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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Koa.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We're ninety nine years old right now, we're going to
be one hundred in less than two months.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
I'm very excited, very excited about that. I am so.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Pleased to be joined by my good friend Greg Brophy,
former state senator, was in leadership on the Republican side
when he was in the state Senate, former candidate for
governor as well. And Greg, I'm going to start with
the question that I am asking listeners today because it
is Scar Appreciation Day? Do you have any interesting scars
(00:32):
that have an interesting story associated with them?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Have a pretty good sized scar underneath my left arm
on what would be my lat that I got from
a barbed wire fence, but I usually tell people it was.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
A knife fight.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
And then I had my appendix taken out when I
was like six, so I got that one.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Mm hmm, all right, And how did you get caught
on Barbara Ware?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And I had a big old scar on my right
hip where I got hit by a car and broke
both my legs.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Had surgery for that.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Wait, you can't just leave you can't leave that out.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You just thought of that last sorry, you just thought
of that one. Wait, yeah, you were hit by a
car broke both hips and had surgery.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Is that what you said?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Broke one hip one?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I broke one hip and one fibula, and I had
surgery to repair the hip.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
And it still hurts.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And you thought of your tiny appendix scar from when
you were six years old before you thought of that.
All right, all right, all right, I sprung it on me. Yeah, yeah,
I know, I know I didn't. I didn't prepare Greg
for that question, but still, okay. So I'm doing kind
of an ongoing thing here on the show regarding proposition
(01:47):
one thirty one, which I definitely have an opinion about.
And I wrote in my voter guide that I am
in favor of proposition one thirty one, and I explained
why I'm in favor of proposition one thirty one, and
I hear, I hear arguments against it, and I listened
to them, but I'm not convinced by them. I was
actually kind of surprised to learn that my friend Greg
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Brophy is in favor of proposition one thirty one. If
I had had to guess, I would have guessed incorrectly
that you would.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Have opposed it.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And so I really wanted to talk to you on
the show to understand why you are where you are.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, well, you got.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
To remember, I look at pretty much everything through the
lens of you know, how is this going to treat
rural Colorado? I mean, you know, we are now, unfortunately
the residence of a deep blue state, but I'm from
a very ruby red area of the state. And you know,
(02:53):
given the situation that we have in the state now,
where our parties are so dysfunctional, and we decided to
allow the unaffiliated people to vote in primaries years and
years ago, almost half the state are unaffiliated. So you know,
if you live out here in eastern Colorado and you
want to have a say in who's going to be
elected state representative or state senator, you necessarily have to
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fill out the Republican primary ballot, because more likely than not,
if you win the Republican primary, you're going to win the.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
State House or the state Senensee.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Conversely, if you want to have a say in who's
going to be the governor of Colorado under the current system,
you have to fill out the Democratic primary because more
likely than not, the person that wins the Democratic primary
is going to be the governor. So it really leaves
you without you know, kind of a Hobson's choice here,
you got to decide which way.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
You want to go.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, having the all candidate primary solves that problem, so
now we can have a say in every important race
on the ballot. And then ultimately I'm not as big
of a fan of the instant run off thing.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I kind of wanted to just advance two out of
the primary, out of the Alcanic primary.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
But there are good arguments for advancing more than two.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And if force the number, then fine, force the number.
We'll have.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
We'll have a we'll have a better contest than in
those weird times where some member of Congress retires and
you're going to elect a new member of Congress who's
probably going to serve for twenty years or thirty years.
I mean, Diama, the guest's been in office for twenty
eight years. Doug Lambordon was a congressman for twenty years.
So you only get a chance to, you know, get
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a bite at that apple like twice in your lifetime.
And I don't want to see someone win that race,
like by winning the crowded primary with a twenty eight
percent plurality and then going on to serve in Congress
for two decades or three decades. So the Alcanic primary
rank choice voting solves that problem also.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Right, and just on the on the two versus four thing.
