THE Buggy Joe Boggs Report 7/12/2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Wilson in
this time for the Buggy Joe Boggs reportant Mister Joe
Boggs and says a professor commercial horder, coach, educator for
the ol House State University Extension Issue Department of Entomology,
host a boy for OSUE Extension, co creator of Mothra
Coffee imp him the website b Y G L dot
O s U dot E d U, Ladies and gentlemen.

(00:23):
Mister common sense. He called himself Buggy Joe Bogs. Hello Joe,
Hello Joe.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hello. You got the coffee and uh we've got the conversation.
Coffee conversation can't be better than.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
There, coffee and conversation. Uh no, Hey, are you ready
for Are you ready for a road trip?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm I'm always ready for a road trip.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I uh we are headed to Cape Cod.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh my gosh, what bought that on?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh? Starting tomorrow it's the Cape Cod Hydrangia Festival.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Oh my goodness. Life doesn't get any better than that,
does it.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's a four day event.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Wow? Jeez? You know hid you beer?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
You know hydrangea food? Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
You look at gardens and everything?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Eating a few probably a few crabs and some lobsters
and lobster and.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, hydra. You know, I didn't know this. I got
a question. I had a question a few years ago
from a grower out, you know, in the Cape Cod area,
and I did not know that they have they have
some huge hydrangea plantings. And and then I saw it,
you know, online and in some kind of publication, you know,

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one of the one of the professional magazines of horticulture magazines.
And that really surprised me. I just did not know that.
Apparently they're fairly well known for that. So a festival
makes good sense, doesn't yep.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
And I think most a lot of them are the macrofilas,
which do well there. And of course then you get
all the different blues and pinks and lavenders. They get
a really good assortment of colors with the pH of
the soil, so they do really well. So it's quite
a show. Then you come back and you're all excited
and they don't perform quite as well here, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
It isn't that the way of things, you know, It's
like we spot a fantastic plant usually, you know, when
we're visiting somewhere else, right, Rodney and this is a
good example. You're visiting somewhere else and just I've got
to have that. I must have that my landscaping. And
of course then you bring it back and you know,

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you get the wah wah. Yeah. One plant though, one
tree that has been forever just a heartbreak for me.
And you know, I love purple. I like plants. I
like trees that they get the purplish foliage in general,
My wife I don't like that color as much as
I do. But I've always liked that Canada red cherry. Yeah,

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one of my favorite, Oh my gosh, one of my favorites.
And who knew that it was so susceptible to black
None of us knew, you, I mean no one. It
never showed up. And there's an interesting there. There must
be an interesting story there someplace, because that came out
of what schumard cherry. And I think that the Canada

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red part, you know, came from selections that that that
weren't from around here, as we say, right, Yeah. Point being,
point being is that obviously where that was selected, the
disease wasn't a problem. You know, it would have it
would have shown up. So that's always kind of The
risk with as you know, plant breeding, is that that

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you take it to another location. Crab apples, for example,
very seldom get apple scab out in the drier Pacific,
nor in the drier Western States, whereas here, you know,
we've already seen the leaf loss. Right, So different locations
because of different weather, different environmental conditions, and the plant

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behaves differently. I don't know where I'm going either.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I had a great email question this week. Somebody said, Ron,
can you explain to me why all the crab apples
are dying in our area?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah? There you go, really does They're.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Not dying, but let me explain to you. Please explain
they look I just told them, I said, let me
let me give you all the reasons why they look
like they look right.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now, this and and the environmental side of things. You know,
we teach this when we teach about diseases. You know,
the disease triangle. You know, you have to have an
environmental you have to have environmental conditions conduce to infection.
You have to have a susceptible host, and then finally
you have to have the pathogen. You know, if you

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don't have the pathogen, you won't have a disease developing.
But here's what's very very important with that disease triangles.
You have to have all three at the same time.
If you if you lose one, you end up not
having the disease development. So, for example, you know, out
in the drier Western States with apple scab, the pathogen

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may be there in very low at a very low level,
and maybe a crab apple that we couldnt get past
first of July here in Ohio with all the leaves gone,
highly susceptible. However, I keep saying, the dry conditions of
the of the Western States this spring was just ideal
for a number of diseases, apple scab in particular. And

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so so there you have it. And and here's what
I'm also getting some email about, well, this wasn't this
wasn't a problem you know last year or year before.
I mean, they've never seen the tree do this this
bad before. And there you have it. It's just okay,
the environmental conditions were just so incredible for infection. On

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the other hand, when we summarize this season, and I'm
hearing this not just in Ohio, I'm hearing this elsewhere.
Some disease a disease group that I'm very surprised. Just
isn't running rampant? Would be the enthract noos diseases. I
really thought this year that we wouldn't. We'd have huge

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amount of oak and tract nose, maple and tract nose,
sycamore and tract nos. And for for the listeners that that, okay,
I haven't come across that term before. I'm saying a
group of diseases. They are different fungi, but they are
and they are specific to their hosts. So maple and
thract nots that fungus will not infect oaks and vice versa.

