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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It's Quinny Cantara Picks one oh six.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Hi, I got Joe Berlinger for you.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Wonderful Joe.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
You're on with Queen named Cantira.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Joe.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Welcome back, guys, We're good. Joe Emmy winning Academy Award
nominated director. We've talked him for a number of different projects,
but the newest project on Netflix Cold Case Who killed
John Bena Ramsey? How long has it been, Joe?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Thirty years, almost thirty years December twenty sixth ninety six.
He was sadly they discovered her body.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
But there's such a wealth of things to have documentaries
about from the ninety five to two thousand. I mean,
there's so many things that happened back then, and this
was one of the big ones. How do you what's
the elevator explanation to people who weren't born back then.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, well, it's, you know, a six year old beautiful
girl who participated in beauty pageants, which raised a lot
of eyebrows back in the day, you know, child beauty pageants.
Mother found a ransom note, think and the daughter was missing,
had been taken. As it turns out, as they further
investigated in the house, they found the girl's bobby. She
(01:07):
had been you know, sexually assaulted and murdered, and suspicion
quickly focused on the parents and the police, you know,
really started leaking false information to make the public feel
like the parents were guilty, and that perception lingers.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Today and they have a bad stigma. I mean, was
were we naive or I guess what was the what
was the police's reasoning to involve them?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, you know, I've done a lot of wrongful conviction stuff,
as you know, and you know, I see the same
patterns in wrongful conviction cases as I see here. I mean,
they weren't wrongfully convicted technically, the police never charged them,
but they were convicted by the court of public opinion,
which is which is just as bad. And you have
a small town police force overwhelmed by a crime that
(01:58):
they had never seen before. Or I mean, there's barely
a murders in Boulder. I think this was the first
murder all year, and it was December twenty sixth, and
they just fixated on this idea that John Ramsey was
acting weird. You know. They found a ransom note, the
start of a ransom note in a pad that was,
you know, belonged to the mother. But the explanation for
(02:22):
that is quite simple. There was an intruder who was
in the house practicing the ransom. Then, in my opinion,
so the perception is that the parents did it, and
my feeling is absolutely not. If you look at the
autopsy report and examine the way this girl actually died,
it's unthinkable to think the parents would have done this
(02:42):
over a bed wedding incident, which is what the police were.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I just don't understand the note in the house. Like
you said, the guy started a note, but then decide, oh,
I'm not going to do a ransom, I'm going to
rape and murder the I mean, look, you know, the
decisions have to be made by this psycho whoever did it,
and if he started to note, that tells me he
had planned.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's just weird, so strange.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of strange things that
are hard to explain, and a lot of people get
wrongfully convicted because people fixate on circumstantial things that are
hard to explain. But if you actually focus on the evidence,
if you follow the evidence, there's clear signs of an intruder.
The girl was tortured before she was killed in a
way that a parent wouldn't even have the expertise. You know,
(03:30):
she was choked with a garat around her neck that
was released and pressured and released and then pulled tight
like a mother does not even know how to fashion
that kind of a thing around the neck of her child.
It just it just defies logically, It.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Said Joe Berlin here from a cold case who killed
Joan Banney Ramsey, which is on Netflix right now. So,
I mean, I don't want to give anything away, but
do you are you pointing the finger at somebody when
this three part docu series is over.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
We're not pointing a specific finger because that would be
trial by television and I don't want to do to
a perpetrator, potential perpetrator what was done to the Ramseys
for decades. But we are demanding the show, as it
called action, that the Boulder Police do new DNA testing
because DNA technology has so far advanced that, you know,
(04:22):
we think the crime could be solved. You know, there's
one specific piece of DNA evidence. There's an unidentified foreign
male DNA that was mixed with John Bennet's blood and
so it's an I'm oversimplifying it, but it's a mixed sample.
And so there's now technology that can separate and resort
(04:43):
this DNA to come up with a much better profile
of the male to whom this DNA belonged. And then
there's now great advances in genealogical DNA testing, like twenty
three and meters family type DNA that's been used to
sell some cold cases recently, and so we want all
of these tools available for the family to finally, you know,
(05:05):
have some peace.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You you think that part of our fascination back in
the mid nineties was a lot of America wasn't used
to seeing like a six year old beauty queen that
was like reserve Southern bells like, so that was kind
of the fascination part too for a lot of America.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, you know, a lot of people were very you know,
you know, judgmental to negatively towards the parents because this
girl participated in child beauty pageants and it just seems
strange to everyone. And footage from the beauty pageants were distributed,
you know, by the people who shot the footage, not
by the family, and it was the number one news
(05:40):
story airing this footage night after night.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You know, to blame for many for a lot of that,
aren't they car TV?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
No, I blame more of an irresponsible media that just
ran with a story. I mean, you remember the mid nineties,
was you know, OJ just happened. There was an explosion
of news that year, all of a sudden news became
you know, tabloid journalism became extremely profitable, and they were
looking for the next story after OJ, and this one
(06:09):
just hit the bill perfectly.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
The brother, too, is was a suspect if I remember.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Correctly, Oh yeah, it's like yeah, and people still speculate that.
