June 13, 2025 • 17 mins
Ruthie Blum is an award-winning columnist and senior contributing editor for JNS. She lives in Israel but joins us today from New York to discuss Israel's attack on Iran.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My favorite guest, and I think your favorite guest when
it comes to topics related to Israel is Ruthie Bloom
And Ruthie is an award winning columnist at JNS and
JNS dot org. And she's also a former advisor to
the net and Yahoo administration and just very well sourced,
very experienced, and has a deep understanding of Israel and
(00:23):
the region. And she joins us now to talk about
what's going on. Hi Ruthie, thanks for coming back with us.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm sure you're much in demand today. Appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hi Ross, I'm really glad to be here.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I'm only sorry that I'm in the United States at
the moment visiting family, and sorry because I should be
in Israel right now, as Israel is bombing Iran and
finally taking care of this threat.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'd like you to repeat to listeners what you said
to me when I said to you a moment ago
off the air that while I'm not a fan of
war and people shouldn't be, I actually kind of feel
like cheering today.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
And what I said to you was nobody's a fan
of war, but this is a way to end a war,
not to start it.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Elaborate on this a little bit, and in particular what
you think the mindset is in Israel and in Benjamin
Ettnya who regarding increasing proximity to war? And I guess
the question, the simplest version of the question is why now?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Okay, So, first of all increasing proximity to war.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Israel has been at war for.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Its entire existence because enemies attacking, but in particular, since
October seventh, twenty twenty three, there's been a seventh front war.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Going on against Israel.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So to act as though this is the start of
some war, those fronts are all Iranian proxies. By the way,
why a few reasons why now? One, Up until now
Israel had to weaken the all the proxies Hamas and.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Gaza, Risbala and Lebanon.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
All right, the Asad regime in Syria fell have to
deal with the Syrian threat that is less in some
ways and perhaps more in others, because the leader of
Syria now is a former we hope former ISIS slash
al Qaeda member, and he was on a wanted list,
I mean he's he was a lifelong terrorist, so we'll see.
(02:37):
But we had also we have militias from Iraq and
the Husi Is from Yemen firing repeatedly on Israel.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And though most of the Husi missiles.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Were intercepted, it sends a million and a half Israelis
into bomb shelters in the middle of the night, in
the morning, children in nursery schools, and it makes the
airport shut down and other It's a huge disruption. So
why now is Israel has decimated most of those other forces,
it hasn't finished them off. Still there are hostages in Gaza,
(03:12):
but all of those proxies have been severely weakened. And
also why now is that Iran According to the International
Atomic Energy Agency, Iran has enriched uranium.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Enough for nine or ten nuclear bombs.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
So in the meantime, President Trump had requested of Nitania.
We know this because President Trump said so, requested that
NATANIO last week.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I think it was don't.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Attack Iran now while I'm negotiating, I'm trying to get
a deal with Iran. Well, the deal hasn't been working.
Not that there would be a good deal with Iran.
You can't have a good deal with a radical Islamist.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Regime or terrorists.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
But anyway, NITAIO, you know Trump is the greatest Uh.
He is the leader of the free world and is
the greatest.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Ally of Israel.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
So n'atanao accepted that in the meantime, there's a lot
of planning that's going into this. So and why now
Another thing is in the last few days there have
been a lot of fake outs for the Iranian regime,
and that is why a lot of the leadership was
in the same room at the same time and knocked
off a little bit like the beeper operation in Lebanon
(04:30):
with Rizabella.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay, there's there's a lot there. So, uh, let's see
where do I want to go first. I said to
my listeners yesterday morning, shortly after this news hit that
when Iran threatened, they said two things. After the IAEA said, hey,
Iran's not in compliance, Iran said two things. They said,
we're going to open another uranium and Richmond site and
(04:54):
do some other unspecified things related to their nuclear program.
And then the other thing they said was and AMERI, you.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Should understand that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
You know, if this starts going pear shape, we're going
to attack you, your facilities and people in the Middle East.
And what I said to my listeners was, I don't
know whether the Iranians thought Joe Biden was still in office.
