Aurora mayor Mike Coffman joins Dan live in-studio for two segments to discuss the infiltration of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua into several blocks of apartments in his city, and what he plans to do to solve the crisis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Kaplis, and welcome to today's online podcast
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single day on your favorite podcast platform. Maryor Mike Kaufman
joins us at five thirty six. This is now an
enormous national story, and it's a focus point of the
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presidential race because the video, and I'm sure you've seen
it now of these criminals, you know, with these weapons
taking over this Aurora apartment complex and busting into this apartment,
et cetera. This just makes very real for people the
horror caused in America by Kamala Harris's failure.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
At the border.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
So it is a focal point now of the presidential race,
which is why presumably you have poll us out there
lying about it, saying essentially it's Danielle Jurinsky's imagination and
you know, the flax media flax for the left out
there trying to downplay it. It is a extraordinarily serious
and it's capturing the attention of America for obvious, very
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good reasons. So Mark Kaufman with us at five point
thirty six to talk about that, and please to remember
it was a month ago on this show that I
was talking to Mark Kaufman about the problems they were
having in Aurora because of large numbers of folks coming
in through the southern border from Venezuela. And then he
he's stung me by making the comment that their entire
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blocks in Aurora that have been taken over and that
the city's trying to reclaim street by street and block
by block.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
In a the what you know is we have areas
in our city, unfortunately, that have been overtaken and that
we have to take back three by street, block by block.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Imagine that in America. And again that's why it's becoming
a big deal in the presidential race. Here's President Trump
commenting on it today.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Today.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Did you see that, Well, Venezuelan gang members have taken
over parts of the city, They've taken over apartment houses.
Because these stupid people that we have leading our country
are allowing these people, these criminals to come to come
into our country, and we're going to get them the
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hell out of here.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
And this is just the beginning.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Why do you see what happens?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Why do you see what they're doing. Yeah, that the
video and the taking over these apartment complexes the mayor
will talk about, and then these poor people who are
terrorized in there being Venezuelan immigrants here, and then the
immigrants have to pay these criminals the money. It's it's just,
it's so opposite of what America is in America is
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supposed to be. And you have many Americans across party
lines who do not want to lose their country. They
have plenty of Americans Democrats on affiliated's Republicans who are saying, no,
people fought and died, my parents, my grandparents, they built
this country, and we are not just going to turn
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this country over to people who decide to come in illegally.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And you know, so it's a.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Very powerful sentiment in America cross party lines. It is
not anti immigrant, not at all. That's never been who
we are. No good American could be anti immigrant. It's
anti illegal immigrants. It's above all anti illegal immigrants who
come here and then commit other crimes. And no matter
what percentage it is, and I hapen to think it's
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relatively small percentage, it one is too many, and it
happens to be large enough numbers to kill many in
America and wreak havoc, and we just can't have it.
That's why in a CBS poll in early summer, you
had about two thirds who supported mass deportations. So at
this video now surfacing in our Aurora, you can be
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sure that the Trump's going to stay focused on this.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
So MARYK.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Kaufman with us at five point thirty six to talk
about it, and as we touched briefly, I want to
get back to texting calls. As we touched briefly on
the the extraordinary disappointment last night. I mean, it's not surprised, right,
it predicted it would come down the way it did.
But Dana Bash is a talented journalist, and she made
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a conscious decision last night to forfeit her credentials as
a journalist and act instead as a flack for the
Harris campaign. And so she did what I predicted, and
she asked some tough questions that were really meaningless because
she never followed up when Harris lied or evaded. And
so it really last night it deprived America. It deprived
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America of a full opportunity to see who Kamala Harris
really is. And that was Dana Bash's mission was to
deprive America of that opportunity because Dana Bash, almost the
entire media wants Trump to lose, and if people can
who Kamala Harris really is, then Trump is certain to win.
And so last night was a real disservice to the
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American people. What was so interesting to me, and I
won't play the sound again right now because we have
other stuff to cover, is the way she did go
after Walls, and then Walls, as you know, came out
and he lied, he lied. She teed it up for him,
just how all he had to do was admitt he misspoke.
He wouldn't do that, He claimed it was bad grammar. Well,
guess what the people, working people everywhere, working people in
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the Upper Midwest, I know in particular growing up in Chicago,
Ryan and Michigan, value the truth. It's a core value.
It's what people build their lives around. And when a
guy like Walls, who pretends to be mister workingman and
mister Midwest comes out and he lies to you like
that and says, oh no, saying he carried a weapon
of war in a war zone, that's when he was
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at war. That's poor grammar that just insults people's intelligence.
And I'll tell you what, and you know this to
be true. I'm sure that on average, if you take
a big old group of working people and you take
a big old group of rich people, the big old
group of working people is going to be as smart
or smarter, and then you're going to have a bunch
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of other explanations for why people are in different circumstances
in life. And so when you then say to working people,
oh no, that was just bad grammar, first of all,
you're violating their core value of honesty. Second, you're insulting
their intelligence. So what was interesting to me last night
when Bash did go after Walls and stayed on him
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to a point, not enough, but to a point pointing
out other lives of his, is that she's trying to
run him out of the race. The Left has not
given up on running Walls out of the race, and
that concerns me because we need Walls as part of
the ticket. We don't need Harris replacing Walls with Shapiro. Anyway,
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let me get back to some of these great text
Texter Dan got disagree. Have you heard the ad produced
by rfk's running mate it's hilarious, Mike and Henderson. I
have seen and heard that ad. It is brilliant. If
we don't err it today, well, Eric Monday, we are
so busy today. But let me play that Trump ad
again in case you weren't here when we played it earlier.
It is by far the best ad produced yet by
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the Trump campaign, and they produced some good ones. And
this spins off of Harris in the BackRub last night
claiming that, oh no, my values have not changed.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, all these other positions she claims have changed, and
they really haven't. But she her cover story for that
is all my values have not changed. And the Trump
campaign brilliantly took advantage to that of that to say, yeah,
so she's going to do all those awful things that
she told you before she was going to do.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
My values have not changed. Here's red meat, specifically, Yes
of Boston Marathon bomber they to vote.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I think we should have that conversation.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Abolish ice, Yes, would you ban off shore drilling?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (07:58):
I'm in favorite banning frack. I am prepared to pass
agreeing to deal, and I support a mandatory buyback program.
We're not going to treat people who are undocumented borders, criminals.
The idea that more police equals more safety, that's just wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Policing as we know, goes all the way back to
slave patrols and that idea.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yes, you are absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Where do you stand on defund the police?
Speaker 7 (08:18):
We need to take a look at these budgets?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Do you ban plastic straws? And I wish a seventy
to eighty percent tax rate.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Chipping now to the Minnesota Freedom Fund. How dare we
speak Merry Christmas?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I am rad.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I do believe that we need to get radical about
what we are doing over a.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Wow, So that's a sixty. That's going to be real expensive.
