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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Listeners are just getting a little annoyed that we haven't
told them what food your mother made or what way
your mother made food that you really hated.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Cake, Cake, Cake, Now, it wasn't the cake itself, it
was the frosting she put on the cake.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
What was wrong with it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
My mother's idea of frosting is granulated white sugar and butter.
You mix those two together and that's frosting.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay, then, okay then, And by the way, on the
liver and onions thing, a whole bunch of people were German,
and a lot of them said they think it wasn't
so much cultural as that it was very inexpensive, and
families that grew up kind of poor, especially Depression era of.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Families, would eat that stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right, now, let's go to my very special guest,
My good friend Wayne Logison is editorial page editor at
the Colorado Springs Gazette, and of course you know in
the Gazette family. You'll see his work at the Denver
Gazette as well from time to time. And I would
like to note for those of you who cannot see
Wayne right now, and that would be approximately all of you,
(01:02):
that Wayne is wearing a Leonard skinnered denim jacket right now,
so very very good Wayne, good to see you, Good
to see Ross.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Love Leonard skinnerd hate liver and onions. My mom made
it all the time, disgusting.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So if we were going to ask you what would
be the thing that your mom used to make that
you disliked the most, you would have said liver and
onions too, certainly, yes, and she loved it. She couldn't
get enough of it. So laguson is that sweetish?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
What is that? Danish? Danish?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay, Sorrygisen right, so Danish? So why do you think
she liked liver and onions? I don't really think of
that as a Danish tradition. Does it come from the
thing we were talking about where it was kind of
an inexpensive way to get some protein? The Danish comes
from that's on my father's side.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh, good point. So yes, good point.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
And she did have some Jewish background, so you know
she went have raised Jewish, she was Jewish.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, we were shocked what a huge percentage of the
people who didn't like liver and onions were not Jewish.
I thought they'd be all members of my tribe, but
they're actually almost all not all right, we're being very silly.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Oh it's very much her Jewish side, I think.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, Okay, I think so too, I think, and I
agree with you.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's bad.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wayne wrote a fabulous piece that actually a listener sent
me over the weekend called Dream of Californication, and it's
a long piece and we're not going to read all
of it or anything like that, but I'm going to
put most of this on Wayne here. So Wayne, I
think it's clear from the title, but just elaborate a
little bit on the point you are making in this
(02:41):
opinion piece.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Well, the piece details in a lot of detail, a
lot of documentation about how Colorado is becoming more California,
perhaps than even California. We're a smaller state as opposed
to thirty million people, were near not even six million people.
And this has just come on like gangbusters since about
(03:05):
twenty eighteen, when the Left gained control of both both
chambers of the legislature and by twenty twenty one had
every state office, both Senate seats.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So this is a juggernaut.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
They believe they have a mandate and they can and
will do anything they want, and so it's been sort
of like whiplash change in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I do think so I agree with everything you said,
and I'll say two things. I think the change in
Colorado is due to a.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Massive influx of Californians.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I think what a lot of people don't understand a
lot of people assume that the Californians who came here
came here because they didn't like the politics in California.
And I've been thinking about this for several years, because
you know, these folks have been coming in here and
damaging the state for a long time. I don't think
that's why they left California. I won't get into all
(04:07):
the other theories there, but the Californians who came here
are just as you know, are the same Californians who
voted in Gavin Newsom and now they're doing it here.
And the other thing I want to say that I've
said on the air too, like there are ballot measures
here that are so stupid and so left wing, like
free school lunches, even for the richest students in public
(04:27):
schools that even California right now would be too smart
to pass.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
That's right, free lunches, No, no.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
No test of what your income is or anything. Like that.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
So what we've done really across the board in Colorado
is taken from those who actually needed a social safety net,
people who didn't have the means to you know, eight
year old children have no means of providing health care
for themselves, uh, you know, in income families. Yet we've
expanded Medicaid to the point where and I think John
(05:04):
Hickenlooper is the one who said it, this is great
because people can pursue their creative side. Well, what we've
seen is a whole lot of people dropping out of
the employment, dropping out of the workforce so they can
pursue whatever their more fun interests are, painting murals, whatever
it may be, sculpting because they can go on Medicaid. Now,
(05:25):
this has taken Medicaid away from the people who this
program was really intended to help in the and it
does so in terms of four and five hour waits
and emergency rooms on it, you know, being unable to
make an appointment in any kind of a timely fashion.
