November 19, 2025 • 34 mins
Dan continues to parse through a despicable video posted by Rep. Jason Crow (D-CO) and other military veteran members of Congress calling on those in our armed services and intelligence agencies to disregard 'illegal' orders given to them by President Trump as commander-in-chief and Pete Hegseth as Secretary of War. Yet he and the others refuse to identify specific orders which should be disobeyed. The conclusion? Putting the crosshairs on the President for unstable military personnel to take him out.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind,
and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every
single day on your favorite podcast platform. What Jason Crowe did,
in my opinion, is the exact opposite of the American way.
He along with some others, and you'll hear who they are.
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We're about to play the tape again. Just put out
this ad. Just put out this video, and this video
calls on the members of our military and our intelligence
services not to follow President Trump's quote unlawful orders and
implicitly describe Trump as an enemy of the people and
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an enemy of the Constitution. And then Jason Crowe promises
to have their back the people who refuse to follow
Trump's quote unlawful orders, He'll have their back. But what's
missing from this ad well, any suggestion as to what
those unlawful orders and quotes are. But what are the
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unlawful orders? Jason Crowe, you're not publicly as a congressman
asking all members of the military and intelligence services not
to follow certain orders from President Trump. But you're not
telling them what those orders are. Why that that was
an intentional, deliberate decision by Jason Crow and the others
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in this video to not tell the members of the
military and the intelligence services what the allegedly unlawful orders
are intentionally then leaving it to their discretion to figure
out which orders are actually unlawful. Why do you think
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Jason Crow didn't tell the members of the military and
intelligence services what the allegedly unlawful orders are because he
can't point to any and if you accept my premise,
and if you don't tell me what the counterlogic is,
if you accept my premise, then why did he do this?
Why is he asking every member of the military and
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intelligence services not to follow President Trump's orders that are
allegedly unlawful when he will not tell them even one order,
even one unlawful order from this president. Why would he
put out a video like that, especially when Jason Crow
must know he's an intelligent man. He must know that
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in the US military, just like in the American Bar
Association or any large group of humans in America, there
are going to be some unhinged people, some unstable people
capable of violence. True of any group in America, and
he has to know as an intelligent person that putting
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out a video like this telling the members of our
military not to obey certain words of the president that
he doesn't identify, but clearly implicitly describing this president as
a threat to the American people, Jason Crow must know
that this video dramatically increases the physical danger to the
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president and to Pete Hegseth. But it's the president who's
had these two very serious assassination attempts. Now, it was
either divine intervention that saved him in that Butler field,
as I believe, or it was a one in a
trillion chance that he would just happen to turn his
head at the exact millisecond necessary to save his life.
But Jason Crow knows there were two very serious assassination attempts,
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and that you have some unhinged, dangerous people in the military.
The vast, vast majority are absolute heroes. They're brilliant, they're
emotionally mentally incredibly strong, and they're great patriots. But there
are a small number who are unhinged, and historically we've
seen domestic violence from the small number who are unhinged.
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Jason Crow knows it. So why did he do this,
Why do you think he did this? And if he
really believed the president is issuing unlawful orders that members
of the military need to disobey, why didn't he tell
the members of the military what those unlawful orders are?
Didn't give one single example of such an unlawful order.
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What's really going on here? Let's go to the phone lines.
We'll start in beautiful Colorado Springs with David around the
Dan KAPLI show Welcome. Oh can I say something David,
just as to save time with some of the haters
who may call. I preface this every time I talked
about it in the last hour by saying, Jason Crowe
served this nation with great courage, physical, mental, emotional courage
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during his Special Forces service in the military, and he
deserves all of our thanks for it. But as a
member of Congress, he has been a coward. You can
be both. He can be a this hero in the
US military, and then in some other aspect of life
you can still be a coward. And as a member
of Congress, he's been a coward. And this is a
profoundly cowardly and dangerous act that he just engaged and
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go ahead, my friend.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So let me say that I served in the military
for twenty two years and multiple locations around the world. Uh,
Jason Crowe has put a bunch of enlisted members in
jeopardy of being court martialed. As an a listed member,
you cannot disobey the orders of the superior above you,
the officer above you. Uh, just because you think it's
an illital order. What you do is you follow the
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order and then you file the complaint afterwards, an ig
complaint or complaint with you, Congressman saying I believe this
was an ilegal order, and I'm that's what I'm doing.
I'm following a complaint with you. But you know, I
agree that he's put Trump in danger, but he's put.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
A lot of listed members in danger of.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Being court martialed because you know somebody's gonna follow him.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
That is a great, great point, David, because I don't
practice that kind of loss. I don't know how the
military justice system works. But explain that to us. And again,
Jason Crowe chose not to in this act identify even
a single order from Trump that he claims to be unlawful.
But let's say that he had and somebody then said, Okay,
President Guy was just given this order, so I'm I'm
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not going to obey it. What would the process then be.
I understand you telling us that they'd be required to
then do the act and then follow the complaint. But
is there any process for refusing to do an act
because the member of the military determines it's unlawful.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
As a listed member or even a lower ranking officer,
you cannot disobey the orders of the superiors of planet
above you. In the enlisted Oath of the list month,
you physically.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Say that you will obey all orders of those.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Appointed over you, regardless of whether or not you think
they're neither or not. Okay. So, as a listed member,
if I disobeyed the orders of let's say my oh,
I see my officer in charge, I'm at risk of
being court martials.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, let me ask you this. And I'm sure David
there in theory could have been some order you would
not follow, right because it was so clearly out of bounds.
I don't think President Trump has given any legal orders,
or Crow would have said it in the video. You
would have given an example. But if you're in a
situation where you and thank you for your great twenty
two years of service. There was something you just knew
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was illegal, You knew it was wrong, you were not
willing to do it. How would you go about that?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Again? I would follow the order and follow compaint later,
Nigie complaint or maybe a letter to my congressman, because
he has the authority or she the officer point of
above you just to put me in the stockade, you know,
to have me arrested and put me, you know, in
the stockade and the courts martials. You know, we don't
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as an listed really have any kind of options of
disobeying the superiors of a planet above us. When I
went through basic training, and I'm assume that's the same
in the Marines and the Army and the Navy. That's
what you're taught. You follow orders. You might not like them,
they might seem illegal to you, but you follow them
because you don't know why the officer a pointed above you,
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or the officers a point above him gave that order.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Well, David, thank you for the calling, and thank you
so much for your service.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
My friend Dan if I may having had this conversation
with a very impassionate George Brockley, your friend and mine
Army National Guard colonel, give me the very cogent point.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
I'm going to give an example as we go to
break here.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Let's say this is directed and they include ICE agents
obviously those that are executing deportation orders apprehending criminal, illegal aliens.
