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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson, and
as I promise, yes, Ladies and gentlemen, it is time
for the Buddy Joe Boggs Report. Miss Joe Boggs, Assistant
Professor Commercials for the Extension OH Post, co creator of
Mother Brother his website b Y G L dot O
s U dot E d U Ladies and Gentlemen, Buggy
(00:26):
Joe Boggs.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hello, Joe, Hello, I have a rock to say.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I have you know what? Guess guess who I've been
texting with this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
From Sydney, Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Not not the funnel web what Sydney funnel web spiders?
I mean, yeah, No, I'm sorry, I'm oh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
He's in Australia listening to the show. He's back in
his room. It's the evening. He's had dinner, a few drinks,
chilling out for the evening and he's listening to the
show right now. And Ron, the picture you show me
looks like he's having a good time. And he's having
a good time.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, he's sharing pictures. Well that's good. Well, if he's
sharing pictures, he's not having a good time. Now, think
about that taking time to take pictures. You've got to
get out there and just enjoy. Look for those funnel
web spiders, look for those crate snakes. You know. I mean,
what did I hear the other day someone said, if
(01:39):
it's not going to bite you in kill, you had
to leach in Australia something like that, right.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That the way that works, It.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Is an incredible continent all to himself, right, you know,
and they do have and they I mean everything from ants.
They have a tremendously mandibleed ant there that has you know,
like it's measured one of the highest toxins of any
insect in the world in its sting, not its bite
(02:11):
has big mandibles, but in its sting.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah great, yeah, Like I want to go there now.
I hope Ron, I hope Ron's listening so you can
protect himself.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm hoping that he just
you know, of course, what the heck, Ron, that's having fun.
I mean, you know, getting out there, you know, turning
over rocks. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know
famous last words. You know, look at this is that
(02:42):
an ant? Yeah? No, that's a snake. Oh no, Anyway,
I got a couple of things for you.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I like your posting the bagworm posting this week about
parasitoid and connecting the dots and all that. Yeah, my
question is, uh, the the bag rooms that you plucked
off of the juniper and have all the berries attached
You think they were using those for like making gin
or anything?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
A little little bagworms. I often wonder that. Yeah, they
you know, a little flavor there, you know, to go
with the to go with the green.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
There's an awful lot of there's an awful lot of
berries attached to those bags.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, I'll tell you. It was almost as though they
just set out to do that and I will come clean.
Those are on my junipers? Oh yeah they were, But you'd.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Want them to grow there so you could do what
you just did.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, okay, that that's my story. I appreciate that. Ron,
that's my story. I'm gonna start sticking.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
To it, even though you never noticed them, but yeah
you got them.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, Yes, that's what I That's what I told my wife. Yeah,
you don't tell her.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I said that, right, she's right now, so I don't
have to worry about that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's right, that's exactly right, Yes, it's just between you
and me, you know, as they say. And the gate posts.
Who I have to roll that in, right.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I used to on the somebody was talking about this
kid that waved the traffic when I lived in Indiana,
and I'm gonna I'm going to confess this. At the
end of our driveway we lived out in the farm
in the country, huge fence posts at the very end,
which you always did, had a great big fence post
to hold support everything.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was right.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
It was probably both. Yeah, it was like the size
of a tree. I would go out there after I
got home from school and did stuff. I'd go out
there and sit on that fence post and wave the
cars that drove by.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well that, I mean, look, I hear that, and I
have seen that growing up. I mean I hear that.
