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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Brahmin Wilson. And
as I promised, believe it or not, we have three
segments of the Buggy Joe Boggy purpose of Joe bogs
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ed U, Ladies and gentlemen, Buggy Joe Bull are you awake?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm awake. I'm although you know, the sun isn't quite up.
I don't know what is going on there. I mean,
Kevin was saying, a beautiful sunrise. I'm thinking, I'll wait
a minute, where is Kevin?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What tree standing is Kevin in this morning that he's
seeing that work earth sun come up already?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, I'll tell you, I think I think he picked
one of the better, one of the best. You guys
were talking about one of the best tree he's and
I I kind of question marked that at the end
because it's a it's not a big tree. No, you know,
it's not going to be like an oak. But my goodness,
he's right about the pollinators. Sometimes it gets dangerous under those.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I started to say, you know, and I were running
out of time because I was going to say, you
should see Joe Boggs when he's standing around a seven sunflower.
He's in seventh Heaven with all those bugs flying around everywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, well, that's why the danger, isn't I said that wrong.
I'm sure some of the listeners thought, well, wait a minute,
I don't want a tree. You know, it's going to
bring in a lot of insects. Maybe exactly, that's the
danger right there. And other entomologists just tripping over themselves.
I mean, goodness, that's that's the problem there.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You know, you you had the ant farm when you
were growing up, and of course with your kids as well.
Did you ever do verma composting? No?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I did. I really didn't. Oh well, you know, I
take it back, I didn't. I didn't realize that, you know,
growing up. You know again where you you know you
you grew up in applech I did too, in West
Virginia that you know, our trash pal was really verma culturing.
We there you go with that when we didn't have
(02:15):
hogs to feed the left up of vegetables.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Then you know when we when we put them out
there in the pile, that's uh, that's where we did
get fish, fishing worms. I mean, I'm actually, I'm actually
serious about that now I come to think of it.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, Tony Bender, Tony Bender was talking the other day
about fishing. He said, you know what I used to
when I was a kid. I could go somewhere and
I could dig in our backyard, get three or four nightcrawlers,
get them out there and go fishing. He said, I
couldn't find those a day in my yard whatsoever. And
I said, well, that's a little bit different. I said.
You try compost pile or throwing a few vegetables out
in the corner of the yard for a couple, you know,
a couple of months, go out there and do that,
(02:49):
and then you're going to find some worms underneath there.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You know it is you bring up a good point.
How easy it is, you know, just to I'm trying
to say this kindly, but our memories can become a
little bit more positive than they were at the time sometimes.
But be that as it may, there are some differences,
(03:14):
and you and I've talked about this fraud. A lot
of the homes that you that you know that we
grew up in, and many people grew up in, those
are houses that were not built in a development. They
were built in a place where basically the only disturbance
of the soil happened at where the house sets right.
And so a lot of the I'm interrupting just to
(03:37):
kind of give an example. One of the roads that
you know goes past our development, and I live in
a development. There are quite a few homes that I
actually looked into some of the property histories and built
in the nineteen seventies, ranch style homes, nineteen seventies, sixties
(03:58):
some of them. And when our lawn was going brown
here over the last month because of the drought, those
lawns were remaining green and last year and I talked
about exactly the same thing. Now, it got a little
bit worse last year, and I'm kind of overstating it,
but the point being is that the grass did not
(04:18):
go dormant as quickly.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Oh, and I reminded him
that break his soil was probably out of his basement.
So we'll talk more. We'll talk more about that after
the break with Buggy Joe Boggs. Here in the garden.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
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Speaker 1 (06:15):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for part two of three parts of the Buggy Joe
Bobbs re Porbos Joe Boggs. I was your extension B
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dot E d U. And I did remind Tony Bender
that the probably the soil in his backyard was from
(06:35):
his basement.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
It's it is, you know, I had been this first say,
first segment kind of went a little fast, isn't it.
I'm poor Gary, I mean, I tell you, and I've
already started talking about paint and everything call King and
everything else. Oh yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
You're you do that.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I do paint call I just well I read about it, Ron, Yeah,
I mean I'm an expert, you know, from the book perspective.