Let's just say there are two officers and one decides
to follow the order, and the other one decides to
ignore the order. It's illegal, and the one who follows
the order gets killed because the one that was supposed
to follow the order chose not to didn't have his
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or her back. That's what George Brockler's talking about, and
I think that's what David's talking.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
About, and that's a superb point. What's interesting is, and
we'll play it again when we come back. I don't
think Crowe refers to ICE at all. He directs it
to members of the military and to the intelligence services.
It's a stunningly reckless danger creation. The President's already in
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so much danger, and this is before we even get
to the insurrection piece of this. I am not saying
Jason Crowe can be successfully charged with the crime of
insurrection or should be. That's not my point. I'm talking
about the fact that what he is seeking here, morally speaking,
not legal definitions, is a form of insurrection against the president.
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Do you think there are other motives on his part?
And would somebody explain to me why Crow did not
give a single example of an allegedly unlawful order issued
by Trump in a video where he's going to the
ext straordinary length of calling on military and intelligence services
to disobey the president. Why didn't he give a single example?
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You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
How would you find that.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
By my ways, shine down the Crow and the Butterfly
talking about Congressman Jason Crow doing.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You know what, I've been on air somewhere around thirty years,
maybe a little less, maybe a little more. And I'm
trying to think of how many more dangerous things I've
seen done by anybody, including war church Hill, how many
more reckless things I've seen done by people in authority?
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And I can't think of any And then you get
to why would he do it? It something that we
really need to talk about because the dangerousness is obvious.
When Jason Crow releases a video telling members of our
military and our intelligence services to disobey President Trump, to
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disobey quote, unlawful orders, and then implying the President is
a threat to the American people and to the Constitution.
Jason Crow knows he must know, right, How could he
not know? Well, hopefully you'll come on the show and
tell us whether he does or not. But let me
put it this way, any reasonably intelligent, thoughtful person in
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his shoes, I think would understand that when they release
a video like that, they are dramatically increasing the physical
danger to the president. I'm not saying that's their intent,
but they would have to understand that would be the effect.
So why does Jason Crow take this extraordinary? I can't
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think of anything like in my lifetime or in America's
lifetime of a sitting congressman releasing a public statement like
this asking members of the military to disobey the president
for quote, unlawful orders, and then not give a single
example of any order ever from President Trump that he
believes to be unlawful. Why if there was a sincere
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concern about the President issuing unlawful orders, wouldn't he give
an example of one? What do you think is really
going on here. So got a ton of text calls
hoping to get George Brockler on on this as well.
Let's go to a John in Loveland, Colorado. You're on
the Dan Kapli show.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Welcome, Hey Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Yeah, I think after all, they keep on hoping for
somebody to take on Trump and take him out, looking
for a Manchurian candidate. They thing to just be normalizing
the dis regards for the chain of commands. And it's
interesting how they don't get in trouble for this couse
of you direct violence.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Almost Yeah, he appreciate the call there, my friend. One
thing you can be sure of is that just like
James Comey when he came out with that evil eighty
six forty seven, they they would have run this by
ten different lawyers. They would have made sure that they
were just or at least just on the right side
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of the line for any kind of insurrection, prosecution, or
any other kind of legal liability. So my point isn't that.
My point isn't Jason Crow has violated the law, or
Jason Crow should be suited or anything like that, Because
there are so many flatly evil things that people can
do that don't violate any criminal statute or don't give
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rise to a civil cause of action, and this is
one of them. This is just flat evil as a
US congressman to come out and put it on video
and ask members of the military to so obey orders
from the president that are quote unlawful and not give
a single example of an unlawful order. What do you
think the real end game is there? Michael in Denver,
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you're on the Dane Caplis show.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Welcome Dan, good evening.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
I really appreciate you bringing up this topic, and I
will try to contain my absolute outrage at Jason Crow
for the kind of congressman that he is. There is
one remedy for him. The people of this state and
of his district need to remove him in the next election.
Just simply need to remove him. This was the guy
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who on January sixth said that what he was afraid
of was not the people that were in the Capitol,
it was that the capitol police might not be prepared
to pull their firearms and shoot people, and that he
would have to do that for them. That's the kind
of guy this guy is. This is also the kind
of guy who wants to talk to our military about
disobeying lawful orders of the President of the United States,
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who just two weeks ago blame the government shutdown which
did not pay our military, on the Republicans. And yet
when he had a chance to open the government up,
he said, no, not going to do it. And now
they come out with this. Martha McCallum had one of
them on our show this afternoon and asked your exact question.
They couldn't answer it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It could not be answered.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, yeah, Well that tells you everything, right, everything, And
thank you for your call, my friend. I'm not familiar
with Jason Crow's comments on January sixth. I'll go back
and look at those. But but if he could point
to a single order issued by this president that was unlawful,
it would have been in that video. Or he could
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stand up and say no, this order was unlawful. So
why do that video encouraging members of the military. And
keep in mind also intelligence services, Why did he include
intelligence services? Why do that video? If you can't point
to a single unlawful order, what's the real play there?
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What's the real end game? Now? And they know he
had Jason crownos. If he stands up and says this
order is unlawful, you don't have to obey it. At
that point we'd have to talk to a criminal attorney.
But at that point you would think there could be
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an insurrection charge if in fact that order was lawful.
So why do the video when you're unable to stand up?
Look the men and women putting their lives on the
line for this country in the eye, and at the
same time you're telling him to disobey an unlawful order
from the president.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Give him an.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Example of one. Why do the video? What do you
think he's really hoping for?
Speaker 8 (16:50):
There?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
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Dan that little blank is interfering in military affairs. He
should be prosecuted. I don't see any criminal charge that
can be brought here. But of course Crow and the
others knew, and I'll play that audio when we come
back from the next break. They knew that they'd immediately
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be viewed as insurrectionist. They knew there would be that reaction,
because it certainly feels that way. But they know they're
on the right side of the line legally. So why
do you think they did.
Speaker 9 (17:27):
It without pointing to a single unlawful order because there
hasn't been one, and if there been one, why wouldn't
they point to it?
