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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy, talking about yarding. And you know, one
of the big things that always comes up, always comes
up at a garden talk where you talk about a
lot on our show. That's a major issue pretty much
around the United States. You get out there and you
get that landscape planted and it's looking good, and all
of a sudden the deer come through. And you haven't
(00:58):
seen deer in fifty, you know, fifty years, and all
of a sudden they show up in your yard and
it becomes a solid bull and it's a yeah really
and we all kind of deal with in some level
or another. Well, we're going to talk a little bit
about what you may be able to do to help
eliminate that. But on this I also want to talk
today about something that's affecting deer, that may affect the
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deer that come into your yard and garden, and if
it does, we want to know more about it and
to help us out with this. One is our good friend.
You've heard them on our show many many times, chiming
in on great plants that are out there and of course,
great tips as well. Uh. The company is Kendrick and
O'Dell Landscaping. Their website is Kendrickodell dot com and he
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happens to be Kevin O'Dell. Good morning. Wow, all your
fans are cheering for you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I did people know we're going to be talking about
that today, Roy, I did not.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Many people were. You know, we're big fans of Kevin O'Dell. Geez,
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Sure about that.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm just a planned guy and a person who hunts
and many other.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Things, and that's why you have such an exciting life.
All right, So, first of all, I want to thank
Sarah Cook for hooking this up. That's like your people
conquacting my people, you know, go back and forth, shared share.
Sarah did a very good job, so thank you very
much for doing that. All right, Well, sure you informed
(02:27):
me this past week about a disease that the Ohio
Department Natural Resources are looking for reports if this happens
to be in your particular area. Now we all, I think,
for the most part, as I was saying earlier, deal
with deer of some type passing through or hanging out
in our yards or whatever. It may be, and of
course they we'll talk a little bit more about that
a little bit later on as far as you know,
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preventing damages if we can. But here's a situation where
if deer come into your yard and are acting really unusual,
and I'm sure you're going to tell us what we're
going to be looking for. This is this is a
disease and I guess affects deer but not us humans.
But I guess it's getting serious enough that now the O,
the O d n R wants to know where we're
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seeing this and and of course with a drought situation,
I understand this makes it even worse. First of all,
pronounce what this disease is, because all I can say
is eh.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
D, episodic hemorrhage disease.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Episodic hemorrhage is very very commonly known as EHD. That's
going to be your easiest thing to google or anything
that we speak about today.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I would have. I would have shredded that. I
tried out a million times. There's no way I could
have gotten that one out. So he did a very
good job, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So eh I'm not definitely I'm not really sure of
the ebizotic pronunciation, but.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We'll call it that.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It looks good to me. I think you did a
wonderful job. So EHD in deer first of all, so
that we're not in a panic. It doesn't affect us.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
No, sir, not at all.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And you being you don't want to consume a deer
that is showing signs of it. In typical hunting parlance,
you know, you don't want to see a dead deer,
dead deer on the road that's been hit.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's just common sense, okay. And so if we if
something would happen, like all right, so you're a hunter
and you're up on your tree stand and you have
no idea whether this deer had EHD, and so you
shoot it and you take it home and you address it,
and you know, you put it in the freezer. Can
that affect you by eating that venison?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Not if you kill a healthy deer?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And you can tell it again, as a person who hunts,
you can tell which deer are sick depressed attitude. I
mean you can almost see them walking through the woods
and it's like this deer maybe infect You have any question,
just don't don't harvest it. You'll see the heads down
off and you'll see deer around a lot of water
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or any kind of water because they what they do
is it affects their respiratory system. You'll spight them in
the shade. You'll find them near creeks, even if the
creek is not running. It's a cooler environment that they
don't that they you know, it makes them feel better.
I've seen deer creek bottoms and that's happening a lot
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right now. We have one job site in the eastern
side of town, probably eight to ten acres. We have
found six dead deer on there in the last week.
Really they're all near all near dry creeks.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, sir, wow, So how did the deer get the
EHD well.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
It's a just it's an annual infestation. The deer are
infected by a midge, which is basically a kind of fly,
and you can the eac comes from very very hot,
dry summers and that's one reason they will go to
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water or water area, a water irrigated lawn that's the
case that we've experienced, and woods nearby water. It's up
this year, I mean, because we've had that high dry
summers We've had a lot of rains this spring, especially
in July, and that seems to bring on the hatch
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of you know, their healthy flies basically, and that seems
to bring on the hatch when it gets hotter and drier.
You know, we've had the public reports of dead and
six deer. Now this is just updated five days ago
by the Ohio Department.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of Natural Resources.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Twenty twenty to fifteen hundred cases, twenty twenty three, eighteen cases,
twenty twenty four, two thousand and twenty one hundred. Basically
two thousand and twenty five seven thousand, four hundred and
eighty six. That's almost a four uh four times increase
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from last year.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Very close.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Wow, we've got the hot, We've got the wet, we
have the hot, we have the dry. That's going to
increase the activity of the deer that can transmit it,
and then the flies feeding on that deer can go
to another deer, a healthy deer, and they do all
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the time. They're like any animal, flies following around and
then that that midge bite and will then infect the
healthy deer.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
All right, So that was a lot to say, right,
there wasn't they.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That was I mean that's that's crazy stuff there. I mean,
that's really coming on. Talking with Kevin O'Dell on their websites.
Check it out. It's Kendrick O'Dell dot com and Kevin
of course the true plantsman here in our area, great
landscape designer, landscape installer, plantsman, and he's a hunter as well,
letting us know about a disease that you may see
deer having in your backyard called EHD. And it's something
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if you do want to know about it, this state
wants to know about it. And this isn't more than Ohio, right,
Oh yeah, it's a.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Lot of states, a lot of states, more in the
eastern part of the country. You know, with the common
little deer. Okay, a herd gets big, those herds move
out and expand, which is why we have them in
Ohio such a hard time with them. So that disease
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is also spreading by the numbers of deer in the
population of the deer that we have. The disease correlates
to the bigger population of deer kind of follows it.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Wow, So you know, so with this EHD. So how
all right? So then folks are listening saying, okay, I
understand where it's out there, et cetera, et cetera. How
would I know what do I look for when deer
come into my yard that I may suspect they have EHD?
Besides the fact that they drop dead by my water
pond or my water bath or whatever it may be,
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what other symptoms would I see?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Well, according to the O d n R website, which
is really really good Department of Natural Resources and they
have you can scroll down in the Ohio Department of
Natural Resources EHD. They have a very informal, very good
website on their O d n R e HD. The
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symptoms they vary and usually develop after seven days to exposure.