It kind of you know, kind of expressed in a
in a in a derogatory way. Let's be awesome. Oh yeah,
but no, that's what we did. I mean, you know,
I waved the cars. Of course, our farm in West Virginia,
(04:59):
there would be like like a car a day.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
So I came we were on four twenty one, so
it was a major you know two way rows.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, but yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Was just sat out there and waved it. And I
knew half the people anyway were driving by their neighbors
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I enjoyed that for an hour or so, just sitting
there waving anyway. I don't know how that came up,
but somebody.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Referred, no, there's there's a perfect segue because we're gonna
talk about something we've talked about before. We're gonna bring
an importance of waving cars. No an waving. It's it's
it's rear end. We'll talk about that again. But anyway,
I mean the wave. You really set us up a
great segue.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But your second thing, you said you had another thing.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Uh, Joe Strucker just came back from Florida.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Oh everybody is going.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I mean, Joe, you know, you and I go to
National Indiana and National Ghosha for Clinton. I loved it, though,
I enjoyed it. But he was down there and he
said they had they got it many times with the
love bug.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yes, yes, you know that is that is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I don't know if he was talking about his date
or but no, he was. He said the love bug,
and he said they were everywhere, and then he said
they were nasty. And I didn't know anything about him
until I, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Until you look into well.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
He looked he looked it up to you mean like Herbie,
but yeah, like Kirby.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, I forgot about that. Why, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Was his number? Twenty nine two three? I don't know anyway,
but I found out that was a fly actually.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
A fly, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's the male that hangs on after their mating and
flies around with her. And uh, but they're high in
they're very acidic.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Are they are? You know, it's it's really interesting they
now this is this is kind of interesting that there
are two different times. And I might have this wrong.
It's been a while since I've talked about love bugs,
but I think that we have a spring and I
think we do have a fall emergence. I'm pretty sure
(07:20):
about that. So it's sort of it's one of those
deals where if you go down in the winter, you
may miss it. If you're down there in the summer,
you may miss it. But if you go down there
in the spring, which you know, again that's not you know,
that's a time of year. Some people. People do travel,
you know, to Florida, but but not a lot. I mean,
(07:40):
I would say more in the summer. When you agree,
I mean it's a little bit more, you know, maybe
one school that's I suppose in the spring. But the
point being is that people people tend to miss these
insects because just when they're vacationing in Florida. And it's
not just Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi, the Gulf Coast and
over into Texas. But it's a it's a really fascinating insect,
(08:06):
just like you know where I'm heading with this. Just
you mentioned Port Clinton. Just like mayflies.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh yeah, and we had we had some up there.
We were there.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah. Now wait when were you up there? This is
interesting in August. Now that is really interesting because we
were up there. Uh well it was all the way
back in June. And my wife actually, for some odd reason,
doesn't like may flies. I mean that's just you know,
opposites a track, right, so she's not a big fan.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I'm with your wife then, because I'm not too crazy
about him either. Well, did I tell you that story
about those We were in Port Clinton and was the
morning we were leaving and we pulled in some building there.
My wife had to go get something out of one
of the shops here. But anyway, the barnswall were like
(09:01):
flying against the wall.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
My goodness, So like they.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Were hanging on to the side of the wall, flying
horizontally flat up against the wall. And what they were
doing reating the mayflies off the side of the wall.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And when you watch them, yeah, they're just like, well
Hoover vacuum.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
It was great. And they just worked across the wall,
just eating those things up.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I just and and then of course as they go up,
eventually you get so heavy.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
They just dropped and they just like Carol got the
car and was like, what are you doing? So what's
what's those what's those barn swallows? Look what they're doing?
Like let's go list.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So anyway, so let's see that that's no, no, that
is that's the reason why I think mayflies are are
so fascinating. And of course we're gonna leave everybody hanging
because I'm looking and I'm thinking there must be a
break sometime soon. I want to don't want to launch
into a new new.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Story it maybe it may be. So let's make this mate,
this go ahead? And may take a break and then
right back into what we're talking about at the end
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Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, so, the reason that I really appreciate may flies
goes all the way back to something that you know,
I almost hate to mention it these days, although it
comes up every so often, the Cuyahoga River catching fire.
I hate to mention it because that river and Lake
Erie itself has undergone a huge cleanup over the years.