Speaker 10 (17:38):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Imagine any democrat telling anybody to follow the law and
the constitution. Hypocrites. That's no Code Dan.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Jason Crow is on Elizabeth Vargas and is talking around
every question she asks about the video that from No
Code Dan. Think about it during the break, come back,
tell me why can't pro point to a single and
lawful order? Since he can't point to one, why do
the video? What do you think his ultimate goal with
this video is here on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I had a hard time thinking of anything more un
American I've seen from an American congressman than what Jason
Croches did. Maybe you can think of something. But for
people with Navidia in their four oh one case, here's
the headline on CNN Navidio World's most valuable company crushes
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earnings expectations. So hopefully that's good news for your four
oh one case. So many people have Navidia the chip
maker there. Of course, we've seen so many cases recently
where you've got, especially tech companies that blow past, you know,
earnings expectations and then they go down four percent. So
we'll see what happens with the video. But great to
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see that headline up there, not just for individual four
oh one case, but also for the health of the
economy because obviously an awful lot being invested right now
in AI. AI we know is going to fundamentally change
that the landscape, the employment landscape. Already we're seeing I
think jobs curtailed, may be eliminated because of even early
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AI now, and that all of us expect that within
a year two three, there will be so many jobs,
particularly white collar jobs, eliminated by AI. And then the
question becomes, are there so many developments that we can't
even see coming now? On the positive side, that it's
a net positive for your life, for the economy, that's
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our hole, correct. And that's before we even get to
the doomsday scenarios where AI gets so smart it decides
to destroy the world, or AI falling into the wrong hands,
And it's already in the wrung hands China and an
AI arms race right now with the US and every
bad actor of course, trying to develop AI for nefarious purposes.
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It's it's just one of those times we're living in
right now. But my only point on Navidia is is, yeah,
looks like they did well with this earnings reports. So
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Can you think of anything more un American from a
congressman than what we just saw from Jason crow And
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for those who are wondering what we're talking about, let
me play the sound. This is a video cro just
put out with some other elected Democrats, all who have
served this nation in very admirable ways in the armed
forces or in our intelligence services, but now calling for
troops to disobey, to disobey the president's orders if they
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are quote unlawful. But they don't point to a single
unlawful order. So what do you think they're really up to?
Speaker 11 (21:02):
I'm Senator Alissa Soockins, Senator Mark Kelly, Representative Chris Stiluzio,
Congressman Mai Goodlander, Representative Chrissy Hulahan, Congressman Jason Crowe.
Speaker 12 (21:11):
I was a captain in the United States.
Speaker 11 (21:13):
Navy, former CIA officer, former Navy, former paratrooper, and Army ranger.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Former intelligence officer, former Air Force.
Speaker 12 (21:20):
We want to speak directly to members of the military.
Speaker 11 (21:22):
And the intelligence community to take risks each day keep
Americans safe.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.
Americans trust their military, but that trust.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Is at risk.
Speaker 12 (21:33):
This administration is pitting our uniform military.
Speaker 11 (21:36):
And intelligence community professionals against American citizens like us.
Speaker 12 (21:40):
You all swore an oath.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
To protect and defend this constitution.
Speaker 11 (21:44):
Right now, the threats to our constitution aren't just coming
from abroad, but from right here at home.
Speaker 12 (21:48):
Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
You can refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
You must refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 11 (21:57):
No one has to carry out orders that violate the
law or our constitution.
Speaker 12 (22:01):
We know this is hard and that it's a difficult
time to be a public servant.
Speaker 11 (22:04):
But whether you're serving in the CIA, the Army, or Navy,
Air Force.
Speaker 12 (22:08):
Your vigilance is critical.
Speaker 11 (22:10):
And know that we have your back.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Wow, because now more than ever, the American people need you.
Speaker 11 (22:16):
We need you to stand up for our laws, for
our constitution, and who we are as Americans.
Speaker 12 (22:21):
Don't give up, don't give up, don't give up.
Speaker 11 (22:24):
Don't give up.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
The ship.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Wow, asking them to actively disobey an order from the
commander in chief or the Secretary of Defense. But they
won't give an example of even a single unlawful order
that's been given, or even a category of unlawful orders.
Why why won't they give that example? And then they
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say we have your back? How it's utter nonsense. Jason
Crow's going to pay for the legal defense of the
person who goes out and then disobeys and order from
their commander or from the commander in chief because they
determine it's unlawful. When Jason Crow can't give you a
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single example of an unlawful order. Now maybe he has
some big dark money group that's going to step in
and pay legal expenses, but he doesn't say it. They
don't describe how they're going to quote have your back.
So they ask the members of our military are best
in our bravest to take this extraordinary step. And I
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don't know what the penalties are, but I have to
imagine they're very, very long penalties. And we're blessed with
many members of the military who listen to the show.
They can tell us, but I have to imagine it's
a very long sentence for intentionally disobeying orders. So if
you do that at Jason Crow's demand, and then it's
determined it was not an unlawful order, because Jason Crow
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can't give you a single example of an unlawful order.
How much time are you facing? And then Jason Crow
going to support your family while you're in jail? Is
that what he means by we have your back? So
that's why I ask you, what is the real endgame here?
What is Jason Crow really after with this video? Never
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seen anything like it? And it has to go beyond
the naked with Madonna naked with animal's face.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
We've talked about that before, where you get some people
so desperate for relevance, so desperate to be in the press,
they're willing to do any kooky thing. This goes so
far beyond that because it's so obviously extremely dangerous. It's
what we call danger creation. That's a legal term. And
I'm not saying Crow has violated any criminal statute or
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there's any cause of action against him, but it's a
concept of danger creation. He knows this president, he knows
his president has had two very serious assassination attempts against
him and in Butler, he was either saved by divine intervention,
as I believe, or it was a one in a trillion,
one in a trillion that he turns his head at
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just that precise millisecond, so he knows the president is
already facing these severe threats, so Ron wants to kill him,
and then he comes out with the video like this.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
And for me, Dan, that's terrible what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
And Pete Hegseth too, Secretary of War, you know, putting
them in a position where their orders and the chain
of command would be dis respected, ignored. But I go
back to the point that Brockler made and some of
our callers have. This is where my concern lies, much
more so than with the president.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
The rank and file.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
This puts them in danger, This puts them in harm's way.
If some of them are following orders and some of
them are deciding in the moment, they're gonna get political
and make.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Decisions as to whether and orders they're legal or not.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And they don't have each other's back, you know this, Dan,
band of brothers, band of sisters, You're in the foxhole.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Your lives are all on the line.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
You all depend on each other because you've gotta follow
chain of command and orders you are given.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
So this shows reckless disregard, disrespect for those rank and file,
and they should know better than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, you're right about that, but I think they know
it's never going to happen. People aren't now going to
go out and disobey orders because Jason Crow said too
if that premise is correct, and what are they really
after here? What is Jason Crow's real point in doing this.
