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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Eight hundred eight two three eight two five five. Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I am Ron.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Wilson, your personal yard boy. We're talking about yarding and
of course moving into the fall season. So many great
things you can be doing this time of the year.
It is a great time for planting. It is the
time for planting spring flowering balls. As we were talking
with Peggy and Montgomery and I, do you know in
our areas we're his zone sit you know, get yourself,
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you know, to get to your independent garden centers within
the next three or four weeks. You'll get your best
selection of the bulbs that are there. And you know,
if you're looking for things that are specific. And I
would hold off on planting until the temperature is really
cool down. I don't I don't do anything until mid
to late October, early November. I just you know, we
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plan them too early. Sometimes they start to pop up,
you get nervous about they they're gonna shrink back down,
They're gonna hang in there. But uh, you know, planning
it too early sometimes that can happen. So get your selections,
get everything planned out how you're going to plant, and
then do that mid to late October early November. I
think is great and you can do it right for us.
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I have no problems recommending folks planning spring flowering bulbs
into December with no problem. Done it for years and
it still works quite nicely. And by the way, as
we talk, before you get into the holidays, if garden
centers have a few left over, they usually put them
on sale and you can scarf those up and plant
them even if you don't need any in the yard
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and garden. Buy a few extra pots six eight inch
pots and plant them up in pots, over winter them
in an unheated garage or unheated shed so that they
get that cold temperature for about six to eight ten
weeks or more that they'll get they'll think we were
planted outside. That's what helps the set up for them
to flour, and then in the springtime they'll start to grow.
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You bring them out water and feed them a little
bit and enjoy that color in those containers. Then you
can take that out and plant it later on and
have those come back year after a year four you
so keep that in mind. Please, by the way, if
you're at your locally owned independent garden center looking for
all those fall planting annuals, garden moms, asters, cabbage and
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kale and all that. Buy some cabbage and kale. I'm
telling you, it's the most underrated, longest lasting fall color
you can get. Now. Pansy will hang in there, but
you know, and they'll come through the winter sometimes for
you as well. But cabbages and kale, ornamental cabbages and
kale just gets better as it gets colder. So you
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just plant those and just watch them change colors. They
are absolutely gorgeous by the time you get to Christmas.
Some of those colors are spectacular. Keep ornamental cabbages and
kale in mine. There's some new varieties out there that
just get redder and more pink and more purple or
whatever it may be. And end containers or in the ground,
doesn't matter, keep them water. You're good to go. But
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I think that's one it's just way underused and should
be used a lot more. If you're buying garden mums
and you're looking to have color last year through October,
make sure your mums that you're buying are green, budded,
or just cracking to show a little bit of color
all right, so that they'll last longer for you. If
the color is already out and they're showing may only
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last two or three more weeks. And that's okay. If
you're having a party, your need earlier color. But if
you're looking for extended color, green bud or just to
crack to show that as well and vegetable wise right now,
I bought you. I was at it get some solid,
solid greens and stuff at the produce place the other
day and I noticed they have a micro green. I
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love microgreens, and they have microgreens in these sleeves. You know,
it's like a four x six pack, about a half
an inch thick and not very many greens in there.
It's good for one salad maybe two six bucks. You
can do that yourself. It's so easy to grow microgreens
all the time in your house. And you know, once
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you get rotations going of these microgreens, you got them
going all the time. It is so easy to do
and you can do it at any level. It's crazy.
I've got a couple of great tip sheets that our
southern gardener Gary Bachman put together when he was working
with Mississippi State, and they are outstanding and it works,
walks you right through it, go to Johnny's Seeds. Johnny
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Seeds Catalog's a great, great catalog. They have the the
largest selection of microgreen seeds that I have ever seen.
I had. There have plants in there that I had
no idea you could grow as a microgreen, all different flavors,
and you know a lot of folks forget about cilantro,
you can use that as a microgreen. I love radishes,
the broccoli, all they're just there's so sunflowers, there's so
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many things you can use, and they're so easy to do.
And you know what, I was thinking this the other day.
Once you, if you start doing this whatever level you
want to get at for growing microgreens, and once you
once you, I think, once you start eating them. You
you want them to add to your salad all the time,
or put them on pizza. Oh, put them on pizza.
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Get your pizza and sprinkle some of those on top
of some fresh greens. Absolutely outstanding on pizza. But anyway,
rather than spending that six bucks where those little packages
of plastic sleeves of greens, grow your own. But if
you get into it really well, and you get you
know your co workers and they like greens, well, next
thing you know you're kind of harvesting and bagging up
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if you here and there, and the next thing you know,
you're selling I started to say nickel bags, but now
you're selling a five dollars bag of greens to your coworkers.
Maybe you know you can support your own habit of
growing greens for your salads and to put on your
pizza or whatever by selling some fresh greens to your
coworkers as well. What the heck? But it's so easy
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to do. And I looked at that price and it
just went wow, crazy, and I bought one because I
needed it, but because I didn't have any right now.
But yeah, I would look at that and again you
can get it to it at any level. Same thing
when it looks at the vegetables for right now in
our area we are growing like at our nursery, we're
doing these twelve and fourteen inch bowl planters and doing radishes,
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French breakfast radishes are great in there, doing radishes, doing
white turnips. You can eat the folds, you can eat
the turnip down below, bakchoi, mixed greens, lettuce, spinach. We
got a whole bunch of stuff that we're doing it
and it's so easy to do. And I think once
people come into the garden center and they see that
and they realize how easy that stuff is to do,
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and it all loves cool weather, you should be doing
it too. You get set up a nice little table
on the patio and have about six of these bowls
or something. You don't need very deep, all right, all
the stuff we're growing, you only need about six inches
of depth. But the width is what's important. She can
set up whatever you want, but on a table, so
it's easy to pick and easy to take care of
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and grow these things right on through October with no
problem and into November depending on the weather, and maybe
even longer after Thanksgiving. But you can be doing a
bock joy and all of this stuff for you know.
It's it's great, So you know, keep that in mind, please,
And again a lot of garden centers will be doing
that that time of the year so or this time
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of the year, so check it out. But there's still
time to do that, so you know, keep that in mind. Anyway,
say and get out to your local garden centers because
they are stocked and they are ready to go. Great
for planting. And by the way, now is a great
time for planting trees. You know, the best time to
plant a tree twenty to twenty five years ago. Second
best time right now. But here's something that Ron roths
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I've kind of said a couple of years ago, and
I wrote this down, kind of rewrote it, but I
give him the credit for it. But you know, I said,
you know, the second best time is right now, But
no time is the best time if you're planting the
wrong tree in the wrong location, the wrong way, with
the wrong care. So and I totally agree. And you know,
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I've always said plant a tree or two or three,
And I saw somewhere it said, you know, plant and
grow a tree or two or three rather than just
plant it. Make sure we're doing the right thing to
make them grow as well. So do your homework again.
If you need trees to add to your landscape or
wherever you're planting trees, make sure it's the right tree
for the right location, all right. And when it's all
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said and done, tree trunk protector for the deer. And
show me the root flare. Make sure that rootflair is
at the top of the soil. Quick break, we come back,
we'll have a little home improvement with the birthday boy.
