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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caples and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're winning for truth justice in the American way. We
the collective.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We America winning right now. Three all three seven one
three A two five five the number d A N
five seven seven three nine. That doesn't mean everybody in
America is happy with America winning right now, but the
fact is we are winning an important win today at
the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I want to dive into that.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You're going to get detail you're not going to get
anywhere else on a US Supreme Court decision today that
has far far reaching positive implications. And it's of course
on the US Supreme Court addressing whether Tennessee's laws which say,
wait a second, hey.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well you're still a minor.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
No, we're not going to let them be cutting stuff
off you and I'm pouring all these drugs into you
to do stuff to you that can never be reversed.
We're not going to do that here. And the US
Supreme Court upholding that, but why they upheld that Tennessee
law and some of the things the Court said in
the process of upholding the Tennessee law a really important
(01:14):
long term so want to get to that will deep
dive it and winning around the world. I mean, listen,
the credit goes right now obviously to Israel for being
on the brink of hopefully wiping out Around's nuclear weapons program,
but that of enormous value to the United States of America.
Obviously our great alli Israel, who we care deeply about,
but of enormous, enormous protective value to the United States.
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In fact, interesting poll today, Fox News poll, and that
poll does not skew conservative, but that poll showing what
percentage would you guess, Ryan, unless you've seen the poll,
then don't you? I won't what percentage of Americans believe
that Iran is a threat to our national security Iran's
nuclear program.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I don't know that number, So I'll guess.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'll say six.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Pretty durned closest Prime would say, pretty derned closest Prime
would say, And that is in fact seventy three.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Percent, oh even higher, seventy three percent, three quarters of
Americans basic.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And then in terms of US military involvement in the
nuclear program forty nine I think versus forty three in
favor of it. That sort of thing. But listen that
the bottom line is right now, we're going to play
some sound from some back and forth, because anytime you're
talking about America's finest gal men and women in the
military going into harms way that there should be robust
discussion from both sides of the issue. We all know
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who gets to decide it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But give me a break.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I mean, the Iranian nuclear program has been a nemesis
to the world for decades as they've relentlessly tried to
get nukes and we all know how they would likely
use them, and then Israel acts to limit it, and
then there's some espionage and this and that to limit it.
But it's been a relentless effort by Iran and it's
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so threatening to the United States, Israel, and the world.
For these nutty, you know, radical Islamist diatolas to have nukes,
it's a no brainer. So when America, let's just talk
about America's interest. When America is on the verge of
being able to wipe out the Iranian nuclear weapons program,
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it's just something that has to be done, if it
can be done without having to go boots on the ground,
if it can be done without some full scale, prolonged
military involvement. No, let's hope and pray that Israel can
finish the job itself, or the people of Iran topple
the regime. But just the safety of your children, you,
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your wife, your husband, hopefully not both.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I mean, when you're this close, you've got to finish it.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Can I just eviscerate the premise that Iran, under the
leadership of fascistic Mullahs and an iatola fundamentalist Muslims that
they are, had any interest in quote unquote going green
with a nuclear program simply for the sake of nuclear energy.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And I say it for this purpose.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Saudi Arabia Iran likely the two most oil rich nations
on the planet. Iran as the epicenter of OPAK for
all these years. Why would they give up on oil
right beneath their feet in the pursuit of nuclear power?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
What would be the motivation for them to do that?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I don't think anybody denies it, do they?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I think that the left would have you believing you
had me cut some audio but you have a nuclear deal,
they have nuclear problem.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
They don't believe that stuff they say, probably right, I mean, dear,
I'll play that, But I don't think they.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Believe that stuff they say.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I think they say it because they're the opposition and
they hate Trump and they've got to rally their forces. No,
I don't think anythinking person would believe this stuff.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Well, I mean, I think, first and foremost Michael was
right on the point that we have to support our
ally Israel, and there is a way to do that strati.
I think that when you're talking about Iran getting closer
to a nuclear weapon, that should terrify us all. But
the fact is we had an agreement in place in
twenty fifteen, and Iran was in compliance with that agreement
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and they were further away from nuclear capabilities than they
are today.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
BB named Wait a second, that's insane.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Under the agreement, Iran was getting a nuclear weapon, right,
So Obama gives them how.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Much in cash?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Like cash? Money wasn't at one point nine billion or
something cash?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And then a deal where Iran gets a nuke.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So what your your your gift to Israel and the
world is Okay, You've got another seven years of life
before every breath you take is at the whim of
these radical Islamis diatolas with a nuke.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Give me a break.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So yeah, yeah, the lack of intellectual honesty, they're not
a surprise. Three h three someone three eight two five
five takes dam five seven seven three nine. But before
we get out of this segment, God to at least
give you a taste of the importance of this tremendous
US Supreme Court decision today, sixty three decision. And they
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so called quote conservative justices, though when you look at
these great US Supreme Court opinions, they get it right right,
that are interpreting the Constitution and the law correctly. They're
not being driven by Republican party ideology or anything like that.
They're being driven when they say quote conservative probably originalists
(06:29):
to be best. They're just driven by an approach to
deciding these cases that is based on the actual Constitution
and the language in the Constitution and the intent of
the people who wrote it. And so anyway, don't want
to diggress there, but the point being this important six'
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to three decision that, says, Yes state Of, tennessee you
know you want to have these laws you want to
have these laws here that limit the kind of of
stuff that can be done to, kids stuff that can
never be.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Reversed you want to be.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Able to, limit, say doctors from, prescribing, administering or dispensing
puberty blockers or hormones to any minor for the purpose
of Enabling i'm quoting from the opinion the miner to
identify with or live as a purported identity inconsistent with
the miner's biological. Sex and then it goes on to
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other kinds of. Procedures, Yeah, states you want to protect,
kids that, way you can do. It that's what The
Supreme court said, today and it's enormously. Important now the
why also matters a, lot, Right what is the use
of The Supreme court saying here is the reason that
states can go ahead and do this as long as
there's a quote rational. Basis i'll get into that after the,
(07:51):
break but it's very encouraging on multiple. Levels but WHAT
i want to drill down most with AND i think
you'll enjoy the, most Is Justice barrett wrote this absolutely
master class brilliant concurrence. Here and as you, know the
way The Supreme court works is okay of those six
(08:11):
who voted.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
To up hold The tennessee.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Law you, know you can have justices who are part
of the, six but then they split off and write
their own. Opinions And Justice barrett wrote, this you, know
instant classic opinion on an issue The court did not address,
here which is whether transgender is entitled to special class,
(08:36):
status to special, protection to, say sex based. Protection and
because if a court, determines if The Supreme court was
to determine that transgender status is entitled to the same
protection against discrimination as sex as male, female well at
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that point and then there are very very few laws
that could ever be passed that could negatively impact anybody
transgender that would be. Upheld and so very very important
concurrence From Justice barrett where she lays out AND i
think it is one hundred, percent rock, solid, irrefutable you
(09:19):
know why transgender is not entitled is not entitled to
suspect class. Status SO i want to get into the.
