March 17, 2025 • 34 mins
Heidi Ganahl fills in for Dan, who's in court all week working on a case, as Ryan reprises a portion of his interview with 'President Trump' (Shawn Farash) celebrating Rosie O'Donnell 'self-deporting to Ireland on this St. Patrick's Day.
University of Colorado regent Ray Scott joins Heidi to discuss the battle against DEI policies at the school, which are dying nationwide after the Trump administration effectively banned them and gutted them from the U.S. government.
University of Colorado regent Ray Scott joins Heidi to discuss the battle against DEI policies at the school, which are dying nationwide after the Trump administration effectively banned them and gutted them from the U.S. government.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well, hello everyone, and happy Saint Patrick's Day. I hope
you're having a lucky day, a lucky Monday out there.
This is Heidi Ganaal filling in for Dan Caplis and
previous segment, I had Ellie Reynolds and Kim Gilmartin on
to talk about this new charter school, John Adams Academy
in Douglas County, which is known as a pretty charter
friendly district, but things have changed.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
A lot in the last couple I don't know, a
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I live in Douglas County and I've been involved in
the charter school movement for a long time, and I
want everybody to reach out to our superintendent, Aaron Kane
and just encourage her to stand strong around supporting this
charter school, this option for parents and families in Sterling Ranch.
You know, the news is in the social media. It's
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a little weird. She's publicly maintained a very neutral stance
on the project, but a lot of the social media
messages are suggesting that she might be encouraging the opposition
behind the scenes, and one one person even said the
superintendent said that it can cause our neighborhood school to
be delayed and or be built on a smaller scale.
That's their biggest concern. That's just not true. That's not true.
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It shouldn't affect the neighborhood's school at all. In fact,
there's plenty of kids and families to go around for
two schools in this development. Another post said that she
had a one on one conversation with Superintendent Kane before
a public neighborhood meeting, calling it super interesting and she
wouldn't share the details, but offered to discuss that anyone verbally,
not in writing. So something's going on there. So let's
(01:45):
encourage Superintendent Kane to support this school and these options
for families. If you want to learn more, you can
go to John adamsdougco dot org and you can reach
out to them and vote. I think it's just a
link that you can press and get engage or involved.
You can fill out an expression of interest if you
have school age children and want to learn more about
the school. And then they have a Facebook page, John Adams,
(02:06):
dougco Just go check out the facebook page and let's
support Ellie and Kim and the rest of the folks
that are doing the good work to bring options to
their neighborhood, to Stirling Ranch and get the school going
and give our kids more options. I want to go
to Dean now, who's been waiting? Dean, I'm so sorry
it's been a little bit. We talked about immigrants getting
driver's licenses, illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses early on in
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the show.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Welcome to the show, Dean. It's Heidi gon All.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Heidi, thank you. This show I have is I think
Trump came up with only want English exists in this
country now, So how are the illegal is going to
be able to pass this test?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's a good question. That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And you know, I just don't think that it's as
simple as they like to say that they're worried about
illegal immigrants, you know, driving around without licenses. I think
there's something more nefarious going on here around voting and
that they're automatically registered to.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Vote unless they intentionally opt out.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
As my understanding, but we haven't really been able to
get a clear answer out of the DMV.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
What are your thoughts on that deal?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, yeah, there's Well, the illegals are too ignorant to
understand how to opt out. First of all, they're barely
gonna They're just going to try to speeze through and
get their license, even if they have to bring us
through pace full of cash so they can pass the tests,
because you know, the test isn't that easy if you
don't understand English, and I can just see nothing but
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more problems. I mean, then later it out the other day.
The more drivers you from the road, the higher the
chance of accidents, just the common sense. Even if you're
all perfect drivers, things happen. And then when you I mean,
I've been overseas quite a bit. The drivers in Italy
are pretty crazy. Mexico are nuts. They don't even care
about lights. I mean, they have nothing to lose. They
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already broke the loss Summis year, So why I mean,
I got hit by a guy he sides like me
at fifty eighth and the freeway. I had to chase
him all over the face. He just wouldn't. I had
him on nine to one one. He wouldn't stop. He
had a temporary plate on his vehicle. And then guy goes, well,
what are.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
These armed him?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Like, I thought to myself, how do you know?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
I'm not?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You know, So I finally gave up chasing him because
he just wouldn't stop. And then, you know, by the
time I got everything said and done, I never got
my I never got nothing done for me. You know,
I have to use my own insurance. And then the
state tried to sustend me for not providing insurance. When
I turned in the accident, he took the report. I said,
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I'm the one that was hit. I'm the one that
has the gammages. Why should I have to provide insurance?
Even though it was a new vehicle, I already had
insurance on it. But the bottom line is, I mean
they ran meet they actually a simulator. We were going
to suspend your license if you don't provide insurance, even
though I was the one that was hit.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Wow, that's crazy. I'm hearing more and more stories like that, And.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So I wasn't happy with that. No, I wouldn't be either,
pretty upset with uh Larada has your own police investigator
or action investigations, and I said, you know, you guys
are pretty much racive tax dollars because I'm the victim now,
but I feel like I'm the one that's guilty.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, things are definitely upside down lately in this country,
especially in Colorado. What do you think do you think
Democrat voters are actually waking up and concerned about the
wave of illegal immigrants in Colorado and the amount of
dollars we're devoting to helping folks that aren't here illegally
and taking those funds away from citizens of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I don't know, man, it seems so like upside down.
Like you said, I just don't think these Democrats is
put therein the de insront of it. They don't care
they vote, you know, it's it's it's nuts. Yeah, I
agree with the cannon is and they don't care how
bad they are. Major's votes for them and that's it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well, And Dean, I don't know if you if you
watch the news over the last couple of days about
the flights taking Trendy Aragua gang members out of the
US and other you know, criminal criminal illegal immigrants, and
I mean, who in their right mind wants those people
to return to the US. Well, apparently a Circuit court
judge named James Boseburg does. But I just don't understand
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why they are so all in to protect violent illegal
immigrants here in Colorado, especially Jared Poulis our governor and
our mayor Mike Johnston. Dean, thanks for coming on today.
I appreciate you waiting for so long, and hopefully I'll
talk to you next time I'm on the show. All right,
let's talk about what it means to have such an
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an issue with illegal immigrants, violent illegal immigrants in Colorado
and the money that's being spent in Denver, especially, what
does that mean to everyday people who live here don't
feel safe, that feel it's unfair. I mean, Ryan, I
know you've talked about this on your show, and we've
had John fabricatory on a lot, But where do we
go from here? It sounds like Polis and Johnston aren't
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really going to cooperate to help in Colorado. So what
can we as citizens, everyday citizens do to solve this problem.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
It's a great question.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
John encourages us to keep talking about it, like we
are bringing to the attention of locales where it matters
where it hits hardest, and Aurora obviously is one of those,
and it has been ground zero in many ways Operation Aurora.
Trump mentioned that in one of the debates, and he
mentioned it also when he was sworn in, So hopefully
there's some follow through there.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Tom Holman's done.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
A remarkable job, and I think he needs to stick
to the script and not waiver and force the hand
of the Democrats here to support and defend an indefensible position,
which is the return of Trendy Aragua gang members who
have terrorized apartment complexes and Aurora. The argument is, if
you follow it to its logical conclusion from this judge
and many others Democrats, is that it's worth the price
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of admission to accept all the illegal immigrants into our
country and some of them, a handful of the many
of them are going to be these types like Trendy Arragua.
