Erin Lee, mother of a Poudre Public Schools adolescent girl who was persuaded into identifying as trans under the cover of an afterschool 'art club,' joins Ryan (filling in for Dan) to discuss the case of Chiles v. Salazar being taken up by the U.S. Supreme Court on Colorado's censorship law chilling an individual's right to freedom of speech.
Brita Horn, Rock Creek Volunteer Fire Department chief joins Ryan to offer her account of events that transpired at a Greenwood Village IHOP where fellow Colorado GOP chair candidate Darcy Schoening served her with papers for a lawsuit about her attempt to oust current chair Dave Williams.
Brita Horn, Rock Creek Volunteer Fire Department chief joins Ryan to offer her account of events that transpired at a Greenwood Village IHOP where fellow Colorado GOP chair candidate Darcy Schoening served her with papers for a lawsuit about her attempt to oust current chair Dave Williams.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's not quite April, fools, but we're getting there. If
we're not that far away. Think about it, folks, twenty
two days away. Wasn't there a policy or something that
Trump was scheduled to reveal Kelly that.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
He goes, I'm not going to do it in April. First,
I don't think people want me to be like, I'm kidding.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm not kidding. I'm going to do it April second.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Instead, didn't he say that to the State of the
Union or a couple of interviews.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Well, it wasn't in a State of the Union. It
was just a congressional address. But yes, he did indicate
that he was going to be releasing some documents.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Okay, yeah, that would be kind of counter to the
point when you want people.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
To believe it like jfk assassination documents, that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Epstein files are one, right, MLKA Jr.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Weren't we supposed to get that a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, Pam Bondi's kind of hamhandedly handled that. And then
Cash Ptel.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I want to believe in the guy, and I think
he's doing his level best, but there's so much corruption
that needs to be rooted out of every one of
those agencies, any three letter agency you can think of,
doj FBI, CIA, yep, all the way at HHS where
Robert Kennedy Junior is trying to clean things up.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
N I want three ingredients in my McDonald's fries, potatoes,
beef tallow.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And that's it. Salt, maybe a little salt. You mean
beef tallow, okay? I said, beef tallow okay.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
In the same language that you're using English.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
And by the way, which is now going to be
the official language of the United States, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Including the Gulf of America seven three nine three zero
three seven one three eight two five.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Dan is in court.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So this goes to Patty, who's sleuthing skills involved. Listening
to my program, which cheap plug you can hear even
if you're in Fort Collins or Pablo or all points
in between between the Wyoming border and the New Mexico border,
all along the front range, throughout America, heck the world.
You can listen live on the iHeart app or a
(02:24):
website or your favorite podcast platform. After the fact, you
can do that then too. But it's Ryan Schuling live.
It's hip the kids dig it, I'm told, and it's
on six point thirty k how in Denver, part of
the iHeartRadio network. Kelly sometimes a part of that show.
But today she was trying to avoid Canada geese American
(02:45):
geese a beta, okay, and that's why I one attacked
her last week.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
It was Canadian. It didn't like the deriffs. Isn't that
what happened?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It was very scary. You got nipped in the buns.
I did not get bits. You nipped in the buns, okay.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Our front Alexa actually did get fit when by geese
or goose or whatever, a goose.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
A goose, and I was by several geeses.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I came very close to being accosted. I will call
it that. I ran and just like I chilled you
on your previous show, I have not ran that fast
in a very long time.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Did you see any gastlings, the fuzzy yellow ones?
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Nope?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You didn't.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
All they were just all kind of in the parking lot,
and this one geese looked at me and I looked
at him. It's her and and he basically it could
have been, you know, because he's mom me and women,
you know, so, I mean it looked at me and
it was like, oh no, your ass is mine, and
(03:56):
it just started running and then I started running. And
then I'm like, I gotta be faster than it than
a damn goose.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I wish there was a video of this. It has
to exist somewhere.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Like you know what. But he probably actually took it
from a passing car because it's it's literally.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Right, it would have gone viral in a hurry.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Oh that's fantastic, Ryan, thank you so much for your support.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I know Dan should be joining us. I think I'm
guessing five oh six. I don't know. He's in court,
he's saying, keeps getting pushed back because this judge. Am
I talking too much inside baseball here?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
You guys want to know, right?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
The judge apparently has exhibit a tremendous latitude for Dan
to present his case and take up time, so he's
taken full advantage of it and as we know, capitalist
law doesn't lose.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
That's not a personal endorsement, that's just a fact. Jack.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Those are my observations over six plus years working with
the man. And I say the following, and I always
say it. If you're an insurance company or whoever he's
going up against in court, and you see capitalist law
in the docket, you see capitalist law in the filing,
your first move should be, Okay, what do we need
to do to settle this case because we're only going
to end up paying the maximum.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Let's make a deal. Let's cut a deal.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
We are not going to beat capitalist law. But these attorneys,
I get this sense that they don't care. You know,
they're charging their client, they're making money, and so they're
just gonna take it to the mattresses and go head
to head against Dan Caplis and loose. But they're gonna
be like the Washington Generals against the Holland low trotters.
That was a Godfather reference.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
That's right. Yeah. Have you seen.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
The television series about the making of the Godfather called
The Offer with Miles Teller.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
It's fantastic. I have not, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
But I can concur with the fact that nobody should
actually face stand in court.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, because there's definitely an FAFO factor to going head
to head against capitalist law.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
So if somebody's trying to do it, so good luck.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
What is it called.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
This is Godfather thing?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The offer Miles Teller, the offer Miles Teller is the
main character, and he was one of the executive producers
and it was one of the guys involved in the
making of The Godfather who has since passed just over
the last year, And that was actually the character that
Miles Teller was based on. And it's all the principles involved,
including Francis Ford Coppola, who's beautifully portrayed, and Mario Puzzo
who's beautifully portrayed. The guy they got to play Marlon
(06:23):
Brando was scary good.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Really.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh yeah, he totally channeled Marion to check this out because.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
You know what the iconic scene of that movie was.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
There's many. How can narrow down to one?
Speaker 5 (06:36):
No, there's one.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
If the gun take the Canoli. No, that's a good one.
Horses the horses head that's prominently featured in this series. Yes, okay,
I'll check it out.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
All right, We're gonna have some conversations for you. Coming
up Aaron Lee from the Pewter School District, who was
a parent in that district of an adolescent child who
has now just turned sixteen, but had been introduced to
the trans ideology and doctrination making her believe. This young
girl about age twelve I believe at the time that
she in fact was a male. And this was under
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the guise of it being an after school art club.
And there's a movie along those lines that Aaron has
helped produce. It's a cautionary tale. But Alliance Defending Freedom
will have one of its attorneys appearing with Dan tomorrow.
Was supposed to be today about the fact that the
Supreme Court has taken up a case hear in Colorado.
How many cases have they taken up in Colorado? And
(07:31):
kind of along these lines free speech about counselors being
forced to indoctrinate youth with the trans ideology and if
they didn't, they were going to be accused of engaging
in conversion therapy, praying the gay away, you know, shock
treatments to make gay people believe that they're straight now,
(07:52):
and that's not what this is. Don't believe what you
read in Vox a rolling Stone or any of those
far left publications. It's a it's a joke, but the
fact that Scotus is taking this up, I think it
could mean a tremendous amount for youth in our state
and not being radically indoctrinated or mutilated on the operating
table under the guise of gender affirming care.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
A couple more texts to get to here.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Patty says, you're the one that said Dan was going
to be in court today. Subject recommendation, what's the best
pizza in Denver? Dan's talked about that. I didn't catch
Dan's show when he talked about it hurt his promo.