Mister Gary Sullivan here in the garden with Ron Wilson help.
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Speaker 1 (11:38):
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. Don't
forget our website, it's rights at online dot com. Now
time for little home improvement from the man, the myth,
the legend. He is the most listen to home improvement
show host in the entire world. Ladies and gentlemen, it
happens to be with us his website, garysolvent Online dot com,
a one the only Gary Soy.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Mister Wilson, how the world are you go?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Go go go Gary. It's your birthday. We're going to
party like it's your birthday. We're gonna sip the CARDI
like it's your birthday. We know you're getting old because
it's your birthday.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I know you were a fifty cent fan, so I
thought I would. You're going to serenade me, serenade you
there a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Very nice, very nice, very nice. Oh gosh, another birthday.
Heading to Indianapolis after today's show. Oh you are yeah,
going to to do it best hard work show. Oh cool,
looking forward to that. You know how those shows are?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Oh yeah, friend, a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Oh jeez, I'm gonna really take this too far now.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Oh really, I tell you, I thought my rendition from
fifty cent was better.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I'm good with all of them.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
There you go, because.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
That days are you know, they are medals of honor.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's that is exactly right, badges of courage. Bag. Yeah.
So are you going to get out and plant missus
sullivon some spring flowering bulbs this fall?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
You know?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I haven't got that on my list, but thanks? Okay,
this is the time, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Well? I forgot about that in October? Late October? By him?
Now plan it later.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah. I didn't even get my cabbage in. I did
get a couple of moms, but I didn't get them
soup g on them. We I don't know if she
even got perennials or annuals.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Do you want me to drop off some You can
always drop powering cabbage and kale? Oh sure, you promise
your planet though?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Okay, yeah, all right, tell the security guard I may
be doing that.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Okay, that sounds great.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Let me in the front. Let me in the front gate.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I think somebody drove through it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
No, oh no, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh golly.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So how did your vegetable garden wind up this year?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
It was like no work at all, one of the
best ever.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Huh it was. It's like no work at all. It
was great.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Do you have a favorite produce, stan, I do, okay
that your garden?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, it seems like tomatoes were plentiful.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You know what's funny is I I think I've all
over the board, is what it boiled down to. I
had some rain, huh. Yeah. That so many people had said,
oh my god, I had a horrible crop this year,
and a whole bunch of people said I was one
of the best crops we ever had. So it just
depends on where you were, what you planted, the type
you had, you know, all that plays into it. But
somehow we always wind up with a nice supply.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, even like last night, we were supposed to have
rain and rain in the morning. I don't think it
ever rain did.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I don't think so?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, I don't either. Still chance this morning, but temperature's fine. Yeah,
no excuses not getting some work done around the home.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Huh uh, well, yeah, there's lots of excuses.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Minds, I won't be here, you won't be there.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
By the way, don't forget to wave when you go
past the Greensburg exit.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Okay, the Homer running.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The home of Ron Wilson, right.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
There, you go. Well, I'll tell you what I do.
Look forward to the shows. Just like you when you
go to different gardening shows. You just see people. It's
like having your past right there today, you know, all
generations at this point.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yep. So that's what that's what I always like. You know,
I have talked about this before, so I always liked
about the back in the summertime when he used to
do that the McCormick Center and they had the oh yeah,
Garden Center hardware show. Yeah, and nobody was selling you
anything at the hardware show. Really, it was all the
prototypes and all the new things that were coming along, right,
and just showing you, yeah, you know, you're not trying
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to you can't buy anything here, but we just want
to show you in some of the coolest stuff that
was not even available yet.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I'm looking forward to it. I've been getting all kinds
of you know, emails about new products and stuff. By gosh,
by the time I started writing down the ones I
wanted to see, it's like, well, I don't have enough
time to do that in today's or day and a half,
So now I gotta thin it down a little bit.
(16:06):
It is cool seeing all the different products there.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Now does missus Salvin go to this.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
No, no, no, she's got a grand kid's birthday. She's
gonna bring my cardboard cut out with her.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
How many of those you still have?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I just have one, I told her, I said, put
it in the trunk. Stand me in the corner.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Is that where the hands sticking out like you're asking
for money?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
No, it's like I'm reaching out to help.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Asking for asking for money.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That's what it looked like.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You got a mean gene today.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So when is our buddy Tye whatever his name was.
Is he still doing all that?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I see him show up with a new show every.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Now, Yeah he does. Yeah, gosh, I can't think of
his last name either.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Huh yeah? Was he doing a cooking show?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
He may have got somebody would just ty Pennington Pennington.
I told the story in Vegas when one of the
shows we would go out and having an adult beverage
after the show, and he was a rock star. I'm
telling you what. He's a great guy, and he's got
his brain is moving about eighty five miles an hour
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or maybe per second all day long. He'll wear you out.
After an hour, you're like, oh gosh, this guy's exhausting me.
But such a good guy. And you're right. I saw
him pop up. He had another show. I think he's
down in Florida. He built a very nice house in Jupiter, Florida,
and I assume he still has it. And I assume
he's still knocking around in different shows. And I'm sure
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when one ends and another one starts, it doesn't phase
him at all. He's just one of those guys. He
got no worries.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I didn't know if he did the home improvement shows
like that.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, he had that American was a home makeover, big show,
trade show that you're going. I haven't seen him in
a trade show probably in about six years, but I
haven't even been to that, and he with COVID and
all that, it's been slower. I'm just kind of getting
back in the swing of things because I really miss him.
It's a great opportunity to really find out what's coming
to market, and there's a lot of new things. You know,
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when a lot of these companies were kind of down
and a little slower, I feel like the research and
development had increased dramatically. And so we'll see, we'll see.
I'm sure I have plenty of ideas to keep everybody.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Going to say you always stay stay abreast of all
the good new stuff that's coming along. Which, by the way,
you only got about a minute and a half to go,
but you I heard you talking about a new decking
product that doesn't conduct the.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Heat rest sun moisture shield, moisture shield, moisture shields. It
used to be a smaller family owned company. It's now
owned by Old Castle, and they introduced that, I think
this year earlier this year. It reduces the decking temperature
something like thirty forty percent. And they hit a little display,
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you know, with different manufacturers, and of course they're decking
in heat long lamps over them, and man, you can
put your hand on them, and you know, some of
those decks really get hot. And it wasn't hard to
identify which one the moisture shield was because it was
just like air temperature a little warmer in air temperature.
So this is an extra tender.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
This is a replacement for the wood decking.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well yeah, and you know a lot of people are
choosing compositely composite, yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little
bit more expensive but have some benefits. But some of
those deckings that are capped. We had a place down
on summer vacation. It was about ten steps and the
kids couldn't even walk up the steps without shoes on.