Here's George Brockler on this.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
This military functions the way it does because of trust
in the chain of command. This is what we rely
upon in peacetime, it's what we rely upon in wartime,
and that's what we rely upon right now in sort
of that gray area where we have these simmering conflicts
that exist and these near peer competitors like China right
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at our doorstep. And for these elected officials, and I.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Don't give a damn who they claim.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
They worked for, serve for what they did in uniform
to inject doubt into that chain of command and to suggest,
even subtly, if not overtly, that the orders they are
being given should be questioned by them as to their
legality and thus cause them to disobey the chain of command.
This has made us weaker.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
All true. When we come back, I'm going to replay
that sound again and then listen to how they describe
Trump and think about, as Jason crow must know, all
the unstable people out there and inner military that were
blessed vast majority. Yeah, incredibly disciplined, incredibly strong, mentally and
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physically the very best that we have. But like any
group of humans, you've got some unhinged people, and the
broader population you've got some unhinged people. So why God
your way to cut a video portraying a president who
has been subject to the serious assassinations as the way
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you're going to hear Jason Crowe portray him directly to
the members of the military. What do you think's really
going on here? You're on the Dan Caplat Show.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Never seen anything like this, not from our congressman.
Speaker 11 (28:17):
I'm Senator Alissa Hockins, Senator Mark Kelly, Representative Christ Luzio.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Congressman Maiga Lander, Representative Chrissy Hulahan, Congressman Jason Crowe.
Speaker 12 (28:26):
I was a Captain in the United States Navy, former.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
CIA officer, former Navy, former paratrooper and Army ranger.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Former intelligence officer, former Air Force.
Speaker 12 (28:34):
We want to speak directly to members of the military.
Speaker 11 (28:37):
And the intelligence community to take risks each day keep
Americans safe.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.
Americans trust their military, with that trust is at risk.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
This administration is pitting our uniform, military.
Speaker 11 (28:50):
And intelligence community professionals against American citizens.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Like us.
Speaker 12 (28:55):
You all swore an oath to protect and defend this constitution.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
Right now, threat to our constitution aren't just coming from
rod but from right here at home.
Speaker 12 (29:03):
Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 11 (29:07):
You can refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to.
Speaker 11 (29:12):
Carry out orders that violate the law or our constitution.
Speaker 12 (29:16):
We know this is hard and that it's a difficult
time to be a public servant.
Speaker 11 (29:19):
But whether you're serving in the CIA, the Army, or
Navy the Air Force.
Speaker 12 (29:23):
Your vigilance is critical. And know that we have your
back because now more.
Speaker 11 (29:28):
Than ever, the American people need you. We need you
to stand up for our laws, our constitution, and.
Speaker 12 (29:33):
Who we are as Americans. Don't give up, don't give up,
don't give up, don't give up the ship.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
So what do you think Jason Crow's really up to?
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Here?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Takes this extraordinary step of telling the members of our
military to disobey orders, orders that they consider quote unlawful,
But Jason Crow won't give them even a single example
of a quote unlawful order. And the whole implicit point
of the ad is that Trump is an enemy of
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the people. Trump is this clear and present danger to America.
That's not said verbatim, it's implicit in this ad, these
threats to the constitution from inside the administration, pitting Americans
against each other. That messaging is implicit. So why is
Crow doing this when he's unwilling to point to even
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a single order that he considers unlawful, not willing to
give the members of the military even one order that
he says is unlawful that they can go out and disobey.
What do you think he's really doing here? Let's go
up to Beautiful Boulder. We'll talk to Kevin. You're on
the Dan Kapli Show. Welcome Kevin.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Hello.
Speaker 10 (30:47):
This does not refer to that aspect of this issue.
One reason that you can go online and find cases
where people have refused orders and their decision has been upheld.
Is because at the trials of the Nazis in Nuremberg,
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they pleaded that they were only following orders. In the
US rejected that, and the court rejected it.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, why won't Jason Crowe identify a single order that
he considers to be unlawful?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Don't ask me?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, right, we're trying to ask him. We'll invite him
on for tomorrow. They've never accepted, ever, a single invitation
of the show, so I just assume he won't. And hey,
I have over and over and over over the years
praised him for his service to this country, his courageous
service in the special Forces to this nation. Physical courage,
mental courage, emotional courage all deserves praise, But that doesn't
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change the fact he's acted in a very cowardly way
as a congressman. And I don't know why some people,
actually one person hearing Mike can't understand that somebody can
be extraordinarily courageous in one phase of their life, as
Jason Crow was, and then take on a different job
where they act in a cowardly way as he's doing now.
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And it's extraordinarily cowardly. I'm trying to think of anything
I've seen in public life that's more cowardly than a
congressman telling our troops to disobey orders because they're unlawful.
But the cowardly congressman won't give a single example of
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an order that he thinks is unlawful. That's the ultimate cowardice.
You got these men and women out there serving this nation.
If they disobey an order because Jason Crow told them
to disobey unlawful orders and they're wrong about whether it
was lawful, they're going to jail, probably for a long time,
dishonorable discharge all this life for ruining stuff. So Jason Crow,
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the congressman who's using his official position to encourage them
to disobey orders, doesn't have the courage to point out
a single order that he considers to be unlawful. Yeah,
what's really going on here? Let's see, Texters, we have
some great textures that are just too long. There's just
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no way we can fit them into the flow of
a show like this when they're that long. My apologies to.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You, Dan.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Figures like Jason Crow drench the political landscape and gasoline
knowing full well there are and his followers stand ready
with matches. Dan, Yeah, what's that right? I was a
good text right there? Yeah, no, good text, good text.
But it comes back to the point that against this
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backdrop where you have a president who's been subject to
two very serious assassination attempts, he knows that Iran is
actively trying to assassinate the president. The Biden administration said
that it took divine intervention in that Butler field, or
one in a trillion chance the president would turn his
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head at that moment. Against that dangerous background, Crow releases
a video like this. Yeah, and I'm not saying that
it's his intent to encourage some unstable figure in the
armed forces to take out the president. I'm not saying
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that's his intent. What I'm saying is he's a smart
guy who has to understand when he issues a video
like this, that there are unstable people in all walks
of life, including a small percentage in our military, and
that this increases danger to the president. Absolutely reckless. Thank
you Ryan for your great work.