(12:14):
When you and I are very young, you know, that's
when that happened. I mean, there was so much oils
and gases, you know, gasoline and just all kinds of
different materials that could catch fire, that would leak into
the river, and of course the rest is history. So
it got so bad, and it was not just one time.
(12:34):
Well at the same time run various entomologists, including those
at Ohio State University and their research center of their
own Gibraltar Island, which is not far from putt In
Bay and Port Clinton, it's just out in the water
a short distance. They started documenting, you know, basically, you know,
the death of Blake Erie. There's another way of putting it.
(12:57):
And it was pretty grim. You know, if you go
back and look at some of the papers published in
the sixties and even early seventies, it was, oh my gosh,
you know, this is not a good thing. And of course,
aside from just you know, the beauty and all the
different purposes that we go to lake to Lake Erie
(13:19):
and the Great Lakes in general, you know, the source
of drinking water for a lot of communities. So this
did not look good. One of the measures of the
pollution were mayflies. They're very sensitive to extremely sensitive to
different different contaminants. In fact, a lot of contaminants, and
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there was an entomologist at Ohio State that he started,
as I recall, and I could have this wrong, but
I believe he started very early in his career, not
during grad school. He would just every year go up
and take measurements of the of the immature may flies,
you know, those that are in the water, which we
tend to forget. This insects spends actually most of its
(14:04):
time underwater, just like our periodical cicadas spend most of
their time below ground. There's a connection I'm going to
make here this second. Actually, I'll just make it right now.
Both of these insects rely on emerging with such in
such large numbers, the reproductive stages, emerging, the adults emerging
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in such large numbers, they overwhelm the predators, the barn
swallows and geese and so on and so forth in
the case of cicadas, and that's called predator satiation. So
that's the strategy. But back to the death of Lake Erie.
So the lake was being monitored. Mayflies were a key
(14:46):
indicator organism, and it, like I said, on it looks
very grim. You can I still have and you can find.
Of course, that's the nice thing about scientific publications. They
don't go away. You can go back and refer to them.
And that's and it's very interesting reading. Well, once a
very concerted effort began to be made to clean up
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Lake Erie, and actually to clean up the lakes in general.
There was other problems, not just with Lake Erie, but
a concerted effort to clean up the first indicator of
a healthy lake.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Guess what we're what increase populations.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Exactly exactly, And I have to tell you the comeback
has been remarkable because there are many different species of
mayflies and they emerge sometimes pretty close together sometimes And
by the way, it's called the hatch. And you know
we've talked about this before. It's not a hatch really,
it just called a hatch, but we reserve that for
(15:46):
hatching from eggs. Okay, it's the emergence of the adults
from the lakes, and they lack mouth parts. They only
last twenty four to forty eight hours. Their sole purpose
is to emerge and mate in the female's lay eggs.
But the point being is it's also very interesting in
that the different species were being affected in much the
(16:09):
same way, but some more than others. And over time
we've seen the re emergence of multiple species in Lake Erie.
And that's why I that's why I look at them
as being just a remarkable insect. They indicate that that
lake is clean. We have some emergence along the Ohio River,
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as you know, not quite as much as there's a
river in Pennsylvania as Susquehanna can have huge, huge emergence.
Wherever we see may flies emerging, you know, that means
that we have water that will support the immatures, and
of course those immatures also feed fish, and that's the
kind of we make a big circle of life. We'll
(16:55):
start singing here in a second. So the immatures, which
in the water we call them naiads, the immatures for
an aquatic insect, they feed fish and other organisms. Of course,
once the adults emerge, that predator satiation kicks in. And
it is amazing too how many things do well with mayfi.
