THE Buggy Joe Boggs Report 6/21/2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. We're
just gonna keep talking to bugs. We go from the
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(00:25):
OSU dot edu, Ladies and gentlemen, mister common sensical himself,
Buggy Joe Bob.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good morning, Good morning, sir, Good morning. How you doing.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I am good. Are you feeling better?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I am doing great. I'll tell you it's just everything
is finally coming together this season, you know, feeling good,
getting hot. The insects are out in droves, lightning beetles.
I mean it's just oh, in periodical cicadas. What more
can I say?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
We saw our first light beetle in our backyard a
couple of nights ago. It's incredible, I said, lightning beetle
I am very well.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I look, I give everyone a pass on that because
about half the time it's lightning bug for me too.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
If you until ten years ago when we met Buggy
Joe Boggs.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, and I'm going to be sporting for Father's Day.
My daughter gave me a shirt that says, wait, I
see a bug.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
That is you, I'm going to be I would hope. So. Hey,
by the way, you know what a spit poultice is, right.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm sorry?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I dropped my ear piece.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
What spit spit poultice?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, I I thought you said that. No, what is that?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, it's when you take like a little piece of
leaf of tobacco and you chew it, get it all sliming,
and put it on something like a poultice, a police poultice. Yes,
through that term out this morning?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Where is that heading?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I just, being from West Virginia, I figured you would
know the term spit poultice.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I never heard it called a spit poultice. Now I
know about tobacco poultice and spit poultice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's well, I'll tell you it is. Uh, some of
some of our old ways except I'm not too sure
about a spit poultice. I mean it, you know, it

(02:43):
just depends I guess. I guess it just depends on
what you know, what, what's what person has.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Been eating, who's doing. Yeah, that's what it boils down to.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
That's what it boils down to. So all right, what
are we going to talk about that?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I'm going to get started with. I'm going to get
you started with the cicadas which we've been experiencing in
our area. Now finally you can tell just by the
sound we're over the peak.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
We're getting over the peak we have.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh yeah, but not like they used to be, not.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Like they were exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right, And the flagging is starting to show.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
The flagging is starting. I hope you appreciated. You know,
I did the posting yesterday, the lead picture. Did you
see what was in the background.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's the Mason water tank. I took it, Yes, I
took it at Dixon Park, and I thought I got
to get that in there because that'll be a nice
you know, because you're I'll tell you your your your mom's home,
the that area, your your pseudo stomping grounds. I guess
we're your stomping grounds. Now it has been it has

(03:58):
really been a bit of a centerpiece for for cicadas.
What do you think of that? I mean it's just
been something.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Did you have a lot right at your hat your home?
I mean I've been No. Now that's that is interesting,
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
And any flagging, some some chirping, but not much. I
mean I knew, we knew they were there. We've got
some carcasses on the swing, you know, the usual thing.
But no, not that, not like at my mom's house.
Jeezy where everywhere, I mean here Ginkgo tree was loaded
with him. Corner of uh, nobody knows where this is,

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but fields Irtle and Snyder. That was just yeah, they
had the construction crews there. It's worth it's worth getting
the red light so you can watch those guys because
all of a sudden you see him throwing their hats
in the air and jumping around.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
It's just they This brood has been very interesting. You know,
we had a of course last year. A lot of
listeners are saying, wait a second, you know, you can't
top what we had last year. You know, those folks
in the southern part of the United States really really
had a big emergence, but they probably experienced this as well.
You know, where you can have huge numbers. I mean,

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as you just said, they're just flying everywhere, you know,
flying at your car, you know, flying all over an
you drive down the road a short distance and nothing
just yeah, it's just like you're in a different.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Part a quarter of a mile or less.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, that's right, I mean where you live to where
they're really heavy, you could almost walk easily. Yeah, So yeah,
it's been lot on the I've ever told you this
story when during the emergence in twenty twenty one, we
had we had a car that you know had some
well you know, this day and age, you have a

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little bit of self driving all just about every car,
you know, where you can where it will you know,
remain between the lines or at the very least, you know,
remain a certain distance from the car in front of you. Right,
So there's there's a lot you know, that's it's it's common. Well,
it was kind of new for us in twenty twenty one.
In fact, it was very new and uh and we

(06:11):
were going to we were going down Louisville and uh
and the car was new and I thought, boy, this
is great. You know, this will be really something to
you know, to try out. So you know, I hit
all the buttons and set it up, you know, and
and the way we go, and then it started acting
really goofy ron. I mean it started like speeding up

