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November 17, 2025 36 mins
Victor Marx joins Sheriff Steve Reams, in for Dan, for three full segments. Among the topics discussed: Marx's stance on issues, answers on questions regarding his background - including military service, whether or not he was held prisoner in the United Arab Emirates, retelling his story of a stepfather ordering him to kill a man, and confirming that a man who tried to kill him in a dispute was indeed his brother-in-law.

Rep Lori Garcia Sander (R-65) also joins the program.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the Dan Caplas Show. And today you have
welcoming share Steve Riems still and as your guest host.
It's always a pleasure to be down here taking the
reins for Dan, and we've got a jam packed show today.
If you've been following me on Facebook or any other socials,
you'll know that we have a very special guest scheduled
for right now, so I just want to get right
into the show. We have a governor's candidate on with us.

(00:37):
Many of you have seen his face pop up here
very recently. His name is Victor Marx. Victor. How are you, Victor?
Do we have you?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Hey? Doing great? Thanks for having me on brother.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
You bet, sir. It was a pleasure to get to
meet you in person down in Pueblo, but obviously we
didn't get to talk a lot just because of the
way those events go. But hopefully we can kind of
flesh out a little bit of your campaign here. I
know you're wrong with Dan Kaplis. About a week ago,
you guys did a lot of background story, So I'm
going to dig a little bit more into. Hey, let's
just get right into some of this policy talk, and

(01:13):
then maybe if we have some time, we can go
back to some of the backstory towards the end of
the interview. But I want to dive right in on
something that's very personal to me, and that's public safety.
You mentioned some of this when you were down in Pueblo,
but tell the listeners where do you stand on the
issue of public safety in Colorado.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, I think you'd agree with me that if there's
not a level of safety where the average person can
feel good, whether the home or their work or traveling,
it's everything else is going to fall short. The crime
is out of control in the state. The nation sees it.

(01:55):
And my question for you, because you know, I was
on another show the other night and I brought your
name up, because you've got such a good reputation as
a lawless man agent and someone who's a leader. What
needs to happen in our state that can more reflect

(02:17):
what you've done over the last many years as a sheriff.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, I don't know who's interviewing who here, but I
will tell you that Republican values have been lost in
this state and we no longer hold criminals accountable. You know,
that's fundamentally where the problem is. I mean, we treat
criminals as if they're victims of the criminal justice system.
But as governor, how do you turn that around?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Well, we have to change the legislation. I can tell
you very personally from us. Recently, I was in court
with my daughter who had been attacked and sexually assaulted
in color Roll Springs broad daylight. The response time was
forty five minutes from Thorol Springs PD, which I don't
blame them, I blame poor leadership, lack of funding and

(03:03):
training for a good department. But the criminal who was
a registered TEX offender, who had had over twelve other
women come forward because my daughter was public and that
I think we were running on four felons need charges
different counts. The best they could do was him doing

(03:23):
the police bargains off for him three years. And as
we walked out of the court son my daughter seeing
firsthand how justice isn't always going to happen when there's
poortble leadership and bad legislation. I asked the prosecutors, man,
what else can we do? We get this criminal this

(03:46):
months more time? She simply said, change the legislation.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, that's definitely the start. Well, that's definitely we got
to let.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Law enforcement do their job. I've seen it. I've been
working with law enforcement for decades and I currently have
a task force called Protecting Children's Innocent. We find so
many more use it federal, state, and local in order
to find and help but criminals in jail justice with

(04:19):
long not just in arrest, but long term justice. And
what we've seen again and again and again is if
you don't have as you know, being a leader, if
you don't have that overwatch, you don't have people supporting
you in your role, it does, sadly put the handcuffs
on law enforcement instead of the tredials.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Victor, what was the name of that organization you said, again.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Protecting Children's Innocent paskforces?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Okay, what agencies have you worked with? Because quite frankly,
I haven't heard of that organization, but I'd be interested
to do some background.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, HSI Gainesville Police Department think we're in close to
sixty counties in Florida. It's yeah, and I tell you
it's sad that an independent organization has to come alongside
solid agencies to help fund, train, equip or like even

(05:18):
when we do right here at our Leadership Training Center
in Colorad Springs, we bring law enforcement in spend four
days helping them recoup, I mean, read, coop and regroup
their mind, their soul because whether it's an officer, detective, investigator,
prosecutor that has to look at child sexual abuse material

