Kristi Burton-Brown dedicates a significant portion of Hour 2 to her organization's upcoming study on sanctuary laws and policies in Colorado and their impact on legal immigrants and citizens. She is the vice president of Advance Colorado.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Here on The Dankapley Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown. Welcome
to our second hour. We've been talking largely about the
Iran Israel conflicts and whether or not the US should
ken or will get involved in in what way. We've
also been talking about that big beautiful bill that continues
to hang out there, not passed quite yet, still amendments
of being offered and passed, and we'll see what form
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it eventually ends up in. But a specific portion concerning
a lot of people here in Colorado and across the
West is the sale of federal land. We talked about
this in the first hour, but we had multiple texts
give some comments, so we'll talk about a little bit
again in this segment. But basically, according to Senator Mike
Lee from Utah, also one of the western states that
would be chiefly affected by this sale if it actually happens,
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is that the sale of federal land contemplated. The big
beautiful Bill is only half a percent of the total
federal land owned. Now, I think people here in Colorado
feel a little more pain because it is specifically land
in the West. This is where the federal government owns.
Most of the land is in Western states, including home
here in Colorado. But here's a few thoughts from some Texters.
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So they said, I can't afford to pay a private
land owner thousands and thousands of dollars to hunt on
his property, and that's what will happen. Certainly a valid point.
That is, one thing you can do on some federal
land is hunt and that's certainly a very American thing
to do. Hunting fishing, something we enjoy in the outdoors,
not only here in Colorado, but really throughout the United States.
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So certainly a valid question and concern to say how
much would federal lands be affected. I have not seen
a map of exactly which a lands are considering selling.
I think that would be very useful if people were
able to see is it really I mean, is it
really going to I guess these concerns that all these
people have, is that really what we're encountering, is it
hunting and fishing land. Is it land? That is what
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I'd be concerned about that ranchers are leasing from the
federal government. If that gets turned back over to the
state or sold to a private entity, are they really
gonna be in favor of agriculture and allow that to
continue to happen. Does the sale actually hurt more people
than it supposedly helps, particularly, I think one of the
thoughts in this bill is to allow for affordable housing,
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so called affordable housing on the land. So it seems
to me like there would be nothing that's currently allowed
on the land would be allowed on it if we
turn it into affordable housing. So it is completely remaking
the use of the land. If it's land that no
one is using or allowed to be on anyway, which
is certainly the case with some federal land. Okay, maybe
that makes sense, but if it's popular hunting and fishing land,
I don't think that makes sense. But I also really
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don't think that's where they're going With a sale of
only half a percent of federal land. I don't imagine
why they would specifically pick out popular hunting and fishing
land and do that to it. But I'd love to
see a map here's another comment. The federal government has
stolen entirely too much of state owned land, and it
should be the return to the state or soul to
be used in other areas. There's absolutely no need for
the federal government to be hoarding land in Western America
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when they did not do that in Eastern America. I
think that's also a very uniquely Colorado comment. There's two
sides of it. Basically, some people in Colorado are saying,
leave us alone. We like the federal land. Why are
you taking land away from us and how we want
to use it when you aren't doing that to the
eastern United States because you don't have so much other land.
But then there's this flip side of it, where people
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are saying, you already own way too much of our
land in Western America and here in Colorado, you didn't
take that much land from people on the eastern half
of the country, so give it back to our states.
I really think both positions are valid. As I said
in the last hour, I think if it's a very
small sale for a very specific reason and to a
very specific buyer, or release back to the state, that
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might make sense. But I think for the most part,
there's other ways for the nation to save money and
to do other things contemplated. Create affordable housing. I mean,
in many ways that's a state's job, and I'm not
really convinced that it's the federal land is preventing a
state from having affordable housing. I know here in Colorado
that's really owed to policies have been passed that the legislature.
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A failure to pass construction defects reform legislation. There's you know,
cities and counties that have voted to limit growth within
their boundaries. I think there's so many more issues at
play actually here in Colorado. Inflation is crazy high in
Colorado and has been over the last few years in
comparison to other states. I think that affects a lot
of the lack of affordable housing in Colorado, rather than
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oh no, the federal government owns too much of our land.
So interesting issue. If you have thoughts, you can certainly
text in to Dan at five seven, seven three nine,
or you can call eight five five four zero five
eight two five five. I want to go ahead and
move to another issue. We've talked about Iran, We've talked
about the sale of federal lands. I want to talk
about Colorado being a sanctuary state. This is something that
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is of course deeply affecting us. We are according to
West News and World Report, we are the second most
dangerous state in the nation, moving up from last year's
report that had its number three most dangerous state in
the nation. So things are not getting better here. And
certainly no one is out there claiming that all or
most crime is being committed by illegal immigrants who are
who shouldn't be here. But the reality is that Colorado's
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sanctuary state status makes it easier for illegal immigrants who
are committee crimes to stay in our state and continue
to re offend. Because I'm going to go through some
of the sanctuary state laws we have here in Colorado
just so you can see the full scope of this
and how it really does affect the public safety here
in our state. But I think one of the best
illustrations is that the TDA gang, the Venezuelan gang that
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has been found in Aurora, found in Denver. The FBI
uncovered documentation from this gang saying that they specifically chose
Denver as their US headquarters because of sanctuary state policies.
We are a sanctuary state and Denver is a sanctuary city,
and so this horrible gang said, perfect city for us.
We're going to be welcome there, and that's why they
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made Denver their headquarters. So I mean, I mean, when
you see the response of criminal actors, human trafficking rings,
gangs and they make their home here, you have to
look at it realistically and say, what are the conditions
in our state that is drawing these kind of actors
to make their home here, make their base here. Well,
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usually it's owing to state law and or lack of
enforcement by police officers. And we know that that is
not the situation here in Colorado. It's not that law
enforcement isn't acting, it's that they're not allowed to act.
And so I'm gonna go ahead and pull up I
already have pulled up some of the sanctuary state laws
here in Colorado. Some of you know in my job,
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I'm the executive vice president at Advanced Colorado and we
put out a number of policy reports. Our next policy
report is actually going to be on the sanctuary state
status of Colorado, so you can look for that coming
out in the next week or two. One of the
reasons I think this report is so necessary that we're
talking about it today is because if you listen to
the news and you listen to Governor Jared Polus, you
hear him say things like this. This is what he
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said on nine News. He said, this narrative is fault
that Colorado is in any way, shape or form a
sanctuary state. We are not. Well, no matter how many
times the governor makes that claim, it's not going to
become factually accurate. During his nearly two terms in office,
he has signed four main laws to specifically create our
status as a sanctuary state, but many, many, many more
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companion laws that have strengthened this sanctuary state status. And
for anyone who wonders, all, well, is it just conservative
groups out there claiming we're a sanctuary state. Absolutely not.
Groups like the Lutheran Immigration Refugee Service, the Center for
Immigration Studies, these are non partisan national groups have included
Colorado in their list of sanctuary states. So this is
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just a commonly known fact that the governor would prefer
to ignore. But that doesn't make him right. And so
in addition to these main laws that made us a
sanctuary state, here are some of the ones you may
not have heard of before. Colorado has made photo IDs
easily accessible to illegal immigrants. They have illegal immigrants I
think this one is wild who plead guilty to a
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criminal offense. They are now allowed to ask for a
dismissal of the criminal charge if they weren't warned of
the implications of a guilty plea to their immigration status.
