Dan reviews scenarios and contingencies for a potential U.S. strike against nuclear sites in Iran, while a caller voices displeasure with the President's allegiance to Benajamin Netanyahu and Israel.
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Denver joined us for the first two segments of the
four I think you'd enjoy that off the podcast, talking
about Michael's take on June teenth today, and I'd heard
that on his show this morning, thought I gotta get
him on air today. Then Abby Johnson the latest and
why is Planned Parenthood still funded? That needs to end soon,
So we talked about that with Abby. We'll get back
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to everything that's going on in a run right now.
The President says up to two weeks you know up
to two weeks they'll make his decision. Of course, that
could mean that he would take military action tonight, but
he's given himself this two week window. At the same
time saying he thinks that Aron is quite possibly just
weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So let's go to the VIP line each week.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
At this time, we're really fortunate to have doctor Catherine
Wheeler with us, and she's a medical doctor, and we
talk about the medical aspects of abortion and abortion related issues,
because I really do think that, as a guy who
wants to do what I can to help save babies,
that the more people understand just the medicine, the less
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likely people are to have abortions, and the more likely
people are to become pro life in terms of policies.
So doctor welcome back to the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Thank you so much for having me, Dan, I've been
looking forward to this.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And doctor Wheeler comes to us with special credibility and
she's become a real hero in the pro life movement
because she used to perform abortions as a medical doctor
and then saw that they were wrong for the reasons
she's discussed on air and now goes out and helps
in every way that she can, which is massive.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So, doctor, I know today our.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Focus is going to be on the argument we often
hear from the abortion industry that more women will die
without unrestricted abortion. We hear that from the political left
as well. Could you just analyze that from a medical standpoint.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, thank you, And that probably is the most effective
narrative of the abortion industry and lobby. And you know,
I want to say clearly upfront, it's tragic every abortion,
because we lose one human being, and it's tragic if
we lose too in the middle of it. Nobody wants
women to die, and especially we're talking about almost all
healthy women who had most of them had nothing medically wrong,
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and so every bad outcome to the world men is
a consequence of medicine of surgery. So I want to
go back a little bit and through like abortion was dangerous,
illegal and rare for a very long time because women
did really put their life on the line when they
decided or when they were coerced into having abortions, and
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then talk about what changed in the late eighteen hundreds
and nineteen hundreds that made it much safer, and then
what happened where this narrative of women will die without
legal abortion came from. So going back through our history
in the United States, again it was dangerous. Women really
did die from it, but it was extremely rare, thank god.
And they often started like now with the abortion pill.
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They often started back then with herbs and they weren't
very effective. They would often move up to more herbs,
and when that failed, then they would move into these
procedural abortions. But they were usually untrained people. We didn't
have any sterile techniques. They didn't understand anatomy, so a
lot of women suffered death. But then in there kind
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of later eighteen hundreds to early nineteen hundreds, four major
things happened that made it safer. The first is Louis
Pastor under started understanding German theory that basically bacteria were
identified as the source for most infections, and most people
knew nothing about that. So we didn't wash hands, so
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we didn't have sterile equipment, We didn't do any of
those things to try to keep our patients from getting infected.
And the surgeon learned about what Pastor was learning applied
it to his practice. It took a while to take
hold unfortunately, but now, of course we used sterile techniques.
The second thing was antibiotics came into existence in World
War Two, starting with penicillin. Of course, that's expanded, so
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when people did get infections, there was some treatment to
keep people from dying. But the third thing is anesthesia
and obqyn became techniques got better and training got better,
and so they could surgically intervene with less risk to
the woman if necessary if she had a complication. And
then the fourth really big thing was somewhere around the
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nineteen forties somebody came up with a different technique for
the most common abortions, which are in the first trimester,
and it used to be that they had to be
done if they were done properly, with a what's called
a curette, which is essentially a metal loop that is
sharp on the long handle that you introduced through the vagina,
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through the cervix into the uterine cavity. And you can
kind of imagine that like a balloon, where you're putting
this loop in there and you're trying to scrape everything
out all the way around. It takes a little bit
of time. They can damage the uterus or go through
the uterus, you can get really serious infections afterwards. Somebody
thought up doing what looks especially like a wide straw
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that you attached to section. So instead of having to
scrape around, you put in this little curette with suction
and just rotated as you withdraw it down. The you
knowing cavity is much faster, it's much less dangerous, and
there's less infections and hemorrhage. So by the time ro
versus weight happened, abortion was much less risky. But we
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started to have I think there were four states by
nineteen seventy legalized abortion, at least in some circumstances, in
New York being one of them, and there was an
obq an doctor Bernard Nathanson. It was very instrumental in
the passage of ro versus weight, really active in the
policy making, and he stated as an obgen that five
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to ten thousand women were dying every year a legal
abortion in the United States, which sounds horrible, and nobody
wants women to die. So the narrative was we need
to make it legal to keep women from dying from
so called back alley abortion. But there were four things
that were true about that what he said was not true.
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The CDC in nineteen seventy two reported that there had
been twenty four deaths from legal abortion thirty nine from
illegal abortion, which is really tragic, but not anywhere near
five to ten thousand. Nathanson later admitted that the figures
were totally false. This is his quote. It was a
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useful figure, widely accepted. The overriding concern was to get
the laws eliminated, and anything within reason that had to
be done was permissible, and I think we still see
that today. And then the third thing is the back
alley image which he used, which what it really meant
was that this was illegal, So women came in through
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the back door to get their procedures. So that's really
what they meant by back alley. Over ninety percent were
done by trained medical professionals. So what we have today
with ordering pills online with no medical professionalved is much
more dangerous than what they did than But you know,
the narrative help. It's been a very useful narrative. It
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frightens people. Nobody wants women to die, and so they're
willing to vote for it. So I think in a
future segment we'll talk about you know the myth that
abortion restrictions are killing women, which is how they're applying
it now, But the truth is that it was already
very limited risk by the time that little versus weight happened.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Right, and then all of that, of course against the backdrop,
as you've established so well on prior programs, that each
of these abortions is, as a medical fact, killing an
innocent human.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And so so how.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You know you've got the industry out there arguing falsely
that this very large number of women will die if
if there is not a legal right to kill a
million or more a year.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I mean that that's and dead to me.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's always been baffling, and I know we're coming up
under the segment baffling is the kind word that all
these people who pretend to be pro women are out
there making this argument to actively push a policy that's
killing at least six or seven hundred thousand females a
year who are on the receiving end of an abortion.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Exactly, you're right, And we only talked about half of
the person and people involved today, yeah, or last because
we haven't talked about the men yet and how it
affects family. But yes, the number one issue is that
a living human being of incredible value, guys always and
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when the woman dies too, that's even that just adds
to the tragedy.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well, and it's so helpful to have you addressing all
of this from a medical standpoint. And next week we're
going to talk about, you know, is abortion really fourteen
times safer than childbirth, because that's one of the arguments
you often here made as well. So we'll deep dive
that next Thursday at five oh six.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Thank you, doctor, it's always great. That's doctor Catherine Wheeler.