The deer here disoriented and show little.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Or no fear.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
So, if you have a deer and you've been observing
in your garden, yard, wood space, whatever, if you see
them acting funny, uh, and then you know, if you're
seeing them on a regular basis, like you know, eight hundred,
would you would say, Okay, this year's acting strange. They
might appear fever issue. You're going to see some you know,
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going to water, if you're hunting in a very wet area,
if you have an irrigated lawn, if you have a
small water feature, they're going to go to that and
they're gonna they're going to appear to you that they're sick.
I mean, there's really no question that these these animals
are sick. And then also you know then your neighbors
if they're seeing them, and the community seeing them and
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sending out alerts on it. I just was on the
Indian Hill website earlier. And then they do a great
job of reporting. Yeah, in Newtown does a really good job.
You know, we see these mostly on the east side
of town, the reports of that's also where Better Godell
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does a lot of work. We're around them, and we
had six on the site like that, like I said earlier,
but we've also had them scattered through you know, our
work area parks are a good thing on the east
side mostly right now, right but you know, it's a
disease that can go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's the weather conditions that started.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Sure talking with Kevin O'Dell about this disease. And again
remember you can't get it doesn't affect you, but we
want to know about the deer if they are in
your area have these symptoms, and you can go to
no matter what state you're in. You can go here
to just learn more about it. The ODN are a
high Department of Natural Resources and get the information about
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e h D and learn more about what to look
for in your deer. And if you think you've they've
got it, you need to report it, let them know
about it, and will they do anything about it. They
just basically want to know where you're seeing it, where.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
You're seeing it, just for recording it. See if there's
any real strong movement, which is in Ohio. It shows that.
There's a great map on again the Ohio Department and
Natural Resources site. There's a map on shows you the
number of infections in every different county in Ohio. Basically
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started pretty much on the southwest side of Ohio, migrating
different areas of no infection, areas of reported infection, areas
with mild and all the way to you know, a
lot of it there. It's a great colored map of
the state of Ohio.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
YEP. So learn more about it, what to look for it.
Go to the O D O d n R A
website and you're looking for general information about EHD affecting deer.
We're gonna take a quick break. We come back. We'll
talk to you Kevin and see what he does to
help deer proof. Is there such a thing the landscapes
where there's a lot of deer here in the garden
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Speaker 1 (16:00):
Can you ardening at eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five Special guests this morning Kevin O'Dell. Their
website is Kendrick Odell dot com talking about little disease.
It's affecting a lot of deer in our area, could
be in your state as well. Learn more about it. Uh,
check out our website first and you can go to
your state as well. Od n R the High Department
of Natural Resources and it's called eh D. I'm not
(16:22):
about to pronounce the disease. Kevin did a great job,
but I would rip that to shred. So EHD check
it out, learn more about it now. You know there's
a lot of folks out there, Kevin that we're saying,
I wish this a disease would spread more and more.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Absolutely, I believe it's going to I mean, deer can't breathe.
We're moving into the breeding season and it kind of
that sounds like it's gonna kind of overlap with the EHD.
These images from the that caused the EHD are going
to die after the first trust colder weather. They're not
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as active, and basically they're going to die after the
first frost, so you're not going to have transmission from
dead midges. So that's cooler. But then we also have
the breeding season coming accident. Actually it's getting ready to
start right now, so you're overlapping dead midges dead deer
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breeding season. If the dose aren't there, they can't be bred,
So you're going to have a decline in the deer
population for at least three to four years, maybe five
in some areas where you don't have many deer. So
it is going to be a blessing, and I've explained
that to gardeners. Yes, some people feel sorry for the
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deer because they're dying, but other people are very joyous
about that.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well they can be. I get it, I both I
see both sides there, and I feel bad for them
going through this too. But you know, again, reducing populations
a little bit is a real plus as well. Let
me ask you a question here. If I go into
a break, because we've got about a minute and a
half to go, before we go to the break here,
because I spent too much time talking in the first
break there, can you hang on and when we come back,
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give us one more segment about what you do to
uh to do a more dear proof landscape.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Certainly, but I'm going to say leading into that there
is no dear proof ex well, that's that can cut
down on them and cut down on the use of
these more than desisted.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
That's it. And I think that's my whole lead into
this whole thing before as a little tease, is that
are there really dear proof landscapes? No? Kevin and I
both agree on that. Are there deer proof proof plants
out there? I think Kevin and I both agree on
this one too. Probably not low brows maybe one thing,
but actual deer proof not many on that list anymore.
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So let's take a quick break, all right, and we'll
come back and we're gonna get put Kevin on the
whold again. Go to the website check it out's a
good website, Kendrickodell dot com and learn about more about
his company there. They do a great job of a
well known landscaped division or firm in art particular area.
But he does a lot of landscaping and areas that
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are heavily populated with deer, like Indian Hill and Madeer
and Montgomery places like that heavily populated with deer. So
how do you deal with that? You know, we've got
the repellents, who've got low browse plants. You get to
see the list of deer resistant plants, which I don't
go for anymore. I says, lowbrows are rarely damaged. But
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Kevin's got some great insights on this as well. So
we'll take a break here at the at the bottom
of the hour, and Kevin's gonna go on hold for us,
So state stay with us because I think he's got
some good tips to share with us as far as
this deer thing. And again, learn more about this disease.
Go to the od n r's website, look up EHD
learn more about it. If you're deer in your area
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seem to be exhibiting this disease, let him know. They
want to know. Eight hundred eight two three eight two
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Speaker 1 (21:52):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Special
guest this morning, Kevin O'Dell. He's a true plassman in
our area landscape designer does an excellent job talking about EHD,
a little disease that we're seeing the deer in our
area in other states as well, and what to look
for for that. But the next question is, all right,
so you do a lot of landscaping, Kevin, in heavily
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deer populated areas such as Indian Hill and the surroundings.
But you know a lot of work in situations like that.
How do you approach doing a new landscaping, renovating a
landscape whatever may be, when you know darn well there
are deer lurking everywhere that can't wait to try out
your new landscape design.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Ron, there's a few things you can try. The most
effective one and again, as a person who hunts, we're permitted.
Hunting is a great advantaged disadvantage to the deer because
they can be hunted. If the deer aren't there, they
can't breathe and you know, make a bigger hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
That's you know, that's my little pitch for allowing hunting.
You know, most of the hunts in those areas are
archery only. Most of the time you're in a tree stand,
your arrows are going down. There's a lot of places now,
communities and things that are allowing deer hunting in them.