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind,
and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every
single day on your favorite podcast platform. What Jason Crowe did,
in my opinion, is the exact opposite of the American way.
He along with some others, and you'll hear who they are.
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We're about to play the tape again. Just put out
this ad. Just put out this video, and this video
calls on the members of our military and our intelligence
services not to follow President Trump's quote unlawful orders and
implicitly describe Trump as an enemy of the people and
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an enemy of the Constitution. And then Jason Crowe promises
to have their back the people who refuse to follow
Trump's quote unlawful orders, He'll have their back. But what's
missing from this ad well, any suggestion as to what
those unlawful orders and quotes are. But what are the
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unlawful orders? Jason Crowe, you're not publicly as a congressman
asking all members of the military and intelligence services not
to follow certain orders from President Trump. But you're not
telling them what those orders are. Why that that was
an intentional, deliberate decision by Jason Crow and the others
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in this video to not tell the members of the
military and the intelligence services what the allegedly unlawful orders
are intentionally then leaving it to their discretion to figure
out which orders are actually unlawful. Why do you think
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Jason Crow didn't tell the members of the military and
intelligence services what the allegedly unlawful orders are because he
can't point to any and if you accept my premise,
and if you don't tell me what the counterlogic is,
if you accept my premise, then why did he do this?
Why is he asking every member of the military and
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intelligence services not to follow President Trump's orders that are
allegedly unlawful when he will not tell them even one order,
even one unlawful order from this president. Why would he
put out a video like that, especially when Jason Crow
must know he's an intelligent man. He must know that
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in the US military, just like in the American Bar
Association or any large group of humans in America, there
are going to be some unhinged people, some unstable people
capable of violence. True of any group in America, and
he has to know as an intelligent person that putting
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out a video like this telling the members of our
military not to obey certain words of the president that
he doesn't identify, but clearly implicitly describing this president as
a threat to the American people, Jason Crow must know
that this video dramatically increases the physical danger to the
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president and to Pete Hegseth. But it's the president who's
had these two very serious assassination attempts. Now, it was
either divine intervention that saved him in that Butler field,
as I believe, or it was a one in a
trillion chance that he would just happen to turn his
head at the exact millisecond necessary to save his life.
But Jason Crow knows there were two very serious assassination attempts,
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and that you have some unhinged, dangerous people in the military.
The vast, vast majority are absolute heroes. They're brilliant, they're
emotionally mentally incredibly strong, and they're great patriots. But there
are a small number who are unhinged, and historically we've
seen domestic violence from the small number who are unhinged.
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Jason Crow knows it. So why did he do this,
Why do you think he did this? And if he
really believed the president is issuing unlawful orders that members
of the military need to disobey, why didn't he tell
the members of the military what those unlawful orders are?
Didn't give one single example of such an unlawful order.
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What's really going on here? Let's go to the phone lines.
We'll start in beautiful Colorado Springs with David around the
Dan KAPLI show Welcome. Oh can I say something David,
just as to save time with some of the haters
who may call. I preface this every time I talked
about it in the last hour by saying, Jason Crowe
served this nation with great courage, physical, mental, emotional courage
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during his Special Forces service in the military, and he
deserves all of our thanks for it. But as a
member of Congress, he has been a coward. You can
be both. He can be a this hero in the
US military, and then in some other aspect of life
you can still be a coward. And as a member
of Congress, he's been a coward. And this is a
profoundly cowardly and dangerous act that he just engaged and
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go ahead, my friend.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So let me say that I served in the military
for twenty two years and multiple locations around the world. Uh,
Jason Crowe has put a bunch of enlisted members in
jeopardy of being court martialed. As an a listed member,
you cannot disobey the orders of the superior above you,
the officer above you. Uh, just because you think it's
an illital order. What you do is you follow the
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order and then you file the complaint afterwards, an ig
complaint or complaint with you, Congressman saying I believe this
was an ilegal order, and I'm that's what I'm doing.
I'm following a complaint with you. But you know, I
agree that he's put Trump in danger, but he's put.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
A lot of listed members in danger of.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Being court martialed because you know somebody's gonna follow him.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
That is a great, great point, David, because I don't
practice that kind of loss. I don't know how the
military justice system works. But explain that to us. And again,
Jason Crowe chose not to in this act identify even
a single order from Trump that he claims to be unlawful.
But let's say that he had and somebody then said, Okay,
President Guy was just given this order, so I'm I'm
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not going to obey it. What would the process then be.
I understand you telling us that they'd be required to
then do the act and then follow the complaint. But
is there any process for refusing to do an act
because the member of the military determines it's unlawful.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
As a listed member or even a lower ranking officer,
you cannot disobey the orders of the superiors of planet
above you. In the enlisted Oath of the list month,
you physically.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Say that you will obey all orders of those.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Appointed over you, regardless of whether or not you think
they're neither or not. Okay. So, as a listed member,
if I disobeyed the orders of let's say my oh,
I see my officer in charge, I'm at risk of
being court martials.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, let me ask you this. And I'm sure David
there in theory could have been some order you would
not follow, right because it was so clearly out of bounds.
I don't think President Trump has given any legal orders,
or Crow would have said it in the video. You
would have given an example. But if you're in a
situation where you and thank you for your great twenty
two years of service. There was something you just knew
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was illegal, You knew it was wrong, you were not
willing to do it. How would you go about that?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Again? I would follow the order and follow compaint later,
Nigie complaint or maybe a letter to my congressman, because
he has the authority or she the officer point of
above you just to put me in the stockade, you know,
to have me arrested and put me, you know, in
the stockade and the courts martials. You know, we don't
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as an listed really have any kind of options of
disobeying the superiors of a planet above us. When I
went through basic training, and I'm assume that's the same
in the Marines and the Army and the Navy. That's
what you're taught. You follow orders. You might not like them,
they might seem illegal to you, but you follow them
because you don't know why the officer a pointed above you,
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or the officers a point above him gave that order.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Well, David, thank you for the calling, and thank you
so much for your service.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
My friend Dan if I may having had this conversation
with a very impassionate George Brockley, your friend and mine
Army National Guard colonel, give me the very cogent point.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
I'm going to give an example as we go to
break here.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Let's say this is directed and they include ICE agents
obviously those that are executing deportation orders apprehending criminal, illegal aliens.