(17:17):
So then the literature is now telling us that after
these different emergencies of adults, we start seeing increases and
more successful population rise in different birds and different predators
that depend on you see I'm heading we've seen. I mean,
it's no accident that some of the fish that we
(17:38):
that we really love to eat out of Lake Erie
also our fish that prey on the immature mayfi. So
they're very important.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Walleyes, Walleye, oh wileye and well I tell you I
love them both Walleye and Lake per Oh.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, my goodness, yes, they're both fantastic. So how did
we get all blove bugs?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It started from love bugs. I mean that's the way
this whole this whole segment always goes, starts from love
bugs to uh, mayflies and barnswallows eat them off the
side of a building.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
All right, So I'm going to be running out of time,
but I did have I'm going to be posting about
the boogie woogie Ephens this upcoming week. Uh. You know,
they've been with us for a long time. But boy,
I'll tell you, populations are very high right now and
they're just kind of fun. We also have a mystery
ephit occurring on the American Elm right now. And uh,
I don't know if you've gotten reports. We have had
(18:40):
reports all throughout well from central Ohio. I have had
pictures of these aphids coming to American Elm in huge numbers.
When you see the pictures, they just almost looks like
early Halloween. Uh. Now we're trying we're trying to run
down exactly what's happening there. I don't want to go
(19:01):
too far here, but about the only aphan that has
a very strong relationship with American ELM at this time
of the year is one that you and I talked
about by email, the Wooly Apple aphan. Really, how'd you
like that? Yeah? I like that big circle. Yes, So
so we think we're thinking we're heading in that direction.
(19:24):
But you know, Ron, we're just now relearning about what,
you know, the different things that can come to American ELM.
When I say relearning thinking about it, you know, we
lost American ALM. So we're relearning what happened. So we'll
talk more about that next week.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Okay, I appreciate it. Hey, Joe, always a pleasure. Great
information byg L dot O s U dot E ed uh.
Any idea any recommendations on getting rid of gophers?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Move now gophers?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Minnesota, Minnesota, Joe, Minnesota, I know, I.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Know, I just yeah. You send buck eyes after there
you go, guys at them go buy there you go
go buck All right.
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Ron who can help At one eight hundred eighty two
three Talk This Says in the Garden with Ron Wilson
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson, and
as I promise, yes, Ladies and gentlemen, it is time
for the Buddy Joe Boggs Report. Miss Joe Boggs, Assistant
Professor Commercials for the Extension OH Post, co creator of
Mother Brother his website b Y G L dot O
s U dot E d U Ladies and Gentlemen, Buggy
(00:26):
Joe Boggs.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hello, Joe, Hello, I have a rock to say.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I have you know what? Guess guess who I've been
texting with this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
From Sydney, Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Not not the funnel web what Sydney funnel web spiders?
I mean, yeah, No, I'm sorry, I'm oh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
He's in Australia listening to the show. He's back in
his room. It's the evening. He's had dinner, a few drinks,
chilling out for the evening and he's listening to the
show right now. And Ron, the picture you show me
looks like he's having a good time. And he's having
a good time.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, he's sharing pictures. Well that's good. Well, if he's
sharing pictures, he's not having a good time. Now, think
about that taking time to take pictures. You've got to
get out there and just enjoy. Look for those funnel
web spiders, look for those crate snakes. You know. I mean,
what did I hear the other day someone said, if
(01:39):
it's not going to bite you in kill, you had
to leach in Australia something like that, right.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That the way that works, It.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Is an incredible continent all to himself, right, you know,
and they do have and they I mean everything from ants.
They have a tremendously mandibleed ant there that has you know,
like it's measured one of the highest toxins of any
insect in the world in its sting, not its bite
(02:11):
has big mandibles, but in its sting.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah great, yeah, Like I want to go there now.
I hope Ron, I hope Ron's listening so you can
protect himself.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm hoping that he just
you know, of course, what the heck, Ron, that's having fun.
