THE Buggy Joe Boggs Report 9/6/2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Don't
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don't want to thank Rita Hikenfeld for joining us this
morning about eating dot com and Peggy and Montgomery and
that would be Flowerball dot e U. Now it is time,
ladies and gentlemen, for the Buggy Joe Boggs report. That
would be Joe Boggs. It's just a professor commercial for

(00:24):
dit Jitter video House State University Extension Ocean Department of Entomology,
post a boy for a issue extension co creator Mothacoffee
and for him his website b y g L dot
OSU dot EEDU, Ladies and gentlemen, mister Commons says it
go himself, Buggy Joe bog.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm sorry I dozed off there for a seconds. I
heard crickets. I had second I heard crickets.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I had a cup. I had a cup of Buggy
Joe Boggs last Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
No, there's not what matha. Somebody's opened a MafA coffee place.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Well I was I just made myself a fresh cup
of coffee, and in it I poured.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Chocolate. There you go, got it.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Buffalo trace bourbon cream.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, I was. I was gonna ask what time to day?
That's that's.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
A little chocolate. I said. This is a buggy joe
right here.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
There you go. That's you know, it's I'm drinking it
right now with no moths inside. Don't smooth it out,
you know, no moths. But yeah, it's a It just
takes the edge off, doesn't it. I mean, and you
can adjust. You can have the chocolate there enough to
taste it, or you can kind of add it to
sort of make it a subtle taste. There you go.

(01:55):
It takes a little bit of an edge off a
very strong coffee.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Maybe touch a creepy, but you know, but that was
pretty good. I could barely taste it in the background,
and so yeah it was good.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well there's there's I mean, he toasted you well roasted
or toasted.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I roasted you?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, yeah, that was I caught that thing with Gary
is that the is that that you stand up but
you have your hand out like you're asking for money.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
That he did.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Gary has a series of cardboard cutouts that they use
it the you know, like the Home and Garden Show
and stuff like that, and what looks like he's got
his hand out like he's reaching for money. And I
always said, you know, just put that up front. And
he goes sign a T shirt and put the money
right there in Gary's hand.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
That's it. That's exactly right, a little collection pot. You know,
you could put the money right in there. Well, this,
you know, I don't know how to segue from this.
I mean, I just I've got to go somewhere. You know,
this is a time of year when on one hand,
things are winding down, right. I mean, there's a lot
of insects that are a lot of well, we came across,

(03:11):
for example, at the Ohio Diagnostic Workshop. My voice sounds
maybe a little lower because I think I'm a little hoarse,
you know, talking very loud. Oh yes, well I'm.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
A little pony.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
This morning we were ponying up the trees and things
to look at stuff. And so for example, we came
across a tussick moth caterpillar, a pale and that's just
a pale pla, a pale tuessic moth caterpillar that was
just about to spin up its cocoon to pew pay.

(03:46):
And that's happening a lot right now, not with me.
I mean, I'm not ready a few pay quite yet.
But this is a time of year when a number
of different you know, caterpillars, a number of different moths
and butterflies, you know, start that process. And it may
seem a bit early, because after all, you know, one
thing about one thing about our changing climate is we

(04:08):
always did have warm temperatures in September and October at
Ohio one point south right, and then you would always
have the so called Indian summer, you know, where you
get cold and it get warm again. But you know,
there's still plenty of time for something that eats leaves
to make a living out there, right. But you know,

(04:29):
some of these and sects, whether or not that they
they developed this because they were once you know, positioned
further north, and they take a key from light, not temperature.
And you know, think about that, if you're something that
does something because of what we called you know, day length,
that's then different. And that's what we're seeing right now

(04:51):
with something shutting down, whereas other things are still much
and along we came across quite a bit of damage
by lace back. And you and I really haven't talked
much about lacebugs this season, but I have to say
they they are behaving in their normal sneaky manner. You know,
they start off so what we're talking about, I always

(05:14):
have to go back if.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
You go back to Buggy Joe Boggs last week when
you said, what am I talking hearing about? That was
on my list because all of a sudden people start
to notice that.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
It is it's and I start, I mean, it's very interesting.
For example, I'm starting to really see and I'm going
to use the term and this is a descriptive term
we called stipling, and the name comes from the way
that artists used to well still do you know you
can just take a take a pen or even a

(05:43):
pencil and just tap it very lightly to create, you know,
a picture. It's also called pointiism, but the other name
is stipling. And so little tiny, little tiny yellow dots
if you look very closely, little tiny yellow dots. Well
that's because lacebugs have what we call piercing sucking mouth parts.

