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I hope you had a really,really nice Father's Day. I had an

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interesting Father's Day. I'd say thefirst half wasn't that special, but the
afternoon and evening were nice. I'lltell you about the afternoon and second evening.
My wife wasn't feeling too great yesterday, so in the evening I just
took my two kids out for alittle dinner. Was a little casual dinner
at a sort of local brew pubwith burghers and ribs and salads and so

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on, and it was It wasreally nice to be out with with my
kids on Father's Day evening, andI hope you had a wonderful Father's Day
as well. Earlier in the day, I did a thing that isn't really
a thing you'd think about doing onFather's Day, but I thought it was
important to do. And you heardPat Woodard just then talking about the protest

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in front of a Jewish cu regent'shouse. This was in the Greenwood Village
neighborhood. So I went over there, and you also heard Pat mention this
sort of counter rally, and afriend of mine actually the first voice you
heard where in the newscast they justsaid, you know, talked with some
of her neighbors. That first voiceyou heard was my friend Rich Sokel,

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who was one of the organizers ofthe counter rally and who has been a
guest on this show quite a fewtimes talking about politics in Israel and so
on. He used to be headof the Arapaho County Republican Party as well
as Rich Socle, and so Ishowed up at the time, the proposed
time, the scheduled time for thiscounter rally to support the United States and

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Israel and peace in anticipation of whatwe were told to expect to be a
fairly large protest, potentially one hundredplus people, maybe one hundred and fifty
in front of the CU Regent's house. Initially, the protesters didn't show up.

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They were very late. And againI suspect, and I'll get to
this more in a second, Isuspect that the protesters were late because they're
basically a bunch of unwashed gen zers, as far as I could tell by
looking at them, because I wentaround later I'll talk about this more.
I went around to look at himand get up right up close to them
and hopefully try to make them famous. I always like to think, you

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know, we can put these people'spictures out there, and then they'll make
it really hard for them ever toget a job. But I figure these
people are on welfare anyway and toostone to care in any case. So
at the beginning I showed up atthis park and there were hundreds of people
there, and eventually we got around. They got around too. Beginning the

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formal event, the remarks and allstarted with the Rabbi from Temple Sinai saying
a few words, including we allsaying the American national anthem and then the
Israeli national anthem, And it wasfascinating and heartwarming, and I think there's

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really an important message here that Ithink a lot of people don't understand that
there were at least as many Americanflags at this event as Israeli flags.
I'll just leave that alone. Youcan make of it what you will.
But it was a very pro USand Israel event. And actually the rabbi

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and rich Socle who gave some preparedremarks, and some other people did as
well. But the rabbi and richSocle both remarked on how how many shared
values there are between the US andIsrael, things like any citizen can vote
when's the last time there was evenan election in Gaza. I think it

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was two thousand and six in WestBank. As Rich noted, Mackmuda Boss
is on his twenty something year ofhis four year term. In the US
and in Israel, you can participatein any part of society, whether you're
a man or a woman, orgay or straight, or white or black

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or Asian or whatever. There's truefreedom in Israel and in the US.
In Gaza, gosh, if you'regay, they'll throw you off a roof.
There's no black people in Gaza,no Christians in Gaza. You'd be
dead anyway. It was, butit was a very upbeat thing. It

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was. Of course, there's thedownbeat, intense, sad part when you
talk about the hostages still being held. But most of the event was talking
about positive things about our nations andhow much we seek peace. So there
was that, and again that's probablyevery bit of three hundred people, maybe

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more. I'm I'm trying to underestimate. By the way, eight Rod's gonna
post some stuff. But also ifyou go to my blog at Roskiminsky dot
com and click on the Monday blogcast, I've got a few videos that I
shot at this event. I havestill photos that I shot of this event
as well, and the videos areshort. I think the longest one is
two minutes, and the other onesare shorter and much shorter. There was

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a lady there and I actually posteda picture of this without her, without
her her face, and she's holdinga sign and the sign says, my
family didn't flee Iran for this jewhatred here pretty strong. I also have
a picture of a couple of peoplethat I want to just mention to you,

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who were standing on the sidelines ofthe protest. So I walked around
the block. I didn't walk through. There is a direct path from the
park where we were right to thehouse where the protesters were, but the
organizers of the rally asked us toplease go around because they didn't want other