I mean, to the police's credit, they ruled out the
brother early on. It's more the web sloops and the
reddit crowd that's obsessed with this case.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
A lot of.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
People, you know, in those message boards you'll see, still
think the brother didn't and if you just analyze the
autopsy reports, just absurd to think that. So.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Jean Manday's mom had passed, But the brother and the
father who's eighties still alive, are they are they in
this documentary?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
The father is yes. I had a lot of cooperation
from John Rampy because he really wants to get the
case solved, and the brother, who's a suspect, decided not
to participate because he's been so brutalized by the media.
You know, there was a twenty sixteen documentary done by
CBS that really overtly pointed a finger at the brother
and the family you know, sued them for libel and
(07:06):
defamation and won, you know, a million dollars. Low.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You surprised that the father's still alive. I mean, this
took a lot of It's took a lot of life
from him, in't it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Oh my god? I think you know, I have such
admiration for the guy. You know, he lost a previous
daughter in a car accident before John Benay. The girl
was twenty two, and then John Beney was helping them
through that tragedy of having lost another child, and then
she's viciously murdered. His wife, Patsy gets ovarian cancer, and
(07:41):
I think all the pressure of the daughter being murdered
and being blamed for the crime made her come out
of remission and ultimately this killed her in two thousand
and six. And this guy and then and he's been
for decades blamed for this crime. So and He's still
standing and still you know, had a level head and
still is like pounding the table to get this crime solved.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Does he have any money left? After all this?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
He got pretty wiped out, you know. I mean they
get by, but you know they they lost everything as
a result of being blamed for this. You know how
to sell homes and assets that are paper lawyers? Well,
I gragic.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I guarantee people are going to crush cold case who
killed John and a Ramsey over this upcoming holiday. I
can't wait to watch it. Good luck Joe Burling here
and thanks for the time.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Nice to speak to you.
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It's Quinny Cantara Picks one oh six.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Hi, I got Joe Berlinger for you.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Wonderful Joe.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
You're on with Queen named Cantira.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Joe.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Welcome back, guys, We're good. Joe Emmy winning Academy Award
nominated director. We've talked him for a number of different projects,
but the newest project on Netflix Cold Case Who killed
John Bena Ramsey? How long has it been, Joe?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Thirty years, almost thirty years December twenty sixth ninety six.
He was sadly they discovered her body.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
But there's such a wealth of things to have documentaries
about from the ninety five to two thousand. I mean,
there's so many things that happened back then, and this
was one of the big ones. How do you what's
the elevator explanation to people who weren't born back then.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, well, it's, you know, a six year old beautiful
girl who participated in beauty pageants, which raised a lot
of eyebrows back in the day, you know, child beauty pageants.
Mother found a ransom note, think and the daughter was missing,
had been taken. As it turns out, as they further
investigated in the house, they found the girl's bobby. She
(01:07):
had been you know, sexually assaulted and murdered, and suspicion
quickly focused on the parents and the police, you know,
really started leaking false information to make the public feel
like the parents were guilty, and that perception lingers.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Today and they have a bad stigma. I mean, was
were we naive or I guess what was the what
was the police's reasoning to involve them?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, you know, I've done a lot of wrongful conviction stuff,
as you know, and you know, I see the same
patterns in wrongful conviction cases as I see here. I mean,
they weren't wrongfully convicted technically, the police never charged them,
but they were convicted by the court of public opinion,
which is which is just as bad. And you have
a small town police force overwhelmed by a crime that
(01:58):
they had never seen before. Or I mean, there's barely
a murders in Boulder. I think this was the first
murder all year, and it was December twenty sixth, and
they just fixated on this idea that John Ramsey was
acting weird. You know. They found a ransom note, the
start of a ransom note in a pad that was,
you know, belonged to the mother. But the explanation for
(02:22):
that is quite simple. There was an intruder who was
in the house practicing the ransom. Then, in my opinion,
so the perception is that the parents did it, and
my feeling is absolutely not. If you look at the
autopsy report and examine the way this girl actually died,
it's unthinkable to think the parents would have done this
(02:42):
over a bed wedding incident, which is what the police were.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I just don't understand the note in the house. Like
you said, the guy started a note, but then decide, oh,
I'm not going to do a ransom, I'm going to
rape and murder the I mean, look, you know, the
decisions have to be made by this psycho whoever did it,
and if he started to note, that tells me he
had planned.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's just weird, so strange.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of strange things that
are hard to explain, and a lot of people get
wrongfully convicted because people fixate on circumstantial things that are
hard to explain. But if you actually focus on the evidence,
if you follow the evidence, there's clear signs of an intruder.
