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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. Time
to talk a little bit of native plants. Love talking
about native plants, especially when we got somebody like Bill
de Boor, who is our native plant specialist. As a
matter of fact, he is the pride of the Purdue
boiler Makers. He is outspreading humanities native solutions around the
world their website Woody Warehouse dot com. Ladies and gentlemen,
mister Bill the Boar, Good morning, sir. I'm you're I
(00:28):
can barely hear you.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, I guess I'll have to try to project more
for you.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
There you are, now we get now, we got you,
and now we got you. So good morning. How are
you sir? See you keep breaking up. I don't know
if you're on a speakerphone or there we go.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'll just try screaming. How about that?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
There? Now you're clear as a bell. That's kind of
unusually this this early in the morning anyway, talking about natives.
And we appreciate you coming on the show. You know
you you grace us with us some information last month.
Really do appreciate that. And of course coming back on again,
we're going to talk today about what native plants can
offer some niceness for you in the fall, including fall colors,
(01:11):
berries and maybe even flowers. And by the way, I
want to mention again their website is Woody Warehouse dot com.
And I don't know if you got my text or email,
but you guys were in a hurry delivering some plants
last Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, we're trucking all over the Midwest. So that is
we're always in a rush to make it delivery, get
back home for the next one.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Got to get those native plants out there and move forward.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's right, all right, let's.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Talk about what's interesting about fall for native plants.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, and I think you know, ron when we think fall,
a lot of people go first and foremost to leave color,
and obviously that's what we think of, but when we're
kind of thinking in ecological terms, native plants offer a
lot more. And so while there isn't a lot of
(02:04):
things that are flowering this time of year, the things
that are are very important to the pollinators because they
are hungry, they're looking for food and there's not a
lot around and so having those food sources is very impactful.
And then of course when we think about migrating birds
(02:24):
and even birds that stay here year round. Having food
sources as we progress into the winter is very important.
Right now, they still have a lot of insects to
forage on, but as those insects start to go away
with cold temperatures, having native seeds for the birds to
(02:45):
eat is very important.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah. As a matter of fact, you know, we talk
a lot about bird feeding and using the bird feeders
and all of that, and they do well. But you know,
the bird feeders this time of the year actually kind
of slow down because the native and they want them.
They want their native, natural source of food, and so
they kind of slowed down for a while. But then,
as you said, as we start to get into late
fall and winter, obviously they'll come back to the feeders
(03:09):
more and more. But now they start counting on those
native plants to carry them through as well. So it's
a combo of the two. And I think a lot
of times we have a tendency to forget about landscaping
for the birds and wildlife in addition to using the feeders.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, and I'm relieved this time of year, ron because
my feeders aren't getting hit so much, so I'm not
watching my wallet get depleted of so much birds.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Eat, except for when the squirrels show up.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's true. They're always out to get me.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I swear that. Yeah, we won't get into that topic today.
Talking with Bill Deboor Chris. Their website is Woody Warhouse
dot com. Be sure and check it out. So what
kind of let's start talking about some of these What
are some good ones as far as providing us with
good seeds and berries.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, and so you know you talked about baroque and
so any of the oaks in the white oak group
tend to be very preferential for birds and wildlife to eat.
And so having any of those white oaks, which includes
white oak, swamp, white oak, bur oak. I'm probably missing
(04:19):
a few others, but those are all really good choices
because you have that high protein, high fat acorn that
a lot of wildlife will eat. From the shrub perspective,
I always go with viburnums and dogwoods at the top.