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people at the rally to kind offollow me and follow a few other people
up those stairs and end up bringing, you know, one hundred or two
hundred people up and end up withthe possibility of a confrontation with these morons,
because then these people would claim,like you know, Zionist aggression or
something. So I walked around.The congressional candidate Deborah Flora, whom I

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have actually endorsed for the fourth CongressionalDistrict Republican primary, was there. This
isn't even in the fourth Congressional District, but she wanted to show up to
support Israel and the US and peaceand freedom and capitalism. So it was
nice to see Deborah Flora there.But so I walked around, and it

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was interesting because we were told toexpect perhaps one hundred to one hundred and
fifty protesters. But by my count, and of course I could be off,
but I would I wouldn't have beenoff massively. By my count.
They were eighteen and they really didlook This is gonna sound unkind, but
that's fine because I want to beunkind to these worthless losers, which is

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really not fair to worthless people tomake that comparison. But they basically looked
mostly like they were in their earlytwenties and hadn't taken a bath for a
long time. And I got this, so I got a picture of that
whole thing. I got videos ofthat whole thing. You can see it
up at Rosskominsky dot com. ButI took another picture of these two people

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who were standing just next to it, and one is this very butch,
tattooed woman with brightly colored hair,wearing a T shirt that says professional Anarchists.
She looks exactly like what you wouldexpect a professional anarchist to look like.
And it's fine. I don't carewhat people. I don't care what
they look like. I'm describing her, but I'm not down on anyone for

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how they look, except to theextent that they look like what my wife
would call a no hoper, whatI might call a loser, and people
who are just drains on society,which often you cannot always, but often
you can tell by looking at them. And I think you can tell by
looking at this person because she's wearinga T shirt that says professional anarchist,
and on her shoulders she's wearing someterrorist rag that symbolizes the PLO and Palestinian

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terrorists. And next to her isa guy who was acting real strangely.
He's sort of standing around smoking acigarette, wearing a black hat, a
black baseball cap, and sunglasses anda T shirt that says DSA, which
I guess is I don't know,Democratic Students of America or something. The

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more famous group that was SDS andthey're really the ones who organized all this
Students for a Democratic Society. Andthis guy is wearing a T shirt that
says, and if I can readit correctly, to keep kids off capitalism.
So this guy is overtly a communist. I don't think he's a socialist.
I bet if you were go talkto talk to him, I bet
he would tell you he's a communist. So the point I want to make

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right now, the point I wantto leave you with, and I will
come back to this later, butyou can watch all the videos and see
this stuff in what it was reallylike if you go to Rosskominsky dot com
and click on the Monday blodcast.What I want you to understand is the
people who are protesting against Israel,they claim they're pro Palestinian. They're they
hate Israel. They're perfectly happy withthe idea of dead Jews. But what

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I want you to understand beyond thatis that these people always and everywhere also
hate America and freedom and free markets, and they hate you. Do not
be sympathetic with people who claim theyare supporting the Palestinians. They're not.

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They hate you. If you didsomething yesterday that was particularly interesting, and
just a really really cool Father's Daything. Text it to me at five
six six nine zero, and ifthere are particularly good stories I will I
will mention them on the air.Don't forget folks. If you have not
voted yet, if you go toRosskiminski dot com. Up near the top

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of the page, you will seea link for my voter guide. The
election is a week from tomorrow,the primary election here in Colorado, and
also the special election to fill thefourth congressional district. See but if you
want my opinions suggestions about some races. I did not try to cover every

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race in Colorado. There are way, way, way too many, but
I covered what I think are theimportant ones. So my opinions are up
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care about my opinion on any ofthis, or just a little bit of
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there, click on voter Guide andyou can read that and share it with
other people and whatever you want todo there. So I want to take
just a couple of minutes and talkabout Israel for a minute. There's been
a lot of news over the pastcouple of days, and I'm going to
try to do three stories in threeminutes. So one's political, one's kind

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of military, and the other ismilitary but odd So first the political one
I mentioned to you. I guessit was about a week ago that beny
Gans who used to run the Israelimilitary and is the leader of an opposition
party. Ben Agan's trying to becomePrime minister of Israel, and he may
well be the next Prime minister ofIsrael. He left what was, you

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know, the Unity Government, theWar Cabinet that Benjamin NETANYAHUO had assembled as
kind of a team of rivals tomanage the war, to try to hold
the country together politically while the waris being managed. Benny Gantz left that
because he said he was just sofrustrated and disappointed with how Netanya who is

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running the war. By the way, I have no opinion as to how
Netanya who is running the war.I have not paid that level of detailed
attention to whether I think Netanyaho himselfis making the right decisions or not at
this point, so I'm not offeringan opinion on that. But Benny Gantz
left the war Cabinet, and welearned just this morning that Benjamin Netanyah who
has dissolved the war cabinet, sothe war cabinet does not exist anymore.