Let's just say there are two officers and one decides
to follow the order, and the other one decides to
ignore the order. It's illegal, and the one who follows
the order gets killed because the one that was supposed
to follow the order chose not to didn't have his
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or her back. That's what George Brockler's talking about, and
I think that's what David's talking.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
About, and that's a superb point. What's interesting is, and
we'll play it again when we come back. I don't
think Crowe refers to ICE at all. He directs it
to members of the military and to the intelligence services.
It's a stunningly reckless danger creation. The President's already in
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so much danger, and this is before we even get
to the insurrection piece of this. I am not saying
Jason Crowe can be successfully charged with the crime of
insurrection or should be. That's not my point. I'm talking
about the fact that what he is seeking here, morally speaking,
not legal definitions, is a form of insurrection against the president.
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Do you think there are other motives on his part?
And would somebody explain to me why Crow did not
give a single example of an allegedly unlawful order issued
by Trump in a video where he's going to the
ext straordinary length of calling on military and intelligence services
to disobey the president. Why didn't he give a single example?
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You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
How would you find that.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
By my ways, shine down the Crow and the Butterfly
talking about Congressman Jason Crow doing.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You know what, I've been on air somewhere around thirty years,
maybe a little less, maybe a little more. And I'm
trying to think of how many more dangerous things I've
seen done by anybody, including war church Hill, how many
more reckless things I've seen done by people in authority?
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And I can't think of any And then you get
to why would he do it? It something that we
really need to talk about because the dangerousness is obvious.
When Jason Crow releases a video telling members of our
military and our intelligence services to disobey President Trump, to
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disobey quote, unlawful orders, and then implying the President is
a threat to the American people and to the Constitution.
Jason Crow knows he must know, right, How could he
not know? Well, hopefully you'll come on the show and
tell us whether he does or not. But let me
put it this way, any reasonably intelligent, thoughtful person in
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his shoes, I think would understand that when they release
a video like that, they are dramatically increasing the physical
danger to the president. I'm not saying that's their intent,
but they would have to understand that would be the effect.
So why does Jason Crow take this extraordinary? I can't
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think of anything like in my lifetime or in America's
lifetime of a sitting congressman releasing a public statement like
this asking members of the military to disobey the president
for quote, unlawful orders, and then not give a single
example of any order ever from President Trump that he
believes to be unlawful. Why if there was a sincere
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concern about the President issuing unlawful orders, wouldn't he give
an example of one? What do you think is really
going on here. So got a ton of text calls
hoping to get George Brockler on on this as well.
Let's go to a John in Loveland, Colorado. You're on
the Dan Kapli show.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Welcome, Hey Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Yeah, I think after all, they keep on hoping for
somebody to take on Trump and take him out, looking
for a Manchurian candidate. They thing to just be normalizing
the dis regards for the chain of commands. And it's
interesting how they don't get in trouble for this couse
of you direct violence.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Almost Yeah, he appreciate the call there, my friend. One
thing you can be sure of is that just like
James Comey when he came out with that evil eighty
six forty seven, they they would have run this by
ten different lawyers. They would have made sure that they
were just or at least just on the right side
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of the line for any kind of insurrection, prosecution, or
any other kind of legal liability. So my point isn't that.
My point isn't Jason Crow has violated the law, or
Jason Crow should be suited or anything like that, Because
there are so many flatly evil things that people can
do that don't violate any criminal statute or don't give
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rise to a civil cause of action, and this is
one of them. This is just flat evil as a
US congressman to come out and put it on video
and ask members of the military to so obey orders
from the president that are quote unlawful and not give
a single example of an unlawful order. What do you
think the real end game is there? Michael in Denver,
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you're on the Dane Caplis show.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Welcome Dan, good evening.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
I really appreciate you bringing up this topic, and I
will try to contain my absolute outrage at Jason Crow
for the kind of congressman that he is. There is
one remedy for him. The people of this state and
of his district need to remove him in the next election.
Just simply need to remove him. This was the guy
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who on January sixth said that what he was afraid
of was not the people that were in the Capitol,
it was that the capitol police might not be prepared
to pull their firearms and shoot people, and that he
would have to do that for them. That's the kind
of guy this guy is. This is also the kind
of guy who wants to talk to our military about
disobeying lawful orders of the President of the United States,
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who just two weeks ago blame the government shutdown which
did not pay our military, on the Republicans. And yet
when he had a chance to open the government up,
he said, no, not going to do it. And now
they come out with this. Martha McCallum had one of
them on our show this afternoon and asked your exact question.
They couldn't answer it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It could not be answered.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, yeah, Well that tells you everything, right, everything, And
thank you for your call, my friend. I'm not familiar
with Jason Crow's comments on January sixth. I'll go back
and look at those. But but if he could point
to a single order issued by this president that was unlawful,
it would have been in that video. Or he could
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stand up and say no, this order was unlawful. So
why do that video encouraging members of the military. And
keep in mind also intelligence services, Why did he include
intelligence services? Why do that video? If you can't point
to a single unlawful order, what's the real play there?
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What's the real end game? Now? And they know he
had Jason crownos. If he stands up and says this
order is unlawful, you don't have to obey it. At
that point we'd have to talk to a criminal attorney.
But at that point you would think there could be
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an insurrection charge if in fact that order was lawful.
So why do the video when you're unable to stand up?
Look the men and women putting their lives on the
line for this country in the eye, and at the
same time you're telling him to disobey an unlawful order
from the president.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Give him an.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Example of one. Why do the video? What do you
think he's really hoping for?
Speaker 8 (16:50):
There?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
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The number texts d an five seven seven three nine
Dan that little blank is interfering in military affairs. He
should be prosecuted. I don't see any criminal charge that
can be brought here. But of course Crow and the
others knew, and I'll play that audio when we come
back from the next break. They knew that they'd immediately
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be viewed as insurrectionist. They knew there would be that reaction,
because it certainly feels that way. But they know they're
on the right side of the line legally. So why
do you think they did.
Speaker 9 (17:27):
It without pointing to a single unlawful order because there
hasn't been one, and if there been one, why wouldn't
they point to it?