The viburnums some of the seed a little too big
(04:41):
for song birds, but arrowwood, viburnum, maple leaf y burnum
has a smaller group and the birds can utilize those
easier spice bush that's a really good one. If you
have female spice bush plants this time of year, bayberry
kind of pseudo evergreen, waxy, bluish fruit. Winterberry red not
(05:08):
the most preferential, but gives you that great color as
the season gets colder.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
And don't the bird seem to hold off on that
one for a while, Like I mean, they wait a little.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Bit and really don't hit it until they're basically very hungry,
and then they say, you know, I'll go after It's
kind of like lima beans and me is, I'll eat
it if that's all I have, not me. But the
exact same way is that the birds really they'll hit
(05:40):
them late winter when there's not a lot around, but
they're not going to be the first source that they
go after. We've got two other shrubs that are kind
of flying under the radar. One is coral berry and
the other one of snowberry. Same genus is coral berry
kind of has a few shia pink seed fruit, and snowberry,
(06:05):
like its namesake, is white. And so they're not highly
preferred by wildlife, but when you're kind of thinking about
winter interest, those two really pop in the landscape when
they're covered with those very colorful fruits.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You know, what's interesting about both of those. We learned
about those in college when I was going centuries and
centuries ago, but they were never available. Nobody ever grew
them in it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's just kind of one of those, you know, a
native plant that was out there, and we are fortunately
starting to see those show up now more and more
in the garden centers and nurseries available for folks who
use good landscape plants, you know, great flower, great plant overall.
And the berries are spectacular.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, I mean the shrubs themselves, they can you know,
colaberry will run and spread and so and it's not
the most you know esthetically, you know, it's a shrug
plant out there there is really hard, hearty, durable, and
that uh, that winter color through the droops is pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Oh yeah, no doubt. Can I back up for a second,
you were talking about the oaks, and uh and and
and bur ok It is my favorite of all trees.
I absolutely love that thing. And don't get hit by
one of those oaks when they fall out of there,
because it will knock you out. But you know, the
great source of food for for a lot of wildlife
out there. I am not familiar and I don't think
I can even identify a swamp chestnut oak.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, that's uh, that's a more southern species, so it's
not very common, okay, but that is one that really
you know, you look at burroak, swamp white oak, they're
not going to wow you with their fall color. But
swamp chestnut oak, which is more southern Indiana, Kentucky, southern
Ohio maybe Okay, really has quite striking kind of purple
(07:54):
to red to almost orange at times fall color. And
so that's one that despite its namesake, does fine in
kind of MESI medium ordinary soils, but obviously can handle
slightly wetter sites as well.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Got it. Talking with Bill Deboor. He is out there,
of course, Woody Wearhouse dot Com the website. He's out
there sharing humanity's native solutions to the world, and we
appreciate all the work that he does letting folks know
about all these native plants. Let's take a quick break,
we come back. Bill's got a lot more to share
with us as we're looking at fall characteristics of these
native plants that you might want to incorporate into your landscape.
(08:33):
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Speaker 1 (09:55):
Welcome Back, you're in the garden with Ron Wilson build
Boars whether us this morning, spreading humanities, NAT Solutions Woody
Warhouse dot com. We're talking about, of course, native plants.
He is the pride of the Purdue boiler Makers who
are taking on the fighting a line eye today. That
could be a tough game, that will.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Be a wonderful loss to witness.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Round easy to watch Illinois lose.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Say, if I don't say it, then I'm right there.
You go.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Hey, they're all noise. Plants are pretty tough. But yeah,
good luck today, it's going to be a good one. Anyway,
Let's continue on here talking about these native plants. And
of course, you know you're talking about the plant itself.
You're talking about the fruits and berries and seeds that
these plants can provide. Obviously native plants for our native
wildlife as well as we look at using these also
(10:44):
for spectacular color. And you'd mentioned at the very beginning
about fall colors. A lot of these plants really put
on a good show.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, and I think it's important to note, you know,
as you've been talking about drought and lack of rainfall,
is that that will influence fall color and so some
things that can have spectacular fall color can kind of
go from green to brown or green to yellow to drop.
And so unfortunately, when the plants are not getting water,
(11:15):
their first response is, hey, let's let's cut off this
water loss we're having through the leaves and let's just
pack it up for the season and we'll try again
next year. So if we get some rainfall and the
temperatures stay cool, I think we'll probably have some good
color with some of these species left. I mean there
are certain species like ginko on my properties. It's already dropped.
(11:36):
It went yellow and dropped and it's done, yeah, just
because of drought stress. But other things are still green,
and I you know, we'll see what the weather has
in store for us.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, and I think, you know, we'll still get some
color out of it. But again, it's all weather. I
think we're going to get some cooler tempts next week
and maybe some rainfall. But I think in Indiana, I
was looking at your map yesterday in Ohio as well.