We have taken from the poor and given to the
(05:46):
non poor. And we're doing that with school lunches, We're
doing it with health care and a whole bunch of
other things. And I'll add on to that for listeners.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Right, you heard some talk this year about so called
budget shortfall one point two billion dollars, and I struggle
with that concept because the budget was actually something like
six hundred and fifty million dollars bigger than the prior year,
but it was smaller than they were the Democrats were
hoping it would be. And just to elaborate or add
on to what Wayne said, next year, the budget challenge
(06:17):
is going to be much bigger probably than it was
this year. And the biggest reason is the expansion of
Medicaid that is.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Squeezing out everything else.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And I'll tell you even Republicans, unfortunately, are afraid of
reforms to Medicaid, even things like Republicans are mostly okay
with work requirements, but Republicans don't have the spine that
the state or the nation needs to reform this.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Wayne, do you want to add anything to that?
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, I mean they do need to reform it, because
I don't think able bodied adults, you know, who don't
have some sort of real physical or mental obstruction to working,
should be handed healthcare simply because they can, and we
don't have the resources for that. We've basically socialized medicine
(07:08):
in Colorado, which voters rejected resoundingly. We've gone through the
back door here with medicaid expansion, and they try to
sell it as if it's on compassion. This is helping
the eight year old kid who lives in a mobile
home park on the wrong side of town, when in
fact the expansion has hurt those people the most.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
This is this Californication trend that we're seeing has affected everything.
Personal income is down, the housing crisis is worse, the
economy is in the tank. We used to be a
leading state. I mean economically we were one. We let
in all indicators. Now we're near the bottom and you
can just go on down. Unemployment is up, job growth
(07:54):
is down, crime is way up, test scores and schools
are a terrible They're almost identical to those in California.
You can just get there's a whole long laundry list
of things of indicators that show this is not working
for Colorado.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
We're talking with Wayne Loguson. He is the editorial page
editor at the Colorado Springs Gazette Gazette dot com.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
You can also read his stuff at the Denver.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Gazette, which is Denver Gazette dot com. You know, I
thought one of the things that I really liked your focus.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
On in this piece.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And it's a long piece, as you say, with a
lot of data, and you touch on many different areas,
like you just said, a laundry list. But I like
this this section title a diminished brand, and I think
that's right. Or you know, maybe for the Californians who
we're moving here, maybe the brand isn't diminished. Maybe it's
(08:50):
just diminished for those of us who used to think
of this as something of a Western, slightly libertarian at
least purple state. You know, maybe for you and maybe
for you and me, it's a diminished brand. But maybe
for the people who are doing this they like, maybe
they like this change.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Sure, there are a lot of people who would say
this is great because we don't want people moving to Colorado.
But when people are not moving to Colorado and you're
actually seeing more out migration than in migration, it means
you're not a very attractive state anymore. So for the
people who live here, the people who already live here
and who stay here. When the brand goes down, the
quality of life also goes down, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I travel with my wife travels a lot for business,
particularly to Washington, DC. I go with her occasionally, and
I like to talk to buber drivers and cab drivers
and they've all heard about Colorado and they laugh when
you tell them you're from Colorado, and they start listing
off crazy things that Colorado is doing. Because all of
(09:57):
these people who these people who for a living, tend
to be very sensible people. They think a lot, they
listen to a lot of talk radio, and they know
what's going on here. So I can just sense the brand.
And it's not just cab drivers and uber drivers and such.