They're going to wreak havoc on our communities. That that's
just a cost of doing business to have people here illegally,
because it's not fair to deport all of them.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
If you're going to deport some of them.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
I don't get that argument at all, but that's where
it's going, and there has to.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Be political consequences.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
I just don't see that happening for the most part
in Colorado at this point. Mayor Mike Johnston doesn't have
to pay a price, Jared Polis. The Democrats have not
had to pay a price, and until that measure is
felt at the ballot box, then you'll see Democrats changing
their tune, but maybe not before then.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, and Ryan, maybe you can tee up clip number eight,
because there's there's also this issue of Hamas supporters being
able to you know, exist, exercise their free speech and
not be held accountable for inciting violence, which really ticks
me off on college campuses what's happening at Columbia, and
I think it's time to hold them accountable too. There's
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a difference between free speech and inciting violence, and the
Democrats had no problem using that argument over the last
four years, but now that you know, we're on the
other side, it feels like that's just not the case anymore.
Speaker 8 (09:16):
The tr administration is trying to make a point with
people they perceive as.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Not particularly sympathetic.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Victims of the student up at Columbia who was saying,
you know, siding with hamas it seemed in some issues.
And now these at least some of them are members
of a gang or there's you know, who have accused
of doing truly terrible things. But isn't what makes America America?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Is it a matter of who you are.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
You're still entitled to free speech and do process, no
matter how unsympathetic or unsavory your views might be. Talk
to us a little bit about the slippery slope we
may be on here.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, slippery slope, I'll say, it's a slippery slope. Like
these people, it's a privilege to.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Be here in America.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's a privilege to go to college on our camp.
If you live outside this country, it's a privilege. And
they don't see it that way. They see it as
an opportunity to attack this great country and to you know,
just spit in our faces and basically say, you know,
we're here to destroy and destruct free speech along with
your economy and you know, your safety. It's just it's gotten,
(10:22):
it's gotten ridiculous. And after the five point thirty break,
we're going to come back and talk to Ray Scott,
who's a regent at the University of Colorado, about the
current DEI policy and what's happening with the Trump administration
coming down on these colleges and affirmative action.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And that whole discussion.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So we can ask him a little bit too about
how this plays in with what's happening at CU. But Brian,
I think I think this is the issue of the day,
and I think Trump doesn't care what the poll number say.
He wants to fulfill his promises to the American people
to resolve this. So this is Heidig and All filling
in for Dan Kaplis. We'll be back after the break.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
And now to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Look at the Irish too, you Ryan.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Are you gonna find an Irish pub after this show?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Hidi?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Oh God, No, I told you I have to eat healthy.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
I can well can't you live vicariously though, you know,
through Jason or something like that.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
It's kind of no.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I told you.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
He's like, mister healthy eating, take care of yourself.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Walk out all the time.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
St Patrick's day.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
I know I have some haggis and corn beef and
cabbage like you're talking about. You know, I got I
was feeling it over on Koa for Ross earlier today.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I had a text her.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
That really ruined my world.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
Uh oh by suggesting this person claims I think it
was a woman, that she's Irish and that uh not
so fun. Fact, corn beef and cabbage not an Irish dish.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh no, oh no, don't tell my mom.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
That's ignore that. Enjoy your corn beef and cabbage. Oh
golly geez.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Everything has to get real and somehow, some way that's
the world we live in.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So the Democrats are trying to ruin our chances in
Colorado's eighth congressional district in twenty six You know this, Ryan, right,
They are just hot and head.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
They are not happy that we flipped that seat gave.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Evans and Gabe's awesome, so good luck to them.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Not really, he's doing a really good job. But they've
put up this guy named Manny Rutneil I think is
his name, and he has raised over a million dollars
in just six weeks. They are gunning for this, but
I think there's a little bit of a break in
the Democrat party up there because he's like a Democrat socialist,
and I think the more moderate Democrats recognize that gave
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one for a reason, and the Hispanic vote is really
it went pretty hard for Trump, like much more than
we thought. And that's a heavily Hispanic district Thornton, Broomfield,
northern part of Dever metro area. And so they I
think they're torn on whether they want Manny to be
their guy or not.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So I'm going to be curious to see how this
plays out.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Well what they hate to give them free advice, here's
a Nicholsworth though. If they run to the left, I'm
not sure where this Manny guy stands politically.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Left can be crazy left.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Well again, that is the exact wrong play in that district,
which you know is it's a coin flip district. Yeah,
Barb Kirkmeyer narrowly lost the first time around when it
was first created out of the previous census to Ya,
Derek Karraveo and Caraveo even try as she might, tried
to come to the middle, if you recall, with a
(13:34):
couple of her votes late in that election cycle, and
gave Evans called her out for what it was. It
was transparently political, just kind of a token morsel throne
to the moderates out there. But if they run hard
to the left in the eighth Heidi, they're not going
to win that. I mean, even in the third where
Jeff Heard won, Adam Frisch was a good candidate, a
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well funded candidate, and he prided himself at least presented
himself as a moderate in that district. And it didn't
work out. But if the Democrats think the answer is
to pull even harder the left, god love them, because
that's not where the American people are.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I don't think so either.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But you know, Colorado is a little whackadoodle compared to
the rest of the country around around some of these
issues right now, and so I think. I mean, I've
been telling people as many people as I can. I've
been speaking so much to groups all over the state.
I've been saying, you've got to get to know your
precinct chair. So that's like your neighborhood cheerleader for the
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Republican Party at the neighborhood level.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
If you're not a Republican, then you can be the cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
For the unaffiliateds. But like I've said before on the show,
the unaffiliateds are not like this swing people that like
you can go either way. It's they're really kind of
set sixty percent Democrat forty percent Republicans, So I call
them rs and uds.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
So I would find the r's in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
If you don't want to be part of the formal party,
but get to know your precing chair, regardless if you
have conservative leanings or your libertarian or just like of
freedom and don't like what's happening, and really start working
those relationships. Now, Like now, we've got what like eighteen
months until that election. The Democrats are doing it. They're
very organized. They're hosting town halls all over the state
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right now. They're bringing in Bernie Sanders and AOC to help,
So they're trying to organize and activate. We've got to
do the same thing and don't worry so much about
what's happening at the state GOP level. I know there's
a hot and heavy chair race going on right now.
The vote's going to be in thirteen days March twenty ninth,
and then we can stop talking about this chair race.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But I've been pretty vocal. I take my Rocky Mountain.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Voice hat off, and as an individual, I am supporting
Britta Horn. I've known her for a decade. I think
she'd be a great chair. She knows how to activate people.