But hopefully they can raise the money and they can
run that on a loop in Swing States Ate five
five four zero five eight two five five text d
A N five seven seven thirty nine, Mayor Mike Kaufman
at five point thirty six. And one of the questions
we'll ask them are is, Hey, why aren't these apartment
complexes that have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs been
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flooded with police? And don't blame that? Great men and
women in blue and Aura for this. But why haven't
they been flooded with police from day one? This cannot
be allowed to exist. So good of the mayor to
come in and he'll be here at five thirty six. Dan,
please ask my Kaufman if being a sanctuary state has
anything to do with the situation. I will certainly are
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these illegals being turned over to ICE? I will certainly
ask the mayor that, Dan, what will happen when Trump wins?
It was a mostly peaceful riot. That's a good question.
Believe me. I am not in any way, shape or
form declaring this race over. I'm just pointing out that,
as I predicted, you know, Harris's peaked, and now things
are starting to turn in Trump's favor, earlier than I
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thought they would, but starting to turn in Trump's favor
to the point where Nate Silver, who does not come
from the right on well it's not five thirty eighty,
sold that to ABC, but his own separate Nate's Silver blog,
has now moved Trump into a six point five lead.
Now that doesn't mean Trump has a six zo point
five lead in any particular polls, but what it means is,
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as Nate Silver does his analysis and part of it
includes polls, and part includes other dynamics and historical trends,
et cetera. He as of today says that there's about
a six to seven point greater chance that Trump wins
the presidency. Now, just a few days ago he had
at about sixty forty in Harris's favor, So expect this
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to jump all over the place, whether that's Nate trying
to get more attention for his blog, trying to manipulate
things politically, or whether it's a straight up analysis. As
of today, he has Trump more likely to win the
race in the trend line right now for lots of reasons.
Very good for Trump eight f five for zero five
eight two five five in number. When we come back,
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leading into Mayor Kaufman joining us in what has become
a big issue in the presidential race, which is the
takeover of apartment complexes in Aurora by Venezuelan gangs. Here
on the Dan Kapla Show, and.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast Your.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Residence, Cindy Romero counselwoman Jorensky, who has been amazing. My
first conversation with her, she said, she said, do you
still live there?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
And I said yes, And she said, I'm going to
get you out of there. Wow, I'm not going to
make it my work.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
So you're singing her praises. In the meantime, the office
of Governor Jared Paulus is saying she's making all of
this up.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Listen to what a spokesman said.
Speaker 9 (11:30):
According to police intelligence, this purported invasion, I guess of
these apartment buildings is largely a feature of Danielle Jurinsky's imagination.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
What do you say to that.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
You can't fake video and poulis within the last five
minutes on that property.
Speaker 9 (11:48):
Wow, here's what daniel min is. Here's what Danielle said
about I'll listen to this.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I absolutely did.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Not make any of this up.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
I love that is how our governor has quickly rushed
in to say that that's the actual problem here. But
the actual problem here are his weak policies that have
turned this state into a breeding ground for this gang activity.
Speaker 9 (12:19):
Sidney, why do you think the Governor's office has got
its head stuck firmly in the sand over this issue.
Speaker 8 (12:27):
They don't want to admit that they're part of the problem.
It's the administration who we count on to make the
rules for us, to make the guidelines that we go by.
I call nine to one one, No help comes for me.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
No help.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
There's no mess amounts of police that show up to
make sure that we're defended.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Nobody showed up to help me.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
I didn't have a bulletproof vest I didn't have five
officers showing up with me. Whenever there was a problem,
we were on our own and we were left to die.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Wow, you should have no.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
Registration in this country.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
And we should point out that the scenes that you're
seeing on the right hand side of the screen there,
those were taken from Cindy's ring doorbell or video doorbell
while she was inside her apartment.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You can imagine what it was.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Hey, bro, can you take us into CNN? They've got
polus on it and they just threw up a headline.
Speaker 10 (13:24):
Is this something that you need to take more seriously?
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Oh, we take it very seriously.
Speaker 11 (13:30):
Weeks ago, I convened the City of Aurora with the
state and federal government. Look, it is completely illegal in
Colorado to take over and occupy a building and a
lot of police departments on the front lines if they
need our help. I've told the mayor I've told the
police department, the state is ready to assist your police
department if it's above and beyond your capabilities to do that.
If the people alleging this have more evidence, please bring
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it forward, give it to Aurora Police Department. The State
of Colorado takes these kinds of threats very seriously.
Speaker 10 (13:59):
Then, looking back on this statement about according to police intelligence,
this purported invasion is largely a feature of a particular
council woman's imagination. How are you reflecting on that?
Speaker 11 (14:11):
Oh, if there is a building that was taken over
by gangs, the state would assist the Aurora Police Department
in taking it back within moments. So all we await
is a call from Aurora saying there's any building in
the control of any gang and we are ready to
help take it back. That call has not happened because
Aurora Police does not currently believe or they haven't told us,
that there's any buildings in control of gangs.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Can we still on this show?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
He's about to see it in five.
Speaker 11 (14:33):
Minutes facilit illegally in all fifty states, and Colorado is
a zero tolerance policy. And I hope that the city
of Aurora, which is controlled by Republicans, Republican mayor Republican
city council. I hope they also have a zero tolerance
policy to this kind of law breaking if it's occurring
within their borders.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
I do want to make a turn. This is a
very different topic, I think one.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That can bail out of it. It's just so polish.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And the fact that this guy's governor of Colorado, because
think about Colorado, whether somebody is a Democrat or Republican
or whatever, you know, the ethic of Colorado. The West
right is supposed to be a stand up You tell
the truth, you stand by what you say. If you're wrong,
you then admit it. The guy is so weasily, so weasily.
I mean, he's the guy who came out and said, no,
this is a fig a figment of Danielle Chirinsky's imagination.
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Oh wait a second. Mark Kaufman is on the record.
He said it on the show, and he's going to
say it on the show again in about nine minutes.
That no, we have apartment complexes that have been taken
over by Venezuelan gangs. Police knows it's true, but he
lies about it because it's happened in his state, right,
and credit to see an n credit to see an
end for confronting him on it. And then of course
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he lies again.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
He's the worst. He just says, well, if there's a problem,
they haven't called us, they haven't told us about it,
so there must not be a problem.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah. But credit credit to CNN for calling him out
on hey saying it's a figment of the imagination.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
If do you stand by that?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And then how police weaseled around that?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, So Mary Kaufman joins us at five thirty six,
and he will talk about what he talked about on
my show back on July thirty first.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
But what you know is we have areas in our city,
unfortunately that have been overtaken and that we have to
take back three by street, block by block.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, so Polus knows it's real, he knows it's happening,
and he goes out and he denigrates this councilwoman that
way by essentially telling people she's lying. Oh, it's a
figment of her imagination. And then credit to CNN for
confronting him. Now they had him on, you know, to
do his flag thing for Harris and everything else, but
they brought it up and confronted him on it good
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for CNN eight y five or zero five eight two
five five the number bad for CNN. What happened last night?
That was a grave disservice to the American people when
when they went out and they protected Harris, and they
had an opportunity to show the people who she really is,
what she really stands for, how she can handle tough questions,
and they decided to serve as a flack for her.
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And again it's a disservice to the American people. Let
him see who she really is and make an informed decision.