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It's probably a good move on hispart because there were some far right parties
in Israel that were demanding to beadded to the war cabinet, and I
think that would have made Benjamin Benjaminnetanya Who's ability to interact with the United
States and with Europe and so onin the prosecution of this war even more

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difficult than it is already. Soas of right now there's no war Cabinet,
Benjamin nettan Yaho probably is taking morecontrol over the operation of the war.
It's also interesting to note this wasannounced yesterday. The Israeli military announced
in eleven hour a day pause ina small area near where aid can come

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into Gaza. And they announced inan eleven hour a day pause in fighting
in this area to attempt to allowmore aid into Gaza, and there was
some interesting political reaction because Netanyahu saidI had no knowledge of this and I
don't support it. And some otherpeople in Israel are saying, whoever in
the military decide to just put aneleven hour a day pause on fighting,

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even though it's only in a smallarea, it's not the whole war.
Some people are saying that guy shouldlose his job whoever did that. In
any case, there's that. Theother thing that you need to know is
that over the last few days therehave been at least eleven eleven that I
know of Israeli soldiers killed. Someof them were in a tank, some

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of them were in an armored vehicle. It's unclear as to whether the explosion
that, for example, blew upthe armored vehicle, whether that was an
ied already mounted in the road,under the road at the side of the
road, whether somebody ran up tothe vehicle and attached an explosive to it
or put an explosive right under it. We don't know. But there were

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eleven funerals for IDF commanders and soldiersheld in Israel yesterday. Eleven's a lot.
It's a very small country, right, Israel's a very small country.
So you know, the idea ofeleven soldiers dying there in a short period
of time would be like a fewhundred Americans at least dying over just a

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couple of days. It's a prettybig deal. And then the last thing,
I'm just going to share this withyou briefly because this is such a
wacky story. This is from theWall Street Journal from a few days ago.
The headline is Israel adds a medievalweapon to its arsenal in fight against
Hesblah. Tensions on the Israel Lebanonbull border remain high as Hesbola launched hundreds

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of rockets and drones at northern Israelin the last three days, while the
Israeli military has turned to a medievaldevice to launch fireballs into southern Lebanon to
clear brush where it says militants arehiding. Verified footage shows Israel using a
trebouchet, a type of catapult thatuses a heavy weight to hurl flaming projectiles

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over a large concrete wall. Asone soldier shouts come on another one Israeli
troops who previously saw the device beingused, that its purpose was to burn
vegetation to increase visibility for Israeli troopsand prevent Hesbela militants from using the brush
as cover. And Israeli military spokesmanconfirmed troops used the trebuchet in an isolated

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event and on a specific target,and Israeli reservists said it was initially created
by reservists in a battalion station innorthern Israel a few months ago, stating
that its construction was not an officialdirective. After a video of the device
was widely circulated, many in Israelmocked to the high tech nation for returning
to medieval tactics. I love this. I love this. This has got

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to be one of the cheapest weaponsto operate that exists in the world today
short of a bow and arrow.Right, and they're just you know,
you could see the video in thislink that's posted up on my website.
It's pretty cool. Lob these giantfireballs over the wall, burn down the
brush. And I love the factthat Israelis are always so inventive. I'll

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tell you what. I want togive away some tickets. I don't know
how are we going to do this? Ay, rod Well, do you
want to do it? Buy textor phone? You have a preference to
how I give away some tickets dependson the contest. Contest first, Okay,
So this is this is tickets,a pair of tickets for the Jack
Car event where I am hosting JackCar at a big event for Douglas County

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Public Libraries at a venue that iskind of east side a lone tree,
west side, apart marker. Andthe pair of tickets, it's it's two
tickets and one of them comes witha signed book for Jack Carr's new sure
to be best seller thriller called RedSky Morning, which for me is right

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up there with Jack Carr's absolute best. So it's gonna be it's you know,
for readers, if you love thrillers, if you love Jack Carr,
if you want to stay hi tome, if you want to say hi
to Jack. So that's this isa pair of tickets for this for this
Friday, this Friday at seven pm. So with that information, a rod,
how would you like to give awaya pair of tickets? I mean

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that sounds pre epic. So dowe want to make this kind of tough?
I do? I do? Ido want to do on the phone.
Okay, we're doing on the phone. Okay, but how tough do
you want to make it? That'sit's pretty good. I don't want to
make it too tough. Okay?Do we want to be a hardcore Ross
listener a hardcore Jack reader? Obviouslyboth is preferred. Both both are preferred.