But back to the soil. You know, I used to
go big earthworms everywhere, right, I mean you could just
find them anywhere you are. And the first thing that
(07:13):
we have to keep in mind, though, is that we
have had some changes in our earthworms. Right, We've had
earthworms that are from mostly from Asia that have been
accidentally introduced. They're much more aggressive. You and I talked
about it before, a lot of different names, you know,
crazy worms, I forget the other jumping worms, and so
(07:38):
you know that's part of it. But we kind of
have to remember that a lot of our major earthworms
in the United States, particularly here in the North part
of the United States, are non natives as well, because
the glaciers wiped out, you know, the earthworms. The point
being though, is that is that you know, when you
and I are growing up, most of the soil or
(07:59):
around the holmes had not been heavily disturbed moved around
like you said the basement, you know, soil spread in
the front yard or the backyard, and so you had
a high organic batter and it was easy to find
much easier to find earth worms because that's what they eat.
And of course you had to go out with somebody
with a car battery hooked up to two electrodes that
(08:22):
they could stick into the ground. Right. I that was magical.
When I first saw that, I thought, man, this is
this is this is magical. And it also disclosed something else,
and that was that you know, hand digging wasn't so easy,
(08:43):
so as you had to find earth worms, that wasn't
the best way to do it. So as you, as
you advise, just pile up some you know, leftover vegetable scraps,
things like that. Be careful piling up such things as
grass clippings, because you can, really you can. You know,
they can compact down to the point where you get
(09:03):
what we call anaerobic decomposition. Then you get a big
stinky thing, and even earthworms won't go into that, right.
But but you know, a compost pile, and I like
I like seeing compost bins, you know that are maintained
or even you know the the the I forget the
name of them, you know, the the above ground. They
(09:26):
look like a cement mixer, just compost tumbler. Thank you,
thank you. More coffee is in the future for me,
is all I can say. But but I love seeing those.
They look very neat and they should. But you know,
just just in the back corner of your property or whatever,
if you have a place to just pile up organic matter,
(09:46):
turn it occasionally. But if you're a fisherman, that's where
you're going to get the earthworms.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
That's why I told him, I said, you start a
little compost pile in the back corner of your property.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
He said. The problem is he doesn't fish anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Well, it's still a good thing to do. It's still
but beyond that, you know, you know, I've talked about
soils before. I mean, it's the foundation upon which we
build plants, and it is amazing. And you know, I
talked about soil testing, but you know, it is amazing
(10:24):
how easy it is to forget about the importance of
soil myself included. Ron. I'm saying that very fast because
even though you and I talk about all the time,
how often, you know, do we start on a you know,
a diagnostic conversation where we're above ground when we should
(10:45):
be thinking below ground. I mean, it's I just did
that the other day and it just occurred to me.
You know, I can't believe I didn't. I didn't think
about that part that we cannot see that it is
so important. So we're going into the fall and we're
making plans for next year soil test that should be
done right now, that should be done, you know, as
(11:08):
you're wrapping things up, don't you know, don't migrate to
the couch to watch Ohio State win another games.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well maybe today at eleven you want to set.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, all right, that's true, that's true. Okay, go out
this afternoon when the lesser teams are playing.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
There you go, there, you go.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yes, that's right. When when does the when does the
tide come out? Roll out? I mean I'm not sure
when they.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Roll out this that's when you can work in the yard.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's right. That's when you go out because you know
you've just you've seen the best place that's right now
you're going to, that's right. Harold's probably looking for the
phone right now.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right, he's laughing, probably spin his coffee out.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
But you know, it is the perfect time of the
year to soil test, if you depends on what state
you're in. You know, they're I just realized that didn't
come out quite right.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well, no, that doesn't work either.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, that's right, that's right. And and for those that
have had all their coffee yet, I mean a mean
GEO the geographic region. I like that. Then that will
influence a bit on how you may go about soul testing.
In some cases, you know, the Extension office can be
very directly involved we're not in Ohio other than providing
(12:30):
you with help. And you can get kits sol testing kits,
for example, at the Franklin County Extension Office, but not
every extension office has that. But the point being is
if you go actually for anyone it just ignore the
last part of it. But if you go to a
website called Ohio Line, it's just one word Ohio and
(12:54):
then L I N E. That's where our fact sheets
show up, and we do. You have a fact sheet
on soul testing for Horticultural Needs and you and I
talked about that before, and it's soil testing for Horticultural Needs.
It's an updated version. Why I said to ignore the
back part of it is that we well, maybe not
(13:16):
actually we have a list of soil testing labs there,
but we chose the labs that were in and around Ohio.
You can still use them, you know, if you're in
Georgia or Alabama or where you probably have labs closer hand.