(06:32):
and slowing down and and you know, and I didn't
even dare put the lane you know, assistance on because
I had it on for a second, but then it
just started and uh and finally I thought, well, we
got something's wrong here. So the rest off. He pulled
off and I got out, walked around. There was a
cicada sitting right on top camera. My life and I

(06:57):
still talk about that. It's just like it was probably
using his little tarsy to say, I'm going to fix you,
but it.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Was it was, let's make them slow down.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah we're really having fun now. But uh but yeah,
you know that emergence was fairly heavy. But this one,
this one, the singing has been extremely loud, much louder
than I've ever experienced, quite frankly, and just to sheer numbers.
And I think we're going to see a lot of

(07:30):
flagging and of course that's where the tips die back.
Which does not cause any harm to any tree over
what about ten feet tall maybe a little less.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Smaller trees obviously will you could affect them, But yeah,
you get to affect them a bit in the medium size,
larger trees. It's just a natural pruning, exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
And as we keep reminding people, you know, our periodical
cicadas and our trees grew up together. So even and
I mean, you know, the non native trees, you might say, well,
what about Joe, You wrote that you're seeing egg laying
on ginko and you mentioned ginko, and of course I
egg laying on don redwood. Well, it still doesn't hurt

(08:14):
those trees, because the cicadas have evolved with other trees
to not kill them, if that makes sense. But basically, yeah,
basically the tree just serves as a repository for the eggs.
And I did an alert and I hope, I hope
it came out. I did some graphics this time showing

(08:35):
exactly kind of trying to demonstrate exactly how the cicada
lays eggs. It's it's it's kind of an interesting thing
to see. You can see a shot of her, or
of the cicada with her overpositor egg layer into the
stem and she will insert that and that that overpositor

(08:55):
is like a nail run it is. It is hard
as all get out. In the fact, it actually has
incorporated in some metals that makes it even harder than
the rest of the insects. So it's kind of a
interesting structure that we don't find another insects commonly. But
she jabs that into the stem and then the eggs

(09:19):
come out just like It's like about the best thing
I can describe dates me. And you you know, when
an airline used to arrive, they used to have a gangway.
They used to have a staircase that went up to it, right,
and everybody just kind of came off on that. Well,
of course now they don't do that, but if you
picture that, that's exactly how the eggs are being inserted

(09:42):
into the stem, one after the other, like soldiers marching
by one behind the other. And then she pulls the
ovopositor out and just moves forward a little bit, maybe
about a quarter inch, maybe half an inch, maybe even less,
and jabs in again and lays another clutch of eggs.
As I said on My Big Old Alert, I tried

(10:02):
to capture that. I don't know if I did a
good a good job of it, but you can sort
of see exactly how that process occurs. But the whole
idea is really that's the only interaction that she basically
has with the tree, just jabbing eggs into it. She
does what she can withdraw a little bit of water

(10:25):
from the xyland, but doesn't feed much and doesn't cause
any damage. So when you think about it, you know,
the tree might as well just be a you know,
a peep, just any other piece of wood.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Right, yeah, you're right, So we gotta take a break.
But I have real quick. I brought this piece in
with me because I've never seen this before, and Ken
Nator gave me this yesterday. His ash tree was losing
leaves like crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, where am.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
I headed with us? Two places? What? But go ahead?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well I have shots that from Dixon Park of a
very heavy leaf loss from Owen Ash And there were
two problems. One was the cicadas who were laying eggs
and that will trigger that. The other, though, was intractnos,
which was causing leaf loss.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well he doesn't he doesn't have anthractnos, but he has
the cicadas. But the cicada eggs are in that is
it is? I well, yeah, the rat chews that's actually
the oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah yeah, the main stem also attached to the main stem.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well yeah, they're a little narrow sixteenth of an inch
in diameter piece of wood and we have after Yeah,
there are exactly three eighths of an inch apart from
each other. I mean she measured it out when she
put these in there. How quick break we come back.
We'll talk more with Buggy Joe Box here in the

(11:56):
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Speaker 1 (13:23):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Don't
forget our website, Ron Wilson Online dot com, Facebook page
in the Garden with Ron Wilson, OSU great website. Go
to theirs b yg L dot o SU dot e
edu and you'll find the recent posting of the cicadas
that Joe's talking about. And it's time for part two
of Buggy to Bobs talking about these cicadas actually laying

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eggs in these roches. Roch you Roger Hi, they're escause
it's not the petti.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
All it's not the petty. Oh, you're right, you're right.
It is interesting. There are these different these different words,
and I'm going to throw another one out. So that's
one that I almost don't even try. Ron seriously, I
mess it up. Racus is another playout racus, right, that's

(14:16):
not it. And then there's another one, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
If you look at Actually, I think is the better way.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I think I've heard it pronounced that way, but I'm
not sure. But you know, sometimes I pronounced you know,
my first name, you know, Jael instead of Joe. It
just it just depends, right, I don't know. By the way,
I need to say this very quickly, what a great
interview with Olivia. I'm really that was uh really fantastic.