DETAILS i know it's tough when you're, driving you, know
to work through you, know some legal type. Stuff but
she wrote this opinion so. Beautifully it's almost as if
she wrote it for law students and other students in the.
(09:44):
Future it's so beautifully written THAT i just want to
read it to you when we come back as, well
because she nails, it and you'll walk away from that
no matter where you happen to be on your preference
on transgender. Policy AND i agree with that The Supreme
court did. Strongly you're going to walk away saying she is.
Right THE Us constitution does not provide for any special
(10:06):
class status for folks who identify as. Transgender you're on
The Dan Capla show.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And now back to The Dan Kaplas show. Podcast, Wow
i've never heard that one. Before thank, You.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Ryan, hey lot's going on, today this tremendous opinion from
THE Us Supreme court upholding Tennis ce's law protecting minors
from these transgender. Procedures AND i do want to get
into the majority opinions analysis here because that's interesting in
and of, Itself but, again the true master class is the,
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concurrence obviously meaning agreeing with the majority opinion That Justice
barrett wrote and Then Justice thomas.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Joined but she just nailed this.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Thing SO i want to give you a little bit
of a taste before we then go back to the
phone lines and do some other things and my friend
and law, partner our managing partner of our, Firm, kellner
who most recently was the ELECTED da in A, repo
And Douglas lincoln And elbert is going to join us
at four thirty five talk about an important new report
from The Common Sense, institute talking about the latest on
(11:12):
fentanyl In. Colorado but let me just Reach i'm going
to read you some verbatim From Justice barrett's concurrence because
the court concludes That Tennessee Senate bill one does not
classify on the basis of transgender. Status it does not
resolve whether transgender status constitutes a suspect CLASS i write
(11:35):
separately to explain, why in my view it does.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Not and then.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah she goes on to, say as a practical, necessity
most legislation classifies for one purpose or, another and then
she cites The colorado Case roamer. V. Evans laws distribute
benefits that advantage particular, groups like in state tuition for,
residents draw lines that might seem arbitrary priends like income
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thresholds for mean tested, benefits and set rules for specific
categories of people priends like a particular profession or age.
Group such classifications do not usually render a law. Unconstitutional,
instead as a general, matter laws are presumed to be constitutionally,
valid and a legislative classification will be upheld quote so
(12:26):
long as it bears a rational relation to some legitimate.
End there are only a few exceptions to this. Rule
classifications based on, sex, race and. Alienage racial and ethnic
classifications receive strict. Scrutiny to survive a constitutional, challenge they
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must be quote narrowly tailored to serve a compelling government,
interest and laws distinguishing between men and women receive intermediate.
Scrutinary to survive a constant titutional, challenge they must be
quote substantially related to achieving an important governmental. Objective so
(13:08):
let me stop here for a. Second this is such
a key, point right because if the court was to
decide that transgender rights were entitled.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
To this.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Sex based type of heightened, scrutiny then almost no laws
that ever disadvantage transgender people based upon their transgender status
could could ever withstand judicial scrutiny because of that elevated.
(13:42):
Status but if transgender is not given that kind of
protected class, status then all the law has to be is,
rational have some rational purpose to. It so that's why
it's so. Critical disparat gets into a really important, point she,
(14:03):
says and she's, right beyond these. Categories beyond these, categories
the set has remained virtually. Closed, indeed this court has
not recognized any new constitutionally protected classes in over four,
decades and has repeatedly declined.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
To do so.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
So in urging us to recognize transgender status as a suspect,
classifications that the plane offs face on high.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Bar this is so.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
CRITICAL i, mean think about, it and then you'll see
in a. Second she goes on to give some. Examples
but wait a, second all of a, sudden we're going
to say transgender status is a suspect class right up
there with race and.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Sex, Really and then she gets.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Into some of the analysis we'll dive into as we
take some calls and things like. That but when, you
and she lays us out, beautifully when you then try to,
determine wait a, second are we going to add a
new group after forty years to this suspect class status
that that race and sex is. In, well we got
(15:16):
to look at some, stuff and she, says we consider
whether members of the group in, question quote exhibit, obvious
immutable or distinguishing characteristics that define them as a discrete,
group and whether that group is a historical, matter has
been subjected to, discrimination and whether the group is a
(15:38):
minority or politically. Powerless and then she goes on to,
saying this is so, interesting, right we have held that
the mentally, disabled the, elderly and the poor are not suspect.
Classes so the same court that is held that the
mentally disabled are not a suspect class is now supposed
to hold the transgender. Is and then she gets into
(16:03):
breaking down so logically and factually why transgender just doesn't
qualify under the law for suspect class. Status so it
all comes back to the same bottom. Line, listen if
transgender status doesn't get the same protected class status as
race and, sex then all the law has to be
(16:25):
to be upheld is. Rational and lord knows That tennessee
law that says you're not going to butcher these kids
while they're kids with irreversible stuff is more than. Rational
three all, three, someone, three, eight two five. Five then
NUMBER i got a bunch of, text bunch of. Calls
obviously we're talking about the latest In iran as. Well
(16:46):
let's go up to beautiful For, Collins. Colorado we'll start With.
Bill you're on The DAN kapli show how you Doing?
Speaker 7 (16:51):
Bill very?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Good.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
DAN i wanted to mention to you that the problems
In iran have a direct connection with coloraderm And i'll
tell you. How in nineteen, fifty rather in nineteen seventy,
EIGHT i attended THE nato school in Ober, Amigau, germany
(17:13):
and the guest speaker there Was General ROBERT. E. HEISER
i talked with him for a while AND i Asked
General heiser what was he. Doing he, said, well he
was a deputy commander FOR. Nato and he, said BUT
i did have an interesting. Experience. RECENTLY i was called
to The White house by The president AND i was
(17:35):
told THAT i should go directly To tehran and tell
The shaw that THE us government was no longer backing
his plate and that he should abdicate and leave the.
Country and that was the key that started. Everything and
WHEN i Asked General, HYSER i, said well where are you?
(17:56):
From and he said a small town you never. RECOGNIZE
i said? Where he said In. COLORADO i, said, Well
i've lived there are a number of. Years where is
it he, SAID i? LIVED i was born and raised In, Paonia,
colorado and that he played football in high school with
all of them mcgral, boys who ultimately went to C
(18:18):
issue And thom McGraw of course Became All american and three.