So basically, if they weren't told, hey, if you plead
guilty to a crime, you might actually end up being deported,
they can actually ask for the charge to be entirely dismissed.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Or they could have a very sympathetic da like Amy
Padden in a Raperole County or teeth preemptively go no,
whoa wait a minute, fifteen year old illegal alien who
just broadsided and killed a twenty four year old American
Colorado citizen. I'm going to reduce that charge and that
sentence to probation so that Ice doesn't find you, target you,
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deport you.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah no, And it becomes exactly that you're so right, Ryan,
It literally becomes karaz a haven for saying, let's protect
people who are here illegally instead of our own citizens.
Let's put non Americans first instead of the people that
we are voted for. Us that were actually sworn to
defend and protect. It is a wild, wild scenario out there.
There are many more laws that will go over here
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in Colorado that has created and strengthened our sanctuary state status.
I know, like Ryan said, there's so many examples of
this actually happening in reality, examples that show why we're
the number two most dangerous state in the nation according
to US News and World Report. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
You're on the Dan Kapla Show. If you have thoughts
about our sanctuary state status. Text five seven seven thirty
nine or call in eight five five four zero five
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eight two five five.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
They're the Dan Tapla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown, and
we are talking about Colorado's sanctuary state status and how
the laws that have been passed by the legislature year
after year after year since Governor Polis has been in
office have absolutely created a sanctuary state so bad in fact,
that the TDA gang from Venezuela made Denver their headquarters.
This is what the FBI found out specifically because of
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our sanctuary state and sanctuary city status. So the next
time you hear the governor saying we are absolutely not
a sanctuary state, you can know that that couldn't be
more fault. And even Kyle Clark on nine News has
said this. He said, police's absolute, unequivocal rejection of any
kind of sanctuary jurisdiction label challenges both plain English and
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common sense because Colorado does offer a level of protection
to people who are here without legal authorization, protection that
most states do not offer. I like that phrase. It
challenges both the English and common sense, and that's absolutely true.
If you look at the wording of all the multitude
of sanctuary state laws that exist here in Colorado, there's
no question that we have elevated illegal immigrants who are
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here in our state to a level, in many cases
even above citizens, and certainly above public safety. It is
our public safety that is at risk in Colorado, and
not because of the narrative that the left likes to
create of Oh my goodness, people on the right want
to act like illegal immig are bigger criminals than people
who are already here. No one's actually making that claim.
What we're saying is that there are a section of
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the illegal immigrants who do choose to commit crime. It
should be common sense and basic decency to the citizens
of your own state that you catch those people, you
arrest them, and you contact ICE so that they get
deported and don't get to reoffend and hurt our communities
and commit crimes against our people. Again basic common sense. Well,
guess what Colorado doesn't allow that.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Governor Polis loves to say, oh, no, no, no, we
do cooperate with federal agencies when it comes to crimes.
But if you listen very carefully to his words, he
specifically says with federal warrants, very important to know what
federal warrants are. Those are in the limited circumstances where ICE, Department,
Fullland Security, some other federal agency does get an order
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from a court a federal warrant that does require the
cooperation of state or local law enforcement, state agencies or
the like, you do actually have to cooperate with that.
So Governor Pulse is right that in those very limited circumstances,
and some of these involve the big crimes that are
in the news, like busts of human trafficking rings or
you know, big huge drug dealers or gang activities, sometimes
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you will get federal warrants on those and so yes,
state and local law enforcement do cooperate in those limited
circumstances because they have to. Even Colorado sanctuary state laws
acknowledge the fact that you have to in the limited
scenario of a federal warrant. But here's the catch that
Polus never admits is that when there is not a
specific warrant in place, Colorado law enforcement is actually banned
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from cooperating with ICE. They're literally banned. And the most
recent law that passed in this legislative session in twenty
twenty five, it'll get an entire step further and said
that if you are a local or state law enforcement officer,
if you are any sort of government employee, whether at
the local or state level here in Colorado, and you
choose to provide information to ICE where there is no
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current coordinated criminal investigation going on, but you decide that
you've seen enough, you've seen that there's a real public
safety risk, maybe you're dealing with a violent criminal, a
repeat felon. If you decide to go outside the bounds
of state law and go ahead and share data with
ICE or the Department Land Department of Homeland Security, anyway
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you can be personally liable in the amount of up
to fifty thousand dollars. So that is how little the
state of Colorado has chosen to value the public safety
of its citizens to say, if any police officer in
our entire state decides to step outside the bounds, take
responsibility for keeping citizens safe, and say, you know what,
I think this is a kind of scenario. We're sure
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we're not currently coordinating with ICE on this, but I
know this is an illegal immigrant, a violent criminal, a
repeat felon. I'm going to go ahead and take responsibility
for the citizens in my community. Go ahead and report
this person so they can get deported and out of
our state. You will be personally fined up to fifty
thousand dollars. It's absolutely crazy. And the governor, by the way,
signed that law this session, and after he's been on
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camera all session long saying we're not a sanctuary state,
we're not a sanctuary state, and we comply with federal warrants.
He is taking for granted that he thinks that people
of Colorado aren't going to understand what a federal warrant is.
And hey, if we cooperate with federal authorities in the
limited cases of a warrant. Oh, that must mean they
get to cooperate in any criminal instances. That is absolutely
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not true if you read the laws for yourself. There
are so many additional protections for illegal immigrants who commit
crimes in Colorado, including the one we talked about in
the last segment. If you weren't tuned in at this point,
that illegal immigrants who plead guilty to a criminal charge
are allowed to ask for dismissal of that charge if
they were not originally warned of the implications of a
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guilty plea to their immigration status. So if you commit
a crime, you can make yourself liable for deeper rotation,
even if you were here legally in the first place.
Committee a crime kind of gets you like kicked out
of the country a lot of times, especially if it's
a higher level crime. Well, if the police didn't take
it upon themselves too warn you of that something that
you should know common sense. Country is not going to
want to keep you if you commit crimes in their nation, Well,
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then they can actually ask for their guilty plea, and
in the entire charge, not just their guilty pee, the
entire charge to be dismissed. That is a specific law
in Colorado that clearly elevates the illegal immigrant criminal above
the private citizen who is just trying to stay safe. Now,
i'll tell you about a few of the other sanctuary
state laws in Colorado. You may not have heard of before.
Some of them you might have if you're paying attention
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on the legislature since twenty nineteen, because that's when this
huge batch of laws started getting passed and signed by
the governor. We also, in Colorado provide increasing taxpayer funding
for illegal immigrants health care even while citizens programs are
being cut from the state budget. We have created specifically
an immigration legal defense fund paid for by taxpayers. And
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by the way, that up to fifty thousand dollars fine.
For any police officer who takes on the responsibility for
himself to report someone to Ice. That fifty thousand dollars
he could personally be fined. That what go to the
people of Colorado. It wouldn't go to public safety efforts.
It would go to this immigration legal defense fund that
taxpayers are paying for. Right now, anyone who tries to
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protect you for an extra level here in Colorado, well,
their money is going to go to defending immigrants who
are here. And then another thing, another law that's passed.
We have specifically passed a very targeted law in twenty
twenty that bans ICE from making arrests on courthouse grounds.
So imagine that the one place where ICE would know
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we can go actually find and locate a criminal who's
supposed to be deported. They're at the courthouse today, they're
facing their trial, they're going to be charged yor not.