(05:38):
day after day after day just to try to get
one to guys, it affects their souls. So yeah, it's
all documented, and we do a lot of things under
the radar because well it's sometimes the best way is
to be a quiet professional. But we able to share
some things. And I'll tell you when I get in

(05:59):
my governor, see I said the other night, I can't
wait to get you up there and other top law
enforcement leadership, even if you're in a even if you
move over to your desire to be county commissioner, I
want to get guys in to get around table and
go what do we need to do now to make
the biggest difference, protect the people and create an environment

(06:22):
of safety and just a sense of heck, we need
to get people coming back for vacation.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
On that note, if you've been driving around the state,
you know you get people coming in for vacation. The
road conditions here in Colorado, you've been out traveling. What's
your take on fixing that? How does Colorado tackle our
crumbling infrastructure and how do you do that in the
governor seat.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Well, you know, I've had this. I've had consultants tell
me from other parts of the country, all from their advice, Well,
Victor Road, you know, taking care of the roads can't
be a big issue. I'm like, hey, I've been out
there in the county Visn't with people and driving on them.

(07:09):
It's a huge issue. Yeah, And it's simply like one
guy wrote me, he goes, what are you going to
do about the roads? I said, well, what do you
normally do? Who do you complain to in your county
or city? What we have to do is to be
able to get appropriate funding allocation key people accountable in
different departments for the funding they get and how do

(07:30):
they apply it, because again, it's such a huge as
deterrent for people wanting to come on vacation. Here, but
it's an absolute I mean painting a net to the
point of challenges with people who have injuries riding on
busted up roads. I can tell you that firsthand.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, I definitely I experienced some not so great roadways
driving from Weld County all the way down to Pueblo.
And I just want to remind the listeners we've got
governor's candidate, Victor Marks on with us right now, and
if you ask some questions you want to ask of him,
you can text into you can text the studio. Start
your text with Dan in five seven seventy three nine.
I'll try to weave these questions in as we go.

(08:10):
Still talking about the state here. You mentioned this when
you were down in Pueblo. Affordability is an issue for
citizens in Colorado in the governor's office, how do you
address that? What does that look like from the governor's seat.
To help make this state more affordable.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
As you know, the best thing the governor can do
with a bad legislation and people who don't want to
help as veto things that don't make sense. And second,
we've got to make small businesses be able to be
viable and lucrative. Again, the amount of penalties, the amount

(08:45):
of restrictions perment's being put on. It's horrible. And that's
the backbone a bity good and we have to bring
in all in gas. Yeah, my family comes from my
background on my brother's side of energy, and there's so
much potential income that could be generated and funded for
our state in a healthy way. And then when it

(09:08):
comes time to start building, oh, the time delays the permits. Again,
I'm talking from a personal standpoint, Steve. We're trying to
help a little piece of land that we were able
to buy and I can't believe the delays permits. The
last thing they did when we're just I mean, we're

(09:29):
ready to like, okay, we want our kids to move
here and we're trying to get them best we can,
and they're hesitant for a number of reasons. And they're like, well,
y'all going to get the state and bring it up.
And I agree. They're the ones who have our grandchildren.
So the last thing they did is here in a

(09:50):
Passo County, they just said, you've got to put together
and add a cistern, an underground sistern for each of
your lots. And I thought they said this is going
to roughly cost one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I'm like,
how does someone like me who's in ministry, And I mean,
I'll do all the jobs to make income, but how

(10:11):
do I afford an extra hundred and fifty thousand dollars? Sure,
you know, on lots. So that's just one example. And
I mean you're a big advocate of constant student rights
and Second Amendment. I have an FFL and they charged
me a permit for five hundred dollars this year just

(10:33):
for having that. That's never happened before. So again, you
take off the pome. In several areas, there's no magic wand,
but common sense in a lot of areas will make
the difference.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I got you. Hey, we got to take a break, Victor.
Will you stay with us for one more segment so
we can get into a little bit of that background
of yours?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yes, sure will.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
All right, So you're listening to Dan kapla show here
with well kind of shriff Steve reams. We have Victor
Marks on the line. Were to take a quick break
and we come back. We'll dive into a little bit
of his backstory, and you're going to find out just
how interesting this guy really is.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Stick with us and now back to the Dan Kaplis
Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show here with well
Kunty Sheriff Steve Riems as your guest host and on
the line with us as governor candidate Victor Marx. And
before we went to break, we were tackling some ideas
on policy, statewide policy and kind of where Victor was
coming at those different issues with and during the break
we were getting a few text messages coming in that Victor,