But what they're admitting is she's not qualified, she's not
capable of doing the job. And that's why they had
to protect her by first of all, not asking the
follow up questions when she evaded or lied. But second Ryan,
where's the rest of the interview? The interview that aired
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was twenty eight minutes, They sat down for an hour.
Where's the rest of the interview? Where's the transcript? So
just just a grave dis service last night. Coming up
next Mayor Mike Kaufman of Aurora, and what he's going
to tell you is, no, it is true that apartment
complexes have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs, even though
Jared Pola says it's a figment of Councilwoman Jurinsky's imagination.
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And then we'll talk to Mary Kaufman about, Okay, you
know what can be done? This obviously can't be tolerated,
What can be done, Why hasn't it been done already?
And we'll get very concrete about what is the fix there,
because this isn't America. It cannot be America. It cannot
be the new normal in America. That we know for sure,
across party lines we know, which is why it's becoming
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a flashpoint in the presidential race because this video is
national now. People don't want that as the future of America.
That's why Jared Polus is lying and saying that's really
not happening, because it knows it hurts Democrats so much
because it's democrats, it's Kamala Harris, Democrats like Kim who
want that border open. Mark Kaufman next on The Dan
Kaplis Show.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
What you know is we have areas in our city,
unfortunately that have been overtaken and that we have to
take back street by street.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Block by block privileged to have or is Mayor Mike
Kaufman in studio with us right now? This is big
national story, as you know, mister Maren. In fact, President
Trump addressed it today amazingly as we were waiting for
you to come in.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
We're on live.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
In our last segment, Governor Polis shows up on CNN
and CNN starts, to their credit, they start grilling him
on way a second. Governor, you say that this story
that Venezuela and gangs are taking over apartment complexes in
Aurora is a figment of a councilwoman's imagination. Do you
stand by that, Governor? And then he weaseled around that.
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But let's start our time together today with is this
a figment of Danielle Jerinsky's imagination or is it really happening?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, that's not a fact my imagination. So that.
Speaker 12 (19:45):
There are several buildings that are problematic that where there
is a concentration of Veezuelan migrants, and I think you know,
when you have a concentration of venezuel and migrants, sometimes
that criminal element follows, and I think that's what happened here.
(20:05):
So the interesting thing is the City of Aurora and
council supported me. I did everything we could to stay
out of this migrant crisis. We said at the beginning
that we would spend no tax dollars unlike Denver, and
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went step further and said we would not be a
conduit to federal or state resources coming down to provide assistance,
because I just felt that at that time that you
know that there would be lots of legacy type costs,
and you know we would never be compensated for it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And I disagreed with federal policy at the border, and
I think.
Speaker 12 (20:50):
That that accepting them would acquiesce to what's going on
in the border. And so what happened was you had
this mass, a wave of migrants coming up from Venezuela,
and Venezuela is essentially.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
A failed state.
Speaker 12 (21:07):
I mean you the police there or their only job
is to defend the dictatorship. It's not to protect the
people from crime, so criminal and the economies creators, so
criminality is just rampant down there. And so I think
you which you had with that wave of immigration, and
you have the country of Venezuela that does not cooperate
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as other countries do with US Immigration Services when it
comes to criminal history. So I don't know what was
done to vet people at the border. But when you
have a policy, to me, what's what, it's such a
gray area what's legal what's illegal? Because you can today
under this administration, walk across the border illegally, get arrested, uh,
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declare that you want to apply for political asylum, get
what's called humanitarian prolled into the country, and your court
date is way out there, who knows when.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Years to get it adjudicated.
Speaker 12 (22:08):
And to end, you're not allowed to work for six
You can't apply for a work permit for six months.
This is not like the immigration we've had, and I'm
a real pro legal immigration. We have one of the
most diverse communities in the Colorado.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, you did all these things right to try to
stop this from coming to Aurora. So how did all
these people end up in Aura?
Speaker 12 (22:27):
Well, I'm trying to walk it back, and what I
think has happened was this. I think this is the
This is these properties all belong to the same owner,
and he's an out of state owner. Quite frankly, it
is its lumlord. He let us properties deteriorate. I think
they had a reasonable high vacancy rate, and he has
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really cheap rents as a result of that. And so
what I think is that a federal government or state government,
one of the two went to some of our local
nonprofits and offer this guy ideal, said, you know, we'll
pay you guarantee.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
For so many months you take them in.
Speaker 12 (23:07):
And then and then you had this concentration of Venezuela
migrants in there, and I think the criminal element followed,
and they and the criminal elements tend to exploit its
own within its own community. So I think that's you know, here,
here's a city that did its best to stay out
of this. Can they get ended up getting stuck with
the worst of it?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
How did these folks end up in a rord to
begin with?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Though?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Were they shipped there by Denver or did they go.
Speaker 12 (23:34):
You know, I think that's one thing we got to
look at. Was it you know, was Denver somehow, I
hope not complicit in this? Was a stay complicit in this?
I think, if I had to bet, I guess probably
federal government, you know, whether it's FEMA.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I don't know who it was. Uh, you know that
they went of.
Speaker 12 (23:55):
Our nonprofits got a contract with them, didn't go through
the city we're not aware of and place them in
the in these with this one owners and the problem
resides really with his one owner and his properties.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
How many apartment complexes at this point have been taken
over by these Venezuelan gangs.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Several they're three, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And then when you were with us in July thirty
first you talked about how there are are blocks in
Aurora that have to be taken back block Bible.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think what I was referring to there is a
different kind of crime, you know.
Speaker 12 (24:27):
Unfortunately, I'm really focused on the Kofeci Quodor, which is
which is a kind of it's unfortunately a high crime area,
and these things are very close within the vicinity. Really,
I would consider part of the Quarridor. When I was
a kid growing up, it was the central business district
for the city, you know, really vibrant, really exciting, you know,
and all retail pretty much mostly retail. And the problem
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is is that it's those buildings are still there, the
same buildings when I was a kid, only they're vacant
or they're marginally used.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I'm working to redevelop the area.
Speaker 12 (25:00):
But what you have, uh, is you got a lot
of drug dealing, prostitution and homelessness in that area.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And getting back to the Venezuelan gangs taking over these
apartment complex is a common question we get on the show.
I'm sure you get all the time. Is is obviously,
I mean you're you're a guy who put your life
on this line for this country and serving in the
military in Iraq. So you know better than we than
anybody that this can't be tolerated for one hour in America.
(25:26):
It's so opposite who we are. So why has this
been allowed to continue?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
For either not allowed? But sorry? What we have take
you to?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I know you've been on the round every time I
walk through my lobby, I see you on one national
news show.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
I mean, we've got police officers inside these buildings, go
to door to door.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I think the difficulty is is.
Speaker 12 (25:51):
It's all you know, It's like, if you want to
compare it to a military situation, it's counterinsurgency. And so
the challenge that when I was in Iraq that we
had was that the insurgents would would could fall back
into the population, right, and so that's why the it's
it's so key to have.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Uh, the support of these.
Speaker 12 (26:14):
People that are intimidated by them and not cooperative right now.
But we there's a backup plan that I have, uh
that I put on my Facebook page this afternoon and
essentially that I hope it doesn't come to this, but
it might.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I mean, we're gonna go.