Three or three someone three eight two five five the
number text d A and five seven seven thirty nine. Hey,
when we come back, we'll do a lot of stuff,
including the latest with Mike Johnston moving Denver toward insolvency
and listen, I'm not predicting Denver. It's going to become
in solvent soon, but it cannot keep this up. But
I also want to give you the latest down Iran.
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You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Perfect bump right there, Ryan, because it is the end
of the world as we know it. Iran is never
going to be the same, and that's a very good thing. No,
we don't have a culmination to this yet, but we
just know with all the success that Israel has already had,
it's never going to be the same there. And that's
great for us as Americans, because Iran was very close
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to a nuclear weapon probably excuse me, still working on
it as we right now. I mean, Afford, you're talking
about one hundred yards you know, probably one hundred yards underground,
maybe a little bit sideways behind, you know, a hard
rock in a mountain side. They're probably still in there
right now spinning it and trying to get a nuclear
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weapon active.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
So but but never going to be the same.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And that's probably gonna end up a very very good
thing for the people of this nation, in our great
alli Israel and the world. Alrighty, we're going to get
to the phone lines text as well. I do want
to say, though, and just what a gut punch I
got this text during the break one of the greatest
judges ever in Colorado suddenly passed away totally out of
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the blue, a man named Judge Joseph Bellapani and I
tried my first big case in front of him my
first year out.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Of law school.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It was almost a month long, complicated jury trial, and
he you know, I was nobody, and I was nothing,
and I was this kid out of school. I knew nothing,
but I was working hard and doing my very best
and up against probably three of the top five lawyers
in the state. And he treated me very fairly and
gave me every opportunity and just always respected him. And
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then did a bunch of cases in front of him
after that. He was a great mediator at Judicial Arbiter
Group and he's now passed away. So just a great
public servant, Judge Joe Bellaponi. So prayers for his family. Please,
let's go to the phone lines, and for the judge
though I can't picture him anywhere, but heaven very quickly.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Adam in severance here on the dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Welcome well to that point, real fast making rest in peace.
That's a sad thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Well it's about to lose good men.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, And it's just a reminder, right, we're all day
to day. I mean, I was just talking to somebody
last week about we need judge A. Pone to mediate
this big case we have and then all of a
sudden he's gone.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
But yeah, we're all just we're all just right for all. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
On a on a different note, however, I was calling
in regard to the the Iran situation. I'm on the
mind that I think, you know, especially that foordoh uh location,
I think we really need to just go in trump
Neys to send it at be too sorty and just
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take it out. For for two reasons, because if we
negotiate some sort of a truth or you know, surrender,
it only gives the opportunity for Iran to go and
subvert the rules and move things around. You know, there'll
be time in there, and that's you know, that's only
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going to work in their favor. But then the other
part is it sends a clear message to the rest
of the world that we are not to be messed with.
And when when something, when Trump says something, he means
it and it will happen. Yeah, And then I think
what Trump should do to take it one step further.
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I think you'll find this kind of entertaining once we've
once we've leveled the sides and we've encased all that
urine or all that plutonium down there, and nobody can
ever set foot on the ground.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Again.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
We build a Statue of Liberty statue here in the
United States, and we fly it over via helicopter. Well,
instead of the statue holding the porch, that's holding the
Jewish Star of David up high, and we set it
down right on top of that site where they can't
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touch it for the next millennium.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, you might need a ship for that trip. But Adam,
you made a brilliant point there, which is that President
Trump's really historic effectiveness has been you know, through peace
through strength, and people take him seriously and his threats seriously,
and they don't want to mess with him. And so
when he stakes out a position like he has around
will not have nuclear weapons total surrender, there's no way
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he does that without intending to deliver on it. And
so when he says today there's still room for diplomacy,
I think that's more of a tactical strategic statement, and
I think diplomacy, yes, technically, would include total surrender, total
give up of the nuclear program. But he's not going
to settle for less than that for a lot of
different reasons, starting with our national security. He's proven he's
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willing to die for our national security. He proved that
when he took out Sola money, and he knew that
would put a target on his own back. He was
willing to put that risk on his own head to
protect us. And the second is effectiveness. Now with Russia
end up getting peace in Ukraine, effectiveness with g other
bad actors around the world, is going to deliver on
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that promise? Got to go to this call next, because
I don't think in decades on air, I've ever had
in Athena called the show Asina Welcome to the Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Oh hi Dan, thanks for taking my car.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
I just just wanted to weigh in a little bit
on this whole Iran versus Israel nuke situation. I think
that because I just heard you're talking about, you know,
it's pretty clear we need to go in. Iran has
a nuclear bomb, blah blah blah. I want to try
to juxtapose or why does why is everybody overlooking Just
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a few months ago, when Sealthy Gabbard testified that there's
no evidence that Iran is this far along or is
pursuing their nuclear program. You have Iran that is a
signatory to the what is it the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty,
they allow inspectors into their site. You have Israel that
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is not a signer to that. You have Israel that
does not allow inspection. And why is it that we
are so sure that Iran has these nuclear weapons when
all the evidence in the intelligence community is saying that
they don't. I feel like this is the rock two
point zero. We're going in under the assumption that there
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were wnds, which there weren't. We're going in and we're
going right back to a quagmar that we're fighting again
on behalf of Israel. It's like I just see that
this is a repeat of Iraq.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well, first of all, thank you for your call, because
though I completely disagree on each and every point, it's
so valuable to have this conversation because I know there
are plenty of people who see things the way you do,
and so if you can alter a break, I want
to come back and just rebut what you had to say,
point by point, starting with that I had said around
has a new quitch I didn't, but grateful for athenis call.