I mean it was hot, hot.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And burn your feet and you probably got tired of
carrying them all up and down the steps.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Not this boy.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Happy birthday, mister Sullivan. Thank you, Ron, have a great
time at your show. Thank you all right, good talking
with you. Gary Sullivan's website, Garysullivan online dot com. Coming
up next, Buggy Joe Bogs. Here in the Garden.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
With Ron Wilson, not gardening questions.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
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Speaker 1 (21:50):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Don't
forget our website. It's Ron Wilson online dot com Facebook
page in the garden with Ron Wilson as well. I
want to thank Rita Hikenfeld for joining us this morning
about eating dot com and Peggy an Montgomery and that
would be Flowerball dot e U. Now it is time,
ladies and gentlemen, for the Buggy Joe Boggs report. That
would be Joe Boggs is just a professor commercial for
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Joe bog.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I'm sorry I dozed off there for a second I
heard crickets. I had for second I heard crickets.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I had a cup. I had a cup of Buggy
Joe Boggs last Sunday.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
What No, there's not what mafras somebody's opened a MafA
coffee place.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well I was. I had just made myself a fresh
cup of coffee, and in it I poured.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Chocolate.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
There you go, Buffalo Trace Bourbon cream.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, I was. I was gonna ask what time to day?
That's that's.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
A little chocolate. I said, this is a buggy joe
right here there you go.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
That's you know, it's I'm drinking it right now with
no moths inside. Don't smooth it out, you know, no moths.
But yeah, it's a It just takes the edge off,
doesn't it. I mean, and you can adjust. You can
have the chocolate there enough to taste it, or you
can kind of add it to sort of make it
a subtle taste. There you go. It takes a little
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bit of an edge off.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Very strong coffee black, maybe touch of creepy, you know,
but pretty good. I could barely taste it in the background,
and so yeah, it was good.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Well there's there's a well roasted or toasted that. Yeah, yes,
that was. I caught that thing with Gary is that
the is that that you stand up but you have
your hand out like you're asking for money.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
That was he did has a series of cardboard cutouts
that they use it the you know, like the Home
and Garden Show and stuff like that, and what looks
like he's got his hand out like he's reaching for money.
And I always said, you know, just put that up
front and he can sign a T shirt and put
the money right there in Gary's hand.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
That's it, That's exactly right, a little collection pot. You know,
you could put the money right in there. Boy this
you know, I don't know how to segue from this.
I mean, I just I'm got to go somewhere. You know,
this is the time of year when on one hand,
things are winding down, right. I mean, there's a lot
of insects that are a lot of Well, we came across,
(24:58):
for example, at the Ohio doc Agnostic Workshop. My voice
sounds maybe a little lower because I think I'm a
little hoarse, you know, talking very loud. Oh yes, well I'm.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
A little pony.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
This morning we were ponying up the trees and things
to look at stuff. And so for example, we came
across a tussock moth caterpillar, a pale and that's just
a pale pla, a pale tusic moth caterpillar that was
just about to spin up its cocoon to few pay.
(25:33):
And that's happening a lot right now. Not with me.
I mean, I'm not ready a few pay quite yet.
But this is a time of year when a number
of different you know, caterpillars, a number of different moths
and butterflies, you know, start that process and it may
seem a bit early because after all, you know, one
thing about one thing about our changing climate is we
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always did have warm temperatures in September and October. We're
at Ohio one point south right, and then you would
always have the so called Indian summer, you know, where
it get cold and it get warm again. But you know,
there's still plenty of time for something that eats leaves
to make a living out there, right. But you know,
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some of these and sects, whether or not that they
they developed this because they were once you know, positioned
further north, and they take a key from light, not temperature.
And you know, think about that. If you're something that
does something because of what we call, you know, day length,
that's then different. And that's what we're seeing right now
(26:38):
was something shutting down, whereas other things are still much
and along we came across quite a bit of damage
by lace bugs. And you and I really haven't talked
much about lacebugs this season, but I have to say
they they are behaving in their normal sneaky manner. You know,
they start off. So what we're talking about, I.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Always have to go if you go back to Buggy
Joe Boggs last week when you said, what am I
talking hearing about? That was on my list, Because all
of a sudden people start to notice that.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
It is it's and I start, I mean, it's very interesting.
For example, I'm starting to really see and I'm going
to use the term and this is a descriptive term.
We call it stipling, and the name comes from the
way that artists used to well still do you know
you can just take a take a pen or even
(27:29):
a pencil and just tap it very lightly to create,
you know, a picture. It's also called pointialism, but the
other name is stippling. And so little tiny, little, tiny
yellow dots if you look very closely, little tiny yellow dots.
Well that's because lace bugs have what we call piercing
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sucking mouth parts. They pierce the surface of the leaf
and then just like a soda straw, then they suck
out contents of the of the cells. So individually they
create these little yellow dots called as I said, simply,
But of course, then if you get a lot of
those they do something we call coalesce. They get together
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and they start getting a large area that is maybe
yellow at first, and then starts turning bronze because the
collective impact of those cells being destroyed causes them to
turn brown but any rate. So it's just it's interesting.
I've been watching, for example, some burroaks that are developing
(28:32):
a gall that we might talk about next week. I
may do a posting that people then can look at
the pictures called rough oak bullet gall. You know, it's
one of my favorites, right, But watching these galls develop,
they're kind of a late season gall on the stem
of the trees. I started noticing the same oaks, the
leaves are just getting more and more yellow. And I
(28:55):
saw this a month or so ago, maybe a little longer,
but oh yeah, that's that's that's oak lacebug. And you know,
just kind of passed it off right, right, But at
the end of the day, now it is it is
very apparent apparent some of those leaves are yellow. Of course,
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the good news about that is that this is a
time of year, you know, when trees are pretty well
finished with their leaves. I hate to say it that way.
They could use their leaves all the way up till
they drop them, but they becamulate enough carbohydrate to support
next year's growth, so we don't worry so much about
heavy leaf damage this time of the year. But it's
(29:36):
certainly noticeable.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I've getting I'm getting a lot of reports from what
I'm seeing is on is the lacebug is on azaleas? Yeah,
and that landscape and you know, because now all of
a sudden, they're realizing that these leaves, all of a sudden,
aren't the nice green that they used to be.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
And that is yeah, and that's a real problem because
you step back, you know, oaks they're going to drop
their leaves right right, So if you have alia lacebugs on,
if you have oak left bugs that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
If you have on your azaleas, yeah, you're in a
different You're you're you're on Mars.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
That's a different world.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
But yeah, oh there you go, there you go, just
just run up those hot steps you know that are
made out of wood, right, But I.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Heard that that was kind of interesting. But if you
have a lace bugs, you have of course an evergreen
plant and that means, of course those leaves are going
to be there all through the winter, so they can
overwinter as eggs on the leaves, and then when those
when spring rolls around, those eggs hatch and immediately the
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immature lace bugs that we call nymphs start feeding and
producing damage well on oaks and on other maples and
so forth. Sycamore lacebug, those those those lacebugs can't overwinter
on the leaves. They overwinter as adults hidden on the
bark someplace. And there's a lot less of them than
(31:10):
all the eggs that are produced by isaiah or rhoded
inner lace bugs. It's the same lacebug, but two different
common names. So the point being, the bad thing about
isaiah lace bugs is they start early and they just
keep chugging along until you have, you know, totally yellow azaleas.