Always buy our tree. The places you can do do
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this at or a lot of the parks, a lot
of the community areas. Indian Hill has a great hunting program.
It's all by bow. You have to take a task,
be serified, but then know where you're going to be hunting.
But they will also give you permission to.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Hunt on private land.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well you can get permission hunt on privately and all
the time, but the police and will find you up
an area that you can hunt with the land owners agreement.
They call the police. Sean Purdue as an officer there
who was in charge of that program. They're a great guy.
He's going to find place for you to hunt. I
mean there's private homes that don't get asked to hunt on.
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But they know these people and they will work.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Out a deal where you've been hunt sure.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
The other thing you know it's on a oh it
has to be maintained. It's a deer fencing, it's a
plastic fencing. We definitely recommend a six foot high fencing
of a plastic type and then that way the deer
can't get in. It will have to be maintained, especially
in order sits from a limb coming down. Deer will
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crawl underneath it, so you have to make sure there's
no gaps in the deer fencing. When you're crossing a
low spot page, they will crawl, or they will jump
steep slopes. They're not going to jump over because they
don't feel safe jumping from a lower area to a
higher area, the or vice versa. It's a good deterrent
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for them. With a fencing, we use a lot of sprace.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
For the deer. I think, well, let's go back a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I think there's plants that you can plant that are
not deerproof, the deer resistant. There's a great site on
the Ohio website. Again you had to go to Ohio
and they navigate through it, but it tells you some
great information about the deer resistant plants. And Rutgers University's
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wreckers LM dot com.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
They have a very good website.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
In fact, I think it's a little more more correct
than the more exclusive than the Ohio or the Cornell University.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Again that's wreckers. Yeah, we use university. We use the
Rutger one all the time. I mean that, you know.
And again they've addressed that because their categories are rarely damaged,
it starts out at rarely damaged to load a moderate
to extreme damage rather, you know, and again they talk
about the fact that no plants dear proof and deer resistant.
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You know, there are still plants out there the deer
will avoid, but they have those categories which I think
are outstanding.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yes, sir, they are well you know deer and there's
certain conditions. Will eat anything, Yeah, they have to eat
to survive or a room and an animal, I mean
they have to ingest so much food per day. And
the tests have shown that a healthy adult animal needs
to eat seven to nine pounds of foliage a day,
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which is a lot of lettuce, you know, a lot
of foliage. So you know they're gonna eat, they eat,
you know, temperatures there they have to eat every day
of the year or they're going to die and they're
gonna starve to death eventually be slower growing animals to
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reproductive cycle will be lower if they aren't healthy. Deer there,
we have deer in our backyard I live and should
hit and very small little little bit of a.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Hedging in the back connects a lot of the homes
and that we have a deer here.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
You can tell that the dough she has a scar
on her side. She's had two fawns, three fawns and
two fawns this year. That's an explosive deer, you know.
And that's that's in the residential area. So again I
think defencing where it's applicable in small areas, maybe where
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you like a collection of plants that costas. For instance,
we try to keep the the deer resist in plants
in a smaller area, so we can't concentrate the sprays,
the treatment, even the fencing. Sometimes you know, if you
want to plant a hostegard, you definitely have to do something.
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So we start out with the fencing is the best,
and then you're going in a spray.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Now when you're when you're when you're doing that, you know,
and and of course obviously you're looking at low brows
or or you know, what are could you know, tip
should be deer resistant type plants. Obviously there are other
plants that folks want to use. So you know, we say, okay, well,
you know they could they could browse on this, So
we're going to treat with some kind of repellent to
try to keep them moving on. When you're using repellents
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in the landscape, do you do a combination of like
do you go out to the edge of the property
as well as within the property to try to keep
them moving on first of all, and then trying to
treat up closer to where these uh more high brows
plants would be. And how often do you do that?
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Uh here ecally, you know, if the rains will wash
some of this soft So you're really talking if you
want to keep intense control.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Every two weeks you.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Get three days of rain, you better do it right
after it stops raining, after the folding strives well so
it can absorb it. We like one thing about the
deer control. Is there an animal that will pattern again?
They have to eat so much foliage a day. There
we use deer scram which is a dry application. The
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one we're using now is deer stopper. The other one
we'll use that I don't know that uh, that's this
is not my I don't know everything about this, and
I will admit that the deer stripper, that's what our
our garden Tear division really likes using. And then the
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liquid fence.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Is another one, and you want to rotate those.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
You know, if people also hang garlic, there's a little
garbic clips.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
You can buy.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
There's uh, you know, put the old human hair in
a mesh.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Bag and hang.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
It in a bar of Irish spring soap is going
to deter him. But again it's it's the deer population
and the area, and it's also they're going to get
used to everything sooner or later.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So you keep changing it up so they don't get
used to what you're doing out there. I mean, as
a matter of fact, if you checked it with a
lot of these manufacturers of deer repellents, they'll all te
they guarantee to work, but they all tell you is
to mix it up. You know, don't always you know,
if you use liquid fence all the time, they get
they can kind of get used to that. So you know,
deer scram then you mixed up with a little liquid
(30:30):
fence and a little deer stopper repels all whatever, and
you kind of keep, you know, mixing it up so
they have different smells. I think I have found that
that you probably have to be to be more effective
than just stick with one particular type.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yes, are always always switching them up.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
And you know, some of them, like the deer stopper
does not have much.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Of an odor.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
The liquid fences no odor, and then the deer scran
has an odor.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
The other one is bob x yep uh.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
The odor is not good, I'll put it that way.
But again, mixing it up certain areas up close personal
with your home, your living space in that you don't
want to go with one that has a less odor
to it naturally. And then out and then you know,
I call it the back forty. You have plants back
there that you know, maybe you can take.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
A little bit more great And yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
That rotext is it is a a product is called.
And then rosemary oil is also something that will I
think the deer stripper contains rosemary.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah. As a matter of fact, so small. I just
saw deer scraam, and I know Dave Kutabac, who developed
deer scram, has now a liquid deer scram that should
be available for everybody next year, twenty twenty six. And
it's got rosemary in it. I think it's got cinnamon, garlic,
a couple other things as well, So it's an it's
a different formula than like the original deer the granular
(32:03):
deer scram, but it's two different types, and of course
then that's great because you can alternate them back and forth.