(11:32):
I want to just cover a few of them, but
I also want to give you a chance to tell
the listeners a little bit of your backstory, because it
is it's fascinating. I mean, you've got quite a history.
So one question coming in here that you've talked about
your military service. I think you talked about being in
the Marine Corps when you were on with Dan Caplis.
This is a real simple one. It just says, hey,

(11:53):
would he post a copy of his d D two
fourteen to social media or to his website just so
people will quit asking the question about is this military
service correct? You know, is it correct and all that stuff,
And that's an easy way to quiet that question. So
what do you think would you be willing to do that?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, the question is not only appropriate, it's correct when
I build out teams and hire people which have over
the years of hired hundreds as part of our selection
and qualification when they claim a military background, and oftentimes
there are people that simply cannot produce it, and that's
when it becomes a problem. So we're building out there's

(12:33):
been somewhat fun on the social media lately. Yeah, we've
decided to build out a Victor Marks debunked page and
we're going to just answer the reasonable civil you know,
questions to to quiet people down. Who are I would

(12:58):
say they're the kind of extreme ones or maybe their
motivations aren't pure, But it will help anybody who's sincere
and wanted to know that the best candidate going forward
to someone truly has, you know, a very trusted background.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah. I don't have a military background, so it's not
anything that I was ever asked, but I know candidates
in the past of you know, when they when they
have military service. That's like the easiest way to just cover.
Here's a copy of my d D two fourteen. Here's
here's how I discharged. So I guess that's just a
smart way of doing business in my opinion. So when
you were on with Capitalist, you were telling the background

(13:36):
of you know, how you grew up, some of the
abuse abuses you went through. And there's a story that
I'm aware of in your background when you were seven
years old. It involves being taken out into the country
by your stepdad and you didn't get to tell that
story when you were on with Dan, And I think
it's one that the listeners probably need to hear because
it's it's hugely impactful and as a person in law enforcement,

(13:58):
I got to tell you that that story kind of
shocks the conscience a little bit. So would you mind
sharing that with us?

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah? And you know, I trust sharing it with you
because hearing you of the night, I was able to
find that you have a pretty challenge background as well.
And you know, there's two groups of people, those who
suffered in a way that you don't talk about, and

(14:24):
then others who don't understand a level of abuse that
people are capable of. But I just want to say
this if I appreciate you, and I had asked some
folks that says has a good sheriff ever shared about
his past like he did the other night, and I

(14:44):
had some folks say never heard that. So I gained
a lot of respect for you. Being vulnerable. The incident
you're speaking of, we have to give contexts. My mother
married a pedal file who was also in counterintelligence in
the US Army, and he had spent time in Korea

(15:06):
and when he came back, he wasn't quite right. When
she married him, she had four children. I was the
youngest of the four. I was three years old, and
my mother had mental health issues and he took advantage
of that. So he was very abusive to each one

(15:27):
of us children. I don't speak for my siblings, but
they've shared what they want to share, and it's evil.
There's no other way to put it. And he ended
up going to prison. He was incarcerated in the state
of Alabama, and he escaped prison, fled the country. He

(15:51):
was never caught. He actually turned himself back in. He
said because of his two daughters that he wanted to
see my two half sisters. And I'm not sure the motivation,
but he finished his time out. And that's the whole
purpose of my story is I ended up meeting with him,

(16:16):
with my family and forgiving him of the evil. But
at seven years old, this was when he wanted me
not to be able to talk about the stuff he
had done to me. And unfortunately, as I could best
on a step of a seven year old, he had

(16:37):
a fellow in a little house waiting, and I think
he was going to let that man abuse me. But
once we got in there, the fellow said, I don't
want to do this anymore, and my stepfather said, hey,
that's not a problem. When the man relaxed, he hit
him and knocked him out. He handcuffed him because he

(16:59):
at the tom was a bounty runner, yeah Bellbotsman rather,
and he dragged him to a hole that was pre cut,
and he sat him on his knees, pulled out a
pistol that he carried, a little revolver that he had
put against my mother's head, which is documented and sad,
and he put it to his head and he said,

(17:21):
come here, bore, and then he put it in my hand.
He said, you're gonna shoot this man. And I didn't
want to to this day. It's a horrific thing to
take another person's life. But when you've been abused again
and again and again. You do get conditioned, so you

(17:42):
don't say no. You just sit there in fear. He
raised my hand up with the pistols. I tried to
pull the trigger. It didn't quite go. So he put
one hand on my wrist and his other finger wrapped
around the trigger, finger on top of mine, and he pushed.
I pulled, but he pushed the round and hit the
man on the back of his head. It killed him.