You just hear it in general from people when you
tell them where you're from. Oh, it's about drugs. That's
(10:21):
primarily drugs and illegal immigrants, is what our brand has become.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
The very end of your note, the section is entitled
at the Cliff's Edge, So I want to just broaden
that out a little bit and note by you note
Jared Polis is a well intentioned optimist, and I think
that's about right. Even though you and I probably disagree
with him more than we agree with him, I think
that's a fair characterization. And I fear, and I've told
listeners that I fear that the next governor is going
(10:50):
to make conservatives and libertarians long for the days of
Jared Polis. I think the next governor is going to
be much, much worse, which potentially brings you concept of
at the cliff's edge. You know, Polis might be a
guy like loosely trying to hold us from you know,
falling over the cliff.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
The next guy is gonna push us over.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Yeah, that's right, And I really thought I think that's
unfortunately true, But I thought Jared Polis would be a
pretty good keep this left wing legislature, much of which
is not representative the representative of the people because a
lot of the legislators are appointed. Democrats have figured out
that if you get somebody to resign before their term
(11:35):
is up, the machine can appoint someone, and they're pointing
people far left of what Colorado voters would actually want.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Polis.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
He's a protege of doctor Art Laffer, an economist, great
economists who sort of architected the Reagan economic revolution. I
thought he was going to be a lot better governor
than this, and he could be, yeah, but he lets
this party drag him around and they dragged him into
a you know, into a tar pit basically when they
(12:05):
had him sign SB three. I think that his chance
at nationwide office, he could have been the Democratic nominee
for president. I think that's gone now because that's just
not going to play in the rest of the country.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I don't agree with you, No, I don't. I don't
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I'm not saying that he's going to become president and
he's not, you know, as he has said in the past,
like if they want a you know, a bald gaye,
you they know where to look, right, that's his line.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
They know where to find him.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But but you know, my take is SB three is
a big plus for him, not necessarily in a general election,
but in a Republican primary. I think that's a that's
a plus for him.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
You think, okay, well, I just don't think that that's
going to play in the in the Midwest and the
Bible Belt and the industrial Northeast.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
But maybe I'm wrong about that. There are a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Amendment advocates used to be mostly on the right. That's
changing quite rapidly. As we saw Kamala Harris if I
pronounced that right, Kamala Harris. She talked about owning a
glock and she would shoot anybody who broke into her house.
And I think we're seeing some movement on the left
the war gun rights, which is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Maybe you're right, maybe this helps him well.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And Polus will market SB three as he has been,
which is saying we're not really banning the guns. We're
just making you, you know, have a little gun education
before you get it. And most people who are don't
pay much attention to firearms and don't care about the
Second Amendment. We'll probably think that's that's reasonable. In any case,
let me switch gears with you just about a minute
(13:42):
left here, And I know you're the editorial page editor,
but you you know you're at the Colorado Springs Gazette,
and I would like to know anything you want to
say about that raid on that so called underground nightclub yesterday.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Well, I think it proves that the Colorado's sanctuary policies,
both statewide and in Denver in particular. But statewide, I
mean this is interesting because our state law basically prohibits
local law enforcement from in any way cooperating with Ice
or any federal officials trying to enforce immigration law. And
(14:19):
yet we saw here the Sheriff's Department of El Paso County,
Douglas County, all sorts of law enforcement involved in this.
They don't like that law and they're trying to find
any way they can around it. At the local level,
I'm talking about cops with badges on the street.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
They know how dangerous this is.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And the fact that they raided an underground nightclub in
Colorado Springs and hauled in one hundred we're told illegal immigrants,
illegal aliens, whatever you want to call them. That tells
you that this is far from just Denver a problem
for Denver and Aurora. It has spread to the rest
of the state and will continue to do so. I
(14:58):
couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
And and later on in the show, I'm going to
tell listeners about a bill that is working its way
through the state legislature right now that would actually make
Colorado even more of a sanctuary state, if you can
imagine such a thing. Wayne Loguson is editorial page editor
at the Colorado Springs Gazette.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Gazette dot com is the.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Website that Denver Gazette and affiliated also Fantastic Publication at
Denver Gazette dot com and you can find his piece
at either one of those. It's called Dream of Californication.
