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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson, this
time for the Buggy Joe Bog's Departments of Joe Bobbs.
This is a professor commercial orders anyway, It's not university extension.
Now is your apartment at Toomology, A co creator of
Mother Coffee and for him where every cup of Joe
as bold as King Cadora, yet smooth at mathrous Jokie
Wings website is uh. I started to say, bogs bygl
(00:22):
dot orshow dot eedu ladies and gentlemen, mister common sens
it go himself, Buggy Joe Boggs, Hello Joe, Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Run. Let's just skip right ahead to the big show today.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
The Big Show. Do you like coconut cream pie show?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I love coconut cream pieh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yes, Rita's recipe is so easy. I am going to
actually go home today before the big game at noon
and make myself a coconut cream pie.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Do you know what is the coconut cream banana cream?
I just shot man, ah man. I tell you that
you were a.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Kid, did you take vanilla wafers, put them in a glass,
pour milk on it, crush them all up and eat
that like a paste.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yes I did. I didn't do that. I mean, who
didn't do this? Weird and wonderful. I mean, it's a
wonder that we survived our misadventures and eating right, well
eating what.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Now they're saying, kids, kids need to get out and
eat some dirt. You know, you and I are always
out there with dirt on our hands and doing stuff. Kids.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You never know where this is going.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Kids, they don't do that anymore. So now they're saying,
kids need to get out and play in the mud,
stick your hands in your in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Oh goodness, I'm thinking of the I'm thinking of the
movie Raising Arizona. Now, there are very few people will
get this, this this reference. But when the main characters
in jail and his cell mate starts talking about, you know,
they when they were so poor, and he goes down
(02:10):
the list, you know, and we are so poor we
didn't have when we didn't have earth from arms we
eat or or something like that, I just I just well, yes,
I tell you. Well, okay, so we're the coconut cream.
You're Rita has a great recipe. I'm gonna have to
check that out.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's really simple. Now I'm not gonna make the crust. Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna stop at the grocery store and
I'm gonna get the crust. But the rest of this stuff,
I mean, of course it's Rena's recipes are easy. They're quick.
Slap this thing together in fifteen minutes, put it in
a refrigerator, and by the time we were at the
halftime for the big game at noon, I'll be having
(02:50):
myself some coconut cream pilo with my beer.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, now, now I'm just visualizing this. You know, a
big coconut cream pie is sitting there, well just kind
of you know, you're just holding it in front of
you with a with a with a cool one in
the other hand. Who's going to feed you the pie? Though,
I'll figure I'll figure that went out.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
What's good about this one is she puts a lot
of coconut in with the coconut cream as well as
on top of the pie.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, I'll tell you that. The only downside for me
was I'm the only one in the family that likes coconut.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I'm the only one in our family likes coconuts. No
downside to that, Joe, Well, that's outside is that.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, I realized that, you know, when we stop in
a pie shop, we can have one all to ourselves.
But you know, very seldom could I ever get, you know,
a coconut cream pie because.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Unless I buy one, you know, no, well.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's actually actually now I think, well, no, there's some
of these really great pie places. Yeah, yah, yeah, that's
right now I think about it. I never well, yeah,
there is oh yes, silent. He said that they just
got quiet. You know, people just stopped the listeners. They
(04:16):
were all into it. They went oh yeah yeah. I
was like, oh, now that that needed to be a
screeching halt. You need to get the sound effects of
a car just screeching though, because then.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I work with what I had.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I heard from Jerry Rose our giant pumpkin growers up
in Huntsburg. Uh oh yeah, yeah, you know he's told
me about he lis kind of in a valley up there.
How much difference their weather can be compared to the
rest of the state of Ohio. He sent me. He
sent me a picture of his uh of his thermometer
this morning. Course, he's growing those giant pumpkins, so he
(04:51):
has to attect them. Hes him in a high tunnel
forty three degrees this morning in Huntsburg.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
That is amazing. He's up in that frost area.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, he gets frost, he gets snowed early, he gets
all that stuff. You'll have snow in two weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You know. That's uh, it's so strange when you think about, uh,
you know these you know, weird weather. You're out west, right,
I mean the mountains and you have so many you know,
the altitudes, and with Ohio, you don't think of that.