We could take them, arrest them and then deport them.
You're banned in Colorado. Ice is banned in Colorado from
entering courthouse grounds to arrest someone who they would want
to deport, who none of us want to be in
our state when they're committing crimes. Can't do that here.
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And that is one of the laws I think that
contributed to the situation you probably heard about in Denver
earlier this year year where a criminal who had served
his time in jail in Denver was you know, ICE
was given a ninety minute advance email to say, oh,
he's about to be released. You can come get him
if you want. Denver police officers, because of city and
state law, released him in a parking lot where ICE
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agents said had to chase him down, got assaulted, and
that's how they were able to finally get hold of
him and then deport him. These are the kind of
absolute crazy scenarios that are created by Colorado sanctuary state laws.
And we haven't even gotten into the worst versions of
the sanctuary state laws that created that status in the
first place here in Colorado. These are just some of
the companion the surrounding laws. At Advanced Colorado, where I
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work as executive vice president, we're about to release a
report on how and why Colorado is a sanctuary state
and what that means for the people of Colorado, So
keep your eye out for that in the next couple weeks.
I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're here on the Dan Kapla Show.
Call in over the break if you have thoughts eight
five to five four zero five eight two five five
or text Dan at five seven seven nine.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You're back up the Dan Caplich Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown,
and we are talking about sanctuary state status here in Colorado.
Good question from a text over the break saying, on
the sanctuary state issue, the Department of Justice needs to
arrest all politicians supporting sanctuary laws and officials for obstruction,
harboring criminals, aiding, and betting. Why can't or don't they?
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Thanks for sending in this question. That's the thing that
is often talked about, especially on the political right, like, Hey,
if sanctuary state laws are enabling criminals to be protected
in a state, why don't we just arrest the politicians
who are doing it. I'll give you my thoughts on this.
I don't think that's the solution. And here's why. I
think if as the nation, we got into the habit
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of arresting politicians when they do something that we consider
dangerous to the rest of society, uncivil, a whole lot
of things, but that are not expressly a crime. Politicians
can of course be arrested like anyone else for committing
an actual crime. But if it is in our opinion,
it is making us less safe in our opinion, it
is promoting crime. And of course i'd say that's a
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correct opinion in this scenario, and the facts prove it.
I think you just get into dangerous territory because the
other side can use it too, and I think that's
really important for people on both sides. The aisles to remember,
whenever you advocate for taking extreme action, the other side
can do it too. Once it's something that happens, it's
something that anyone can use as a tool in their toolbox.
And if you also think about what kind of countries
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just go arrest their politicians for doing something that isn't
approved of by whoever's currently in power, maybe at the
highest level, I mean those are often third world countries.
I don't think that's a path we want to go down.
And you know, I think the intention from people who
are asking this question, it's a good intention. It's like, hey,
let's keep our citizens safe and sanctuary es state laws
are asolute, horrible and ridiculous and they do endanger us all.
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But I just don't think the answer is go arrest
to the politicians who are passing it. It's not a
standard I think we want to adopt in the United States.
What I think we could do instead is things like
electing President Trump as someone who is committed to use
the DOJ and use the Department of Homeland Security and ICE,
which is underneath the Department of Hebland Security, to go
ahead and arrest people who shouldn't be in our country
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in the first place, who've committed crimes, who should be deported.
If states aren't going to take care of it, the
federal government is taking that on themselves, and it really is,
at its core, a federal duty to deport these criminals.
The duty of the state, in my view, is to
report these people to the federal government, cooperate to give
them the information they need to take the criminals out
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of the country. And that's what Colorado doesn't do. In fact,
one of the core sanctuary state laws that was passed
I think this one was passed in twenty twenty one,
actually required all local law enforcement agencies to sign an
agreement with the state that they would not use any
non publicly available personally identifying data in a state database
and share it with ICE. So what does that mean. Basically,
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police officers use a multiple state systems, but one of
them is called Colorado Drives and so this has like
your driver's license information in it and basic information that
policemen need when they're making a traffic stop, when they're
making a big arrest, like they have to be able
to identify who the suspect is and they need all
that information, Like they really couldn't do their jobs without it. Well,
what the law said is, you will lose your access
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to Colorado drives if you do not sign this agreement
that you will not share any information from Colorado Drives
with ICE. And so that basically bound the hands of
all the local law enforcement officers across the state, even
those who thought in their community it was a great
idea to go ahead and coordinate with ICE and report
to them when they found a violent criminal or repeat
felon who should have been deported. You can't report them
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to ICE since twenty twenty one in Colorado. That was
one of the core laws that made us a sanctuary
state and chose to elevate the protection of criminals over
citizens who are seeking safety and you know, a decent
life communities in our state. So you know, obviously I
think electing someone at a higher level, like President Trump,
who can actually use the power of his office to
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take care of that despite what Colorado is choosing to do,
I think that's a good choice. I think another choice
available to us in Colorado is the ballot measure process.
And we you know, we passed a couple of ballot
measures at Advanced Colorado last year. The most popular citizen
initiated one on the ballot in twenty twenty four was
one of ours, the Truth and Sentencing Measure. We are
taking another sanctuary state measure anti sanctuary state, obviously through
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the title board process right now, that would require law
enforcement officers to give information to the Department of Homeland
Security when they're dealing with repeat felons and violent criminals,
because that is something that just at its core, is
unbelievable to most citizens in Colorado that our local law
enforcement aren't even allowed to report people like that to
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the Department of Homeland Security. So we're at one of
the states in the nation that where citizens can actually
get something like that on the ballot and change laws
that the legislature is unwilling to do. We can take
it into our own hands. So I think that is
the better kind of action that is available to us
in Colorado that we should definitely take into our own
hands as citizens and go ahead and do it, because
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you know, if we don't, we're going to continue to
go down the line of states like New York, where
the governor recently announced that New York is going to
provide an additional fifty million taxpayer dollars to provide legal
services for illegal aliens. I think a lot of these
these liberal governors are seeing it as a battle that's
set up between them and President Trump, instead of seeing
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that their real duty is to their citizens of their
states and keeping their citizens state safe. It should be
a battle between criminals in the state and citizens who
want to live in a safe community. And instead of
looking at on the ground with the people that they
deal with every day, the people that deserve that commitment
to safety from their elected officials. Instead, they really are
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seeing it as some big battle between Trump and themselves,
and you know, which of them is going to rise
to the top of the food chain, so to speak
in the Democrat Party so that they, you know, maybe
are eligible for, uh, I don't know, running for president
in twenty twenty eight. So it's just really unfortunate citizens
are getting ignored to that level. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
You're here in the dan Kapla show. I'm gonna go ahead
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and take a caller. You also can call in eight
five five four zero five eight two five five or
text your thoughts to five seven seven three nine. Kevin
from Boulder, Welcome to the dan Kapla show.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, changing the subject, Okay, let's do it. I thought
by now Trump, although he may not even know that,
he would make them stop spraying the chim trails that
I first noticed thirty years ago in Arizona. But they spray.
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It's nationwide, maybe even worldwide, And a lot of people
claim that it's just a conspiracy theory, but I can
prove that it's not. If you type in CAM trail
patents into the search bar, it'll go right to the
US patent website for tim trail making equipment and what
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it's used for.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, you know, I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
I am almost daily. You're in South Colorado, and you
know people have had them tested. They have arsenic, lead, mercury.