The reason that I prefer four candidates in the general
it is that you can easily imagine that in a
state like Colorado that is very predominantly blue for statewide races,
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not for you know, the race in where where you're from,
for state house or state senate, but for for senator,
for governor, for attorney general, for a lot of the
and and even even for some congressional districts, that if
you only took two out of the primary, they would.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Both be Democrats. Uh, And that that would happen a.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Lot, And it happens a lot in California right now.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It actually didn't happen in their Senate race.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But that's because Democrats put up three fairly credible candidates
and only one credible Republican, very credible Republican really, and
he came in second. But the reason California only has
two going into the general election is because the Democrats
there wanted to rig it so that there would be
no Republicans in elections.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, that's and that's a that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And I'll so in that California race, I think Shifty
spent a lot of money to elevate the Republicans, so
you would have to face a Democrat in the general election,
and you.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Could see it.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You could see in a super ruby red area like
the fourth you could see a scenario where there's an
open congressional seat first time in a while, and there's
let's say there's six Republicans running, and they split the
Republicans side of the six ways.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Fairly evenly, not like this last time.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
But so let's say they split it fairly evenly and
only two Democrats ran.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Well, if you only advanced two, you would end up
with as.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Possible mathematically speaking, to be possible for the Democrats to
both get twenty thousand votes a piece and for six
Republicans to each get like eighteen thousand votes a piece
and advance the two Democrats to the general in a
ruby red area. So we'll advance four and then we'll
do the instant runoff thing. And I like your point.
I saw you posted on x that you know you
(06:57):
don't you're doing a runoff, but the government's not spending
money to hold another election. And by the way, as
a citizen, you can watch your football games without being
bombarded by political ads.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
That's very true, all right.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So politically, I mean, you're a Republican office holder, I'm unaffiliated.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
The political party matters to you.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And also you are more conservative than I am. And
one of the arguments for ranked choice voting is that
it might tend to weed out some of the fringiest
candidates and cause the election of candidates who are a
little bit more moderate, who could appeal to centrists, appeal
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to libertarians like me, let's say, And it might tend
to decrease the chance of a more conservative person winning,
although maybe also decrease the chance of a Democrat beating
the more conservative person. But how how do you think
of the impact of this on conservatives and Republicans.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, and it's true, I'm a party guy. I'm a
party I'm a Mike Rosen party Trump's person guy, which
is why I am happy to vote for Trump. Heck,
I even voted for McCain and Romney, and I didn't
like either one of them. So I mean, hopefully that
proves that I am a party guy. I still think
that in the fourth or in Senate District WAE or
House District sixty three where I live. The conservative is
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going to win. A conservative is going to win. It
just may not be one that's embarrassing to you, like
a whole tourf for instance. You know, we'll elect a
Sonenberg for sure, a Sonenberg type or a Pelton type.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
We just we just you know, if if you get
the rank choice and.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Everybody gets to say in it, the loose cannon, crazy
conservative types aren't going to be victorious in choice vote,
I don't think. But we're still going to have conservatives win,
and there's still gonna be progressives win in Denver, So
don't worry too much about that.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
It's just you might weed out the Elizabeth Epps.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Types, you know, the whole tariff types, the kinds that
are you know, somewhat embarrassing down at the capitol.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I do wonder at the at the federal level.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I think I think there are a lot of people
who would put.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Lauren Bobert in that same camp.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I'm I'm kind of on the fence about it myself,
but but you can imagine something like the fourth Congressional
District as being a poster child for where this system
might cause or allow a slightly more moderate Republican to win,
or a less embarrassing, if to use your terminology, Republican
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to win.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, let's take a look at that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Just you know, as an example, there were six Republicans
on the primary ballot, there were three Democrats on their
primary ballot, and there are three minor party camp dates
who have qualified for the November ballot. So if you
put all twelve of them onto the June primary and
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look at the number of votes that they respectively got.