Speaker 10 (17:38):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Imagine any democrat telling anybody to follow the law and
the constitution. Hypocrites. That's no Code Dan.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Jason Crow is on Elizabeth Vargas and is talking around
every question she asks about the video that from No
Code Dan. Think about it during the break, come back,
tell me why can't pro point to a single and
lawful order? Since he can't point to one, why do
the video? What do you think his ultimate goal with
this video is here on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I had a hard time thinking of anything more un
American I've seen from an American congressman than what Jason
Croches did. Maybe you can think of something. But for
people with Navidia in their four oh one case, here's
the headline on CNN Navidio World's most valuable company crushes
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earnings expectations. So hopefully that's good news for your four
oh one case. So many people have Navidia the chip
maker there. Of course, we've seen so many cases recently
where you've got, especially tech companies that blow past, you know,
earnings expectations and then they go down four percent. So
we'll see what happens with the video. But great to
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see that headline up there, not just for individual four
oh one case, but also for the health of the
economy because obviously an awful lot being invested right now
in AI. AI we know is going to fundamentally change
that the landscape, the employment landscape. Already we're seeing I
think jobs curtailed, may be eliminated because of even early
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AI now, and that all of us expect that within
a year two three, there will be so many jobs,
particularly white collar jobs, eliminated by AI. And then the
question becomes, are there so many developments that we can't
even see coming now? On the positive side, that it's
a net positive for your life, for the economy, that's
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our hole, correct. And that's before we even get to
the doomsday scenarios where AI gets so smart it decides
to destroy the world, or AI falling into the wrong hands,
And it's already in the wrung hands China and an
AI arms race right now with the US and every
bad actor of course, trying to develop AI for nefarious purposes.
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It's it's just one of those times we're living in
right now. But my only point on Navidia is is, yeah,
looks like they did well with this earnings reports. So
three at three eighty seven one three eight two five
five text d an five seven seven three nine Ryan.
Can you think of anything more un American from a
congressman than what we just saw from Jason crow And
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for those who are wondering what we're talking about, let
me play the sound. This is a video cro just
put out with some other elected Democrats, all who have
served this nation in very admirable ways in the armed
forces or in our intelligence services, but now calling for
troops to disobey, to disobey the president's orders if they
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are quote unlawful. But they don't point to a single
unlawful order. So what do you think they're really up to?
Speaker 11 (21:02):
I'm Senator Alissa Soockins, Senator Mark Kelly, Representative Chris Stiluzio,
Congressman Mai Goodlander, Representative Chrissy Hulahan, Congressman Jason Crowe.
Speaker 12 (21:11):
I was a captain in the United States.
Speaker 11 (21:13):
Navy, former CIA officer, former Navy, former paratrooper, and Army ranger.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Former intelligence officer, former Air Force.
Speaker 12 (21:20):
We want to speak directly to members of the military.
Speaker 11 (21:22):
And the intelligence community to take risks each day keep
Americans safe.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.
Americans trust their military, but that trust.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Is at risk.
Speaker 12 (21:33):
This administration is pitting our uniform military.
Speaker 11 (21:36):
And intelligence community professionals against American citizens like us.
Speaker 12 (21:40):
You all swore an oath.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
To protect and defend this constitution.
Speaker 11 (21:44):
Right now, the threats to our constitution aren't just coming
from abroad, but from right here at home.
Speaker 12 (21:48):
Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
You can refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
You must refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 11 (21:57):
No one has to carry out orders that violate the
law or our constitution.
Speaker 12 (22:01):
We know this is hard and that it's a difficult
time to be a public servant.
Speaker 11 (22:04):
But whether you're serving in the CIA, the Army, or Navy,
Air Force.
Speaker 12 (22:08):
Your vigilance is critical.
Speaker 11 (22:10):
And know that we have your back.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Wow, because now more than ever, the American people need you.
Speaker 11 (22:16):
We need you to stand up for our laws, for
our constitution, and who we are as Americans.
Speaker 12 (22:21):
Don't give up, don't give up, don't give up.
Speaker 11 (22:24):
Don't give up.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
The ship.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Wow, asking them to actively disobey an order from the
commander in chief or the Secretary of Defense. But they
won't give an example of even a single unlawful order
that's been given, or even a category of unlawful orders.
Why why won't they give that example? And then they
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say we have your back? How it's utter nonsense. Jason
Crow's going to pay for the legal defense of the
person who goes out and then disobeys and order from
their commander or from the commander in chief because they
determine it's unlawful. When Jason Crow can't give you a
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single example of an unlawful order. Now maybe he has
some big dark money group that's going to step in
and pay legal expenses, but he doesn't say it. They
don't describe how they're going to quote have your back.
So they ask the members of our military are best
in our bravest to take this extraordinary step. And I
(23:31):
don't know what the penalties are, but I have to
imagine they're very, very long penalties. And we're blessed with
many members of the military who listen to the show.
They can tell us, but I have to imagine it's
a very long sentence for intentionally disobeying orders. So if
you do that at Jason Crow's demand, and then it's
determined it was not an unlawful order, because Jason Crow
(23:52):
can't give you a single example of an unlawful order.
How much time are you facing? And then Jason Crow
going to support your family while you're in jail? Is
that what he means by we have your back? So
that's why I ask you, what is the real endgame here?
What is Jason Crow really after with this video? Never
(24:14):
seen anything like it? And it has to go beyond
the naked with Madonna naked with animal's face.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
We've talked about that before, where you get some people
so desperate for relevance, so desperate to be in the press,
they're willing to do any kooky thing. This goes so
far beyond that because it's so obviously extremely dangerous. It's
what we call danger creation. That's a legal term. And
I'm not saying Crow has violated any criminal statute or
(24:41):
there's any cause of action against him, but it's a
concept of danger creation. He knows this president, he knows
his president has had two very serious assassination attempts against
him and in Butler, he was either saved by divine intervention,
as I believe, or it was a one in a trillion,
one in a trillion that he turns his head at
(25:01):
just that precise millisecond, so he knows the president is
already facing these severe threats, so Ron wants to kill him,
and then he comes out with the video like this.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
And for me, Dan, that's terrible what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
And Pete Hegseth too, Secretary of War, you know, putting
them in a position where their orders and the chain
of command would be dis respected, ignored. But I go
back to the point that Brockler made and some of
our callers have. This is where my concern lies, much
more so than with the president.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
The rank and file.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
This puts them in danger, This puts them in harm's way.
If some of them are following orders and some of
them are deciding in the moment, they're gonna get political
and make.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Decisions as to whether and orders they're legal or not.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And they don't have each other's back, you know this, Dan,
band of brothers, band of sisters, You're in the foxhole.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Your lives are all on the line.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
You all depend on each other because you've gotta follow
chain of command and orders you are given.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
So this shows reckless disregard, disrespect for those rank and file,
and they should know better than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, you're right about that, but I think they know
it's never going to happen. People aren't now going to
go out and disobey orders because Jason Crow said too
if that premise is correct, and what are they really
after here? What is Jason Crow's real point in doing this.