You know, I was pretty much in a slight to
moderate dropt through the entire state, and you guys are
kind of falling right along there.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, we have not. We've had one significant rainfall and
what feels like a month plus so it's uh, we're dry.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yep, no doubt about it. Talking with native plants, of course,
that would be build the boor. He is our native
plant specialist. Woody Warehouse dot com is their their website.
Talk to me a little bit, and this is one
of my favorite plants and way underused in the landscape,
and that would be witch hazel.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, that's a great one that we don't think about
in terms of fall flowering. Common witch hazel is one
that will start flowering about this time. Yellow flowers almost
kind of like a starburst, really kind of yellow flower.
And that's an important one because you'll get it through October,
(12:59):
sometimes into November, depending on microclimates and what have you.
But that's a great one to kind of add a
little zip of color and also provide something for the
pollinators as well.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
And then of course we get into the common witch
hazel and then there are hybrids as well, but we
can't consider those natives correct.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well, that's a whole nother discussion.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I just thought i'd throw that out there for you.
I don't know if you wanted to get into that
one or not talking with Bill debor talking about native
plants obviously, and you know we talk about the woody plants,
the trees and the shrubs that are out there and
available for you for fall colors, seeds and berries. What
about herbaceous plants, native plants for the fall season.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, the workhorses this time of year are really the
golden rods and the asters, which when we kind of
think about landscape design, I tell people don't have that
front and center as the feature plant, because the vast
majority of the year it's not going to look like much.
But all of a sudden they explode with color in September, October,
(14:06):
and sometimes even into November. And if you walk past
any golden rod or aster right now, I dare say
you will see every flying thing just literally attached to
it like this is their bloodline. And so really important
because as I said in the beginning, there's not much
(14:28):
flowering out there, and it's dry, and so not only
do you have these pollinators that are hungry, they're thirsty,
and so there are means by some of these fall
things to try to get a little bit of sustenance.
So really important when you're talking golden rod predominantly yellow,
(14:49):
there are some whites, and then with the asters, it's
kind of the white to blue to pinkish hues is
what you're going to be into.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So what do you when we talk about these native plants,
what do you see out there in grasses that are
native because right now they would be supplying some flowers,
obviously those plumes, and some seeds as well.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, and I think a lot of times people kind
of overlook some of the grasses. I love them as
a winter interest because several of our native grasses stay
standing up throughout most of the winter, almost into early spring.
And so what we're talking about is switch grass, little
(15:32):
blue stem, if you're looking for something that gets is
a little bigger than big blue stem is a good one.
And so you know, little blue stem in particular has
some amazing fall color, but even after the foliage is dead,
kind of having that screen of brown and just the
way they move in the wind. It is a wonderful
(15:54):
act to kind of consider, not just from an esthetic standpoint,
but a function in terms of screening and doing other things.
But like you said, a lot of songbirds absolutely love
hitting the seeds off of many of these native grasses,
and so once again you can provide a food source
(16:15):
that isn't going to the store and buying a bag
of Birdso.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Looking for a great list of all these plants, go
to their website is woodiwarehouse dot com. And again, as
I've always said, when we have Bill on our show,
if you go to your local independent garden center and
they say, you know what, we having a hard time
coming up with a source of native plants to sell
in our garden center, give him that website woodewarehouse dot com.
Have him get in touch with Bill, and he's got
a great source of native plants for them to bring
(16:41):
into their garden centers and all different sizes, but again
great information. So you can get a kind of a
list to work with here as well. A few minutes
left here, I got a couple questions for you here,
kind of off the we don't I every now and
then I get somebody that says, well, you know, we're
talking about these native plants, but I know, remember were
talking about native vine for the area.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, that's a great one. We do have some wonderful vines.
I think the asterisk mark that I will put anytime
we're talking vines is for the most part, they are
geared towards climbing, conquering, overcoming as their main form of growth.