The girl was tortured before she was killed in a
way that a parent wouldn't even have the expertise. You know,
(03:30):
she was choked with a garat around her neck that
was released and pressured and released and then pulled tight
like a mother does not even know how to fashion
that kind of a thing around the neck of her child.
It just it just defies logically, It.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Said Joe Berlin here from a cold case who killed
Joan Banney Ramsey, which is on Netflix right now. So,
I mean, I don't want to give anything away, but
do you are you pointing the finger at somebody when
this three part docu series is over.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
We're not pointing a specific finger because that would be
trial by television and I don't want to do to
a perpetrator, potential perpetrator what was done to the Ramseys
for decades. But we are demanding the show, as it
called action, that the Boulder Police do new DNA testing
because DNA technology has so far advanced that, you know,
(04:22):
we think the crime could be solved. You know, there's
one specific piece of DNA evidence. There's an unidentified foreign
male DNA that was mixed with John Bennet's blood and
so it's an I'm oversimplifying it, but it's a mixed sample.
And so there's now technology that can separate and resort
(04:43):
this DNA to come up with a much better profile
of the male to whom this DNA belonged. And then
there's now great advances in genealogical DNA testing, like twenty
three and meters family type DNA that's been used to
sell some cold cases recently, and so we want all
of these tools available for the family to finally, you know,
(05:05):
have some peace.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You you think that part of our fascination back in
the mid nineties was a lot of America wasn't used
to seeing like a six year old beauty queen that
was like reserve Southern bells like, so that was kind
of the fascination part too for a lot of America.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, you know, a lot of people were very you know,
you know, judgmental to negatively towards the parents because this
girl participated in child beauty pageants and it just seems
strange to everyone. And footage from the beauty pageants were distributed,
you know, by the people who shot the footage, not
by the family, and it was the number one news
(05:40):
story airing this footage night after night.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You know, to blame for many for a lot of that,
aren't they car TV?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
No, I blame more of an irresponsible media that just
ran with a story. I mean, you remember the mid nineties,
was you know, OJ just happened. There was an explosion
of news that year, all of a sudden news became
you know, tabloid journalism became extremely profitable, and they were
looking for the next story after OJ, and this one
(06:09):
just hit the bill perfectly.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
The brother, too, is was a suspect if I remember.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Correctly, Oh yeah, it's like yeah, and people still speculate that.
I mean, to the police's credit, they ruled out the
brother early on. It's more the web sloops and the
reddit crowd that's obsessed with this case.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
A lot of.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
People, you know, in those message boards you'll see, still
think the brother didn't and if you just analyze the
autopsy reports, just absurd to think that. So.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Jean Manday's mom had passed, But the brother and the
father who's eighties still alive, are they are they in
this documentary?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
The father is yes. I had a lot of cooperation
from John Rampy because he really wants to get the
case solved, and the brother, who's a suspect, decided not
to participate because he's been so brutalized by the media.
You know, there was a twenty sixteen documentary done by
CBS that really overtly pointed a finger at the brother
and the family you know, sued them for libel and
(07:06):
defamation and won, you know, a million dollars. Low.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You surprised that the father's still alive. I mean, this
took a lot of It's took a lot of life
from him, in't it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Oh my god? I think you know, I have such
admiration for the guy. You know, he lost a previous
daughter in a car accident before John Benay. The girl
was twenty two, and then John Beney was helping them
through that tragedy of having lost another child, and then
she's viciously murdered. His wife, Patsy gets ovarian cancer, and
(07:41):
I think all the pressure of the daughter being murdered
and being blamed for the crime made her come out
of remission and ultimately this killed her in two thousand
and six. And this guy and then and he's been
for decades blamed for this crime. So and He's still
standing and still you know, had a level head and
still is like pounding the table to get this crime solved.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Does he have any money left? After all this?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
He got pretty wiped out, you know. I mean they
get by, but you know they they lost everything as
a result of being blamed for this. You know how
to sell homes and assets that are paper lawyers? Well,
I gragic.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I guarantee people are going to crush cold case who
killed John and a Ramsey over this upcoming holiday. I
can't wait to watch it. Good luck Joe Burling here
and thanks for the time.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Nice to speak to you.
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