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So let's go through all of that, and I think
what you're going to see is the facts are contrary
to all of that, and that the need to take
out the new program right now is real and in
our best interest.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You're on the Dan Kapla.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Show, you're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I'm so glad Athena called that.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I disagree with every point she made, but it's it's
valuable to have the conversation because I know others agree
with her. There isn't time to lay it all out
because she articulately covered about seven points in a hurry.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Thank you for that, Athena.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
My summary response to this to that is, first of all,
I never said Aroun has a nuke right now.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I just said I do believe they're close.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And then you raise the question why would you believe
they're close when you say they're subject to full inspections, etc.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
For me, it's this simple.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
First, I don't trust Iran or anything arounding officials say
at all, and I can't believe any other thinking person would. Second,
I do trust Trump, and third I do trust Netan
Yahoo and I think Israel, a nation that has been
repeatedly threatened with annihilation by Iran, has every right at
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this point to assume that Iran intends to follow through
on it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So it's really that simple for me.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And obviously America's interest I think America is obligated to
defend our great Ali Israel, Athena, but America's interest as
well are clearly served by making sure that Iran does
not have nuclear weapons. I mean, that's a radical Islamist regime.
And who in the right mind would want radical Islamic
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terrorist And that's what they are, right that they're behind Thomas,
They're behind Hesbala, They're behind the October seventh straight out
of Hell Horrors. Nobody in the right mind, including you, Athena,
would want the people who run Iran to have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Right, Well, I don't. I Actually what concerns me as
well is that is a state like Israel having nuclear
Well you got to be to mar Shadians leazy about
their nuclear weapons program.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
One second. I just want to get and you're welcome
to stay the rest of the show. You're welcome to
stay the rest of the show. I want to have
this conversation, but to be useful, we have to have
direct answers to direct questions. I have answered yours, Please
answer mine. Do you agree that the radical Islamist terrorist
who run Iran should not have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
I would agree that if we're going to take them
away from Iran, you take them away from Israel, neither
country should have them.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, well, let's get to that, and maybe you did
answer my question and let me just clarify that. So
your position is you are unwilling to simply say that
the radical Islamic terrorists who run iron should not have
nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You are unwilling to say that, correct.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
No, what I'm willing to say is if there's clear
and convincing evidence that they actually are very far along
in their nuclear program, maybe at that point we need
to have another discussion about going in and doing regime change.
But right now, all the evidence is pointing to the
fact that they are not as far as along as
what Israel is claiming. And that's been their claim for
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thirty years now.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Well, and they've been right.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
They've been right for thirty years, and what they've done,
repeatedly and brilliantly is undermined the progress of the Iranian
nuclear program. It is well documented, including from defectors from Iran,
that Iran has been pursuing that program for thirty years now.
You do not obviously trust the President Trump, You do
not believe him when he says Iran is very close.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
I when it comes to Trump, someone who voted for
him three times, by the way, I'm not someone on
the left at all, very disappointed in how he's been
waffling and weak this last week. So that's what concerns me.
So my concern is who is whispering sweet nothings into
his ear. He's obviously going above and ignoring Tulci Gabbard,
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so he's getting information from the intelligence community.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So you think Trump is allowing himself to be manipulated.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
I would say that that's not far betched. I would
say with the influence and the power that another foreign
entity has.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
So now we get to your hostility toward Israel, which
I just don't understand. But you talk about Israel being sleazy, this,
et cetera. You agree the Holocaust happened, right, Oh, of.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
Course I'm not.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Of course it gets and that was disgusting, that was despicable, right,
And I agree it's unfortunate, and it's unfortunate. And what
they've been doing in Gauza is a Holocaust as well.
This is a modern day Holocaust. It's the same thing,
the same thing right now in the world.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, Now, now let's break that down at Sena, because
at this point you're obviously an intelligent, articulate person, but
you've temporarily lost your mind. Because to equate the systematic
slaughter of millions of innocent Israelis in the Holocaust to
Israel responding to October seven by trying to end the
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the end Hamas, no sane person could make that comparison.
I mean, can you give me one single example in
the response to October seven of Israel intentionally targeting innocent civilians.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Ian?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Are you aware it killed two hundred and twenty five journalists?
Are you aware of how many people that had been
killed after October seventy?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You're dodging my question, Athena, you're dodging my question. All
of those people killed in Gaza after October seven were
killed by Hamas because Israel had a right to go
in in self defense, and Hamas chose to hide behind
innocent people. But my question to you is simply, can
you point to a single innocent person that Israel intentionally
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killed after October seven?
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Well, I don't live in Israel, but.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
But you know they don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Come on, but you don't live anywhere else that you're
condemning right now. So the point of theena is you
can't because nobody can. Because unlike the Holocaust, where you know,
Hitler systematically killed millions of innocent, defenseless people, you can't
point to Israel doing that to.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
A single person.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You object to the way Israel has approached it self defense.
I believe and and and my heart breaks for every
innocent who died in Gaza, But that blood is on
the hands of Hamas, and Hamas equals Iran. And you're
calling this show to say, oh no, don't take out
Iran's nuclear weapons program.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Yeah, because I think that the information that we're getting
that Trump is getting is not consistent with what Pulsey
Gabbard is getting.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Why would Congress, why would you have that.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Trump is having someone in his ear called a foreign
entity called Israel. And I think we need to stop
trying to fight their wars because we're not getting anything
out of it. We're going into debt and we're having
our own people killed and maimed because we keep going
into the belief and fighting wars on behalf of a Ya.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And your hostility toward Israel. I don't understand. But in
terms of a rock, we didn't go into a rock
for Prime Minister NETANYAHUO are the state of Israel. So
don't blame Israel for a rock or Afghanistan. You know,
here you have a man you voted for three times,
who has access to classified information, who is looking you
in the eye and telling you Aron is very close
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to a nuclear weapon. And you're saying you believe Tulca
Gabbard over Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Absolutely her job. Isn't she getting this?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
What's Trump's job? What's Trump's job? Trump has a much
bigger job than she has.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But you think he's being manipulated by Netanyahu because you
have this hostility toward Israel.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
That's just I think you have blinding you towards Israel.
I have hostility towards Israel having influence in our foreign policy.
That's where I have hostilities. And are all of the
money that are taxpayers that are gone to fight these wars.
It's ridiculous this, Well, we haven't.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Been fighting the wars on behalf of Israel. Let let
me ask you about this. First of all, I think
we have an obligation to our great great ally Israel
to protect it from being annihilated by Iran, which is
promised to But that aside, Uh, you have to concede.