They're poisoning us with these sprays, and they get in
the food and the water, and I don't know why
nobody's done anything about it yet.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well, you know, Kevin, I think you raise a good question,
and without a doubt, wherever it's coming from, there are
a whole lot of toxins and pollutants and chemicals all
over that we really do need to do something about.
And I would I would assume that RFK JUNR is
probably going to be the one to spearhead those kind
of things and try and push for change in the
Trump administration.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
If you got really good binoculars or a telescope, yeah,
you can tell looking at the jets that spray out
these camtrails they're not contrails, because contrails disappear after a
few seconds. These cam trails anywhere they're sprayed, they don't disappear.
They get wider and wider and wider, and they last
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for hours and they blank out the sky with what
people think are clouds, but it's really it's not clouds.
It's a toxic waste that they're spraying, and you can
see with a telescope or binoculars that they're coming out
a part of the plane that does not emit contrails.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, and you know, Kevin, that's not something I've personally
looked into, but I have certainly heard that a lot
of people are really concerned about it. And I do
think that having RFK Junior in the position he's in
and some of the people below him are going to
promote a lot of the removals of toxins, pollutants, chemicals.
We'll see if they get to the ones you're talking about,
but I do have to take a break now, so Kevin,
thank you for calling in. Bring that to everyone's attention
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and feed your cats some dinner. Great to have you
on the Dan Kapla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You
can call in over the break eight five five four
zero five eight two five five or text your thoughts
to five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
You're back of the Dan Taplat Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
That song is a great way to wrap up our
sanctuary state discussion here in Colorado, one of the worst
sanctuary states in the nation. There are a couple states
out there who do have worse laws than we do,
but we are wrecking them up by passing more and
more every session, including this most recent session. I do
want to hit real quick before we go for the
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nights and leave you to your hopefully wonderful weekend. An
issue that may possibly create a special session here in Colorado.
A lot of people in Colorado, including the governor and legislators,
are looking at what the federal garver is going to
do when it comes to Medicaid cuts. Well that's at
least how they phrase it Medicaid cuts. What really is
happening is at the federal level, they are looking at
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whether or not work eligibility requirements for Medicaid should be changed.
Like for example, when most people think of Medicaid, they
think of a either old people who need their health
care paid for. That is Medicare, actually not Medicaid, and
no one's talking about cutting Medicare, but Medicaid. If people
don't think about old people, then they think about like
pregnant women and young children who are from very, very
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poor homes, These vulnerable individuals who, yes, society should take
care of in many ways and fund their healthcare. That's
what people think of. But that is not whatsoever the
entire population that is currently on Medicaid, especially not in
a state like Colorado. We have expanded Medicaid eligibility in
Colorado to such a level that an incredibly high percentage
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of our population is actually on Medicaid, and the federal
government is thinking of changing work eligibility requirements, and some
of those requirements would be pas on down to the state.
I mean, the state can do its own funding of healthcare,
but can't get federal dollars if they don't comply with
the federal government's eligibility requirements. And basically, how many single,
healthy individuals who could go get a job if they
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wanted to, should be on Medicaid. Most people would probably
say not any If you're single, you're able bodied, you're
able to work, and yet many of them are on
Medicaid here in Colorado. I think it's worth going to
a flashback of President Clinton. So this used to be
the position of the Democrat Party on welfare in general,
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which certainly also applies to Medicaid. This is, you know,
a common sense position a lot of people on the
right would have, but we forget that the left used
to have this position.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Due nearly thirty years ago, Robert Kennedy said, work is
the meaning of what this country is all about. We
need it as individuals, we need to sense it in
our fellow citizens, and we need it as a society
and as a people. He was right then, and it's
right now. From now on, our nation's answer to this
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great social challenge will no longer be an never ending
cycle of welfare. It will be the dignity, the power,
and the ethic of work. Today we are taking an
historic chance to make welfare what it was meant to be,
a second chance, not a way of life.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And this is from when President Clinton was announcing his
welfare to work program. He also went on to say
that it is clearly better to go to work, of course,
and we're talking about people who can, people who are
hanging on to medicaid when that isn't something that they
actually need, it's something that they like and something that
they want. I mean, in many cases, who wouldn't want
to be paid for if you have gotten them for
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a long time and want to keep getting them. But
it's really not fair to the rest of society who
then the state has to make budget cuts after budget
cuts after budget cuts, when they've expanded medicaid to such
a high level that way too many people who certainly
shouldn't be eligible and could work are on it. But
going back to another flashback, here's Vice President Al Gore
and Senator Joe Biden at the time, Senator Biden also
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talking about work requirements.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
For too many. Welfare has been a way of life
for too long. It has condemned too many on welfare
to a lifetime at the margins of our society Today
we start to change all that anyone.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
Who wants to receive welfare must sign an individual responsibility
contract so that they're forced to agree upfront to the
conditions placed on receiving the benefit, and so that they
will have a plan from day one on how to
get themselves off of welfare. Put them to work and
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make them want to go to work, and make it
reasonable for them to go to work. Be mandatory work
requirement for anyone receiving welfare.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So if you start hearing news about a special session
in Colorado because of all the Medicaid cuts happening at
the federal level, and by the way, none of these
have been passed yet, they're still negotiating through the so
called Big Beautiful Bill to figure out exactly what kind
of cuts might be made. Number one. Remember it's not
actually cuts, it is work eligibility requirement changes. Number two.
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Remember that most Democrats not too long ago actually agreed
with these kind of mandatory work requirements and agreed that
there should be a limited eligibility for all welfare programs,
including Medicaid, and that we shouldn't just be expanding the
pool and adding more and more and more people opening
it up. Well, you can. You know, these people qualify,
and these people qualify until almost all of society qualifies.
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That's not what these programs are designed to do. They're
literally designed to help the most vulnerable among us, people
who may be in a temporary situation where they do
need help from their fellow citizens through taxpayer funded programs
like Medicaid. This is not supposed to be a permanent
crutch for a large portion of society. And that used
to be a commonly held belief, really an American viewpoint
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rather than a conservative Republican viewpoint, and I think those
are that's worth remembering, whether you're having conversations about the
federal bill or whether you do hear talks of a
potential special session here in Colorado. Those are the real facts,
that's the real situation on the ground. It's not a cut,
it's a change to work eligibility requirement. And let's go
back to the American viewpoint that we should expect able
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bodied people to go to work. Is a very different
conversation about whether or not the different cliffs that exist
in various versions of welfare are actually fair, whether or
not they really work for people, or whether they disincentivize
people from getting married, from having a job, from having kids,
from doing all these different things. I think there's a
lot of welfare reform that actually should happen. Paul Ryan
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had a lot of good ideas about it that were
never fully implemented. But I think that's a different conversation
than narrowing in on Medicaid work eligibility specifically and saying
let's take the steps we can take right now and
narrow in on people who really need to help, not
people who just want to say they do it. Doesn't
make it fair to the rest of taxpayers who work
hard every single day. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You've been
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on the Dan Kaplis Show. Thanks for joining me and
Ryan and Kelly. Great show today. Hope you get out
there and enjoy your weekend and just don't burn it's
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in a pool, stay inside, turn on your ac do
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Here on The Dankapley Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown. Welcome
to our second hour. We've been talking largely about the
Iran Israel conflicts and whether or not the US should
ken or will get involved in in what way. We've
also been talking about that big beautiful bill that continues
to hang out there, not passed quite yet, still amendments
of being offered and passed, and we'll see what form
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it eventually ends up in. But a specific portion concerning
a lot of people here in Colorado and across the
West is the sale of federal land. We talked about
this in the first hour, but we had multiple texts
give some comments, so we'll talk about a little bit
again in this segment. But basically, according to Senator Mike
Lee from Utah, also one of the western states that
would be chiefly affected by this sale if it actually happens,
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is that the sale of federal land contemplated. The big
beautiful Bill is only half a percent of the total
federal land owned. Now, I think people here in Colorado
feel a little more pain because it is specifically land
in the West. This is where the federal government owns.