Dion's is good and the best Italian sub around. Not
close for me a Rapa Ho and Smoky Hill, but
I go around once a month, Patty, I don't think
that's far from where Kelly and Adam reside, right us.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yes, Dion, you tried it is right.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
They actually have a special for Cherokee Trail High school students.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
How nice that they.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Could go across and do like a two dollars pizza
or something like that. But you turned me on yes
to I believe it's Via.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Via Freeland three via three one Detroit via three one three.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Oh my lord, yeah, Detroit syth.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
It is very good and it's better than Bluepan.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Wow. That's a bold take. That's a hot take.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And on that note, Kelly Kacera Ryan Shulding filling in
for Dan caplis part one of two parts of my
conversation with Aaron Lee. Next after this Dankplas Show, Ryan
Shuling filling in and now back to the Dankaplass Show podcast.
(09:32):
I probably hope to be joined in mere moments by
Aaron Lee. She is a mother in the Pooter school
district and the nightmare that she endured through her daughter's
experience with being exposed to the potential transition to the
opposite gender. And she'll join us in just a moment,
but I want to get you to the details as
(09:53):
we know them, which we're breaking earlier today. Now the
short story again, there was an art club so called
established at the middle school where Aaron Lee's daughter was attending,
and it turned out to be a haven and perhaps
a grooming platform for LGBTQ youth. Not that there's anything
(10:14):
wrong with somebody assembling, but it was under false pretenses.
One and then eventually this young girl was led down
the primrose path of being doctrinated with a trans ideology
that made her believe she was trans. And it'll lead
me to my first question for Aaron in just a moment.
But this from Alliance Defending Freedom, who have done some
yeoman's work, some miraculous.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Work on behalf of you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Might remember Jack Phillips and the Masterpiece cake Shop case,
and he has won numerous times now in court going
to the highest court, the United States Supreme Court. But
the title of this press release from ADF says Supreme
Court to decide can Colorado silence counselors who don't push
gender ideology. ADF attorneys represent counselor Kaylee Childs challenging colorad
(11:00):
a law that forces counselors to promote gender transitions to minors.
This from Washington, d C. The US Supreme Court agreed
today to hear Chiles v. Salazar, a case in which
a licensed professional counselor in Colorado wants to continue helping
clients talk about various issues without being forced to promote
(11:20):
the government's gender ideology. Alliance Defending Freedom attorneys represent counselor
Kayley Chiles, who helps clients with various issues, including gender identity.
Many of Chiles's clients come to her because they share
her Christian worldview and faith based values. These clients believe
their lives will be more fulfilling if they are aligned
with the teachings of their faith. Yet Colorado law censors
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Childs from speaking words her clients want to hear because
the government does not like the view she expresses. After
the US Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit upheld
Colorado's law, no surprise, there are a bunch of libs
on that court. Eightyf attorneys filed a petition with the
nation's High court in November, and the scope in the
Supreme Court of the United States is taking it up.
(12:04):
And one of those attorneys will join Dan tomorrow. Dan
is buried in courtroom work today, but that'll be Cody Barnett,
attorney for Alliance Defending Freedom, and he'll be on with
Dan's schedule to appear tomorrow Tuesday at four thirty six pm.
Joining us now, Aaron Lee, the aforementioned mom who has
gone through so much and she is with us now. Aarin,
(12:26):
thank you so much for your time as always.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Hi Ryan, thanks for having me absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And for our listeners once again that might need a
refresher on what happened with your daughter. Can you take
us through that time in your life and what you
learned about your daughter through that experience.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
Yeah. Well, this's fight against this egregious.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Law in Colorado is deeply personal for me.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
In twenty twenty.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
One, my twelve year old daughter was transitioned into a
boy in a secret gender and sexuality club in her
sixth grade classroom in the Pooter School district that's for
Colin's area, and they tried to keep us completely in
the dark about her mental health distress over her sex,
which they caused. This was a secret club meeting where
outside activists taught her concepts like polyamory, puberty blockers, top surgery,
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how to see a licensed therapist without telling us, which
is valid in the state of Colorado because of nineteen
eleven twenty a bill in twenty nineteen that lowered the
age of mental health care consent to twelve in the
state of Colorado. And they even taught her how to
get a gender affirming care letter from her school. So
it was the beginning of what I call the classroom
(13:37):
to clinic pipeline where they taught her that her normal
pubesset discomfort means she's actually a boy, that she should
go through medical procedures to fix herself. They really fostered
this self hatred and a twelve year old girl going
through very normal pubescent discomfort, and they tripled down on
your parents' art safe don't tell your parents about this meeting.
(14:00):
And we're just really lucky that we found out that
they were doing this with their daughter and we were
able to intervene before it got too far down the
path of medicalization. But we definitely learned about this law
the hard way. When we took her to therapists, we
were desperate to help her. The first therapist we took
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her to affirmed her confusion, which made her worse, you know, said, oh,
you think you're a transgender boy. You are, let's explore that.
So we quickly stopped those sessions. And then the second
therapist completely ignored the gender confusion. She was a Christian
and she knew that she was either forced to go
along with it or and forego her belief in clinical experience,
(14:44):
or to lose her license, and so she just ignored it.
And both of these therapists ultimately made our daughter worse.
They spiraled her into suicidal ideation.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Have you met Kaylie Chiles or do you know her
personally at all?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
I've met some therapist who worked.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
With her directly and just have the most.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
Wonderful things to say about her. I don't, but I've
connected with over a dozen therapists in the state of
Colorado who have either just completely foregone renewing their licensure
because of this law or who are blatantly circumventing it
in order to help families like mine when their kids are.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Going through this.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Aaron Lee joining US Food School District mom and as
you just heard her tell her harrowing tale of her daughter,
who we are happy to report is back to being
a happy, healthy young girl.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
Yes, she just turned sixteen weekend, and she's actually giving
her first public speech at the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network's
Summit to and Gender Affirming Care on April sixth, alongside
Miriam Grossman and Lee or Pier and Candace Jackson, the
new general counsel the DOE. So she is, she's found
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her voice and she's using it to help others.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Is she driving you around yet? At sixteen?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
She's got her permit.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
All right, Okay, we're on our way, Aaron Lee joining
us here.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I'm seeing some extremely disingenuous, dishonest framing and reporting, and
I use that word in quotes by the likes of
Rolling Stone, Vox, left wing outlets. They're getting this twisted,
and I think it, I believe, and I know it's
intentional that let's just use your daughter as an example
that there's going to be a band. They're saying on
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gay conversion therapy that just for example, your daughter was
a trans boy.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And then was converted back to being a girl.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Or they're arguing that, you know, in the olden times,
if somebody came out as gay, there was there were
these notions of pray the gay away, and you're not
really gay, We're going to use conversion therapy to convert
you back to being heterosexual. That that's not even remotely
approaching where this case is or what it represents in
terms of the truth.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
Right, No, the dishonest media is desperate. I mean, are
there argument is that such a strawman argument? The entire
basis of gender ideology is bogus, and we're starting to
poke holes in it and they're getting desperate in their messaging.