And of course if it gets bad enough, they lose
(31:32):
their leaves. But if it doesn't get too bad, you
just have yellow leaves until the normal time when they
when they lose their older leaves. So it's it's it's
a little bit more of a problem than with something
like oak lacebug. And I have a feeling we must
be right up right quick.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Quick question with the late azalea rhode in or lacebug.
Am I mistaken? Did I read this right. They do
They lay the eggs like up in the leaf itself. Yeah,
they actually so it's hard to yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, which means you can't really apply. That's a good question.
You can't then apply. And you know there are some insecticides,
I mean soaps and oils, horticultural oil and in sex
lot of soap, so they can kill eggs if you
can expose, you know, if you can get the whole
egg covered. But in this case, no, that's a very
good question. You can't do anything about the eggs. You
(32:28):
did not read that wrong, Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Just making sure, Buggy Joe Bob, just take a break.
We'll come back. We'll do a part two of the
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Speaker 1 (34:36):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for Part two of the Buggy Joe Boggs Report. Buggy
Joe Boggs O Sue Extension website uh B y g
L dot O s U dot EU. By the way,
I know you were concerned, but I did hear from
Harold this week?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Oh yeah, I was wondering.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Oh gosh, Wednesday they let him out of the nervous hospital.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Yeah, and uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
He's your roommate, was Carl Chilters, by the way, so
kind of interesting. Uh, by the way, what is the
point What is the point of stippling?
Speaker 5 (35:12):
What is the point of stipling?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
That's a joke, get it?
Speaker 5 (35:17):
I like that. I like that. No, No, I got
quiet because I'm writing that down. I wish I thought
about that yesterday. Yeah, well, you know, we have to
do it. What a wonderful weekend last weekend except for
Corey Errold. I understand that. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I want them to do well, and you know, we
don't want to got to keep them in the mix.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
I do, I do. But boy, that was a tough
one because you know, Florida State, what a history. You know,
it's it's uh and they've been I mean last year,
you know, it was a fiasco and and here you know,
they come out of the doors not given any chance, right,
I mean, no chance whatsoever. So so that was that
was a tough one.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
But he mailed me a picture Bear Bryant and a
pen that said roll tide. Oh he did.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Actually, I don't know anyway, but it was a good
it was a good weekend, and the weather was fantastic.
You know, we we've gone through just what I call
all the almost southern California weather for quite some time, haven't.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It's been outstanding? You know you were talking about the
caterpillars and all, and you know what, I have not
gotten any reports of this fall so far. And usually
get four or five of them that people finding this
huge caterpillar on their their plump something like that, and
(36:45):
I have gotten zero reports of that. Now see I'm
saying that, so hopefully next week I'll get a bazillion
of them. It's acropia moth, I haven't. I have gotten none.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
That's that is That's so for the listeners. What what
Ron and I are kind of speaking shorthand about, you know,
because we I know, on this program run so often,
Well we talk like we're talking on the phone. Yes,
I mean, that's what's to me. That's what's what's so
fun about this Is it just like you and I
have a phone call, except sometimes does he eased to
(37:19):
forget There's a lot of people listening and thinking, wait
a second, what did you just say such a cropia?
Did he just or did or did he cough? I
I'm not too sure what was that. But we're talking
about a group of maths called silkworm giant silkworm maus
and they are they that includes it includes some of
the most beautiful maths. That family, by the way, includes
(37:41):
some of the most beautiful maths that we we have
things like like Luna MAVs and then Socropia and these
are named for the genus Socropia polypemous uh just big mas. Well,
many years ago, there was a fly introduced and this
one is the only challenge, but there was a fly
(38:01):
introduced to manage is a parasitoid fly that used to
suppress what we used to call gypsy moth, and of
course now we call spongy moth, which is a horrible
defoliator of primarily oaks and of course some other hardwood trees.
So unbeknownst and my wife is talking about this, you
know that it's a two edged sword when it can
(38:22):
be a two edged sword. You know, when you introduce
a predator or a parasitoid that's not natives to suppress
a no native pess two EDGs because unless there's a
lot of research done to make sure it doesn't go
after something else it can be a problem. Well, there
(38:44):
was a time when there's a lot less research on that.
Now there's a lot more. But at that time, unbeknownst
to the folks that were doing their releases, these flies,
which they had a common name of friendly fly, that
was an effort to to kind of get past the
idea they fly, or they would fly around your face
(39:05):
a lot, right, But unbeknownst to everyone, uh, those flies
also parasitized the silkworm moths, the giant silkworm moth caterpillars.
So it is one reason, and I have to be fair,
it's one of possibly several reasons that we start seeing
(39:27):
the populations go down. I mean, my ives grown up,
lunar MAVs were you know, we're pretty common. You'd often
see them at night, you know, flying around you know,
street lights. And of course I said that very purposefully
because you know, some of the folks out they're going
to say, well, wait a second, Joe, what about you know,
the added amount of light at night. And that's certainly
(39:48):
something else that can confuse these moths and can help
to lead for to having a problem. But back to
what you're saying, Ron, even with that happening, and I
don't want to leave this with people saying Joe said,
we're going to lose all these They came back. The
giant silkworm caterpillars they they and moths they came back.
(40:11):
I mean we started seeing a lot more at this
time of the year, either the big caterpillars I mean,
you know, four inches long easily, you know, or we
would see the cocoons. They would you know, they make
a really nice big cocoon that you know, covered in
(40:31):
in silk, and that's why they're called giant silkworm moths.
But you're right, Ron, I have not. I would. I
used to get at least three or four sometimes I'd
even drive out to take pictures, you know, the caterpillars.
So we have just done a very good favor to
everyone that now we have restored the population by talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
What we haven't seen. You know, it's funny now most
folks are in a panting because they send you a
picture and they're like, oh, my guys, I just went
out of my ornamental tree and it's got this huge
and it's and it's like, how many do you see.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
One that's yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Just leave alone, let it do its thing, and then
you send them a picture of what it could be
and they're like, oh, never mind.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
It is true. It is well, they are just you know,
they're they're so they're so startling, you know, these big caterpillars.
And I will say that that, oh, this was probably
twenty years ago. My wife and I were I'm trying
to think of the town that we were at a
ice cream place, you know when you know the old
(41:39):
you know ice cream, you know places that you can
do you're outside, like the cone, you know what the
conan I'm referencing. Yeah, anyway, so when we're there and
there was a very small tree that had quite a
few of these caterpillars, which really surprised me. And they
were kind of startling, I mean for sure, but they
(42:01):
were they really weren't done any major dammage. But we'll
talk more about this next week when we start getting
the phone calls about them, right.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I hope. So, Buggy Joe Boks always a pleasure. I
tell Gummer Pond. We said heloon and go Bucks.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
I go Bucks. You think care of right?
Speaker 1 (42:16):
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See ya is your garden growing call Ron now at
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Eight hundred eight two three eight two five five. Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I am Ron.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Wilson, your personal yard boy. We're talking about yarding and
of course moving into the fall season. So many great
things you can be doing this time of the year.