(14:47):
She really is. She's an outstanding speaker. I've had the
you know, the luck, pleasure or whatever to have have
met her a couple of times and heard her speak
a couple of times, and the great speaker, fantastic with identifying,
not just identifying. That sort of puts it just kind

(15:08):
of at a straightforward level, not only identifying, but talking
about the behavior of these different bees under different circumstances
and different ecosystems and you know, around one thing that
spent happening in last would you say, probably ten to
fifteen years. I mean, certainly it's accelerated over the last

(15:29):
ten years where people are starting to recognize that just
the significance, as the title of her book says, bees
in your Backyard, that more and more folks are taking
a very close look at exactly what's going on there
and of course how they interact, you know, with their environment,

(15:52):
and so you know, experts like Olivia and others just
it really does enrich our knowledge of what's going going on.
I'm sorry, I had to get on. I meant to
do that right off the bat as soon as I
came on and occurred to me during the raik. Oh
my goodness, I need to say something because that was
great that you had her on and that is a

(16:12):
great book.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Oh yeah, we've had it on a couple of times.
She's I mean, she's just fun. When this book first
came out, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Of course you can tell me that's right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
And it's she's yeah. I was when I found out
she was going to be in Ohio and this, you know,
said hey, can we get her on the show, and
I said, absolutely, she's always a great time.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's fantastic. Oh yeah, yeah on Arka, Appalachia. That's a
neat that's a neat area over there. We're gona have
to go on a road trip.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Well I looked at I looked at the food play,
the restaurants there. I got a whole list of them.
Oh really, Oh yeah, I got the list of ways
where you can eat in Bainbridge and it's a I
I did make sure she knew there was a dairy
queen there so lest she can get ice cream. But yeah,
dinners and Minnnight Bakery and oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh bakery. Sorry, I just, oh no, where where were we?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I drifted away, you know what? But I knew you
were going to say, I absolutely, but I ken and
I had never seen them lay eggs in that particular.
I didn't have any idea that they did that.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
So, you know, you learn every day, well you do
in twenty twenty one. You know, when I last big
emergency ras racus racus, I think, yeah, and then Pete,
so I got to say this because this is really so,

(17:45):
how do you tell a buck eye from a horse chestnut?
If you looked at the lead of the compound leaf,
and I didn't. I mean I've ron honestly and truly
I've given up over the year years trying to tell
you know, in the genie escalus, of course, we have
a group called you know, buck eyes. We have another
part called horse chestnuts, right and so, and you know, okay,

(18:07):
you've got you know, sticky budge, you have you know
the Yeah, that's I mean a lot of different things.
Oh geez, but doctor, she'd say. An Shannon did her
PhD research. She's with Osh Extension in Lake Kenty, Ohio
up there working with the nurseries. She did her PhD

(18:28):
on Escalus on buck eyes and horse chestnuts, and about
a few years ago this came up on one of
our Zoom meetings and and she just laid it out.
She said, A sure fired way is if you take
a look at the lead of the compound leaf, you know,
it kind of looks like your hand, right, I mean,
the leaflets are like the fingers on both horse chestnuts

(18:49):
and buckeyes. If if you see a little a little stem,
it almost looks you know, so the leaflet so attaches
at the center point, and then you have the petio
attaches to the tree.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
If there's a.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Little stem on the bottom of the leaflet's attaching it
to that centerpiece, that's a buckeye, and that little stem
it's called a Oh petty, I came and said, petty
Louie something like that. I can never pronounce it. But

(19:26):
then on horse chestnuts, if you take a look at
that compound leaf, the leaflet's attached directly to that center point.
And that's a surefired way. Except for the hybrids, you're
gonna get it right every time. But I can't pronounce
why why? I just don't know why. You just said

(19:48):
why didn't you why? But who's on second?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I don't know. Hey, Joe, always a pleasure byg l
dot O su dot e du. We'll talk to you
next Saturday. You take care on.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I have a great week, all.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Right, Bye, bye, Bucky Joe Boggs right there. Thanks to
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(20:21):
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