It is in America's national interest to make sure that
Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. Right, you conceded
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that earlier.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I can see, Yes, I did. They were further along
and it was pretty clear and convincing evidence.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So you just don't believe Trump. Think you think Trump.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Is being manipulated by Netanya who you We've already established that.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
And I don't think it's farfetch.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Okay, appreciate the call, Thank you, Athena. I think there
is no chance that President Trump is being manipulated by anybody.
And to me, it's just completely illogical to trust Tulcy
Gabbard over Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
So I just don't give them.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Plus one quick point of clarification. Telsea came out publicly
and said that's not what she said in her testimony.
That you've listened to the full context of what she said.
There is not daylight between herself and Trump.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's what she saw.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that
because I've got to tell you listen. Trump's not perfect.
None of us are perfect. Trump's not God, none of
us are God. Trump makes mistakes just like all of us.
But on matters like this, I trust Donald Trump, and
I do so very easily and very confidently. And you
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look at his track record, right, Keep in mind, this
was a guy who was willing to die for our safety.
He knew when he ordered that terrorist General Solomoni taken out.
He knew it would put a target on his back,
and it did.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I mean, would anybody be surprised if we eventually find
out both of those assassination attempts, the first one which
was virtually certain to succeed if not for what I
believe is divine intervention, but one way or the other,
it was almost virtually certain to succeed. Would you be
surprised to find out in the end if that was
a on. No, So he knew he was putting a
target on his back to protect us. It seems to
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me he has earned trust in this situation. You're on
the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Get back to the callers in a second. So many
great texts.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I've got to get to some of those DAN are
on target's apartments, hospitals and residential targets Israel targets military.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So very true.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I mean, this is a classic battle of good versus evil, right,
not the people of Iran, but the Mulas and the
Iatolas who keep them captive as well. So in the
ballistic missile hit on the Iranian hospital today, I don't
be surprised if that leads to the taking out of company.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I wouldn't be at all surprised.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
In fact, I think one of the dynamics right now, Ryan,
that we're looking at is as President Trump surveys the landscape. Certainly,
if in the meantime there's any kind of hit on
American troops or interest, I think that would be the
trip wire that would then trigger the plans that are
ready apparently have been approved, but I expect those will
probably be implemented anyway.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
And putting a fine point on your conversation with Athena,
our previous caller, I want to ask you about this
horseshoe theory that has been discussed. I think Ben Shapiro's
brought it up, and Mark Levin, you and I are
uniformly similar on this position. Of supporting Israel, that they
are our greatest ally in the region, and we don't
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think to question them or their motives. But you got
the hard left like ilhan Omar Rashida Talib, I'd say
AOC the squad that sort of loved us, that.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Are fervently anti Semits.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
We know that, but we also see on the other
side this horseshoe coming together of a far right element
that would include I think now Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens,
maybe Thomas Massey, our previous caller.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
There's a much of that.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Has this underpinning of some kind of deeply seated anti Semitism,
And like you, I'm wondering where is that coming from
our side of it?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
And let me disagree with the premise here if I may, Ryan,
because I think when we talk about Candos owns, Tucker Carlson,
et cetera, I don't believe there is an anti Semitism there,
and I just don't know what the color Athena.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I don't know her.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Well, Oh, have you heard Candice Owans of late No? Wow, Yeah,
I haven't heard any heard anything very bad.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
All I'm trying to say is I think that somebody
can oppose America becoming involved in Iran right now, even
in the way we're talking about, which should be no
boots on the ground, but be the airstrikes. I think
a person could oppose that without being an anti semit
So let me just put it that way, Okay. I
think you can put together a coherent argument to do that.
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I just think the far better argument, the stronger argument,
the weight of the evidence, starting with our own national
security a close second, our obligation Israel is in favor of,
if necessary, air power, only the US assisting in taking out.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Around's nuclear capabilities. Lord knows that it'll save our nation.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So what you agree though, that that someone who is
not anti Semitic could put together a credible argument against
US involvement.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Yes, and I hear that argument, and I actually understand
it to a large degree because I'm not an interventional
interventionist in any sense of the word. But I'm finding it,
especially on the left, you see this. Obviously they're all
about waving the Ukraine flag and they're one hundred percent
in on Ukraine against Russia, and then all of a
sudden they're oh, oh yeah about it.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, now, the anti Semitism on the left.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I'm not talking about your typical Democrat, but I'm talking
about the powers that control the Democratic Party. And look
at what they're doing right that. They're setting themselves on
fire with that, and they're hurting themselves.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
In so many ways.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, Josh Shapiro would have been a far better
candidate for them, but they couldn't do that in their
twisted worldview because he's Jewish. So no, the left, yeah,
a ton of anti Semitism. I think the credible argument
against my position. My position is if necessary, the US
should assist Israel and taking out the nuclear capability limit
that to air. Only credible argument against that is what's
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unknown and uncontrollable. You know, best laid plans, right, et cetera.
But if the US goes in in the air, and
again I hope the US does if necessary, then you
never know what that might trigger in other ways, right,
You never know, for example, China, which has been flying
in and out of Iran, does that trip something with China?
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And listen, the US has to stand up to China
in many different ways right now, but we don't want
a military conflict with China. But again, the far stronger,
better reasoned argument is if Israel needs the US to
help finish off the nuclear capability, and it can be
done from the air.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Then you do it.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
The one final point I'll make on Athena, where I
do agree to a large extent, is what changed. We
know that the intel has been out there that Iran's
trying to develop a nuclear weapon, but what escalated that,
what caused Israel to act? What I keep coming back
to is exactly what you said, though, Dan, I trust
Donald Trump to make this call and not be manipulated
by whatever pressure campaign might be put on by Benjamin
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not Yahoo or anybody else.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
And I respect Israel's right to self defense as you do,
and to prevent the next Holocaust. But in terms of
the timing, listen, Israel has properly wanted to do this
for a long time, right, because there's this constant effort
as we speak right now, Ryan, all of the published
information I see suggest Iran is still enriching and is
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racing now to get the bombs, and was before, and
so Israel, I think, was waiting for a couple of things,
waiting for Biden to leave office, right, because it's only
doable with trumpet office, and at that point, I think
the Trump administration was asking Israel to hold off, right, Yeah, So,
I think Israel has properly wanted to do this for
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quite a while, and it has done everything it could
to try to set back that nuclear program. But now
I think there's a window here, a window to do
a great service to our children and their grandchildren and
their grandchildren and the higher civilized world, our great ally Israel, and.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I'm very, very.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Confident this is going to end well for America, for
Israel and the world, but still a lot of pain
to come. Evil doesn't die easily, and this Iranian regime
is just straight out of hell.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Evil Ran.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Thank you for your great work, Kelly, you as well.