It is a great time for planting. It is the
time for planting spring flowering balls. As we were talking
with Peggy and Montgomery and I, do you know in
our areas we're his zone sit you know, get yourself,
(01:02):
you know, to get to your independent garden centers within
the next three or four weeks. You'll get your best
selection of the bulbs that are there. And you know,
if you're looking for things that are specific. And I
would hold off on planting until the temperature is really
cool down. I don't I don't do anything until mid
to late October, early November. I just you know, we
(01:23):
plan them too early. Sometimes they start to pop up,
you get nervous about they they're gonna shrink back down,
They're gonna hang in there. But uh, you know, planning
it too early sometimes that can happen. So get your selections,
get everything planned out how you're going to plant, and
then do that mid to late October early November. I
think is great and you can do it right for us.
(01:45):
I have no problems recommending folks planning spring flowering bulbs
into December with no problem. Done it for years and
it still works quite nicely. And by the way, as
we talk, before you get into the holidays, if garden
centers have a few left over, they usually put them
on sale and you can scarf those up and plant
them even if you don't need any in the yard
(02:05):
and garden. Buy a few extra pots six eight inch
pots and plant them up in pots, over winter them
in an unheated garage or unheated shed so that they
get that cold temperature for about six to eight ten
weeks or more that they'll get they'll think we were
planted outside. That's what helps the set up for them
to flour, and then in the springtime they'll start to grow.
(02:27):
You bring them out water and feed them a little
bit and enjoy that color in those containers. Then you
can take that out and plant it later on and
have those come back year after a year four you
so keep that in mind. Please, by the way, if
you're at your locally owned independent garden center looking for
all those fall planting annuals, garden moms, asters, cabbage and
(02:48):
kale and all that. Buy some cabbage and kale. I'm
telling you, it's the most underrated, longest lasting fall color
you can get. Now. Pansy will hang in there, but
you know, and they'll come through the winter sometimes for
you as well. But cabbages and kale, ornamental cabbages and
kale just gets better as it gets colder. So you
(03:09):
just plant those and just watch them change colors. They
are absolutely gorgeous by the time you get to Christmas.
Some of those colors are spectacular. Keep ornamental cabbages and
kale in mine. There's some new varieties out there that
just get redder and more pink and more purple or
whatever it may be. And end containers or in the ground,
doesn't matter, keep them water. You're good to go. But
(03:31):
I think that's one it's just way underused and should
be used a lot more. If you're buying garden mums
and you're looking to have color last year through October,
make sure your mums that you're buying are green, budded,
or just cracking to show a little bit of color
all right, so that they'll last longer for you. If
the color is already out and they're showing may only
(03:51):
last two or three more weeks. And that's okay. If
you're having a party, your need earlier color. But if
you're looking for extended color, green bud or just to
crack to show that as well and vegetable wise right now,
I bought you. I was at it get some solid,
solid greens and stuff at the produce place the other
day and I noticed they have a micro green. I
(04:13):
love microgreens, and they have microgreens in these sleeves. You know,
it's like a four x six pack, about a half
an inch thick and not very many greens in there.
It's good for one salad maybe two six bucks. You
can do that yourself. It's so easy to grow microgreens
all the time in your house. And you know, once
(04:33):
you get rotations going of these microgreens, you got them
going all the time. It is so easy to do
and you can do it at any level. It's crazy.
I've got a couple of great tip sheets that our
southern gardener Gary Bachman put together when he was working
with Mississippi State, and they are outstanding and it works,
walks you right through it, go to Johnny's Seeds. Johnny
(04:56):
Seeds Catalog's a great, great catalog. They have the the
largest selection of microgreen seeds that I have ever seen.
I had. There have plants in there that I had
no idea you could grow as a microgreen, all different flavors,
and you know a lot of folks forget about cilantro,
you can use that as a microgreen. I love radishes,
the broccoli, all they're just there's so sunflowers, there's so
(05:18):
many things you can use, and they're so easy to do.
And you know what, I was thinking this the other day.
Once you, if you start doing this whatever level you
want to get at for growing microgreens, and once you
once you, I think, once you start eating them. You
you want them to add to your salad all the time,
or put them on pizza. Oh, put them on pizza.
(05:38):
Get your pizza and sprinkle some of those on top
of some fresh greens. Absolutely outstanding on pizza. But anyway,
rather than spending that six bucks where those little packages
of plastic sleeves of greens, grow your own. But if
you get into it really well, and you get you
know your co workers and they like greens, well, next
thing you know you're kind of harvesting and bagging up
(05:58):
if you here and there, and the next thing you know,
you're selling I started to say nickel bags, but now
you're selling a five dollars bag of greens to your coworkers.
Maybe you know you can support your own habit of
growing greens for your salads and to put on your
pizza or whatever by selling some fresh greens to your
coworkers as well. What the heck? But it's so easy
(06:20):
to do. And I looked at that price and it
just went wow, crazy, and I bought one because I
needed it, but because I didn't have any right now.
But yeah, I would look at that and again you
can get it to it at any level. Same thing
when it looks at the vegetables for right now in
our area we are growing like at our nursery, we're
doing these twelve and fourteen inch bowl planters and doing radishes,
(06:44):
French breakfast radishes are great in there, doing radishes, doing
white turnips. You can eat the folds, you can eat
the turnip down below, bakchoi, mixed greens, lettuce, spinach. We
got a whole bunch of stuff that we're doing it
and it's so easy to do. And I think once
people come into the garden center and they see that
and they realize how easy that stuff is to do,
(07:06):
and it all loves cool weather, you should be doing
it too. You get set up a nice little table
on the patio and have about six of these bowls
or something. You don't need very deep, all right, all
the stuff we're growing, you only need about six inches
of depth. But the width is what's important. She can
set up whatever you want, but on a table, so
it's easy to pick and easy to take care of
(07:27):
and grow these things right on through October with no
problem and into November depending on the weather, and maybe
even longer after Thanksgiving. But you can be doing a
bock joy and all of this stuff for you know.
It's it's great, So you know, keep that in mind, please,
And again a lot of garden centers will be doing
that that time of the year so or this time
(07:50):
of the year, so check it out. But there's still
time to do that, so you know, keep that in mind. Anyway,
say and get out to your local garden centers because
they are stocked and they are ready to go. Great
for planting. And by the way, now is a great
time for planting trees. You know, the best time to
plant a tree twenty to twenty five years ago. Second
best time right now. But here's something that Ron roths
(08:12):
I've kind of said a couple of years ago, and
I wrote this down, kind of rewrote it, but I
give him the credit for it. But you know, I said,
you know, the second best time is right now, But
no time is the best time if you're planting the
wrong tree in the wrong location, the wrong way, with
the wrong care. So and I totally agree. And you know,
(08:34):
I've always said plant a tree or two or three,
And I saw somewhere it said, you know, plant and
grow a tree or two or three rather than just
plant it. Make sure we're doing the right thing to
make them grow as well. So do your homework again.