(06:04):
They pierce the surface of the leaf and then just
like a soda straw, then they suck out contents of
the cells, so individually they create these little yellow dots
called as I said, simply. But of course, then if
you get a lot of those, they do something that
we call coalesce. They get together and you start getting

(06:24):
a large area that is maybe yellow at first and
then starts turning bronze because the collective impact of those
cells being destroyed causes them to turn brown but any rate.
So it's just it's interesting. I've been watching, for example,
some burros that are developing a gall that we might

(06:47):
talk about next week. I may do a posting that
people then can look at the pictures called rough oak
bullet gall. You know, it's one of my favorites, right,
But watching these galls develop, they're kind of a late
season gall on the stem of the trees. I started
noticing the same oaks, the leaves are just getting more
and more yellow. And I saw this a month or

(07:09):
so ago, maybe a little longer, but oh yeah, that's
that's that's oak lacebug. And you know, just kind of
passed it off right r But at the end of
the day, now it is it is very apparent apparent
some of those leaves are are yellow. Of course, the
good news about that is that this is a time

(07:31):
of year, you know, when trees are pretty well finished
with their leaves. I hate to say it that way.
They could use their leaves all the way up till
they drop them, but they became not enough carbohydrate to
support next year's growth. So we don't worry so much
about heavy leaf damage this time of the year. But
it's certainly noticeable.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I've getting I'm getting a lot of reports from what
I'm seeing. It is on is the lacebug is on azaleas? Yeah, yeah, landscape,
and you know, because now all of a sudden, they're
realizing that these leaves, all of a sudden, aren't the
nice green that they used to be.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
And that is yeah, and that's a real problem because
you just step back, you know, with oaks, they're going
to drop their leaves right right. So if you have
a lace bugs on, if you have oak left.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Bogs that, if you have on your azaleas, yeah, you're
in a different You're you're you're on Mars.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
That's a different world.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
But yeah, oh there you go, there you go, just
just run up those hot steps you know that are
made out of wood.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Right, But I heard that that was kind of interesting.
But if you have a lace bugs, you have of
course an evergreen plant, and that means, of course those
leaves are going to be there all through the winter,
so they can overwinter as eggs on the leaves, and

(08:56):
then when those when spring rolls around, those eggs, immediately
the immature lace bugs that we call nymphs start feeding
and producing damage well on oaks and on other maples
and so forth. Sycamore lacebug, those those lacebugs can't overwinter
on the leaves. They overwinter as adults hidden on the

(09:20):
bark someplace, and there's a lot less of them than
all the eggs that are produced by isaiah or rhododendern
lace bugs. It's the same lacebug, but two different common names.
So the point being, the bad thing about Isaea lacebugs
is they start early and they just keep chugging along
until you have, you know, totally yellow azaleas. And of course,

(09:43):
if it gets bad enough, they lose their leaves. But
if it doesn't get too bad, you just have yellow
leaves until the normal time when they lose their older leaves.
So it's it's it's a little bit more of a
problem than with something like oak lacebug. And I have
a feeling it must be right up right?

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Quick quick question with the late Azalea rhode aden or lacebug.
Am I mistaken? Did I read this right?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
They do?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
They lay the eggs like up in the leaf itself. Yeah,
they at so it's hard to yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, which means you can't really apply. That's a good question.
You can't then apply. And you know there are some insecticides,
I mean soaps and oils, horticultural oil and and and
sextle soap, so they can kill eggs if you can expose,
you know, if you can get the whole egg covered.
But in this case, no, that's a very good question.

(10:39):
You can't do anything about the eggs. You did not
read that wrong.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Okay, just making sure. Uh, Buggy Joe Bob, just take
a break. We'll come back. We'll do a part two
of the Bugget Joe Boggs Report here in the Garden
with Ron Wilson.

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Speaker 1 (12:16):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for Part two of the Buggy Joe Boggs Report. Buggy
Joe Boggs was Shue Extension website uh B y g
L dot O s U dot Eu. By the way,
I know you were concerned. But I did hear from
Harold this week?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Oh yeah, I was wondering.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Oh god, Wednesday they let him out of the nervous hospital.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah and uh yeah he.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
His her roommate was Carl Childers, by the way, so
kind of interesting. Uh. But by the way, what is
the point what is the point of stipling?

Speaker 2 (12:52):
What is the point of stipling?