Speaker 12 (26:31):
We're we're gonna file uh in our own municipal court
for a emergency order uh to its essentially shut the
building down, shut these building downs under a criminal nuisance ordinance.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
But we're we made some key rest so far.
Speaker 12 (26:52):
We were wrestled a very significant gang leader, uh this
so far and uh, and so we're continuing to work
in that way.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
But I got to have this. This is kind of
like a backstop.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, maror Mike Coffman kind enough to be with us
when we come back from this break. I want to
deep dive the fix, right because everybody listening, that's what
they're focused on, is wait a second, this can't be
allowed to exist in America? What is the fix? But
before we hit this break, question on everybody's mind as
they're listening is wait a second, we've got these video
you can see these guys. Is we're able to identify
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these criminals walking around with these weapons. Are arrests being made.
Speaker 12 (27:31):
Well, we're absolutely looking for them, I think. And one
of the challenges that we have under our legal system,
under our criminal justice system, right or wrong, is you
have to catch them doing something wrong. I think for
those it's clear that they want something wrong. Yeah, they're
pounding on that door. They had weapons, although you know
the Second Amendment rights apply to every resident I think
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in this country. But you know, intimidating. They're clearly intimidating somebody.
So there's a basis there. But you know, we're the
question is this can we be one hundred percent before
the court gives us the authority just to clear the buildings, period,
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and so that our objective is to be one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
But if not, I just don't want this situation to
drag on.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Right now, when we come back with Mark Kaufman will
drill down deeper on his plan next step plan to
take back these apartment complexes in order to get into
the issue of the cooperation of people living there. Because
my bed is you'll never get any for good reason,
right because any person in the right mind to be
terrified of these gangs if they're living in there. We'll
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come back. Mark Kaufman's so kind to spend time with us.
You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
Local police confirmed the Venezuelan gang trend de ar Agua
is committing quote isolated crimes in the areas they put it.
Is this something that you need to take more seriously.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Oh, we've taken it very seriously.
Speaker 11 (29:06):
Weeks ago, I convene in the city of Aurora with
the state and federal government. Look, it is completely illegal
in Colorado to take over and occupy a building, and
Aurora police departments on the front lines if they need
our help. I've told the mayor, I've told the police
department the state is ready to assist your police department
if it's above and beyond your.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Capabilities to do that.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
If the people alleging this have more evidence, please bring
it forward, give it to Aurora Police department.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
The State of Colorado takes these.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Gud turn that officer if the people alleging this have
more evidence and to see an End's credit. In that
same interview, they confronted him on hey, you're saying this
is a figment of the imagination of a councilwoman. And
then he kind of weaseled around that, Well, we have
the mayor here, Mayor Kaufman with us right here, and Mayor,
you've established this is really happening. And is the governor
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telling the truth? Is he come to you and said,
you want to.
Speaker 12 (29:56):
Quite a few conversations with the governor on this issue. Well,
you know, I think it's I think you missed. I
let me tell you what I think he was trying
to say.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
But didn't say it. Uh.
Speaker 12 (30:08):
And I'll give him credit uh for his conversations with
me anyway. I think he certainly realizes the significance of
this issue because we've had discussions on that that topic.
I think he's been instrumental and uh providing state law
enforcement resources uh uh to this issue and and uh
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and being an advocate for us in terms of federal
law enforcement resources.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
He has been Uh, he's been good in that regard.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
I think he's concerned that that the damaging economic effect
if this is exaggerated, uh, and so I think that's
a legitimate concern. But I think that he misspoke uh
in that context by saying that it's it's imaginary.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It certainly is not imaginary.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Mark Kaufman kind enough to be with. We've been talking
earlier about the video now that has really captured America's attention,
and it's so terrifying showing what's reported to be Venezuelan
gang members with these large weapons terrorizing an apartment complex.
And the issue came up as to whether there's a
Second Amendment right for them, And and mister mayor, what's
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your understanding there.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
We know that.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think just last week a federal appeals court out
of New Orleans found that illegal migrants do not have
gun rights protected by the Second Amendment. But you made
a different point about legal status.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
Yeah, such a great in my view, it's a I
mean my view it much broader in terms of who
I see as illegal. But that to this administration's view,
a federal gunman's view, they have a fairly expansive definition
as to what's legal.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
That if in fact, you could.
Speaker 12 (31:51):
You can walk across the border, you can get arrested,
you can then say you want political asylum, they give
you humanitarian parole pending your court date to adjudicate your claim.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Which could be way out there. Uh, and you you
know you're legal I was.
Speaker 12 (32:08):
I go out with police every now and then on
different patrols, and so I was out there one night
where in District one on Colfax we run Colfax and
there was a nice car to our front that didn't
have license plates, and pulled it over. And the person
didn't obviously didn't speak English. I can speak Spanish. And
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he didn't have a license, he didn't have obviously registration insurance.
All he had was a little shit of paper with
his picture on the upper left hand corner and a
court date.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
That was his identification.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
So under Biden and Harris, you enter the country legally,
then you're handed a piece of paper that makes you
legal indefinitely. Here but a quick follow up questions, mister mayor,
we have about a minute left for all you have
a plan now, you have a backup plan to reclaim
these apartment complexes that have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs.
(33:09):
Please let folks know it well.
Speaker 12 (33:10):
I think, first of all, our police are being you know,
not only that or other law enforcement partners, giving one
hundred percent of this inside the building, door to door,
trying to root the bad guys out. However, simultaneously we
are going to do an emergency order through our municipal
court to shut these buildings down as criminal nuisances under
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the Criminal Nuisance Ordinance. If we think that that's necessary
at at the time, I just don't want to wait
for that, right, you know, And so I think it's
important to press both issues simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And what if I mean, if if we feel that these.
Speaker 12 (33:52):
Buildings are one hundred percent secure prior to the court
granting us this authority, that's fine. But if not, then
unfortunately we've got have to shut the buildings down. What
means moving everybody out of the buildings to regain control.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Which is the way we'll end today, Which is the
question of wait a second, Okay, Polish said he wants
to help, but isn't there at least some chance that
police put these people in Aurora to begin with? I mean,
Aurora made it clear it did not want to be
part of housing migrants. Then all of a sudden, somebody
from the outside forced all these migrants into these complexes
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in Aurora.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So who did it?
Speaker 12 (34:31):
So we're going to do an investigation because I think
it's so important to know that. It's so important to
because what we know now is that whenever you have
a concentration of these migrants, the criminality can very well follow.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I think I think you just assumed that criminal is
going to follow. And so I asked the governor yesterday.
I said about I said, don't send anymore. He said
he didn't send any So.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
We're going to find out. Thank you for being here.
I know how busy you are. Let's continue the conversation.
Mayor Mike Kaufman of Aurora, thank you Ryan for your
great job. Today is always Kelly, the human ray of sunshine.
Have a tremendous, tremendous Labor Day weekend, and we'll be
back on Tuesday. Join us then on the Dan Kapla Show.