The point being is read the first part of it,
because we described very clearly how to go about, you know,
getting the samples, why you should do it and all that.
(13:39):
And this is the perfect time of the year to
do it because you'll get your results back. Number one,
if you're thinking about planting, let's say a tree or
a shrub set doing something like that in your landscaping,
this can help guide you on what type of plants
might do best. I would predict, for example, someone soil
(14:00):
testing here in Greater Cincinnati, we probably would We probably
would learn we can't plant rhododendrons right well we might,
well we could, we could, but you're shoveling against the tide.
You know, That's how I worked a Yeah, I'm just
going to keep doing that. But but if you you know,
(14:20):
these what'll called airicacious plants, that's the family. They really
like acidic soils. And if you find your soil is
is basic, is high in pH then air cacious plants
like rhododendrons and azaleas may not do well. But you know,
you go down to South Carolina, right and there are
(14:41):
you know, a zeale capital of the world. You can
grow as, and you'll find the soil down there is different.
But we're speaking in broad brushes because some soil test
results within our region can be slightly acidic ron and
that you know, that always surprises me when that occurs.
But that's because we had glacial wash, so we have
a little different soils and a little different locations. However,
(15:05):
as you and I keep preaching, let the soil tests
select your plants. I'll just let that kind of.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And you can make your adjustments now exactly if you're
doing something for next spring, there's a lot of these
things that you need to make adjustments. You could be
doing that now and be ready to go next spring. Uh,
based on your so And again I'm glad you brought
up the PAH thing because so many people think the
soil test looking for the np K, which you know,
(15:38):
that's fine, uh, and it's probably always going to be
low and nitrogen, don't you think in many cases. But
but you know, but the PA so important and and
a lot of times they don't think about that pH
and how important role if that plays in our soils
and the plants that we choose, you know how you know,
the whole nine yards and it's uh. But again, soil testing,
(16:01):
we preach it, we preach it, we preach it, but
yet folks don't do it. But if the folks do
do it, are glad that they did it because they
learned a lot about the soil exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And again, if you want to plant azelias and high
pH soils, you can do it. If you plan that
you're going to have to acidify the soil every year,
and which is okay too if you know you need
to do it. But you know beautiful, yeah, you know
ahead of time, you know your work's going to be
cut out for you. But we do have some beautiful
as elias in Greater Cincinnati where people do that, you know,
(16:32):
and I should I should stress that. But good time
of a year to make that part of your planning.
And then after the break, which I have the feeling
is coming up, we're going to be talking about one
of our one of our favorite insects. It has been
with us all season. Basically you have them hanging out
around Yeah, I think next to your porch or next
(16:52):
to your steps, probably so, probably so. So we're going
to head into the pits.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
All right, Oh wo sounds good. We'll leave you with
that one roll roll tide and take a break, and
then we come back. We'll talk more about what's in
those pits with Buggy Joe Boggs Here in the garden
with Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (18:36):
Welcome back to time for part three. Yes, you missed
the first two parts, it's part three. How about you,
Joe bog and Port Joe Boggs always your extension bygl
dot Osu dot Eedu. We're gonna find out what's in
those pits. But before we find out what's in those pits,
you know, I don't know. I know you didn't catch
us earlier on our show because you just got up
about twenty minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But talking about I mean, I'll.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
He's doing that late in bed. I hope you know this.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I am. I'm just lounging around.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I get it. All the research coming out today and
just some more that just came out. Why you and
I are so healthy because kids would get to play
in the dirt and mud and garden and the grass
and the whole nine yards. The microbial activity that they
get on their skin and then their microorganisms and their
gut from doing that makes them a lot healthier. And
(19:29):
of course, uh mind, you know, psychological well being as well,
and just how important it is to let kids get
dirty in the yard and garden eat a little dirtru
come mom and grandma say, eat a little dirt. Well,
there was a reason for that.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Mud pies were literal, right, Oh, absolutely, it is true.
It is a very interesting thing when you look at that. Yes,
you know, we want to protect our children. You know
we through that. I mean, maybe we protected our children
a little more than we were protected. I think that
happens with these generations. However, however, you know when we
(20:12):
look now at at some of the things that are
all that also come out about about different microbes, different
things that can be out there in the soil, and
every once in a while there's a story that pops
up about, you know, something to do with mults, or
maybe you can be you know, stabbed by you know,
a rose thorn and have a bad infection. All those
(20:33):
things can happen. I mean, it's just the fact is
we share the planet with a lot of microorganisms that
kind of don't have our best interests in mind all
the time. But on the other hand, exposure to some
of those just like getting an inoculation. You know, I've
I'm waiting, I'm going to have to get my flu
vaccine here shortly can protect us against you know, becoming ill.