If you need trees to add to your landscape or
wherever you're planting trees, make sure it's the right tree
for the right location, all right. And when it's all
(08:57):
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at the top of the soil. Quick break, we come back,
we'll have a little home improvement with the birthday boy.
Mister Gary Sullivan here in the garden with Ron Wilson help.
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Oh yeah, friend, a lot of fun.
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Speaker 2 (12:49):
That days are you know, they are medals of honor.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's that is exactly right, badges of courage. Bag. Yeah.
So are you going to get out and plant missus
sullivon some spring flowering bulbs this fall?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
You know?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I haven't got that on my list, but thanks? Okay,
this is the time, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Well? I forgot about that in October? Late October? By him?
Now plan it later.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah. I didn't even get my cabbage in. I did
get a couple of moms, but I didn't get them
soup g on them. We I don't know if she
even got perennials or annuals.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Do you want me to drop off some You can
always drop powering cabbage and kale? Oh sure, you promise
your planet though?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Okay, yeah, all right, tell the security guard I may
be doing that.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Okay, that sounds great.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Let me in the front. Let me in the front gate.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I think somebody drove through it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
No, oh no, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh golly.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So how did your vegetable garden wind up this year?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
It was like no work at all, one of the
best ever.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Huh it was. It's like no work at all. It
was great.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Do you have a favorite produce, stan, I do, okay
that your garden?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, it seems like tomatoes were plentiful.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You know what's funny is I I think I've all
over the board, is what it boiled down to. I
had some rain, huh. Yeah. That so many people had said,
oh my god, I had a horrible crop this year,
and a whole bunch of people said I was one
of the best crops we ever had. So it just
depends on where you were, what you planted, the type
you had, you know, all that plays into it. But
somehow we always wind up with a nice supply.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, even like last night, we were supposed to have
rain and rain in the morning. I don't think it
ever rain did.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I don't think so?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, I don't either. Still chance this morning, but temperature's fine. Yeah,
no excuses not getting some work done around the home.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Huh uh, well, yeah, there's lots of excuses.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Minds, I won't be here, you won't be there.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
By the way, don't forget to wave when you go
past the Greensburg exit.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Okay, the Homer running.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The home of Ron Wilson, right.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
There, you go. Well, I'll tell you what I do.
Look forward to the shows. Just like you when you
go to different gardening shows. You just see people. It's
like having your past right there today, you know, all
generations at this point.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yep. So that's what that's what I always like. You know,
I have talked about this before, so I always liked
about the back in the summertime when he used to
do that the McCormick Center and they had the oh yeah,
Garden Center hardware show. Yeah, and nobody was selling you
anything at the hardware show. Really, it was all the
prototypes and all the new things that were coming along, right,
and just showing you, yeah, you know, you're not trying
(15:38):
to you can't buy anything here, but we just want
to show you in some of the coolest stuff that
was not even available yet.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I'm looking forward to it. I've been getting all kinds
of you know, emails about new products and stuff. By gosh,
by the time I started writing down the ones I
wanted to see, it's like, well, I don't have enough
time to do that in today's or day and a half,
So now I gotta thin it down a little bit.
(16:06):
It is cool seeing all the different products there.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Now does missus Salvin go to this.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
No, no, no, she's got a grand kid's birthday. She's
gonna bring my cardboard cut out with her.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
How many of those you still have?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I just have one, I told her, I said, put
it in the trunk. Stand me in the corner.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Is that where the hands sticking out like you're asking
for money?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
No, it's like I'm reaching out to help.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Asking for asking for money.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That's what it looked like.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You got a mean gene today.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So when is our buddy Tye whatever his name was.
Is he still doing all that?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I see him show up with a new show every.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Now, Yeah he does. Yeah, gosh, I can't think of
his last name either.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Huh yeah? Was he doing a cooking show?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
He may have got somebody would just ty Pennington Pennington.
I told the story in Vegas when one of the
shows we would go out and having an adult beverage
after the show, and he was a rock star. I'm
telling you what. He's a great guy, and he's got
his brain is moving about eighty five miles an hour
(17:14):
or maybe per second all day long. He'll wear you out.
After an hour, you're like, oh gosh, this guy's exhausting me.
But such a good guy. And you're right. I saw
him pop up. He had another show. I think he's
down in Florida. He built a very nice house in Jupiter, Florida,
and I assume he still has it. And I assume
he's still knocking around in different shows. And I'm sure
(17:37):
when one ends and another one starts, it doesn't phase
him at all. He's just one of those guys. He
got no worries.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I didn't know if he did the home improvement shows
like that.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, he had that American was a home makeover, big show,
trade show that you're going. I haven't seen him in
a trade show probably in about six years, but I
haven't even been to that, and he with COVID and
all that, it's been slower. I'm just kind of getting
back in the swing of things because I really miss him.
It's a great opportunity to really find out what's coming
to market, and there's a lot of new things. You know,
(18:11):
when a lot of these companies were kind of down
and a little slower, I feel like the research and
development had increased dramatically. And so we'll see, we'll see.
I'm sure I have plenty of ideas to keep everybody.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Going to say you always stay stay abreast of all
the good new stuff that's coming along. Which, by the way,
you only got about a minute and a half to go,
but you I heard you talking about a new decking
product that doesn't conduct the.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Heat rest sun moisture shield, moisture shield, moisture shields. It
used to be a smaller family owned company. It's now
owned by Old Castle, and they introduced that, I think
this year earlier this year. It reduces the decking temperature
something like thirty forty percent. And they hit a little display,
(18:57):
you know, with different manufacturers, and of course they're decking
in heat long lamps over them, and man, you can
put your hand on them, and you know, some of
those decks really get hot. And it wasn't hard to
identify which one the moisture shield was because it was
just like air temperature a little warmer in air temperature.
So this is an extra tender.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
This is a replacement for the wood decking.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well yeah, and you know a lot of people are
choosing compositely composite, yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little
bit more expensive but have some benefits. But some of
those deckings that are capped. We had a place down
on summer vacation. It was about ten steps and the
kids couldn't even walk up the steps without shoes on.
I mean it was hot, hot.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And burn your feet and you probably got tired of
carrying them all up and down the steps.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Not this boy.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Happy birthday, mister Sullivan. Thank you, Ron, have a great
time at your show. Thank you all right, good talking
with you. Gary Sullivan's website, Garysullivan online dot com. Coming
up next, Buggy Joe Bogs. Here in the Garden.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
With Ron Wilson, not gardening questions.
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Speaker 1 (21:50):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Don't
forget our website. It's Ron Wilson online dot com Facebook
page in the garden with Ron Wilson as well. I
want to thank Rita Hikenfeld for joining us this morning
about eating dot com and Peggy an Montgomery and that
would be Flowerball dot e U. Now it is time,
ladies and gentlemen, for the Buggy Joe Boggs report. That
would be Joe Boggs is just a professor commercial for
(22:11):
did Ter Video House, State University Extension Ocean Department of Entomology,
post a boy for a issue extension co creator matha
coffee and for him his website byg L dot OSU
dot edu. Ladies and gentlemen, mister Cummon saysco himself. Buggy
Joe bog.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I'm sorry I dozed off there for a second I
heard crickets. I had for second I heard crickets.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I had a cup. I had a cup of Buggy
Joe Boggs last Sunday.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
What No, there's not what mafras somebody's opened a MafA
coffee place.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well I was. I had just made myself a fresh
cup of coffee, and in it I poured.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Chocolate.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
There you go, Buffalo Trace Bourbon cream.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, I was. I was gonna ask what time to day?