But how did they, you know, what did they think
was going to come of saying that kind of.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Thing to Donald Trump?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And I so I wonder if this would have happened anyway,
or I wonder if that kind of bluster from Iran
got Trump to say, all right, I've had enough, baby,
go ahead, do you have any even just a guess
on that?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well, it proves that you evil and stupid can happen simultaneous.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Okay, there, it's not one or the other.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And I will say that I think the West doesn't
grasp that radical Islamics they also have a religious it's
not also they have a religious ideology. It isn't merely
you know, a real politique.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And what they say they mean.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Okay, now, you're absolutely right that the worst thing you
can do is start insulting President Trump because he takes
everything personally.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And so that was not a smart move on their part.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
But thank god, thank god that they were honest about it,
because I'm sure that it had an effect on Trump's
willingness to realize that things are not moving in the
direction he'd hoped for. And I think even Steve Whitcoff,
his envoy, you know, is appointed envoy for negotiations.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think it's possible.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Steve Whitcoff said to him, Hey, you know what, this
is not This is not happening. And in the meantime,
Prime Minister Natanielle was saying, look, we respect you, you're
our greatest ally. However, this is a direct threat on us,
and Iran says, you know, we're gonna wipe Israel off
the map, and if it has the capability to do so,
we can't wait endlessly because this is it's a threat
(06:56):
to the whole world and to the reason, but it's
a direct threat on Israel. And I think what happened
was that in the last week or so, there's been
a lot of planning and if you notice the day
before yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Or yesterday, I can it's hard for me to keep
track with the time change between Israeli.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
But the State Department told all non essential personnel to
get out of the Middle East. In Israel, the US
Embassy told American employees to stay within the confines of
three cities in Israel. You could tell something was moving,
and what we now know is that it was a
(07:35):
complete lie.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That Trump had turned on Israel.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Because they were they were clearly coordinating this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I don't mean that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I don't mean that American troops or America was involved
in the strikes, but that Nitannio didn't do this without
informing Trump and getting a green light.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
There's just no way you.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Just went where I was going to go. I talked
about this before you came on the show. You know,
you have these people out there saying, well, two hours
or whatever it was before the strike, reporter asked Trump,
do you think an Israeli attack is imminent? And he
said no, And then you have these reporters saying this
show is a rift between BB and Trump. And I'm thinking,
(08:17):
all right, you like, are you a little stupid or
are you like? The chances of there being a rift
and that of bbe going ahead with this without a
yes from Trump is some.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Small single digit percentage. At most, it might be zero.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And it seems to me that when Trump said no,
it's not imminent, he knew it was imminent and he
was just being the best ally Israel could imagine. And
I'm very grateful for that. Do you see it the
same way I do?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Absolutely When he and Milania went to the Kennedy Center
to the opening of Le Miz and reporters sort of
stopped him to talk. Notice he was very his answers
are very terse, and that's not Trump Trump. Just give
him a camera, right and he'll just go on and on.
And that to me, Also, I said, uh ah, something's happening.
(09:08):
He didn't give a long answer. There are many signs
that he knew exactly what was going to happen, and
he did not spill the beans. And I would say
the Defense Department new and the State Department new. And
by the way, speaking of fake outs, Nittania's office had
announced that he and his wife are going to spend
the weekend up north in an airbnb of something, in
(09:31):
a hotel, in an airbnb with a swimming pool, and of
course all the left went berserk. How can he take
a vacation where there's hostages in Gaza And it was
a lie. Oh, and that he was going to hold
a cabinet meeting on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
It was all on purpose.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, just fabulous, absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, So let's I realized that, I mean, you said
it was unfortunate, but whatever that you live in Israel,
but you're not there right now. You would like to be,
but I'm sure you're talking with people all the time.
I'm sure you probably got hardly any sleep over the
past day. And what's the mood in Israel right now?
And what's what's this moment like for somebody in Israel?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And I mean that literally, like what are they doing?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Okay? So I can tell you you're absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
My phone has been buzzing my WhatsApp messages, but mainly
because my children and grandchildren are in Israel and they
slept in bomb shelters last night.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
They were told don't go. Also, no school, no work.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Today, stay close to your shelters. Yesterday it wasn't to
stay close to your shelters. It was if your home
doesn't have a proper bomb shelter, go to a neighborhood
actual shelter and stay there.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Until further further notice.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
So I and my family were sleeping on the floor
of bomb shelters and things like that, and this morning
the all clear was given temporarily.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean even when my son went.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Out to buy a bunch of snacks for his kids
and stuff like that, so they would be prepared so
that's on the one hand, imagine okay, no school, no work,
and the directive was stay off the roads. If you
don't have to be in your cargoing somewhere, don't right,
So that there's like a there's a mood that is
(11:22):
similar to let's say, right after October seventh and COVID. Okay,
like lockdown people, right, But there's also elation. I have
to tell you, it's very interesting, even the really ANTIBB left,
I mean not the traders, but you.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Know, people, a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
It's like with America, the people hate Trump, people love Trump.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
The same in Israel. But even they are happy because
this is.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
A consensus, consensus issue in Israel is the Iranian threat.