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But how do we what's the questionthat we need to ask to lock
down both categories? It's tough?Okay, yeah, this is probably more
for a Jack car fan. Butif you you would probably you would know
the answer if you were listening toJack Carr's interview on my show from last

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week. Kyo, okay, yep, So two novels ago, Jack Carr
introduced a character who plays a verybig part in the new novel who is
a computer, an artificial intelligence witha female name. What is that computer's

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name? Again, played a fairlybig part two books ago, and a
huge part in this book, andwe talked about it in our interview.
So right now it's nine thirty eight, why don't we say nine to forty
three caller number one. Let's gowith caller four to get it right,
the fourth caller to get it right. Starting at nine three. We're not

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even going to open the phone linesuntil nine forty three. And nine forty
three the fourth caller at three threeseven one three eighty five eighty five to
answer that question correctly, what isthe female name of the artificial intelligence in
Jack Cars? Uh in Jack Carsnovels, especially the latest novels. Yeah,
and then a Rod will need toget your name, your email address,

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and your phone number, and thenwe'll get you sorted out for a
pair of tickets for this Friday atseven pm, and I'll get you all
the other information, all right.Is that so okay? And so a
Rod will open the phone lines ina little bit. And by the way,
the reason we do that, thereason we delay when we're going to

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take the calls or take the texts, is that folks who are listening on
the stream, which is a prettybig number these days. Right, So
you might be listening on a computeror on your iHeartRadio app on your phone,
or you might have told your smartspeaker to play KOA on iHeartRadio,
and you should do all of thosethings to listen to the show. So
part of the reason we delay likethat when we're doing these contests is so

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that the people who are listening thatway have a chance to play because those
feeds are on a modest delay comparedto how soon you hear me say a
particular thing if you're listening over theregular radio. So that's if you're wondering,
why do we delay like that?That's why, Okay, I want
to I want to share with yousomething that I really enjoyed reading over the

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past few days. So many ofyou may know Leland Viddert. He used
to be on Fox News. Nowhe hosts his own show called On Balance
with Leland Viddert on News Nation,which has become my favorite cable news channel,
although I like Fox a lot too, but we will probably watch more
News Nation these days. Leland ison at five pm our time. News

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Nation is the old WGN network,by the way, if you're wondering where
it might be on your cable outlet. So Leland's a very interesting guy,
very smart guy. London School ofEconomics. Yeah, and I really liked
the dude. He was actually here. I think he was at KDVR.
I think he was at Fox thirtyone years ago. I could have the
station wrong, but I think that'swhere he was. And he won an

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award from Westward Magazine for the TVnews anchor with the best hair, and
he still does have great hair.So he wrote a piece about his dad
for Father's Day and I have thislinked on my blog, and I just
thought it was one of the nicestthings I've read in a long time.

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And also I think it's pretty remarkableof a guy like that, a guy
who's in the public like that,to write a story as personal and open.
And I don't know to use aword that I think is way overused
these days, but I'll use ithere anyway, vulnerable, And I think

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you will know you will understand whatI mean when I share this piece with
you. I actually asked Leland ifhe would join the show to talk about
this piece, and he said no, and he said, I think it
would just be too difficult for meto talk about this out loud. He
said, I don't think I couldget through it without breaking down, and

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I just don't want to do that. So I want to share this with
you. And again, this isup on my blog at Rosskominski dot com.
There's a link to this and thetitle of this piece is born Lucky.
They called me lucky because if Ihadn't been born dead, severe cerebral

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palsy would have been enough to makethings rougher than I could have imagined.
The doctor who on gut instinct insistedmy mother have a C section named me.
But I was truly lucky to havebeen born to the parents I was.
Last Father's Day, Dad called meto say he quote never wanted kids,
but he was so happy I washis son. That says a lot,

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considering he quit his job at thirtyeight, sold his companies, and
became a full time dad, ashe would tell me, because he knew
his act of kindness was the onlychance I had. From a young age,
Dad always told me I was different, clearly on the Asperger's Autism spectrum

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as a young man. Dad refusedto allow school psychologists to diagnose me with
anything. Instead, he decided tofix me. Constantly bullied, Dad decided
pushups would whip my seven year oldbody into shape that no schoolyard third grader
would dare mess with. Soon hehad me doing two hundred a day.