She's a happy warrior.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
She's not putting up with this nonsense of you know,
we're going to split up the party.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
We're going to keep everybody divided. She's like, no, we're
going to bring people together. We're not going to vote
in this no ballot primary, which is what the State
Central Committee, what Dave William Darcy.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I think Lori Sane wants to do this. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
She hasn't filled out our survey with rerockymount Voice, so
I don't know yet. But that's a really bad thing
because even our military wouldn't get ballots in the primary overseas,
and I'm not cool with that. So I am cool
with getting back to just Republicans voting in Republican primaries,
Democrats voting and Democrat primaries. And there's a lawsuit around
that right now called the Claremont Institute Legal Action, which
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Kevin Lamberg is leading. So if you want to help
that effort, you can donate, you can get involved there,
and that would just put things back the way they were,
which I'm fine with. If you're an affiliated voter and
you want to vote in the primary, pick a team,
pick one team, pick the Republican, pick the Democrat. You
can even switch back after the primary. I think you
can after the primary election before the general. But I
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really that's where I stand on that. I think I
think Brita just teamed up with Daryl L.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Fhalan. He's a great guy.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
He's down in southern Colorado, the Trinidad area to be
her vice chair.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And Richard Holthorp jumped into the race, and I.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Like Richard, good guy, but he teamed up with Daniel
Neuschwanger as his vice chair and I was just like,
what the what?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
She tried to tear down our party like nobody's business.
And then Darcy.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I used to think Darcy was my friend until she
tried to destroy Rocky Mount Voice when we first launched
it by leaking a donor video all over the Internet
and giving it to the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So Darcy, that was not cool.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And I think Rocky Mount Voice has done a tremendous
job for the grass roots. Hopefully we're trying to be
the voice of the grass roots. And uh, hopefully I
proved you wrong and and hopefully you know, we can
have a conversation about that someday. But Britt is my gal.
I hope she wins the chair race. If and if
she doesn't, we're gonna we're gonna still work together and
try and continue to fix things in Colorado. But I
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just spewed a lot of crazy stuff, didn't I?
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Ryan, I think about Kelly, that Heidi is spilling the
tea today and there are no fs to give in
the tea.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Nope, there's not.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
This chair race is making me crazy, like I am
so old and I'm just gonna be real.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And after the break, we're gonna get real with Ray Scott.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
He's not gonna pull any punches about the University of Colorado,
what's happening around the DEI stuff there. So how do
you know all filling in for Dan Capless filling the tea?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
More to come after the break.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
You're listening to the Dan Capliss Show podcast, Mister President,
Is this a victory in and of itself? When you
know that there are people like Alec Baldwin, all these celebrities,
they threatened to leave, they threaten to move, and they
never deliver on it.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
I guess you got to give Rosie credit.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
She did and she vacated the premises, went to Ireland,
is that a win for you and your administration.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
Well, it's a beautiful win. And just like her favorite president, Yeah,
she doesn't.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Want to admit that she loves me. She loves me
a lot.
Speaker 9 (19:00):
You know that, just like her favorite president. Promises made,
promises kept.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
She said she was going to leave.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
I won, and she left. It's called self deportation. She said,
before Ice Ice baby comes and gets me, I'm going
to get the hell out of here. So she went
to Ireland. She went after the Lucky Charms. You know
they're after me, Lucky Charms.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I got it.
Speaker 9 (19:22):
I got a low so well with that leprechaun. By
the way, Lucky Charms beautiful and the pot of Gold
is the best marshmallow in that cereal. But but you
look at it. She went out and she self deported.
She made our job a lot easier and we don't
want her back.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
You know.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
I spoke to the Prime Minister of Ireland. I said,
you know, he called me. He said, sir, there's going
to be a problem in Ireland.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
We have this lady.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Your name is Rosio.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
Though you may have heard of her, I said, oh,
I've heard of her. She's a horrible person.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
You have to keep her.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
He said, but sir, she's eating everything but having another femine.
I said, doesn't matter. You have to keep her. If
you don't keep her, we're going to I have a
lot of problems. He said, what do you mean. I said,
if you send her back into our country, we will
tariff Ireland at around four thousand percent. He said, but sorry,
you can't do that. I said that you have to
keep Rosian though, and they decided to keep her. So
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she's not coming back to our country. But this is
why we love tariffs, because they're keeping that hog. Could
be called of that. Maybe we shouldn't, but maybe we did.
We're keeping her out of our country. I could tell
you that.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh my gosh, Ryan, those Just to be clear, that
was not President Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
And the thing is, you have to explain that. I
was listening to Clay and Buck. This is a couple
of years ago now, and they were in mar A
Lago and Buck does like I do. He plays the
straight man. He doesn't give up the game until the
very end like I do. But I listened. I was
doing some chores around the house for about two to
three minutes, and I'm like, oh, they have President Trump
on and mar A Lago. It was Sean Ferish that
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whole time, and he was saying things like that's a
little hell even for Trump. But I guess I could
hear him saying that totally had me fooled. Sean is
the best Trump impersonator I've ever heard, and it's not
close and you just heard him.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, you know, every year for my birthday, my husband
has he has this guy on cameo.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
That's the app that you can have people send you.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Birthday videos and stuff. Celebrities. He has a Trump impersonator
send me a birthday message every year and it's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
The guy's really good, not that good, but well.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
What I'll need to do then is connect Jason with
Sean and then Sean can present that to you.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Oh my gosh, Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, speaking about Landish, not talking about you, Ray Scott,
but happy to have you on the show. Let's talk
about DEI and the University of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Hi, Ray, how you doing?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I'm kid you guys had be sold there for a
minute of the most into that recording.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I was like, whoa, I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
I had no idea. I was just like, uh, who
is that Trump. Well, yeah, that was good.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And Ray, we used a lot of your time, Like,
sorry about that. We were having some fun.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So hopefully you can stay after the break and we
could keep talking about this because I know it's going
to be longer than six minutes to talk about DEI
at cu if that's all right?
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Sure, all right?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
So when was this a couple of years ago?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You're like, you know, I'm turned out as senator in
the in the Carraida legislature.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I think some people were asking me to run for regent.
What's it like? I was like, oh my gosh, Ray, you.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Thought the legislature was crazy, Wait till you get in
as a regent and start dealing with all this stuff there.
How has it been since you joined the regent board?
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Well, you know, first of all, thanks for having me,
but you know, I am the new guy, right. I've
only had one board meeting. I have joked with the
other region. So when I did run, there was a
sole brochure that talked about what a regent did, but
all the things we're dealing with that that wasn't in
the brochure.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It was go to football games and hang out with
the students.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yeah, well what the heck happened. Something went sideways.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So I was reading an article that actually Rocky Mountain
Voice put out about a few weeks ago February second,
actually about the CU Diversity Equity and Inclusion Office, the
I office quietly rebranding itself the Office of Collaboration, And
it wasn't done with an official announcement or transparency. It
was only discovered when an outside observer exposed it on
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X and then we pressed SeeU for a comment and
they directed inquiries to a very vague web page. But
it's not very vague now that the Wall Street Journal
put out a big report about what's happening there, and
now UCCS is on the list of fifty colleges under
federal investigation for possibly engaging in race exclusionary practices.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So tell us what's going on?
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Well, I think, first of all, I think it's important
to understand that the whole system gets about five hundred
million per in federal grants. That's the eight hundred pound.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Gorilla in the room, right, Yeah, five hundred.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
It's a big chuck of change. Yes, to lose that
would be devastating to the entire CE system. I don't
think there's any question that anybody would argue that, So
you know, with that in mind, and then, of course,
as you know because you were a CU regent, we
have this shared governance system in place, which I'm learning
more about each day as I move along. As you know,
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regents don't have the ability to say hey, stop this program,
or do this, or do this an in curriculum for example.
So we have the large oversight of the entire system,
and we're learning every day of every change that that's
taking place. And the concern I have at this point
is that I think we have people in the system
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that are still having a hard time understanding that we
have a new president. And if the president has put
new rules and new executive orders that you've got to
pay attention to. You can't ignore them. You can't put
on a set of blinders and expect something to change.