With Ohio, you we tend not to think about, you know, valleys,
We tend not to think that elevational differences, and but
(05:31):
they do occur, and they you know, theycur throughout the
Appalachian Range. And it's just to me, I always found
that fast thing. You know, there are places in West
Virginia where same thing. It could be five miles away
and and they're having a killing frost, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So what you know, and you've got your coconut sunscreen.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
On, and I got my coconut cream pie. You know,
I never did.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I could never. I could never use coconut screens, coconut
smelling uh sunscreen, because I'd put it in a spoon. Yeah,
I'd want to you know.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, well I never did think of something though that.
I'm sure some listeners are thinking, well, okay, they weren't
thirty five dollars when we were when we were a
little bit a bit young, we had younger families, and
we should have probably just considered the upside that if
we got a whole pie, we had it all to ourselves.
I never even thought of that, Ron, I don't think
(06:25):
I ever did that. Yeah, I never, that's right, yeah, yeah,
uh huh.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Hey Joe, are you any bugs and diseases or anything?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, it is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Here was my summary. I do a little wrap up
for everybody at work so they have to what we're
seeing and hearing. Here are my Here are my summaries
for this week of the bugs and diseases that you'll
probably be asked about. Crab apples dropping leaves like crazy
and look horrible. What's the you know, what's the disease
that's wiping out crab apples? Uh, which of course they're not,
(07:01):
but anyway, Magnolias with black stoody stems and leaves and
puffy things on the branches, and flies and bees and wasps,
maple trees losing their color, branch, die back bag wording
on evergreens, needles gone in those area. And what are
these red and black bugs on my milkweed?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You know that? Is that just about covers at all?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
There's one that didn't one.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh yeah, boy, that has taken.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Us dominant question.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, so box tree moth has been uh, it's been
really interesting in terms of this is I guess I'm
just gonna say it bluntly, this is absolutely the worst
time to discover them because they're basically getting they're so
close to the end of the season. As a matter
of fact, we don't quite understand some of the seasonal
(07:58):
history that we're seeing because we tend to think of
insects in the summer, you know, running out as long
as they can, you know, before a frost. In other words,
we still have a lot of warm weather left left.
You know you mentioned tomatoes for example, Well, I've had,
I mean, I've had some fantastic tomatoes this year, mainly
(08:21):
because you and I you may not you may remember
this early in the season. And now you're gonna throw
the test at me. I'm going to fail it because
I need to go out and get the tags. But
I have three to only have three tomato plants. It's
all the rum I had, and they are some of
the best tomatoes based on doing a little research talking
(08:42):
with you and uh and and and then trying some
new varieties. They've just done very well this year also,
And the main high point was if you recall, you know,
they also attracted you know, the hornworms, so I can
take pictures of them and report about them. That's I
mean to me, my wife doesn't appreciate it, but to me,
(09:05):
that's a high point. Although she got to see the
cocoons coming out of these things, the cocoons of the
very said what more. I mean, it was a wonderful
tomato season.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The tomatoes a bonus.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They were. Yeah, they were kind of a side side show.
That's as to be perfectly honest, but it's been it's
been such an interesting season this year. And now that
we're starting to come to close, people think, well, after
labor Day, it's like not going to the pool. You know,
nothing's going to happen. That box tree moth is strange.