But it's the same tactic that was used against me
as a parent, that suicide myth that anyone.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Who says their trends are one hundred.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
Percent without any doubt, and if you don't allow them
to transition, they will commit suicide.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
And obviously, as I.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
Just rechanted, you know my experience, this is the opposite
that affirming this delusion or ignoring this mental health distress
that our kids are going through. That's what led my
daughter to become suicidal. She wanted someone to help her
through it.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
She went through a therapist hoping.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
That someone is going to help her make sense of
what she was going through, what these trusted adults had
done to her, and when they weren't able to help her, it.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Made her worse.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
And it's the same tactic that was used in my
lawsuit against the school districts. They blame us as parents
for not affirming our daughters and say that's why they
became suicidal, and so it's just suicide myth. That is
the basis of the argument for transitioning children, that if
you don't allow a child to transitions, they will kill themselves.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
And it's not based in any truth or science.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
There's absolutely no study to back up that claim. In fact,
Chase Strangio, who was the ACLU lawyer who argued at
the East for Medicase, which is the law in Tennessee
that bans gender proceders, he even admitted at the Supreme
Court hearing that there is no basis for the suicide
myth and that transitioning kids does not lower their suicide risk,
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it actually increases it.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I was just going to say, Aaron, there is a
lot of case evidence piling up now because we didn't
have a lot of it existing in any direction, but
that those who endure and I'll say that word, this
so called gender affirming care, they transition surgically, medically, hormone
therapysed suppression, puberty blockers, et cetera, that when they realize
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none of that leads down a path to happiness, and
then they reach that end destination and feel so helpless
in that moment and have total remorse and regret, that
suicidal ideality can actually increase in those who go through
this conversion knowing that it cannot be Undone will have
Aaron's response to my comments there in Part two, of
my conversation with her, Aaron Lee hood school parent who
(19:16):
has saved her daughter from the trans ideology continues after
this on the Dan Camplas Show. You're listening to the
Dan Kamplas Show podcast. There is a lot of case
(19:36):
evidence piling up now because we didn't have a lot
of it existing in any direction, but that those who
endure and I'll say that word, this so called gender
affirming care, they transition surgically, medically, hormone therapysed suppression, puberty blockers, etc.
That when they realize none of that leads down a
(19:57):
path to happiness, and then they reach that end destination
and feel so helpless in that moment and have total
remorse and regret. That suicidal ideality can actually increase in
those who go through this conversion knowing that it cannot
be undone right, it's irreversible.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
The damage that they're causing.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Themselves is irreversible, and they will eventually figure it out,
whether it's ten years down the road. And they go
to breastfeed their child and they can't because they've had
their breast room. They go to get pregnant and they
can't because they've sterilize themselves or they just have that,
you know, missing body parts leave a hole. But I
will also point out that social transition is incredibly damaging
for kids. Again, when we foster this idea that your trands,
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we're fostering self hatred. We're fostering this idea that something's
wrong with me. I need to fix myself. I need
to change myself instead of just helping young.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Kids accept who they are.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
And it's kind of funny, I refute the whole concept
of conversion therapy in this case because in a lot
of cases, these kids are either autistic or gay, and
really you're trying to trans the autism or the gay away.
This law is, of itself, is conversion therapy of the
underlying things that kids are going through that they're trying
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to fix by calling them trans.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
A lot of this, and I have spoken to individuals
who do identify as trans comes from a tremendous internal
self loathing and a desire to not be homosexual, and
so to overcome that, they figure and this is a stretch,
I know, but that they can transition to the opposite
sex and be a heterosexual member of that opposite sex
that they're transitioning to. It's foolhardy logic, and there's no real, proven,
(21:37):
scientific medical path that.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Will lead them there.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
This is again, it's a very dangerous time in America,
and yet America seems to be waking up to it.
Harry Entton Here CNN recent polling, and this is New
York Times. If so's polling, this isn't anything from the
right like Rasmussen or Trafalgar. On the margin of those
polled who say that trans female should not compete in
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women's sports.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
Such a clear trend among the American public. So transgender
female athletes in women's sports, only eighteen percent of the
country says that they should be in fact allowed to
participate in women's sports.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Compare this to the opposition.
Speaker 10 (22:16):
I mean, my goodness, gracious, seventy nine percent. You rarely
get seventy nine percent of the country to agree on anything,
but they do in fact agree on the idea of
opposing transgender female athletes in women's sports.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And I believe people in America are coming around on
the idea that there's anything that exists. Aaron, to your
point about gender affirming care, and Dan has made this point,
and I make it too, gender affirming care to me
would mean that your daughter would be affirmed in the
body which she was born in as a female, as
a biological female. That to affirm that gender, and that's
(22:50):
a dangerous word right there. She was born the biological
sex female, two x chromosomes. She is a female, And
rather than embrace that and go down a much easier road,
even if it was a different sexuality, lesbian, whatever, to
talk them into this self destruction, physical mutilation that never
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leads to where they're being promised they will go. I'm
just wondering when you hear that term gender affirming care,
what kind of bells and whistles go off for you.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Well, everything about the terms they use for child mutilation
or euphemisms. You know, top surgery, Well, that's a double
bilateral double mystectomy, removing the healthy breast of a child
that otherwise did not need to have them removed. So
all of the terms they use in gender affirming care
are euphemisms. But I kind of reject the term gender altogether.
I am of the belief that there are two sexes,
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zero genders, and infinite personalities.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
There's no wrong way to be.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
A boy or a girl, and it's child abuse to
convince these kids otherwise that they're in the wrong body,
or that they're doing it wrong for not being a
girl the right way. There's just no wrong way or
right way to be a boy or so I reject
the term gender altogether.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I do as well.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Aaron Lee joining us parent in the Powoter school district
and her daughter was saved from this transing of the
kid's ideology. That doesn't stop to think in question whether
or not maybe we should hold off on this, Maybe
this transitioning should be an absolute last resort and should
never be applied to kids. I don't deny that trans
individuals exist, that they have a right to life, liberty,
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pursuit of happiness to.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Live their lives is they want to live them.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But then you're crossing into territory that affects the lives
of others, and you do not have the right to
infringe upon the rights of others through your whatever you
identify as. And I think that's the clear bright line
and distinction that we're trying to make here. But Aaron,
for those out there, they might be going through something similar.
Perhaps the sibling of theirs, a daughter or son of theirs,
(24:51):
a niece or nephew of theirs is going through something
similar to what your daughter endured for you? What was
the turning point? All that you reached a point of
no return with your daughter and then she was beyond
being saved, and yet back she came. What was that
aha moment? Was there one? Was it gradual or is
there an event you can point to and go This
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was the road back.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
And where it began.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Yeah, as I said, the therapy made her worse, So
we in the at the onset, we were making it worse.
We pushed her further down into this mentality. But it
really for us is just staying grounded in truth. We
never went along with it. We never called her the
new name and pronouns. We did not allow her to
cut her hair. We cut off all the toxic influences
the school, all the toxic friendships, social media, the internet.
(25:38):
We just kept her based in reality. We got outside more,
We went on walks, We took up healthy habits and hobbies,
and spent more time together as a family. When I
counseled hundreds of parents going through this, and I always say,
first and foremost, be the lighthouse if your child is
in dark, choppy waters and there, they're you know, threatening
(25:58):
being drowned. You don't an anchor to them. You shine
your light and guide them through the darkness and get
them to the other side. And kids, they need boundaries,
and they need adults to help them make good decisions.
And that's our responsibility as parents, is to stay grounded
in truth and to be that source for them that
when they come out on the other side, they can
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say thank you, thank you for not going along with it.
My own daughter has said, you know, she doesn't think
she'd be alive today if we had instantly affirmed her
and gone along with this. She was so grateful that
we were that source of truth and her you know,
her compass to help her through the confusion. So I
caution everyone to never give an inch on speaking to
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the lives. You've just got to say based in truth
for these kids. And it's happening at the rate of
thousands and thousands of kids here in the state of
Colorado going through this confusion. Everyone knows someone who's been
affected by this ideology.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Aaron Well, I just admire your strength and resilience in
this and that you didn't back down me and you
didn't waiver in them that had to be very difficult
at times with what you were being presented with your
daughter and going through this gender confusion. Final question about
the case being at the United States Supreme Court, Childs v. Salazar.
If Kaylee Childs, an alliance defending freedom, wins this case.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
What does that mean for Colorado and the youth in it?