So of course there are some naysayers, and as we see,
you know, there are ed writers in English and in
Hebrews saying this is gonna escalate, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
The general mood is thank god.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
We're talking with Ruthie Bloom, an award winning columnists from JNSJNS
dot org is the website and my favorite guest on
all things related to Israel. I want to ask you
about another thing that I mentioned to listeners before you
came on. President Trump sent out a couple of messages
on social media. One of them said, you know you
(12:26):
had a chance, and I won't go through all that.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
The second one this morning was.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Much shorter, and it was along the lines of and
I'm gonna paraphrase, but Iran, it's not too late for
you to save yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You could have a second chance.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
And what I said to listeners, and I want to
get your reaction, what I said to listeners is at
the risk of violating godwins law. Chamberlain gave Churchillis, Chamberlain
gave Hitler a second chance, and Iran is just this
generation's third right, or they.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Would like to be. And I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I'm not down with the idea of giving them a
second chance because there is no agreement you can make
with them that they will abide by.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So to me, the.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Only second chance offer I would give that government is
you can leave and go into exile or else.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Well, right, first of all, I agree one hundred percent
with you about your comparison, the Nazi comparison. And also
there's no deal to be made. But I'll tell you
how I interpret that second tweet.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It's not a tweet it was untruth social.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
But you know, I don't know what you call it
a post whatever is that it's related to the first
because in the first he said all your leaders are dead, all.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Your hardliners are dead.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
When he said you can have a second chance, it
was like, Okay, I warned you all you people are
dead and more are to be. More of your leaders
are going to be dead, so now would you like
to change your two I think this was a way
of saying, you know, up to you guys, and telling
the Iranian people, listen, we're knocking off our israel Is
(14:11):
knocking off all those leaders. You can now feel freer
to demonstrate, to protest against the.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Regime the way they have been.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
That's how I interpret it that he's actually saying, yeah,
I want piece, I'm happy to I'm happy to negotiate
if what you do is capitulate to us. But if
you don't, more of you will be dead and not
the Iranian people. This is really crucial because we know
that anti Israel voices are always saying that Israelis are
(14:40):
trying to kill everybody.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
It is not true.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
You're talking about blood thirsty Islamist radical terrorists, not the
people of Iran.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
There is no intention.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Israel certainly has no intention of killing Iranians, and Trump
has said that all along, So I interpret that as
a follow up message to your hardliners, are all dead
now you want to talk?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And if there had been any even moderate much less
you know, severe, if there had been even moderate civilian
casualties in Tehran, that would be the only thing the
legacy media would be talking about. Nobody's talking about it
because it didn't happen, because Israel's targeting was so incredibly precise.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
It really is a miracle of modern warfare.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
How they're able to take out these generals and the
top scientists. There aren't usually a ton of people around
the nuclear facilities, but the people who are there you
probably want them dead anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But what a remarkable thing.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Oh, totally remarkable.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
And you know it likes the beeper operation in eleven
Hour because BLA terrorists were all into all their beepers
went off at the same time.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
There was not this.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
What what happened here was there was intelligence about a
top secret meeting of Iranian officials all in one room
at the same time, and they were all taken out.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Boom Okay, so that's why there.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Are these memes circulating showing uh, the Supreme Leader hamon
Ae like you're you're up next, buddy, and you know
you think it's not funny to laugh at that stuff,
but I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You are talking about a very moral operation.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
And yes, when you kill evil, that is a moral act.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Ruthie Bloom Award winning columnist for JNS. JNS dot org
is the website, also in her past an advisor to
the net Yahoo administration in Israel. Thank you so much.
You know it's these are things are always very unpredictable.
But so far so good. I'm not killing any chickens,
but so far so good. And we'll just hope it
(17:03):
keeps going the good guy's way.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Absolutely, and thanks for having me again, Ross.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Glad to do it. Thanks Ruthie. Safe travels back to Israel.