(20:55):
It works the same way. It works exactly the same
way that exposure. So yeah, that's that's kind of interesting.
That is something that uh I even remember back, you know,
when my children were playing outside and every so often,
you know, Kate len would come up and oh, gosh sake,
she's all dirty, you know, kind of well we better
(21:18):
clean her up, you know, a little bit of a panic. Well,
you and I probably ran around looking that way, you know,
looking for Sunday.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Started licking her arms.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Oh my gosh, I tell you, we would just get
out the washcloth, right, you know, I don't know why.
Well at least she at least she never fell into
the pits that were.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I didn't mean to get us off like that, but yeah,
So so what are these pets that you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Well, you know it started with with we talked about
this earlier in the season, and and you have these
uh well they're next to your deck is that back steps? Front,
next to the front door. So while we're talking about
are what are commonly called ant lions, and the and
the name is because they feed on ants. They feed
(22:11):
on a lot of other different insects. But the way
they do it is they make these conical pits in
the soil. And of course they're pit traps actually, so
picture in your mind, and I'm actually going to do
a big alert even though it's picture in your mind,
the pit of doom. I'm sorry you got me started there.
(22:32):
I don't know where that came from. At the bottom
of these pits, their arrests a single insect. And if
you look closely, if you look down in there, and
and sometimes you might want to consider shining a flashlight
down there, because again you can have shadows. These are
these are are a conical pit in the dry soil,
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and that's important. You may see these two structures that
look like sickles, look like grass sharing, you know, the
sickles that we would cut grass with. There are two
of them, and they're opposite of each other, and they're
they're open. You have to look closely to see this.
Well that is the business end.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You can see them.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, they are. They're exposed. It's and the
first time I ever saw it, it's like I can't Yeah.
The rest of the insect is off the one side, buried,
but that's the business end. Those are the mandibles, and
they they are depending on the species, they're either have
a groove to the inside or they are hollow. So
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now let's go back and kind of step wise progression.
How'd you like that? Then stepping into a pit. Let's
say you're a little ant and you're crawing along you
fall into this pit. Well, you know, ants probably fall
off and the things all the time, except in this
case it's lined with loose soil because ant lions love
to make their pits in dry soil. So it's not
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just to keep themselves alive by not being flooded, it's
so that dry soil can be formed into a pit.
This insect is one of the very few insects. In fact,
we were talking about eye and another nimog were talking
about this last week. I think maybe it's the only
group of insects that can only walk backwards. They can't
(24:22):
walk forwards. And so what they do in this loose
soil is they go backwards and they spiral, and they
just keep spiraling and spiraling until they're spiraling down because
as they're moving backwards, they're flipping soil out. So they
construct these pits. They do it at night, and pretty quickly.
(24:44):
When you watch them, it's amazing how fast they get
this done. So at the bottom of the pit, once
they construct their pit, they are they're waiting there. If
their mandibles open and the ant comes along stumbles in
as it tries to climb out of the pit. Of course,
it's trying to climb against loose soil particles. And if
that doesn't work, if they don't fall in and get
(25:05):
grabbed by these mandibles, the ant lion starts using its
head and it actually starts flipping dirt soil at its victim.
I'm sorry for laughing. That's not awful, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, Well, eventually, you know, as soon as that ant
gets down to the bottom and the sickle shaped mandibles
close on it, and then the antline injects a little
bit of saliva that has digestive enzymes, and it dissolves
the inside of the insect, and then they have an
insect slurpe. Now, if you look closely, yes, if you
(25:39):
look closely around the edge of these pits, you'll see
dehydrated looking you know, those kind of you know, just
discarded past victims. So they're very entertaining. If you see them,
don't destroy them. They're doing a good thing. And we
finally got to talk about antlines before the end of
the program.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
By the way, I'm going to tell everybody on Joe
Bobs he used to do that. He used to do
in his house ant lions on top of an ant
farm and to let the ants fall into the antlions
for entertainment for his kids.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
It was called the anti ant farm, the.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Anti ant farm at Buggy Joe Boggs. Joe Boggs always
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Welcome back. You're in the garden with Brahmin Wilson. And
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(00:21):
ed U, Ladies and gentlemen, Buggy Joe Bull are you awake?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm awake. I'm although you know, the sun isn't quite up.