Sports but the key was The heiser was the courier
From Jimmy carter to tell The shaw to leave and
everything went down.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
The Old oh it sure.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Did what a great, Story, Bill, hey sure appreciate. That
and think of those Poor iranian, people the vast majority
innocent captives of this, regime and how their lives, were
how they were tossed into the dungeon in seventy.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Nine you're listening to The Dan Kaplis show. Podcast another
beautiful summer. Day glad you're.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Here so much going on in the, world including this
really BRILLIANT Us Supreme court decision today Upholding tennessees law
that says you're not going to butcher our kids with
this transgender. Stuff SO i give you a deep dive
on the concurrence of Justice barrett beautifully written on why
transgender does not it's not under.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
The law entitled to protecting class. Status we'll get back to.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That, hey my good, friend my good, friend and law,
partner in fact managing partner of our, Firm John kellner until,
recently obviously the ELECTED da and OF A Rappo, Douglas
albert And lincoln is now working with The Common Sense
institute as, well and they have a really intriguing report
out today on the state of fentanol In.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Colorado, john how you.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Doing i'm, Good, DAN i appreciate.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It you have me on, WELL i shouldn't have even asked,
that Because i've been with you all. DAY i know
HOW i know unless it's. Changed did it change in
the ten minutes it took me.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
To drive over, HERE i don't. Think so they're working
on the cases over.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Here, good, good.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Good so, yeah, HEY i Obviously i've seen most of
this report on, fentanyl but bring folks up to speed
if you.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Would.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
Yeah, so as one of my side, PROJECTS i have
the pleasure of being A Criminal Justice fellow with The
Common Sense, institute and obviously, that you, know brings back
a lot of my experience from being a district, attorney
and So i've been deeply involved with The Common Sense
institute in, evaluating you, know what are the effects right
now of some of the changes in the law that
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the state has, passed and how is it affecting fentanyl
overdose deaths in our, state which you KNOW csi has
been on the forefront of really evaluating what is the
cost to a consumer to society in the state Of
colorado for some of the policy decisions that are made
under The Gold dome at The. Capitol and, so you,
(20:48):
know one of the things that we were looking at
is after the twenty twenty two law change to clamp
down not entirely but to some extent on possession of
fentanyl and then fentanyl drug. Dealers have we seen a
Decrease AND i just want to bring your listeners back
to twenty twenty, one twenty twenty two and think back
(21:08):
to that, time because it was hard for anybody to
open up let's, say you, know a media app newspaper
and not see a headline about a tragic overdose, death
a poisoning associated with.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Fentanyl and so many times that was you.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Know, juveniles people who didn't know what they were ingesting
because something was laced with sentyl and it's an incredibly,
dangerous deadly. Drug so they tried to reverse some of
the decriminalization that it happened in the twenty twenty. Timeframe
with This Fentanyl Accountability bill in twenty twenty two that
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made it a low level felony to possess one gram of.
Fentanyl and your listeners might think one gram that doesn't
sound like, much but just two milligrams of this, stuff
right is enough to cause a.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Death so good.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
Stuff on the horizon i'd say for the state Of
colorado is that since the passage of this, law and
since there's been an extreme tightening of border security out
of the southwestern, border we are seeing a decline in
fentel overdose deaths for the first time in the last
roughly four. Years so those deaths have gone down from
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around eleven hundred in twenty twenty three to around eight
hundred in twenty twenty. Four that's a significant thirty plus percentage,
Decrease so we like to see that path.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Continue.
Speaker 9 (22:37):
Now our report looks at a lot of reasons behind
that and then make some, recommendations of, course as to
what is the way. Ahead and we stand by this
idea that increasing the penalties for folks who possess these,
drugs reversing some of the decriminalization efforts of twenty nineteen
twenty twenty is going to continue this path forward of
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a reduction in overdose deaths in addition to continuing to
provide test strips in the lock, zoon you, know that
sort of overdose reversal medication that has saved a lot of.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Lives And john calder our, guest obviously my friend and law,
partner but he's here talking about The Common Sense institute
findings on. Fentanyl, Now, john AS i hear about these,
numbers and you, know it's great to think about three
hundred fewer deaths and all of those moms and dads
and families and others who have not lost a loved.
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One but as the report points out that the, number
that eight hundred number is still a lot higher than
the baseline had been before, twenty isn't that?
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Right, oh way higher than it was before twenty. Twenty
and you, know fentanyl exploded onto the scene in twenty,
twenty or right after the legislature had decriminalized in the
twenty nineteen law that went into effect in twenty twenty
that made it a misdemeanor to possess hard drugs, heroin, meth,
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cocaine and. Ventanyl and then at that same, time you
had the, lockdowns a lot of core, closures a lot
of jail closures because OF, covid and really a decrease
in proactive i'd say law, enforcement you, know throughout that,
summer a lot of it associated WITH.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Covid so it was.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
A bit of a perfect storm in the state Of.
Colorado and that is unfortunately one of our other, findings
which is that even though we're making progress In colorado
with policy, changes our competitive, Index so how do we
rate compared to other?
Speaker 7 (24:39):
States?
Speaker 8 (24:39):
Right?
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Right is your competing for?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Tires right when you get these Top fortune one hundred
companies looking for a place to.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Land, yeah, well that's certainly a big part of.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
It.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
Right we want to drive, industry and of COURSE i
have a great economy in this. State but when you
look at the drug overdose, competitiveness we are still higher
than we were back in twenty fifteen or thirtieth in the.
Country and what that tells us is that other states
are actually seeing, better stronger decreases in the feneral overdose
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death in that fight against this. Drug and so there's
much more work to do in our.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
State, hey and let me ask you about.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
THIS i got you that there's general and their, exceptions
downward trend in some cases downward ticking of crime, rates
Which colorado is overall included in right now to a,
point what is behind? That because even with, that to
your last, point we still See colorado way too high
(25:39):
in terms of. Crime but what's behind this kind of nationwide.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
Easing, YEAH i would say there's a lot of, factors
but one of the biggest ones, WAS i think the
loss of support and morale of law enforcement after the
protests and riots associated with the death Of George. Floyd
and wherever you fall on, that you know you think
(26:06):
it's you, know murder or. Not the reality is that
law enforcement across this state and much of the country
was vilified. Unfairly you, know most law enforcement officers put
on that badge and. Uniform it could be their last
day on this, earth but they go out and do,
it and they do it to help.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Make their community, safer and they do it the right.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
Way, now after that, happened you could see, it you
know in a lot of our statistics where there was
a decrease in proactive you know law enforcement where you,
know responding to calls that you know may have been
on the lower end of the criminal, spectrum, right we're
certainly less of a priority and more of a concern
(26:50):
about whether or not they're going to end, up you,
know in the cross airs of litigation or getting fired
or made YouTube famous or something like.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
That SO i think that was a big part of.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It, yeah, yeah it makes total.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Sense, hey one more, question BECAUSE i know you'll be
totally objective and honest on, this and a man can't
sit on his own. Jury but how good do you
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And pam brought in? Today johnny And pam dear friends
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was so much. Jarring had never seen that. BEFORE i
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of That ostrich. Thing BUT i noticed you dodged your.
Question so is it fair to say THAT i look
really really good in? It LIKE i was born to wear? It?
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Absolutely definitely to put words in your mouth every day
and also to.