And so you have to think about vines kind of
(17:26):
in terms of they're going to be aggressive and you
need to make sure the spot that you're planting it
you can either maintain it, prune it back, or you know,
don't put it next to things that it can overtake
and then choke out. And so that's kind of my
cautionary tale. With that being said, you know this time
(17:46):
of year, American bitter sweet that is a dioecious vine,
so there's male bearing flowers and female bearing flowers. But
that is one versus the Asianic bitter sweet that is
highly ornamental. You can do decorations with it. It's a
great one, but it does climb and grab hold kind
(18:07):
of like wisteria does. We've got Virginia creeper, which you know,
you want to talk about spectacular scarlet fall color. That's
kind of like poison ivy where you're hard pressed to
find something it's more brilliant in terms of the fall color.
The female plants will bear a blue droup that songbirds love.
(18:33):
It can act like a vine, it can act like groundcover.
So a lot of you know, poison ivy and Virgina
creeper can kind of be dual purpose that way. And
then I encourage people try something like pipe vine that
flies under the radar. The pipe fine swallowtail uses that
as its host plant. It's got like almost a pipe
(18:54):
shaped weird flower that looks tropical that goes early on
a mid late spring summertime and then huge heart shaped leaves.
And so if you've got a dead snag or something
that you just kind of say, I want to leave
it up for the woodpeckers or you know something, but
I just don't want to look at this dead tree anymore,
(19:16):
consider something like these vines like pipe vine does a
wonderful job of covering it up and providing more functionality
to a snag for you.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Again to where the website is woodiwearhouse dot com. You know,
I took a class a couple of years ago. Ogi
aheaded or whatever gentlemen was talking about native plants from
the beginning colonial days, and he was talking about how
they used to sell poison ivy seeds and the description
was beautiful vine, great flower, grape berry, great fall color, spectacular,
(19:47):
but it did make does make the itch. I thought
that was kind of itches.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's one I don't recommend for people.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I'll say that Bill de Boor, he's spreading the word
about humanities, native solutions. Woodiwarhouse dot com the pride of
the Purdue Boilermakers. Bill always a pleasure, my man.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Thank you, Ron.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
All right, take care Bill a board again. It's Woody
Warehouse dot com. And I'm serious. If you go to
your local garden center and they say, hey, we can't
find a source for good native plants, that got them
Woodywarehouse dot com. They service states all around the country,
so be sure and check them out. Quick break we
come back. Phone lines are open for you. What's that number?
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(20:27):
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Speaker 2 (21:00):
S
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson. Time
to talk a little bit of native plants. Love talking
about native plants, especially when we got somebody like Bill
de Boor, who is our native plant specialist. As a
matter of fact, he is the pride of the Purdue
boiler Makers. He is outspreading humanities native solutions around the
world their website Woody Warehouse dot com. Ladies and gentlemen,
mister Bill the Boar, Good morning, sir. I'm you're I
(00:28):
can barely hear you.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, I guess I'll have to try to project more
for you.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
There you are, now we get now, we got you,
and now we got you. So good morning. How are
you sir? See you keep breaking up. I don't know
if you're on a speakerphone or there we go.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'll just try screaming. How about that?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
There? Now you're clear as a bell. That's kind of
unusually this this early in the morning anyway, talking about natives.
And we appreciate you coming on the show. You know
you you grace us with us some information last month.
Really do appreciate that. And of course coming back on again,
we're going to talk today about what native plants can
offer some niceness for you in the fall, including fall colors,
(01:11):
berries and maybe even flowers. And by the way, I
want to mention again their website is Woody Warehouse dot com.
And I don't know if you got my text or email,
but you guys were in a hurry delivering some plants
last Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, we're trucking all over the Midwest. So that is
we're always in a rush to make it delivery, get
back home for the next one.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Got to get those native plants out there and move forward.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's right, all right, let's.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Talk about what's interesting about fall for native plants.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, and I think you know, ron when we think fall,
a lot of people go first and foremost to leave color,
and obviously that's what we think of, but when we're
kind of thinking in ecological terms, native plants offer a
lot more. And so while there isn't a lot of
(02:04):
things that are flowering this time of year, the things
that are are very important to the pollinators because they
are hungry, they're looking for food and there's not a
lot around and so having those food sources is very impactful.
And then of course when we think about migrating birds
(02:24):
and even birds that stay here year round. Having food
sources as we progress into the winter is very important.
