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September 13, 2025 • 21 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. It
is time for Yes, ladies and gentlemen, strap yourselves in,
put your helmets on. Here we go. Time for the
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(00:23):
L dot O s U dot Eed you ladies and gentlemen,
mister common sensical himself Buggy Joe.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Bald, good morning. I'll tell you what a day. What
a day. It's just like yesterday and the day before that,
and tomorrow and the day before that.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
My goodness, Hey are you are you? Are you looking
for an investing opportunity? Have you seen? I think I
brought this up to you before because I cannot believe
how many companies now are and they're they're already produced
singing fertilizer made from bug poop.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yes, I I yeah, we run across that as we
would call frass, you know, I mean I I've even
thought about, you know, the.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Call it poop.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, because there is a good there. We have a
better word for it, fresh and you know, yes, frass
f R A S S. I mean it is. I
mean yeah, because well it's it's just it's you know,
it's just easier to to say manure. I mean, you know,
there are certain acceptable things we're going to get in
trouble here.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I can do manure count for insects.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
It could. I mean, it's all in the same it's
all in the.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Same family, comes from the same place, come to.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
The same place.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yes, I think you know. One of the main one
of the big suppliers of this frass that you would
rather call it is that black soldier fly because they're
they're produce using the larvae for chicken feed and bird feed,
and while they've got the black soldier flies and they're
collecting up their frass and the processing it and pelletizing

(02:11):
it and using it for for a fertilizer as well
as high feed the source of uh food for tilapia.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's just I'll tell you, it's a circle of life,
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
So I figured you'd be investing in things.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
And help it well investing. If I had the money,
I mean maybe I think I would I think it
is a it is a really good idea that they
are and I'm actually kind of serious.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm serious about it. They're doing it more and more.
I mean, it's a lot of research, and you read
about it, it's makes sense.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
It makes a lot of sense. And as a matter
of fact, it is amazing how we tend to forget
about that end of things, right, I mean when we
have you know, yes, that end of things I did. Well,
you know, you've you've got the beginning in the end,
and then you know, usually we talk about you know,

(03:12):
the in between, but vae, right, that would be the
larvae and and what they're doing and all that. But
you know, when insects are feeding on trees, for example,
what we used to call gypsy moth is now called
spongy moth. I think you've I think I believe you've
been in forests. I think we talked about this before.

(03:33):
Where the frass is raining down, you can hear it,
it's dropping down. Well, that does actually, that does contribute
nutrients to the soil. And so even though the trees
are being heavily defoliated, which you know is going to
cause damage, trees can refoliate and to help support that refoliation.

(03:56):
You know, the frass is in the soil like a fertilizer,
so you have the nutrients. You know, it's like you
have the same destruction. You have the destruction and then
you have rebuilding, both supported by the insect that's involved
in this case. Like I said, spongy moth. Again, we
kind of forget about that. We forget that, Yes they

(04:18):
cause damage, but they also support recovery. They are totally quiet. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you get to think on that way. Yeah, to think
about well, box tree moth. You know, we talked about
it a lot last week and then we had a
great webinar turn out over on Wednesday, Folks from all

(04:40):
over the country on it. And again, frass is a
way that we can detect it if we can't find
them in the bushes, which you know we we should
be able to see them. But it is interesting how
box tree moth, for example, and I think I mentioned
this last week, they like to start feeding for inside

(05:01):
the box woods. And you know, Ron, I'll tell you
I've seen boxwoods where you couldn't even tell they were
heavily infested inside, and then you part the foliage and
my goodness, you know, they're the catapulsum. It makes sense
that they're inside because that protects them from predation. And
of course it is a very important point and me
entomologists taking pictures and collecting them and so on. But

(05:23):
it does, it does hide them. And in frast rainy,
you know, you can you can see these pellets, like say,
on a sidewalk beneath boxwoods. I've seen that several times now,
where it would be easy just to walk past the
boxwoods and not even notice it. And of course you
and I how many times we've talked about this with

(05:44):
Tobaccos who made a hornworm. Yeah, yeah, it's it is
a very helpful indicator that something's going wrong. But but
like I said, you know, it is also a source
of nutrients, kind of like a recycling situation. But I
don't know how we got off on that. The great investment,

(06:07):
you know, when.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
These companies are starting to jump into this, I mean,
you can raise those soldier flies and raise their law.
You sell the larvae to the aquaponic people or the
chicken people, and then of course you sell the poop
I mean, sorry frast to gardeners, you know, and you
might as well have worm, you might as well have
a warm vermic composting in the next greenhouse over so