I mean, you know, getting out there, you know, turning
over rocks. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know
famous last words. You know, look at this is that
(02:42):
an ant? Yeah? No, that's a snake. Oh no, Anyway,
I got a couple of things for you.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I like your posting the bagworm posting this week about
parasitoid and connecting the dots and all that. Yeah, my
question is, uh, the the bag rooms that you plucked
off of the juniper and have all the berries attached
You think they were using those for like making gin
or anything?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
A little little bagworms. I often wonder that. Yeah, they
you know, a little flavor there, you know, to go
with the to go with the green.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
There's an awful lot of there's an awful lot of
berries attached to those bags.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, I'll tell you. It was almost as though they
just set out to do that and I will come clean.
Those are on my junipers? Oh yeah they were, But you'd.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Want them to grow there so you could do what
you just did.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, okay, that that's my story. I appreciate that. Ron,
that's my story. I'm gonna start sticking.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
To it, even though you never noticed them, but yeah
you got them.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, Yes, that's what I That's what I told my wife. Yeah,
you don't tell her.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I said that, right, she's right now, so I don't
have to worry about that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's right, that's exactly right, Yes, it's just between you
and me, you know, as they say. And the gate posts.
Who I have to roll that in, right.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I used to on the somebody was talking about this
kid that waved the traffic when I lived in Indiana,
and I'm gonna I'm going to confess this. At the
end of our driveway we lived out in the farm
in the country, huge fence posts at the very end,
which you always did, had a great big fence post
to hold support everything.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was right.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
It was probably both. Yeah, it was like the size
of a tree. I would go out there after I
got home from school and did stuff. I'd go out
there and sit on that fence post and wave the
cars that drove by.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well that, I mean, look, I hear that, and I
have seen that growing up. I mean I hear that.
It kind of you know, kind of expressed in a
in a in a derogatory way. Let's be awesome. Oh yeah,
but no, that's what we did. I mean, you know,
I waved the cars. Of course, our farm in West Virginia,
(04:59):
there would be like like a car a day.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
So I came we were on four twenty one, so
it was a major you know two way rows.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, but yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Was just sat out there and waved it. And I
knew half the people anyway were driving by their neighbors
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I enjoyed that for an hour or so, just sitting
there waving anyway. I don't know how that came up,
but somebody.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Referred, no, there's there's a perfect segue because we're gonna
talk about something we've talked about before. We're gonna bring
an importance of waving cars. No an waving. It's it's
it's rear end. We'll talk about that again. But anyway,
I mean the wave. You really set us up a
great segue.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But your second thing, you said you had another thing.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Uh, Joe Strucker just came back from Florida.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Oh everybody is going.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I mean, Joe, you know, you and I go to
National Indiana and National Ghosha for Clinton. I loved it, though,
I enjoyed it. But he was down there and he
said they had they got it many times with the
love bug.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yes, yes, you know that is that is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I don't know if he was talking about his date
or but no, he was. He said the love bug,
and he said they were everywhere, and then he said
they were nasty. And I didn't know anything about him
until I, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Until you look into well.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
He looked he looked it up to you mean like Herbie,
but yeah, like Kirby.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, I forgot about that. Why, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Was his number? Twenty nine two three? I don't know anyway,
but I found out that was a fly actually.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
A fly, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's the male that hangs on after their mating and
flies around with her. And uh, but they're high in
they're very acidic.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Are they are? You know, it's it's really interesting they
now this is this is kind of interesting that there
are two different times. And I might have this wrong.
It's been a while since I've talked about love bugs,
but I think that we have a spring and I
think we do have a fall emergence. I'm pretty sure
(07:20):
about that. So it's sort of it's one of those
deals where if you go down in the winter, you
may miss it. If you're down there in the summer,
you may miss it. But if you go down there
in the spring, which you know, again that's not you know,
that's a time of year. Some people. People do travel,
you know, to Florida, but but not a lot. I mean,
(07:40):
I would say more in the summer. When you agree,
I mean it's a little bit more, you know, maybe
one school that's I suppose in the spring. But the
point being is that people people tend to miss these
insects because just when they're vacationing in Florida. And it's
not just Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi, the Gulf Coast and
over into Texas. But it's a it's a really fascinating insect,
(08:06):
just like you know where I'm heading with this. Just
you mentioned Port Clinton. Just like mayflies.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh yeah, and we had we had some up there.