It's more like a nightmare than a dream in it. Wayne,
thanks for being here. That's right, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Ross
Listeners are just getting a little annoyed that we haven't
told them what food your mother made or what way
your mother made food that you really hated.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Cake, Cake, Cake, Now, it wasn't the cake itself, it
was the frosting she put on the cake.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
What was wrong with it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
My mother's idea of frosting is granulated white sugar and butter.
You mix those two together and that's frosting.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay, then, okay then, And by the way, on the
liver and onions thing, a whole bunch of people were German,
and a lot of them said they think it wasn't
so much cultural as that it was very inexpensive, and
families that grew up kind of poor, especially Depression era of.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Families, would eat that stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right, now, let's go to my very special guest,
My good friend Wayne Logison is editorial page editor at
the Colorado Springs Gazette, and of course you know in
the Gazette family. You'll see his work at the Denver
Gazette as well from time to time. And I would
like to note for those of you who cannot see
Wayne right now, and that would be approximately all of you,
(01:02):
that Wayne is wearing a Leonard skinnered denim jacket right now,
so very very good Wayne, good to see you, Good
to see Ross.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Love Leonard skinnerd hate liver and onions. My mom made
it all the time, disgusting.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So if we were going to ask you what would
be the thing that your mom used to make that
you disliked the most, you would have said liver and
onions too, certainly, yes, and she loved it. She couldn't
get enough of it. So laguson is that sweetish?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
What is that? Danish? Danish?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay, Sorrygisen right, so Danish? So why do you think
she liked liver and onions? I don't really think of
that as a Danish tradition. Does it come from the
thing we were talking about where it was kind of
an inexpensive way to get some protein? The Danish comes
from that's on my father's side.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh, good point. So yes, good point.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
And she did have some Jewish background, so you know
she went have raised Jewish, she was Jewish.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, we were shocked what a huge percentage of the
people who didn't like liver and onions were not Jewish.
I thought they'd be all members of my tribe, but
they're actually almost all not all right, we're being very silly.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Oh it's very much her Jewish side, I think.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, Okay, I think so too, I think, and I
agree with you.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's bad.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wayne wrote a fabulous piece that actually a listener sent
me over the weekend called Dream of Californication, and it's
a long piece and we're not going to read all
of it or anything like that, but I'm going to
put most of this on Wayne here. So Wayne, I
think it's clear from the title, but just elaborate a
little bit on the point you are making in this
(02:41):
opinion piece.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Well, the piece details in a lot of detail, a
lot of documentation about how Colorado is becoming more California,
perhaps than even California. We're a smaller state as opposed
to thirty million people, were near not even six million people.
And this has just come on like gangbusters since about
(03:05):
twenty eighteen, when the Left gained control of both both
chambers of the legislature and by twenty twenty one had
every state office, both Senate seats.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So this is a juggernaut.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
They believe they have a mandate and they can and
will do anything they want, and so it's been sort
of like whiplash change in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I do think so I agree with everything you said,
and I'll say two things. I think the change in
Colorado is due to a.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Massive influx of Californians.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I think what a lot of people don't understand a
lot of people assume that the Californians who came here
came here because they didn't like the politics in California.
And I've been thinking about this for several years, because
you know, these folks have been coming in here and
damaging the state for a long time. I don't think
that's why they left California. I won't get into all
(04:07):
the other theories there, but the Californians who came here
are just as you know, are the same Californians who
voted in Gavin Newsom and now they're doing it here.
And the other thing I want to say that I've
said on the air too, like there are ballot measures
here that are so stupid and so left wing, like
free school lunches, even for the richest students in public
(04:27):
schools that even California right now would be too smart
to pass.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
That's right, free lunches, No, no.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
No test of what your income is or anything. Like that.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
So what we've done really across the board in Colorado
is taken from those who actually needed a social safety net,
people who didn't have the means to you know, eight
year old children have no means of providing health care
for themselves, uh, you know, in income families. Yet we've
expanded Medicaid to the point where and I think John
(05:04):
Hickenlooper is the one who said it, this is great
because people can pursue their creative side. Well, what we've
seen is a whole lot of people dropping out of
the employment, dropping out of the workforce so they can
pursue whatever their more fun interests are, painting murals, whatever
it may be, sculpting because they can go on Medicaid. Now,
(05:25):
this has taken Medicaid away from the people who this
program was really intended to help in the and it
does so in terms of four and five hour waits
and emergency rooms on it, you know, being unable to
make an appointment in any kind of a timely fashion.