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My diagnosis as having an IQ spreadfrom genius on half of the tests to
manly retarded on others, would havegotten me significant special treatment, as that
became in vogue in the late eightiesand nineties. Dad believed a cruel world
would not make such accommodations. Aftergraduating high school and he was right unable

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to read social cues, he wouldtake me to dinners and watch me.
And what Leland means is he Lelandwas unable to read social cues, not
that his dad couldn't unable to readsocial cues. He would take me to
dinners and watch me during it.He would casually tap his watch, my
signal to stop talking. Later wewould discuss what I had missed, why

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a joke wasn't funny, what Isaid was off rhythm. Over time,
he began to teach me the socialcues most learned naturally. His many lessons
came from his time as adored orsalesman, and the techniques learned from how
to win friends and influence people.As I got older, the bullying became

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intents in grade school, so myparents hired tutors to get me through fifth
and sixth grades. Dad believed stronglyin goals, both setting and achieving,
his being the youngest person in historyto start and sell a company for a
million dollars in nineteen seventy one,long before al Gore invented the Internet.

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Dad did it at twenty one againin nineteen seventy one. Right, we
hear a lot about this stuff lately, people selling companies for a million dollars.
But a million dollars in nineteen seventyone. I don't have the numbers
in front of me, but probablysomething on the order of ten to twenty
million dollars now in equivalent. Prettygood. And that's before there was the

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Internet that allowed young people to getrich that way. Again, pretty good.
Anyway, back to the piece.At five, when I saw a
story on the evening news about aten year old who flew a small plane
across the country, the goal becameto beat him. At eight, Dad
said okay to flying lessons, andin eleven I was the youngest to fly

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across the Atlantic. Wow. Alongthe way were some brutal lessons, but
ones that live on, like gettingit right the first time every time,
or in the words of my flightinstructor quote people die end to quote that
later saved my life as a foreigncorrespondent in Libya. Setting goals naturally progressed
from his belief that self esteem isearned, not given, and in a

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similar way he believed in brutal honesty. In seventh grade, I really wanted
to become a tennis player. Atthe time, a girl I liked play
tennis and Dad had been great atthe sport. After watching me in a
tennis lesson, he told me youwill never be able to play tennis.
I'll support you and come watch yourlessons, but you will always be awful.

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That's a far cry from the worldwe live in of participation trophies.
He pushed me hard to find somethingI could be great at. Dad will
tell you he believed fixing me wasonly possible because of my intelligence. I
would counter that it couldn't have happenedwithout his love. Yes, I'm lucky
in so many ways, including havinga dad with not only the love and
dedication, but ability to spend adecade plus focused solely on me. People

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will take from this story many things. It's not a prescription to help others,
but perhaps it will give others hopeor an idea. It's not a
social commentary, but it is mystory. Take from that what you will.
Most importantly, it's proof of whatdedication and love can do. Happy
Father's Day, Dad, and thankyou. That's a I think a lovely

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and unusual piece from Leland Viddert.It's up on my blog at Rosskominski dot
com. If you want to commenton that, or anything else I'm talking
about today, please send me atext at five six six nine zero a
rod. It is after nine fortythree. Does that mean we have a
winner? Dude? John is goingto be joining you. All right,
Well done, John, And ifyou're still listening again, you have won

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a pair of tickets, one ofwhich will come with a signed book.
So John, I will email youwith instructions. But it's all really pretty
straightforward. You just show up atthis place called the DCSD Legacy Campus and
be there at seven and your namewill be on a list and you'll get

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in. But I'll email you,by the way, the answer to the
trivia question. Jack Carr has introducedan artificial intelligence computer character into his novels
first two books, Ago referenced justa little bit in the previous book,
and then a main central character inthe new book, Red Sky Morning.
And that character's name is Alice.All Right, I want to do a