So yeah, rosemary seems to always fall into that those
deer repellent categories. They don't don't like that one, and
then sometimes I don't like that one either, all right,
Kevin O'Dell. Always great information. We appreciate it. We always
appreciate when you call in and share information about plants
(32:24):
as well. Uh, we love your knowledge. You do a
great job and appreciate you spending time with us this morning.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I appreciate the time we're on. Again, I'm not the
expert on all this. There's a you know, go to
a rector site or the Ohio State, Ohio Department of
Natural Resource. They're great sources and I think you all
would enjoy those and learn something from.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Them like I did.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
There you go, Kevin O'Dell again. The website is Kendrick
O'Dell dot com have a great weekend, sir, Thank you
all right, take care Kevin O'Dell and we'll take a
quick break we come back. Oh lines are open for you.
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I tell you, it's tough, and there's a bunch of
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Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson again
at toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two fivey five, talking about yarding, talking about deer, talking
about EHD and how it affects deer. We had a
during the break. We had a couple texts and emails
asking can that also be transmitted to dogs or animals
(35:20):
in the yard. No, it's not known to be a
disease that dogs or other domesticated animals can get. It's
basically white tailed deer and a few other ruminant animal animals,
but not humans, not domesticated pets, not in your dog.
So Dave, there you go, always full of great answers.
(35:41):
How about that one talking your yarding at eight hundred
eight too, experts, Yeah, yeah, yeah, eight hundred eight two
three eight two five five Before we talked to went
and talked with Kevin O'Dell. We were talking about going
into the fall season and all the things you should
be doing and not doing. Of course we're talking about
don't do heavy pruning the time of the year. Individual
(36:02):
hand pruning, individual limb you know, removal that all is great,
but really heavy pruning, uh, should not be done on
those trees and at this time of the year. And remember,
if you cut back evergreens really hard in the fall season,
they're going to look like that all winter long. Sometimes
they don't over winter very well. You know, it's not
(36:22):
a good time. So in again, individual branches, a little
tip pruning here and there by hand great, but save
that other pruning for in late winter early spring, and
if it flowers in the springtime, we finish flowering and
then prune it at that time. We also want to
stop heavy fertilizer applications. Now that's for most trees and shrubs.
Now you know, you can still feed the annuals that
(36:43):
are in containers are growing in the ground to keep
them looking good. You can use the roots tumults for
planting new trees and shrubs. If you want to put
a all natural fertilizer sprinkling in the print, you can
do that for the most part. If we're feeding the
evergreens and things like that, we wait till later in
the fall, once they've really started to shut down to
(37:05):
go dormant, and it's usually half the rate application in
late fall forevergreens, So again spring being one of the
best times for doing that. So be cautious about overuse
of fertilizer this year. Dead Heading roses right now, you
don't want to be doing that. You want them to
form those seedheads the sea pops, so leave the seapods,
(37:27):
leave those old flowers on there, and it causes the
plant tells it to shut down quick growing and get
ready for the winter season. The self cleaning roses like knockouts.
A lot of your landscape roses that deadhead themselves and
continue to flower. That's why you see them still flowering
when you get closer to Christmas, because they just keep
(37:47):
dead heading themselves and they keep putting down a little
bit of new growth just enough to send out flowers.
In our area, we've seen knockout roses in flower mid December.
The other problem you get with that sometimes is that
there's still very active, still growing and if all of
a sudden the temperatures just suddenly change, those particular plants
(38:08):
are very susceptible to winter damage because they haven't shut down,
han't hardened off for the winter season. But not much
you can do about that because that's just what they
naturally do. But keep that in mind as well. Perennial wise,
if you've got perennials that have flowers on them that
go to seed, you might want to leave those alone
at this stage and let them go to seed. If
(38:29):
you're dead head, you're not going to have those flowers,
so let those alone. The birds will enjoy those over
the wintertime. And you know, we're looking more and more
at our perennial gardens saying, hey, you know, unless the
plant's diseased hostifolds, you can get rid of and the
old daily fold, you can get rid of it, but
you know, if it's not diseased, do we want to
leave those stems and things like that in the perennial
(38:50):
garden over the winter for wildlife to enjoy, to hibernate,
to hang out in, to overwinter in, and then come
back in the spring late spring as things are starting
to come to life, and then clean it up. That's
a possibility, and we're seeing folks doing that more and more,
so you might want to keep that in mind. Now,
the vegetable garden different story that. You know, when you're done,
(39:13):
you want to clean all that out, get that out
of there, all the old fruits and vegetables out of there.
Add your compost, your manures, soil amendments, have the soil tested,
get ready for next spring. But there's a situation you
want to get all that out of there. You don't
want to leave that in the vegetable garden. But otherwise
in that perennial garden, more and more folks are looking
at the non cleanup just kind of you know, let
(39:35):
everything stay and let mother nature than wildlife enjoy that
over the winter season. The other thing that falls into
that category. And it's very confusing, and I'll be talking
about this more as we go through the fall season.
Is leave the leaves. Well, you can leave the leaves
in the beds, but don't leave the leaves on the lawn.
Don't do that. Mow them, grind them up, put them
(39:58):
back into the turf. But don't leave leaves laying on
your lawn. That does not work. It well, it's one
of the quickest things to smoter out your lawn over
the wintertime. And you've got bare areas in that lawn.
Leave the leaves and the other things, you know, the
beds and all of that. That's great. Round the base
of the tree for maulting, that's great. But don't leave
(40:19):
the leaves in the turf. That is not great. To Dayton, Ohio,
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I am great?
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going to skip a beat here. I mean, Burrow is
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No, you know, but I think I think he's got
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good for you. I appreciate you telling us about that.
We'll look it up. Hey, we'll talk to you next Saturday.
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And he gets to keep everybody going.
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Speaker 2 (43:00):
By the
Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy, talking about yarding. And you know, one
of the big things that always comes up, always comes
up at a garden talk where you talk about a
lot on our show. That's a major issue pretty much
around the United States. You get out there and you
get that landscape planted and it's looking good, and all
of a sudden the deer come through. And you haven't
(00:58):
seen deer in fifty, you know, fifty years, and all
of a sudden they show up in your yard and
it becomes a solid bull and it's a yeah really
and we all kind of deal with in some level
or another. Well, we're going to talk a little bit
about what you may be able to do to help
eliminate that. But on this I also want to talk
today about something that's affecting deer, that may affect the
(01:20):
deer that come into your yard and garden, and if
it does, we want to know more about it and
to help us out with this. One is our good friend.