(09:40):
It is a attended We have to always remit a
non natives, so it didn't evolve, you know, in this
part of the world, and and we're just at the
end of it doing its damage. But of course this
is the time of year when we've gone through the
highest population, so people start seeing the damage. I want
(10:01):
to stress this and I want us to come back
to it after the break, I think, and my offer
of my desk battle on time.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You're on time, ladies and gentlemen. As Joe's hide, Let's
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Speaker 1 (11:47):
Welcome back. You're in the guarden with Ron Wilson. Hello Joe.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Hello, Le's you go?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Joe? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
The mystery is where did Joe go?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I put another quarter in the phone?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It's thirty five not a quarter? Is it fifty cents?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah? You do recognize that we just there's a certain
demographic that has no idea what we're talking about, right, yeah, right,
In fact, probably the vast majority. I just at any rate.
So back to box tree moth. First of all, if
a person has big box woods and they're getting hit
(12:29):
very hard, and this is the first you've seen a
box tree moth. A handy thing to do is just
simply wait until you know they shut down, wait till
they go dormant, because you don't want to stimulate new
growth that just you know, in the fall before you
have freeze and cross right and just cut them back.
That's something that that I'm very surprised. You know, even
(12:52):
some very good landscapers out there aren't taking advantage of
rejuvenation pruning, right ron. I mean you and I know
that that box woods forever, you could do that. So
if you cut them back the damage but not now,
wait until everything shuts down. How you can do it
anytime early spring and and I've been watching this happen
(13:19):
and it is amazing. You know, I did it when
I was a landscape manager and it always was amazing.
Boxwoods really respond well to that and you get a
very nice, tight growth. So that's if you have the damage.
Spray now may not catch the caterpillars because like I said, uh,
this insect does some strange things. You know, we see
(13:41):
it shutting down early in some locations. Uh, so there
may not be more caterpillars. On the other hand, you know,
just a population up in Dayton hasn't shut down, so
again a little you know what we call asynchrony, meaning
they're not synchronized.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
We are still we are still getting samples at the
outlet caterpillars. Yeah, with caterpillars, so you know, but the
issue is you could have caterpillars, the early in star caterpillar,
the very young caterpillars.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
We're already starting to see the structures called hybernaculum, and
you really are. They're very hard to find. I mean,
if you know what you're looking for, you find them
pretty easy. It's a little it's it's just a little
silk house. That's where the caterpillars weave together some of
the leaves and and and that's where they overwinter, little
tiny caterpillars. And that's the overwintering stage. So once they
(14:37):
enter that stage, in secticides won't touch them. So you
could kill the caterpillars that are evident that are out there,
and okay, you're going to do something, but you won't
kill the ones that are in the hibernacula. My main
point is just make certain that in the spring, as
soon as things warm up, and you and I talked
(14:57):
about this this past spring. Remember we were getting all
this for a while there. We were getting a lot
of emails and phone calls about a lot of damage
happening quickly. That's because those overwintering caterpillars are I mean,
they're starved, so they come out and they start feeding grociously.
And if you can suppress those caterpillars, it goes a
(15:17):
long way towards protecting those box woods. The rest this season,
it's been amazing this year. You know, one application may
or may not do it. That's my point. You still
need to monitor, and we're talking landscapes, not nurseries. You
still need the monitor, but it's extremely important to discover
(15:38):
them early. That's that's the message. The third message though,
and this is very exciting, and again these are some
of the things we have brought up before, but we
now have very good data developing thanks to doctor Teresa Colley.
You and I have both known Teresa. She did a
lot of the groundbreaking work on helping us to learn
about calorie pair you know, and why we started seeing
(16:02):
so many of them escape. Well, she has a background
and she in genetic studies in terms of being able
to take plant material and do genetic typing. So that
we can tell one boxwood from the other run And
what's exciting is that she got a grant from the
Horticulture Research Institute. And I know, you guys, the industry
(16:24):
strongly supports that research arm and so so HRI she
got a grant from them to do this. She went
around and got and took samples from boxwoods that were
showing resistance to box tream off and then also very
importantly those that weren't. Now the National Arboretum in Washington,
(16:48):
d C. Has a big boxwood collection, well, they genetically
typed those boxwoods, and so this season Teresa, along with
a few other folks, selected boxwoods based on her genetic studies,
that would be that they predicted would be resistant and
(17:08):
those that would be susceptible, again based on the genetics
and ron it is amazing. I just visited the site
Wednesday and they are boxwoods sitting there that are just
totally hammered. I mean they're sticks right next to boxwoods
that are just totally green. Now, when I say totally green,
(17:30):
keep something in mind. Those boxes probably have, you know,
some fairly substantial amount of Asian genetics, because that's where
this insect came from. But also we know that you know,
boxwoods are native to Asia, they're native to Europe. They're
not native to the United States, so it would be
(17:51):
you know, we anticipated that well you know in Asia,
in China, for example, box tree moth isn't a problem
because because they co evolved and the plants have defenses.