Because the libertarian candidate ran in a special election, she
got eighty eight hundred votes, Bobert ended up with fifty
four thousand votes winning the Republican primary. Second place with
Sonenberg was seventeen eight hundred or something like that. The
two of the three Democrats split their their primary almost evenly,
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pulling twenty thousand votes apiece. So you would have seen
advancing to the November election Bobert, Sonnenberg, Mcarkle the Democrat
and Calvalresi the Democrat, and then you would have had
a first round of voting. I'm going to argue that
Lauren got forty three percent of the Republican primary.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Vote, fifty four thousand.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I think total, I would not be a bit surprised
if she didn't end up picking up more than half
of the alternative Republican votes that went to you know,
hold Torf and Flora and Lynch and the rest of
the group. She probably gets fifty percent plus one on
the first round and we're done.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It definitely could.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
We don't know that for sure, right and you and
I talked about this going into the race. I think
the fact that Lauren got well over forty percent in
that primary, which was more than you and I thought
she would get, but it's it's a very different story
from if she had won with thirty four percent instead
of forty three percent.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Those are very different situations.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And you know, like I said, on these these crowded primaries,
oftentimes someone wins with you know, wins a plurality with well.
Doug Lambourne won a plurality of votes in two thousand
and six twenty eight percent or something like that, beating
Jeff Crank by one thousand votes, and he became a
congressman for twenty years after that. Tom Tankrado won his
first primary in nineteen ninety eight with twenty eight percent
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of vote in a six way primary was a congressman
for the next ten years, So you know the power
then cumbancy is.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So great that advancing.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
The you know, a candidate out of the primary where
seventy plus percent of the party didn't vote for that person,
to me, isn't putting your best foot forward. I think
we can do better, and this this electoral system, well
it's not perfect. There's way better than what we have.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Now we're talking with former state Senator Greg Brophy about
why he supports Proposition one thirty one. Now, you you
still spend a lot of time in your day job
thinking about the nuts and bolts of politics and the
parties and all this stuff that frankly, I don't love
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talking about. I know I do love talking about I
don't love thinking about it very much. And so I'm
going to just say something here that's not really a
deep thought, but I just wanted to get your reaction
to it. I I feel like our election results for
at least the last ten years and maybe the last
twenty years in Colorado overall, have been so bad.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
It doesn't mean every election was bad, but in the aggregate, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Been so bad that I feel like I'm willing to
try almost anything to see if maybe we can get
better politics in this state. And I want to ask
you whether whether you think that that's even a legitimate
way to think about this, or whether you think that's
you know, lazy or something.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
You know, well, yeah, I think it's a it's a
fair observation.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Ross.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I mean, the Republicans, with the help of my friend Ed,
nominated Dan Mays to be, you know, our good nitorial
candidate in twenty ten, sinking our chances to win the
governor's office and retire John Hickenlooper where he should be,
and instead he's now a US centator. You know, obviously
there's some some some things going on in the Republican
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side here in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
But it's not just Colorado. I mean, think about Judge
Roy Moore.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
You know that perv got the Republican nomination in Alabama.