You've heard them on our show many many times, chiming
in on great plants that are out there and of course,
great tips as well. Uh. The company is Kendrick and
O'Dell Landscaping. Their website is Kendrickodell dot com and he
(01:40):
happens to be Kevin O'Dell. Good morning. Wow, all your
fans are cheering for you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I did people know we're going to be talking about
that today, Roy, I did not.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Many people were. You know, we're big fans of Kevin O'Dell. Geez,
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Sure about that.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm just a planned guy and a person who hunts
and many other.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Things, and that's why you have such an exciting life.
All right, So, first of all, I want to thank
Sarah Cook for hooking this up. That's like your people
conquacting my people, you know, go back and forth, shared share.
Sarah did a very good job, so thank you very
much for doing that. All right, Well, sure you informed
(02:27):
me this past week about a disease that the Ohio
Department Natural Resources are looking for reports if this happens
to be in your particular area. Now we all, I think,
for the most part, as I was saying earlier, deal
with deer of some type passing through or hanging out
in our yards or whatever. It may be, and of
course they we'll talk a little bit more about that
a little bit later on as far as you know,
(02:49):
preventing damages if we can. But here's a situation where
if deer come into your yard and are acting really unusual,
and I'm sure you're going to tell us what we're
going to be looking for. This is this is a
disease and I guess affects deer but not us humans.
But I guess it's getting serious enough that now the O,
the O d n R wants to know where we're
(03:11):
seeing this and and of course with a drought situation,
I understand this makes it even worse. First of all,
pronounce what this disease is, because all I can say
is eh.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
D, episodic hemorrhage disease.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Episodic hemorrhage is very very commonly known as EHD. That's
going to be your easiest thing to google or anything
that we speak about today.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I would have. I would have shredded that. I
tried out a million times. There's no way I could
have gotten that one out. So he did a very
good job, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So eh I'm not definitely I'm not really sure of
the ebizotic pronunciation, but.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We'll call it that.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It looks good to me. I think you did a
wonderful job. So EHD in deer first of all, so
that we're not in a panic. It doesn't affect us.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
No, sir, not at all.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And you being you don't want to consume a deer
that is showing signs of it. In typical hunting parlance,
you know, you don't want to see a dead deer,
dead deer on the road that's been hit.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's just common sense, okay. And so if we if
something would happen, like all right, so you're a hunter
and you're up on your tree stand and you have
no idea whether this deer had EHD, and so you
shoot it and you take it home and you address it,
and you know, you put it in the freezer. Can
that affect you by eating that venison?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Not if you kill a healthy deer?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And you can tell it again, as a person who hunts,
you can tell which deer are sick depressed attitude. I
mean you can almost see them walking through the woods
and it's like this deer maybe infect You have any question,
just don't don't harvest it. You'll see the heads down
off and you'll see deer around a lot of water
(05:10):
or any kind of water because they what they do
is it affects their respiratory system. You'll spight them in
the shade. You'll find them near creeks, even if the
creek is not running. It's a cooler environment that they
don't that they you know, it makes them feel better.
I've seen deer creek bottoms and that's happening a lot
(05:32):
right now. We have one job site in the eastern
side of town, probably eight to ten acres. We have
found six dead deer on there in the last week.
Really they're all near all near dry creeks.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, sir, wow, So how did the deer get the
EHD well.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
It's a just it's an annual infestation. The deer are
infected by a midge, which is basically a kind of fly,
and you can the eac comes from very very hot,
dry summers and that's one reason they will go to
(06:16):
water or water area, a water irrigated lawn that's the
case that we've experienced, and woods nearby water. It's up
this year, I mean, because we've had that high dry
summers We've had a lot of rains this spring, especially
in July, and that seems to bring on the hatch
(06:38):
of you know, their healthy flies basically, and that seems
to bring on the hatch when it gets hotter and drier.
You know, we've had the public reports of dead and
six deer. Now this is just updated five days ago
by the Ohio Department.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of Natural Resources.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Twenty twenty to fifteen hundred cases, twenty twenty three, eighteen cases,
twenty twenty four, two thousand and twenty one hundred. Basically
two thousand and twenty five seven thousand, four hundred and
eighty six. That's almost a four uh four times increase
(07:20):
from last year.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Very close.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Wow, we've got the hot, We've got the wet, we
have the hot, we have the dry. That's going to
increase the activity of the deer that can transmit it,
and then the flies feeding on that deer can go
to another deer, a healthy deer, and they do all
(07:44):
the time. They're like any animal, flies following around and
then that that midge bite and will then infect the
healthy deer.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
All right, So that was a lot to say, right,
there wasn't they.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That was I mean that's that's crazy stuff there. I mean,
that's really coming on. Talking with Kevin O'Dell on their websites.
Check it out. It's Kendrick O'Dell dot com and Kevin
of course the true plantsman here in our area, great
landscape designer, landscape installer, plantsman, and he's a hunter as well,
letting us know about a disease that you may see
deer having in your backyard called EHD. And it's something
(08:19):
if you do want to know about it, this state
wants to know about it. And this isn't more than Ohio, right,
Oh yeah, it's a.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Lot of states, a lot of states, more in the
eastern part of the country. You know, with the common
little deer. Okay, a herd gets big, those herds move
out and expand, which is why we have them in
Ohio such a hard time with them. So that disease
(08:50):
is also spreading by the numbers of deer in the
population of the deer that we have. The disease correlates
to the bigger population of deer kind of follows it.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Wow, So you know, so with this EHD. So how
all right? So then folks are listening saying, okay, I
understand where it's out there, et cetera, et cetera. How
would I know what do I look for when deer
come into my yard that I may suspect they have EHD?
Besides the fact that they drop dead by my water
pond or my water bath or whatever it may be,
(09:24):
what other symptoms would I see?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Well, according to the O d n R website, which
is really really good Department of Natural Resources and they
have you can scroll down in the Ohio Department of
Natural Resources EHD. They have a very informal, very good
website on their O d n R e HD. The
(09:55):
symptoms they vary and usually develop after seven days to exposure.
The deer here disoriented and show little.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Or no fear.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
So, if you have a deer and you've been observing
in your garden, yard, wood space, whatever, if you see
them acting funny, uh, and then you know, if you're
seeing them on a regular basis, like you know, eight hundred,
would you would say, Okay, this year's acting strange. They
might appear fever issue. You're going to see some you know,
(10:31):
going to water, if you're hunting in a very wet area,
if you have an irrigated lawn, if you have a
small water feature, they're going to go to that and
they're gonna they're going to appear to you that they're sick.
I mean, there's really no question that these these animals
are sick. And then also you know then your neighbors
if they're seeing them, and the community seeing them and
(10:53):
sending out alerts on it. I just was on the
Indian Hill website earlier. And then they do a great
job of reporting. Yeah, in Newtown does a really good job.