So you have a choice, right you can either take
the chance, because as we all know, President Trump tends
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to shoot first and then aim second. If that would
have happened to the CU system, you're going to spend
two three years in court potentially trying to get some
of those suns back if you get them back at all,
or a tiny portion of this. So it's a very
fluid situation. It can be a dangerous situation depending on
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your opinion of what's going on. But I will tell
you this, I am impressed that each campus in the
system has been instructed to come back with a report
that shows everything that they are doing, where any funding
could be going for the what they used to call
DUBI and whatever it's called the office collaboration, so that
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we have a clearer picture and some decisions could be
made from there. But time of the the essence, right
the clock is ticking and we need to we need
to respond quickly and protect everybody in the CU system.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Right that, Like, I mean, that makes me really upset,
actually because for six years between twenty sixteen and twenty
twenty two till the beginning of twenty three, I was
on the regent board and I was chair of the
Audit committee for a while, I was chaired the Finance
committee for a while.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
You're one of.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Nine regents, and I asked over and over and over
again for that exact report, what are we spending this
money on?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
What does success look like like?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
How are we measuring success with the money we're spending?
What are the seventy eight administrators doing around DEI that
we're paying millions of dollars what is going on? And
I got rebuffed smoking mirrors. They wouldn't give me anything.
And I was the chair of the stinking Audit Committee
and I couldn't get answers.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
So I'm glad you're getting the information. But jeez, Louise.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Maything what an executive order can do? Right?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
And I got to be honest with you know, I've
read the executive order probably five or six times looking
for what I would call wiggle room, and honestly, I can't.
I can't find it. There is no wiggle room. It's
very specific. It talks a lot about the Civil Rights
Act Act of nineteen sixty four. It talks a lot
about reporting back and explaining exactly what you're doing it.
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I think it's incredibly clear, and I hope the campuses
get those reports back very very quickly, so that we
can develop a response in case anything else should happen.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
All right, Ray, We're going to come back after the break.
This is Heidi Ganal filling in for Dan Kaplis. Will
be back to talk more about my beloved alma mater,
The University of Colorado and the Trump administration calling out
CU for its DEI practices.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
And now back to the Dan Tamplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Hello everyone and happy St. Patrick's day.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Going to be wrapping up shortly, but we have Ray
Scott joining us, who's a regent at the University of Colorado. Ray,
let's talk a little bit about why UCCS is being investigated.
I'm reading here that it was because of a partnership
they had with the PhD Project, an organization that helps
provide resources and networking opportunities to doctoral students but limits
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eligibility based on the race of the participants.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Is that your understanding?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
That sounds exactly like what I've read also, Heidi, Yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think I think the concern is, you know, there's
affirmative action, there's fairness, but there's overtly picking people for
the color of their skin.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Is not what this country was built on.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And I got an interesting email when all this was
going on from a full professor at CU Boulder that
got tenure.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
He's been there since two.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Thousand and two, I guess when he first arrived, and
he said that a faculty recruiting committee was assigned infirmation
of Action staffer to monitor the hiring process, and this
was to ensure that reasonable attempts were made to solicit
interest in the position from qualified members of their designated
identity groups. But what I really like here is he
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talks about what Johnson Humphrey language or the intent of
the Title seven in the Civil Rights Act championed, and
that was to make sure that there wasn't a quota
or it wasn't a requirement, but it was to bring balance,
to just try and bring balance with putting forward good candidates.
It didn't mean that you had to hire somebody because
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of their race or religion, and so it encouraged casting
a broad net to ensure that members of identity groups
had a fair opportunity to be included in the pool.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Of adequately meritorious candidates.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And I think Trump's his executive order or his mandate
is to get back to merit based selection for staff.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Is that is that what you understand as well?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Yeah? I think so. And I think you know you've
heard probably heard that you know this coin phrase now merit,
excellence and intelligence instead of DDI, let's go to a
merit based system. Yeah, And that's what we always did right.
I mean that's that's that's where we came from. That's
how these universities quite frankly were built over the last
one hundred plus years. And to drift away as we
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have over the last roughly decade to this DDI program
has just been it's I think it's been very damaging obviously. Yeah,
I think it's unfair to my to mine pities even
more to anybody else.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, I agree too.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And and something we should clarify for folks like at
see you in the in the colleges and universities, they
don't just talk about minorities. They talk about underrepresented minorities,
Like you can't lump in Asian students with the Hispanic
students and American Indian students, like it's very specific who
they're talking about. And I think the most beneficial thing
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we could do is take all those millions of dollars
that are being spent on DEI administrators and lower the
overall cost of college to make it accessible to more people.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And then if private.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Individuals want to help, they can give scholarships and decide
who they want the scholarships to go to. But if
we can lower administrative bloats and make sure that the
cost of an education overall goes down.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I think that's better for everybody at the end of
the day.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Oh, no question. I mean that's the focus of every university,
and it should be a huge focus for CU as
you know, put all the focus on the students. You know,
how do we get students in the university and get
them educated. That's our That's our entire mantra that we
should be working on, and quit looking at things on
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this bizarre race based type system. I just saw a
statistic which kind of surprised me a little bit, because
again I'm the new guy. When I saw that Senior
has four percent black students, you know, your first reaction
to that was like, wow, that's pretty low. But then
I looked at the demographics for Colorado and were four
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percent black population. You know, that kind of set me
a signal real fast, like, wow, we've done a great job.
But you know, we don't want those students coming to
the university or hiring professors for peach sake, just based
on color that that just makes absolutely no sense. It's
got to be merit based. And I think we can
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get back there, and I think we will. I don't
think we have a choice. We're going to have to.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, I agree, Ray, and I think, you know, I
believe people at see you have great intentions and there's
a lot of folks that we just have different perspectives
about how to get there. But I do think a
lot of the leadership has good intentions. They want to
do the right things. They're just going to get noodled
into a different direction. That happened around Title nine too
when I was a regent. It went way too far
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around due process and not allowing our young men's students
to have due process when they were accused of something
that that was really really crazy for me to see
that happening because I was an advocate obviously for women's issues.
I had a women a company that encouraged young women
to create a life they love called Chief Actor. And
here I am defending the young men like they hey,
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they need their day in court, and we have to
make sure that we see due process through on college campuses.
So it's been a crazy time in higher education. What
do you think is you know, the future of higher education.
Do you think that we're going to go away from
the campus based system and get more like creative and
innovative or what's one thing that you see is really
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fun that's happening in high ed.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Well, okay, what I think there's there's there's a lot happening.
I think you just nailed it. I just read report
and I think it's over the last ten years, something
like five hundred universities have actually closed their doors. Wow,
which kind of got me by surprise, right, And I
think there's a lot of reasons for that. The cost
of going to school is very expensive. A lot of
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people are going to vocational schools now because they don't
have the ability to get student loans, or they just
don't have the ability to travel, or the housing expenses
or whatever it might be. But y'all, I think there's
gonna have to be some shifts and thought of what
do you offer as the university.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, Ray, we're awfully excited and proud to have you
there and see you as a regent on the board
with Ken and Mark and Frank as the conservative contingent.