Enjoy everybody this beautiful evening, and please join us tomorrow
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Denver joined us for the first two segments of the
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So we talked about that with Abby. We'll get back
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to everything that's going on in a run right now.
The President says up to two weeks you know up
to two weeks they'll make his decision. Of course, that
could mean that he would take military action tonight, but
he's given himself this two week window. At the same
time saying he thinks that Aron is quite possibly just
weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So let's go to the VIP line each week.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
At this time, we're really fortunate to have doctor Catherine
Wheeler with us, and she's a medical doctor, and we
talk about the medical aspects of abortion and abortion related issues,
because I really do think that, as a guy who
wants to do what I can to help save babies,
that the more people understand just the medicine, the less
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likely people are to have abortions, and the more likely
people are to become pro life in terms of policies.
So doctor welcome back to the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Thank you so much for having me, Dan, I've been
looking forward to this.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And doctor Wheeler comes to us with special credibility and
she's become a real hero in the pro life movement
because she used to perform abortions as a medical doctor
and then saw that they were wrong for the reasons
she's discussed on air and now goes out and helps
in every way that she can, which is massive.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So, doctor, I know today our.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Focus is going to be on the argument we often
hear from the abortion industry that more women will die
without unrestricted abortion. We hear that from the political left
as well. Could you just analyze that from a medical standpoint.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, thank you, And that probably is the most effective
narrative of the abortion industry and lobby. And you know,
I want to say clearly upfront, it's tragic every abortion,
because we lose one human being, and it's tragic if
we lose too in the middle of it. Nobody wants
women to die, and especially we're talking about almost all
healthy women who had most of them had nothing medically wrong,
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and so every bad outcome to the world men is
a consequence of medicine of surgery. So I want to
go back a little bit and through like abortion was dangerous,
illegal and rare for a very long time because women
did really put their life on the line when they
decided or when they were coerced into having abortions, and
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then talk about what changed in the late eighteen hundreds
and nineteen hundreds that made it much safer, and then
what happened where this narrative of women will die without
legal abortion came from. So going back through our history
in the United States, again it was dangerous. Women really
did die from it, but it was extremely rare, thank god.
And they often started like now with the abortion pill.
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They often started back then with herbs and they weren't
very effective. They would often move up to more herbs,
and when that failed, then they would move into these
procedural abortions. But they were usually untrained people. We didn't
have any sterile techniques. They didn't understand anatomy, so a
lot of women suffered death. But then in there kind
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of later eighteen hundreds to early nineteen hundreds, four major
things happened that made it safer. The first is Louis
Pastor under started understanding German theory that basically bacteria were
identified as the source for most infections, and most people
knew nothing about that. So we didn't wash hands, so
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we didn't have sterile equipment, We didn't do any of
those things to try to keep our patients from getting infected.
And the surgeon learned about what Pastor was learning applied
it to his practice. It took a while to take
hold unfortunately, but now, of course we used sterile techniques.
The second thing was antibiotics came into existence in World
War Two, starting with penicillin. Of course, that's expanded, so
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when people did get infections, there was some treatment to
keep people from dying. But the third thing is anesthesia
and obqyn became techniques got better and training got better,
and so they could surgically intervene with less risk to
the woman if necessary if she had a complication. And
then the fourth really big thing was somewhere around the
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nineteen forties somebody came up with a different technique for
the most common abortions, which are in the first trimester,
and it used to be that they had to be
done if they were done properly, with a what's called
a curette, which is essentially a metal loop that is
sharp on the long handle that you introduced through the vagina,
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through the cervix into the uterine cavity. And you can
kind of imagine that like a balloon, where you're putting
this loop in there and you're trying to scrape everything
out all the way around. It takes a little bit
of time. They can damage the uterus or go through
the uterus, you can get really serious infections afterwards. Somebody
thought up doing what looks especially like a wide straw
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that you attached to section. So instead of having to
scrape around, you put in this little curette with suction
and just rotated as you withdraw it down. The you
knowing cavity is much faster, it's much less dangerous, and
there's less infections and hemorrhage. So by the time ro
versus weight happened, abortion was much less risky. But we
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started to have I think there were four states by
nineteen seventy legalized abortion, at least in some circumstances, in
New York being one of them, and there was an
obq an doctor Bernard Nathanson. It was very instrumental in
the passage of ro versus weight, really active in the
policy making, and he stated as an obgen that five
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to ten thousand women were dying every year a legal
abortion in the United States, which sounds horrible, and nobody
wants women to die. So the narrative was we need
to make it legal to keep women from dying from
so called back alley abortion. But there were four things
that were true about that what he said was not true.
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The CDC in nineteen seventy two reported that there had
been twenty four deaths from legal abortion thirty nine from
illegal abortion, which is really tragic, but not anywhere near
five to ten thousand. Nathanson later admitted that the figures
were totally false. This is his quote. It was a
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useful figure, widely accepted. The overriding concern was to get
the laws eliminated, and anything within reason that had to
be done was permissible, and I think we still see
that today. And then the third thing is the back
alley image which he used, which what it really meant
was that this was illegal, So women came in through
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the back door to get their procedures. So that's really
what they meant by back alley. Over ninety percent were
done by trained medical professionals. So what we have today
with ordering pills online with no medical professionalved is much
more dangerous than what they did than But you know,
the narrative help. It's been a very useful narrative. It
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frightens people. Nobody wants women to die, and so they're
willing to vote for it. So I think in a
future segment we'll talk about you know the myth that
abortion restrictions are killing women, which is how they're applying
it now, But the truth is that it was already
very limited risk by the time that little versus weight happened.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Right, and then all of that, of course against the backdrop,
as you've established so well on prior programs, that each
of these abortions is, as a medical fact, killing an
innocent human.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And so so how.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You know you've got the industry out there arguing falsely
that this very large number of women will die if
if there is not a legal right to kill a
million or more a year.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I mean that that's and dead to me.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's always been baffling, and I know we're coming up
under the segment baffling is the kind word that all
these people who pretend to be pro women are out
there making this argument to actively push a policy that's
killing at least six or seven hundred thousand females a
year who are on the receiving end of an abortion.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Exactly, you're right, And we only talked about half of
the person and people involved today, yeah, or last because
we haven't talked about the men yet and how it
affects family. But yes, the number one issue is that
a living human being of incredible value, guys always and
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when the woman dies too, that's even that just adds
to the tragedy.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well, and it's so helpful to have you addressing all
of this from a medical standpoint. And next week we're
going to talk about, you know, is abortion really fourteen
times safer than childbirth, because that's one of the arguments
you often here made as well. So we'll deep dive
that next Thursday at five oh six.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Thank you, doctor, it's always great. That's doctor Catherine Wheeler.