You know, we see these mostly on the east side
of town, the reports of that's also where Better Godell
(11:16):
does a lot of work. We're around them, and we
had six on the site like that, like I said earlier,
but we've also had them scattered through you know, our
work area parks are a good thing on the east
side mostly right now, right but you know, it's a
disease that can go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's the weather conditions that started.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Sure talking with Kevin O'Dell about this disease. And again
remember you can't get it doesn't affect you, but we
want to know about the deer if they are in
your area have these symptoms, and you can go to
no matter what state you're in. You can go here
to just learn more about it. The ODN are a
high Department of Natural Resources and get the information about
(11:59):
e h D and learn more about what to look
for in your deer. And if you think you've they've
got it, you need to report it, let them know
about it, and will they do anything about it. They
just basically want to know where you're seeing it, where.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
You're seeing it, just for recording it. See if there's
any real strong movement, which is in Ohio. It shows that.
There's a great map on again the Ohio Department and
Natural Resources site. There's a map on shows you the
number of infections in every different county in Ohio. Basically
(12:35):
started pretty much on the southwest side of Ohio, migrating
different areas of no infection, areas of reported infection, areas
with mild and all the way to you know, a
lot of it there. It's a great colored map of
the state of Ohio.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
YEP. So learn more about it, what to look for it.
Go to the O D O d n R A
website and you're looking for general information about EHD affecting deer.
We're gonna take a quick break. We come back. We'll
talk to you Kevin and see what he does to
help deer proof. Is there such a thing the landscapes
where there's a lot of deer here in the garden
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Can you ardening at eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five Special guests this morning Kevin O'Dell. Their
website is Kendrick Odell dot com talking about little disease.
It's affecting a lot of deer in our area, could
be in your state as well. Learn more about it. Uh,
check out our website first and you can go to
your state as well. Od n R the High Department
of Natural Resources and it's called eh D. I'm not
(16:22):
about to pronounce the disease. Kevin did a great job,
but I would rip that to shred. So EHD check
it out, learn more about it now. You know there's
a lot of folks out there, Kevin that we're saying,
I wish this a disease would spread more and more.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Absolutely, I believe it's going to I mean, deer can't breathe.
We're moving into the breeding season and it kind of
that sounds like it's gonna kind of overlap with the EHD.
These images from the that caused the EHD are going
to die after the first trust colder weather. They're not
(17:01):
as active, and basically they're going to die after the
first frost, so you're not going to have transmission from
dead midges. So that's cooler. But then we also have
the breeding season coming accident. Actually it's getting ready to
start right now, so you're overlapping dead midges dead deer
(17:21):
breeding season. If the dose aren't there, they can't be bred,
So you're going to have a decline in the deer
population for at least three to four years, maybe five
in some areas where you don't have many deer. So
it is going to be a blessing, and I've explained
that to gardeners. Yes, some people feel sorry for the
(17:45):
deer because they're dying, but other people are very joyous
about that.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well they can be. I get it, I both I
see both sides there, and I feel bad for them
going through this too. But you know, again, reducing populations
a little bit is a real plus as well. Let
me ask you a question here. If I go into
a break, because we've got about a minute and a
half to go, before we go to the break here,
because I spent too much time talking in the first
break there, can you hang on and when we come back,
(18:12):
give us one more segment about what you do to
uh to do a more dear proof landscape.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Certainly, but I'm going to say leading into that there
is no dear proof ex well, that's that can cut
down on them and cut down on the use of
these more than desisted.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
That's it. And I think that's my whole lead into
this whole thing before as a little tease, is that
are there really dear proof landscapes? No? Kevin and I
both agree on that. Are there deer proof proof plants
out there? I think Kevin and I both agree on
this one too. Probably not low brows maybe one thing,
but actual deer proof not many on that list anymore.
(18:55):
So let's take a quick break, all right, and we'll
come back and we're gonna get put Kevin on the
whold again. Go to the website check it out's a
good website, Kendrickodell dot com and learn about more about
his company there. They do a great job of a
well known landscaped division or firm in art particular area.
But he does a lot of landscaping and areas that
(19:16):
are heavily populated with deer, like Indian Hill and Madeer
and Montgomery places like that heavily populated with deer. So
how do you deal with that? You know, we've got
the repellents, who've got low browse plants. You get to
see the list of deer resistant plants, which I don't
go for anymore. I says, lowbrows are rarely damaged. But
(19:36):
Kevin's got some great insights on this as well. So
we'll take a break here at the at the bottom
of the hour, and Kevin's gonna go on hold for us,
So state stay with us because I think he's got
some good tips to share with us as far as
this deer thing. And again, learn more about this disease.
Go to the od n r's website, look up EHD
learn more about it. If you're deer in your area
(19:57):
seem to be exhibiting this disease, let him know. They
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Speaker 1 (21:52):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Special
guest this morning, Kevin O'Dell. He's a true plassman in
our area landscape designer does an excellent job talking about EHD,
a little disease that we're seeing the deer in our
area in other states as well, and what to look
for for that. But the next question is, all right,
so you do a lot of landscaping, Kevin, in heavily
(22:14):
deer populated areas such as Indian Hill and the surroundings.
But you know a lot of work in situations like that.
How do you approach doing a new landscaping, renovating a
landscape whatever may be, when you know darn well there
are deer lurking everywhere that can't wait to try out
your new landscape design.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Ron, there's a few things you can try. The most
effective one and again, as a person who hunts, we're permitted.
Hunting is a great advantaged disadvantage to the deer because
they can be hunted. If the deer aren't there, they
can't breathe and you know, make a bigger hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
That's you know, that's my little pitch for allowing hunting.
You know, most of the hunts in those areas are
archery only. Most of the time you're in a tree stand,
your arrows are going down. There's a lot of places now,
communities and things that are allowing deer hunting in them.
Always buy our tree. The places you can do do
(23:21):
this at or a lot of the parks, a lot
of the community areas. Indian Hill has a great hunting program.
It's all by bow. You have to take a task,
be serified, but then know where you're going to be hunting.
But they will also give you permission to.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Hunt on private land.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well you can get permission hunt on privately and all
the time, but the police and will find you up
an area that you can hunt with the land owners agreement.
They call the police. Sean Purdue as an officer there
who was in charge of that program. They're a great guy.
He's going to find place for you to hunt. I
mean there's private homes that don't get asked to hunt on.