So keep up the great work, go boffs, and let's
get that contract signed with Deon Sanders as soon as
we can. We need some luck, We need some shamrock luck. There,
but this is Heidig and all been filling in for
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Dan Kaplis. Hope y'all have a wonderful Saint Patrick's Day
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well, hello everyone, and happy Saint Patrick's Day. I hope
you're having a lucky day, a lucky Monday out there.
This is Heidi Ganaal filling in for Dan Caplis and
previous segment, I had Ellie Reynolds and Kim Gilmartin on
to talk about this new charter school, John Adams Academy
in Douglas County, which is known as a pretty charter
friendly district, but things have changed.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
A lot in the last couple I don't know, a
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I live in Douglas County and I've been involved in
the charter school movement for a long time, and I
want everybody to reach out to our superintendent, Aaron Kane
and just encourage her to stand strong around supporting this
charter school, this option for parents and families in Sterling Ranch.
You know, the news is in the social media. It's
(01:01):
a little weird. She's publicly maintained a very neutral stance
on the project, but a lot of the social media
messages are suggesting that she might be encouraging the opposition
behind the scenes, and one one person even said the
superintendent said that it can cause our neighborhood school to
be delayed and or be built on a smaller scale.
That's their biggest concern. That's just not true. That's not true.
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It shouldn't affect the neighborhood's school at all. In fact,
there's plenty of kids and families to go around for
two schools in this development. Another post said that she
had a one on one conversation with Superintendent Kane before
a public neighborhood meeting, calling it super interesting and she
wouldn't share the details, but offered to discuss that anyone verbally,
not in writing. So something's going on there. So let's
(01:45):
encourage Superintendent Kane to support this school and these options
for families. If you want to learn more, you can
go to John adamsdougco dot org and you can reach
out to them and vote. I think it's just a
link that you can press and get engage or involved.
You can fill out an expression of interest if you
have school age children and want to learn more about
the school. And then they have a Facebook page, John Adams,
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dougco Just go check out the facebook page and let's
support Ellie and Kim and the rest of the folks
that are doing the good work to bring options to
their neighborhood, to Stirling Ranch and get the school going
and give our kids more options. I want to go
to Dean now, who's been waiting? Dean, I'm so sorry
it's been a little bit. We talked about immigrants getting
driver's licenses, illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses early on in
(02:30):
the show.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Welcome to the show, Dean. It's Heidi gon All.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Heidi, thank you. This show I have is I think
Trump came up with only want English exists in this
country now, So how are the illegal is going to
be able to pass this test?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's a good question. That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And you know, I just don't think that it's as
simple as they like to say that they're worried about
illegal immigrants, you know, driving around without licenses. I think
there's something more nefarious going on here around voting and
that they're automatically registered to.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Vote unless they intentionally opt out.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
As my understanding, but we haven't really been able to
get a clear answer out of the DMV.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
What are your thoughts on that deal?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, yeah, there's Well, the illegals are too ignorant to
understand how to opt out. First of all, they're barely
gonna They're just going to try to speeze through and
get their license, even if they have to bring us
through pace full of cash so they can pass the tests,
because you know, the test isn't that easy if you
don't understand English, and I can just see nothing but
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more problems. I mean, then later it out the other day.
The more drivers you from the road, the higher the
chance of accidents, just the common sense. Even if you're
all perfect drivers, things happen. And then when you I mean,
I've been overseas quite a bit. The drivers in Italy
are pretty crazy. Mexico are nuts. They don't even care
about lights. I mean, they have nothing to lose. They
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already broke the loss Summis year, So why I mean,
I got hit by a guy he sides like me
at fifty eighth and the freeway. I had to chase
him all over the face. He just wouldn't. I had
him on nine to one one. He wouldn't stop. He
had a temporary plate on his vehicle. And then guy goes, well,
what are.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
These armed him?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Like, I thought to myself, how do you know?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
I'm not?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You know, So I finally gave up chasing him because
he just wouldn't stop. And then, you know, by the
time I got everything said and done, I never got
my I never got nothing done for me. You know,
I have to use my own insurance. And then the
state tried to sustend me for not providing insurance. When
I turned in the accident, he took the report. I said,
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I'm the one that was hit. I'm the one that
has the gammages. Why should I have to provide insurance?
Even though it was a new vehicle, I already had
insurance on it. But the bottom line is, I mean
they ran meet they actually a simulator. We were going
to suspend your license if you don't provide insurance, even
though I was the one that was hit.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Wow, that's crazy. I'm hearing more and more stories like that, And.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So I wasn't happy with that. No, I wouldn't be either,
pretty upset with uh Larada has your own police investigator
or action investigations, and I said, you know, you guys
are pretty much racive tax dollars because I'm the victim now,
but I feel like I'm the one that's guilty.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, things are definitely upside down lately in this country,
especially in Colorado. What do you think do you think
Democrat voters are actually waking up and concerned about the
wave of illegal immigrants in Colorado and the amount of
dollars we're devoting to helping folks that aren't here illegally
and taking those funds away from citizens of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I don't know, man, it seems so like upside down.
Like you said, I just don't think these Democrats is
put therein the de insront of it. They don't care
they vote, you know, it's it's it's nuts. Yeah, I
agree with the cannon is and they don't care how
bad they are. Major's votes for them and that's it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well, And Dean, I don't know if you if you
watch the news over the last couple of days about
the flights taking Trendy Aragua gang members out of the
US and other you know, criminal criminal illegal immigrants, and
I mean, who in their right mind wants those people
to return to the US. Well, apparently a Circuit court
judge named James Boseburg does. But I just don't understand
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why they are so all in to protect violent illegal
immigrants here in Colorado, especially Jared Poulis our governor and
our mayor Mike Johnston. Dean, thanks for coming on today.
I appreciate you waiting for so long, and hopefully I'll
talk to you next time I'm on the show. All right,
let's talk about what it means to have such an
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an issue with illegal immigrants, violent illegal immigrants in Colorado
and the money that's being spent in Denver, especially, what
does that mean to everyday people who live here don't
feel safe, that feel it's unfair. I mean, Ryan, I
know you've talked about this on your show, and we've
had John fabricatory on a lot, But where do we
go from here? It sounds like Polis and Johnston aren't
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really going to cooperate to help in Colorado. So what
can we as citizens, everyday citizens do to solve this problem.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
It's a great question.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
John encourages us to keep talking about it, like we
are bringing to the attention of locales where it matters
where it hits hardest, and Aurora obviously is one of those,
and it has been ground zero in many ways Operation Aurora.
Trump mentioned that in one of the debates, and he
mentioned it also when he was sworn in, So hopefully
there's some follow through there.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Tom Holman's done.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
A remarkable job, and I think he needs to stick
to the script and not waiver and force the hand
of the Democrats here to support and defend an indefensible position,
which is the return of Trendy Aragua gang members who
have terrorized apartment complexes and Aurora. The argument is, if
you follow it to its logical conclusion from this judge
and many others Democrats, is that it's worth the price
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of admission to accept all the illegal immigrants into our
country and some of them, a handful of the many
of them are going to be these types like Trendy Arragua.