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Oh Man, I actually filed an amaricust brief to the
Supreme Court in support of this case being heard, because
again it's personal through my counsel, and so I'm very
invested in this case. I plan to be there in
October November when it's heard at the Supreme Court. And
I just see an absolute domino effect for these laws
that have compelled our free speech. You know ten thirty
nine that compels the teachers teachers speech to transition kids.
(27:43):
Eleven oh nine that's going through this session, that's forcing
funeral directors to lie about the biological set of dead
people and actually making it a criminal penalty. I see
a tremendous domino effect when this case is successful at
the Supreme Court, and I do think they'll prevail, We'll
see a.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Domino these other compelled speech laws falling Aaron, Where can
people follow you, maybe contribute to your cause through support
et cetera on social media or elsewhere.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Yeah, I go by Aaron for parental Rights on all
social media platforms. And there's a film that's out about
our family that's free. Anyone can watch it at Artclubmovie
dot com to better understand the issue. And I also
run Protect Kids Colorado, which we'll be running a citizens
ballad initiative this year to stop the mutilation of miners.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
In Colorado Artclubmovie dot Com. I implore everybody to watch that.
It is harrowing, but Aaron has seen her way through
the darkness and into the light with her daughter. She
has done so well in that regard. You can follow
her on exit Aaron the number four parents erin. Thank
you once again for your time. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
Thanks for having me, and.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
We'll continue this conversation with Cody Barnett from Alliance Defending Freedom.
He's an attorney there representing Chiles in Chiles v. Salazar,
and I agree with Aaron, this could have at effect
of tremendous repercussions in a positive way. And if you
have something to add to the conversation, we invite you
to call three zero, three seven, one three eight two
(29:10):
five five, or you can text at five seven seven
three nine. We'll wrap up with your text in calls.
Also still to come Britta Horne. She is running for
the Colorado Republican Party chair position. There's some bizarre circumstances
that happened between her and a fellow rival candidate. We'll
get into those details as we carry on the Dankaplas
Show without Dan with Ryan after this on this Monday
(29:33):
edition and now back to the Dankaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 11 (29:45):
Like many families, the Colorado Republican Party tends to have
its fights and meltdowns in public. Today, one faction of
the party served another faction of the party with a
lawsuit at an IHOP restaurant. As diners in Greenwood Village
enjoyed the b Backfast Faves Combo, the House Scramble, and
the Pancake of the Month, one candidate for the Colorado
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GOP chair dropped a double stack a litigation on the
plate of arrival. This stems from the Republican Civil War
over whether to replace current state Chairman Dave Williams, who
was accused of misusing party funds for his failed GOP
primary bid for Congress and for the hassle he created
for Colorado Republicans with his call to burn all Pride flags.
But back to the eye Hop home with a new
(30:27):
spicy shredded Beef Anytime Tacos where the spicy lawsuit served
this morning shreds the Republicans who tried unsuccessfully to force
out Chairman Williams. She got Darcy Shanning, current party leader
who's running for chair in next month's elections, who served
papers this morning on Britta Horn, a rival candidate for
chair who's part of the uprising.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
They were both at the I.
Speaker 11 (30:48):
Hop for interviews with the local talk radio show doing
a live broadcast from the Pancake House. Neither woman waffled
when I reached out to him today, Shanning says Horn
stole money from party donors.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Horn all did a frivolous tack.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
We'll provide a lot of fodder for the likes of
Comrade Kyle in nine News. We needed more than that
from Bretta Horne, and she joins us take us back
to that morning at the Greenwood Village Iehop.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
What happened?
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
And Ryan, thanks for having me. And like I said
in my press release, when we first heard about this lawsuit.
This is a page from the Democrats playbook, weaponizing the
legal system as President Trump political opponents did to him.
And I also said Ryan, this will not deter me
from my goal of uniting Colorado Republican Party and moving
the party past the organization to attack fellow members. So
(31:36):
I want to talk about what twenty twenty six can
look like for Republicans and not argue about twenty twenty
four and what it could have looked like. My entire
campaign is focused on the issues that we will face.
Eger if I am your next chair, and I'm happy
to join the show and discuss the bright future of
the Colorado Party. We're here with you today.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
And Britta, you have some big names lining up behind
and you.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Natalie Tennan just texted the show the founder of Never
Sir International, and we know that Heidi and all spoke
on your behalf to the log Cabin Republicans.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I think it's important, though, that we.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Illustrate the contrasts between you and Darcy Shaning, the two
prominent candidates at this moment. Are there others that have
joined yet, and if so, who are they and how
do you distinguish yourself from them.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
There's many other ones, and how I distinguish myself different
from them is that I'm doing nothing of the drama
the last few years with this party. I am bringing forward.
Oaks got on the call coming in. Sorry, I'm bringing forward.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
It's a busy day.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
I worry about that, that's no problem.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
And I'm bringing forward the three pieces that are so
important to the party and the job of the chair
in It's first too, and lect more Republicans. Ryan, we
talked about this before. I thought it was only sixteen
open seats where Democrats had no Republicans coming after them
for o their seats for House and Senate and even das.
But it's up to eighty. I forgot about a Board
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of Education that went unopposed and an automatic Democrat went in.
And another piece is also growing the party. We have
so many different groups here that are all in silos,
like I like to say, up here in the ranch silos,
and we're not talking to each other. So we need
to get our teams together and work together. Because we
were able to find up to eighty people all across
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the state that was willing to make phone calls for
four candidates when we had to do the curing the ballots,
and everybody was what's more than willing to help once
they learned the process. And that's what's not happening. There's
no foundation, there's no infrastructure with the party in the
last few years, and we need to change that. And finally,
like that call coming in, I have huge donors that
on one of fundraise that we're fundraising with and are
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pledging to be a part of this team. We definitely
day one, March thirty first first and I'm hitting the
send button to an accounting firm so we can do
an individual, independent, third party audit on the books as
far back as we need to go, because we're never
going to get the trust and honesty and integrity back
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from Colorado until we show transparency.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Bride horn dot com and you can find out more
the trust, the integrity, the transparency. That's all very important, right,
I agree, But also enthusiasm. There's a gap that appears
in enthusiasm and rallying the troops and getting people excited
to vote.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
And having them believe we can win.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Where does that start for the Republican Party in Colorado
if you're in charge.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Well, I think it starts by being part of the
team and being part of a group. This isn't a
single job, person job. This is a whole crew and
a whole group of people. We've already had successes in
spite of the party. We were able to get those
four candidates across and if you remember, it was Gave
Evans and we got Gave Trump President Trump, another congressman,
and it was also Dan rug Ryan Gonzalez and Rebecca Kelt.
(34:52):
We all work together to in spite of the party
and put together a plan to make sure that all
those ballots got and we got them across the finish line.
Everybody wants to be a part of a winning team.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yes, And Bretta, we can tell from your attitude. You
have that enthusiasm. You've done it in your life fighting fires, namely,
but also boots on the ground in other ways. In
trying to generate support for I think a positive vision
for the Republican Party.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
What is the biggest message you would give to an.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Undecided or unaffiliated voter out there that might be open
to the Republican message, but maybe it hasn't been delivered
in a way that's convinced them.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
We have to definitely work on that and work on
our communications with everybody and having it be both directions,
so cheer from everybody. I'm getting a lot of people
on social media and over on x that are saying, hey,
can we have coffee. We've never talked about this before
with Republicans, whether they're Libertarians or you know, center people
or center even left. You know, we're seeing after last
Tuesday when President trub gave his message to the country
(35:51):
and watched how the Democrats sat down with all those
people that we should be proud of and be proud
of being Americans too, We're starting to see Democrats falling
away from the Democrat Party and they're looking for a
place to go. I'm just saying, we're rolling out to
welcome Matt opening up the tent. Come on in, and
let's find things that we can get in common with
and win for Colorado.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
She is a busy woman, so we'll let her go.