Three or three someone three eight two five five the
number text d A and five seven seven thirty nine. Hey,
when we come back, we'll do a lot of stuff,
including the latest with Mike Johnston moving Denver toward insolvency
and listen, I'm not predicting Denver. It's going to become
in solvent soon, but it cannot keep this up. But
I also want to give you the latest down Iran.
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You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Perfect bump right there, Ryan, because it is the end
of the world as we know it. Iran is never
going to be the same, and that's a very good thing. No,
we don't have a culmination to this yet, but we
just know with all the success that Israel has already had,
it's never going to be the same there. And that's
great for us as Americans, because Iran was very close
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to a nuclear weapon probably excuse me, still working on
it as we right now. I mean, Afford, you're talking
about one hundred yards you know, probably one hundred yards underground,
maybe a little bit sideways behind, you know, a hard
rock in a mountain side. They're probably still in there
right now spinning it and trying to get a nuclear
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weapon active.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
So but but never going to be the same.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And that's probably gonna end up a very very good
thing for the people of this nation, in our great
alli Israel and the world. Alrighty, we're going to get
to the phone lines text as well. I do want
to say, though, and just what a gut punch I
got this text during the break one of the greatest
judges ever in Colorado suddenly passed away totally out of
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the blue, a man named Judge Joseph Bellapani and I
tried my first big case in front of him my
first year out.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Of law school.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It was almost a month long, complicated jury trial, and
he you know, I was nobody, and I was nothing,
and I was this kid out of school. I knew nothing,
but I was working hard and doing my very best
and up against probably three of the top five lawyers
in the state. And he treated me very fairly and
gave me every opportunity and just always respected him. And
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then did a bunch of cases in front of him
after that. He was a great mediator at Judicial Arbiter
Group and he's now passed away. So just a great
public servant, Judge Joe Bellaponi. So prayers for his family. Please,
let's go to the phone lines, and for the judge
though I can't picture him anywhere, but heaven very quickly.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Adam in severance here on the dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Welcome well to that point, real fast making rest in peace.
That's a sad thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Well it's about to lose good men.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, And it's just a reminder, right, we're all day
to day. I mean, I was just talking to somebody
last week about we need judge A. Pone to mediate
this big case we have and then all of a
sudden he's gone.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
But yeah, we're all just we're all just right for all. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
On a on a different note, however, I was calling
in regard to the the Iran situation. I'm on the
mind that I think, you know, especially that foordoh uh location,
I think we really need to just go in trump
Neys to send it at be too sorty and just
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take it out. For for two reasons, because if we
negotiate some sort of a truth or you know, surrender,
it only gives the opportunity for Iran to go and
subvert the rules and move things around. You know, there'll
be time in there, and that's you know, that's only
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going to work in their favor. But then the other
part is it sends a clear message to the rest
of the world that we are not to be messed with.
And when when something, when Trump says something, he means
it and it will happen. Yeah, And then I think
what Trump should do to take it one step further.
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I think you'll find this kind of entertaining once we've
once we've leveled the sides and we've encased all that
urine or all that plutonium down there, and nobody can
ever set foot on the ground.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Again.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
We build a Statue of Liberty statue here in the
United States, and we fly it over via helicopter. Well,
instead of the statue holding the porch, that's holding the
Jewish Star of David up high, and we set it
down right on top of that site where they can't
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touch it for the next millennium.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, you might need a ship for that trip. But Adam,
you made a brilliant point there, which is that President
Trump's really historic effectiveness has been you know, through peace
through strength, and people take him seriously and his threats seriously,
and they don't want to mess with him. And so
when he stakes out a position like he has around
will not have nuclear weapons total surrender, there's no way
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he does that without intending to deliver on it. And
so when he says today there's still room for diplomacy,
I think that's more of a tactical strategic statement, and
I think diplomacy, yes, technically, would include total surrender, total
give up of the nuclear program. But he's not going
to settle for less than that for a lot of
different reasons, starting with our national security. He's proven he's
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willing to die for our national security. He proved that
when he took out Sola money, and he knew that
would put a target on his own back. He was
willing to put that risk on his own head to
protect us. And the second is effectiveness. Now with Russia
end up getting peace in Ukraine, effectiveness with g other
bad actors around the world, is going to deliver on
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that promise? Got to go to this call next, because
I don't think in decades on air, I've ever had
in Athena called the show Asina Welcome to the Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Oh hi Dan, thanks for taking my car.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
I just just wanted to weigh in a little bit
on this whole Iran versus Israel nuke situation. I think
that because I just heard you're talking about, you know,
it's pretty clear we need to go in. Iran has
a nuclear bomb, blah blah blah. I want to try
to juxtapose or why does why is everybody overlooking Just
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a few months ago, when Sealthy Gabbard testified that there's
no evidence that Iran is this far along or is
pursuing their nuclear program. You have Iran that is a
signatory to the what is it the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty,
they allow inspectors into their site. You have Israel that
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is not a signer to that. You have Israel that
does not allow inspection. And why is it that we
are so sure that Iran has these nuclear weapons when
all the evidence in the intelligence community is saying that
they don't. I feel like this is the rock two
point zero. We're going in under the assumption that there
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were wnds, which there weren't. We're going in and we're
going right back to a quagmar that we're fighting again
on behalf of Israel. It's like I just see that
this is a repeat of Iraq.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well, first of all, thank you for your call, because
though I completely disagree on each and every point, it's
so valuable to have this conversation because I know there
are plenty of people who see things the way you do,
and so if you can alter a break, I want
to come back and just rebut what you had to say,
point by point, starting with that I had said around
has a new quitch I didn't, but grateful for athenis call.