(24:07):
But they know these people and they will work.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Out a deal where you've been hunt sure.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
The other thing you know it's on a oh it
has to be maintained. It's a deer fencing, it's a
plastic fencing. We definitely recommend a six foot high fencing
of a plastic type and then that way the deer
can't get in. It will have to be maintained, especially
in order sits from a limb coming down. Deer will
(24:35):
crawl underneath it, so you have to make sure there's
no gaps in the deer fencing. When you're crossing a
low spot page, they will crawl, or they will jump
steep slopes. They're not going to jump over because they
don't feel safe jumping from a lower area to a
higher area, the or vice versa. It's a good deterrent
(24:55):
for them. With a fencing, we use a lot of sprace.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
For the deer. I think, well, let's go back a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I think there's plants that you can plant that are
not deerproof, the deer resistant. There's a great site on
the Ohio website. Again you had to go to Ohio
and they navigate through it, but it tells you some
great information about the deer resistant plants. And Rutgers University's
(25:25):
wreckers LM dot com.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
They have a very good website.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
In fact, I think it's a little more more correct
than the more exclusive than the Ohio or the Cornell University.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Again that's wreckers. Yeah, we use university. We use the
Rutger one all the time. I mean that, you know.
And again they've addressed that because their categories are rarely damaged,
it starts out at rarely damaged to load a moderate
to extreme damage rather, you know, and again they talk
about the fact that no plants dear proof and deer resistant.
(26:02):
You know, there are still plants out there the deer
will avoid, but they have those categories which I think
are outstanding.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yes, sir, they are well you know deer and there's
certain conditions. Will eat anything, Yeah, they have to eat
to survive or a room and an animal, I mean
they have to ingest so much food per day. And
the tests have shown that a healthy adult animal needs
to eat seven to nine pounds of foliage a day,
(26:31):
which is a lot of lettuce, you know, a lot
of foliage. So you know they're gonna eat, they eat,
you know, temperatures there they have to eat every day
of the year or they're going to die and they're
gonna starve to death eventually be slower growing animals to
(26:52):
reproductive cycle will be lower if they aren't healthy. Deer there,
we have deer in our backyard I live and should
hit and very small little little bit of a.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Hedging in the back connects a lot of the homes
and that we have a deer here.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
You can tell that the dough she has a scar
on her side. She's had two fawns, three fawns and
two fawns this year. That's an explosive deer, you know.
And that's that's in the residential area. So again I
think defencing where it's applicable in small areas, maybe where
(27:32):
you like a collection of plants that costas. For instance,
we try to keep the the deer resist in plants
in a smaller area, so we can't concentrate the sprays,
the treatment, even the fencing. Sometimes you know, if you
want to plant a hostegard, you definitely have to do something.
(27:56):
So we start out with the fencing is the best,
and then you're going in a spray.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Now when you're when you're when you're doing that, you know,
and and of course obviously you're looking at low brows
or or you know, what are could you know, tip
should be deer resistant type plants. Obviously there are other
plants that folks want to use. So you know, we say, okay, well,
you know they could they could browse on this, So
we're going to treat with some kind of repellent to
try to keep them moving on. When you're using repellents
(28:24):
in the landscape, do you do a combination of like
do you go out to the edge of the property
as well as within the property to try to keep
them moving on first of all, and then trying to
treat up closer to where these uh more high brows
plants would be. And how often do you do that?
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Uh here ecally, you know, if the rains will wash
some of this soft So you're really talking if you
want to keep intense control.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Every two weeks you.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Get three days of rain, you better do it right
after it stops raining, after the folding strives well so
it can absorb it. We like one thing about the
deer control. Is there an animal that will pattern again?
They have to eat so much foliage a day. There
we use deer scram which is a dry application. The
(29:17):
one we're using now is deer stopper. The other one
we'll use that I don't know that uh, that's this
is not my I don't know everything about this, and
I will admit that the deer stripper, that's what our
our garden Tear division really likes using. And then the
(29:40):
liquid fence.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Is another one, and you want to rotate those.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
You know, if people also hang garlic, there's a little
garbic clips.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
You can buy.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
There's uh, you know, put the old human hair in
a mesh.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Bag and hang.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
It in a bar of Irish spring soap is going
to deter him. But again it's it's the deer population
and the area, and it's also they're going to get
used to everything sooner or later.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So you keep changing it up so they don't get
used to what you're doing out there. I mean, as
a matter of fact, if you checked it with a
lot of these manufacturers of deer repellents, they'll all te
they guarantee to work, but they all tell you is
to mix it up. You know, don't always you know,
if you use liquid fence all the time, they get
they can kind of get used to that. So you know,
deer scram then you mixed up with a little liquid
(30:30):
fence and a little deer stopper repels all whatever, and
you kind of keep, you know, mixing it up so
they have different smells. I think I have found that
that you probably have to be to be more effective
than just stick with one particular type.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yes, are always always switching them up.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
And you know, some of them, like the deer stopper
does not have much.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Of an odor.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
The liquid fences no odor, and then the deer scran
has an odor.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
The other one is bob x yep uh.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
The odor is not good, I'll put it that way.
But again, mixing it up certain areas up close personal
with your home, your living space in that you don't
want to go with one that has a less odor
to it naturally. And then out and then you know,
I call it the back forty. You have plants back
there that you know, maybe you can take.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
A little bit more great And yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
That rotext is it is a a product is called.
And then rosemary oil is also something that will I
think the deer stripper contains rosemary.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah. As a matter of fact, so small. I just
saw deer scraam, and I know Dave Kutabac, who developed
deer scram, has now a liquid deer scram that should
be available for everybody next year, twenty twenty six. And
it's got rosemary in it. I think it's got cinnamon, garlic,
a couple other things as well, So it's an it's
a different formula than like the original deer the granular
(32:03):
deer scram, but it's two different types, and of course
then that's great because you can alternate them back and forth.
So yeah, rosemary seems to always fall into that those
deer repellent categories. They don't don't like that one, and
then sometimes I don't like that one either, all right,
Kevin O'Dell. Always great information. We appreciate it. We always
appreciate when you call in and share information about plants
(32:24):
as well. Uh, we love your knowledge. You do a
great job and appreciate you spending time with us this morning.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I appreciate the time we're on. Again, I'm not the
expert on all this. There's a you know, go to
a rector site or the Ohio State, Ohio Department of
Natural Resource. They're great sources and I think you all
would enjoy those and learn something from.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Them like I did.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
There you go, Kevin O'Dell again. The website is Kendrick
O'Dell dot com have a great weekend, sir, Thank you
all right, take care Kevin O'Dell and we'll take a
quick break we come back. Oh lines are open for you.