And that's what we're seeing, except some of these boxwoods
that are resistant don't have I mean, they look like
(18:11):
European boxwoods. And this is very, very exciting because if
we did this the old fashioned way, where we had
put out we'd just say, all right, let's you know,
let's just plan out a bunch of boxwoods and see
what happens and then make our selections and then do
it again and then start making crosses. As you know
(18:32):
ron and that plant selection and propagation can take years.
So the take home is the genetic studies are taking
years off of developing resistant boxwoods. But even now though
just based on observations, we you know, I believe you
(18:54):
guys have box woods that are resistant. I mean, we
already know there's some boxwoods that are resistant that it's
just that Okay, now we can breed more towards the
direction of boxwoods that are resistant. And that's the real
take home message. Don't give up on this really important
landscape plant because the one thing about box woods when
(19:17):
people say, well, I'm just going to replace them, what
I always say or ask, Okay, that's fantastic, replace them
if you want to. In terms of diversity, that's good,
except which plants are going to use that are deer resistant.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yep, right or growing yeah yeah yeah, or take the
condition that that box wood's growing in exactly. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
So the final thing is go Bucks, go bos.
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twelve to four o'clock.
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Yes, yes, oh, I owe.
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Ron can help at one eight hundred eighty two three
talk This Is in the Garden with Ron Wilson
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson, this
time for the Buggy Joe Bog's Departments of Joe Bobbs.
This is a professor commercial orders anyway, It's not university extension.
Now is your apartment at Toomology, A co creator of
Mother Coffee and for him where every cup of Joe
as bold as King Cadora, yet smooth at mathrous Jokie
Wings website is uh. I started to say, bogs bygl
(00:22):
dot orshow dot eedu ladies and gentlemen, mister common sens
it go himself, Buggy Joe Boggs, Hello Joe, Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Run. Let's just skip right ahead to the big show today.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
The Big Show. Do you like coconut cream pie show?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I love coconut cream pieh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yes, Rita's recipe is so easy. I am going to
actually go home today before the big game at noon
and make myself a coconut cream pie.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Do you know what is the coconut cream banana cream?
I just shot man, ah man. I tell you that
you were a.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Kid, did you take vanilla wafers, put them in a glass,
pour milk on it, crush them all up and eat
that like a paste.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yes I did. I didn't do that. I mean, who
didn't do this? Weird and wonderful. I mean, it's a
wonder that we survived our misadventures and eating right, well
eating what.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Now they're saying, kids, kids need to get out and
eat some dirt. You know, you and I are always
out there with dirt on our hands and doing stuff. Kids.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You never know where this is going.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Kids, they don't do that anymore. So now they're saying,
kids need to get out and play in the mud,
stick your hands in your in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Oh goodness, I'm thinking of the I'm thinking of the
movie Raising Arizona. Now, there are very few people will
get this, this this reference. But when the main characters
in jail and his cell mate starts talking about, you know,
they when they were so poor, and he goes down
(02:10):
the list, you know, and we are so poor we
didn't have when we didn't have earth from arms we
eat or or something like that, I just I just well, yes,
I tell you. Well, okay, so we're the coconut cream.
You're Rita has a great recipe. I'm gonna have to
check that out.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's really simple. Now I'm not gonna make the crust. Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna stop at the grocery store and
I'm gonna get the crust. But the rest of this stuff,
I mean, of course it's Rena's recipes are easy. They're quick.