I don't know what is going on there. I mean,
Kevin was saying, a beautiful sunrise. I'm thinking, I'll wait
a minute, where is Kevin?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What tree standing is Kevin in this morning that he's
seeing that work earth sun come up already?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, I'll tell you, I think I think he picked
one of the better, one of the best. You guys
were talking about one of the best tree he's and
I I kind of question marked that at the end
because it's a it's not a big tree. No, you know,
it's not going to be like an oak. But my goodness,
he's right about the pollinators. Sometimes it gets dangerous under those.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I started to say, you know, and I were running
out of time because I was going to say, you
should see Joe Boggs when he's standing around a seven sunflower.
He's in seventh Heaven with all those bugs flying around everywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, well, that's why the danger, isn't I said that wrong.
I'm sure some of the listeners thought, well, wait a minute,
I don't want a tree. You know, it's going to
bring in a lot of insects. Maybe exactly, that's the
danger right there. And other entomologists just tripping over themselves.
I mean, goodness, that's that's the problem there.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You know, you you had the ant farm when you
were growing up, and of course with your kids as well.
Did you ever do verma composting? No?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I did. I really didn't. Oh well, you know, I
take it back, I didn't. I didn't realize that, you know,
growing up. You know again where you you know you
you grew up in applech I did too, in West
Virginia that you know, our trash pal was really verma culturing.
We there you go with that when we didn't have
(02:15):
hogs to feed the left up of vegetables.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Then you know when we when we put them out
there in the pile, that's uh, that's where we did
get fish, fishing worms. I mean, I'm actually, I'm actually
serious about that now I come to think of it.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, Tony Bender, Tony Bender was talking the other day
about fishing. He said, you know what I used to
when I was a kid. I could go somewhere and
I could dig in our backyard, get three or four nightcrawlers,
get them out there and go fishing. He said, I
couldn't find those a day in my yard whatsoever. And
I said, well, that's a little bit different. I said.
You try compost pile or throwing a few vegetables out
in the corner of the yard for a couple, you know,
a couple of months, go out there and do that,
(02:49):
and then you're going to find some worms underneath there.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You know it is you bring up a good point.
How easy it is, you know, just to I'm trying
to say this kindly, but our memories can become a
little bit more positive than they were at the time sometimes.
But be that as it may, there are some differences,
(03:14):
and you and I've talked about this fraud. A lot
of the homes that you that you know that we
grew up in, and many people grew up in, those
are houses that were not built in a development. They
were built in a place where basically the only disturbance
of the soil happened at where the house sets right.
And so a lot of the I'm interrupting just to
(03:37):
kind of give an example. One of the roads that
you know goes past our development, and I live in
a development. There are quite a few homes that I
actually looked into some of the property histories and built
in the nineteen seventies, ranch style homes, nineteen seventies, sixties
(03:58):
some of them. And when our lawn was going brown
here over the last month because of the drought, those
lawns were remaining green and last year and I talked
about exactly the same thing. Now, it got a little
bit worse last year, and I'm kind of overstating it,
but the point being is that the grass did not
(04:18):
go dormant as quickly.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Oh, and I reminded him
that break his soil was probably out of his basement.
So we'll talk more. We'll talk more about that after
the break with Buggy Joe Boggs. Here in the garden.
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Speaker 1 (06:15):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for part two of three parts of the Buggy Joe
Bobbs re Porbos Joe Boggs. I was your extension B
White easy b y G L dot O s U
dot E d U. And I did remind Tony Bender
that the probably the soil in his backyard was from
(06:35):
his basement.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
It's it is, you know, I had been this first say,
first segment kind of went a little fast, isn't it.
I'm poor Gary, I mean, I tell you, and I've
already started talking about paint and everything call King and
everything else. Oh yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
You're you do that.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I do paint call I just well I read about it, Ron, Yeah,
I mean I'm an expert, you know, from the book perspective.