That's that's.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
A little chocolate. I said, this is a buggy joe
right here there you go.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
That's you know, it's I'm drinking it right now with
no moths inside. Don't smooth it out, you know, no moths.
But yeah, it's a It just takes the edge off,
doesn't it. I mean, and you can adjust. You can
have the chocolate there enough to taste it, or you
can kind of add it to sort of make it
a subtle taste. There you go. It takes a little
(23:43):
bit of an edge off.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Very strong coffee black, maybe touch of creepy, you know,
but pretty good. I could barely taste it in the background,
and so yeah, it was good.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Well there's there's a well roasted or toasted that. Yeah, yes,
that was. I caught that thing with Gary is that
the is that that you stand up but you have
your hand out like you're asking for money.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
That was he did has a series of cardboard cutouts
that they use it the you know, like the Home
and Garden Show and stuff like that, and what looks
like he's got his hand out like he's reaching for money.
And I always said, you know, just put that up
front and he can sign a T shirt and put
the money right there in Gary's hand.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
That's it, That's exactly right, a little collection pot. You know,
you could put the money right in there. Boy this
you know, I don't know how to segue from this.
I mean, I just I'm got to go somewhere. You know,
this is the time of year when on one hand,
things are winding down, right. I mean, there's a lot
of insects that are a lot of Well, we came across,
(24:58):
for example, at the Ohio doc Agnostic Workshop. My voice
sounds maybe a little lower because I think I'm a
little hoarse, you know, talking very loud. Oh yes, well I'm.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
A little pony.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
This morning we were ponying up the trees and things
to look at stuff. And so for example, we came
across a tussock moth caterpillar, a pale and that's just
a pale pla, a pale tusic moth caterpillar that was
just about to spin up its cocoon to few pay.
(25:33):
And that's happening a lot right now. Not with me.
I mean, I'm not ready a few pay quite yet.
But this is a time of year when a number
of different you know, caterpillars, a number of different moths
and butterflies, you know, start that process and it may
seem a bit early because after all, you know, one
thing about one thing about our changing climate is we
(25:55):
always did have warm temperatures in September and October. We're
at Ohio one point south right, and then you would
always have the so called Indian summer, you know, where
it get cold and it get warm again. But you know,
there's still plenty of time for something that eats leaves
to make a living out there, right. But you know,
(26:16):
some of these and sects, whether or not that they
they developed this because they were once you know, positioned
further north, and they take a key from light, not temperature.
And you know, think about that. If you're something that
does something because of what we call, you know, day length,
that's then different. And that's what we're seeing right now
(26:38):
was something shutting down, whereas other things are still much
and along we came across quite a bit of damage
by lace bugs. And you and I really haven't talked
much about lacebugs this season, but I have to say
they they are behaving in their normal sneaky manner. You know,
they start off. So what we're talking about, I.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Always have to go if you go back to Buggy
Joe Boggs last week when you said, what am I
talking hearing about? That was on my list, Because all
of a sudden people start to notice that.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
It is it's and I start, I mean, it's very interesting.
For example, I'm starting to really see and I'm going
to use the term and this is a descriptive term.
We call it stipling, and the name comes from the
way that artists used to well still do you know
you can just take a take a pen or even
(27:29):
a pencil and just tap it very lightly to create,
you know, a picture. It's also called pointialism, but the
other name is stippling. And so little tiny, little, tiny
yellow dots if you look very closely, little tiny yellow dots.
Well that's because lace bugs have what we call piercing
(27:50):
sucking mouth parts. They pierce the surface of the leaf
and then just like a soda straw, then they suck
out contents of the of the cells. So individually they
create these little yellow dots called as I said, simply,
But of course, then if you get a lot of
those they do something we call coalesce. They get together
(28:11):
and they start getting a large area that is maybe
yellow at first, and then starts turning bronze because the
collective impact of those cells being destroyed causes them to
turn brown but any rate. So it's just it's interesting.
I've been watching, for example, some burroaks that are developing
(28:32):
a gall that we might talk about next week. I
may do a posting that people then can look at
the pictures called rough oak bullet gall. You know, it's
one of my favorites, right, But watching these galls develop,
they're kind of a late season gall on the stem
of the trees. I started noticing the same oaks, the
leaves are just getting more and more yellow. And I
(28:55):
saw this a month or so ago, maybe a little longer,
but oh yeah, that's that's that's oak lacebug. And you know,
just kind of passed it off right, right, But at
the end of the day, now it is it is
very apparent apparent some of those leaves are yellow. Of course,
(29:15):
the good news about that is that this is a
time of year, you know, when trees are pretty well
finished with their leaves. I hate to say it that way.
They could use their leaves all the way up till
they drop them, but they becamulate enough carbohydrate to support
next year's growth, so we don't worry so much about
heavy leaf damage this time of the year. But it's
(29:36):
certainly noticeable.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I've getting I'm getting a lot of reports from what
I'm seeing is on is the lacebug is on azaleas? Yeah,
and that landscape and you know, because now all of
a sudden, they're realizing that these leaves, all of a sudden,
aren't the nice green that they used to be.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
And that is yeah, and that's a real problem because
you step back, you know, oaks they're going to drop
their leaves right right, So if you have alia lacebugs on,
if you have oak left bugs that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
If you have on your azaleas, yeah, you're in a
different You're you're you're on Mars.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
That's a different world.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
But yeah, oh there you go, there you go, just
just run up those hot steps you know that are
made out of wood, right, But I.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Heard that that was kind of interesting. But if you
have a lace bugs, you have of course an evergreen
plant and that means, of course those leaves are going
to be there all through the winter, so they can
overwinter as eggs on the leaves, and then when those
when spring rolls around, those eggs hatch and immediately the
(30:48):
immature lace bugs that we call nymphs start feeding and
producing damage well on oaks and on other maples and
so forth. Sycamore lacebug, those those those lacebugs can't overwinter
on the leaves. They overwinter as adults hidden on the
bark someplace. And there's a lot less of them than
(31:10):
all the eggs that are produced by isaiah or rhoded
inner lace bugs. It's the same lacebug, but two different
common names. So the point being, the bad thing about
isaiah lace bugs is they start early and they just
keep chugging along until you have, you know, totally yellow azaleas.
And of course if it gets bad enough, they lose
(31:32):
their leaves. But if it doesn't get too bad, you
just have yellow leaves until the normal time when they
when they lose their older leaves. So it's it's it's
a little bit more of a problem than with something
like oak lacebug. And I have a feeling we must
be right up right quick.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Quick question with the late azalea rhode in or lacebug.
Am I mistaken? Did I read this right. They do
They lay the eggs like up in the leaf itself. Yeah,
they actually so it's hard to yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, which means you can't really apply. That's a good question.