(18:04):
He swamped over on that wooden floor and blood was
pouring out, and then he wiped his hand and it
slapped it in my face and mouth like you would
when you kill your first deer. And he said, boy,
that's your first kill. Now, I never told anybody of
that because of fear, and the reason being, as he said,

(18:28):
or he wrapped that pistol in his handkerchief, and he said, boy,
if you ever tell anybody what I've done to you,
If you ever tell anybody, I know where the body's buried,
and I have the pistols with your fingerprint on it,
and you'll be arrested and then you'll be finished to
prison on electric chair. I'm seven years old.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Well, we got to hit. We're going to hit a
hard break here. If you want to stick around for
just a few more minutes, I can have you on
the other side and we'll finish that story. If you're
okay with it.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
I'll finish it and then I'll be glad to be
over that.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
All right, sounds good? Just stick with us, will You're
right back.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show here with Well
County Sheriff Steve Reims, and we have Victor Marx, candidate
for governor, on the line with us. When we went
to break Victor, you were finishing up the story that
had encompassed this tragic event when you were seven years old.
I know that you've told this story a few times,
you probably don't want to tell it very many more.
But you were just talking about how your stepdad had

(19:34):
taken the gun from you and was wrapping it in
a handkerchief to basically keep that as a piece of
evidence to hold over you. Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
That is? And you know I don't like talking about it.
When I was on the Shawn Ryan Show, before I
went in that interview, my wife and I'll be prayed
and I said, honey, should I just tell it all.
And she said, what have you got to lose? Sure,
you ain't got none to lose, and it can only

(20:05):
help people. So I did, and I know, I.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Know that's a heavy burden to carry, especially from the
age of seven. I just have to ask, from the
law enforcement perspective, have you gone back and tried to
work with law enforcement agencies and figure out what happened
and give some closure to that man or that man's family.
I mean, has there been any investigative efforts to try
to figure that out.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
He's sound like a true sheriff. And the answer is
just more out of guilt, sure, and not appropriate guilt.
But I talked to friends of mine in the FBI,
and then I went to the caraff of that county
and they just said, Sir, it's been decades and we

(20:51):
don't know who the victim was, and your father is
now a stepfather he's now and they just said, there's
no way we can. I gained best description I knew
as a seven year old man kind of look homeless
to me. But I did all I could, And you know,

(21:17):
it's the hardest things. I think some people, victims who've
been hurt and abused are going through tragedy. I call
it lies based in reality, where the threats are so real,
him saying he was going to call the police on
me as a kid. You just well, I mean, you

(21:40):
know it is. You compartmentalize things, and I didn't speak
a word of that. I think it's part of the
survival mechanism to just go compartmentalize, just don't think about
that stuff. But before God, I have a clear conscience
that a truy. The only reason why I bring up

(22:01):
my past because look, I was successful, we lived in Hawaii.
I had no benefit to bring up through the torture,
physical torch, I've been through the sexual abuse I had.
There was no personal gain or benefit for me to
bring this up. Sure, and you know it's I had

(22:23):
one hundred and twenty three visits to trounto specialist. But
I did it to help other people. Let them though,
you're not alone, those who suffered, those who suffered ancest abuse,
being beaten, even like you having to stand up in
the light of all it's just evil. It's the shame
was never yours and you shouldn't have to carry guilt

(22:44):
around for choices of adults. Oh, I think who've done
evil against you.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
So a couple of questions coming in. You know, obviously
people are going, well, hey, can I find this? And
I think you already said it was on the Sean
Ryan podcast from a while back, and that's where I
seen the show.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Another question, there's a there's a rumor floating out there
or a story floating out there that you may have
been in custody at some point with the United Arab immorates.
Is that even remotely factual or is there a story there?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
No, No, I today's the first day I've ever responded
to the rumor mail or gossip or just misinformation. And
I started my response but said, I apologize for laughing.
But the it's so sad, how so many people Now

(23:40):
I'm talking about people who are wanting to be in
the forest against me. It's either I'm not their candidate,
so they're gonna you know, I'm not a politician, so
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Well, you're a politician. Now you're running for office, you're
a politician. Now.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
No, I'm a leader who's running for a political office.
Ever be a politician, sir. And but I'm used to
real people trying to kill me or being in environments
where you know, decisions matter right from death for people
you're going to help. So the ue, that's a that's

(24:18):
a new one. He and Mark guys to the friend
of yours. We were laughing, Yeah, yesterday, I go every
day something to the stories are coming out and I, yeah,
I don't. I don't know where that one's from.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
One other question that came in, and I'll let you.
I'll let you get on your way. I know you're
traveling and doing other stuff. One other question. You told
a story about a person who tried to shoot you
at point blank range. And the question on that the
texture put in is was that your brother in law?