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We see pockets and I've gotten some pictures and reports
of the foliation, but ron honestly, I thought it would
be rampant. I don't have an explanation. The environment was perfect,
I think you see it. Well, it's same way. The
only thing now, I have gotten multiple reports pictures leaves
of you know, and obviously I can never be one

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hundred percent correct, but look like anthragonos on maple, but
I have not gotten them. And typically it's like sycamores.
You know, you get all that. You know, ash Ash
always got it. Uh you know, Yeah, you're right, And
but I The only one I've seen so far this
year has been Maples, which I thought was kind of interesting.
So yeah, and I agree with you, And you know,

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I thought I would have seen more as well. By
the way, uh a, gentleman, I don't I don't know
if I afford this to you or not, but Matt
Stutter sent me a picture of a stag beetle. This
thing is huge, he said, I'll bet, I'll bet Buggie
Joe loves these. Well, yeah, it's it's true. What did
it have? Huge mandible?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
It's got unbelo large It's one of the biggest ones
I think I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
You know, I have very few pictures of stag beetles,
So the ones that have the huge mandibles, and they
really do look threatening. Those they have, you know, and
they can open it well. Of course, unfortunately they with
the size of the mandibles, they've kind of lost the power,
so they at best they just kind of pinch. But

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those with the huge mandibles are the males kind of
think of. I love the name stag because that obviously
works the same way with deer, right, you know, the deer,
it's the white tail deer. It's the males that have
the but they have the antlers. But but that is
stag beetles. And you know, if you go online and

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do a little I just did this again. Uh you know, UK,
you'll find that there's a great interest with stag beetles
elsewhere in the world as well, not just here. But
I don't I don't see enough of them for my
to me, I'll take a lot of pictures, believe it
or not, I don't have many pictures of them. But

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aren't they're just startling looking things?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Oh yeah, he he kind of said that it's he
sent it to Buggy Joe Bangles, Buggy Joe Bagels. But
he said, I bet by you Joe love this one.
Said yes, he will will make sure we get that
to him. So I will. There you go all forward
that onto you. They got to take a break. But
I have a quick question for you, Civic Garden Center.
You want to go to one of the classes on Wednesday,
August the sixth with.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Me, depending on who is teaching it. Now, who's teaching it?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I don't know who's teaching it. But I don't I
don't know. But it's called incredible Edible Insects.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh no, I told you.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
I told you he wouldn't do it. I told you
he would not go.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Not buggy, Joe.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Ain't gonna do it right there. Quick break you can,
quick break, We'll come back and more with a bug
of Joe Boggs report here in the garden with Ron
Wilson landscaping ladies.

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Speaker 1 (11:31):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for Part two with the Buggy Joe Boggs. Important, mister
Joe Buggs OSU Extension b yg L dot os U
dot E d U. Hello Joe Keller.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Ron. You know, I you know, before the break the
subject that came up with the offer of the road
trip and you know, an evening I guess it is
during the evening. Is that what I'm hearing at the
Civic Garden Center? Oh the yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, caused
me to really take a second look at my coffee.

(12:08):
I mean, I have to tell you I'm still I'm
just still not over it something that yes, I'll tell
you well a couple of things. Uh. But what I
really like about when we get started with our discussions
every Saturday morning is how often they're going to be
we never know what. It's just like what happens outside

(12:29):
with us still, you know, you would go outside and
every day and we looked around and boom, you know,
something something appears that we didn't expect. Like, for example,
we could be walking around looking at purple cone flowers
and uh, by golly, maybe the heads are dangling there,
or they have no heads at all, off with their heads,
you know, maybe they're decapitated, headless, headless, headless cone flowers.

(12:54):
This is really taking an interesting turn, you know, with
their heads, with their heads. You know, Louis the sixteen
began his rain, you know, at six feet tall. He
ended at about round five to two. So it's sort
of the same idea. Yes, that's pretty adrupt, an abrupt
and dramatic loss of thatcher. And we're seeing the same thing.