(06:27):
you can sell the worm castings or worm poop if
you'd like to do that as well. So I just
think it's interesting that they're doing it.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
And then you can use and then you can use
the water from the tilapia to irrigate the greens in
the greenhouse, like growing.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
In the third greenhouse.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, you know, it is very in all seriousness, it
is very interesting how how we are learning to, as
I said, you know, close these loops, you know, connect
these dots. Uh, It's easy to focus on just one
point in the spectrum. And I find a lot of

(07:04):
what's going on in greenhouses, and a lot of what's
going on in urban agriculture or growing food in urban centers,
very often in green houses or polyhouses or hoop houses.
I find, you know, this research to be very very fascinated,
and I know you do too, because we've talked about
these different ways that people are learning to take one

(07:26):
thing that would be a waste product, or would be
a side product, something that you wouldn't even take of
it as a product, and then use it for another purpose.
You know, in the water being used for irrigation. Now
that actually goes back centuries, believe it or not, where
that was a noted thing to do out of ponds,

(07:49):
for example, and then drained back in. So it's not
exactly a new idea, but it is one that we
are rediscovering is having great benefits.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
But you do have to be aware of in a
controlled environment.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
In a controlled environment, and that's just exactly where I
was hitting, because one thing you do have to be
aware of, and these I want to call them almost
closed loop systems, is that if something invades, if for example,
you get a fungal pathogen that can affect the plants,
one that comes to mind is fytotra. That's if I

(08:27):
even say that, I'm sure there's some greenhouse operators out
there that just you know, fell over just pytotra or pithium.
These are what are called water molds. And I misspoke
there just for a second. These aren't fungi. There are
some fungal pathogens, but these are water molds. They're in
a whole different area of taxonomy. They're not even closely

(08:48):
related to fungi. As a matter of fact. They actually
go through a stage where they're modal, they can swim, isn't.
But if you get those into a clothes looped irrigation system, well,
that can be disastrous because all of a sudden, now
you have it, you know, in the crop growing area

(09:10):
as well as in the irrigation area. Now, if we
look at some of the connecting the dots here, there
are things that nature can do to help mitigate these.
I mean, we find these all the time. You can
just about go anywhere and isolate water molds, but they
don't typically build to a point where they can become

(09:32):
seriously pathogenic to plants that we would like to grow. Again,
there's something that attacks something, you know, and that's in
this case, but if it's you're in a place like
a greenhouse, everything is closed, the irrigation recycles through. You
have to be aware, all right, we might accidentally get
a pathoge that introduced and that has, like I said,

(09:55):
that has been disastrous. On the other hand, you know,
there are things done to screen that water through. You know,
we can do the same thing that we do with
drinking water, you know, passing it through an ultraviolet light
filter or not really filter, it's ultra UV light, you know,
which kills everything. But it is the technology involved in

(10:17):
this just didn't happen overnight, and it happened based on
some very very serious research that some of it done
at Ohio State. I just have to, you know, a
little plug there for this little land grant university we're
involved with. Right.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, by the way, we'll have to take a break,
but we come back. I'll find out if Joe Boggs
is going to be at Penn State next weekend. Holy
saying what I'm going to ask me that?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Imagine you said that not the state pen. But I
got a little worried there.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I got to address the beagle that came out a
couple of weeks ago about yellow jackets are active, and
also what about the kissing bug. We'll talk about all
those after the break. Here in the garden with Ron Wilson.

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Speaker 1 (12:52):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
for Part two with a budget Joe Boggs Report. Mister
Joe Boggs, Oh is you extensive by yoh dot O,
s U dot E d U. So, are you headed
to uh University Park, Pennsylvania next week?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I am not. I'm going to be on TV. I'm
gonna be on I'm going to be watching TV on TV.
I'm gonna be on TV. Yeah, you'll see me running
around there. But no, no, Alas, I'm not headed to
the State pens uh Well.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
It was because it's it's the great insect fair.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well. I tell you, I do plan, and I hope
you're going to be there. I do plan to be
at at at a pretty darned interesting thing that is
occurring next week just just west of of Columbus. And
what am I referring to, I don't know. I'm referring

(13:52):
to a large agricultural Yes, yes, yes, farm science tream
next week. It is next week, and I will tell
you I'm going to put a big plug in for
it because it is. It is one of the most
interesting things to see the advances in farming equipment, which

(14:13):
you know is of course that's what we depend on
for food, and seeing these operations, looking at all the
different again research that's been done over the last year,
and and of course you can come and ask questions
and so and so forth. But I will be. I'm
planning to be. I got to start to sign up
for a stint. But I I'm hoping to be in