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single day on your favorite podcast platform. Maryor Mike Kaufman
joins us at five thirty six. This is now an
enormous national story, and it's a focus point of the
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presidential race because the video, and I'm sure you've seen
it now of these criminals, you know, with these weapons
taking over this Aurora apartment complex and busting into this apartment,
et cetera. This just makes very real for people the
horror caused in America by Kamala Harris's failure.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
At the border.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
So it is a focal point now of the presidential race,
which is why presumably you have poll us out there
lying about it, saying essentially it's Danielle Jurinsky's imagination and
you know, the flax media flax for the left out
there trying to downplay it. It is a extraordinarily serious
and it's capturing the attention of America for obvious, very
(01:05):
good reasons. So Mark Kaufman with us at five point
thirty six to talk about that, and please to remember
it was a month ago on this show that I
was talking to Mark Kaufman about the problems they were
having in Aurora because of large numbers of folks coming
in through the southern border from Venezuela. And then he
he's stung me by making the comment that their entire
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blocks in Aurora that have been taken over and that
the city's trying to reclaim street by street and block
by block.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
In a the what you know is we have areas
in our city, unfortunately, that have been overtaken and that
we have to take back three by street, block by block.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Imagine that in America. And again that's why it's becoming
a big deal in the presidential race. Here's President Trump
commenting on it today.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Today.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Did you see that, Well, Venezuelan gang members have taken
over parts of the city, They've taken over apartment houses.
Because these stupid people that we have leading our country
are allowing these people, these criminals to come to come
into our country, and we're going to get them the
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hell out of here.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
And this is just the beginning.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Why do you see what happens?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Why do you see what they're doing. Yeah, that the
video and the taking over these apartment complexes the mayor
will talk about, and then these poor people who are
terrorized in there being Venezuelan immigrants here, and then the
immigrants have to pay these criminals the money. It's it's just,
it's so opposite of what America is in America is
(02:48):
supposed to be. And you have many Americans across party
lines who do not want to lose their country. They
have plenty of Americans Democrats on affiliated's Republicans who are saying, no,
people fought and died, my parents, my grandparents, they built
this country, and we are not just going to turn
(03:08):
this country over to people who decide to come in illegally.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And you know, so it's a.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Very powerful sentiment in America cross party lines. It is
not anti immigrant, not at all. That's never been who
we are. No good American could be anti immigrant. It's
anti illegal immigrants. It's above all anti illegal immigrants who
come here and then commit other crimes. And no matter
what percentage it is, and I hapen to think it's
(03:36):
relatively small percentage, it one is too many, and it
happens to be large enough numbers to kill many in
America and wreak havoc, and we just can't have it.
That's why in a CBS poll in early summer, you
had about two thirds who supported mass deportations. So at
this video now surfacing in our Aurora, you can be
(03:58):
sure that the Trump's going to stay focused on this.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
So MARYK.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Kaufman with us at five point thirty six to talk
about it, and as we touched briefly, I want to
get back to texting calls. As we touched briefly on
the the extraordinary disappointment last night. I mean, it's not surprised, right,
it predicted it would come down the way it did.
But Dana Bash is a talented journalist, and she made
(04:22):
a conscious decision last night to forfeit her credentials as
a journalist and act instead as a flack for the
Harris campaign. And so she did what I predicted, and
she asked some tough questions that were really meaningless because
she never followed up when Harris lied or evaded. And
so it really last night it deprived America. It deprived
(04:44):
America of a full opportunity to see who Kamala Harris
really is. And that was Dana Bash's mission was to
deprive America of that opportunity because Dana Bash, almost the
entire media wants Trump to lose, and if people can
who Kamala Harris really is, then Trump is certain to win.
And so last night was a real disservice to the
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American people. What was so interesting to me, and I
won't play the sound again right now because we have
other stuff to cover, is the way she did go
after Walls, and then Walls, as you know, came out
and he lied, he lied. She teed it up for him,
just how all he had to do was admitt he misspoke.
He wouldn't do that, He claimed it was bad grammar. Well,
guess what the people, working people everywhere, working people in
(05:29):
the Upper Midwest, I know in particular growing up in Chicago,
Ryan and Michigan, value the truth. It's a core value.
It's what people build their lives around. And when a
guy like Walls, who pretends to be mister workingman and
mister Midwest comes out and he lies to you like
that and says, oh no, saying he carried a weapon
of war in a war zone, that's when he was
(05:49):
at war. That's poor grammar that just insults people's intelligence.
And I'll tell you what, and you know this to
be true. I'm sure that on average, if you take
a big old group of working people and you take
a big old group of rich people, the big old
group of working people is going to be as smart
or smarter, and then you're going to have a bunch
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of other explanations for why people are in different circumstances
in life. And so when you then say to working people,
oh no, that was just bad grammar, first of all,
you're violating their core value of honesty. Second, you're insulting
their intelligence. So what was interesting to me last night
when Bash did go after Walls and stayed on him
(06:34):
to a point, not enough, but to a point pointing
out other lives of his, is that she's trying to
run him out of the race. The Left has not
given up on running Walls out of the race, and
that concerns me because we need Walls as part of
the ticket. We don't need Harris replacing Walls with Shapiro. Anyway,
(06:56):
let me get back to some of these great text
Texter Dan got disagree. Have you heard the ad produced
by rfk's running mate it's hilarious, Mike and Henderson. I
have seen and heard that ad. It is brilliant. If
we don't err it today, well, Eric Monday, we are
so busy today. But let me play that Trump ad
again in case you weren't here when we played it earlier.
It is by far the best ad produced yet by
(07:17):
the Trump campaign, and they produced some good ones. And
this spins off of Harris in the BackRub last night
claiming that, oh no, my values have not changed.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, all these other positions she claims have changed, and
they really haven't. But she her cover story for that
is all my values have not changed. And the Trump
campaign brilliantly took advantage to that of that to say, yeah,
so she's going to do all those awful things that
she told you before she was going to do.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
My values have not changed. Here's red meat, specifically, Yes
of Boston Marathon bomber they to vote.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I think we should have that conversation.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Abolish ice, Yes, would you ban off shore drilling?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (07:58):
I'm in favorite banning frack. I am prepared to pass
agreeing to deal, and I support a mandatory buyback program.
We're not going to treat people who are undocumented borders, criminals.
The idea that more police equals more safety, that's just wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Policing as we know, goes all the way back to
slave patrols and that idea.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yes, you are absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Where do you stand on defund the police?
Speaker 7 (08:18):
We need to take a look at these budgets?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Do you ban plastic straws? And I wish a seventy
to eighty percent tax rate.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Chipping now to the Minnesota Freedom Fund. How dare we
speak Merry Christmas?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I am rad.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I do believe that we need to get radical about
what we are doing over a.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Wow, So that's a sixty. That's going to be real expensive.
But hopefully they can raise the money and they can
run that on a loop in Swing States Ate five
five four zero five eight two five five text d
A N five seven seven thirty nine, Mayor Mike Kaufman
at five point thirty six. And one of the questions
we'll ask them are is, Hey, why aren't these apartment
complexes that have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs been
(08:57):
flooded with police? And don't blame that? Great men and
women in blue and Aura for this. But why haven't
they been flooded with police from day one? This cannot
be allowed to exist. So good of the mayor to
come in and he'll be here at five thirty six. Dan,
please ask my Kaufman if being a sanctuary state has
anything to do with the situation. I will certainly are
(09:18):
these illegals being turned over to ICE? I will certainly
ask the mayor that, Dan, what will happen when Trump wins?