We have taken from the poor and given to the
(05:46):
non poor. And we're doing that with school lunches, We're
doing it with health care and a whole bunch of
other things. And I'll add on to that for listeners.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Right, you heard some talk this year about so called
budget shortfall one point two billion dollars, and I struggle
with that concept because the budget was actually something like
six hundred and fifty million dollars bigger than the prior year,
but it was smaller than they were the Democrats were
hoping it would be. And just to elaborate or add
on to what Wayne said, next year, the budget challenge
(06:17):
is going to be much bigger probably than it was
this year. And the biggest reason is the expansion of
Medicaid that is.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Squeezing out everything else.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And I'll tell you even Republicans, unfortunately, are afraid of
reforms to Medicaid, even things like Republicans are mostly okay
with work requirements, but Republicans don't have the spine that
the state or the nation needs to reform this.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Wayne, do you want to add anything to that?
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, I mean they do need to reform it, because
I don't think able bodied adults, you know, who don't
have some sort of real physical or mental obstruction to working,
should be handed healthcare simply because they can, and we
don't have the resources for that. We've basically socialized medicine
(07:08):
in Colorado, which voters rejected resoundingly. We've gone through the
back door here with medicaid expansion, and they try to
sell it as if it's on compassion. This is helping
the eight year old kid who lives in a mobile
home park on the wrong side of town, when in
fact the expansion has hurt those people the most.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
This is this Californication trend that we're seeing has affected everything.
Personal income is down, the housing crisis is worse, the
economy is in the tank. We used to be a
leading state. I mean economically we were one. We let
in all indicators. Now we're near the bottom and you
can just go on down. Unemployment is up, job growth
(07:54):
is down, crime is way up, test scores and schools
are a terrible They're almost identical to those in California.
You can just get there's a whole long laundry list
of things of indicators that show this is not working
for Colorado.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
We're talking with Wayne Loguson. He is the editorial page
editor at the Colorado Springs Gazette Gazette dot com.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
You can also read his stuff at the Denver.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Gazette, which is Denver Gazette dot com. You know, I
thought one of the things that I really liked your focus.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
On in this piece.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And it's a long piece, as you say, with a
lot of data, and you touch on many different areas,
like you just said, a laundry list. But I like
this this section title a diminished brand, and I think
that's right. Or you know, maybe for the Californians who
we're moving here, maybe the brand isn't diminished. Maybe it's
(08:50):
just diminished for those of us who used to think
of this as something of a Western, slightly libertarian at
least purple state. You know, maybe for you and maybe
for you and me, it's a diminished brand. But maybe
for the people who are doing this they like, maybe
they like this change.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Sure, there are a lot of people who would say
this is great because we don't want people moving to Colorado.
But when people are not moving to Colorado and you're
actually seeing more out migration than in migration, it means
you're not a very attractive state anymore. So for the
people who live here, the people who already live here
and who stay here. When the brand goes down, the
quality of life also goes down, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I travel with my wife travels a lot for business,
particularly to Washington, DC. I go with her occasionally, and
I like to talk to buber drivers and cab drivers
and they've all heard about Colorado and they laugh when
you tell them you're from Colorado, and they start listing
off crazy things that Colorado is doing. Because all of
(09:57):
these people who these people who for a living, tend
to be very sensible people. They think a lot, they
listen to a lot of talk radio, and they know
what's going on here. So I can just sense the brand.
And it's not just cab drivers and uber drivers and such.