Right now, they still have a lot of insects to
forage on, but as those insects start to go away
with cold temperatures, having native seeds for the birds to
(02:45):
eat is very important.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah. As a matter of fact, you know, we talk
a lot about bird feeding and using the bird feeders
and all of that, and they do well. But you know,
the bird feeders this time of the year actually kind
of slow down because the native and they want them.
They want their native, natural source of food, and so
they kind of slowed down for a while. But then,
as you said, as we start to get into late
fall and winter, obviously they'll come back to the feeders
(03:09):
more and more. But now they start counting on those
native plants to carry them through as well. So it's
a combo of the two. And I think a lot
of times we have a tendency to forget about landscaping
for the birds and wildlife in addition to using the feeders.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, and I'm relieved this time of year, ron because
my feeders aren't getting hit so much, so I'm not
watching my wallet get depleted of so much birds.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Eat, except for when the squirrels show up.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's true. They're always out to get me.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I swear that. Yeah, we won't get into that topic today.
Talking with Bill Deboor Chris. Their website is Woody Warhouse
dot com. Be sure and check it out. So what
kind of let's start talking about some of these What
are some good ones as far as providing us with
good seeds and berries.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, and so you know you talked about baroque and
so any of the oaks in the white oak group
tend to be very preferential for birds and wildlife to eat.
And so having any of those white oaks, which includes
white oak, swamp, white oak, bur oak. I'm probably missing
(04:19):
a few others, but those are all really good choices
because you have that high protein, high fat acorn that
a lot of wildlife will eat. From the shrub perspective,
I always go with viburnums and dogwoods at the top.
The viburnums some of the seed a little too big
(04:41):
for song birds, but arrowwood, viburnum, maple leaf y burnum
has a smaller group and the birds can utilize those
easier spice bush that's a really good one. If you
have female spice bush plants this time of year, bayberry
kind of pseudo evergreen, waxy, bluish fruit. Winterberry red not
(05:08):
the most preferential, but gives you that great color as
the season gets colder.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
And don't the bird seem to hold off on that
one for a while, Like I mean, they wait a little.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Bit and really don't hit it until they're basically very hungry,
and then they say, you know, I'll go after It's
kind of like lima beans and me is, I'll eat
it if that's all I have, not me. But the
exact same way is that the birds really they'll hit
(05:40):
them late winter when there's not a lot around, but
they're not going to be the first source that they
go after. We've got two other shrubs that are kind
of flying under the radar. One is coral berry and
the other one of snowberry. Same genus is coral berry
kind of has a few shia pink seed fruit, and snowberry,
(06:05):
like its namesake, is white. And so they're not highly
preferred by wildlife, but when you're kind of thinking about
winter interest, those two really pop in the landscape when
they're covered with those very colorful fruits.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You know, what's interesting about both of those. We learned
about those in college when I was going centuries and
centuries ago, but they were never available. Nobody ever grew
them in it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's just kind of one of those, you know, a
native plant that was out there, and we are fortunately
starting to see those show up now more and more
in the garden centers and nurseries available for folks who
use good landscape plants, you know, great flower, great plant overall.
And the berries are spectacular.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, I mean the shrubs themselves, they can you know,
colaberry will run and spread and so and it's not
the most you know esthetically, you know, it's a shrug
plant out there there is really hard, hearty, durable, and
that uh, that winter color through the droops is pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Oh yeah, no doubt. Can I back up for a second,
you were talking about the oaks, and uh and and
and bur ok It is my favorite of all trees.
I absolutely love that thing. And don't get hit by
one of those oaks when they fall out of there,
because it will knock you out. But you know, the
great source of food for for a lot of wildlife
out there. I am not familiar and I don't think
I can even identify a swamp chestnut oak.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, that's uh, that's a more southern species, so it's
not very common, okay, but that is one that really
you know, you look at burroak, swamp white oak, they're
not going to wow you with their fall color. But
swamp chestnut oak, which is more southern Indiana, Kentucky, southern
Ohio maybe Okay, really has quite striking kind of purple
(07:54):
to red to almost orange at times fall color. And
so that's one that despite its namesake, does fine in
kind of MESI medium ordinary soils, but obviously can handle
slightly wetter sites as well.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Got it. Talking with Bill Deboor. He is out there,
of course, Woody Wearhouse dot Com the website. He's out
there sharing humanity's native solutions to the world, and we
appreciate all the work that he does letting folks know
about all these native plants. Let's take a quick break,
we come back. Bill's got a lot more to share
with us as we're looking at fall characteristics of these
native plants that you might want to incorporate into your landscape.