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So let's go through all of that, and I think
what you're going to see is the facts are contrary
to all of that, and that the need to take
out the new program right now is real and in
our best interest.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You're on the Dan Kapla.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Show, you're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I'm so glad Athena called that.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I disagree with every point she made, but it's it's
valuable to have the conversation because I know others agree
with her. There isn't time to lay it all out
because she articulately covered about seven points in a hurry.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Thank you for that, Athena.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
My summary response to this to that is, first of all,
I never said Aroun has a nuke right now.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I just said I do believe they're close.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And then you raise the question why would you believe
they're close when you say they're subject to full inspections, etc.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
For me, it's this simple.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
First, I don't trust Iran or anything arounding officials say
at all, and I can't believe any other thinking person would. Second,
I do trust Trump, and third I do trust Netan
Yahoo and I think Israel, a nation that has been
repeatedly threatened with annihilation by Iran, has every right at
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this point to assume that Iran intends to follow through
on it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So it's really that simple for me.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And obviously America's interest I think America is obligated to
defend our great Ali Israel, Athena, but America's interest as
well are clearly served by making sure that Iran does
not have nuclear weapons. I mean, that's a radical Islamist regime.
And who in the right mind would want radical Islamic
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terrorist And that's what they are, right that they're behind Thomas,
They're behind Hesbala, They're behind the October seventh straight out
of Hell Horrors. Nobody in the right mind, including you, Athena,
would want the people who run Iran to have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Right, Well, I don't. I Actually what concerns me as
well is that is a state like Israel having nuclear
Well you got to be to mar Shadians leazy about
their nuclear weapons program.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
One second. I just want to get and you're welcome
to stay the rest of the show. You're welcome to
stay the rest of the show. I want to have
this conversation, but to be useful, we have to have
direct answers to direct questions. I have answered yours, Please
answer mine. Do you agree that the radical Islamist terrorist
who run Iran should not have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
I would agree that if we're going to take them
away from Iran, you take them away from Israel, neither
country should have them.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, well, let's get to that, and maybe you did
answer my question and let me just clarify that. So
your position is you are unwilling to simply say that
the radical Islamic terrorists who run iron should not have
nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You are unwilling to say that, correct.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
No, what I'm willing to say is if there's clear
and convincing evidence that they actually are very far along
in their nuclear program, maybe at that point we need
to have another discussion about going in and doing regime change.
But right now, all the evidence is pointing to the
fact that they are not as far as along as
what Israel is claiming. And that's been their claim for
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thirty years now.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Well, and they've been right.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
They've been right for thirty years, and what they've done,
repeatedly and brilliantly is undermined the progress of the Iranian
nuclear program. It is well documented, including from defectors from Iran,
that Iran has been pursuing that program for thirty years now.
You do not obviously trust the President Trump, You do
not believe him when he says Iran is very close.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
I when it comes to Trump, someone who voted for
him three times, by the way, I'm not someone on
the left at all, very disappointed in how he's been
waffling and weak this last week. So that's what concerns me.
So my concern is who is whispering sweet nothings into
his ear. He's obviously going above and ignoring Tulci Gabbard,
(21:53):
so he's getting information from the intelligence community.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So you think Trump is allowing himself to be manipulated.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
I would say that that's not far betched. I would
say with the influence and the power that another foreign
entity has.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
So now we get to your hostility toward Israel, which
I just don't understand. But you talk about Israel being sleazy, this,
et cetera. You agree the Holocaust happened, right, Oh, of.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
Course I'm not.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Of course it gets and that was disgusting, that was despicable, right,
And I agree it's unfortunate, and it's unfortunate. And what
they've been doing in Gauza is a Holocaust as well.
This is a modern day Holocaust. It's the same thing,
the same thing right now in the world.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, Now, now let's break that down at Sena, because
at this point you're obviously an intelligent, articulate person, but
you've temporarily lost your mind. Because to equate the systematic
slaughter of millions of innocent Israelis in the Holocaust to
Israel responding to October seven by trying to end the
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the end Hamas, no sane person could make that comparison.
I mean, can you give me one single example in
the response to October seven of Israel intentionally targeting innocent civilians.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Ian?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Are you aware it killed two hundred and twenty five journalists?
Are you aware of how many people that had been
killed after October seventy?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You're dodging my question, Athena, you're dodging my question. All
of those people killed in Gaza after October seven were
killed by Hamas because Israel had a right to go
in in self defense, and Hamas chose to hide behind
innocent people. But my question to you is simply, can
you point to a single innocent person that Israel intentionally
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killed after October seven?
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Well, I don't live in Israel, but.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
But you know they don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Come on, but you don't live anywhere else that you're
condemning right now. So the point of theena is you
can't because nobody can. Because unlike the Holocaust, where you know,
Hitler systematically killed millions of innocent, defenseless people, you can't
point to Israel doing that to.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
A single person.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You object to the way Israel has approached it self defense.
I believe and and and my heart breaks for every
innocent who died in Gaza, But that blood is on
the hands of Hamas, and Hamas equals Iran. And you're
calling this show to say, oh no, don't take out
Iran's nuclear weapons program.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Yeah, because I think that the information that we're getting
that Trump is getting is not consistent with what Pulsey
Gabbard is getting.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Why would Congress, why would you have that.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Trump is having someone in his ear called a foreign
entity called Israel. And I think we need to stop
trying to fight their wars because we're not getting anything
out of it. We're going into debt and we're having
our own people killed and maimed because we keep going
into the belief and fighting wars on behalf of a Ya.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And your hostility toward Israel. I don't understand. But in
terms of a rock, we didn't go into a rock
for Prime Minister NETANYAHUO are the state of Israel. So
don't blame Israel for a rock or Afghanistan. You know,
here you have a man you voted for three times,
who has access to classified information, who is looking you
in the eye and telling you Aron is very close
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to a nuclear weapon. And you're saying you believe Tulca
Gabbard over Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Absolutely her job. Isn't she getting this?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
What's Trump's job? What's Trump's job? Trump has a much
bigger job than she has.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But you think he's being manipulated by Netanyahu because you
have this hostility toward Israel.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
That's just I think you have blinding you towards Israel.
I have hostility towards Israel having influence in our foreign policy.
That's where I have hostilities. And are all of the
money that are taxpayers that are gone to fight these wars.
It's ridiculous this, Well, we haven't.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Been fighting the wars on behalf of Israel. Let let
me ask you about this. First of all, I think
we have an obligation to our great great ally Israel
to protect it from being annihilated by Iran, which is
promised to But that aside, Uh, you have to concede.
It is in America's national interest to make sure that
Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. Right, you conceded
(26:27):
that earlier.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I can see, Yes, I did. They were further along
and it was pretty clear and convincing evidence.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So you just don't believe Trump. Think you think Trump.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Is being manipulated by Netanya who you We've already established that.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
And I don't think it's farfetch.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Okay, appreciate the call, Thank you, Athena. I think there
is no chance that President Trump is being manipulated by anybody.