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political thing here. I have actuallyhad this topic to talk about for probably
a week, and I just keepnot getting around to it. But it's
one of those kinds of topics thatstays good for a week. I got
a couple of Axios pieces and apolitical piece, all surrounding the same topic.
Let me start with this Axios piecethe GOP pro life Coalition phrase amid

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backlash to abortion limits. So beforeI dig into some of the text of
the piece, let me just giveyou my own commentary for a minute.
Republicans, broadly and to some degreethe pro life movement, but not fully,
and I'll get to that in asecond, are like the dog that

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caught the car and has no ideawhat to do with it. Now.
Republicans have since the nineteen seventies,since Roe v. Wade past campaigned,
especially for the presidency in the Senate, because the House doesn't matter so much
when you're talking about Supreme Court justices. They have campaigned on getting enough pro

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life and pro constitution justices on theSupreme Court to overturn the wrongly decided Roe
v. Wade. And again,I deeply believe that Roe v. Wade
was wrongly decided and desperately needed tobe overturned. Even though I am not
anti abortion, it was bad law, and I do. We talked about

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this a lot last week. I'mnot going to dwell on it. Now.
You are not going to hear meargue for or against particular Supreme Court
outcomes based on whether I like theoutcome. I will always make the argument
based on my best understanding of theConstitution and the rule of law. So
I will support Supreme Court decisions thathave outcomes I don't like, and I

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will oppose Supreme Court decisions that haveoutcomes that I do like if I think
they are wrongly decided. Roe v. Wade falls into that latter category.
Now, Republicans ran on that forever, and they finally got it. Trump
put three Supreme Court justices on thecourt. Roe v. Wade was overturned

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in a case called Dobbs, andnow this is back to the States,
where it should have been all thetime. Here's the problem. Most of
the country is okay with it beingback at the States, and most of
the country is okay, though peoplewill get frustrated on either side. When
you have a very liberal state likeColorado protecting abortion all the way up until

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the moment of birth, and avery conservative state like let's say Florida these
days, or perhaps Oklahoma or Alabamabanning abortion very very early in pregnancy,
or maybe even in its entirety.But we live in a republic and states
should have the right to do this, And if you don't like what your
state is doing, you can eithertry to vote out those politicians or you

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can move. It's why you don'twant the federal government in this stuff.
It's much much harder to move outof the country than it is to change
states. In any case, nowthat Roe v. Wade has been overturned,
the hardcore pro lifers are not donenow. They want a federal ban,

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and some of them want to goafter IVF And so those are actually
not the people who caught the carbecause they don't think they're done yet.
Those people won't be satisfied until thereis not another abortion in America. But
there are plenty of people, probablymost people on the pro life side,

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who are more or less happy withthe current situation. They probably like to
see more restrictions than there are,but absolutely want exceptions for rape and incest
in the life of the mother andthat sort of thing, and are happy
enough that Roe v. Wade wasoverturned. And now what you've got is

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the hardcore pro lifers pushing the RepublicanParty into places where if the GOP were
to go down that road in anybig way, it's guaranteed to lose votes
everywhere except the reddest districts, andpotentially even in some of the districts.
After all, Kansas, not thatlong ago, had a vote on an

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issue where you essentially one side wasgoing to be going after abortion rights and
the other side was going to beprotecting them, and decide that was going
to protect abortion passed one in Kansas. So now you've got these articles like
this Axios piece GOP pro life Coalitionphrase amid backlash to abortion limits. After

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the beating they took in twenty twentytwo midterm and state races that focused on
abortion, many GOP leaders, joinedby former President Trump, have embraced protecting
IVF and leaving abortion regulation to thestates. Anti abortion groups aren't happy about
it. Quote, there have beena number of Republicans who've gotten soft and
who have basically run for the hills, said Lilah Rose, a founder of
the anti abortion group Live Action.There's a lot of other stuff like that.

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In the interest of time, Iwon't read them, of course,
Democrats are saying the opposite. Trumpcan't flip it and reverse it when it
comes to his record on abortion.Democrats are going to blame Donald Trump for
all this, but Trump has playedit really, really smart. Trump is
saying consistently this stuff needs to staywith the States, and he's right.