Slap this thing together in fifteen minutes, put it in
a refrigerator, and by the time we were at the
halftime for the big game at noon, I'll be having
(02:50):
myself some coconut cream pilo with my beer.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, now, now I'm just visualizing this. You know, a
big coconut cream pie is sitting there, well just kind
of you know, you're just holding it in front of
you with a with a with a cool one in
the other hand. Who's going to feed you the pie? Though,
I'll figure I'll figure that went out.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
What's good about this one is she puts a lot
of coconut in with the coconut cream as well as
on top of the pie.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, I'll tell you that. The only downside for me
was I'm the only one in the family that likes coconut.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I'm the only one in our family likes coconuts. No
downside to that, Joe, Well, that's outside is that.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, I realized that, you know, when we stop in
a pie shop, we can have one all to ourselves.
But you know, very seldom could I ever get, you know,
a coconut cream pie because.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Unless I buy one, you know, no, well.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's actually actually now I think, well, no, there's some
of these really great pie places. Yeah, yah, yeah, that's
right now I think about it. I never well, yeah,
there is oh yes, silent. He said that they just
got quiet. You know, people just stopped the listeners. They
(04:16):
were all into it. They went oh yeah yeah. I
was like, oh, now that that needed to be a
screeching halt. You need to get the sound effects of
a car just screeching though, because then.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I work with what I had.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I heard from Jerry Rose our giant pumpkin growers up
in Huntsburg. Uh oh yeah, yeah, you know he's told
me about he lis kind of in a valley up there.
How much difference their weather can be compared to the
rest of the state of Ohio. He sent me. He
sent me a picture of his uh of his thermometer
this morning. Course, he's growing those giant pumpkins, so he
(04:51):
has to attect them. Hes him in a high tunnel
forty three degrees this morning in Huntsburg.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
That is amazing. He's up in that frost area.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, he gets frost, he gets snowed early, he gets
all that stuff. You'll have snow in two weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You know. That's uh, it's so strange when you think about, uh,
you know these you know, weird weather. You're out west, right,
I mean the mountains and you have so many you know,
the altitudes, and with Ohio, you don't think of that.
With Ohio, you we tend not to think about, you know, valleys,
We tend not to think that elevational differences, and but
(05:31):
they do occur, and they you know, theycur throughout the
Appalachian Range. And it's just to me, I always found
that fast thing. You know, there are places in West
Virginia where same thing. It could be five miles away
and and they're having a killing frost, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So what you know, and you've got your coconut sunscreen.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
On, and I got my coconut cream pie. You know,
I never did.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I could never. I could never use coconut screens, coconut
smelling uh sunscreen, because I'd put it in a spoon. Yeah,
I'd want to you know.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, well I never did think of something though that.
I'm sure some listeners are thinking, well, okay, they weren't
thirty five dollars when we were when we were a
little bit a bit young, we had younger families, and
we should have probably just considered the upside that if
we got a whole pie, we had it all to ourselves.
I never even thought of that, Ron, I don't think
(06:25):
I ever did that. Yeah, I never, that's right, yeah, yeah,
uh huh.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Hey Joe, are you any bugs and diseases or anything?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, it is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Here was my summary. I do a little wrap up
for everybody at work so they have to what we're
seeing and hearing. Here are my Here are my summaries
for this week of the bugs and diseases that you'll
probably be asked about. Crab apples dropping leaves like crazy
and look horrible. What's the you know, what's the disease
that's wiping out crab apples? Uh, which of course they're not,
(07:01):
but anyway, Magnolias with black stoody stems and leaves and
puffy things on the branches, and flies and bees and wasps,
maple trees losing their color, branch, die back bag wording
on evergreens, needles gone in those area. And what are
these red and black bugs on my milkweed?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You know that? Is that just about covers at all?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
There's one that didn't one.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh yeah, boy, that has taken.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Us dominant question.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, so box tree moth has been uh, it's been
really interesting in terms of this is I guess I'm
just gonna say it bluntly, this is absolutely the worst
time to discover them because they're basically getting they're so
close to the end of the season. As a matter
of fact, we don't quite understand some of the seasonal
(07:58):
history that we're seeing because we tend to think of
insects in the summer, you know, running out as long
as they can, you know, before a frost. In other words,
we still have a lot of warm weather left left.