On that note, you can find out more about her
campaign for Colorado State Republican Party Chairbritdahorn dot com.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Britta always thankful for your time. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Thanks Ryan.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
That'll do it for hour.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Number one in the Books of the Dan Caplis Show,
Ryan Schuling filling in with an extended version of the
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's not quite April, fools, but we're getting there. If
we're not that far away. Think about it, folks, twenty
two days away. Wasn't there a policy or something that
Trump was scheduled to reveal Kelly that.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
He goes, I'm not going to do it in April. First,
I don't think people want me to be like, I'm kidding.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm not kidding. I'm going to do it April second.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Instead, didn't he say that to the State of the
Union or a couple of interviews.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Well, it wasn't in a State of the Union. It
was just a congressional address. But yes, he did indicate
that he was going to be releasing some documents.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Okay, yeah, that would be kind of counter to the
point when you want people.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
To believe it like jfk assassination documents, that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Epstein files are one, right, MLKA Jr.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Weren't we supposed to get that a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, Pam Bondi's kind of hamhandedly handled that. And then
Cash Ptel.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I want to believe in the guy, and I think
he's doing his level best, but there's so much corruption
that needs to be rooted out of every one of
those agencies, any three letter agency you can think of,
doj FBI, CIA, yep, all the way at HHS where
Robert Kennedy Junior is trying to clean things up.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
N I want three ingredients in my McDonald's fries, potatoes,
beef tallow.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And that's it. Salt, maybe a little salt. You mean
beef tallow, okay? I said, beef tallow okay.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
In the same language that you're using English.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
And by the way, which is now going to be
the official language of the United States, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Including the Gulf of America seven three nine three zero
three seven one three eight two five.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Dan is in court.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So this goes to Patty, who's sleuthing skills involved. Listening
to my program, which cheap plug you can hear even
if you're in Fort Collins or Pablo or all points
in between between the Wyoming border and the New Mexico border,
all along the front range, throughout America, heck the world.
You can listen live on the iHeart app or a
(02:24):
website or your favorite podcast platform. After the fact, you
can do that then too. But it's Ryan Schuling live.
It's hip the kids dig it, I'm told, and it's
on six point thirty k how in Denver, part of
the iHeartRadio network. Kelly sometimes a part of that show.
But today she was trying to avoid Canada geese American
(02:45):
geese a beta, okay, and that's why I one attacked
her last week.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
It was Canadian. It didn't like the deriffs. Isn't that
what happened?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It was very scary. You got nipped in the buns.
I did not get bits. You nipped in the buns, okay.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Our front Alexa actually did get fit when by geese
or goose or whatever, a goose.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
A goose, and I was by several geeses.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I came very close to being accosted. I will call
it that. I ran and just like I chilled you
on your previous show, I have not ran that fast
in a very long time.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Did you see any gastlings, the fuzzy yellow ones?
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Nope?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You didn't.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
All they were just all kind of in the parking lot,
and this one geese looked at me and I looked
at him. It's her and and he basically it could
have been, you know, because he's mom me and women,
you know, so, I mean it looked at me and
it was like, oh no, your ass is mine, and
(03:56):
it just started running and then I started running. And
then I'm like, I gotta be faster than it than
a damn goose.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I wish there was a video of this. It has
to exist somewhere.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Like you know what. But he probably actually took it
from a passing car because it's it's literally.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Right, it would have gone viral in a hurry.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Oh that's fantastic, Ryan, thank you so much for your support.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I know Dan should be joining us. I think I'm
guessing five oh six. I don't know. He's in court,
he's saying, keeps getting pushed back because this judge. Am
I talking too much inside baseball here?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
You guys want to know, right?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
The judge apparently has exhibit a tremendous latitude for Dan
to present his case and take up time, so he's
taken full advantage of it and as we know, capitalist
law doesn't lose.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
That's not a personal endorsement, that's just a fact. Jack.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Those are my observations over six plus years working with
the man. And I say the following, and I always
say it. If you're an insurance company or whoever he's
going up against in court, and you see capitalist law
in the docket, you see capitalist law in the filing,
your first move should be, Okay, what do we need
to do to settle this case because we're only going
to end up paying the maximum.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Let's make a deal. Let's cut a deal.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
We are not going to beat capitalist law. But these attorneys,
I get this sense that they don't care. You know,
they're charging their client, they're making money, and so they're
just gonna take it to the mattresses and go head
to head against Dan Caplis and loose. But they're gonna
be like the Washington Generals against the Holland low trotters.
That was a Godfather reference.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
That's right. Yeah. Have you seen.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
The television series about the making of the Godfather called
The Offer with Miles Teller.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
It's fantastic. I have not, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
But I can concur with the fact that nobody should
actually face stand in court.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, because there's definitely an FAFO factor to going head
to head against capitalist law.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
So if somebody's trying to do it, so good luck.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
What is it called.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
This is Godfather thing?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The offer Miles Teller, the offer Miles Teller is the
main character, and he was one of the executive producers
and it was one of the guys involved in the
making of The Godfather who has since passed just over
the last year, And that was actually the character that
Miles Teller was based on. And it's all the principles involved,
including Francis Ford Coppola, who's beautifully portrayed, and Mario Puzzo
who's beautifully portrayed. The guy they got to play Marlon
(06:23):
Brando was scary good.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Really.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh yeah, he totally channeled Marion to check this out because.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
You know what the iconic scene of that movie was.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
There's many. How can narrow down to one?
Speaker 5 (06:36):
No, there's one.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
If the gun take the Canoli. No, that's a good one.
Horses the horses head that's prominently featured in this series. Yes, okay,
I'll check it out.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
All right, We're gonna have some conversations for you. Coming
up Aaron Lee from the Pewter School District, who was
a parent in that district of an adolescent child who
has now just turned sixteen, but had been introduced to
the trans ideology and doctrination making her believe. This young
girl about age twelve I believe at the time that
she in fact was a male. And this was under
(07:10):
the guise of it being an after school art club.
And there's a movie along those lines that Aaron has
helped produce. It's a cautionary tale. But Alliance Defending Freedom
will have one of its attorneys appearing with Dan tomorrow.
Was supposed to be today about the fact that the
Supreme Court has taken up a case hear in Colorado.
How many cases have they taken up in Colorado? And
(07:31):
kind of along these lines free speech about counselors being
forced to indoctrinate youth with the trans ideology and if
they didn't, they were going to be accused of engaging
in conversion therapy, praying the gay away, you know, shock
treatments to make gay people believe that they're straight now,
(07:52):
and that's not what this is. Don't believe what you
read in Vox a rolling Stone or any of those
far left publications. It's a it's a joke, but the
fact that Scotus is taking this up, I think it
could mean a tremendous amount for youth in our state
and not being radically indoctrinated or mutilated on the operating
table under the guise of gender affirming care.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
A couple more texts to get to here.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Patty says, you're the one that said Dan was going
to be in court today. Subject recommendation, what's the best
pizza in Denver? Dan's talked about that. I didn't catch
Dan's show when he talked about it hurt his promo.
Dion's is good and the best Italian sub around. Not
close for me a Rapa Ho and Smoky Hill, but
I go around once a month, Patty, I don't think
that's far from where Kelly and Adam reside, right us.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yes, Dion, you tried it is right.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
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How nice that they.
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Speaker 4 (09:10):
Wow. That's a bold take. That's a hot take.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And on that note, Kelly Kacera Ryan Shulding filling in
for Dan caplis part one of two parts of my
conversation with Aaron Lee. Next after this Dankplas Show, Ryan
Shuling filling in and now back to the Dankaplass Show podcast.