So it's there's there's clearly some things going on. When
a tiny minority of a minority of voters has so
much sway as to choose people that are otherwise patently
unqualified to be leaders, that's not the way we should
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do it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
It should be a rigorous process. You should have.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
To earn the support of fifty percent plus one of
the people that you want to represent. I think a
conservative will do that ninety nine out of one hundred
times in Eastern Colorado. And I think that this system
that we're going to get to vote on here is
an improvement, a marked improvement over the system that we
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have now.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Former State Senator Greg Brophy, also former candidate for governor
in favor of Proposition.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
One thirty one.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
As I said when we started, I'm I was a
little bit surprised to learn that, and now that I
hear your reasoning, I'm not surprised at all anymore. Greg,
thank you so much for taking time out of your day.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
To join us here on k Away. Appreciate it. You
that Russ all right,
Koa.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We're ninety nine years old right now, we're going to
be one hundred in less than two months.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
I'm very excited, very excited about that. I am so.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Pleased to be joined by my good friend Greg Brophy,
former state senator, was in leadership on the Republican side
when he was in the state Senate, former candidate for
governor as well. And Greg, I'm going to start with
the question that I am asking listeners today because it
is Scar Appreciation Day? Do you have any interesting scars
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that have an interesting story associated with them?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Have a pretty good sized scar underneath my left arm
on what would be my lat that I got from
a barbed wire fence, but I usually tell people it was.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
A knife fight.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
And then I had my appendix taken out when I
was like six, so I got that one.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Mm hmm, all right, And how did you get caught
on Barbara Ware?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And I had a big old scar on my right
hip where I got hit by a car and broke
both my legs.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Had surgery for that.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Wait, you can't just leave you can't leave that out.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You just thought of that last sorry, you just thought
of that one. Wait, yeah, you were hit by a
car broke both hips and had surgery.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Is that what you said?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Broke one hip one?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I broke one hip and one fibula, and I had
surgery to repair the hip.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
And it still hurts.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And you thought of your tiny appendix scar from when
you were six years old before you thought of that.
All right, all right, all right, I sprung it on me. Yeah, yeah,
I know, I know I didn't. I didn't prepare Greg
for that question, but still, okay. So I'm doing kind
of an ongoing thing here on the show regarding proposition
(01:47):
one thirty one, which I definitely have an opinion about.
And I wrote in my voter guide that I am
in favor of proposition one thirty one, and I explained
why I'm in favor of proposition one thirty one, and
I hear, I hear arguments against it, and I listened
to them, but I'm not convinced by them. I was
actually kind of surprised to learn that my friend Greg
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Brophy is in favor of proposition one thirty one. If
I had had to guess, I would have guessed incorrectly
that you would.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Have opposed it.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And so I really wanted to talk to you on
the show to understand why you are where you are.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, well, you got.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
To remember, I look at pretty much everything through the
lens of you know, how is this going to treat
rural Colorado? I mean, you know, we are now, unfortunately
the residence of a deep blue state, but I'm from
a very ruby red area of the state. And you know,
(02:53):
given the situation that we have in the state now,
where our parties are so dysfunctional, and we decided to
allow the unaffiliated people to vote in primaries years and
years ago, almost half the state are unaffiliated. So you know,
if you live out here in eastern Colorado and you
want to have a say in who's going to be
elected state representative or state senator, you necessarily have to
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fill out the Republican primary ballot, because more likely than not,
if you win the Republican primary, you're going to win the.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
State House or the state Senensee.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Conversely, if you want to have a say in who's
going to be the governor of Colorado under the current system,
you have to fill out the Democratic primary because more
likely than not, the person that wins the Democratic primary
is going to be the governor. So it really leaves
you without you know, kind of a Hobson's choice here,
you got to decide which way.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
You want to go.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, having the all candidate primary solves that problem, so
now we can have a say in every important race
on the ballot. And then ultimately I'm not as big
of a fan of the instant run off thing.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I kind of wanted to just advance two out of
the primary, out of the Alcanic primary.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
But there are good arguments for advancing more than two.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And if force the number, then fine, force the number.
We'll have.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
We'll have a we'll have a better contest than in
those weird times where some member of Congress retires and
you're going to elect a new member of Congress who's
probably going to serve for twenty years or thirty years.
I mean, Diama, the guest's been in office for twenty
eight years. Doug Lambordon was a congressman for twenty years.
So you only get a chance to, you know, get
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a bite at that apple like twice in your lifetime.
And I don't want to see someone win that race,
like by winning the crowded primary with a twenty eight
percent plurality and then going on to serve in Congress
for two decades or three decades. So the Alcanic primary
rank choice voting solves that problem also.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Right, and just on the on the two versus four thing.