Most of the land is in Western states, including home
here in Colorado. But here's a few thoughts from some Texters.
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So they said, I can't afford to pay a private
land owner thousands and thousands of dollars to hunt on
his property, and that's what will happen. Certainly a valid point.
That is, one thing you can do on some federal
land is hunt and that's certainly a very American thing
to do. Hunting fishing, something we enjoy in the outdoors,
not only here in Colorado, but really throughout the United States.
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So certainly a valid question and concern to say how
much would federal lands be affected. I have not seen
a map of exactly which a lands are considering selling.
I think that would be very useful if people were
able to see is it really I mean, is it
really going to I guess these concerns that all these
people have, is that really what we're encountering, is it
hunting and fishing land. Is it land? That is what
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I'd be concerned about that ranchers are leasing from the
federal government. If that gets turned back over to the
state or sold to a private entity, are they really
gonna be in favor of agriculture and allow that to
continue to happen. Does the sale actually hurt more people
than it supposedly helps, particularly, I think one of the
thoughts in this bill is to allow for affordable housing,
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so called affordable housing on the land. So it seems
to me like there would be nothing that's currently allowed
on the land would be allowed on it if we
turn it into affordable housing. So it is completely remaking
the use of the land. If it's land that no
one is using or allowed to be on anyway, which
is certainly the case with some federal land. Okay, maybe
that makes sense, but if it's popular hunting and fishing land,
I don't think that makes sense. But I also really
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don't think that's where they're going With a sale of
only half a percent of federal land. I don't imagine
why they would specifically pick out popular hunting and fishing
land and do that to it. But I'd love to
see a map here's another comment. The federal government has
stolen entirely too much of state owned land, and it
should be the return to the state or soul to
be used in other areas. There's absolutely no need for
the federal government to be hoarding land in Western America
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when they did not do that in Eastern America. I
think that's also a very uniquely Colorado comment. There's two
sides of it. Basically, some people in Colorado are saying,
leave us alone. We like the federal land. Why are
you taking land away from us and how we want
to use it when you aren't doing that to the
eastern United States because you don't have so much other land.
But then there's this flip side of it, where people
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are saying, you already own way too much of our
land in Western America and here in Colorado, you didn't
take that much land from people on the eastern half
of the country, so give it back to our states.
I really think both positions are valid. As I said
in the last hour, I think if it's a very
small sale for a very specific reason and to a
very specific buyer, or release back to the state, that
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might make sense. But I think for the most part,
there's other ways for the nation to save money and
to do other things contemplated. Create affordable housing. I mean,
in many ways that's a state's job, and I'm not
really convinced that it's the federal land is preventing a
state from having affordable housing. I know here in Colorado
that's really owed to policies have been passed that the legislature.
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A failure to pass construction defects reform legislation. There's you know,
cities and counties that have voted to limit growth within
their boundaries. I think there's so many more issues at
play actually here in Colorado. Inflation is crazy high in
Colorado and has been over the last few years in
comparison to other states. I think that affects a lot
of the lack of affordable housing in Colorado, rather than
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oh no, the federal government owns too much of our land.
So interesting issue. If you have thoughts, you can certainly
text in to Dan at five seven, seven three nine,
or you can call eight five five four zero five
eight two five five. I want to go ahead and
move to another issue. We've talked about Iran, We've talked
about the sale of federal lands. I want to talk
about Colorado being a sanctuary state. This is something that
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is of course deeply affecting us. We are according to
West News and World Report, we are the second most
dangerous state in the nation, moving up from last year's
report that had its number three most dangerous state in
the nation. So things are not getting better here. And
certainly no one is out there claiming that all or
most crime is being committed by illegal immigrants who are
who shouldn't be here. But the reality is that Colorado's
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sanctuary state status makes it easier for illegal immigrants who
are committee crimes to stay in our state and continue
to re offend. Because I'm going to go through some
of the sanctuary state laws we have here in Colorado
just so you can see the full scope of this
and how it really does affect the public safety here
in our state. But I think one of the best
illustrations is that the TDA gang, the Venezuelan gang that
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has been found in Aurora, found in Denver. The FBI
uncovered documentation from this gang saying that they specifically chose
Denver as their US headquarters because of sanctuary state policies.
We are a sanctuary state and Denver is a sanctuary city,
and so this horrible gang said, perfect city for us.
We're going to be welcome there, and that's why they
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made Denver their headquarters. So I mean, I mean, when
you see the response of criminal actors, human trafficking rings,
gangs and they make their home here, you have to
look at it realistically and say, what are the conditions
in our state that is drawing these kind of actors
to make their home here, make their base here. Well,
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usually it's owing to state law and or lack of
enforcement by police officers. And we know that that is
not the situation here in Colorado. It's not that law
enforcement isn't acting, it's that they're not allowed to act.
And so I'm gonna go ahead and pull up I
already have pulled up some of the sanctuary state laws
here in Colorado. Some of you know in my job,
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I'm the executive vice president at Advanced Colorado and we
put out a number of policy reports. Our next policy
report is actually going to be on the sanctuary state
status of Colorado, so you can look for that coming
out in the next week or two. One of the
reasons I think this report is so necessary that we're
talking about it today is because if you listen to
the news and you listen to Governor Jared Polus, you
hear him say things like this. This is what he
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said on nine News. He said, this narrative is fault
that Colorado is in any way, shape or form a
sanctuary state. We are not. Well, no matter how many
times the governor makes that claim, it's not going to
become factually accurate. During his nearly two terms in office,
he has signed four main laws to specifically create our
status as a sanctuary state, but many, many, many more
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companion laws that have strengthened this sanctuary state status. And
for anyone who wonders, all, well, is it just conservative
groups out there claiming we're a sanctuary state. Absolutely not.
Groups like the Lutheran Immigration Refugee Service, the Center for
Immigration Studies, these are non partisan national groups have included
Colorado in their list of sanctuary states. So this is
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just a commonly known fact that the governor would prefer
to ignore. But that doesn't make him right. And so
in addition to these main laws that made us a
sanctuary state, here are some of the ones you may
not have heard of before. Colorado has made photo IDs
easily accessible to illegal immigrants. They have illegal immigrants I
think this one is wild who plead guilty to a
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criminal offense. They are now allowed to ask for a
dismissal of the criminal charge if they weren't warned of
the implications of a guilty plea to their immigration status.
So basically, if they weren't told, hey, if you plead
guilty to a crime, you might actually end up being deported,
they can actually ask for the charge to be entirely dismissed.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Or they could have a very sympathetic da like Amy
Padden in a Raperole County or teeth preemptively go no,
whoa wait a minute, fifteen year old illegal alien who
just broadsided and killed a twenty four year old American
Colorado citizen. I'm going to reduce that charge and that
sentence to probation so that Ice doesn't find you, target you,
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deport you.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah no, And it becomes exactly that you're so right, Ryan,
It literally becomes karaz a haven for saying, let's protect
people who are here illegally instead of our own citizens.