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Is that the relationship between the suspect and you?

Speaker 3 (24:50):
It is, And I've tried to be quiet to agree
about that because it's personal. It's still the court cases
going off. But it's almost like, you know, the Chris
Kyle situition. We were trying to help him. He was
on our property, inside of a trailer and when I

(25:11):
went to check on him, I knocked on the window
and he had a little pistol and boom, he shot
the first round and it was literally we measured at
thirty six inches from his barrel to my head and
missed me by one finger. I got a little bit
of trapnel because he hit the center of the frame
Liman frame. But yeah, the tragedy of that all that

(25:35):
was a twenty minute delay. I pulled a weapon. I
could have dropped the mag into that trailer. I didn't
know if he had my daughter or someone else sitting there,
so I waited, and it was a twenty minute delay
for the first office to arrival scene. Which again I'm
not blaming a Passer County Sheriff Department. I've gone down there,
I've helped train those guys. I love them, but it

(25:59):
is poor leadership from the top all the way down.
That won't fund, that won't equip, that won't train. I
waw enforce them the right way, to let them do
their job. So five and a half hours stand off,
I think there were four agencies. They here's the saddest
part of it all, not that teenth of my life.
But rather they belled him. They allowed him to beil out,

(26:23):
and I talked to the DA and I said, please
look back and forth with my rack or other areas.
This is my sanctuary. If you let him out, he's
someone who's intent on killing me because of drugs alcohol
are just evil And I said, please don't let him out.
They did, and his girlfriend is the one who bailed

(26:46):
him out. And do you know the saddest part of
all this is he ended up point blank again. He
had a shotgun and he blew her face off and
murdered her in California. And she's the one that build
them out. Now he's going to do life. And that's
why you started the show. Me and you and we

(27:08):
can lock arms. When I'm governor, we have to have
law and order in this state period. The gangs who
come in criminals, there has to be consequences so severe
that that, honestly they look underneath their bed for those
who are doing good because they're scared the death of

(27:30):
consequences for doing evil. So that's the first and most
important thing for a state. People don't feel safe, how
can they live a life of liberty and freedom? And
thank God for you fighting for our state for you know,
man being able to carry in second Amendment, that matters,
and I appreciate you done. I look forward to getting

(27:52):
to know you better.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Selection Yeah, we'll see each other along the campaign trail.
I'm sure, Victor. If people want to find more about you,
where the where do they look? What's your website?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well, Victor twenty twenty six dot com is our campaign
or Victor March dot com and can I can I
just end with this? Go for it? Or people? Yeah,
for people who want to know what the truth is
about my life, because there's a buck out, a couple
of books, stagers, gentlemen, and the victim mark story in

(28:25):
a film. Only believe what I say, or someone in
my family who knows me, or I work with, or
what I write because AI has me all kinds of
things and it's just not true. Uh, just only trust

(28:46):
would comes from us what's on my website? Because my
life's been crazy enough and God's redeemed it and I
want to give them all the glory without all the
sensation wisdom of people. I'll talk to just roumins in gossip.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Hey, I have the.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Way to do it.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I appreciate that. And Victor, thanks for being so generous
with your time again, that's Victor twenty twenty six dot com. Correct, Yes, sir,
it is all right.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Let's see you.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Again, you bet, Thanks Victor, and thanks for being so
generous with that we will go to break and when
we come back, we'll try to get us real short
segment in with one of our state reps. He Listen
to Dan Capless Show here on six thirty K How
with Well Kunty Sheriff Steve Riams.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
And now back to the Dankapless Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show here with Well
County Sheriff Steve Riams filling in as your guest host.
Sorry my voice cracked there a little bit. I guess
I'm going through puberty. But all that being said, our
next guest on here is a person that I kept
trying to track down during the legislative session, and I'm
just gonna say I think she was so busy she
could never remember to respond to my text and come on.
But she's coming on now, so I'm just going to