They're going to wreak havoc on our communities. That that's
just a cost of doing business to have people here illegally,
because it's not fair to deport all of them.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
If you're going to deport some of them.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
I don't get that argument at all, but that's where
it's going, and there has to.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Be political consequences.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
I just don't see that happening for the most part
in Colorado at this point. Mayor Mike Johnston doesn't have
to pay a price, Jared Polis. The Democrats have not
had to pay a price, and until that measure is
felt at the ballot box, then you'll see Democrats changing
their tune, but maybe not before then.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, and Ryan, maybe you can tee up clip number eight,
because there's there's also this issue of Hamas supporters being
able to you know, exist, exercise their free speech and
not be held accountable for inciting violence, which really ticks
me off on college campuses what's happening at Columbia, and
I think it's time to hold them accountable too. There's
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a difference between free speech and inciting violence, and the
Democrats had no problem using that argument over the last
four years, but now that you know, we're on the
other side, it feels like that's just not the case anymore.
Speaker 8 (09:16):
The tr administration is trying to make a point with
people they perceive as.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Not particularly sympathetic.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Victims of the student up at Columbia who was saying,
you know, siding with hamas it seemed in some issues.
And now these at least some of them are members
of a gang or there's you know, who have accused
of doing truly terrible things. But isn't what makes America America?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Is it a matter of who you are.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
You're still entitled to free speech and do process, no
matter how unsympathetic or unsavory your views might be. Talk
to us a little bit about the slippery slope we
may be on here.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, slippery slope, I'll say, it's a slippery slope. Like
these people, it's a privilege to.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Be here in America.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's a privilege to go to college on our camp.
If you live outside this country, it's a privilege. And
they don't see it that way. They see it as
an opportunity to attack this great country and to you know,
just spit in our faces and basically say, you know,
we're here to destroy and destruct free speech along with
your economy and you know, your safety. It's just it's gotten,
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it's gotten ridiculous. And after the five point thirty break,
we're going to come back and talk to Ray Scott,
who's a regent at the University of Colorado, about the
current DEI policy and what's happening with the Trump administration
coming down on these colleges and affirmative action.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And that whole discussion.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So we can ask him a little bit too about
how this plays in with what's happening at CU. But Brian,
I think I think this is the issue of the day,
and I think Trump doesn't care what the poll number say.
He wants to fulfill his promises to the American people
to resolve this. So this is Heidig and All filling
in for Dan Kaplis. We'll be back after the break.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
And now to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Look at the Irish too, you Ryan.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Are you gonna find an Irish pub after this show?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Hidi?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Oh God, No, I told you I have to eat healthy.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
I can well can't you live vicariously though, you know,
through Jason or something like that.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
It's kind of no.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I told you.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
He's like, mister healthy eating, take care of yourself.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Walk out all the time.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
St Patrick's day.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
I know I have some haggis and corn beef and
cabbage like you're talking about. You know, I got I
was feeling it over on Koa for Ross earlier today.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I had a text her.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
That really ruined my world.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
Uh oh by suggesting this person claims I think it
was a woman, that she's Irish and that uh not
so fun. Fact, corn beef and cabbage not an Irish dish.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh no, oh no, don't tell my mom.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
That's ignore that. Enjoy your corn beef and cabbage. Oh
golly geez.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Everything has to get real and somehow, some way that's
the world we live in.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So the Democrats are trying to ruin our chances in
Colorado's eighth congressional district in twenty six You know this, Ryan, right,
They are just hot and head.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
They are not happy that we flipped that seat gave.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Evans and Gabe's awesome, so good luck to them.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Not really, he's doing a really good job. But they've
put up this guy named Manny Rutneil I think is
his name, and he has raised over a million dollars
in just six weeks. They are gunning for this, but
I think there's a little bit of a break in
the Democrat party up there because he's like a Democrat socialist,
and I think the more moderate Democrats recognize that gave
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one for a reason, and the Hispanic vote is really
it went pretty hard for Trump, like much more than
we thought. And that's a heavily Hispanic district Thornton, Broomfield,
northern part of Dever metro area. And so they I
think they're torn on whether they want Manny to be
their guy or not.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So I'm going to be curious to see how this
plays out.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Well what they hate to give them free advice, here's
a Nicholsworth though. If they run to the left, I'm
not sure where this Manny guy stands politically.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Left can be crazy left.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Well again, that is the exact wrong play in that district,
which you know is it's a coin flip district. Yeah,
Barb Kirkmeyer narrowly lost the first time around when it
was first created out of the previous census to Ya,
Derek Karraveo and Caraveo even try as she might, tried
to come to the middle, if you recall, with a
(13:34):
couple of her votes late in that election cycle, and
gave Evans called her out for what it was. It
was transparently political, just kind of a token morsel throne
to the moderates out there. But if they run hard
to the left in the eighth Heidi, they're not going
to win that. I mean, even in the third where
Jeff Heard won, Adam Frisch was a good candidate, a
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well funded candidate, and he prided himself at least presented
himself as a moderate in that district. And it didn't
work out. But if the Democrats think the answer is
to pull even harder the left, god love them, because
that's not where the American people are.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I don't think so either.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But you know, Colorado is a little whackadoodle compared to
the rest of the country around around some of these
issues right now, and so I think. I mean, I've
been telling people as many people as I can. I've
been speaking so much to groups all over the state.
I've been saying, you've got to get to know your
precinct chair. So that's like your neighborhood cheerleader for the
(14:32):
Republican Party at the neighborhood level.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
If you're not a Republican, then you can be the cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
For the unaffiliateds. But like I've said before on the show,
the unaffiliateds are not like this swing people that like
you can go either way. It's they're really kind of
set sixty percent Democrat forty percent Republicans, So I call
them rs and uds.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
So I would find the r's in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
If you don't want to be part of the formal party,
but get to know your precing chair, regardless if you
have conservative leanings or your libertarian or just like of
freedom and don't like what's happening, and really start working
those relationships. Now, Like now, we've got what like eighteen
months until that election. The Democrats are doing it. They're
very organized. They're hosting town halls all over the state
(15:13):
right now. They're bringing in Bernie Sanders and AOC to help,
So they're trying to organize and activate. We've got to
do the same thing and don't worry so much about
what's happening at the state GOP level. I know there's
a hot and heavy chair race going on right now.
The vote's going to be in thirteen days March twenty ninth,
and then we can stop talking about this chair race.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But I've been pretty vocal. I take my Rocky Mountain.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Voice hat off, and as an individual, I am supporting
Britta Horn. I've known her for a decade. I think
she'd be a great chair. She knows how to activate people.
She's a happy warrior.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
She's not putting up with this nonsense of you know,
we're going to split up the party.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
We're going to keep everybody divided. She's like, no, we're
going to bring people together. We're not going to vote
in this no ballot primary, which is what the State
Central Committee, what Dave William Darcy.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I think Lori Sane wants to do this. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
She hasn't filled out our survey with rerockymount Voice, so
I don't know yet. But that's a really bad thing
because even our military wouldn't get ballots in the primary overseas,
and I'm not cool with that. So I am cool
with getting back to just Republicans voting in Republican primaries,
Democrats voting and Democrat primaries. And there's a lawsuit around
that right now called the Claremont Institute Legal Action, which
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Kevin Lamberg is leading. So if you want to help
that effort, you can donate, you can get involved there,
and that would just put things back the way they were,
which I'm fine with. If you're an affiliated voter and
you want to vote in the primary, pick a team,
pick one team, pick the Republican, pick the Democrat. You
can even switch back after the primary. I think you
can after the primary election before the general. But I
(16:45):
really that's where I stand on that. I think I
think Brita just teamed up with Daryl L.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Fhalan. He's a great guy.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
He's down in southern Colorado, the Trinidad area to be
her vice chair.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And Richard Holthorp jumped into the race, and I.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Like Richard, good guy, but he teamed up with Daniel
Neuschwanger as his vice chair and I was just like,
what the what?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
She tried to tear down our party like nobody's business.