My favorite guest, and I think your favorite guest when
it comes to topics related to Israel is Ruthie Bloom
And Ruthie is an award winning columnist at JNS and
JNS dot org. And she's also a former advisor to
the net and Yahoo administration and just very well sourced,
very experienced, and has a deep understanding of Israel and
(00:23):
the region. And she joins us now to talk about
what's going on. Hi Ruthie, thanks for coming back with us.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm sure you're much in demand today. Appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hi Ross, I'm really glad to be here.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I'm only sorry that I'm in the United States at
the moment visiting family, and sorry because I should be
in Israel right now, as Israel is bombing Iran and
finally taking care of this threat.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'd like you to repeat to listeners what you said
to me when I said to you a moment ago
off the air that while I'm not a fan of
war and people shouldn't be, I actually kind of feel
like cheering today.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
And what I said to you was nobody's a fan
of war, but this is a way to end a war,
not to start it.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Elaborate on this a little bit, and in particular what
you think the mindset is in Israel and in Benjamin
Ettnya who regarding increasing proximity to war? And I guess
the question, the simplest version of the question is why now?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Okay, So, first of all increasing proximity to war.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Israel has been at war for.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Its entire existence because enemies attacking, but in particular, since
October seventh, twenty twenty three, there's been a seventh front war.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Going on against Israel.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So to act as though this is the start of
some war, those fronts are all Iranian proxies. By the way,
why a few reasons why now? One, Up until now
Israel had to weaken the all the proxies Hamas and.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Gaza, Risbala and Lebanon.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
All right, the Asad regime in Syria fell have to
deal with the Syrian threat that is less in some
ways and perhaps more in others, because the leader of
Syria now is a former we hope former ISIS slash
al Qaeda member, and he was on a wanted list,
I mean he's he was a lifelong terrorist, so we'll see.
(02:37):
But we had also we have militias from Iraq and
the Husi Is from Yemen firing repeatedly on Israel.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And though most of the Husi missiles.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Were intercepted, it sends a million and a half Israelis
into bomb shelters in the middle of the night, in
the morning, children in nursery schools, and it makes the
airport shut down and other It's a huge disruption. So
why now is Israel has decimated most of those other forces,
it hasn't finished them off. Still there are hostages in Gaza,
(03:12):
but all of those proxies have been severely weakened. And
also why now is that Iran According to the International
Atomic Energy Agency, Iran has enriched uranium.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Enough for nine or ten nuclear bombs.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
So in the meantime, President Trump had requested of Nitania.
We know this because President Trump said so, requested that
NATANIO last week.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I think it was don't.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Attack Iran now while I'm negotiating, I'm trying to get
a deal with Iran. Well, the deal hasn't been working.
Not that there would be a good deal with Iran.
You can't have a good deal with a radical Islamist.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Regime or terrorists.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
But anyway, NITAIO, you know Trump is the greatest Uh.
He is the leader of the free world and is
the greatest.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Ally of Israel.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
So n'atanao accepted that in the meantime, there's a lot
of planning that's going into this. So and why now
Another thing is in the last few days there have
been a lot of fake outs for the Iranian regime,
and that is why a lot of the leadership was
in the same room at the same time and knocked
off a little bit like the beeper operation in Lebanon
(04:30):
with Rizabella.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay, there's there's a lot there. So, uh, let's see
where do I want to go first. I said to
my listeners yesterday morning, shortly after this news hit that
when Iran threatened, they said two things. After the IAEA said, hey,
Iran's not in compliance, Iran said two things. They said,
we're going to open another uranium and Richmond site and
(04:54):
do some other unspecified things related to their nuclear program.
And then the other thing they said was and AMERI, you.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Should understand that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
You know, if this starts going pear shape, we're going
to attack you, your facilities and people in the Middle East.
And what I said to my listeners was, I don't
know whether the Iranians thought Joe Biden was still in office.