(09:32):
I probably hope to be joined in mere moments by
Aaron Lee. She is a mother in the Pooter school
district and the nightmare that she endured through her daughter's
experience with being exposed to the potential transition to the
opposite gender. And she'll join us in just a moment,
but I want to get you to the details as
(09:53):
we know them, which we're breaking earlier today. Now the
short story again, there was an art club so called
established at the middle school where Aaron Lee's daughter was attending,
and it turned out to be a haven and perhaps
a grooming platform for LGBTQ youth. Not that there's anything
(10:14):
wrong with somebody assembling, but it was under false pretenses.
One and then eventually this young girl was led down
the primrose path of being doctrinated with a trans ideology
that made her believe she was trans. And it'll lead
me to my first question for Aaron in just a moment.
But this from Alliance Defending Freedom, who have done some
yeoman's work, some miraculous.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Work on behalf of you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Might remember Jack Phillips and the Masterpiece cake Shop case,
and he has won numerous times now in court going
to the highest court, the United States Supreme Court. But
the title of this press release from ADF says Supreme
Court to decide can Colorado silence counselors who don't push
gender ideology. ADF attorneys represent counselor Kaylee Childs challenging colorad
(11:00):
a law that forces counselors to promote gender transitions to minors.
This from Washington, d C. The US Supreme Court agreed
today to hear Chiles v. Salazar, a case in which
a licensed professional counselor in Colorado wants to continue helping
clients talk about various issues without being forced to promote
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the government's gender ideology. Alliance Defending Freedom attorneys represent counselor
Kayley Chiles, who helps clients with various issues, including gender identity.
Many of Chiles's clients come to her because they share
her Christian worldview and faith based values. These clients believe
their lives will be more fulfilling if they are aligned
with the teachings of their faith. Yet Colorado law censors
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Childs from speaking words her clients want to hear because
the government does not like the view she expresses. After
the US Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit upheld
Colorado's law, no surprise, there are a bunch of libs
on that court. Eightyf attorneys filed a petition with the
nation's High court in November, and the scope in the
Supreme Court of the United States is taking it up.
(12:04):
And one of those attorneys will join Dan tomorrow. Dan
is buried in courtroom work today, but that'll be Cody Barnett,
attorney for Alliance Defending Freedom, and he'll be on with
Dan's schedule to appear tomorrow Tuesday at four thirty six pm.
Joining us now, Aaron Lee, the aforementioned mom who has
gone through so much and she is with us now. Aarin,
(12:26):
thank you so much for your time as always.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Hi Ryan, thanks for having me absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And for our listeners once again that might need a
refresher on what happened with your daughter. Can you take
us through that time in your life and what you
learned about your daughter through that experience.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
Yeah. Well, this's fight against this egregious.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Law in Colorado is deeply personal for me.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
In twenty twenty.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
One, my twelve year old daughter was transitioned into a
boy in a secret gender and sexuality club in her
sixth grade classroom in the Pooter School district that's for
Colin's area, and they tried to keep us completely in
the dark about her mental health distress over her sex,
which they caused. This was a secret club meeting where
outside activists taught her concepts like polyamory, puberty blockers, top surgery,
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how to see a licensed therapist without telling us, which
is valid in the state of Colorado because of nineteen
eleven twenty a bill in twenty nineteen that lowered the
age of mental health care consent to twelve in the
state of Colorado. And they even taught her how to
get a gender affirming care letter from her school. So
it was the beginning of what I call the classroom
(13:37):
to clinic pipeline where they taught her that her normal
pubesset discomfort means she's actually a boy, that she should
go through medical procedures to fix herself. They really fostered
this self hatred and a twelve year old girl going
through very normal pubescent discomfort, and they tripled down on
your parents' art safe don't tell your parents about this meeting.
(14:00):
And we're just really lucky that we found out that
they were doing this with their daughter and we were
able to intervene before it got too far down the
path of medicalization. But we definitely learned about this law
the hard way. When we took her to therapists, we
were desperate to help her. The first therapist we took
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her to affirmed her confusion, which made her worse, you know, said, oh,
you think you're a transgender boy. You are, let's explore that.
So we quickly stopped those sessions. And then the second
therapist completely ignored the gender confusion. She was a Christian
and she knew that she was either forced to go
along with it or and forego her belief in clinical experience,
(14:44):
or to lose her license, and so she just ignored it.
And both of these therapists ultimately made our daughter worse.
They spiraled her into suicidal ideation.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Have you met Kaylie Chiles or do you know her
personally at all?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
I've met some therapist who worked.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
With her directly and just have the most.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
Wonderful things to say about her. I don't, but I've
connected with over a dozen therapists in the state of
Colorado who have either just completely foregone renewing their licensure
because of this law or who are blatantly circumventing it
in order to help families like mine when their kids are.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Going through this.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Aaron Lee joining US Food School District mom and as
you just heard her tell her harrowing tale of her daughter,
who we are happy to report is back to being
a happy, healthy young girl.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
Yes, she just turned sixteen weekend, and she's actually giving
her first public speech at the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network's
Summit to and Gender Affirming Care on April sixth, alongside
Miriam Grossman and Lee or Pier and Candace Jackson, the
new general counsel the DOE. So she is, she's found
(15:53):
her voice and she's using it to help others.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Is she driving you around yet? At sixteen?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
She's got her permit.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
All right, Okay, we're on our way, Aaron Lee joining
us here.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I'm seeing some extremely disingenuous, dishonest framing and reporting, and
I use that word in quotes by the likes of
Rolling Stone, Vox, left wing outlets. They're getting this twisted,
and I think it, I believe, and I know it's
intentional that let's just use your daughter as an example
that there's going to be a band. They're saying on
(16:26):
gay conversion therapy that just for example, your daughter was
a trans boy.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And then was converted back to being a girl.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Or they're arguing that, you know, in the olden times,
if somebody came out as gay, there was there were
these notions of pray the gay away, and you're not
really gay, We're going to use conversion therapy to convert
you back to being heterosexual. That that's not even remotely
approaching where this case is or what it represents in
terms of the truth.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
Right, No, the dishonest media is desperate. I mean, are
there argument is that such a strawman argument? The entire
basis of gender ideology is bogus, and we're starting to
poke holes in it and they're getting desperate in their messaging.
But it's the same tactic that was used against me
as a parent, that suicide myth that anyone.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Who says their trends are one hundred.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
Percent without any doubt, and if you don't allow them
to transition, they will commit suicide.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
And obviously, as I.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
Just rechanted, you know my experience, this is the opposite
that affirming this delusion or ignoring this mental health distress
that our kids are going through. That's what led my
daughter to become suicidal. She wanted someone to help her
through it.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
She went through a therapist hoping.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
That someone is going to help her make sense of
what she was going through, what these trusted adults had
done to her, and when they weren't able to help her, it.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Made her worse.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
And it's the same tactic that was used in my
lawsuit against the school districts. They blame us as parents
for not affirming our daughters and say that's why they
became suicidal, and so it's just suicide myth. That is
the basis of the argument for transitioning children, that if
you don't allow a child to transitions, they will kill themselves.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
And it's not based in any truth or science.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
There's absolutely no study to back up that claim. In fact,
Chase Strangio, who was the ACLU lawyer who argued at
the East for Medicase, which is the law in Tennessee
that bans gender proceders, he even admitted at the Supreme
Court hearing that there is no basis for the suicide
myth and that transitioning kids does not lower their suicide risk,
(18:28):
it actually increases it.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I was just going to say, Aaron, there is a
lot of case evidence piling up now because we didn't
have a lot of it existing in any direction, but
that those who endure and I'll say that word, this
so called gender affirming care, they transition surgically, medically, hormone
therapysed suppression, puberty blockers, et cetera, that when they realize
(18:52):
none of that leads down a path to happiness, and
then they reach that end destination and feel so helpless
in that moment and have total remorse and regret, that
suicidal ideality can actually increase in those who go through
this conversion knowing that it cannot be Undone will have
Aaron's response to my comments there in Part two, of
my conversation with her, Aaron Lee hood school parent who
(19:16):
has saved her daughter from the trans ideology continues after
this on the Dan Camplas Show. You're listening to the
Dan Kamplas Show podcast. There is a lot of case
(19:36):
evidence piling up now because we didn't have a lot
of it existing in any direction, but that those who
endure and I'll say that word, this so called gender
affirming care, they transition surgically, medically, hormone therapysed suppression, puberty blockers, etc.