You just hear it in general from people when you
tell them where you're from. Oh, it's about drugs. That's
(10:21):
primarily drugs and illegal immigrants, is what our brand has become.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
The very end of your note, the section is entitled
at the Cliff's Edge, So I want to just broaden
that out a little bit and note by you note
Jared Polis is a well intentioned optimist, and I think
that's about right. Even though you and I probably disagree
with him more than we agree with him, I think
that's a fair characterization. And I fear, and I've told
listeners that I fear that the next governor is going
(10:50):
to make conservatives and libertarians long for the days of
Jared Polis. I think the next governor is going to
be much, much worse, which potentially brings you concept of
at the cliff's edge. You know, Polis might be a
guy like loosely trying to hold us from you know,
falling over the cliff.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
The next guy is gonna push us over.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Yeah, that's right, And I really thought I think that's
unfortunately true, But I thought Jared Polis would be a
pretty good keep this left wing legislature, much of which
is not representative the representative of the people because a
lot of the legislators are appointed. Democrats have figured out
that if you get somebody to resign before their term
(11:35):
is up, the machine can appoint someone, and they're pointing
people far left of what Colorado voters would actually want.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Polis.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
He's a protege of doctor Art Laffer, an economist, great
economists who sort of architected the Reagan economic revolution. I
thought he was going to be a lot better governor
than this, and he could be, yeah, but he lets
this party drag him around and they dragged him into
a you know, into a tar pit basically when they
(12:05):
had him sign SB three. I think that his chance
at nationwide office, he could have been the Democratic nominee
for president. I think that's gone now because that's just
not going to play in the rest of the country.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I don't agree with you, No, I don't. I don't
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I'm not saying that he's going to become president and
he's not, you know, as he has said in the past,
like if they want a you know, a bald gaye,
you they know where to look, right, that's his line.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
They know where to find him.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But but you know, my take is SB three is
a big plus for him, not necessarily in a general election,
but in a Republican primary. I think that's a that's
a plus for him.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
You think, okay, well, I just don't think that that's
going to play in the in the Midwest and the
Bible Belt and the industrial Northeast.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
But maybe I'm wrong about that. There are a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Amendment advocates used to be mostly on the right. That's
changing quite rapidly. As we saw Kamala Harris if I
pronounced that right, Kamala Harris. She talked about owning a
glock and she would shoot anybody who broke into her house.
And I think we're seeing some movement on the left
the war gun rights, which is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Maybe you're right, maybe this helps him well.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And Polus will market SB three as he has been,
which is saying we're not really banning the guns. We're
just making you, you know, have a little gun education
before you get it. And most people who are don't
pay much attention to firearms and don't care about the
Second Amendment. We'll probably think that's that's reasonable. In any case,
let me switch gears with you just about a minute
(13:42):
left here, And I know you're the editorial page editor,
but you you know you're at the Colorado Springs Gazette,
and I would like to know anything you want to
say about that raid on that so called underground nightclub yesterday.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Well, I think it proves that the Colorado's sanctuary policies,
both statewide and in Denver in particular. But statewide, I
mean this is interesting because our state law basically prohibits
local law enforcement from in any way cooperating with Ice
or any federal officials trying to enforce immigration law. And
(14:19):
yet we saw here the Sheriff's Department of El Paso County,
Douglas County, all sorts of law enforcement involved in this.
They don't like that law and they're trying to find
any way they can around it. At the local level,
I'm talking about cops with badges on the street.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
They know how dangerous this is.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And the fact that they raided an underground nightclub in
Colorado Springs and hauled in one hundred we're told illegal immigrants,
illegal aliens, whatever you want to call them. That tells
you that this is far from just Denver a problem
for Denver and Aurora. It has spread to the rest
of the state and will continue to do so. I
(14:58):
couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
And and later on in the show, I'm going to
tell listeners about a bill that is working its way
through the state legislature right now that would actually make
Colorado even more of a sanctuary state, if you can
imagine such a thing. Wayne Loguson is editorial page editor
at the Colorado Springs Gazette.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Gazette dot com is the.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Website that Denver Gazette and affiliated also Fantastic Publication at
Denver Gazette dot com and you can find his piece
at either one of those. It's called Dream of Californication.
It's more like a nightmare than a dream in it. Wayne,
thanks for being here. That's right, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
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