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Court, YEAH i don't, know but you have to take
it off as you go into the, courtroom right Because
john AND i are trying to case in what two
weeks In colorado, spring So i'll debut it.
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Here, yeah, Thanks, Dan and just anybody can find our
work that came out today if they want to learn
more about the fight against fentanyl and and really economic
impacts of our state At Common sentence TO ceo dot.
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Org you can find the report.
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Day, hey Thanks, john take care AND i hope you
do go look up the. REPORT i had a chance
to see it. Earlier they do great work at The
Common Sense, Institute Ryan, Kelly i'm going to debut that
hat for, you BECAUSE i don't think you've seen me
in a.
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believe at.
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as it went on my, head you were born to wear.
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have a. Song, yeah But i'll fit the good fired
up here on The Dan Capla show.
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i'm not going to take up showtime at this, Please, No,
NO i wish you could have been there because, See
johnny's a real. COWBOY i, Mean johnny's the tough As
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born to wear. It so not one of these phony
urban cowboy baringstone.
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the enner. Me did you just discover something about?
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Yourself did you look in the.
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Mirror, well everybody just immediately, said, wow you look, different
you seem.
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Different.
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i've been happily married thirty. Years it's about to be thirty.
ONE i don't care WHAT i look like as long
As i'm not repelling people with my, appearance you know
WHAT i.
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CARE i don't care if people, think, oh he looks
good or he looks, bad as long as they're not.
Repelled but you had to be there and you'll. See
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car bring it. Back kelly takes a. Photo we put
it out ON.
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Two out of.
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see so she can't go. Anywhere, oh she can't get, Up,
Brian i'm not, wrong, okay.
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Massage?
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in her.
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Speaker 1 (31:44):
Okay Ted cruz looking for some therapy After tucker.
Speaker 11 (31:49):
Curls how many people living around by the, WAY i
don't know the population at. All, NO i don't know the.
Population you don't know the population of the. Country you
see to topple and how many people living? Around nine
eight two? Million, okay, yeah how could you not know?
Speaker 8 (32:05):
That?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Well wait a second, here wait a, second does it
matter how many people lived In? Germany?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
No When hitler needed to be taken.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
Out absolutely.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Not, yeah, yeah, OKAY.
Speaker 10 (32:19):
I don't sit around memorizing population.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Tables, well it's kind of relevant because you're calling for
the overthrow of the.
Speaker 11 (32:24):
Government why is it relevant whether it's well because ninety
million or eighty million or one hundred, Million why.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Is this if you don't know anything about the. Country
he didn't, SAY i don't know anything About say.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
What's The that is so cheap On Tucker's AND i
understand a lot of good people in this audience will
disagree with man THAT i think that was so cheap
On tucker's. Point pardon you know WHAT i think is
going on here Because Tucker carlson did a lot of
good work when he was on. AIR i didn't agree
with him on, everything but he did a lot of good.
WORK i think what's going on right now is. Understandable
maybe for a guy who had that big network platform every,
(32:54):
day when all of a sudden you don't have that
network platform. Anymore that THEN i, THINK i think it's
just just human, nature, right especially for somebody who's been
in that big, spotlight to just say more and more extreme,
things to do more and more unusual, things just to
try to get. ATTENTION i thought that personally was a cheap.
Trick what would like your take on.
Speaker 10 (33:15):
It i've said We israel is leading, them but we're supporting.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Them, well you're.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Breaking news here because THE us government last night denied
The National Security council Spokesman Alex feiffer denied on behalf
Of trump that we were acting On israel's behalf.
Speaker 11 (33:29):
In any offensive. Capacity we're not bombing Than israel's bombing.
Them you just said we, were we are supporting as
you're a. Senator if you're saying The United states government
is now we're with a run right. Now people are.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Listening, SEE i don't think you said that at.
Speaker 11 (33:42):
All i've said We israel is leading, them but we're supporting.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
Them, well you're breaking news.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Here, Yeah And i'm sorry to See tucker kind of
reducing himself to this because he has done so much
good work And i'm sure he will. Again let me
get to an earlier clip.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
There, okay what's the ethnic mix Of? Ron they Are
persians and person That.
Speaker 11 (34:08):
Lishia, okay you don't know anything About, iran so, Okay
i'm not the The Tucker carlson On. Iran you're a
who's Calling you're the one that remember the one who
about the. Country, no you don't know anything about the.
Country you're the one who claims they're not trying to
Murder Donald.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
Trump i'm not saying. That who can't figure, out say
you said they're trying to Murder? Trump, yes because.
Speaker 11 (34:32):
You're not calling for military strikes against them in retaliation
and the carrying out military strikes.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Today who Said israel was right with our?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Help? Yeah So.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I'm sure at least half the audience Supports tucker in.
This and, LISTEN i understand anybody who's just very hasn't
it to have ANY us military. Involvement And i've backed
up WHY i, think if, necessary as a last, resort
THE us should be involved air only in taking out
flourdo taking out any of the deep bunker type in
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nuclear facilities That israel is not able to reach. Itself
it is in our national security interest that the Radical
islamis mullahs who run around not have nuclear. WEAPONS i
think that's clear as day three at three seOne three
eight two five five text d an five seven seven three.
Nine so Oh Aaron lee at five thirty. Six, great
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we'll be talking With aaron who does great work to protect.
Children about the very, important well REASONED Us Supreme court
decision today Backing tennessee's law that, says, no you're not
going to do these things to our kids In tennessee
while they're. Kids, now once they become, adults they want
to chop off body, parts they want to chemically alter
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themselves for, life knock yourself out when you're an, adult
but you're not going to do it to our. KIDS
Us Supreme court says a state gets to make that.
Decision you're on The dankapitlis.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're winning for truth justice in the American way. We
the collective.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We America winning right now. Three all three seven one
three A two five five the number d A N
five seven seven three nine. That doesn't mean everybody in
America is happy with America winning right now, but the
fact is we are winning an important win today at
the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I want to dive into that.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You're going to get detail you're not going to get
anywhere else on a US Supreme Court decision today that
has far far reaching positive implications. And it's of course
on the US Supreme Court addressing whether Tennessee's laws which say,
wait a second, hey.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well you're still a minor.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
No, we're not going to let them be cutting stuff
off you and I'm pouring all these drugs into you
to do stuff to you that can never be reversed.
We're not going to do that here. And the US
Supreme Court upholding that, but why they upheld that Tennessee
law and some of the things the Court said in
the process of upholding the Tennessee law a really important
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long term so want to get to that will deep
dive it and winning around the world. I mean, listen,
the credit goes right now obviously to Israel for being
on the brink of hopefully wiping out Around's nuclear weapons program,
but that of enormous value to the United States of America.
Obviously our great alli Israel, who we care deeply about,
but of enormous, enormous protective value to the United States.