Speaker 1 (12:55):
That's a joke, get it?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I like that. I like that. No, No, I'm not okay,
I got quiet because I'm writing that down. I wish
I thought about that yesterday. Yeah, well, you know, we
have to do it. What a wonderful weekend last weekend
except the prey earld. I understand, but oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I want them to do well, and you know, we
don't want to got to keep them in the mix.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I do, I do. But boy, that was a tough
one because in Florida State, what a history, you know,
it's it's uh and they've been I mean last year,
you know, it was a fiasco and and here you know,
they come out of the doors not given any chance, right,
I mean, no chance whatsoever. So so that was that
was a tough one, but uh.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
He mailed me a picture of Bear Bryant and a
pen that said roll tide.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Actually, I don't know, I tell you anyway, but it
was a good It was a good weekend and the
weather was fantastic. You know. We we've gone through just
what I call all almost southern California weather for quite
some time, haven't.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's been outstanding. You know, you were talking about the
caterpillars and all, and you know what, I have not
gotten any reports of this fall so far. And usually
get four or five of them that people find it
this huge caterpillar on their their plump something like that,

(14:25):
and I have gotten zero reports of that. Now, see
I'm saying that, so hopefully next week I'll get a
bazillion of them. It's acropium moth, I haven't. I have
gotten none.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
You know. That's that is That's so for listeners what
Ron and I are kind of speaking shorthand about, you know,
because we I know, on this program on so often,
well we talk like we're talking on the phone. Yes,
I mean, that's what's to me. That's what's what's so
fun about this is it just like you and I
have a phone call, except sometimes is either get. There's

(15:00):
a lot of people listening and thinking, wait a second,
what did you just say such acropia? Did he just
or did or did he cough? I I'm not too
sure what was that. But we're talking about a group
of moths called silkworm giant silkworm maths, and they are
they that includes it includes some of the most beautiful maths.
That family, by the way, includes some of the most

(15:22):
beautiful moths that we have, things like like lunar maths
and then Socropia and these are named for the genus
Socropia polypemous. Uh, just big maths. Well, many years ago
there was a fly introduced, and this wasn't the only challenge,
but there was a fly introduced to to manage as

(15:44):
a parasitoid fly that used to suppress what we used
to call gypsy moth, and of course now we call
spongy moth, which is a horrible defoliator of primarily oaks
and of course some other hardwood trees. So, unbeknown my
wife was talking about this. You know that it's a
two edged sword when it can be a two edged sword.

(16:05):
It you know, when you introduce a predator or a
parasitoid that's not natives to suppress a non native pess
two EDGs because unless there's a lot of research done
to make sure it doesn't go after something else, it
can be a problem. Well, there was a time when

(16:25):
there's a lot less research on that. Now there's a
lot more. But at that time, unbeknownst to the to
the folks that were doing their releases, these flies, which
they had a common name of friendly fly, that was
an effort to to kind of get past the idea
they fled or they would fly around your face a lot, right.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
But.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Unbeknownst to everyone, those flies also parasitized the silkworm moths,
the giant silkworm moth caterpillars. So it is one reason,
and I have to be fair, it's one of possibly
several reasons that we start seeing the populations go down.

(17:09):
I meannives grown up lunamavs were you know, we're pretty common.
You'd often see them at night, you know, flying around
you know, street lights. And of course I said that
very purposefully because you know, some of the folks out
they're going to say, well, wait a second, Joe, what
about you know the added amount of light at night,
and that's certainly something else that can confuse these moths

(17:31):
and can help to lead for to having a problem.
But back to what you're saying, run even with that happening,
And I don't want to leave this with people saying,
Joe said, we're gonna lose all these They came back,
the giant silkworm, caterpillars they they and moths they came back.

(17:51):
I mean we started seeing a lot more at this
time of the year, either the big caterpillars I mean,
you know four inches long easily right, you know, or
we would see the cocoons. They would you know, they
make a really nice big cocoon that you know, covered
in in silk, and that's why they're called giant silk

(18:14):
wearing mouth. But you're right, Ron, I have not. I would.
I used to get at least three or four sometimes
I'd even drive out to take pictures, you know, of
the caterpillars. So we have just done a very good
favor to everyone that now we have restored the population
by talking about show.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
What we haven't seen. Most folks are in a pantic
because they send you a picture and they're like, oh
my guys, I just went out of my ornamental tree
and has got this huge and it's and it's like,
how many do you see one that's yeah, well just
leave alone, let it do its thing. And then you
send them a picture of what it could be. And
they're like, oh, never mind.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
It is true. It is well, they were just you know,
they're they're so they're so startling, you know, these big caterpillars.
And I will say that that, oh, this was probably
twenty years ago. My wife and I were I'm trying
to think of the town that we were at a
ice cream place, you know, one of the old you

(19:20):
know ice cream you know places that you could do
you're outside, like the cone, you know what the cone? Right,
I'm referencing. Yeah. Anyway, so when we're there and there
was a very small trade that had quite a few
of these caterpillars, which really surprised me. And they were
kind of startling. I mean, but they were they really

(19:42):
weren't doing any major dammage. But we'll talk more about
this next week when we start getting the phone calls
about them, right.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I hope. So, Buggy Joe Bons always a pleasure, I
tell Gummer Pond. We said alone, and go Bucks.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Go Bucks. You take care of it right.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
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(20:19):
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