And then Darcy.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I used to think Darcy was my friend until she
tried to destroy Rocky Mount Voice when we first launched
it by leaking a donor video all over the Internet
and giving it to the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So Darcy, that was not cool.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And I think Rocky Mount Voice has done a tremendous
job for the grass roots. Hopefully we're trying to be
the voice of the grass roots. And uh, hopefully I
proved you wrong and and hopefully you know, we can
have a conversation about that someday. But Britt is my gal.
I hope she wins the chair race. If and if
she doesn't, we're gonna we're gonna still work together and
try and continue to fix things in Colorado. But I
(17:44):
just spewed a lot of crazy stuff, didn't I?
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Ryan, I think about Kelly, that Heidi is spilling the
tea today and there are no fs to give in
the tea.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Nope, there's not.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
This chair race is making me crazy, like I am
so old and I'm just gonna be real.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And after the break, we're gonna get real with Ray Scott.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
He's not gonna pull any punches about the University of Colorado,
what's happening around the DEI stuff there. So how do
you know all filling in for Dan Capless filling the tea?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
More to come after the break.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
You're listening to the Dan Capliss Show podcast, Mister President,
Is this a victory in and of itself? When you
know that there are people like Alec Baldwin, all these celebrities,
they threatened to leave, they threaten to move, and they
never deliver on it.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
I guess you got to give Rosie credit.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
She did and she vacated the premises, went to Ireland,
is that a win for you and your administration.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
Well, it's a beautiful win. And just like her favorite president, Yeah,
she doesn't.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Want to admit that she loves me. She loves me
a lot.
Speaker 9 (19:00):
You know that, just like her favorite president. Promises made,
promises kept.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
She said she was going to leave.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
I won, and she left. It's called self deportation. She said,
before Ice Ice baby comes and gets me, I'm going
to get the hell out of here. So she went
to Ireland. She went after the Lucky Charms. You know
they're after me, Lucky Charms.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I got it.
Speaker 9 (19:22):
I got a low so well with that leprechaun. By
the way, Lucky Charms beautiful and the pot of Gold
is the best marshmallow in that cereal. But but you
look at it. She went out and she self deported.
She made our job a lot easier and we don't
want her back.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
You know.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
I spoke to the Prime Minister of Ireland. I said,
you know, he called me. He said, sir, there's going
to be a problem in Ireland.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
We have this lady.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Your name is Rosio.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
Though you may have heard of her, I said, oh,
I've heard of her. She's a horrible person.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
You have to keep her.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
He said, but sir, she's eating everything but having another femine.
I said, doesn't matter. You have to keep her. If
you don't keep her, we're going to I have a
lot of problems. He said, what do you mean. I said,
if you send her back into our country, we will
tariff Ireland at around four thousand percent. He said, but sorry,
you can't do that. I said that you have to
keep Rosian though, and they decided to keep her. So
(20:17):
she's not coming back to our country. But this is
why we love tariffs, because they're keeping that hog. Could
be called of that. Maybe we shouldn't, but maybe we did.
We're keeping her out of our country. I could tell
you that.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh my gosh, Ryan, those Just to be clear, that
was not President Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
And the thing is, you have to explain that. I
was listening to Clay and Buck. This is a couple
of years ago now, and they were in mar A
Lago and Buck does like I do. He plays the
straight man. He doesn't give up the game until the
very end like I do. But I listened. I was
doing some chores around the house for about two to
three minutes, and I'm like, oh, they have President Trump
on and mar A Lago. It was Sean Ferish that
(20:57):
whole time, and he was saying things like that's a
little hell even for Trump. But I guess I could
hear him saying that totally had me fooled. Sean is
the best Trump impersonator I've ever heard, and it's not
close and you just heard him.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, you know, every year for my birthday, my husband
has he has this guy on cameo.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
That's the app that you can have people send you.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Birthday videos and stuff. Celebrities. He has a Trump impersonator
send me a birthday message every year and it's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
The guy's really good, not that good, but well.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
What I'll need to do then is connect Jason with
Sean and then Sean can present that to you.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Oh my gosh, Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, speaking about Landish, not talking about you, Ray Scott,
but happy to have you on the show. Let's talk
about DEI and the University of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Hi, Ray, how you doing?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I'm kid you guys had be sold there for a
minute of the most into that recording.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I was like, whoa, I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
I had no idea. I was just like, uh, who
is that Trump. Well, yeah, that was good.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And Ray, we used a lot of your time, Like,
sorry about that. We were having some fun.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So hopefully you can stay after the break and we
could keep talking about this because I know it's going
to be longer than six minutes to talk about DEI
at cu if that's all right?
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Sure, all right?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
So when was this a couple of years ago?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You're like, you know, I'm turned out as senator in
the in the Carraida legislature.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I think some people were asking me to run for regent.
What's it like? I was like, oh my gosh, Ray, you.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Thought the legislature was crazy, Wait till you get in
as a regent and start dealing with all this stuff there.
How has it been since you joined the regent board?
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Well, you know, first of all, thanks for having me,
but you know, I am the new guy, right. I've
only had one board meeting. I have joked with the
other region. So when I did run, there was a
sole brochure that talked about what a regent did, but
all the things we're dealing with that that wasn't in
the brochure.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It was go to football games and hang out with
the students.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yeah, well what the heck happened. Something went sideways.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So I was reading an article that actually Rocky Mountain
Voice put out about a few weeks ago February second,
actually about the CU Diversity Equity and Inclusion Office, the
I office quietly rebranding itself the Office of Collaboration, And
it wasn't done with an official announcement or transparency. It
was only discovered when an outside observer exposed it on
(23:26):
X and then we pressed SeeU for a comment and
they directed inquiries to a very vague web page. But
it's not very vague now that the Wall Street Journal
put out a big report about what's happening there, and
now UCCS is on the list of fifty colleges under
federal investigation for possibly engaging in race exclusionary practices.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So tell us what's going on?
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Well, I think, first of all, I think it's important
to understand that the whole system gets about five hundred
million per in federal grants. That's the eight hundred pound.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Gorilla in the room, right, Yeah, five hundred.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
It's a big chuck of change. Yes, to lose that
would be devastating to the entire CE system. I don't
think there's any question that anybody would argue that, So
you know, with that in mind, and then, of course,
as you know because you were a CU regent, we
have this shared governance system in place, which I'm learning
more about each day as I move along. As you know,
(24:31):
regents don't have the ability to say hey, stop this program,
or do this, or do this an in curriculum for example.
So we have the large oversight of the entire system,
and we're learning every day of every change that that's
taking place. And the concern I have at this point
is that I think we have people in the system
(24:54):
that are still having a hard time understanding that we
have a new president. And if the president has put
new rules and new executive orders that you've got to
pay attention to. You can't ignore them. You can't put
on a set of blinders and expect something to change.