But how did they, you know, what did they think
was going to come of saying that kind of.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Thing to Donald Trump?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And I so I wonder if this would have happened anyway,
or I wonder if that kind of bluster from Iran
got Trump to say, all right, I've had enough, baby,
go ahead, do you have any even just a guess
on that?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well, it proves that you evil and stupid can happen simultaneous.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Okay, there, it's not one or the other.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And I will say that I think the West doesn't
grasp that radical Islamics they also have a religious it's
not also they have a religious ideology. It isn't merely
you know, a real politique.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And what they say they mean.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Okay, now, you're absolutely right that the worst thing you
can do is start insulting President Trump because he takes
everything personally.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And so that was not a smart move on their part.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
But thank god, thank god that they were honest about it,
because I'm sure that it had an effect on Trump's
willingness to realize that things are not moving in the
direction he'd hoped for. And I think even Steve Whitcoff,
his envoy, you know, is appointed envoy for negotiations.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think it's possible.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Steve Whitcoff said to him, Hey, you know what, this
is not This is not happening. And in the meantime,
Prime Minister Natanielle was saying, look, we respect you, you're
our greatest ally. However, this is a direct threat on us,
and Iran says, you know, we're gonna wipe Israel off
the map, and if it has the capability to do so,
we can't wait endlessly because this is it's a threat
(06:56):
to the whole world and to the reason, but it's
a direct threat on Israel. And I think what happened
was that in the last week or so, there's been
a lot of planning and if you notice the day
before yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Or yesterday, I can it's hard for me to keep
track with the time change between Israeli.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
But the State Department told all non essential personnel to
get out of the Middle East. In Israel, the US
Embassy told American employees to stay within the confines of
three cities in Israel. You could tell something was moving,
and what we now know is that it was a
(07:35):
complete lie.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That Trump had turned on Israel.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Because they were they were clearly coordinating this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I don't mean that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I don't mean that American troops or America was involved
in the strikes, but that Nitannio didn't do this without
informing Trump and getting a green light.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
There's just no way you.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Just went where I was going to go. I talked
about this before you came on the show. You know,
you have these people out there saying, well, two hours
or whatever it was before the strike, reporter asked Trump,
do you think an Israeli attack is imminent? And he
said no, And then you have these reporters saying this
show is a rift between BB and Trump. And I'm thinking,
(08:17):
all right, you like, are you a little stupid or
are you like? The chances of there being a rift
and that of bbe going ahead with this without a
yes from Trump is some.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Small single digit percentage. At most, it might be zero.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And it seems to me that when Trump said no,
it's not imminent, he knew it was imminent and he
was just being the best ally Israel could imagine. And
I'm very grateful for that. Do you see it the
same way I do?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Absolutely When he and Milania went to the Kennedy Center
to the opening of Le Miz and reporters sort of
stopped him to talk. Notice he was very his answers
are very terse, and that's not Trump Trump. Just give
him a camera, right and he'll just go on and on.
And that to me, Also, I said, uh ah, something's happening.
(09:08):
He didn't give a long answer. There are many signs
that he knew exactly what was going to happen, and
he did not spill the beans. And I would say
the Defense Department new and the State Department new. And
by the way, speaking of fake outs, Nittania's office had
announced that he and his wife are going to spend
the weekend up north in an airbnb of something, in
(09:31):
a hotel, in an airbnb with a swimming pool, and of
course all the left went berserk. How can he take
a vacation where there's hostages in Gaza And it was
a lie. Oh, and that he was going to hold
a cabinet meeting on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
It was all on purpose.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, just fabulous, absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, So let's I realized that, I mean, you said
it was unfortunate, but whatever that you live in Israel,
but you're not there right now. You would like to be,
but I'm sure you're talking with people all the time.
I'm sure you probably got hardly any sleep over the
past day. And what's the mood in Israel right now?
And what's what's this moment like for somebody in Israel?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And I mean that literally, like what are they doing?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Okay? So I can tell you you're absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
My phone has been buzzing my WhatsApp messages, but mainly
because my children and grandchildren are in Israel and they
slept in bomb shelters last night.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
They were told don't go. Also, no school, no work.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Today, stay close to your shelters. Yesterday it wasn't to
stay close to your shelters. It was if your home
doesn't have a proper bomb shelter, go to a neighborhood
actual shelter and stay there.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Until further further notice.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
So I and my family were sleeping on the floor
of bomb shelters and things like that, and this morning
the all clear was given temporarily.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean even when my son went.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Out to buy a bunch of snacks for his kids
and stuff like that, so they would be prepared so
that's on the one hand, imagine okay, no school, no work,
and the directive was stay off the roads. If you
don't have to be in your cargoing somewhere, don't right,
So that there's like a there's a mood that is
(11:22):
similar to let's say, right after October seventh and COVID. Okay,
like lockdown people, right, But there's also elation. I have
to tell you, it's very interesting, even the really ANTIBB left,
I mean not the traders, but you.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Know, people, a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
It's like with America, the people hate Trump, people love Trump.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
The same in Israel. But even they are happy because
this is.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
A consensus, consensus issue in Israel is the Iranian threat.