(01:39):
In fact, interesting poll today, Fox News poll, and that
poll does not skew conservative, but that poll showing what
percentage would you guess, Ryan, unless you've seen the poll,
then don't you? I won't what percentage of Americans believe
that Iran is a threat to our national security Iran's
nuclear program.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I don't know that number, So I'll guess.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'll say six.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Pretty durned closest Prime would say, pretty derned closest Prime
would say, And that is in fact seventy three.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Percent, oh even higher, seventy three percent, three quarters of
Americans basic.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And then in terms of US military involvement in the
nuclear program forty nine I think versus forty three in
favor of it. That sort of thing. But listen that
the bottom line is right now, we're going to play
some sound from some back and forth, because anytime you're
talking about America's finest gal men and women in the
military going into harms way that there should be robust
discussion from both sides of the issue. We all know
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who gets to decide it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But give me a break.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I mean, the Iranian nuclear program has been a nemesis
to the world for decades as they've relentlessly tried to
get nukes and we all know how they would likely
use them, and then Israel acts to limit it, and
then there's some espionage and this and that to limit it.
But it's been a relentless effort by Iran and it's
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so threatening to the United States, Israel, and the world.
For these nutty, you know, radical Islamist diatolas to have nukes,
it's a no brainer. So when America, let's just talk
about America's interest. When America is on the verge of
being able to wipe out the Iranian nuclear weapons program,
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it's just something that has to be done, if it
can be done without having to go boots on the ground,
if it can be done without some full scale, prolonged
military involvement. No, let's hope and pray that Israel can
finish the job itself, or the people of Iran topple
the regime. But just the safety of your children, you,
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your wife, your husband, hopefully not both.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I mean, when you're this close, you've got to finish it.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Can I just eviscerate the premise that Iran, under the
leadership of fascistic Mullahs and an iatola fundamentalist Muslims that
they are, had any interest in quote unquote going green
with a nuclear program simply for the sake of nuclear energy.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And I say it for this purpose.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Saudi Arabia Iran likely the two most oil rich nations
on the planet. Iran as the epicenter of OPAK for
all these years. Why would they give up on oil
right beneath their feet in the pursuit of nuclear power?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
What would be the motivation for them to do that?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I don't think anybody denies it, do they?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I think that the left would have you believing you
had me cut some audio but you have a nuclear deal,
they have nuclear problem.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
They don't believe that stuff they say, probably right, I mean, dear,
I'll play that, But I don't think they.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Believe that stuff they say.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I think they say it because they're the opposition and
they hate Trump and they've got to rally their forces. No,
I don't think anythinking person would believe this stuff.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Well, I mean, I think, first and foremost Michael was
right on the point that we have to support our
ally Israel, and there is a way to do that strati.
I think that when you're talking about Iran getting closer
to a nuclear weapon, that should terrify us all. But
the fact is we had an agreement in place in
twenty fifteen, and Iran was in compliance with that agreement
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and they were further away from nuclear capabilities than they
are today.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
BB named Wait a second, that's insane.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Under the agreement, Iran was getting a nuclear weapon, right,
So Obama gives them how.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Much in cash?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Like cash? Money wasn't at one point nine billion or
something cash?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And then a deal where Iran gets a nuke.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So what your your your gift to Israel and the
world is Okay, You've got another seven years of life
before every breath you take is at the whim of
these radical Islamis diatolas with a nuke.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Give me a break.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So yeah, yeah, the lack of intellectual honesty, they're not
a surprise. Three h three someone three eight two five
five takes dam five seven seven three nine. But before
we get out of this segment, God to at least
give you a taste of the importance of this tremendous
US Supreme Court decision today, sixty three decision. And they
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so called quote conservative justices, though when you look at
these great US Supreme Court opinions, they get it right right,
that are interpreting the Constitution and the law correctly. They're
not being driven by Republican party ideology or anything like that.
They're being driven when they say quote conservative probably originalists
(06:29):
to be best. They're just driven by an approach to
deciding these cases that is based on the actual Constitution
and the language in the Constitution and the intent of
the people who wrote it. And so anyway, don't want
to diggress there, but the point being this important six'
(06:49):
to three decision that, says, Yes state Of, tennessee you
know you want to have these laws you want to
have these laws here that limit the kind of of
stuff that can be done to, kids stuff that can
never be.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Reversed you want to be.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Able to, limit, say doctors from, prescribing, administering or dispensing
puberty blockers or hormones to any minor for the purpose
of Enabling i'm quoting from the opinion the miner to
identify with or live as a purported identity inconsistent with
the miner's biological. Sex and then it goes on to
(07:30):
other kinds of. Procedures, Yeah, states you want to protect,
kids that, way you can do. It that's what The
Supreme court said, today and it's enormously. Important now the
why also matters a, lot, Right what is the use
of The Supreme court saying here is the reason that
states can go ahead and do this as long as
there's a quote rational. Basis i'll get into that after the,
(07:51):
break but it's very encouraging on multiple. Levels but WHAT
i want to drill down most with AND i think
you'll enjoy the, most Is Justice barrett wrote this absolutely
master class brilliant concurrence. Here and as you, know the
way The Supreme court works is okay of those six
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who voted.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
To up hold The tennessee.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Law you, know you can have justices who are part
of the, six but then they split off and write
their own. Opinions And Justice barrett wrote, this you, know
instant classic opinion on an issue The court did not address,
here which is whether transgender is entitled to special class,
(08:36):
status to special, protection to, say sex based. Protection and
because if a court, determines if The Supreme court was
to determine that transgender status is entitled to the same
protection against discrimination as sex as male, female well at
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that point and then there are very very few laws
that could ever be passed that could negatively impact anybody
transgender that would be. Upheld and so very very important
concurrence From Justice barrett where she lays out AND i
think it is one hundred, percent rock, solid, irrefutable you
(09:19):
know why transgender is not entitled is not entitled to
suspect class. Status SO i want to get into the.
DETAILS i know it's tough when you're, driving you, know
to work through you, know some legal type. Stuff but
she wrote this opinion so. Beautifully it's almost as if
she wrote it for law students and other students in the.
(09:44):
Future it's so beautifully written THAT i just want to
read it to you when we come back as, well
because she nails, it and you'll walk away from that
no matter where you happen to be on your preference
on transgender. Policy AND i agree with that The Supreme
court did. Strongly you're going to walk away saying she is.