Here's George Brockler on this.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
This military functions the way it does because of trust
in the chain of command. This is what we rely
upon in peacetime, it's what we rely upon in wartime,
and that's what we rely upon right now in sort
of that gray area where we have these simmering conflicts
that exist and these near peer competitors like China right
(26:48):
at our doorstep. And for these elected officials, and I.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Don't give a damn who they claim.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
They worked for, serve for what they did in uniform
to inject doubt into that chain of command and to suggest,
even subtly, if not overtly, that the orders they are
being given should be questioned by them as to their
legality and thus cause them to disobey the chain of command.
This has made us weaker.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
All true. When we come back, I'm going to replay
that sound again and then listen to how they describe
Trump and think about, as Jason crow must know, all
the unstable people out there and inner military that were
blessed vast majority. Yeah, incredibly disciplined, incredibly strong, mentally and
(27:38):
physically the very best that we have. But like any
group of humans, you've got some unhinged people, and the
broader population you've got some unhinged people. So why God
your way to cut a video portraying a president who
has been subject to the serious assassinations as the way
(28:00):
you're going to hear Jason Crowe portray him directly to
the members of the military. What do you think's really
going on here? You're on the Dan Caplat Show.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Never seen anything like this, not from our congressman.
Speaker 11 (28:17):
I'm Senator Alissa Hockins, Senator Mark Kelly, Representative Christ Luzio.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Congressman Maiga Lander, Representative Chrissy Hulahan, Congressman Jason Crowe.
Speaker 12 (28:26):
I was a Captain in the United States Navy, former.
Speaker 11 (28:28):
CIA officer, former Navy, former paratrooper and Army ranger.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Former intelligence officer, former Air Force.
Speaker 12 (28:34):
We want to speak directly to members of the military.
Speaker 11 (28:37):
And the intelligence community to take risks each day keep
Americans safe.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.
Americans trust their military, with that trust is at risk.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
This administration is pitting our uniform, military.
Speaker 11 (28:50):
And intelligence community professionals against American citizens.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Like us.
Speaker 12 (28:55):
You all swore an oath to protect and defend this constitution.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
Right now, threat to our constitution aren't just coming from
rod but from right here at home.
Speaker 12 (29:03):
Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 11 (29:07):
You can refuse illegal orders.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to.
Speaker 11 (29:12):
Carry out orders that violate the law or our constitution.
Speaker 12 (29:16):
We know this is hard and that it's a difficult
time to be a public servant.
Speaker 11 (29:19):
But whether you're serving in the CIA, the Army, or
Navy the Air Force.
Speaker 12 (29:23):
Your vigilance is critical. And know that we have your
back because now more.
Speaker 11 (29:28):
Than ever, the American people need you. We need you
to stand up for our laws, our constitution, and.
Speaker 12 (29:33):
Who we are as Americans. Don't give up, don't give up,
don't give up, don't give up the ship.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
So what do you think Jason Crow's really up to?
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Here?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Takes this extraordinary step of telling the members of our
military to disobey orders, orders that they consider quote unlawful,
But Jason Crow won't give them even a single example
of a quote unlawful order. And the whole implicit point
of the ad is that Trump is an enemy of
(30:05):
the people. Trump is this clear and present danger to America.
That's not said verbatim, it's implicit in this ad, these
threats to the constitution from inside the administration, pitting Americans
against each other. That messaging is implicit. So why is
Crow doing this when he's unwilling to point to even
(30:26):
a single order that he considers unlawful, not willing to
give the members of the military even one order that
he says is unlawful that they can go out and disobey.
What do you think he's really doing here? Let's go
up to Beautiful Boulder. We'll talk to Kevin. You're on
the Dan Kapli Show. Welcome Kevin.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Hello.
Speaker 10 (30:47):
This does not refer to that aspect of this issue.
One reason that you can go online and find cases
where people have refused orders and their decision has been upheld.
Is because at the trials of the Nazis in Nuremberg,
(31:07):
they pleaded that they were only following orders. In the
US rejected that, and the court rejected it.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, why won't Jason Crowe identify a single order that
he considers to be unlawful?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Don't ask me?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, right, we're trying to ask him. We'll invite him
on for tomorrow. They've never accepted, ever, a single invitation
of the show, so I just assume he won't. And hey,
I have over and over and over over the years
praised him for his service to this country, his courageous
service in the special Forces to this nation. Physical courage,
mental courage, emotional courage all deserves praise, But that doesn't
(31:47):
change the fact he's acted in a very cowardly way
as a congressman. And I don't know why some people,
actually one person hearing Mike can't understand that somebody can
be extraordinarily courageous in one phase of their life, as
Jason Crow was, and then take on a different job
where they act in a cowardly way as he's doing now.
(32:10):
And it's extraordinarily cowardly. I'm trying to think of anything
I've seen in public life that's more cowardly than a
congressman telling our troops to disobey orders because they're unlawful.
But the cowardly congressman won't give a single example of
(32:30):
an order that he thinks is unlawful. That's the ultimate cowardice.
You got these men and women out there serving this nation.
If they disobey an order because Jason Crow told them
to disobey unlawful orders and they're wrong about whether it
was lawful, they're going to jail, probably for a long time,
dishonorable discharge all this life for ruining stuff. So Jason Crow,
(32:53):
the congressman who's using his official position to encourage them
to disobey orders, doesn't have the courage to point out
a single order that he considers to be unlawful. Yeah,
what's really going on here? Let's see, Texters, we have
some great textures that are just too long. There's just
(33:15):
no way we can fit them into the flow of
a show like this when they're that long. My apologies to.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You, Dan.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Figures like Jason Crow drench the political landscape and gasoline
knowing full well there are and his followers stand ready
with matches. Dan, Yeah, what's that right? I was a
good text right there? Yeah, no, good text, good text.
But it comes back to the point that against this
(33:43):
backdrop where you have a president who's been subject to
two very serious assassination attempts, he knows that Iran is
actively trying to assassinate the president. The Biden administration said
that it took divine intervention in that Butler field, or
one in a trillion chance the president would turn his
(34:03):
head at that moment. Against that dangerous background, Crow releases
a video like this. Yeah, and I'm not saying that
it's his intent to encourage some unstable figure in the
armed forces to take out the president. I'm not saying
(34:23):
that's his intent. What I'm saying is he's a smart
guy who has to understand when he issues a video
like this, that there are unstable people in all walks
of life, including a small percentage in our military, and
that this increases danger to the president. Absolutely reckless. Thank
you Ryan for your great work.
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