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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning, I'm run Wilson, your personal
yard boy. Don't forget our website, Run Wilson online dot
com Facebook page. In the garden with Ron Wilson and
as I promise, it's time for a bifurcation of segments.
Whether it's the weather and in the trees with Ronnie Rothas.
He's the amateur meteorologist, weather Predictor Extraordinaire, Registered Consulting arbors

(00:24):
I sate Board certified Master Arborist. He's got about ten
other plaques on his office wall as well, with all
kinds of certifications. He's a cornucopia filled with copious amounts
of strange and unusual information. His website arbordoctor dot com.
Ladies and gentlemen, ron rothis, sit down, sit down, Good morning, sir,

(00:52):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
If I was any better, I would be ron Rothis.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
You gonna have to work on being better then, Not
because it's I'm not much better than you, but because
you need to have higher.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I need to have what.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
You have, higher goals.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Help. We're losing you. You're fading in and out on
us for some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Anyway your faith is that any better?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's better? Thank you. I was going to also say
that you were our professional at Shinrin Yoku.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I have no idea what that.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Is professional forest bather because you're always in the trees
and look, you're always happy and upbeat, had a very
positive attitude. And that's because you hang out in the trees.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
And there is there's abundant scientific research that shows the
exposure to hanging out in the trees and at your greenery.
And as you were talking out a little bit earlier
in the show, you know, with everything that we've had
happening recently in the country, uh, going out and doing
some gardening or taking a walk in the woods. But

(02:05):
you know, the science is very clear that it is
very beneficial to our mental health.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
No doubt and idea. And if you can't you can't
think of a park or somewhere to go. I just said,
go to your local gardens so you don't have to
buy anything. Just walk through and enjoy all the stuff
they've got right now, lots of color, lots of fall color,
and the pumpkins and all and just chill out.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, it's I'll tell you what. There's some beautiful garden
centers around meam Nemo in the west side of Cincinnati
and uh, you know white out Gardens is beautiful and
beautiful gardens. Oh yeah, east side of Cincinnati you have
beautiful garden centers. Uh sou, but they're also works. Cincinnati

(02:52):
area is just really blessed to have some some beautiful
parks both in the city. I'm sure there you're broadcast
in or very similar. Really really no excuses. It's getting like,
you know, there's in the hands right now. Yeah, fift
degrees right now, the little small so you know, get

(03:16):
out or walking in the woods. It's going to be
much cooler under the fees and is out in the
open somewhere. Oh yeah. It's a great way, you know,
pay attention to something else other than you know, some
than that having.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Going on, no doubt about it. Talk with Ron Roethis'
website arbordoctor dot com. Yes, he is fading in and out,
but we'll get that corrected somehow. Uh. Before we go
into the break, first thing I want to talk about.
We just lost him, so we'll pick him back up again.
I don't know what was going on him back here. Yeah,
we're going to try to reconnect with him. But when
I was talking about the forest bathing, it's it's known

(03:55):
as hinrin yoku, and it really is true, uh, going
out there and then moving through, walking through, sitting down,
enjoying all the different aspects that you see. You know,
one thing I've always told and if you've listened our
show over the years, I've always said that even if
you're not a hunter, all right, deer hunting, there's something
about deer hunting.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Just do it.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Don't deer hunt. You call back immediately because he is
Ron Rothlson, because he is Ron rothis, but don't you
don't have to deer hunt, but do like you would
if you were deer hunting, where you go out at
four o'clock in the morning in a complete darkness, get
yourself set up in the woods, you know, wherever we
may be, in a stand or down on the ground,
and just sit there and watch as mother Nature comes
to life and the sun comes up. You will be

(04:39):
I don't know, there's something about that experience that is
absolutely phenomenal. And that's why you see Ron sometimes climb
up in the tree and just hang out at four
in the morning until the sun comes up and then
he goes to work.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yes, is that what I did?