The reason that I prefer four candidates in the general
it is that you can easily imagine that in a
state like Colorado that is very predominantly blue for statewide races,
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not for you know, the race in where where you're from,
for state house or state senate, but for for senator,
for governor, for attorney general, for a lot of the
and and even even for some congressional districts, that if
you only took two out of the primary, they would.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Both be Democrats. Uh, And that that would happen a.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Lot, And it happens a lot in California right now.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It actually didn't happen in their Senate race.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But that's because Democrats put up three fairly credible candidates
and only one credible Republican, very credible Republican really, and
he came in second. But the reason California only has
two going into the general election is because the Democrats
there wanted to rig it so that there would be
no Republicans in elections.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, that's and that's a that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And I'll so in that California race, I think Shifty
spent a lot of money to elevate the Republicans, so
you would have to face a Democrat in the general election,
and you.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Could see it.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You could see in a super ruby red area like
the fourth you could see a scenario where there's an
open congressional seat first time in a while, and there's
let's say there's six Republicans running, and they split the
Republicans side of the six ways.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Fairly evenly, not like this last time.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
But so let's say they split it fairly evenly and
only two Democrats ran.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Well, if you only advanced two, you would end up
with as.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Possible mathematically speaking, to be possible for the Democrats to
both get twenty thousand votes a piece and for six
Republicans to each get like eighteen thousand votes a piece
and advance the two Democrats to the general in a
ruby red area. So we'll advance four and then we'll
do the instant runoff thing. And I like your point.
I saw you posted on x that you know you
(06:57):
don't you're doing a runoff, but the government's not spending
money to hold another election. And by the way, as
a citizen, you can watch your football games without being
bombarded by political ads.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
That's very true, all right.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So politically, I mean, you're a Republican office holder, I'm unaffiliated.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
The political party matters to you.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And also you are more conservative than I am. And
one of the arguments for ranked choice voting is that
it might tend to weed out some of the fringiest
candidates and cause the election of candidates who are a
little bit more moderate, who could appeal to centrists, appeal
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to libertarians like me, let's say, And it might tend
to decrease the chance of a more conservative person winning,
although maybe also decrease the chance of a Democrat beating
the more conservative person. But how how do you think
of the impact of this on conservatives and Republicans.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, and it's true, I'm a party guy. I'm a
party I'm a Mike Rosen party Trump's person guy, which
is why I am happy to vote for Trump. Heck,
I even voted for McCain and Romney, and I didn't
like either one of them. So I mean, hopefully that
proves that I am a party guy. I still think
that in the fourth or in Senate District WAE or
House District sixty three where I live. The conservative is
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going to win. A conservative is going to win. It
just may not be one that's embarrassing to you, like
a whole tourf for instance. You know, we'll elect a
Sonenberg for sure, a Sonenberg type or a Pelton type.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
We just we just you know, if if you get
the rank choice and.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Everybody gets to say in it, the loose cannon, crazy
conservative types aren't going to be victorious in choice vote,
I don't think. But we're still going to have conservatives win,
and there's still gonna be progressives win in Denver, So
don't worry too much about that.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
It's just you might weed out the Elizabeth Epps.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Types, you know, the whole tariff types, the kinds that
are you know, somewhat embarrassing down at the capitol.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I do wonder at the at the federal level.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I think I think there are a lot of people
who would put.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Lauren Bobert in that same camp.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I'm I'm kind of on the fence about it myself,
but but you can imagine something like the fourth Congressional
District as being a poster child for where this system
might cause or allow a slightly more moderate Republican to win,
or a less embarrassing, if to use your terminology, Republican
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to win.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, let's take a look at that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Just you know, as an example, there were six Republicans
on the primary ballot, there were three Democrats on their
primary ballot, and there are three minor party camp dates
who have qualified for the November ballot. So if you
put all twelve of them onto the June primary and
(10:09):
look at the number of votes that they respectively got.