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We're seeing the same thing with i should say, members
of the Astor family. So I was at the local
park two days ago where they have a mass planting
of purple cone flowers, and here and there, and I'm
going to get to why it wasn't all over but
here and there you could see these heads dangling and
the call pron is called in one of our one

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of our favorite names for an insect, right, the sunflower
head clipping weebel, and it's a native insects. Yep, yep,
it's a native insect, and it is a problem out
in the Great Plains, you know, where you see a
lot more sunflowers grown. The female uses her her mouth
parks at the into her rostrum, which is like a

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big long nose, except it's not a nose. It's just
a part of the weavil that holds the mouthparts, and
she uses those mouthparts to cut a ring around the
stem just below the flower head, not too far, mean,
about an inch or so. She just keeps doing that
until that flower head breaks over. Now, I want to

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stress something I mentioned. Purple cone flowers. I mentioned, you know,
the common name sunflower, yes, but also members of the
Silfium family or Selfium genus rather for you know, things
like compass plant, prairie dog cup plant, rosen wood or
rosin wood. The point I'm trying to drive at is

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that there can be a lot of different members of
that Astaceae family that can be affected, and they are
very popular plants being used, for example, in native plant
plantings or pollinator gardens or prairie restoration things like that.

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And if you see these flowerheads dangling there, why she
does that is that those two things. Number one is
that it cuts off any type of defense chemicals that
could affect her offspring, So that's number one. Of course,
purple cone flowers actually have some fairly heavy duty defense chemicals,
so that does that. Also, it takes away any competitors

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because now the flowerhead's dangling there and it's basically, you know,
being sensed by other insects as being dead. She then mates.
In fact, a lot of times you'll look at the
end of these dangling flowerheads and you'll see a lot
of weavils in there, and we won't go into detail
on what's going on, but they mate, and then she

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lays eggs, and then the flowerhead drops from the plant,
and the immature weavil develops, you know, feeds on eats
that that be headed head. Really, how can we manage these?

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, let me ask you this, when they lay eggs.
When you say that, and obviously that little orgy going
on in there, she lays.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Eggs, I didn't want to say that.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Do they do this again? I mean, do they she
go to another one and do that is a matter
of fact, So she'll be doing that multiple times. Now
here's my other question, how many eggs does she lay?
And we got about three minutes. How many eggs does
she lay? And in that I mean, so, how many
are going to hatch out inside that flower head?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well you could have as many okay there, yeah, well overall,
but in that one fire And now here's here's the key.
I know we're about out of time. So then let's
take advantage of the fact that the Achilles heels they
are in those flowerheads. So if you pick up and
destroy those fallen flowerheads, you can eliminate the population. That's

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what happened in the park that I was in. They
had a real problem them several years ago and they've
stayed at it. And so you know, as I said,
when I was in there this past week walking around,
I just saw a few run It was amazing. It's
very few. Now you have to kind of keep up
with it. But you can't spray, right because these are
flowering plants. You're going to kill pollinators, right, So just

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picking up, just picking up and destroying those fireheads that
are on the ground, that will destroy the larvae and
that'll break the cycle and these mass plantings, plantings where
you really like to have, you know, great flower display.
You can eliminate the evil for a time and maybe forever.
I mean they're not exactly that common, but you can,

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you know, put a serious dent in the population just
by doing that. And I can tell you there have
been two or three places where I've advised this, I've visited,
and it's gone from really being a problem where you say, boy,
it's not going to any seed that's going to go
to next year, to where you don't find it at

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all or very very little. So sunflower head clipping, weavil,
what do you think of that?

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Why do you pick sunflower because that was where they
first saw it.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, it is a native insect. I should have said
that it's a native insect and wasn't Louis the sixteen,
the son King. I don't know, maybe he wasn't. Maybe
I'm getting that confused, but I started off talking about him.
You do loss of stature. But maybe maybe they're gonna
be listeners say, oh, I heard a collective grown. I
heard I heard No.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
No, that's Buddy Joe for you. That's what they're saying,
that old buddy Joe.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Right. Well that but but at any rate, that is,
and so next week we're going to be visiting the
largest one of our largest wasps found in Ohio and
as a matter of fact, actually found in the US.
That may the air going after some singing insects. Right now,

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what do you think of that? I'm getting it ready.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
You're making me, you're making me scared.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
I'm very I'm very serious. Yeah, we don't. So just
don't go outside till next week and we can learn
about it.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Okay, I'll be I'll be sure and stay inside. By
the way. Uh, you know, we got about a minute
to go here. But you forgot to ask me about
the eagle.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Oh I forgot to ask you.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Okay, See I left that guy, I left hanging with
you last week and that look, here's the music.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Now I got to go to the next week.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I'll just give you a hint. There was an eagle
in our backyard last week.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
There you go again. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It was unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Stay on, I will tell you this.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
I'll tell you the story off there. But yeah, it
was unbelievable. I got to actually witness an eagle in
our backyards. It was pretty dark cool. Bucky Joe Boggs
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Speaker 2 (19:59):
Thank you sir, Thank you. Then have a great week
all right, you too.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
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of course to Danny Gleeson, our producer, because without Danny
know this stuff, what happens with Dan. Thank you so
much for all that you do. Now do yourself a favor.
Where you gonna plant those trees this fall? Keep planting
those native plants, Keep planting the pollinator plants, keep those
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(20:23):
See ya.

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