We were there.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah. Now wait when were you up there? This is
interesting in August. Now that is really interesting because we
were up there. Uh well it was all the way
back in June. And my wife actually, for some odd reason,
doesn't like may flies. I mean that's just you know,
opposites a track, right, so she's not a big fan.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I'm with your wife then, because I'm not too crazy
about him either. Well, did I tell you that story
about those We were in Port Clinton and was the
morning we were leaving and we pulled in some building there.
My wife had to go get something out of one
of the shops here. But anyway, the barnswall were like
(09:01):
flying against the wall.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
My goodness, So like they.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Were hanging on to the side of the wall, flying
horizontally flat up against the wall. And what they were
doing reating the mayflies off the side of the wall.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And when you watch them, yeah, they're just like, well
Hoover vacuum.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
It was great. And they just worked across the wall,
just eating those things up.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I just and and then of course as they go up,
eventually you get so heavy.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
They just dropped and they just like Carol got the
car and was like, what are you doing? So what's
what's those what's those barn swallows? Look what they're doing?
Like let's go list.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So anyway, so let's see that that's no, no, that
is that's the reason why I think mayflies are are
so fascinating. And of course we're gonna leave everybody hanging
because I'm looking and I'm thinking there must be a
break sometime soon. I want to don't want to launch
into a new new.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Story it maybe it may be. So let's make this mate,
this go ahead? And may take a break and then
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Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, so, the reason that I really appreciate may flies
goes all the way back to something that you know,
I almost hate to mention it these days, although it
comes up every so often, the Cuyahoga River catching fire.
I hate to mention it because that river and Lake
Erie itself has undergone a huge cleanup over the years.
(12:14):
When you and I are very young, you know, that's
when that happened. I mean, there was so much oils
and gases, you know, gasoline and just all kinds of
different materials that could catch fire, that would leak into
the river, and of course the rest is history. So
it got so bad, and it was not just one time.
(12:34):
Well at the same time run various entomologists, including those
at Ohio State University and their research center of their
own Gibraltar Island, which is not far from putt In
Bay and Port Clinton, it's just out in the water
a short distance. They started documenting, you know, basically, you know,
the death of Blake Erie. There's another way of putting it.
(12:57):
And it was pretty grim. You know, if you go
back and look at some of the papers published in
the sixties and even early seventies, it was, oh my gosh,
you know, this is not a good thing. And of course,
aside from just you know, the beauty and all the
different purposes that we go to lake to Lake Erie
(13:19):
and the Great Lakes in general, you know, the source
of drinking water for a lot of communities. So this
did not look good. One of the measures of the
pollution were mayflies. They're very sensitive to extremely sensitive to
different different contaminants. In fact, a lot of contaminants, and
(13:42):
there was an entomologist at Ohio State that he started,
as I recall, and I could have this wrong, but
I believe he started very early in his career, not
during grad school. He would just every year go up
and take measurements of the of the immature may flies,
you know, those that are in the water, which we
tend to forget. This insects spends actually most of its
(14:04):
time underwater, just like our periodical cicadas spend most of
their time below ground. There's a connection I'm going to
make here this second. Actually, I'll just make it right now.
Both of these insects rely on emerging with such in
such large numbers, the reproductive stages, emerging, the adults emerging
(14:26):
in such large numbers, they overwhelm the predators, the barn
swallows and geese and so on and so forth in
the case of cicadas, and that's called predator satiation. So
that's the strategy. But back to the death of Lake Erie.
So the lake was being monitored. Mayflies were a key
(14:46):
indicator organism, and it, like I said, on it looks
very grim. You can I still have and you can find.