That when they realize none of that leads down a
(19:57):
path to happiness, and then they reach that end destination
and feel so helpless in that moment and have total
remorse and regret. That suicidal ideality can actually increase in
those who go through this conversion knowing that it cannot
be undone right, it's irreversible.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
The damage that they're causing.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Themselves is irreversible, and they will eventually figure it out,
whether it's ten years down the road. And they go
to breastfeed their child and they can't because they've had
their breast room. They go to get pregnant and they
can't because they've sterilize themselves or they just have that,
you know, missing body parts leave a hole. But I
will also point out that social transition is incredibly damaging
for kids. Again, when we foster this idea that your trands,
(20:39):
we're fostering self hatred. We're fostering this idea that something's
wrong with me. I need to fix myself. I need
to change myself instead of just helping young.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Kids accept who they are.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
And it's kind of funny, I refute the whole concept
of conversion therapy in this case because in a lot
of cases, these kids are either autistic or gay, and
really you're trying to trans the autism or the gay away.
This law is, of itself, is conversion therapy of the
underlying things that kids are going through that they're trying
(21:10):
to fix by calling them trans.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
A lot of this, and I have spoken to individuals
who do identify as trans comes from a tremendous internal
self loathing and a desire to not be homosexual, and
so to overcome that, they figure and this is a stretch,
I know, but that they can transition to the opposite
sex and be a heterosexual member of that opposite sex
that they're transitioning to. It's foolhardy logic, and there's no real, proven,
(21:37):
scientific medical path that.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Will lead them there.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
This is again, it's a very dangerous time in America,
and yet America seems to be waking up to it.
Harry Entton Here CNN recent polling, and this is New
York Times. If so's polling, this isn't anything from the
right like Rasmussen or Trafalgar. On the margin of those
polled who say that trans female should not compete in
(22:01):
women's sports.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
Such a clear trend among the American public. So transgender
female athletes in women's sports, only eighteen percent of the
country says that they should be in fact allowed to
participate in women's sports.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Compare this to the opposition.
Speaker 10 (22:16):
I mean, my goodness, gracious, seventy nine percent. You rarely
get seventy nine percent of the country to agree on anything,
but they do in fact agree on the idea of
opposing transgender female athletes in women's sports.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And I believe people in America are coming around on
the idea that there's anything that exists. Aaron, to your
point about gender affirming care, and Dan has made this point,
and I make it too, gender affirming care to me
would mean that your daughter would be affirmed in the
body which she was born in as a female, as
a biological female. That to affirm that gender, and that's
(22:50):
a dangerous word right there. She was born the biological
sex female, two x chromosomes. She is a female, And
rather than embrace that and go down a much easier road,
even if it was a different sexuality, lesbian, whatever, to
talk them into this self destruction, physical mutilation that never
(23:11):
leads to where they're being promised they will go. I'm
just wondering when you hear that term gender affirming care,
what kind of bells and whistles go off for you.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Well, everything about the terms they use for child mutilation
or euphemisms. You know, top surgery, Well, that's a double
bilateral double mystectomy, removing the healthy breast of a child
that otherwise did not need to have them removed. So
all of the terms they use in gender affirming care
are euphemisms. But I kind of reject the term gender altogether.
I am of the belief that there are two sexes,
(23:44):
zero genders, and infinite personalities.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
There's no wrong way to be.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
A boy or a girl, and it's child abuse to
convince these kids otherwise that they're in the wrong body,
or that they're doing it wrong for not being a
girl the right way. There's just no wrong way or
right way to be a boy or so I reject
the term gender altogether.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I do as well.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Aaron Lee joining us parent in the Powoter school district
and her daughter was saved from this transing of the
kid's ideology. That doesn't stop to think in question whether
or not maybe we should hold off on this, Maybe
this transitioning should be an absolute last resort and should
never be applied to kids. I don't deny that trans
individuals exist, that they have a right to life, liberty,
(24:26):
pursuit of happiness to.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Live their lives is they want to live them.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But then you're crossing into territory that affects the lives
of others, and you do not have the right to
infringe upon the rights of others through your whatever you
identify as. And I think that's the clear bright line
and distinction that we're trying to make here. But Aaron,
for those out there, they might be going through something similar.
Perhaps the sibling of theirs, a daughter or son of theirs,
(24:51):
a niece or nephew of theirs is going through something
similar to what your daughter endured for you? What was
the turning point? All that you reached a point of
no return with your daughter and then she was beyond
being saved, and yet back she came. What was that
aha moment? Was there one? Was it gradual or is
there an event you can point to and go This
(25:11):
was the road back.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
And where it began.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Yeah, as I said, the therapy made her worse, So
we in the at the onset, we were making it worse.
We pushed her further down into this mentality. But it
really for us is just staying grounded in truth. We
never went along with it. We never called her the
new name and pronouns. We did not allow her to
cut her hair. We cut off all the toxic influences
the school, all the toxic friendships, social media, the internet.
(25:38):
We just kept her based in reality. We got outside more,
We went on walks, We took up healthy habits and hobbies,
and spent more time together as a family. When I
counseled hundreds of parents going through this, and I always say,
first and foremost, be the lighthouse if your child is
in dark, choppy waters and there, they're you know, threatening
(25:58):
being drowned. You don't an anchor to them. You shine
your light and guide them through the darkness and get
them to the other side. And kids, they need boundaries,
and they need adults to help them make good decisions.
And that's our responsibility as parents, is to stay grounded
in truth and to be that source for them that
when they come out on the other side, they can
(26:20):
say thank you, thank you for not going along with it.
My own daughter has said, you know, she doesn't think
she'd be alive today if we had instantly affirmed her
and gone along with this. She was so grateful that
we were that source of truth and her you know,
her compass to help her through the confusion. So I
caution everyone to never give an inch on speaking to
(26:41):
the lives. You've just got to say based in truth
for these kids. And it's happening at the rate of
thousands and thousands of kids here in the state of
Colorado going through this confusion. Everyone knows someone who's been
affected by this ideology.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Aaron Well, I just admire your strength and resilience in
this and that you didn't back down me and you
didn't waiver in them that had to be very difficult
at times with what you were being presented with your
daughter and going through this gender confusion. Final question about
the case being at the United States Supreme Court, Childs v. Salazar.
If Kaylee Childs, an alliance defending freedom, wins this case.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
What does that mean for Colorado and the youth in it?
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Oh Man, I actually filed an amaricust brief to the
Supreme Court in support of this case being heard, because
again it's personal through my counsel, and so I'm very
invested in this case. I plan to be there in
October November when it's heard at the Supreme Court. And
I just see an absolute domino effect for these laws
that have compelled our free speech. You know ten thirty
nine that compels the teachers teachers speech to transition kids.