And to me, it's just completely illogical to trust Tulcy
Gabbard over Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
So I just don't give them.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Plus one quick point of clarification. Telsea came out publicly
and said that's not what she said in her testimony.
That you've listened to the full context of what she said.
There is not daylight between herself and Trump.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's what she saw.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that
because I've got to tell you listen. Trump's not perfect.
None of us are perfect. Trump's not God, none of
us are God. Trump makes mistakes just like all of us.
But on matters like this, I trust Donald Trump, and
I do so very easily and very confidently. And you
(27:32):
look at his track record, right, Keep in mind, this
was a guy who was willing to die for our safety.
He knew when he ordered that terrorist General Solomoni taken out.
He knew it would put a target on his back,
and it did.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I mean, would anybody be surprised if we eventually find
out both of those assassination attempts, the first one which
was virtually certain to succeed if not for what I
believe is divine intervention, but one way or the other,
it was almost virtually certain to succeed. Would you be
surprised to find out in the end if that was
a on. No, So he knew he was putting a
target on his back to protect us. It seems to
(28:06):
me he has earned trust in this situation. You're on
the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Get back to the callers in a second. So many
great texts.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I've got to get to some of those DAN are
on target's apartments, hospitals and residential targets Israel targets military.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So very true.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I mean, this is a classic battle of good versus evil, right,
not the people of Iran, but the Mulas and the
Iatolas who keep them captive as well. So in the
ballistic missile hit on the Iranian hospital today, I don't
be surprised if that leads to the taking out of company.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I wouldn't be at all surprised.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
In fact, I think one of the dynamics right now, Ryan,
that we're looking at is as President Trump surveys the landscape. Certainly,
if in the meantime there's any kind of hit on
American troops or interest, I think that would be the
trip wire that would then trigger the plans that are
ready apparently have been approved, but I expect those will
probably be implemented anyway.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
And putting a fine point on your conversation with Athena,
our previous caller, I want to ask you about this
horseshoe theory that has been discussed. I think Ben Shapiro's
brought it up, and Mark Levin, you and I are
uniformly similar on this position. Of supporting Israel, that they
are our greatest ally in the region, and we don't
(29:29):
think to question them or their motives. But you got
the hard left like ilhan Omar Rashida Talib, I'd say
AOC the squad that sort of loved us, that.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Are fervently anti Semits.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
We know that, but we also see on the other
side this horseshoe coming together of a far right element
that would include I think now Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens,
maybe Thomas Massey, our previous caller.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
There's a much of that.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Has this underpinning of some kind of deeply seated anti Semitism,
And like you, I'm wondering where is that coming from
our side of it?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
And let me disagree with the premise here if I may, Ryan,
because I think when we talk about Candos owns, Tucker Carlson,
et cetera, I don't believe there is an anti Semitism there,
and I just don't know what the color Athena.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I don't know her.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Well, Oh, have you heard Candice Owans of late No? Wow, Yeah,
I haven't heard any heard anything very bad.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
All I'm trying to say is I think that somebody
can oppose America becoming involved in Iran right now, even
in the way we're talking about, which should be no
boots on the ground, but be the airstrikes. I think
a person could oppose that without being an anti semit
So let me just put it that way, Okay. I
think you can put together a coherent argument to do that.
(30:41):
I just think the far better argument, the stronger argument,
the weight of the evidence, starting with our own national
security a close second, our obligation Israel is in favor of,
if necessary, air power, only the US assisting in taking out.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Around's nuclear capabilities. Lord knows that it'll save our nation.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So what you agree though, that that someone who is
not anti Semitic could put together a credible argument against
US involvement.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Yes, and I hear that argument, and I actually understand
it to a large degree because I'm not an interventional
interventionist in any sense of the word. But I'm finding it,
especially on the left, you see this. Obviously they're all
about waving the Ukraine flag and they're one hundred percent
in on Ukraine against Russia, and then all of a
sudden they're oh, oh yeah about it.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, now, the anti Semitism on the left.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I'm not talking about your typical Democrat, but I'm talking
about the powers that control the Democratic Party. And look
at what they're doing right that. They're setting themselves on
fire with that, and they're hurting themselves.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
In so many ways.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, Josh Shapiro would have been a far better
candidate for them, but they couldn't do that in their
twisted worldview because he's Jewish. So no, the left, yeah,
a ton of anti Semitism. I think the credible argument
against my position. My position is if necessary, the US
should assist Israel and taking out the nuclear capability limit
that to air. Only credible argument against that is what's
(32:03):
unknown and uncontrollable. You know, best laid plans, right, et cetera.
But if the US goes in in the air, and
again I hope the US does if necessary, then you
never know what that might trigger in other ways, right,
You never know, for example, China, which has been flying
in and out of Iran, does that trip something with China?
(32:24):
And listen, the US has to stand up to China
in many different ways right now, but we don't want
a military conflict with China. But again, the far stronger,
better reasoned argument is if Israel needs the US to
help finish off the nuclear capability, and it can be
done from the air.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Then you do it.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
The one final point I'll make on Athena, where I
do agree to a large extent, is what changed. We
know that the intel has been out there that Iran's
trying to develop a nuclear weapon, but what escalated that,
what caused Israel to act? What I keep coming back
to is exactly what you said, though, Dan, I trust
Donald Trump to make this call and not be manipulated
by whatever pressure campaign might be put on by Benjamin
(33:04):
not Yahoo or anybody else.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
And I respect Israel's right to self defense as you do,
and to prevent the next Holocaust. But in terms of
the timing, listen, Israel has properly wanted to do this
for a long time, right, because there's this constant effort
as we speak right now, Ryan, all of the published
information I see suggest Iran is still enriching and is
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racing now to get the bombs, and was before, and
so Israel, I think, was waiting for a couple of things,
waiting for Biden to leave office, right, because it's only
doable with trumpet office, and at that point, I think
the Trump administration was asking Israel to hold off, right, Yeah, So,
I think Israel has properly wanted to do this for
(33:47):
quite a while, and it has done everything it could
to try to set back that nuclear program. But now
I think there's a window here, a window to do
a great service to our children and their grandchildren and
their grandchildren and the higher civilized world, our great ally Israel, and.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I'm very, very.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Confident this is going to end well for America, for
Israel and the world, but still a lot of pain
to come. Evil doesn't die easily, and this Iranian regime
is just straight out of hell.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Evil Ran.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Thank you for your great work, Kelly, you as well.
Enjoy everybody this beautiful evening, and please join us tomorrow
four oh six on the Dan Kapla Show.
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