Of course, that's the nice thing about scientific publications. They
don't go away. You can go back and refer to them.
And that's and it's very interesting reading. Well, once a
very concerted effort began to be made to clean up
(15:08):
Lake Erie, and actually to clean up the lakes in general.
There was other problems, not just with Lake Erie, but
a concerted effort to clean up the first indicator of
a healthy lake.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Guess what we're what increase populations.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Exactly exactly, And I have to tell you the comeback
has been remarkable because there are many different species of
mayflies and they emerge sometimes pretty close together sometimes And
by the way, it's called the hatch. And you know
we've talked about this before. It's not a hatch really,
it just called a hatch, but we reserve that for
(15:46):
hatching from eggs. Okay, it's the emergence of the adults
from the lakes, and they lack mouth parts. They only
last twenty four to forty eight hours. Their sole purpose
is to emerge and mate in the female's lay eggs.
But the point being is it's also very interesting in
that the different species were being affected in much the
(16:09):
same way, but some more than others. And over time
we've seen the re emergence of multiple species in Lake Erie.
And that's why I that's why I look at them
as being just a remarkable insect. They indicate that that
lake is clean. We have some emergence along the Ohio River,
(16:31):
as you know, not quite as much as there's a
river in Pennsylvania as Susquehanna can have huge, huge emergence.
Wherever we see may flies emerging, you know, that means
that we have water that will support the immatures, and
of course those immatures also feed fish, and that's the
kind of we make a big circle of life. We'll
(16:55):
start singing here in a second. So the immatures, which
in the water we call them naiads, the immatures for
an aquatic insect, they feed fish and other organisms. Of course,
once the adults emerge, that predator satiation kicks in. And
it is amazing too how many things do well with mayfi.
(17:17):
So then the literature is now telling us that after
these different emergencies of adults, we start seeing increases and
more successful population rise in different birds and different predators
that depend on you see I'm heading we've seen. I mean,
it's no accident that some of the fish that we
(17:38):
that we really love to eat out of Lake Erie
also our fish that prey on the immature mayfi. So
they're very important.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Walleyes, Walleye, oh wileye and well I tell you I
love them both Walleye and Lake per Oh.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, my goodness, yes, they're both fantastic. So how did
we get all blove bugs?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It started from love bugs. I mean that's the way
this whole this whole segment always goes, starts from love
bugs to uh, mayflies and barnswallows eat them off the
side of a building.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
All right, So I'm going to be running out of time,
but I did have I'm going to be posting about
the boogie woogie Ephens this upcoming week. Uh. You know,
they've been with us for a long time. But boy,
I'll tell you, populations are very high right now and
they're just kind of fun. We also have a mystery
ephit occurring on the American Elm right now. And uh,
I don't know if you've gotten reports. We have had
(18:40):
reports all throughout well from central Ohio. I have had
pictures of these aphids coming to American Elm in huge numbers.
When you see the pictures, they just almost looks like
early Halloween. Uh. Now we're trying we're trying to run
down exactly what's happening there. I don't want to go
(19:01):
too far here, but about the only aphan that has
a very strong relationship with American ELM at this time
of the year is one that you and I talked
about by email, the Wooly Apple aphan. Really, how'd you
like that? Yeah? I like that big circle. Yes, So
so we think we're thinking we're heading in that direction.
(19:24):
But you know, Ron, we're just now relearning about what,
you know, the different things that can come to American ELM.
When I say relearning thinking about it, you know, we
lost American ALM. So we're relearning what happened. So we'll
talk more about that next week.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Okay, I appreciate it. Hey, Joe, always a pleasure. Great
information byg L dot O s U dot E ed uh.
Any idea any recommendations on getting rid of gophers?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Move now gophers?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Minnesota, Minnesota, Joe, Minnesota, I know, I.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Know, I just yeah. You send buck eyes after there
you go, guys at them go buy there you go
go buck All right.
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