(27:43):
Eleven oh nine that's going through this session, that's forcing
funeral directors to lie about the biological set of dead
people and actually making it a criminal penalty. I see
a tremendous domino effect when this case is successful at
the Supreme Court, and I do think they'll prevail, We'll
see a.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Domino these other compelled speech laws falling Aaron, Where can
people follow you, maybe contribute to your cause through support
et cetera on social media or elsewhere.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Yeah, I go by Aaron for parental Rights on all
social media platforms. And there's a film that's out about
our family that's free. Anyone can watch it at Artclubmovie
dot com to better understand the issue. And I also
run Protect Kids Colorado, which we'll be running a citizens
ballad initiative this year to stop the mutilation of miners.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
In Colorado Artclubmovie dot Com. I implore everybody to watch that.
It is harrowing, but Aaron has seen her way through
the darkness and into the light with her daughter. She
has done so well in that regard. You can follow
her on exit Aaron the number four parents erin. Thank
you once again for your time. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
Thanks for having me, and.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
We'll continue this conversation with Cody Barnett from Alliance Defending Freedom.
He's an attorney there representing Chiles in Chiles v. Salazar,
and I agree with Aaron, this could have at effect
of tremendous repercussions in a positive way. And if you
have something to add to the conversation, we invite you
to call three zero, three seven, one three eight two
(29:10):
five five, or you can text at five seven seven
three nine. We'll wrap up with your text in calls.
Also still to come Britta Horne. She is running for
the Colorado Republican Party chair position. There's some bizarre circumstances
that happened between her and a fellow rival candidate. We'll
get into those details as we carry on the Dankaplas
Show without Dan with Ryan after this on this Monday
(29:33):
edition and now back to the Dankaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 11 (29:45):
Like many families, the Colorado Republican Party tends to have
its fights and meltdowns in public. Today, one faction of
the party served another faction of the party with a
lawsuit at an IHOP restaurant. As diners in Greenwood Village
enjoyed the b Backfast Faves Combo, the House Scramble, and
the Pancake of the Month, one candidate for the Colorado
(30:05):
GOP chair dropped a double stack a litigation on the
plate of arrival. This stems from the Republican Civil War
over whether to replace current state Chairman Dave Williams, who
was accused of misusing party funds for his failed GOP
primary bid for Congress and for the hassle he created
for Colorado Republicans with his call to burn all Pride flags.
But back to the eye Hop home with a new
(30:27):
spicy shredded Beef Anytime Tacos where the spicy lawsuit served
this morning shreds the Republicans who tried unsuccessfully to force
out Chairman Williams. She got Darcy Shanning, current party leader
who's running for chair in next month's elections, who served
papers this morning on Britta Horn, a rival candidate for
chair who's part of the uprising.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
They were both at the I.
Speaker 11 (30:48):
Hop for interviews with the local talk radio show doing
a live broadcast from the Pancake House. Neither woman waffled
when I reached out to him today, Shanning says Horn
stole money from party donors.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Horn all did a frivolous tack.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
We'll provide a lot of fodder for the likes of
Comrade Kyle in nine News. We needed more than that
from Bretta Horne, and she joins us take us back
to that morning at the Greenwood Village Iehop.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
What happened?
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
And Ryan, thanks for having me. And like I said
in my press release, when we first heard about this lawsuit.
This is a page from the Democrats playbook, weaponizing the
legal system as President Trump political opponents did to him.
And I also said Ryan, this will not deter me
from my goal of uniting Colorado Republican Party and moving
the party past the organization to attack fellow members. So
(31:36):
I want to talk about what twenty twenty six can
look like for Republicans and not argue about twenty twenty
four and what it could have looked like. My entire
campaign is focused on the issues that we will face.
Eger if I am your next chair, and I'm happy
to join the show and discuss the bright future of
the Colorado Party. We're here with you today.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
And Britta, you have some big names lining up behind
and you.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Natalie Tennan just texted the show the founder of Never
Sir International, and we know that Heidi and all spoke
on your behalf to the log Cabin Republicans.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I think it's important, though, that we.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Illustrate the contrasts between you and Darcy Shaning, the two
prominent candidates at this moment. Are there others that have
joined yet, and if so, who are they and how
do you distinguish yourself from them.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
There's many other ones, and how I distinguish myself different
from them is that I'm doing nothing of the drama
the last few years with this party. I am bringing forward.
Oaks got on the call coming in. Sorry, I'm bringing forward.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
It's a busy day.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
I worry about that, that's no problem.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
And I'm bringing forward the three pieces that are so
important to the party and the job of the chair
in It's first too, and lect more Republicans. Ryan, we
talked about this before. I thought it was only sixteen
open seats where Democrats had no Republicans coming after them
for o their seats for House and Senate and even das.
But it's up to eighty. I forgot about a Board
(33:02):
of Education that went unopposed and an automatic Democrat went in.
And another piece is also growing the party. We have
so many different groups here that are all in silos,
like I like to say, up here in the ranch silos,
and we're not talking to each other. So we need
to get our teams together and work together. Because we
were able to find up to eighty people all across
(33:23):
the state that was willing to make phone calls for
four candidates when we had to do the curing the ballots,
and everybody was what's more than willing to help once
they learned the process. And that's what's not happening. There's
no foundation, there's no infrastructure with the party in the
last few years, and we need to change that. And finally,
like that call coming in, I have huge donors that
on one of fundraise that we're fundraising with and are
(33:46):
pledging to be a part of this team. We definitely
day one, March thirty first first and I'm hitting the
send button to an accounting firm so we can do
an individual, independent, third party audit on the books as
far back as we need to go, because we're never
going to get the trust and honesty and integrity back
(34:06):
from Colorado until we show transparency.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Bride horn dot com and you can find out more
the trust, the integrity, the transparency. That's all very important, right,
I agree, But also enthusiasm. There's a gap that appears
in enthusiasm and rallying the troops and getting people excited
to vote.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
And having them believe we can win.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Where does that start for the Republican Party in Colorado
if you're in charge.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Well, I think it starts by being part of the
team and being part of a group. This isn't a
single job, person job. This is a whole crew and
a whole group of people. We've already had successes in
spite of the party. We were able to get those
four candidates across and if you remember, it was Gave
Evans and we got Gave Trump President Trump, another congressman,
and it was also Dan rug Ryan Gonzalez and Rebecca Kelt.
(34:52):
We all work together to in spite of the party
and put together a plan to make sure that all
those ballots got and we got them across the finish line.
Everybody wants to be a part of a winning team.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yes, And Bretta, we can tell from your attitude. You
have that enthusiasm. You've done it in your life fighting fires, namely,
but also boots on the ground in other ways. In
trying to generate support for I think a positive vision
for the Republican Party.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
What is the biggest message you would give to an.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Undecided or unaffiliated voter out there that might be open
to the Republican message, but maybe it hasn't been delivered
in a way that's convinced them.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
We have to definitely work on that and work on
our communications with everybody and having it be both directions,
so cheer from everybody. I'm getting a lot of people
on social media and over on x that are saying, hey,
can we have coffee. We've never talked about this before
with Republicans, whether they're Libertarians or you know, center people
or center even left. You know, we're seeing after last
Tuesday when President trub gave his message to the country
(35:51):
and watched how the Democrats sat down with all those
people that we should be proud of and be proud
of being Americans too, We're starting to see Democrats falling
away from the Democrat Party and they're looking for a
place to go. I'm just saying, we're rolling out to
welcome Matt opening up the tent. Come on in, and
let's find things that we can get in common with
and win for Colorado.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
She is a busy woman, so we'll let her go.
On that note, you can find out more about her
campaign for Colorado State Republican Party Chairbritdahorn dot com.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Britta always thankful for your time. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Thanks Ryan.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
That'll do it for hour.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Number one in the Books of the Dan Caplis Show,
Ryan Schuling filling in with an extended version of the
Dan Caplis pregame Show. Kelly she tags along Hour number two,
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