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He's right as a matter of principle, and he's also right as a matter
of politics. He is in kindof a no win position as far as
the really loud people. And that'swhy you see a headline like this from
Politico quote. He sounded more likea politician colon. Trump gets hit by
both Dems and his own supporters onabortion. And of course the Dems are
going to hit him on abortion becausehe got Roe v. Wade overturned.

(34:59):
But that was the right thing todo. Some of his own supporters are
going to go after him on abortionbecause they think that the federal government should
be involved and institute a federal banon abortion. That is not going to
happen in the United States of America. It would be it's politically impossible at
least in anytime soon soon, andit would be wildly unpopular and cost the

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Republican Party lots and lots of votes, I will say, and I'll probably
come back to this a little bitlater or else tomorrow. I'm pretty impressed
with one particular change in Donald Trump'sdemeanor in this campaign, and that is
not only for his race, butalso for congressional races and especially Senate races.
Donald Trump seems way more focused onwinning than he did last time.

(35:44):
Ross Kaminski dot com some photos anda few videos of an hour and a
half of my father's day yesterday.I don't mean I put an hour and
a half a video up. Imean I took an hour and a half
out of my day yesterday to goto a pro Israel pro US rally that
was intentionally set up just a couplehundred feet away from a planned protest by

(36:07):
a bunch of unwashed gen z nohopers being paid fifteen bucks an hour by
some so called nonprofit to show upin front of a Jewish cu residence,
see you regent's home, and tryto intimidate her and her family. They
were not at home, but thesepeople showed up and stood and stood on
the street right in front of theirhome. A rod has I posted all

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this stuff on my blog and onTwitter yesterday, and a Rod just posted
again on Koa's feed if you followus at KOA Colorado. I think he
also added a little bit of mycommentary from this morning to go along with
that video. But I'm going tocome back to that and talk about a
little bit more later in the show. But that was that was part of
my Father's day yesterday. Dragon justshowed up and shared with me a little

(36:55):
bit of sound that I think makesfor the best father day ever. Dragon,
you just want to introduce this beforeyou play the sound. Sure,
I don't know how much of theaudience knows, but I am grampy Dragon.
I have a grandson, and soit's my son's first Father's Day and
he was woken up to this,So not too bad. I want to

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hear that again. It's too good. Oh, I love it. Those
are the good days, all right. It gets much more clear than that,
those are the good days. Andfor you, I mean, you
get to hear all that and havesomeone else change the diapers exactly. It's
so much better being a grandparent.How old is he now? Eight months

(37:44):
old? Wow? And they livednearby ish right, You're less than a
mile away. Yeah, that's cool. We don't have any family, Like
my closest family is in Los Angeles, and then my second closest family is
in Charlotte, North Carolina. Soand then after that, you know,

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we got New York City and thenAustralia. So I'm a little bit envious
of people who have family around.I mean, I've got kids, but
they're still they're not adult kids,and I have no idea where they're gonna
end up living. If there areanything like me, they're gonna go far
away. I actually, you know, all right, let's just talk about
this for a few minutes. Asan old kid and young adults right high

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school, college and then immediately aftercollege, but just thinking through what my
life was going to be like,it never ever occurred to me to even
try to find a way to livenear anybody else in my family. It
was never and I don't mean Iwas trying to get away from them.
It was just not a thought thatcame into my head. Right. All

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that mattered was what's my career goingto be, what's my job's gonna be,
what's my goal? Where am Igoing to go? And again,
I love my family, and Iwish that I lived near my family members,
But I don't wish it enough thatI would abandon a goal or have
a worse anything for it. AndI think there's lots and lots and lots

(39:16):
of people who are able to doboth if it's a factor for you,
are able to live near family orwhere you grow up, and also able
to achieve your goals. With myparticular goals, given that what I was
going to do was become a traderin a trading pit, and given that
my only place where I could reallygo do that, because if that in

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that industry at that time and probablystill now to a certain degree, in
trading even though it's not in pits, it really helps to know somebody.
The only way you got into atrading floor really was if you knew somebody.
And so Chicago was the only placeI was going to go, and
I had no family there. Iguess I had an aunt in the suburbs
who I wasn't that close with,even though I really like her, and

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but they weren't there for long anyway, and so it was just never a
thing for me. So my questionfor you was probably also helpful for the
fact that you moved around a lot, being Yeah, maybe brat that you
were exactly you didn't have you know, hey, your grandparents have lived in
this home your entire life. Yourparents have lived in this home for your
entire life. So there are noreal and I don't mean this as a
bad thing. There are no rootsto to anywhere. I got no roots.