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Speaker 1 (09:55):
Welcome Back, you're in the garden with Ron Wilson build
Boars whether us this morning, spreading humanities, NAT Solutions Woody
Warhouse dot com. We're talking about, of course, native plants.
He is the pride of the Purdue boiler Makers who
are taking on the fighting a line eye today. That
could be a tough game, that will.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Be a wonderful loss to witness.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Round easy to watch Illinois lose.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
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You go.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Hey, they're all noise. Plants are pretty tough. But yeah,
good luck today, it's going to be a good one. Anyway,
Let's continue on here talking about these native plants. And
of course, you know you're talking about the plant itself.
You're talking about the fruits and berries and seeds that
these plants can provide. Obviously native plants for our native
wildlife as well as we look at using these also
(10:44):
for spectacular color. And you'd mentioned at the very beginning
about fall colors. A lot of these plants really put
on a good show.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, and I think it's important to note, you know,
as you've been talking about drought and lack of rainfall,
is that that will influence fall color and so some
things that can have spectacular fall color can kind of
go from green to brown or green to yellow to drop.
And so unfortunately, when the plants are not getting water,
(11:15):
their first response is, hey, let's let's cut off this
water loss we're having through the leaves and let's just
pack it up for the season and we'll try again
next year. So if we get some rainfall and the
temperatures stay cool, I think we'll probably have some good
color with some of these species left. I mean there
are certain species like ginko on my properties. It's already dropped.
(11:36):
It went yellow and dropped and it's done, yeah, just
because of drought stress. But other things are still green,
and I you know, we'll see what the weather has
in store for us.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, and I think, you know, we'll still get some
color out of it. But again, it's all weather. I
think we're going to get some cooler tempts next week
and maybe some rainfall. But I think in Indiana, I
was looking at your map yesterday in Ohio as well.
You know, I was pretty much in a slight to
moderate dropt through the entire state, and you guys are
kind of falling right along there.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, we have not. We've had one significant rainfall and
what feels like a month plus so it's uh, we're dry.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yep, no doubt about it. Talking with native plants, of course,
that would be build the boor. He is our native
plant specialist. Woody Warehouse dot com is their their website.
Talk to me a little bit, and this is one
of my favorite plants and way underused in the landscape,
and that would be witch hazel.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, that's a great one that we don't think about
in terms of fall flowering. Common witch hazel is one
that will start flowering about this time. Yellow flowers almost
kind of like a starburst, really kind of yellow flower.
And that's an important one because you'll get it through October,
(12:59):
sometimes into November, depending on microclimates and what have you.
But that's a great one to kind of add a
little zip of color and also provide something for the
pollinators as well.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
And then of course we get into the common witch
hazel and then there are hybrids as well, but we
can't consider those natives correct.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Well, that's a whole nother discussion.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I just thought i'd throw that out there for you.
I don't know if you wanted to get into that
one or not talking with Bill debor talking about native
plants obviously, and you know we talk about the woody plants,
the trees and the shrubs that are out there and
available for you for fall colors, seeds and berries. What
about herbaceous plants, native plants for the fall season.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, the workhorses this time of year are really the
golden rods and the asters, which when we kind of
think about landscape design, I tell people don't have that
front and center as the feature plant, because the vast
majority of the year it's not going to look like much.
But all of a sudden they explode with color in September, October,
(14:06):
and sometimes even into November. And if you walk past
any golden rod or aster right now, I dare say
you will see every flying thing just literally attached to
it like this is their bloodline. And so really important
because as I said in the beginning, there's not much
(14:28):
flowering out there, and it's dry, and so not only
do you have these pollinators that are hungry, they're thirsty,
and so there are means by some of these fall
things to try to get a little bit of sustenance.
So really important when you're talking golden rod predominantly yellow,
(14:49):
there are some whites, and then with the asters, it's
kind of the white to blue to pinkish hues is
what you're going to be into.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So what do you when we talk about these native plants,
what do you see out there in grasses that are
native because right now they would be supplying some flowers,
obviously those plumes, and some seeds as well.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, and I think a lot of times people kind
of overlook some of the grasses. I love them as
a winter interest because several of our native grasses stay
standing up throughout most of the winter, almost into early spring.