It was a mostly peaceful riot. That's a good question.
Believe me. I am not in any way, shape or
form declaring this race over. I'm just pointing out that,
as I predicted, you know, Harris's peaked, and now things
are starting to turn in Trump's favor, earlier than I
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thought they would, but starting to turn in Trump's favor
to the point where Nate Silver, who does not come
from the right on well it's not five thirty eighty,
sold that to ABC, but his own separate Nate's Silver blog,
has now moved Trump into a six point five lead.
Now that doesn't mean Trump has a six zo point
five lead in any particular polls, but what it means is,
(10:04):
as Nate Silver does his analysis and part of it
includes polls, and part includes other dynamics and historical trends,
et cetera. He as of today says that there's about
a six to seven point greater chance that Trump wins
the presidency. Now, just a few days ago he had
at about sixty forty in Harris's favor, So expect this
(10:26):
to jump all over the place, whether that's Nate trying
to get more attention for his blog, trying to manipulate
things politically, or whether it's a straight up analysis. As
of today, he has Trump more likely to win the
race in the trend line right now for lots of reasons.
Very good for Trump eight f five for zero five
eight two five five in number. When we come back,
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leading into Mayor Kaufman joining us in what has become
a big issue in the presidential race, which is the
takeover of apartment complexes in Aurora by Venezuelan gangs. Here
on the Dan Kapla Show, and.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast Your.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Residence, Cindy Romero counselwoman Jorensky, who has been amazing. My
first conversation with her, she said, she said, do you
still live there?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
And I said yes, And she said, I'm going to
get you out of there. Wow, I'm not going to
make it my work.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
So you're singing her praises. In the meantime, the office
of Governor Jared Paulus is saying she's making all of
this up.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Listen to what a spokesman said.
Speaker 9 (11:30):
According to police intelligence, this purported invasion, I guess of
these apartment buildings is largely a feature of Danielle Jurinsky's imagination.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
What do you say to that.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
You can't fake video and poulis within the last five
minutes on that property.
Speaker 9 (11:48):
Wow, here's what daniel min is. Here's what Danielle said
about I'll listen to this.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I absolutely did.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Not make any of this up.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
I love that is how our governor has quickly rushed
in to say that that's the actual problem here. But
the actual problem here are his weak policies that have
turned this state into a breeding ground for this gang activity.
Speaker 9 (12:19):
Sidney, why do you think the Governor's office has got
its head stuck firmly in the sand over this issue.
Speaker 8 (12:27):
They don't want to admit that they're part of the problem.
It's the administration who we count on to make the
rules for us, to make the guidelines that we go by.
I call nine to one one, No help comes for me.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
No help.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
There's no mess amounts of police that show up to
make sure that we're defended.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Nobody showed up to help me.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
I didn't have a bulletproof vest I didn't have five
officers showing up with me. Whenever there was a problem,
we were on our own and we were left to die.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Wow, you should have no.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
Registration in this country.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
And we should point out that the scenes that you're
seeing on the right hand side of the screen there,
those were taken from Cindy's ring doorbell or video doorbell
while she was inside her apartment.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You can imagine what it was.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Hey, bro, can you take us into CNN? They've got
polus on it and they just threw up a headline.
Speaker 10 (13:24):
Is this something that you need to take more seriously?
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Oh, we take it very seriously.
Speaker 11 (13:30):
Weeks ago, I convened the City of Aurora with the
state and federal government. Look, it is completely illegal in
Colorado to take over and occupy a building and a
lot of police departments on the front lines if they
need our help. I've told the mayor I've told the
police department, the state is ready to assist your police
department if it's above and beyond your capabilities to do that.
If the people alleging this have more evidence, please bring
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it forward, give it to Aurora Police Department. The State
of Colorado takes these kinds of threats very seriously.
Speaker 10 (13:59):
Then, looking back on this statement about according to police intelligence,
this purported invasion is largely a feature of a particular
council woman's imagination. How are you reflecting on that?
Speaker 11 (14:11):
Oh, if there is a building that was taken over
by gangs, the state would assist the Aurora Police Department
in taking it back within moments. So all we await
is a call from Aurora saying there's any building in
the control of any gang and we are ready to
help take it back. That call has not happened because
Aurora Police does not currently believe or they haven't told us,
that there's any buildings in control of gangs.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Can we still on this show?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
He's about to see it in five.
Speaker 11 (14:33):
Minutes facilit illegally in all fifty states, and Colorado is
a zero tolerance policy. And I hope that the city
of Aurora, which is controlled by Republicans, Republican mayor Republican
city council. I hope they also have a zero tolerance
policy to this kind of law breaking if it's occurring
within their borders.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
I do want to make a turn. This is a
very different topic, I think one.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That can bail out of it. It's just so polish.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And the fact that this guy's governor of Colorado, because
think about Colorado, whether somebody is a Democrat or Republican
or whatever, you know, the ethic of Colorado. The West
right is supposed to be a stand up You tell
the truth, you stand by what you say. If you're wrong,
you then admit it. The guy is so weasily, so weasily.
I mean, he's the guy who came out and said, no,
this is a fig a figment of Danielle Chirinsky's imagination.
(15:22):
Oh wait a second. Mark Kaufman is on the record.
He said it on the show, and he's going to
say it on the show again in about nine minutes.
That no, we have apartment complexes that have been taken
over by Venezuelan gangs. Police knows it's true, but he
lies about it because it's happened in his state, right,
and credit to see an n credit to see an
end for confronting him on it. And then of course
(15:46):
he lies again.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
He's the worst. He just says, well, if there's a problem,
they haven't called us, they haven't told us about it,
so there must not be a problem.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah. But credit credit to CNN for calling him out
on hey saying it's a figment of the imagination.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
If do you stand by that?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And then how police weaseled around that?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, So Mary Kaufman joins us at five thirty six,
and he will talk about what he talked about on
my show back on July thirty first.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
But what you know is we have areas in our city,
unfortunately that have been overtaken and that we have to
take back three by street, block by block.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, so Polus knows it's real, he knows it's happening,
and he goes out and he denigrates this councilwoman that
way by essentially telling people she's lying. Oh, it's a
figment of her imagination. And then credit to CNN for
confronting him. Now they had him on, you know, to
do his flag thing for Harris and everything else, but
they brought it up and confronted him on it good
(16:47):
for CNN eight y five or zero five eight two
five five the number bad for CNN. What happened last night?
That was a grave disservice to the American people when
when they went out and they protected Harris, and they
had an opportunity to show the people who she really is,
what she really stands for, how she can handle tough questions,
and they decided to serve as a flack for her.
(17:07):
And again it's a disservice to the American people. Let
him see who she really is and make an informed decision.
But what they're admitting is she's not qualified, she's not
capable of doing the job. And that's why they had
to protect her by first of all, not asking the
follow up questions when she evaded or lied. But second Ryan,
where's the rest of the interview? The interview that aired
(17:28):
was twenty eight minutes, They sat down for an hour.