So you have a choice, right you can either take
the chance, because as we all know, President Trump tends
(25:16):
to shoot first and then aim second. If that would
have happened to the CU system, you're going to spend
two three years in court potentially trying to get some
of those suns back if you get them back at all,
or a tiny portion of this. So it's a very
fluid situation. It can be a dangerous situation depending on
(25:36):
your opinion of what's going on. But I will tell
you this, I am impressed that each campus in the
system has been instructed to come back with a report
that shows everything that they are doing, where any funding
could be going for the what they used to call
DUBI and whatever it's called the office collaboration, so that
(25:57):
we have a clearer picture and some decisions could be
made from there. But time of the the essence, right
the clock is ticking and we need to we need
to respond quickly and protect everybody in the CU system.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Right that, Like, I mean, that makes me really upset,
actually because for six years between twenty sixteen and twenty
twenty two till the beginning of twenty three, I was
on the regent board and I was chair of the
Audit committee for a while, I was chaired the Finance
committee for a while.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
You're one of.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Nine regents, and I asked over and over and over
again for that exact report, what are we spending this
money on?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
What does success look like like?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
How are we measuring success with the money we're spending?
What are the seventy eight administrators doing around DEI that
we're paying millions of dollars what is going on? And
I got rebuffed smoking mirrors. They wouldn't give me anything.
And I was the chair of the stinking Audit Committee
and I couldn't get answers.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
So I'm glad you're getting the information. But jeez, Louise.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Maything what an executive order can do? Right?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
And I got to be honest with you know, I've
read the executive order probably five or six times looking
for what I would call wiggle room, and honestly, I can't.
I can't find it. There is no wiggle room. It's
very specific. It talks a lot about the Civil Rights
Act Act of nineteen sixty four. It talks a lot
about reporting back and explaining exactly what you're doing it.
(27:27):
I think it's incredibly clear, and I hope the campuses
get those reports back very very quickly, so that we
can develop a response in case anything else should happen.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
All right, Ray, We're going to come back after the break.
This is Heidi Ganal filling in for Dan Kaplis. Will
be back to talk more about my beloved alma mater,
The University of Colorado and the Trump administration calling out
CU for its DEI practices.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
And now back to the Dan Tamplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Hello everyone and happy St. Patrick's day.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Going to be wrapping up shortly, but we have Ray
Scott joining us, who's a regent at the University of Colorado. Ray,
let's talk a little bit about why UCCS is being investigated.
I'm reading here that it was because of a partnership
they had with the PhD Project, an organization that helps
provide resources and networking opportunities to doctoral students but limits
(28:23):
eligibility based on the race of the participants.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Is that your understanding?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
That sounds exactly like what I've read also, Heidi, Yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think I think the concern is, you know, there's
affirmative action, there's fairness, but there's overtly picking people for
the color of their skin.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Is not what this country was built on.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And I got an interesting email when all this was
going on from a full professor at CU Boulder that
got tenure.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
He's been there since two.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Thousand and two, I guess when he first arrived, and
he said that a faculty recruiting committee was assigned infirmation
of Action staffer to monitor the hiring process, and this
was to ensure that reasonable attempts were made to solicit
interest in the position from qualified members of their designated
identity groups. But what I really like here is he
(29:13):
talks about what Johnson Humphrey language or the intent of
the Title seven in the Civil Rights Act championed, and
that was to make sure that there wasn't a quota
or it wasn't a requirement, but it was to bring balance,
to just try and bring balance with putting forward good candidates.
It didn't mean that you had to hire somebody because
(29:35):
of their race or religion, and so it encouraged casting
a broad net to ensure that members of identity groups
had a fair opportunity to be included in the pool.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Of adequately meritorious candidates.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And I think Trump's his executive order or his mandate
is to get back to merit based selection for staff.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Is that is that what you understand as well?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Yeah? I think so. And I think you know you've
heard probably heard that you know this coin phrase now merit,
excellence and intelligence instead of DDI, let's go to a
merit based system. Yeah, And that's what we always did right.
I mean that's that's that's where we came from. That's
how these universities quite frankly were built over the last
one hundred plus years. And to drift away as we
(30:25):
have over the last roughly decade to this DDI program
has just been it's I think it's been very damaging obviously. Yeah,
I think it's unfair to my to mine pities even
more to anybody else.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, I agree too.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And and something we should clarify for folks like at
see you in the in the colleges and universities, they
don't just talk about minorities. They talk about underrepresented minorities,
Like you can't lump in Asian students with the Hispanic
students and American Indian students, like it's very specific who
they're talking about. And I think the most beneficial thing
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we could do is take all those millions of dollars
that are being spent on DEI administrators and lower the
overall cost of college to make it accessible to more people.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And then if private.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Individuals want to help, they can give scholarships and decide
who they want the scholarships to go to. But if
we can lower administrative bloats and make sure that the
cost of an education overall goes down.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I think that's better for everybody at the end of
the day.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Oh, no question. I mean that's the focus of every university,
and it should be a huge focus for CU as
you know, put all the focus on the students. You know,
how do we get students in the university and get
them educated. That's our That's our entire mantra that we
should be working on, and quit looking at things on
(31:52):
this bizarre race based type system. I just saw a
statistic which kind of surprised me a little bit, because
again I'm the new guy. When I saw that Senior
has four percent black students, you know, your first reaction
to that was like, wow, that's pretty low. But then
I looked at the demographics for Colorado and were four
(32:13):
percent black population. You know, that kind of set me
a signal real fast, like, wow, we've done a great job.
But you know, we don't want those students coming to
the university or hiring professors for peach sake, just based
on color that that just makes absolutely no sense. It's
got to be merit based. And I think we can
(32:35):
get back there, and I think we will. I don't
think we have a choice. We're going to have to.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, I agree, Ray, and I think, you know, I
believe people at see you have great intentions and there's
a lot of folks that we just have different perspectives
about how to get there. But I do think a
lot of the leadership has good intentions. They want to
do the right things. They're just going to get noodled
into a different direction. That happened around Title nine too
when I was a regent. It went way too far
(33:02):
around due process and not allowing our young men's students
to have due process when they were accused of something
that that was really really crazy for me to see
that happening because I was an advocate obviously for women's issues.
I had a women a company that encouraged young women
to create a life they love called Chief Actor. And
here I am defending the young men like they hey,
(33:23):
they need their day in court, and we have to
make sure that we see due process through on college campuses.
So it's been a crazy time in higher education. What
do you think is you know, the future of higher education.
Do you think that we're going to go away from
the campus based system and get more like creative and
innovative or what's one thing that you see is really
(33:43):
fun that's happening in high ed.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Well, okay, what I think there's there's there's a lot happening.
I think you just nailed it. I just read report
and I think it's over the last ten years, something
like five hundred universities have actually closed their doors. Wow,
which kind of got me by surprise, right, And I
think there's a lot of reasons for that. The cost
of going to school is very expensive. A lot of
(34:07):
people are going to vocational schools now because they don't
have the ability to get student loans, or they just
don't have the ability to travel, or the housing expenses
or whatever it might be. But y'all, I think there's
gonna have to be some shifts and thought of what
do you offer as the university.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, Ray, we're awfully excited and proud to have you
there and see you as a regent on the board
with Ken and Mark and Frank as the conservative contingent.
So keep up the great work, go boffs, and let's
get that contract signed with Deon Sanders as soon as
we can. We need some luck, We need some shamrock luck. There,
but this is Heidig and all been filling in for
(34:46):
Dan Kaplis. Hope y'all have a wonderful Saint Patrick's Day
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