But back to the soil. You know, I used to
go big earthworms everywhere, right, I mean you could just
find them anywhere you are. And the first thing that
(07:13):
we have to keep in mind, though, is that we
have had some changes in our earthworms. Right, We've had
earthworms that are from mostly from Asia that have been
accidentally introduced. They're much more aggressive. You and I talked
about it before, a lot of different names, you know,
crazy worms, I forget the other jumping worms, and so
(07:38):
you know that's part of it. But we kind of
have to remember that a lot of our major earthworms
in the United States, particularly here in the North part
of the United States, are non natives as well, because
the glaciers wiped out, you know, the earthworms. The point
being though, is that is that you know, when you
and I are growing up, most of the soil or
(07:59):
around the holmes had not been heavily disturbed moved around
like you said the basement, you know, soil spread in
the front yard or the backyard, and so you had
a high organic batter and it was easy to find
much easier to find earth worms because that's what they eat.
And of course you had to go out with somebody
with a car battery hooked up to two electrodes that
(08:22):
they could stick into the ground. Right. I that was magical.
When I first saw that, I thought, man, this is
this is this is magical. And it also disclosed something else,
and that was that you know, hand digging wasn't so easy,
(08:43):
so as you had to find earth worms, that wasn't
the best way to do it. So as you, as
you advise, just pile up some you know, leftover vegetable scraps,
things like that. Be careful piling up such things as
grass clippings, because you can, really you can. You know,
they can compact down to the point where you get
(09:03):
what we call anaerobic decomposition. Then you get a big
stinky thing, and even earthworms won't go into that, right.
But but you know, a compost pile, and I like
I like seeing compost bins, you know that are maintained
or even you know the the the I forget the
name of them, you know, the the above ground. They
(09:26):
look like a cement mixer, just compost tumbler. Thank you,
thank you. More coffee is in the future for me,
is all I can say. But but I love seeing those.
They look very neat and they should. But you know,
just just in the back corner of your property or whatever,
if you have a place to just pile up organic matter,
(09:46):
turn it occasionally. But if you're a fisherman, that's where
you're going to get the earthworms.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
That's why I told him, I said, you start a
little compost pile in the back corner of your property.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
He said. The problem is he doesn't fish anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Well, it's still a good thing to do. It's still
but beyond that, you know, you know, I've talked about
soils before. I mean, it's the foundation upon which we
build plants, and it is amazing. And you know, I
talked about soil testing, but you know, it is amazing
(10:24):
how easy it is to forget about the importance of
soil myself included. Ron. I'm saying that very fast because
even though you and I talk about all the time,
how often, you know, do we start on a you know,
a diagnostic conversation where we're above ground when we should
(10:45):
be thinking below ground. I mean, it's I just did
that the other day and it just occurred to me.
You know, I can't believe I didn't. I didn't think
about that part that we cannot see that it is
so important. So we're going into the fall and we're
making plans for next year soil test that should be
done right now, that should be done, you know, as
(11:08):
you're wrapping things up, don't you know, don't migrate to
the couch to watch Ohio State win another games.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well maybe today at eleven you want to set.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, all right, that's true, that's true. Okay, go out
this afternoon when the lesser teams are playing.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
There you go, there, you go.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yes, that's right. When when does the when does the
tide come out? Roll out? I mean I'm not sure
when they.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Roll out this that's when you can work in the yard.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's right. That's when you go out because you know
you've just you've seen the best place that's right now
you're going to, that's right. Harold's probably looking for the
phone right now.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right, he's laughing, probably spin his coffee out.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
But you know, it is the perfect time of the
year to soil test, if you depends on what state
you're in. You know, they're I just realized that didn't
come out quite right.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well, no, that doesn't work either.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, that's right, that's right. And and for those that
have had all their coffee yet, I mean a mean
GEO the geographic region. I like that. Then that will
influence a bit on how you may go about soul testing.
In some cases, you know, the Extension office can be
very directly involved we're not in Ohio other than providing
(12:30):
you with help. And you can get kits sol testing kits,
for example, at the Franklin County Extension Office, but not
every extension office has that. But the point being is
if you go actually for anyone it just ignore the
last part of it. But if you go to a
website called Ohio Line, it's just one word Ohio and
(12:54):
then L I N E. That's where our fact sheets
show up, and we do. You have a fact sheet
on soul testing for Horticultural Needs and you and I
talked about that before, and it's soil testing for Horticultural Needs.
It's an updated version. Why I said to ignore the
back part of it is that we well, maybe not
(13:16):
actually we have a list of soil testing labs there,
but we chose the labs that were in and around Ohio.
You can still use them, you know, if you're in
Georgia or Alabama or where you probably have labs closer hand.