Where's the rest of the interview? Where's the transcript? So
just just a grave dis service last night. Coming up
next Mayor Mike Kaufman of Aurora, and what he's going
to tell you is, no, it is true that apartment
complexes have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs, even though
Jared Pola says it's a figment of Councilwoman Jurinsky's imagination.
(17:53):
And then we'll talk to Mary Kaufman about, Okay, you
know what can be done? This obviously can't be tolerated,
What can be done, Why hasn't it been done already?
And we'll get very concrete about what is the fix there,
because this isn't America. It cannot be America. It cannot
be the new normal in America. That we know for sure,
across party lines we know, which is why it's becoming
(18:14):
a flashpoint in the presidential race because this video is
national now. People don't want that as the future of America.
That's why Jared Polus is lying and saying that's really
not happening, because it knows it hurts Democrats so much
because it's democrats, it's Kamala Harris, Democrats like Kim who
want that border open. Mark Kaufman next on The Dan
Kaplis Show.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
What you know is we have areas in our city,
unfortunately that have been overtaken and that we have to
take back street by street.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Block by block privileged to have or is Mayor Mike
Kaufman in studio with us right now? This is big
national story, as you know, mister Maren. In fact, President
Trump addressed it today amazingly as we were waiting for
you to come in.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
We're on live.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
In our last segment, Governor Polis shows up on CNN
and CNN starts, to their credit, they start grilling him
on way a second. Governor, you say that this story
that Venezuela and gangs are taking over apartment complexes in
Aurora is a figment of a councilwoman's imagination. Do you
stand by that, Governor? And then he weaseled around that.
(19:30):
But let's start our time together today with is this
a figment of Danielle Jerinsky's imagination or is it really happening?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, that's not a fact my imagination. So that.
Speaker 12 (19:45):
There are several buildings that are problematic that where there
is a concentration of Veezuelan migrants, and I think you know,
when you have a concentration of venezuel and migrants, sometimes
that criminal element follows, and I think that's what happened here.
(20:05):
So the interesting thing is the City of Aurora and
council supported me. I did everything we could to stay
out of this migrant crisis. We said at the beginning
that we would spend no tax dollars unlike Denver, and
(20:27):
went step further and said we would not be a
conduit to federal or state resources coming down to provide assistance,
because I just felt that at that time that you
know that there would be lots of legacy type costs,
and you know we would never be compensated for it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And I disagreed with federal policy at the border, and
I think.
Speaker 12 (20:50):
That that accepting them would acquiesce to what's going on
in the border. And so what happened was you had
this mass, a wave of migrants coming up from Venezuela,
and Venezuela is essentially.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
A failed state.
Speaker 12 (21:07):
I mean you the police there or their only job
is to defend the dictatorship. It's not to protect the
people from crime, so criminal and the economies creators, so
criminality is just rampant down there. And so I think
you which you had with that wave of immigration, and
you have the country of Venezuela that does not cooperate
(21:31):
as other countries do with US Immigration Services when it
comes to criminal history. So I don't know what was
done to vet people at the border. But when you
have a policy, to me, what's what, it's such a
gray area what's legal what's illegal? Because you can today
under this administration, walk across the border illegally, get arrested, uh,
(21:55):
declare that you want to apply for political asylum, get
what's called humanitarian prolled into the country, and your court
date is way out there, who knows when.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Years to get it adjudicated.
Speaker 12 (22:08):
And to end, you're not allowed to work for six
You can't apply for a work permit for six months.
This is not like the immigration we've had, and I'm
a real pro legal immigration. We have one of the
most diverse communities in the Colorado.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, you did all these things right to try to
stop this from coming to Aurora. So how did all
these people end up in Aura?
Speaker 12 (22:27):
Well, I'm trying to walk it back, and what I
think has happened was this. I think this is the
This is these properties all belong to the same owner,
and he's an out of state owner. Quite frankly, it
is its lumlord. He let us properties deteriorate. I think
they had a reasonable high vacancy rate, and he has
(22:47):
really cheap rents as a result of that. And so
what I think is that a federal government or state government,
one of the two went to some of our local
nonprofits and offer this guy ideal, said, you know, we'll
pay you guarantee.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
For so many months you take them in.
Speaker 12 (23:07):
And then and then you had this concentration of Venezuela
migrants in there, and I think the criminal element followed,
and they and the criminal elements tend to exploit its
own within its own community. So I think that's you know, here,
here's a city that did its best to stay out
of this. Can they get ended up getting stuck with
the worst of it?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
How did these folks end up in a rord to
begin with?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Though?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Were they shipped there by Denver or did they go.
Speaker 12 (23:34):
You know, I think that's one thing we got to
look at. Was it you know, was Denver somehow, I
hope not complicit in this? Was a stay complicit in this?
I think, if I had to bet, I guess probably
federal government, you know, whether it's FEMA.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I don't know who it was. Uh, you know that
they went of.
Speaker 12 (23:55):
Our nonprofits got a contract with them, didn't go through
the city we're not aware of and place them in
the in these with this one owners and the problem
resides really with his one owner and his properties.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
How many apartment complexes at this point have been taken
over by these Venezuelan gangs.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Several they're three, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And then when you were with us in July thirty
first you talked about how there are are blocks in
Aurora that have to be taken back block Bible.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think what I was referring to there is a
different kind of crime, you know.
Speaker 12 (24:27):
Unfortunately, I'm really focused on the Kofeci Quodor, which is
which is a kind of it's unfortunately a high crime area,
and these things are very close within the vicinity. Really,
I would consider part of the Quarridor. When I was
a kid growing up, it was the central business district
for the city, you know, really vibrant, really exciting, you know,
and all retail pretty much mostly retail. And the problem
(24:52):
is is that it's those buildings are still there, the
same buildings when I was a kid, only they're vacant
or they're marginally used.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I'm working to redevelop the area.
Speaker 12 (25:00):
But what you have, uh, is you got a lot
of drug dealing, prostitution and homelessness in that area.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And getting back to the Venezuelan gangs taking over these
apartment complex is a common question we get on the show.
I'm sure you get all the time. Is is obviously,
I mean you're you're a guy who put your life
on this line for this country and serving in the
military in Iraq. So you know better than we than
anybody that this can't be tolerated for one hour in America.
(25:26):
It's so opposite who we are. So why has this
been allowed to continue?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
For either not allowed? But sorry? What we have take
you to?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I know you've been on the round every time I
walk through my lobby, I see you on one national
news show.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
I mean, we've got police officers inside these buildings, go
to door to door.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I think the difficulty is is.
Speaker 12 (25:51):
It's all you know, It's like, if you want to
compare it to a military situation, it's counterinsurgency. And so
the challenge that when I was in Iraq that we
had was that the insurgents would would could fall back
into the population, right, and so that's why the it's
it's so key to have.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Uh, the support of these.
Speaker 12 (26:14):
People that are intimidated by them and not cooperative right now.
But we there's a backup plan that I have, uh
that I put on my Facebook page this afternoon and
essentially that I hope it doesn't come to this, but
it might.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I mean, we're gonna go.