Right THE Us constitution does not provide for any special
(10:06):
class status for folks who identify as. Transgender you're on
The Dan Capla show.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And now back to The Dan Kaplas show. Podcast, Wow
i've never heard that one. Before thank, You.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Ryan, hey lot's going on, today this tremendous opinion from
THE Us Supreme court upholding Tennis ce's law protecting minors
from these transgender. Procedures AND i do want to get
into the majority opinions analysis here because that's interesting in
and of, Itself but, again the true master class is the,
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concurrence obviously meaning agreeing with the majority opinion That Justice
barrett wrote and Then Justice thomas.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Joined but she just nailed this.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Thing SO i want to give you a little bit
of a taste before we then go back to the
phone lines and do some other things and my friend
and law, partner our managing partner of our, Firm, kellner
who most recently was the ELECTED da in A, repo
And Douglas lincoln And elbert is going to join us
at four thirty five talk about an important new report
from The Common Sense, institute talking about the latest on
(11:12):
fentanyl In. Colorado but let me just Reach i'm going
to read you some verbatim From Justice barrett's concurrence because
the court concludes That Tennessee Senate bill one does not
classify on the basis of transgender. Status it does not
resolve whether transgender status constitutes a suspect CLASS i write
(11:35):
separately to explain, why in my view it does.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Not and then.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah she goes on to, say as a practical, necessity
most legislation classifies for one purpose or, another and then
she cites The colorado Case roamer. V. Evans laws distribute
benefits that advantage particular, groups like in state tuition for,
residents draw lines that might seem arbitrary priends like income
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thresholds for mean tested, benefits and set rules for specific
categories of people priends like a particular profession or age.
Group such classifications do not usually render a law. Unconstitutional,
instead as a general, matter laws are presumed to be constitutionally,
valid and a legislative classification will be upheld quote so
(12:26):
long as it bears a rational relation to some legitimate.
End there are only a few exceptions to this. Rule
classifications based on, sex, race and. Alienage racial and ethnic
classifications receive strict. Scrutiny to survive a constitutional, challenge they
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must be quote narrowly tailored to serve a compelling government,
interest and laws distinguishing between men and women receive intermediate.
Scrutinary to survive a constant titutional, challenge they must be
quote substantially related to achieving an important governmental. Objective so
(13:08):
let me stop here for a. Second this is such
a key, point right because if the court was to
decide that transgender rights were entitled.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
To this.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Sex based type of heightened, scrutiny then almost no laws
that ever disadvantage transgender people based upon their transgender status
could could ever withstand judicial scrutiny because of that elevated.
(13:42):
Status but if transgender is not given that kind of
protected class, status then all the law has to be is,
rational have some rational purpose to. It so that's why
it's so. Critical disparat gets into a really important, point she,
(14:03):
says and she's, right beyond these. Categories beyond these, categories
the set has remained virtually. Closed, indeed this court has
not recognized any new constitutionally protected classes in over four,
decades and has repeatedly declined.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
To do so.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
So in urging us to recognize transgender status as a suspect,
classifications that the plane offs face on high.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Bar this is so.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
CRITICAL i, mean think about, it and then you'll see
in a. Second she goes on to give some. Examples
but wait a, second all of a, sudden we're going
to say transgender status is a suspect class right up
there with race and.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Sex, Really and then she gets.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Into some of the analysis we'll dive into as we
take some calls and things like. That but when, you
and she lays us out, beautifully when you then try to,
determine wait a, second are we going to add a
new group after forty years to this suspect class status
that that race and sex is. In, well we got
(15:16):
to look at some, stuff and she, says we consider
whether members of the group in, question quote exhibit, obvious
immutable or distinguishing characteristics that define them as a discrete,
group and whether that group is a historical, matter has
been subjected to, discrimination and whether the group is a
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minority or politically. Powerless and then she goes on to,
saying this is so, interesting, right we have held that
the mentally, disabled the, elderly and the poor are not suspect.
Classes so the same court that is held that the
mentally disabled are not a suspect class is now supposed
to hold the transgender. Is and then she gets into
(16:03):
breaking down so logically and factually why transgender just doesn't
qualify under the law for suspect class. Status so it
all comes back to the same bottom. Line, listen if
transgender status doesn't get the same protected class status as
race and, sex then all the law has to be
(16:25):
to be upheld is. Rational and lord knows That tennessee
law that says you're not going to butcher these kids
while they're kids with irreversible stuff is more than. Rational
three all, three, someone, three, eight two five. Five then
NUMBER i got a bunch of, text bunch of. Calls
obviously we're talking about the latest In iran as. Well
(16:46):
let's go up to beautiful For, Collins. Colorado we'll start With.
Bill you're on The DAN kapli show how you Doing?
Speaker 7 (16:51):
Bill very?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Good.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
DAN i wanted to mention to you that the problems
In iran have a direct connection with coloraderm And i'll
tell you. How in nineteen, fifty rather in nineteen seventy,
EIGHT i attended THE nato school in Ober, Amigau, germany
(17:13):
and the guest speaker there Was General ROBERT. E. HEISER
i talked with him for a while AND i Asked
General heiser what was he. Doing he, said, well he
was a deputy commander FOR. Nato and he, said BUT
i did have an interesting. Experience. RECENTLY i was called
to The White house by The president AND i was
(17:35):
told THAT i should go directly To tehran and tell
The shaw that THE us government was no longer backing
his plate and that he should abdicate and leave the.
Country and that was the key that started. Everything and
WHEN i Asked General, HYSER i, said well where are you?
(17:56):
From and he said a small town you never. RECOGNIZE
i said? Where he said In. COLORADO i, said, Well
i've lived there are a number of. Years where is
it he, SAID i? LIVED i was born and raised In, Paonia,
colorado and that he played football in high school with
all of them mcgral, boys who ultimately went to C
(18:18):
issue And thom McGraw of course Became All american and three.
Sports but the key was The heiser was the courier
From Jimmy carter to tell The shaw to leave and
everything went down.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
The Old oh it sure.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Did what a great, Story, Bill, hey sure appreciate. That
and think of those Poor iranian, people the vast majority
innocent captives of this, regime and how their lives, were
how they were tossed into the dungeon in seventy.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Nine you're listening to The Dan Kaplis show. Podcast another
beautiful summer. Day glad you're.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Here so much going on in the, world including this
really BRILLIANT Us Supreme court decision today Upholding tennessees law
that says you're not going to butcher our kids with
this transgender. Stuff SO i give you a deep dive
on the concurrence of Justice barrett beautifully written on why
transgender does not it's not under.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
The law entitled to protecting class. Status we'll get back to.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That, hey my good, friend my good, friend and law,
partner in fact managing partner of our, Firm John kellner until,
recently obviously the ELECTED da and OF A Rappo, Douglas
albert And lincoln is now working with The Common Sense
institute as, well and they have a really intriguing report
out today on the state of fentanol In.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Colorado, john how you.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Doing i'm, Good, DAN i appreciate.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It you have me on, WELL i shouldn't have even asked,
that Because i've been with you all. DAY i know
HOW i know unless it's. Changed did it change in
the ten minutes it took me.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
To drive over, HERE i don't. Think so they're working
on the cases over.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Here, good, good.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Good so, yeah, HEY i Obviously i've seen most of
this report on, fentanyl but bring folks up to speed
if you.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Would.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
Yeah, so as one of my side, PROJECTS i have
the pleasure of being A Criminal Justice fellow with The
Common Sense, institute and obviously, that you, know brings back
a lot of my experience from being a district, attorney
and So i've been deeply involved with The Common Sense
institute in, evaluating you, know what are the effects right
now of some of the changes in the law that
(20:27):
the state has, passed and how is it affecting fentanyl
overdose deaths in our, state which you KNOW csi has
been on the forefront of really evaluating what is the
cost to a consumer to society in the state Of
colorado for some of the policy decisions that are made
under The Gold dome at The. Capitol and, so you,
(20:48):
know one of the things that we were looking at
is after the twenty twenty two law change to clamp
down not entirely but to some extent on possession of
fentanyl and then fentanyl drug. Dealers have we seen a
Decrease AND i just want to bring your listeners back
to twenty twenty, one twenty twenty two and think back
(21:08):
to that, time because it was hard for anybody to
open up let's, say you, know a media app newspaper
and not see a headline about a tragic overdose, death
a poisoning associated with.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Fentanyl and so many times that was you.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Know, juveniles people who didn't know what they were ingesting
because something was laced with sentyl and it's an incredibly,
dangerous deadly. Drug so they tried to reverse some of
the decriminalization that it happened in the twenty twenty. Timeframe
with This Fentanyl Accountability bill in twenty twenty two that
(21:45):
made it a low level felony to possess one gram of.