The point being is read the first part of it,
because we described very clearly how to go about, you know,
getting the samples, why you should do it and all that.
(13:39):
And this is the perfect time of the year to
do it because you'll get your results back. Number one,
if you're thinking about planting, let's say a tree or
a shrub set doing something like that in your landscaping,
this can help guide you on what type of plants
might do best. I would predict, for example, someone soil
(14:00):
testing here in Greater Cincinnati, we probably would We probably
would learn we can't plant rhododendrons right well we might,
well we could, we could, but you're shoveling against the tide.
You know, That's how I worked a Yeah, I'm just
going to keep doing that. But but if you you know,
(14:20):
these what'll called airicacious plants, that's the family. They really
like acidic soils. And if you find your soil is
is basic, is high in pH then air cacious plants
like rhododendrons and azaleas may not do well. But you know,
you go down to South Carolina, right and there are
(14:41):
you know, a zeale capital of the world. You can
grow as, and you'll find the soil down there is different.
But we're speaking in broad brushes because some soil test
results within our region can be slightly acidic ron and
that you know, that always surprises me when that occurs.
But that's because we had glacial wash, so we have
a little different soils and a little different locations. However,
(15:05):
as you and I keep preaching, let the soil tests
select your plants. I'll just let that kind of.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And you can make your adjustments now exactly if you're
doing something for next spring, there's a lot of these
things that you need to make adjustments. You could be
doing that now and be ready to go next spring. Uh,
based on your so And again I'm glad you brought
up the PAH thing because so many people think the
soil test looking for the np K, which you know,
(15:38):
that's fine, uh, and it's probably always going to be
low and nitrogen, don't you think in many cases. But
but you know, but the PA so important and and
a lot of times they don't think about that pH
and how important role if that plays in our soils
and the plants that we choose, you know how you know,
the whole nine yards and it's uh. But again, soil testing,
(16:01):
we preach it, we preach it, we preach it, but
yet folks don't do it. But if the folks do
do it, are glad that they did it because they
learned a lot about the soil exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And again, if you want to plant azelias and high
pH soils, you can do it. If you plan that
you're going to have to acidify the soil every year,
and which is okay too if you know you need
to do it. But you know beautiful, yeah, you know
ahead of time, you know your work's going to be
cut out for you. But we do have some beautiful
as elias in Greater Cincinnati where people do that, you know,
(16:32):
and I should I should stress that. But good time
of a year to make that part of your planning.
And then after the break, which I have the feeling
is coming up, we're going to be talking about one
of our one of our favorite insects. It has been
with us all season. Basically you have them hanging out
around Yeah, I think next to your porch or next
(16:52):
to your steps, probably so, probably so. So we're going
to head into the pits.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
All right, Oh wo sounds good. We'll leave you with
that one roll roll tide and take a break, and
then we come back. We'll talk more about what's in
those pits with Buggy Joe Boggs Here in the garden
with Ron Wilson.
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Speaker 1 (18:36):
Welcome back to time for part three. Yes, you missed
the first two parts, it's part three. How about you,
Joe bog and Port Joe Boggs always your extension bygl
dot Osu dot Eedu. We're gonna find out what's in
those pits. But before we find out what's in those pits,
you know, I don't know. I know you didn't catch
us earlier on our show because you just got up
about twenty minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But talking about I mean, I'll.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
He's doing that late in bed. I hope you know this.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I am. I'm just lounging around.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I get it. All the research coming out today and
just some more that just came out. Why you and
I are so healthy because kids would get to play
in the dirt and mud and garden and the grass
and the whole nine yards. The microbial activity that they
get on their skin and then their microorganisms and their
gut from doing that makes them a lot healthier. And
(19:29):
of course, uh mind, you know, psychological well being as well,
and just how important it is to let kids get
dirty in the yard and garden eat a little dirtru
come mom and grandma say, eat a little dirt. Well,
there was a reason for that.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Mud pies were literal, right, Oh, absolutely, it is true.
It is a very interesting thing when you look at that. Yes,
you know, we want to protect our children. You know
we through that. I mean, maybe we protected our children
a little more than we were protected. I think that
happens with these generations. However, however, you know when we
(20:12):
look now at at some of the things that are
all that also come out about about different microbes, different
things that can be out there in the soil, and
every once in a while there's a story that pops
up about, you know, something to do with mults, or
maybe you can be you know, stabbed by you know,
a rose thorn and have a bad infection. All those
(20:33):
things can happen. I mean, it's just the fact is
we share the planet with a lot of microorganisms that
kind of don't have our best interests in mind all
the time. But on the other hand, exposure to some
of those just like getting an inoculation. You know, I've
I'm waiting, I'm going to have to get my flu
vaccine here shortly can protect us against you know, becoming ill.