Let's put non Americans first instead of the people that
we are voted for. Us that were actually sworn to
defend and protect. It is a wild, wild scenario out there.
There are many more laws that will go over here
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in Colorado that has created and strengthened our sanctuary state status.
I know, like Ryan said, there's so many examples of
this actually happening in reality, examples that show why we're
the number two most dangerous state in the nation according
to US News and World Report. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
You're on the Dan Kapla Show. If you have thoughts
about our sanctuary state status. Text five seven seven thirty
nine or call in eight five five four zero five
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eight two five five.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
They're the Dan Tapla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown, and
we are talking about Colorado's sanctuary state status and how
the laws that have been passed by the legislature year
after year after year since Governor Polis has been in
office have absolutely created a sanctuary state so bad in fact,
that the TDA gang from Venezuela made Denver their headquarters.
This is what the FBI found out specifically because of
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our sanctuary state and sanctuary city status. So the next
time you hear the governor saying we are absolutely not
a sanctuary state, you can know that that couldn't be
more fault. And even Kyle Clark on nine News has
said this. He said, police's absolute, unequivocal rejection of any
kind of sanctuary jurisdiction label challenges both plain English and
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common sense because Colorado does offer a level of protection
to people who are here without legal authorization, protection that
most states do not offer. I like that phrase. It
challenges both the English and common sense, and that's absolutely true.
If you look at the wording of all the multitude
of sanctuary state laws that exist here in Colorado, there's
no question that we have elevated illegal immigrants who are
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here in our state to a level, in many cases
even above citizens, and certainly above public safety. It is
our public safety that is at risk in Colorado, and
not because of the narrative that the left likes to
create of Oh my goodness, people on the right want
to act like illegal immig are bigger criminals than people
who are already here. No one's actually making that claim.
What we're saying is that there are a section of
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the illegal immigrants who do choose to commit crime. It
should be common sense and basic decency to the citizens
of your own state that you catch those people, you
arrest them, and you contact ICE so that they get
deported and don't get to reoffend and hurt our communities
and commit crimes against our people. Again basic common sense. Well,
guess what Colorado doesn't allow that.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Governor Polis loves to say, oh, no, no, no, we
do cooperate with federal agencies when it comes to crimes.
But if you listen very carefully to his words, he
specifically says with federal warrants, very important to know what
federal warrants are. Those are in the limited circumstances where ICE, Department,
Fullland Security, some other federal agency does get an order
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from a court a federal warrant that does require the
cooperation of state or local law enforcement, state agencies or
the like, you do actually have to cooperate with that.
So Governor Pulse is right that in those very limited circumstances,
and some of these involve the big crimes that are
in the news, like busts of human trafficking rings or
you know, big huge drug dealers or gang activities, sometimes
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you will get federal warrants on those and so yes,
state and local law enforcement do cooperate in those limited
circumstances because they have to. Even Colorado sanctuary state laws
acknowledge the fact that you have to in the limited
scenario of a federal warrant. But here's the catch that
Polus never admits is that when there is not a
specific warrant in place, Colorado law enforcement is actually banned
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from cooperating with ICE. They're literally banned. And the most
recent law that passed in this legislative session in twenty
twenty five, it'll get an entire step further and said
that if you are a local or state law enforcement officer,
if you are any sort of government employee, whether at
the local or state level here in Colorado, and you
choose to provide information to ICE where there is no
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current coordinated criminal investigation going on, but you decide that
you've seen enough, you've seen that there's a real public
safety risk, maybe you're dealing with a violent criminal, a
repeat felon. If you decide to go outside the bounds
of state law and go ahead and share data with
ICE or the Department Land Department of Homeland Security, anyway
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you can be personally liable in the amount of up
to fifty thousand dollars. So that is how little the
state of Colorado has chosen to value the public safety
of its citizens to say, if any police officer in
our entire state decides to step outside the bounds, take
responsibility for keeping citizens safe, and say, you know what,
I think this is a kind of scenario. We're sure
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we're not currently coordinating with ICE on this, but I
know this is an illegal immigrant, a violent criminal, a
repeat felon. I'm going to go ahead and take responsibility
for the citizens in my community. Go ahead and report
this person so they can get deported and out of
our state. You will be personally fined up to fifty
thousand dollars. It's absolutely crazy. And the governor, by the way,
signed that law this session, and after he's been on
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camera all session long saying we're not a sanctuary state,
we're not a sanctuary state, and we comply with federal warrants.
He is taking for granted that he thinks that people
of Colorado aren't going to understand what a federal warrant is.
And hey, if we cooperate with federal authorities in the
limited cases of a warrant. Oh, that must mean they
get to cooperate in any criminal instances. That is absolutely
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not true if you read the laws for yourself. There
are so many additional protections for illegal immigrants who commit
crimes in Colorado, including the one we talked about in
the last segment. If you weren't tuned in at this point,
that illegal immigrants who plead guilty to a criminal charge
are allowed to ask for dismissal of that charge if
they were not originally warned of the implications of a
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guilty plea to their immigration status. So if you commit
a crime, you can make yourself liable for deeper rotation,
even if you were here legally in the first place.
Committee a crime kind of gets you like kicked out
of the country a lot of times, especially if it's
a higher level crime. Well, if the police didn't take
it upon themselves too warn you of that something that
you should know common sense. Country is not going to
want to keep you if you commit crimes in their nation, Well,
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then they can actually ask for their guilty plea, and
in the entire charge, not just their guilty pee, the
entire charge to be dismissed. That is a specific law
in Colorado that clearly elevates the illegal immigrant criminal above
the private citizen who is just trying to stay safe. Now,
i'll tell you about a few of the other sanctuary
state laws in Colorado. You may not have heard of before.
Some of them you might have if you're paying attention
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on the legislature since twenty nineteen, because that's when this
huge batch of laws started getting passed and signed by
the governor. We also, in Colorado provide increasing taxpayer funding
for illegal immigrants health care even while citizens programs are
being cut from the state budget. We have created specifically
an immigration legal defense fund paid for by taxpayers. And
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by the way, that up to fifty thousand dollars fine.
For any police officer who takes on the responsibility for
himself to report someone to Ice. That fifty thousand dollars
he could personally be fined. That what go to the
people of Colorado. It wouldn't go to public safety efforts.
It would go to this immigration legal defense fund that
taxpayers are paying for. Right now, anyone who tries to
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protect you for an extra level here in Colorado, well,
their money is going to go to defending immigrants who
are here. And then another thing, another law that's passed.
We have specifically passed a very targeted law in twenty
twenty that bans ICE from making arrests on courthouse grounds.
So imagine that the one place where ICE would know
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we can go actually find and locate a criminal who's
supposed to be deported. They're at the courthouse today, they're
facing their trial, they're going to be charged yor not.
We could take them, arrest them and then deport them.
You're banned in Colorado. Ice is banned in Colorado from
entering courthouse grounds to arrest someone who they would want
to deport, who none of us want to be in
our state when they're committing crimes. Can't do that here.