Fentanyl and your listeners might think one gram that doesn't
sound like, much but just two milligrams of this, stuff
right is enough to cause a.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Death so good.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
Stuff on the horizon i'd say for the state Of
colorado is that since the passage of this, law and
since there's been an extreme tightening of border security out
of the southwestern, border we are seeing a decline in
fentel overdose deaths for the first time in the last
roughly four. Years so those deaths have gone down from
(22:24):
around eleven hundred in twenty twenty three to around eight
hundred in twenty twenty. Four that's a significant thirty plus percentage,
Decrease so we like to see that path.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Continue.
Speaker 9 (22:37):
Now our report looks at a lot of reasons behind
that and then make some, recommendations of, course as to
what is the way. Ahead and we stand by this
idea that increasing the penalties for folks who possess these,
drugs reversing some of the decriminalization efforts of twenty nineteen
twenty twenty is going to continue this path forward of
(22:58):
a reduction in overdose deaths in addition to continuing to
provide test strips in the lock, zoon you, know that
sort of overdose reversal medication that has saved a lot of.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Lives And john calder our, guest obviously my friend and law,
partner but he's here talking about The Common Sense institute
findings on. Fentanyl, Now, john AS i hear about these,
numbers and you, know it's great to think about three
hundred fewer deaths and all of those moms and dads
and families and others who have not lost a loved.
(23:30):
One but as the report points out that the, number
that eight hundred number is still a lot higher than
the baseline had been before, twenty isn't that?
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Right, oh way higher than it was before twenty. Twenty
and you, know fentanyl exploded onto the scene in twenty,
twenty or right after the legislature had decriminalized in the
twenty nineteen law that went into effect in twenty twenty
that made it a misdemeanor to possess hard drugs, heroin, meth,
(24:01):
cocaine and. Ventanyl and then at that same, time you
had the, lockdowns a lot of core, closures a lot
of jail closures because OF, covid and really a decrease
in proactive i'd say law, enforcement you, know throughout that,
summer a lot of it associated WITH.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Covid so it was.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
A bit of a perfect storm in the state Of.
Colorado and that is unfortunately one of our other, findings
which is that even though we're making progress In colorado
with policy, changes our competitive, Index so how do we
rate compared to other?
Speaker 7 (24:39):
States?
Speaker 8 (24:39):
Right?
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Right is your competing for?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Tires right when you get these Top fortune one hundred
companies looking for a place to.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Land, yeah, well that's certainly a big part of.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
It.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
Right we want to drive, industry and of COURSE i
have a great economy in this. State but when you
look at the drug overdose, competitiveness we are still higher
than we were back in twenty fifteen or thirtieth in the.
Country and what that tells us is that other states
are actually seeing, better stronger decreases in the feneral overdose
(25:13):
death in that fight against this. Drug and so there's
much more work to do in our.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
State, hey and let me ask you about.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
THIS i got you that there's general and their, exceptions
downward trend in some cases downward ticking of crime, rates
Which colorado is overall included in right now to a,
point what is behind? That because even with, that to
your last, point we still See colorado way too high
(25:39):
in terms of. Crime but what's behind this kind of nationwide.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
Easing, YEAH i would say there's a lot of, factors
but one of the biggest ones, WAS i think the
loss of support and morale of law enforcement after the
protests and riots associated with the death Of George. Floyd
and wherever you fall on, that you know you think
(26:06):
it's you, know murder or. Not the reality is that
law enforcement across this state and much of the country
was vilified. Unfairly you, know most law enforcement officers put
on that badge and. Uniform it could be their last
day on this, earth but they go out and do,
it and they do it to help.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Make their community, safer and they do it the right.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
Way, now after that, happened you could see, it you
know in a lot of our statistics where there was
a decrease in proactive you know law enforcement where you,
know responding to calls that you know may have been
on the lower end of the criminal, spectrum, right we're
certainly less of a priority and more of a concern
(26:50):
about whether or not they're going to end, up you,
know in the cross airs of litigation or getting fired
or made YouTube famous or something like.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
That SO i think that was a big part of.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It, yeah, yeah it makes total.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Sense, hey one more, question BECAUSE i know you'll be
totally objective and honest on, this and a man can't
sit on his own. Jury but how good do you
THINK i look in that black cowboy hat That johnny
And pam brought in? Today johnny And pam dear friends
of the firm and, clients just the greatest people you'll
ever know on the face of this. Earth and so
(27:25):
they brought in some gifts, today including the same literally
the same black cowboy hat That prime, wears made by
the same, people custom fit to. Me AND i just
need you to tell people because it'll just sound bad
coming from.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Me, WELL i.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Want to, know how did you tell people it?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Looked, WELL i haven't told him. Yet i'm not that
kind of.
Speaker 9 (27:47):
Guy, well let me just, say first of, all it
was so much. Jarring had never seen that. BEFORE i
think to complete the, look, Though, dan no matter what you,
do you got to get some.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Boost oh, yeah, yeah that's on the way.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Home i'm going To Gabe evans fundraiser tonight with WHICH
i think is on the way To.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Scheffler's absolutely make a stop Off.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Schefflers what would you recommend any particular type LIKE i
have size WHEN i came out to college here in the.
SEVENTIES i don't know if daven stay probably like a.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
Like An ostrich boot kind of.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Guy, okay, OKAY i DON'T i don't like that thought
of That ostrich. Thing BUT i noticed you dodged your.
Question so is it fair to say THAT i look
really really good in? It LIKE i was born to wear? It?