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I don't know. I think it's what you do. Hey,
all right, so we got you back, hopefully we got
you connected here. Let's talk.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
First of all, it would have been much more exciting
if I had been out when I was in the
studio with you a couple of weeks ago. You know,
I'm there one minute, gone the next.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
That would be interesting. It would be you're still fading
it out a little bit. But let's let's try this.
Get this to the segment. First of all, looking at
the weather we are now, if I'm not mistaken, looking
at the drought monitor for the Midwest, most of the
state of Ohio is in either a slight or moderate drought.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, it's it's kind of scattered, but you know their
areas they're just normally dry. But I think can for
this is in a moderate drought. Yeah, it's very driver health.
And the weather forecast is not prominent because we have humidities,
high temperatures in the upper eighties or even low nineties

(05:56):
for one or two days. It's it's not a pretty
picture right now. Unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
So as we're looking out there right now, as far
as watering goes. You know, I think we're I don't
know where we are as far as rainfall in our area,
and you can't really look at that because you just
have to look and say, yeah, we are extremely dry.
One of my points earlier on was that you know,
we've got to stick with this watering, especially those evergreens.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
And you know, rainfall kind of variable. But my uh,
you know, Shivy at the west west side of Cincinnati,
basically I had basically one farm in the month of August.
Total rainfall for the entire month was one point which
is one point one month. Total rainfall months of September

(06:48):
so far zero point sixty nine inches, So I mean
one point eight inches in the first of August. That
is maybe a third of what we would get that
in that time period. So yes, I mean newly transplanted trees, everythings,
but really just about everything, because Ron, what do we

(07:10):
talk about every year in January, February, March, and it's
you know, becoming uh cerccle. Right now, with Halloween coming
up in a month or so, the ghosts of droughts passed,
and right is the time when we're either do ghosts

(07:31):
of droughts passed to show up next spring or prevent that,
and what are the ghosts of droughts passed? Evergreens trees declimbing,
every problems, turning brown, you know, three months after the drought,
five months after the rout drought, six months after the drought. Whatever.

(07:53):
I can't tell you how many times here I've gotten
calls friend, well you know, I don't understand why am
I ever greens turning brown in March or April or June.
And I go up out stress and they said, but
it's pouring dain every day and it's like, yeah, but
it wasn't last fall. So you know, right now is

(08:13):
the to all that? And people say things like, well
I can't afford the water bill. Well, you know, if
you lose I've green giant arbery, it's gonna cost many
hundreds If not, you know, a few thousand dollars if
you have someone I'm can you afford that? Yeah? Last

(08:36):
year I think the most. The most it's a water
bill that I had was maybe a couple of hundred bucks. Well,
you can't buy one eight foot green giant Arborvieting and
have it planted for that, So you know, it's just
it's an investment in the future right now. I don't

(08:59):
mean getting out there, built through the roof and watering
every day. It's sensible watering an inch per week, you know,
put the sprinkler out there, put a little coffee can out,
or buy a little rain gage from the Heartstred and
and make sure how much water you're putting out so
you're not overdoing it with the watering. You don't want

(09:21):
you to be out there, you know, watering every day
in areas since Anna till it. Maybe areas I know
you're you're nationwide, the areas the sandy soil. Some of
those areas do more frequent water. But in the area
you know, it's it's one air and if the hen

(09:41):
and watering, so you know, put the sprinkler out and
then don't water that area again for a week or
ten days or whatever. But when you do water, make
sure you're putting an inch down at least.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yep, Ryan, we're losing you big time. Let's let's take
a break when we come back. I got quite is
about ron as far as what happens if trees are
planted too deep. So we're gonna jump back into tree care.
But again the big The main you know thing here
right now is as I mentioned earlier in the show,
water is very very important, and his saying about the

(10:15):
ghost of the droughts past is true. And if it
cost you another one hundred bucks a month to water
extra to protect all those plants, it's worth the one
hundred dollars because it'll cost you a heck a lot
more than that to replace those plants down the rope,
plus the time involved to get them to grow. Eight
hundred eight two three eight two five five. That's our
number here in the garden with Ron Wilson.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
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Speaker 1 (13:03):
Talking to your arading at eight hundred eight two three
eight two five five this morning. Our of course, are
hobby meteorogist and I say certified arburst and all kinds
of other things that he has plaques on his wall for.
I mean, he knows his stuff. Website arbordoctor dot com
ronrothis so hopefully we're not gonna get your fading in
and out here. We got you connected to try it again.