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Speaker 1 (35:00):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson again
at toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two fivey five, talking about yarding, talking about deer, talking
about EHD and how it affects deer. We had a
during the break. We had a couple texts and emails
asking can that also be transmitted to dogs or animals
(35:20):
in the yard. No, it's not known to be a
disease that dogs or other domesticated animals can get. It's
basically white tailed deer and a few other ruminant animal animals,
but not humans, not domesticated pets, not in your dog.
So Dave, there you go, always full of great answers.
(35:41):
How about that one talking your yarding at eight hundred
eight too, experts, Yeah, yeah, yeah, eight hundred eight two
three eight two five five Before we talked to went
and talked with Kevin O'Dell. We were talking about going
into the fall season and all the things you should
be doing and not doing. Of course we're talking about
don't do heavy pruning the time of the year. Individual
(36:02):
hand pruning, individual limb you know, removal that all is great,
but really heavy pruning, uh, should not be done on
those trees and at this time of the year. And remember,
if you cut back evergreens really hard in the fall season,
they're going to look like that all winter long. Sometimes
they don't over winter very well. You know, it's not
(36:22):
a good time. So in again, individual branches, a little
tip pruning here and there by hand great, but save
that other pruning for in late winter early spring, and
if it flowers in the springtime, we finish flowering and
then prune it at that time. We also want to
stop heavy fertilizer applications. Now that's for most trees and shrubs.
Now you know, you can still feed the annuals that
(36:43):
are in containers are growing in the ground to keep
them looking good. You can use the roots tumults for
planting new trees and shrubs. If you want to put
a all natural fertilizer sprinkling in the print, you can
do that for the most part. If we're feeding the
evergreens and things like that, we wait till later in
the fall, once they've really started to shut down to
(37:05):
go dormant, and it's usually half the rate application in
late fall forevergreens, So again spring being one of the
best times for doing that. So be cautious about overuse
of fertilizer this year. Dead Heading roses right now, you
don't want to be doing that. You want them to
form those seedheads the sea pops, so leave the seapods,
(37:27):
leave those old flowers on there, and it causes the
plant tells it to shut down quick growing and get
ready for the winter season. The self cleaning roses like knockouts.
A lot of your landscape roses that deadhead themselves and
continue to flower. That's why you see them still flowering
when you get closer to Christmas, because they just keep
(37:47):
dead heading themselves and they keep putting down a little
bit of new growth just enough to send out flowers.
In our area, we've seen knockout roses in flower mid December.
The other problem you get with that sometimes is that
there's still very active, still growing and if all of
a sudden the temperatures just suddenly change, those particular plants
(38:08):
are very susceptible to winter damage because they haven't shut down,
han't hardened off for the winter season. But not much
you can do about that because that's just what they
naturally do. But keep that in mind as well. Perennial wise,
if you've got perennials that have flowers on them that
go to seed, you might want to leave those alone
at this stage and let them go to seed. If
(38:29):
you're dead head, you're not going to have those flowers,
so let those alone. The birds will enjoy those over
the wintertime. And you know, we're looking more and more
at our perennial gardens saying, hey, you know, unless the
plant's diseased hostifolds, you can get rid of and the
old daily fold, you can get rid of it, but
you know, if it's not diseased, do we want to
leave those stems and things like that in the perennial
(38:50):
garden over the winter for wildlife to enjoy, to hibernate,
to hang out in, to overwinter in, and then come
back in the spring late spring as things are starting
to come to life, and then clean it up. That's
a possibility, and we're seeing folks doing that more and more,
so you might want to keep that in mind. Now,
the vegetable garden different story that. You know, when you're done,
(39:13):
you want to clean all that out, get that out
of there, all the old fruits and vegetables out of there.
Add your compost, your manures, soil amendments, have the soil tested,
get ready for next spring. But there's a situation you
want to get all that out of there. You don't
want to leave that in the vegetable garden. But otherwise
in that perennial garden, more and more folks are looking
at the non cleanup just kind of you know, let
(39:35):
everything stay and let mother nature than wildlife enjoy that
over the winter season. The other thing that falls into
that category. And it's very confusing, and I'll be talking
about this more as we go through the fall season.
Is leave the leaves. Well, you can leave the leaves
in the beds, but don't leave the leaves on the lawn.
Don't do that. Mow them, grind them up, put them
(39:58):
back into the turf. But don't leave leaves laying on
your lawn. That does not work. It well, it's one
of the quickest things to smoter out your lawn over
the wintertime. And you've got bare areas in that lawn.
Leave the leaves and the other things, you know, the
beds and all of that. That's great. Round the base
of the tree for maulting, that's great. But don't leave
(40:19):
the leaves in the turf. That is not great. To Dayton, Ohio,
we go Dick coome.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
On a.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
Well, good morning, Ron. How are you?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I am great?
Speaker 8 (40:29):
And you oh pretty good?
Speaker 7 (40:32):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (40:32):
You know what what I had just come from? Oh?
I was coming from Bible study. There. My friends take
me every you know, every Sunday, and I got to
watch the third and vourth Coder. I'm telling you, Browning
did one heck of a job, didn't he He did
a great job.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
He's one of those quiet quarterbacks. You know, he's his
style is very similar to mister Burrow, but you know,
he's pretty good. I don't think. I don't think we're
going to skip a beat here. I mean, Burrow is
a great quarterback, there's no doubt.
Speaker 8 (41:04):
But I don't want to did like Joe Burrow going down.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
No, you know, but I think I think he's got
a good backup here.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
I do too, Will we do? I would just yeah, Hey,
I just wanted to tell you the latest. Guess what what.
I'm good. I came over here. Heather had a talent
show and if you and Danny look on Stony Ridge
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(41:36):
from Dayton places Mandolin at the talent show. I mean
the banjo I played excellent.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
We will look we will look at that up. Yeah,
good for you. I appreciate you telling us about that.
We'll look it up. Hey, we'll talk to you next Saturday.
Speaker 8 (41:50):
Okay, have a good day.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Always a pleasure, Always a pleasure. See you. Dick good
talking with him and the guys having fun in his
new assistant living area. I'm glad he's adjusted to it
and Bible study, and they're doing some container gardening next spring.
And he gets to keep everybody going.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Wet just to play.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
The plays music, plays music for everybody. Great thing for Dick,
and we're happy for him. All right, quick break, we
come back. Well, we've got phone lines open for you.
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You might want to check that out. We got your
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