Speaker 9 (28:33):
Absolutely definitely to put words in your mouth every day
and also to.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Court, YEAH i don't, know but you have to take
it off as you go into the, courtroom right Because
john AND i are trying to case in what two
weeks In colorado, spring So i'll debut it.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
There, yeah definitely do.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
It, okay all, right my, friend you may want to clear
that with the client, First but, hey thanks for being.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
Here, yeah, Thanks, Dan and just anybody can find our
work that came out today if they want to learn
more about the fight against fentanyl and and really economic
impacts of our state At Common sentence TO ceo dot.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
Org you can find the report.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
There beautiful.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Day, hey Thanks, john take care AND i hope you
do go look up the. REPORT i had a chance
to see it. Earlier they do great work at The
Common Sense, Institute Ryan, Kelly i'm going to debut that
hat for, you BECAUSE i don't think you've seen me
in a.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
In a hat. Before you need to put that ON
x you.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Know after you see, it tell me whether you still
believe at.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
That but BUT i.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
DO i, MEAN i, think like everybody said as soon
as it went on my, head you were born to wear.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That you've been miscast your whole. LIFE i THINK i
have a. Song, yeah But i'll fit the good fired
up here on The Dan Capla show.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
And now back to The Dan Kaplas show. Podcast, no
that's not.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
ME i wish you could have been there, line And
i'm not going to take up showtime at this, Please, No,
NO i wish you could have been there because, See
johnny's a real. COWBOY i, Mean johnny's the tough As
Tom Bray you're ever gonna. Meet and, anyway they had
this custom, made same people who Make primes, hat same
Hat prime, wears and everybody who is in that, room
(30:13):
a lot of people on the firm were. There everybody
Loves towny And. Pam the second it went on my,
head it was like. Transformative it was LIKE i was
born to wear. It so not one of these phony
urban cowboy baringstone.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Cowboy it's, like, no this is this is this is
the enner. Me did you just discover something about?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yourself did you look in the.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Mirror, well everybody just immediately, said, wow you look, different
you seem.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Different.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
YEAH i, mean, LISTEN i don't care WHAT i Look
i've been happily married thirty. Years it's about to be thirty.
ONE i don't care WHAT i look like as long
As i'm not repelling people with my, appearance you know
WHAT i.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Mean that could be bad for. Business, Sure, NO i don't.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
CARE i don't care if people, think, oh he looks
good or he looks, bad as long as they're not.
Repelled but you had to be there and you'll. See
Because i'm going to go to the car and get.
IT i forgot to bring it up BECAUSE i haven't
worn a cowboy hat in forty, years so it's not
LIKE i. Thought All i'm going up to the, studio
let me bring my cowboy. Hat But i'll get it
during the five o'clock. Break here are the order of.
Operations five o'clock. Break you'll get the hat out of the,
(31:18):
car bring it. Back kelly takes a. Photo we put
it out ON.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
X first of, all i'll get it, now.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Two out of.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Three, okay, yeah she'll get. It, No, no she can't,
see so she can't go. Anywhere, oh she can't get, Up,
Brian i'm not, wrong, okay.
Speaker 10 (31:34):
Okay therapy? Today was it like a?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Massage?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, No, no she had eye, therapy so she drops
in her.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Eyes oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Okay Ted cruz looking for some therapy After tucker.
Speaker 11 (31:49):
Curls how many people living around by the, WAY i
don't know the population at. All, NO i don't know the.
Population you don't know the population of the. Country you
see to topple and how many people living? Around nine
eight two? Million, okay, yeah how could you not know?
Speaker 8 (32:05):
That?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Well wait a second, here wait a, second does it
matter how many people lived In? Germany?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
No When hitler needed to be taken.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
Out absolutely.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Not, yeah, yeah, OKAY.
Speaker 10 (32:19):
I don't sit around memorizing population.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Tables, well it's kind of relevant because you're calling for
the overthrow of the.
Speaker 11 (32:24):
Government why is it relevant whether it's well because ninety
million or eighty million or one hundred, Million why.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Is this if you don't know anything about the. Country
he didn't, SAY i don't know anything About say.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
What's The that is so cheap On Tucker's AND i
understand a lot of good people in this audience will
disagree with man THAT i think that was so cheap
On tucker's. Point pardon you know WHAT i think is
going on here Because Tucker carlson did a lot of
good work when he was on. AIR i didn't agree
with him on, everything but he did a lot of good.
WORK i think what's going on right now is. Understandable
maybe for a guy who had that big network platform every,
(32:54):
day when all of a sudden you don't have that
network platform. Anymore that THEN i, THINK i think it's
just just human, nature, right especially for somebody who's been
in that big, spotlight to just say more and more extreme,
things to do more and more unusual, things just to
try to get. ATTENTION i thought that personally was a cheap.
Trick what would like your take on.
Speaker 10 (33:15):
It i've said We israel is leading, them but we're supporting.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Them, well you're.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Breaking news here because THE us government last night denied
The National Security council Spokesman Alex feiffer denied on behalf
Of trump that we were acting On israel's behalf.
Speaker 11 (33:29):
In any offensive. Capacity we're not bombing Than israel's bombing.
Them you just said we, were we are supporting as
you're a. Senator if you're saying The United states government
is now we're with a run right. Now people are.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Listening, SEE i don't think you said that at.
Speaker 11 (33:42):
All i've said We israel is leading, them but we're supporting.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
Them, well you're breaking news.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Here, Yeah And i'm sorry to See tucker kind of
reducing himself to this because he has done so much
good work And i'm sure he will. Again let me
get to an earlier clip.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
There, okay what's the ethnic mix Of? Ron they Are
persians and person That.
Speaker 11 (34:08):
Lishia, okay you don't know anything About, iran so, Okay
i'm not the The Tucker carlson On. Iran you're a
who's Calling you're the one that remember the one who
about the. Country, no you don't know anything about the.
Country you're the one who claims they're not trying to
Murder Donald.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
Trump i'm not saying. That who can't figure, out say
you said they're trying to Murder? Trump, yes because.
Speaker 11 (34:32):
You're not calling for military strikes against them in retaliation
and the carrying out military strikes.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Today who Said israel was right with our?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Help? Yeah So.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I'm sure at least half the audience Supports tucker in.
This and, LISTEN i understand anybody who's just very hasn't
it to have ANY us military. Involvement And i've backed
up WHY i, think if, necessary as a last, resort
THE us should be involved air only in taking out
flourdo taking out any of the deep bunker type in
(35:04):
nuclear facilities That israel is not able to reach. Itself
it is in our national security interest that the Radical
islamis mullahs who run around not have nuclear. WEAPONS i
think that's clear as day three at three seOne three
eight two five five text d an five seven seven three.
Nine so Oh Aaron lee at five thirty. Six, great
(35:27):
we'll be talking With aaron who does great work to protect.
Children about the very, important well REASONED Us Supreme court
decision today Backing tennessee's law that, says, no you're not
going to do these things to our kids In tennessee
while they're. Kids, now once they become, adults they want
to chop off body, parts they want to chemically alter
(35:47):
themselves for, life knock yourself out when you're an, adult
but you're not going to do it to our. KIDS
Us Supreme court says a state gets to make that.
Decision you're on The dankapitlis.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
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