And so what we're talking about is switch grass, little
(15:32):
blue stem, if you're looking for something that gets is
a little bigger than big blue stem is a good one.
And so you know, little blue stem in particular has
some amazing fall color, but even after the foliage is dead,
kind of having that screen of brown and just the
way they move in the wind. It is a wonderful
(15:54):
act to kind of consider, not just from an esthetic standpoint,
but a function in terms of screening and doing other things.
But like you said, a lot of songbirds absolutely love
hitting the seeds off of many of these native grasses,
and so once again you can provide a food source
(16:15):
that isn't going to the store and buying a bag
of Birdso.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Looking for a great list of all these plants, go
to their website is woodiwarehouse dot com. And again, as
I've always said, when we have Bill on our show,
if you go to your local independent garden center and
they say, you know what, we having a hard time
coming up with a source of native plants to sell
in our garden center, give him that website woodewarehouse dot com.
Have him get in touch with Bill, and he's got
a great source of native plants for them to bring
(16:41):
into their garden centers and all different sizes, but again
great information. So you can get a kind of a
list to work with here as well. A few minutes
left here, I got a couple questions for you here,
kind of off the we don't I every now and
then I get somebody that says, well, you know, we're
talking about these native plants, but I know, remember were
talking about native vine for the area.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, that's a great one. We do have some wonderful vines.
I think the asterisk mark that I will put anytime
we're talking vines is for the most part, they are
geared towards climbing, conquering, overcoming as their main form of growth.
And so you have to think about vines kind of
(17:26):
in terms of they're going to be aggressive and you
need to make sure the spot that you're planting it
you can either maintain it, prune it back, or you know,
don't put it next to things that it can overtake
and then choke out. And so that's kind of my
cautionary tale. With that being said, you know this time
(17:46):
of year, American bitter sweet that is a dioecious vine,
so there's male bearing flowers and female bearing flowers. But
that is one versus the Asianic bitter sweet that is
highly ornamental. You can do decorations with it. It's a
great one, but it does climb and grab hold kind
(18:07):
of like wisteria does. We've got Virginia creeper, which you know,
you want to talk about spectacular scarlet fall color. That's
kind of like poison ivy where you're hard pressed to
find something it's more brilliant in terms of the fall color.
The female plants will bear a blue droup that songbirds love.
(18:33):
It can act like a vine, it can act like groundcover.
So a lot of you know, poison ivy and Virgina
creeper can kind of be dual purpose that way. And
then I encourage people try something like pipe vine that
flies under the radar. The pipe fine swallowtail uses that
as its host plant. It's got like almost a pipe
(18:54):
shaped weird flower that looks tropical that goes early on
a mid late spring summertime and then huge heart shaped leaves.
And so if you've got a dead snag or something
that you just kind of say, I want to leave
it up for the woodpeckers or you know something, but
I just don't want to look at this dead tree anymore,
(19:16):
consider something like these vines like pipe vine does a
wonderful job of covering it up and providing more functionality
to a snag for you.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Again to where the website is woodiwearhouse dot com. You know,
I took a class a couple of years ago. Ogi
aheaded or whatever gentlemen was talking about native plants from
the beginning colonial days, and he was talking about how
they used to sell poison ivy seeds and the description
was beautiful vine, great flower, grape berry, great fall color, spectacular,
(19:47):
but it did make does make the itch. I thought
that was kind of itches.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's one I don't recommend for people.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I'll say that Bill de Boor, he's spreading the word
about humanities, native solutions. Woodiwarhouse dot com the pride of
the Purdue Boilermakers. Bill always a pleasure, my man.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Thank you, Ron.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
All right, take care Bill a board again. It's Woody
Warehouse dot com. And I'm serious. If you go to
your local garden center and they say, hey, we can't
find a source for good native plants, that got them
Woodywarehouse dot com. They service states all around the country,
so be sure and check them out. Quick break we
come back. Phone lines are open for you. What's that number?
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in the garden with Ron Wilson.
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