So of course there are some naysayers, and as we see,
you know, there are ed writers in English and in
Hebrews saying this is gonna escalate, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
The general mood is thank god.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
We're talking with Ruthie Bloom, an award winning columnists from JNSJNS
dot org is the website and my favorite guest on
all things related to Israel. I want to ask you
about another thing that I mentioned to listeners before you
came on. President Trump sent out a couple of messages
on social media. One of them said, you know you
(12:26):
had a chance, and I won't go through all that.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
The second one this morning was.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Much shorter, and it was along the lines of and
I'm gonna paraphrase, but Iran, it's not too late for
you to save yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You could have a second chance.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
And what I said to listeners, and I want to
get your reaction, what I said to listeners is at
the risk of violating godwins law. Chamberlain gave Churchillis, Chamberlain
gave Hitler a second chance, and Iran is just this
generation's third right, or they.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Would like to be. And I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I'm not down with the idea of giving them a
second chance because there is no agreement you can make
with them that they will abide by.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So to me, the.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Only second chance offer I would give that government is
you can leave and go into exile or else.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Well, right, first of all, I agree one hundred percent
with you about your comparison, the Nazi comparison. And also
there's no deal to be made. But I'll tell you
how I interpret that second tweet.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It's not a tweet it was untruth social.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
But you know, I don't know what you call it
a post whatever is that it's related to the first
because in the first he said all your leaders are dead, all.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Your hardliners are dead.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
When he said you can have a second chance, it
was like, Okay, I warned you all you people are
dead and more are to be. More of your leaders
are going to be dead, so now would you like
to change your two I think this was a way
of saying, you know, up to you guys, and telling
the Iranian people, listen, we're knocking off our israel Is
(14:11):
knocking off all those leaders. You can now feel freer
to demonstrate, to protest against the.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Regime the way they have been.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
That's how I interpret it that he's actually saying, yeah,
I want piece, I'm happy to I'm happy to negotiate
if what you do is capitulate to us. But if
you don't, more of you will be dead and not
the Iranian people. This is really crucial because we know
that anti Israel voices are always saying that Israelis are
(14:40):
trying to kill everybody.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
It is not true.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
You're talking about blood thirsty Islamist radical terrorists, not the
people of Iran.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
There is no intention.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Israel certainly has no intention of killing Iranians, and Trump
has said that all along, So I interpret that as
a follow up message to your hardliners, are all dead
now you want to talk?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And if there had been any even moderate much less
you know, severe, if there had been even moderate civilian
casualties in Tehran, that would be the only thing the
legacy media would be talking about. Nobody's talking about it
because it didn't happen, because Israel's targeting was so incredibly precise.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
It really is a miracle of modern warfare.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
How they're able to take out these generals and the
top scientists. There aren't usually a ton of people around
the nuclear facilities, but the people who are there you
probably want them dead anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But what a remarkable thing.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Oh, totally remarkable.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
And you know it likes the beeper operation in eleven
Hour because BLA terrorists were all into all their beepers
went off at the same time.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
There was not this.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
What what happened here was there was intelligence about a
top secret meeting of Iranian officials all in one room
at the same time, and they were all taken out.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Boom Okay, so that's why there.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Are these memes circulating showing uh, the Supreme Leader hamon
Ae like you're you're up next, buddy, and you know
you think it's not funny to laugh at that stuff,
but I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You are talking about a very moral operation.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
And yes, when you kill evil, that is a moral act.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Ruthie Bloom Award winning columnist for JNS. JNS dot org
is the website, also in her past an advisor to
the net Yahoo administration in Israel. Thank you so much.
You know it's these are things are always very unpredictable.
But so far so good. I'm not killing any chickens,
but so far so good. And we'll just hope it
(17:03):
keeps going the good guy's way.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Absolutely, and thanks for having me again, Ross.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Glad to do it. Thanks Ruthie. Safe travels back to Israel.
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