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And that is one of the laws I think that
contributed to the situation you probably heard about in Denver
earlier this year year where a criminal who had served
his time in jail in Denver was you know, ICE
was given a ninety minute advance email to say, oh,
he's about to be released. You can come get him
if you want. Denver police officers, because of city and
state law, released him in a parking lot where ICE
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agents said had to chase him down, got assaulted, and
that's how they were able to finally get hold of
him and then deport him. These are the kind of
absolute crazy scenarios that are created by Colorado sanctuary state laws.
And we haven't even gotten into the worst versions of
the sanctuary state laws that created that status in the
first place here in Colorado. These are just some of
the companion the surrounding laws. At Advanced Colorado, where I
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work as executive vice president, we're about to release a
report on how and why Colorado is a sanctuary state
and what that means for the people of Colorado, So
keep your eye out for that in the next couple weeks.
I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're here on the Dan Kapla Show.
Call in over the break if you have thoughts eight
five to five four zero five eight two five five
or text Dan at five seven seven nine.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You're back up the Dan Caplich Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown,
and we are talking about sanctuary state status here in Colorado.
Good question from a text over the break saying, on
the sanctuary state issue, the Department of Justice needs to
arrest all politicians supporting sanctuary laws and officials for obstruction,
harboring criminals, aiding, and betting. Why can't or don't they?
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Thanks for sending in this question. That's the thing that
is often talked about, especially on the political right, like, Hey,
if sanctuary state laws are enabling criminals to be protected
in a state, why don't we just arrest the politicians
who are doing it. I'll give you my thoughts on this.
I don't think that's the solution. And here's why. I
think if as the nation, we got into the habit
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of arresting politicians when they do something that we consider
dangerous to the rest of society, uncivil, a whole lot
of things, but that are not expressly a crime. Politicians
can of course be arrested like anyone else for committing
an actual crime. But if it is in our opinion,
it is making us less safe in our opinion, it
is promoting crime. And of course i'd say that's a
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correct opinion in this scenario, and the facts prove it.
I think you just get into dangerous territory because the
other side can use it too, and I think that's
really important for people on both sides. The aisles to remember,
whenever you advocate for taking extreme action, the other side
can do it too. Once it's something that happens, it's
something that anyone can use as a tool in their toolbox.
And if you also think about what kind of countries
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just go arrest their politicians for doing something that isn't
approved of by whoever's currently in power, maybe at the
highest level, I mean those are often third world countries.
I don't think that's a path we want to go down.
And you know, I think the intention from people who
are asking this question, it's a good intention. It's like, hey,
let's keep our citizens safe and sanctuary es state laws
are asolute, horrible and ridiculous and they do endanger us all.
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But I just don't think the answer is go arrest
to the politicians who are passing it. It's not a
standard I think we want to adopt in the United States.
What I think we could do instead is things like
electing President Trump as someone who is committed to use
the DOJ and use the Department of Homeland Security and ICE,
which is underneath the Department of Hebland Security, to go
ahead and arrest people who shouldn't be in our country
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in the first place, who've committed crimes, who should be deported.
If states aren't going to take care of it, the
federal government is taking that on themselves, and it really is,
at its core, a federal duty to deport these criminals.
The duty of the state, in my view, is to
report these people to the federal government, cooperate to give
them the information they need to take the criminals out
(20:41):
of the country. And that's what Colorado doesn't do. In fact,
one of the core sanctuary state laws that was passed
I think this one was passed in twenty twenty one,
actually required all local law enforcement agencies to sign an
agreement with the state that they would not use any
non publicly available personally identifying data in a state database
and share it with ICE. So what does that mean. Basically,
(21:04):
police officers use a multiple state systems, but one of
them is called Colorado Drives and so this has like
your driver's license information in it and basic information that
policemen need when they're making a traffic stop, when they're
making a big arrest, like they have to be able
to identify who the suspect is and they need all
that information, Like they really couldn't do their jobs without it. Well,
what the law said is, you will lose your access
(21:25):
to Colorado drives if you do not sign this agreement
that you will not share any information from Colorado Drives
with ICE. And so that basically bound the hands of
all the local law enforcement officers across the state, even
those who thought in their community it was a great
idea to go ahead and coordinate with ICE and report
to them when they found a violent criminal or repeat
felon who should have been deported. You can't report them
(21:47):
to ICE since twenty twenty one in Colorado. That was
one of the core laws that made us a sanctuary
state and chose to elevate the protection of criminals over
citizens who are seeking safety and you know, a decent
life communities in our state. So you know, obviously I
think electing someone at a higher level, like President Trump,
who can actually use the power of his office to
(22:09):
take care of that despite what Colorado is choosing to do,
I think that's a good choice. I think another choice
available to us in Colorado is the ballot measure process.
And we you know, we passed a couple of ballot
measures at Advanced Colorado last year. The most popular citizen
initiated one on the ballot in twenty twenty four was
one of ours, the Truth and Sentencing Measure. We are
taking another sanctuary state measure anti sanctuary state, obviously through
(22:32):
the title board process right now, that would require law
enforcement officers to give information to the Department of Homeland
Security when they're dealing with repeat felons and violent criminals,
because that is something that just at its core, is
unbelievable to most citizens in Colorado that our local law
enforcement aren't even allowed to report people like that to
(22:54):
the Department of Homeland Security. So we're at one of
the states in the nation that where citizens can actually
get something like that on the ballot and change laws
that the legislature is unwilling to do. We can take
it into our own hands. So I think that is
the better kind of action that is available to us
in Colorado that we should definitely take into our own
hands as citizens and go ahead and do it, because
(23:14):
you know, if we don't, we're going to continue to
go down the line of states like New York, where
the governor recently announced that New York is going to
provide an additional fifty million taxpayer dollars to provide legal
services for illegal aliens. I think a lot of these
these liberal governors are seeing it as a battle that's
set up between them and President Trump, instead of seeing
(23:36):
that their real duty is to their citizens of their
states and keeping their citizens state safe. It should be
a battle between criminals in the state and citizens who
want to live in a safe community. And instead of
looking at on the ground with the people that they
deal with every day, the people that deserve that commitment
to safety from their elected officials. Instead, they really are
(23:59):
seeing it as some big battle between Trump and themselves,
and you know, which of them is going to rise
to the top of the food chain, so to speak
in the Democrat Party so that they, you know, maybe
are eligible for, uh, I don't know, running for president
in twenty twenty eight. So it's just really unfortunate citizens
are getting ignored to that level. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
You're here in the dan Kapla show. I'm gonna go ahead
(24:21):
and take a caller. You also can call in eight
five five four zero five eight two five five or
text your thoughts to five seven seven three nine. Kevin
from Boulder, Welcome to the dan Kapla show.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, changing the subject, Okay, let's do it. I thought
by now Trump, although he may not even know that,
he would make them stop spraying the chim trails that
I first noticed thirty years ago in Arizona. But they spray.
(24:55):
It's nationwide, maybe even worldwide, And a lot of people
claim that it's just a conspiracy theory, but I can
prove that it's not. If you type in CAM trail
patents into the search bar, it'll go right to the
US patent website for tim trail making equipment and what
(25:19):
it's used for.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, you know, I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
I am almost daily. You're in South Colorado, and you
know people have had them tested. They have arsenic, lead, mercury.