You know you mentioned tomatoes for example, Well, I've had,
I mean, I've had some fantastic tomatoes this year, mainly
(08:21):
because you and I you may not you may remember
this early in the season. And now you're gonna throw
the test at me. I'm going to fail it because
I need to go out and get the tags. But
I have three to only have three tomato plants. It's
all the rum I had, and they are some of
the best tomatoes based on doing a little research talking
(08:42):
with you and uh and and and then trying some
new varieties. They've just done very well this year also,
And the main high point was if you recall, you know,
they also attracted you know, the hornworms, so I can
take pictures of them and report about them. That's I
mean to me, my wife doesn't appreciate it, but to me,
(09:05):
that's a high point. Although she got to see the
cocoons coming out of these things, the cocoons of the
very said what more. I mean, it was a wonderful
tomato season.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The tomatoes a bonus.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They were. Yeah, they were kind of a side side show.
That's as to be perfectly honest, but it's been it's
been such an interesting season this year. And now that
we're starting to come to close, people think, well, after
labor Day, it's like not going to the pool. You know,
nothing's going to happen. That box tree moth is strange.
(09:40):
It is a attended We have to always remit a
non natives, so it didn't evolve, you know, in this
part of the world, and and we're just at the
end of it doing its damage. But of course this
is the time of year when we've gone through the
highest population, so people start seeing the damage. I want
(10:01):
to stress this and I want us to come back
to it after the break, I think, and my offer
of my desk battle on time.
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Speaker 1 (11:47):
Welcome back. You're in the guarden with Ron Wilson. Hello Joe.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Hello, Le's you go?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Joe? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
The mystery is where did Joe go?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I put another quarter in the phone?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It's thirty five not a quarter? Is it fifty cents?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah? You do recognize that we just there's a certain
demographic that has no idea what we're talking about, right, yeah, right,
In fact, probably the vast majority. I just at any rate.
So back to box tree moth. First of all, if
a person has big box woods and they're getting hit
(12:29):
very hard, and this is the first you've seen a
box tree moth. A handy thing to do is just
simply wait until you know they shut down, wait till
they go dormant, because you don't want to stimulate new
growth that just you know, in the fall before you
have freeze and cross right and just cut them back.
That's something that that I'm very surprised. You know, even
(12:52):
some very good landscapers out there aren't taking advantage of
rejuvenation pruning, right ron. I mean you and I know
that that box woods forever, you could do that. So
if you cut them back the damage but not now,
wait until everything shuts down. How you can do it
anytime early spring and and I've been watching this happen
(13:19):
and it is amazing. You know, I did it when
I was a landscape manager and it always was amazing.
Boxwoods really respond well to that and you get a
very nice, tight growth. So that's if you have the damage.
Spray now may not catch the caterpillars because like I said, uh,
this insect does some strange things. You know, we see
(13:41):
it shutting down early in some locations. Uh, so there
may not be more caterpillars. On the other hand, you know,
just a population up in Dayton hasn't shut down, so
again a little you know what we call asynchrony, meaning
they're not synchronized.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
We are still we are still getting samples at the
outlet caterpillars. Yeah, with caterpillars, so you know, but the
issue is you could have caterpillars, the early in star caterpillar,
the very young caterpillars.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
We're already starting to see the structures called hybernaculum, and
you really are. They're very hard to find. I mean,
if you know what you're looking for, you find them
pretty easy. It's a little it's it's just a little
silk house. That's where the caterpillars weave together some of
the leaves and and and that's where they overwinter, little
tiny caterpillars. And that's the overwintering stage. So once they
(14:37):
enter that stage, in secticides won't touch them. So you
could kill the caterpillars that are evident that are out there,
and okay, you're going to do something, but you won't
kill the ones that are in the hibernacula. My main
point is just make certain that in the spring, as
soon as things warm up, and you and I talked
(14:57):
about this this past spring. Remember we were getting all
this for a while there. We were getting a lot
of emails and phone calls about a lot of damage
happening quickly. That's because those overwintering caterpillars are I mean,
they're starved, so they come out and they start feeding grociously.