(13:25):
But so you know, one of the things that you
and I kind of and you especially but working on
trying to really bring around around the awareness about show
me that root flair planting trees properly, and of course
fall being a great time for planting.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
And so a lot of trees are gonna get planted
this fall. But do you go out and I do
occasionally and find these trees that are struggling or not
doing so well, and you clear things away and you
find out they're two three, four, five six inches too
deep into the ground. So when that happens and they've
been growing for a couple of years, can you save

(14:01):
trees that are planted too deep?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
You can? It depends sometimes on how long it's been
like that. People will call me out to look at mature,
older trees, and sometimes it's basically past the point you
can do anything. The younger the tree is, the more

(14:26):
success you're going to have. When I say younger, I
mean it can be you know, several years after it
was planted, or you know a number of years and
still be fine. But having soil up over the root
flare no matter how old the tree is. And I've
uncovered root flares on trees that you know that were
decades old, and it really really helps. But you know,

(14:51):
the deep planting, the veried root flair is a big problem.
And what will happen with some trees, and probably the
worst is red maple, is when they are too deep,
they'll form a secondary root system up above the main
root flare, and some of those roots will grow around
the trunk of the tree, and as the trunk of

(15:12):
the tree grows, will start to girdle the trunk of
the tree. And it's that girdling process and whatnot that
makes some of that correction very difficult to impossible over time,
so you really want to catch it before that happens.
The other thing that happens is roots start growing upwards

(15:34):
from the buried root flare, so over time that root
system comes back up to the surface, and if you
try to dig down and uncover the root flare, you
end up running into the main root system that's coming upwards.
So all you can really achieve is a little bit
of a dish around the base of the tree. So

(15:54):
ideally you want to correct that when you plant the tree.
You know, just a major caution to your listeners. I
run into it on almost every landscape where trees, root
systems are buried when planted by professional landscapers. So please

(16:16):
don't assume because your tree was professionally planted, that was
planted at the right depth. In fact, I would assume
that it very well wasn't. Unless you go out and
actually find that the root flair is visible, because it's
very often is not. You know, pictures worth a thousand words.

(16:37):
Knowing what we're going to talk about this morning, I
went to my blog site, which if listeners go to
Arbordoctor dot com and you'll see blog at the top.
I put two posts on there. One is the tree
planting guide that the Ohio Chapter ISA developed last year
and I was on that committee, which shows how a

(16:58):
tree should be planted. And then the other post that
I put on this morning was fixing deep planting and
buried root flares and actually has videos on there showing
how that root flare depth correction can actually be done.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
If a tree, a younger tree, let's say he's been
planning for two or three years and it winds up
being six inches below the ground. Is that a situation
where you would really suggest coming in and maybe digging
the tree back up and replanting it. I mean, that's
a lot of excavation to get soort off the top
of the that root flare. And then what do you
do now your tree is planted in a depression.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah. I hate to say it depends, but it depends. Okay,
if the tree is truly you know, six inches deep
in a flat area, and you're going to have a
serious depression at some point. I would say, yeah, you
might have to dig the tree up and replant it.

(17:58):
I really tried to avoid that because you know, when
the tree has been in for a while, it's it's
you know, it's root system has taken hold, it's it's
form new roots. When you dig up the tree, you
cut a lot of those roots, and you're really starting
over with that tree, right you know, you're you're kind
of replanting it. So it's so it's very hard on

(18:19):
the tree. And if you have a depression around the tree,
you know, people say, isn't water going to collect around there? Well, yeah,
it made temporarily in a heavy rainstorm. But if your
soil is you know, well drained, you're just normally well drained,
it'll percolate into the into the soil and disperse within

(18:42):
you know, an hour or so. So it's not a
problem really to have a depression around the tree. But
like I said, obviously, if it's if it's too deep
and six inches it might be might be getting there.
You kind of have to do it eventually.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Go to his website arbordoctor dot com. He has posted
some things videos and pictures there for you to see
what you should be looking for. And again, if you're
not sure, call out your certified arborst have them take
a look at the tree as well. Ron Roth, It's
always a pleasure. Arbordoctor dot com.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Take care.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
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