(29:53):
give her a little bit of a hard time. This
is state rep from HD sixty five, Laurie Garcia Sanders,
also a good friend of mine. Laurie, thanks for being
on the show with us.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Thank you so much here for having me. And yes,
I juggle a few jobs, so I was not avoiding you.
I promise, no, it's all good.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I'm just giving you a hard time for the listeners
if you'd give them a little bit of your background,
because you have a unique perspective as a lawmaker with
some of your background and education. So if you could
just give a quick little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Sure I do so.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
I am a retired public school teacher, school district principal
and administrator and always regular public schools, not charter school.
And they did work one year in a private in
a private Catholic school, which is a wonderful experience. But
the call to me was to work in public education,

(30:46):
and so for twenty five years I taught kids and
worked with parents, and I think it's really important. I
always tell people that I'm a little bit of a unicorn.
I'm a Latina public school teacher, Republican.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
These things can exist.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
In common, they can, you know, it's I bring a
different perspective. For many years as a teacher and as
a principal, I always watched legislation that affected my students,
my families, my teachers, my job, and a lot of overburdens,
some paperwork and rules. And every time we'd have a

(31:22):
new rule come up and be you know, why do
we have to do this or why do we have
to stop doing that? And I'd always say, right, your
state legislature because they're the ones that are doing They
don't walk in our shoes. They don't realize what their
policies do to affect our everyday lives. And so, you know,
people don't think that they want to be involved in politics,
but politics is definitely involved in them.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Sure, well you spent go ahead, oh go ahead. Well
you hit the nail on the head. But you just
jumped from that that realm of being the person who's,
you know, trying to figure out how you're going to
navigate the legislature or the legislation and that's being pushed
out to actually becoming a legislator. I know, you kind
of walked away from education and decided to jump in

(32:06):
the political ring with a little bit of a little
bit of prodding from a few people. But now you're
on the other side of the equation. You did your
first year down at the state legislature, and I know
that that was a little bit of a rough time.
What do you expect coming up in this next session
when it begins in January in just a few months.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
You know, my best hope was that going into the
next session, you know, even starting law session, that we
would see some moderation from the Democrats down at the legislature.
My best hope was that they were going to see
families aren't really happy about what they're doing as far
as making our state more expensive, making our state less safe,

(32:49):
making our roads not smooth. You know, I was hoping
that Democrats would start hearing from constituents, and really, in fact,
it's the opposite that they've doubled down. You know, they're
going to continue pushing as much as they can, as
hard as they can. I think they're going I think
we're going to see a continued effort to repeal tabor

(33:12):
or at least raise revenue taps or perhaps refer a
ballot measure to keep tax payer money. I think we'll
see recycled progressive bills that will include things like gas
pump climate warning labels, and tech regulations. We'll see the
union bills come back with the Labor Peace Act. We'll

(33:33):
see a lot more I think resistance legislation. People you know,
are the Democrats are are really up in arms around
what they what we call a Trump derangement syndrome. What
they perceive as you know, Trump being able to come
in and do all kinds of things, and they're going
to push back and proactively try and you know, put

(33:58):
money toward lawsuits and counter legislation that they don't even
know is coming yet. So we're going to just see,
I think, more craziness.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
So we only have about about a minute and a
half left. But typically in an election year you see
a little bit of moderation only because hey, you know,
these people are standing for election. Governor Polis isn't back
up for re election. I think you're hinting to it.
But is it as clear as just hey, these people
are They're going to get their money's worth here, and
Paulus is going to leave his mark? Is that is

(34:30):
that basically the way you're seeing it.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
I really do see it that way. We've already heard
that the Speaker in the House is already changing some
committees to decrease Republican representation right now possible, and we
have apparently it is in the world. Our speaker referred
our minority leader to talk to the Legislative Services Gas

(34:55):
because apparently she had already checked. But yeah, it's supposed
to be proportionate, you know, and right now we're out
numbered two to one. So in committees, most committees are
two Democrats to every one Republican. But it sounds like
she's altering at least a few key committees to decrease
Republican representation. And so, you know, doubling down on what

(35:18):
we foresee as Democrats is going to continue ramming through
their legislation as fast as they can. And you know,
we'll see if they actually get any votes that they
can override a governor veto. But wow, you know, I
don't know what the governor's future is as far as
his political aspirations, but time will tell over the next
eleven months how things turn out in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Well, I can't thank you enough for coming on. I
know that was a short segment. We went a little
along with our previous guests, but we'll get you back
on this show at some point, maybe even during the
legislative session. So thanks for being on with us.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
I would love that.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Thanks Representative Lori Garcia Sander from the Great County of Weald.
We're going to break, but you're listening to the Dan
Cafleis Show here on sixo thirty how with Well Kenny
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