And if you can suppress those caterpillars, it goes a
(15:17):
long way towards protecting those box woods. The rest this season,
it's been amazing this year. You know, one application may
or may not do it. That's my point. You still
need to monitor, and we're talking landscapes, not nurseries. You
still need the monitor, but it's extremely important to discover
(15:38):
them early. That's that's the message. The third message though,
and this is very exciting, and again these are some
of the things we have brought up before, but we
now have very good data developing thanks to doctor Teresa Colley.
You and I have both known Teresa. She did a
lot of the groundbreaking work on helping us to learn
about calorie pair you know, and why we started seeing
(16:02):
so many of them escape. Well, she has a background
and she in genetic studies in terms of being able
to take plant material and do genetic typing. So that
we can tell one boxwood from the other run And
what's exciting is that she got a grant from the
Horticulture Research Institute. And I know, you guys, the industry
(16:24):
strongly supports that research arm and so so HRI she
got a grant from them to do this. She went
around and got and took samples from boxwoods that were
showing resistance to box tream off and then also very
importantly those that weren't. Now the National Arboretum in Washington,
(16:48):
d C. Has a big boxwood collection, well, they genetically
typed those boxwoods, and so this season Teresa, along with
a few other folks, selected boxwoods based on her genetic studies,
that would be that they predicted would be resistant and
(17:08):
those that would be susceptible, again based on the genetics
and ron it is amazing. I just visited the site
Wednesday and they are boxwoods sitting there that are just
totally hammered. I mean they're sticks right next to boxwoods
that are just totally green. Now, when I say totally green,
(17:30):
keep something in mind. Those boxes probably have, you know,
some fairly substantial amount of Asian genetics, because that's where
this insect came from. But also we know that you know,
boxwoods are native to Asia, they're native to Europe. They're
not native to the United States, so it would be
(17:51):
you know, we anticipated that well you know in Asia,
in China, for example, box tree moth isn't a problem
because because they co evolved and the plants have defenses.
And that's what we're seeing, except some of these boxwoods
that are resistant don't have I mean, they look like
(18:11):
European boxwoods. And this is very, very exciting because if
we did this the old fashioned way, where we had
put out we'd just say, all right, let's you know,
let's just plan out a bunch of boxwoods and see
what happens and then make our selections and then do
it again and then start making crosses. As you know
(18:32):
ron and that plant selection and propagation can take years.
So the take home is the genetic studies are taking
years off of developing resistant boxwoods. But even now though
just based on observations, we you know, I believe you
(18:54):
guys have box woods that are resistant. I mean, we
already know there's some boxwoods that are resistant that it's
just that Okay, now we can breed more towards the
direction of boxwoods that are resistant. And that's the real
take home message. Don't give up on this really important
landscape plant because the one thing about box woods when
(19:17):
people say, well, I'm just going to replace them, what
I always say or ask, Okay, that's fantastic, replace them
if you want to. In terms of diversity, that's good,
except which plants are going to use that are deer resistant.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yep, right or growing yeah yeah yeah, or take the
condition that that box wood's growing in exactly. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
So the final thing is go Bucks, go bos.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I know where you're going to be today from about
twelve to four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yes, yes, oh, I owe.
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So Danny, thank you so much for all that you do.
Now do yourself a favor. We're there this planting time.
We're gonna plant a tree or two or three. Keep
planting those native plants and native selections. Pamper your worms,
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