Speaker 12 (26:31):
We're we're gonna file uh in our own municipal court
for a emergency order uh to its essentially shut the
building down, shut these building downs under a criminal nuisance ordinance.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
But we're we made some key rest so far.
Speaker 12 (26:52):
We were wrestled a very significant gang leader, uh this
so far and uh, and so we're continuing to work
in that way.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
But I got to have this. This is kind of
like a backstop.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, maror Mike Coffman kind enough to be with us
when we come back from this break. I want to
deep dive the fix, right because everybody listening, that's what
they're focused on, is wait a second, this can't be
allowed to exist in America? What is the fix? But
before we hit this break, question on everybody's mind as
they're listening is wait a second, we've got these video
you can see these guys. Is we're able to identify
(27:27):
these criminals walking around with these weapons. Are arrests being made.
Speaker 12 (27:31):
Well, we're absolutely looking for them, I think. And one
of the challenges that we have under our legal system,
under our criminal justice system, right or wrong, is you
have to catch them doing something wrong. I think for
those it's clear that they want something wrong. Yeah, they're
pounding on that door. They had weapons, although you know
the Second Amendment rights apply to every resident I think
(27:54):
in this country. But you know, intimidating. They're clearly intimidating somebody.
So there's a basis there. But you know, we're the
question is this can we be one hundred percent before
the court gives us the authority just to clear the buildings, period,
(28:15):
and so that our objective is to be one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
But if not, I just don't want this situation to
drag on.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Right now, when we come back with Mark Kaufman will
drill down deeper on his plan next step plan to
take back these apartment complexes in order to get into
the issue of the cooperation of people living there. Because
my bed is you'll never get any for good reason,
right because any person in the right mind to be
terrified of these gangs if they're living in there. We'll
(28:42):
come back. Mark Kaufman's so kind to spend time with us.
You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
Local police confirmed the Venezuelan gang trend de ar Agua
is committing quote isolated crimes in the areas they put it.
Is this something that you need to take more seriously.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Oh, we've taken it very seriously.
Speaker 11 (29:06):
Weeks ago, I convene in the city of Aurora with
the state and federal government. Look, it is completely illegal
in Colorado to take over and occupy a building, and
Aurora police departments on the front lines if they need
our help. I've told the mayor, I've told the police
department the state is ready to assist your police department
if it's above and beyond your.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Capabilities to do that.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
If the people alleging this have more evidence, please bring
it forward, give it to Aurora Police department.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
The State of Colorado takes these.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Gud turn that officer if the people alleging this have
more evidence and to see an End's credit. In that
same interview, they confronted him on hey, you're saying this
is a figment of the imagination of a councilwoman. And
then he kind of weaseled around that, Well, we have
the mayor here, Mayor Kaufman with us right here, and Mayor,
you've established this is really happening. And is the governor
(29:53):
telling the truth? Is he come to you and said,
you want to.
Speaker 12 (29:56):
Quite a few conversations with the governor on this issue. Well,
you know, I think it's I think you missed. I
let me tell you what I think he was trying
to say.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
But didn't say it. Uh.
Speaker 12 (30:08):
And I'll give him credit uh for his conversations with
me anyway. I think he certainly realizes the significance of
this issue because we've had discussions on that that topic.
I think he's been instrumental and uh providing state law
enforcement resources uh uh to this issue and and uh
(30:28):
and being an advocate for us in terms of federal
law enforcement resources.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
He has been Uh, he's been good in that regard.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
I think he's concerned that that the damaging economic effect
if this is exaggerated, uh, and so I think that's
a legitimate concern. But I think that he misspoke uh
in that context by saying that it's it's imaginary.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It certainly is not imaginary.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Mark Kaufman kind enough to be with. We've been talking
earlier about the video now that has really captured America's attention,
and it's so terrifying showing what's reported to be Venezuelan
gang members with these large weapons terrorizing an apartment complex.
And the issue came up as to whether there's a
Second Amendment right for them, And and mister mayor, what's
(31:22):
your understanding there.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
We know that.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think just last week a federal appeals court out
of New Orleans found that illegal migrants do not have
gun rights protected by the Second Amendment. But you made
a different point about legal status.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
Yeah, such a great in my view, it's a I
mean my view it much broader in terms of who
I see as illegal. But that to this administration's view,
a federal gunman's view, they have a fairly expansive definition
as to what's legal.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
That if in fact, you could.
Speaker 12 (31:51):
You can walk across the border, you can get arrested,
you can then say you want political asylum, they give
you humanitarian parole pending your court date to adjudicate your claim.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Which could be way out there. Uh, and you you
know you're legal I was.
Speaker 12 (32:08):
I go out with police every now and then on
different patrols, and so I was out there one night
where in District one on Colfax we run Colfax and
there was a nice car to our front that didn't
have license plates, and pulled it over. And the person
didn't obviously didn't speak English. I can speak Spanish. And
(32:31):
he didn't have a license, he didn't have obviously registration insurance.
All he had was a little shit of paper with
his picture on the upper left hand corner and a
court date.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
That was his identification.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
So under Biden and Harris, you enter the country legally,
then you're handed a piece of paper that makes you
legal indefinitely. Here but a quick follow up questions, mister mayor,
we have about a minute left for all you have
a plan now, you have a backup plan to reclaim
these apartment complexes that have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs.
(33:09):
Please let folks know it well.
Speaker 12 (33:10):
I think, first of all, our police are being you know,
not only that or other law enforcement partners, giving one
hundred percent of this inside the building, door to door,
trying to root the bad guys out. However, simultaneously we
are going to do an emergency order through our municipal
court to shut these buildings down as criminal nuisances under
(33:37):
the Criminal Nuisance Ordinance. If we think that that's necessary
at at the time, I just don't want to wait
for that, right, you know, And so I think it's
important to press both issues simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And what if I mean, if if we feel that these.
Speaker 12 (33:52):
Buildings are one hundred percent secure prior to the court
granting us this authority, that's fine. But if not, then
unfortunately we've got have to shut the buildings down. What
means moving everybody out of the buildings to regain control.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Which is the way we'll end today, Which is the
question of wait a second, Okay, Polish said he wants
to help, but isn't there at least some chance that
police put these people in Aurora to begin with? I mean,
Aurora made it clear it did not want to be
part of housing migrants. Then all of a sudden, somebody
from the outside forced all these migrants into these complexes
(34:29):
in Aurora.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So who did it?
Speaker 12 (34:31):
So we're going to do an investigation because I think
it's so important to know that. It's so important to
because what we know now is that whenever you have
a concentration of these migrants, the criminality can very well follow.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I think I think you just assumed that criminal is
going to follow. And so I asked the governor yesterday.
I said about I said, don't send anymore. He said
he didn't send any So.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
We're going to find out. Thank you for being here.
I know how busy you are. Let's continue the conversation.
Mayor Mike Kaufman of Aurora, thank you Ryan for your
great job. Today is always Kelly, the human ray of sunshine.
Have a tremendous, tremendous Labor Day weekend, and we'll be
back on Tuesday. Join us then on the Dan Kapla Show.
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