Because the libertarian candidate ran in a special election, she
got eighty eight hundred votes, Bobert ended up with fifty
four thousand votes winning the Republican primary. Second place with
Sonenberg was seventeen eight hundred or something like that. The
two of the three Democrats split their their primary almost evenly,
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pulling twenty thousand votes apiece. So you would have seen
advancing to the November election Bobert, Sonnenberg, Mcarkle the Democrat
and Calvalresi the Democrat, and then you would have had
a first round of voting. I'm going to argue that
Lauren got forty three percent of the Republican primary.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Vote, fifty four thousand.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I think total, I would not be a bit surprised
if she didn't end up picking up more than half
of the alternative Republican votes that went to you know,
hold Torf and Flora and Lynch and the rest of
the group. She probably gets fifty percent plus one on
the first round and we're done.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It definitely could.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
We don't know that for sure, right and you and
I talked about this going into the race. I think
the fact that Lauren got well over forty percent in
that primary, which was more than you and I thought
she would get, but it's it's a very different story
from if she had won with thirty four percent instead
of forty three percent.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Those are very different situations.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And you know, like I said, on these these crowded primaries,
oftentimes someone wins with you know, wins a plurality with well.
Doug Lambourne won a plurality of votes in two thousand
and six twenty eight percent or something like that, beating
Jeff Crank by one thousand votes, and he became a
congressman for twenty years after that. Tom Tankrado won his
first primary in nineteen ninety eight with twenty eight percent
(11:57):
of vote in a six way primary was a congressman
for the next ten years, So you know the power
then cumbancy is.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So great that advancing.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
The you know, a candidate out of the primary where
seventy plus percent of the party didn't vote for that person,
to me, isn't putting your best foot forward. I think
we can do better, and this this electoral system, well
it's not perfect. There's way better than what we have.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Now we're talking with former state Senator Greg Brophy about
why he supports Proposition one thirty one. Now, you you
still spend a lot of time in your day job
thinking about the nuts and bolts of politics and the
parties and all this stuff that frankly, I don't love
(12:40):
talking about. I know I do love talking about I
don't love thinking about it very much. And so I'm
going to just say something here that's not really a
deep thought, but I just wanted to get your reaction
to it. I I feel like our election results for
at least the last ten years and maybe the last
twenty years in Colorado overall, have been so bad.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
It doesn't mean every election was bad, but in the aggregate, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Been so bad that I feel like I'm willing to
try almost anything to see if maybe we can get
better politics in this state. And I want to ask
you whether whether you think that that's even a legitimate
way to think about this, or whether you think that's
you know, lazy or something.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
You know, well, yeah, I think it's a it's a
fair observation.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Ross.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I mean, the Republicans, with the help of my friend Ed,
nominated Dan Mays to be, you know, our good nitorial
candidate in twenty ten, sinking our chances to win the
governor's office and retire John Hickenlooper where he should be,
and instead he's now a US centator. You know, obviously
there's some some some things going on in the Republican
(13:51):
side here in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
But it's not just Colorado. I mean, think about Judge
Roy Moore.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
You know that perv got the Republican nomination in Alabama.
So it's there's there's clearly some things going on. When
a tiny minority of a minority of voters has so
much sway as to choose people that are otherwise patently
unqualified to be leaders, that's not the way we should
(14:18):
do it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
It should be a rigorous process. You should have.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
To earn the support of fifty percent plus one of
the people that you want to represent. I think a
conservative will do that ninety nine out of one hundred
times in Eastern Colorado. And I think that this system
that we're going to get to vote on here is
an improvement, a marked improvement over the system that we
(14:43):
have now.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Former State Senator Greg Brophy, also former candidate for governor
in favor of Proposition.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
One thirty one.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
As I said when we started, I'm I was a
little bit surprised to learn that, and now that I
hear your reasoning, I'm not surprised at all anymore. Greg,
thank you so much for taking time out of your day.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
To join us here on k Away. Appreciate it. You
that Russ all right,
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