They're poisoning us with these sprays, and they get in
the food and the water, and I don't know why
nobody's done anything about it yet.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well, you know, Kevin, I think you raise a good question,
and without a doubt, wherever it's coming from, there are
a whole lot of toxins and pollutants and chemicals all
over that we really do need to do something about.
And I would I would assume that RFK JUNR is
probably going to be the one to spearhead those kind
of things and try and push for change in the
Trump administration.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
If you got really good binoculars or a telescope, yeah,
you can tell looking at the jets that spray out
these camtrails they're not contrails, because contrails disappear after a
few seconds. These cam trails anywhere they're sprayed, they don't disappear.
They get wider and wider and wider, and they last
(26:32):
for hours and they blank out the sky with what
people think are clouds, but it's really it's not clouds.
It's a toxic waste that they're spraying, and you can
see with a telescope or binoculars that they're coming out
a part of the plane that does not emit contrails.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, and you know, Kevin, that's not something I've personally
looked into, but I have certainly heard that a lot
of people are really concerned about it. And I do
think that having RFK Junior in the position he's in
and some of the people below him are going to
promote a lot of the removals of toxins, pollutants, chemicals.
We'll see if they get to the ones you're talking about,
but I do have to take a break now, so Kevin,
thank you for calling in. Bring that to everyone's attention
(27:11):
and feed your cats some dinner. Great to have you
on the Dan Kapla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You
can call in over the break eight five five four
zero five eight two five five or text your thoughts
to five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
You're back of the Dan Taplat Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
That song is a great way to wrap up our
sanctuary state discussion here in Colorado, one of the worst
sanctuary states in the nation. There are a couple states
out there who do have worse laws than we do,
but we are wrecking them up by passing more and
more every session, including this most recent session. I do
want to hit real quick before we go for the
(27:47):
nights and leave you to your hopefully wonderful weekend. An
issue that may possibly create a special session here in Colorado.
A lot of people in Colorado, including the governor and legislators,
are looking at what the federal garver is going to
do when it comes to Medicaid cuts. Well that's at
least how they phrase it Medicaid cuts. What really is
happening is at the federal level, they are looking at
(28:10):
whether or not work eligibility requirements for Medicaid should be changed.
Like for example, when most people think of Medicaid, they
think of a either old people who need their health
care paid for. That is Medicare, actually not Medicaid, and
no one's talking about cutting Medicare, but Medicaid. If people
don't think about old people, then they think about like
pregnant women and young children who are from very, very
(28:31):
poor homes, These vulnerable individuals who, yes, society should take
care of in many ways and fund their healthcare. That's
what people think of. But that is not whatsoever the
entire population that is currently on Medicaid, especially not in
a state like Colorado. We have expanded Medicaid eligibility in
Colorado to such a level that an incredibly high percentage
(28:52):
of our population is actually on Medicaid, and the federal
government is thinking of changing work eligibility requirements, and some
of those requirements would be pas on down to the state.
I mean, the state can do its own funding of healthcare,
but can't get federal dollars if they don't comply with
the federal government's eligibility requirements. And basically, how many single,
healthy individuals who could go get a job if they
(29:15):
wanted to, should be on Medicaid. Most people would probably
say not any If you're single, you're able bodied, you're
able to work, and yet many of them are on
Medicaid here in Colorado. I think it's worth going to
a flashback of President Clinton. So this used to be
the position of the Democrat Party on welfare in general,
(29:35):
which certainly also applies to Medicaid. This is, you know,
a common sense position a lot of people on the
right would have, but we forget that the left used
to have this position.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Due nearly thirty years ago, Robert Kennedy said, work is
the meaning of what this country is all about. We
need it as individuals, we need to sense it in
our fellow citizens, and we need it as a society
and as a people. He was right then, and it's
right now. From now on, our nation's answer to this
(30:09):
great social challenge will no longer be an never ending
cycle of welfare. It will be the dignity, the power,
and the ethic of work. Today we are taking an
historic chance to make welfare what it was meant to be,
a second chance, not a way of life.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And this is from when President Clinton was announcing his
welfare to work program. He also went on to say
that it is clearly better to go to work, of course,
and we're talking about people who can, people who are
hanging on to medicaid when that isn't something that they
actually need, it's something that they like and something that
they want. I mean, in many cases, who wouldn't want
to be paid for if you have gotten them for
(30:47):
a long time and want to keep getting them. But
it's really not fair to the rest of society who
then the state has to make budget cuts after budget
cuts after budget cuts, when they've expanded medicaid to such
a high level that way too many people who certainly
shouldn't be eligible and could work are on it. But
going back to another flashback, here's Vice President Al Gore
and Senator Joe Biden at the time, Senator Biden also
(31:10):
talking about work requirements.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
For too many. Welfare has been a way of life
for too long. It has condemned too many on welfare
to a lifetime at the margins of our society Today
we start to change all that anyone.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
Who wants to receive welfare must sign an individual responsibility
contract so that they're forced to agree upfront to the
conditions placed on receiving the benefit, and so that they
will have a plan from day one on how to
get themselves off of welfare. Put them to work and
(31:48):
make them want to go to work, and make it
reasonable for them to go to work. Be mandatory work
requirement for anyone receiving welfare.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So if you start hearing news about a special session
in Colorado because of all the Medicaid cuts happening at
the federal level, and by the way, none of these
have been passed yet, they're still negotiating through the so
called Big Beautiful Bill to figure out exactly what kind
of cuts might be made. Number one. Remember it's not
actually cuts, it is work eligibility requirement changes. Number two.
(32:17):
Remember that most Democrats not too long ago actually agreed
with these kind of mandatory work requirements and agreed that
there should be a limited eligibility for all welfare programs,
including Medicaid, and that we shouldn't just be expanding the
pool and adding more and more and more people opening
it up. Well, you can. You know, these people qualify,
and these people qualify until almost all of society qualifies.
(32:39):
That's not what these programs are designed to do. They're
literally designed to help the most vulnerable among us, people
who may be in a temporary situation where they do
need help from their fellow citizens through taxpayer funded programs
like Medicaid. This is not supposed to be a permanent
crutch for a large portion of society. And that used
to be a commonly held belief, really an American viewpoint
(33:02):
rather than a conservative Republican viewpoint, and I think those
are that's worth remembering, whether you're having conversations about the
federal bill or whether you do hear talks of a
potential special session here in Colorado. Those are the real facts,
that's the real situation on the ground. It's not a cut,
it's a change to work eligibility requirement. And let's go
back to the American viewpoint that we should expect able
(33:24):
bodied people to go to work. Is a very different
conversation about whether or not the different cliffs that exist
in various versions of welfare are actually fair, whether or
not they really work for people, or whether they disincentivize
people from getting married, from having a job, from having kids,
from doing all these different things. I think there's a
lot of welfare reform that actually should happen. Paul Ryan
(33:46):
had a lot of good ideas about it that were
never fully implemented. But I think that's a different conversation
than narrowing in on Medicaid work eligibility specifically and saying
let's take the steps we can take right now and
narrow in on people who really need to help, not
people who just want to say they do it. Doesn't
make it fair to the rest of taxpayers who work
hard every single day. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You've been
(34:07):
on the Dan Kaplis Show. Thanks for joining me and
Ryan and Kelly. Great show today. Hope you get out
there and enjoy your weekend and just don't burn it's
gonna be in the nineties. All wee can long jump
in a pool, stay inside, turn on your ac do
something that we get to enjoy in the first world.
Wonderful country we live in.
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