(20:55):
It works the same way. It works exactly the same
way that exposure. So yeah, that's that's kind of interesting.
That is something that uh I even remember back, you know,
when my children were playing outside and every so often,
you know, Kate len would come up and oh, gosh sake,
she's all dirty, you know, kind of well we better
(21:18):
clean her up, you know, a little bit of a panic. Well,
you and I probably ran around looking that way, you know,
looking for Sunday.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Started licking her arms.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Oh my gosh, I tell you, we would just get
out the washcloth, right, you know, I don't know why.
Well at least she at least she never fell into
the pits that were.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I didn't mean to get us off like that, but yeah,
So so what are these pets that you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Well, you know it started with with we talked about
this earlier in the season, and and you have these
uh well they're next to your deck is that back steps? Front,
next to the front door. So while we're talking about
are what are commonly called ant lions, and the and
the name is because they feed on ants. They feed
(22:11):
on a lot of other different insects. But the way
they do it is they make these conical pits in
the soil. And of course they're pit traps actually, so
picture in your mind, and I'm actually going to do
a big alert even though it's picture in your mind,
the pit of doom. I'm sorry you got me started there.
(22:32):
I don't know where that came from. At the bottom
of these pits, their arrests a single insect. And if
you look closely, if you look down in there, and
and sometimes you might want to consider shining a flashlight
down there, because again you can have shadows. These are
these are are a conical pit in the dry soil,
(22:55):
and that's important. You may see these two structures that
look like sickles, look like grass sharing, you know, the
sickles that we would cut grass with. There are two
of them, and they're opposite of each other, and they're
they're open. You have to look closely to see this.
Well that is the business end.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You can see them.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, they are. They're exposed. It's and the
first time I ever saw it, it's like I can't Yeah.
The rest of the insect is off the one side, buried,
but that's the business end. Those are the mandibles, and
they they are depending on the species, they're either have
a groove to the inside or they are hollow. So
(23:39):
now let's go back and kind of step wise progression.
How'd you like that? Then stepping into a pit. Let's
say you're a little ant and you're crawing along you
fall into this pit. Well, you know, ants probably fall
off and the things all the time, except in this
case it's lined with loose soil because ant lions love
to make their pits in dry soil. So it's not
(24:01):
just to keep themselves alive by not being flooded, it's
so that dry soil can be formed into a pit.
This insect is one of the very few insects. In fact,
we were talking about eye and another nimog were talking
about this last week. I think maybe it's the only
group of insects that can only walk backwards. They can't
(24:22):
walk forwards. And so what they do in this loose
soil is they go backwards and they spiral, and they
just keep spiraling and spiraling until they're spiraling down because
as they're moving backwards, they're flipping soil out. So they
construct these pits. They do it at night, and pretty quickly.
(24:44):
When you watch them, it's amazing how fast they get
this done. So at the bottom of the pit, once
they construct their pit, they are they're waiting there. If
their mandibles open and the ant comes along stumbles in
as it tries to climb out of the pit. Of course,
it's trying to climb against loose soil particles. And if
that doesn't work, if they don't fall in and get
(25:05):
grabbed by these mandibles, the ant lion starts using its
head and it actually starts flipping dirt soil at its victim.
I'm sorry for laughing. That's not awful, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, Well, eventually, you know, as soon as that ant
gets down to the bottom and the sickle shaped mandibles
close on it, and then the antline injects a little
bit of saliva that has digestive enzymes, and it dissolves
the inside of the insect, and then they have an
insect slurpe. Now, if you look closely, yes, if you
(25:39):
look closely around the edge of these pits, you'll see
dehydrated looking you know, those kind of you know, just
discarded past victims. So they're very entertaining. If you see them,
don't destroy them. They're doing a good thing. And we
finally got to talk about antlines before the end of
the program.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
By the way, I'm going to tell everybody on Joe
Bobs he used to do that. He used to do
in his house ant lions on top of an ant
farm and to let the ants fall into the antlions
for entertainment for his kids.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
It was called the anti ant farm, the.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Anti ant farm at Buggy Joe Boggs. Joe Boggs always
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