(14:33):
the uh the os UX, the Ohio State University Entomology bugmobile.
It's going to be on site. Yes, yes, I mean
that's like a high point year. I will take pictures.
There may be a there could be a big old posting.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Who knows that.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, farm Science Review. Uh it's, as I said,
a wonderful, wonderful event and uh as we're traveling for
quite frankly, I lose deals in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I was actually invited. I gave two talks there and
there was invited back.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
H well you, I mean well, and if you look
at the big old b y g L you'll also
see almost on the same grounds is the Wind Conservation
Center and uh and there's there are a series of

(15:32):
speakers there as well. So when you arrive, I know,
I'm just doing yeah yeah, well no, no, I've never
been asked back either. I mean we're in the same boat,
but but we have. I mean, Kerry Jagger is going
to be prepping and planting a pollinator garden, you know,

(15:55):
and this is gonna this this is is on Tuesday,
on Tuesday, September six teeth the science of maple syrup. Now,
who doesn't want to see that? That's just me? I
do plant pulp party the Paw Paul experience with ice
cream tasting.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
You just want to taste that too, I do.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
I do. As a matter of fact, my Pawpaul has
my landscape Paul Paul has delivered quite a few pawpaws
this year, good and and and and they taste fabulous.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I can't believe how much your family gave you grief
over planting that papaw.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
True, you know it does.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I still remember that when you first planted it. They
were always giving you grief for planting that thing.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, and this is something that that that listeners need
to know. Pop Paul's first. I want to go back
to readvisit what I said. They can be a beautiful
landscape plant.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yes, uh that you know.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Even though out in the woods. Yes, they reproduced by
riise you know underground stands riise on. So they pop
up all over the place save a Paul Paul patch.
And so there's a perception in the landscaping they will
do that. That's not true. In the landscaping. You can
have a single nice tree and if you're close enough

(17:13):
to other pow poles you know, out in the woods
or you know, even if we could get like neighbors,
you know, planting them, because they do need to have
you know, the genetic material coming from another I need
to cross with other popofs. You can get a bountiful
crop of poppolls right there and you're landscaping. That happened
this year. But they do establish slowly. If you get

(17:35):
a very small pawpall like I did a foot tall
that my family called the stick. It was very small.
I really had to be very careful and it was
a stick for unfortunately a couple of years, two to
three years, just sat there, you know, like you said,
with me taking grief. Me even my kids got in
on it. Yes, but now now who's left.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
That's right? You eat, eat your Paul pause without sharing them.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Because I just kind of go out on the you know,
go out on the back deck and just sort of
you know.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Up and having a little Paul Paul bright the way
we lived in Indiana on the farm, my mom would
shoot those out of the tree with the twenty two
because they were up in the tree.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
My goodness, your mom did that.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Mother did that, and that taught us a lesson to
stay away from you.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I was gonna say he was a pretty good shot. Hey,
you were careful when you were talking about frast Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Absolutely absolutely. By the way, we got about a minute ago.
I just wanted to say thank you for you and
Tom Dehas for posting. I think it was last week
that yellow jackets are active.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, I am.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I am nursing along a little swollen left hand and
it's itching like crazy. I've tried to our neighbors and
the picture that Tom posted on that big ole posting
is exactly like our neighbors. And uh, I did the phone.
I used that phone the spray and it really does work.
You know. They get that phone in there, they have

(19:11):
to crawl through that phone and it cuts them. Well,
it didn't foam, no surprise, surprise, there's no phone. And
they did wonder and I was it was the old
backing up as fast as I could back up, and
one got me in my left hand, right between my

(19:32):
thumb and my index finger there. So I didn't hurt
too bad, but it's uh, you know, it's okay. But
it didn't foam, but believe it or I went back later,
I emptied that whole thing in there. I didn't see
very many flying arounds, so I got a few of
them anyway. So yeah, test before you shoot, Test before
you shoot the foam spread.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I'm sorry. Yes, we've all been there. We've all been there.
Have a good week and go buck, go buck.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you, bye b go
enjoy your pap pause. Thanks all of our colors, Thanks
our sponsors, Thanks of course to uh Danny Gleese and
our producer, because as you all well know, without Danny
Gleese and none of this stuff would happen. So Danny,
thank you so much for all that you do to
make it all happen. Now do yourself a favorite. We're
you gonna plant those trees? One or two or three
or four? How many are gonna plant? Get this fall?

(20:22):
You have plenty of time, but let's get out there
and be planting trees. Keep planting those pollinator plants, keep
planting those native plants and those native selections. Pamper your worms,
keep them happy. You pamper your worms, your plants are
gonna be happy as well. Get the kids and dogs
involved with gardening, keep container gardening, keep planting those fall vegetables,
and by all means, make it the best weekend of
your life. See you

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Not gardening questions, Ron has the answer at one eight
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