You can't then apply. And you know there are some insecticides,
I mean soaps and oils, horticultural oil and in sex
lot of soap, so they can kill eggs if you
can expose, you know, if you can get the whole
egg covered. But in this case, no, that's a very
good question. You can't do anything about the eggs. You
(32:28):
did not read that wrong, Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Just making sure, Buggy Joe Bob, just take a break.
We'll come back. We'll do a part two of the
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Speaker 1 (34:36):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for Part two of the Buggy Joe Boggs Report. Buggy
Joe Boggs O Sue Extension website uh B y g
L dot O s U dot EU. By the way,
I know you were concerned, but I did hear from
Harold this week?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Oh yeah, I was wondering.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Oh gosh, Wednesday they let him out of the nervous hospital.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Yeah, and uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
He's your roommate, was Carl Chilters, by the way, so
kind of interesting. Uh, by the way, what is the
point What is the point of stippling?
Speaker 5 (35:12):
What is the point of stipling?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
That's a joke, get it?
Speaker 5 (35:17):
I like that. I like that. No, No, I got
quiet because I'm writing that down. I wish I thought
about that yesterday. Yeah, well, you know, we have to
do it. What a wonderful weekend last weekend except for
Corey Errold. I understand that. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I want them to do well, and you know, we
don't want to got to keep them in the mix.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
I do, I do. But boy, that was a tough
one because you know, Florida State, what a history. You know,
it's it's uh and they've been I mean last year,
you know, it was a fiasco and and here you know,
they come out of the doors not given any chance, right,
I mean, no chance whatsoever. So so that was that
was a tough one.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
But he mailed me a picture Bear Bryant and a
pen that said roll tide. Oh he did.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Actually, I don't know anyway, but it was a good
it was a good weekend, and the weather was fantastic.
You know, we we've gone through just what I call
all the almost southern California weather for quite some time, haven't.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It's been outstanding? You know you were talking about the
caterpillars and all, and you know what, I have not
gotten any reports of this fall so far. And usually
get four or five of them that people finding this
huge caterpillar on their their plump something like that, and
(36:45):
I have gotten zero reports of that. Now see I'm
saying that, so hopefully next week I'll get a bazillion
of them. It's acropia moth, I haven't. I have gotten none.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
That's that is That's so for the listeners. What what
Ron and I are kind of speaking shorthand about, you know,
because we I know, on this program run so often,
Well we talk like we're talking on the phone. Yes,
I mean, that's what's to me. That's what's what's so
fun about this Is it just like you and I
have a phone call, except sometimes does he eased to
(37:19):
forget There's a lot of people listening and thinking, wait
a second, what did you just say such a cropia?
Did he just or did or did he cough? I
I'm not too sure what was that. But we're talking
about a group of maths called silkworm giant silkworm maus
and they are they that includes it includes some of
the most beautiful maths. That family, by the way, includes
(37:41):
some of the most beautiful maths that we we have
things like like Luna MAVs and then Socropia and these
are named for the genus Socropia polypemous uh just big mas. Well,
many years ago, there was a fly introduced and this
one is the only challenge, but there was a fly
(38:01):
introduced to manage is a parasitoid fly that used to
suppress what we used to call gypsy moth, and of
course now we call spongy moth, which is a horrible
defoliator of primarily oaks and of course some other hardwood trees.
So unbeknownst and my wife is talking about this, you
know that it's a two edged sword when it can
(38:22):
be a two edged sword. You know, when you introduce
a predator or a parasitoid that's not natives to suppress
a no native pess two EDGs because unless there's a
lot of research done to make sure it doesn't go
after something else it can be a problem. Well, there
(38:44):
was a time when there's a lot less research on that.
Now there's a lot more. But at that time, unbeknownst
to the folks that were doing their releases, these flies,
which they had a common name of friendly fly, that
was an effort to to kind of get past the
idea they fly, or they would fly around your face
(39:05):
a lot, right, But unbeknownst to everyone, uh, those flies
also parasitized the silkworm moths, the giant silkworm moth caterpillars.
So it is one reason, and I have to be fair,
it's one of possibly several reasons that we start seeing
(39:27):
the populations go down. I mean, my ives grown up,
lunar MAVs were you know, we're pretty common. You'd often
see them at night, you know, flying around you know,
street lights. And of course I said that very purposefully
because you know, some of the folks out they're going
to say, well, wait a second, Joe, what about you know,
the added amount of light at night. And that's certainly
(39:48):
something else that can confuse these moths and can help
to lead for to having a problem. But back to
what you're saying, Ron, even with that happening, and I
don't want to leave this with people saying Joe said,
we're going to lose all these They came back. The
giant silkworm caterpillars they they and moths they came back.
(40:11):
I mean we started seeing a lot more at this
time of the year, either the big caterpillars I mean,
you know, four inches long easily, you know, or we
would see the cocoons. They would you know, they make
a really nice big cocoon that you know, covered in
(40:31):
in silk, and that's why they're called giant silkworm moths.
But you're right, Ron, I have not. I would. I
used to get at least three or four sometimes I'd
even drive out to take pictures, you know, the caterpillars.
So we have just done a very good favor to
everyone that now we have restored the population by talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
What we haven't seen. You know, it's funny now most
folks are in a panting because they send you a
picture and they're like, oh, my guys, I just went
out of my ornamental tree and it's got this huge
and it's and it's like, how many do you see.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
One that's yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Just leave alone, let it do its thing, and then
you send them a picture of what it could be
and they're like, oh, never mind.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
It is true. It is well, they are just you know,
they're they're so they're so startling, you know, these big caterpillars.
And I will say that that, oh, this was probably
twenty years ago. My wife and I were I'm trying
to think of the town that we were at a
ice cream place, you know when you know the old
(41:39):
you know ice cream, you know places that you can
do you're outside, like the cone, you know what the
conan I'm referencing. Yeah, anyway, so when we're there and
there was a very small tree that had quite a
few of these caterpillars, which really surprised me. And they
were kind of startling, I mean for sure, but they
(42:01):
were they really weren't done any major dammage. But we'll
talk more about this next week when we start getting
the phone calls about them, right.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I hope. So, Buggy Joe Boks always a pleasure. I
tell Gummer Pond. We said heloon and go Bucks.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
I go Bucks. You think care of right?
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Oybye? Thanks all of our callers, Thanks for our sponsors.
Thanks of course to our producer Danny Gleeson, because without
Danny Gleeson, none of this stuff would happen. So Danny,
thank you so much for all that you do to
make it all happen. Now do yourself a favor. Now's
the time. Get out there. Plant those trees one, two, three, four,
whatever it may be, Keep planting trees, Keep planting natives
and native selections. Pamper your worms, be pollinat or polite,
(42:39):
and be friendly. Get the kids involved with gardening and
the dogs as well, and make it the best weekend
of your life.
Speaker 7 (42:44):
See ya is your garden growing call Ron now at
one eight hundred and eighty two three talk you're listening
to in the Garden with Ron Wilson
Speaker 2 (43:07):
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