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People ask me, it's like that, Oh, what's you should find
this song and play this, playthe song dragon. Uh, it's by
Alice Merton, Alice Merton M ER T O N. And it's called
no Roots. And in fact,Alice Merton was here in the building doing
KBCO Studio C and this the songis about not having roots. And I

(40:50):
actually asked her if she came froma military family, and uh, and
no, she did not come froma military family. But but the song
is kind of how I feel.And when people ask me where are you
from? My answer is always I'mnot from anywhere. I'm just from wherever
I happened to be at the time. I can tell you where I was

(41:14):
born, right. I was bornat NYU Hospital in New York City.
But we left New York City whenI was three, and then we left
the next place when I was six, and we left the next place when
I was nine, and then wewere in southern California for a while,
but in different houses. And thenwe were in Maryland, and then I
was in school in New York,and then I was in Chicago, and
then I moved to Amsterdam, andthen I moved back to Chicago, and

(41:36):
then I moved to Sydney, Australia, and then I got married and moved
to Colorado. And Colorado is theonly place I've ever been for a long
time. I've been in Colorado twentyyears now. I mean, for me,
that's kind of kind of crazy.I think college was the only school
I went to for more than twoyears, and so you're right, it's
pretty easy for me. So myquestion for you listeners is was or is

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being near family an important part ofyour overall life decision making process. For
example, if you got a joboffer that was near family and another job

(42:22):
offer that wasn't, and the onethat wasn't was slightly better, let's say,
but maybe not massively impossibly better,would you take the slightly worse job
just to be near family, orany other way that you want to talk
about this. I would love tohear a story from you at five six
six nine zero, or maybe somethingyou did in order to stay near family.

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I do. I do wish Ilived near family. It doesn't weigh
on me. I don't think aboutit every day, but I think I
think life would be a little bitnicer if I lived near family, and
if my kids live near a grandparentor an aunt or an uncle or a
cousin. But we don't you wantto add anything, dragon, No,

(43:07):
all right, all right, we'regonna take quick break. Still plenty to
do on the show, including justover twenty minutes from now, we're gonna
have a guy named Morgan Lorette onthe show. He served in the Air
Force for a while, then heleft the military, and then he decided
to go back into the fight asa blackwater mercenary. And he did it

(43:28):
only for the money. It's avery interesting mindset and not the mindset you
normally hear from military and former militarypeople like I just did it for the
money. It's going to be avery interesting conversation that's coming up in about
twenty minutes. Keep it here onKOA. And I wasn't planning on getting
on this topic, but let mejust do this first. Let me answer

(43:50):
one quick listener question that's on anunrelated topic, but I'm going to answer
it. Ross. Do you knowif the Olympics are going to allow transgendered
athletes to compete in the women's sports? My answer is, I think that
it's on a sport by sport basis. I think I know for sure that
the answer for swimming is no.The Olympics is not allowing transgender women so

(44:15):
biological men to compete in swimming,and I think it's the same in bike
racing. I think. But mybest guess, and I'll have to go
research it is that this is ona sport by sport basis. I could
be wrong, and if anybody knowsthe right answer for sure, text me
at five six six nine zero.All right, do let me do two
minutes on this kind of fun andinteresting topic. And then in the next

(44:36):
segment of the show, where Ihave a guest who's just gonna blow your
mind. This this guy is sucha lunatic. Well he's not actually a
lunatic now, but he was whenhe was young. And his book is
so insane that I wasn't even sureI wanted to have him on the show,
But I just have to. Sowe're in a head talk with Morgan
Lorett, whose book is called GunsGirls in Greed, I was a blackwater
mercenary in Iraq, and we're totalk with him after this. So I

(45:05):
asked listeners moments ago, have youever made a decision about where to live
because you wanted to be near yourfamily or potentially not near your family?
And I mentioned that it was nevera factor for me, which is not
a negative statement about how I feelabout my family. It's just the way
I grew up and my mindset.It was never a factor. Right,

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it would be a plus for meto live near family, but it's hard
for me to imagine it's a bigenough thing that I would make a decision
that I otherwise wouldn't make. SoI just wanted to share a few listener
texts. I'm fortunate that both mysons live here in the Metro area,
especially since my older son has threeyoung children. We had a fantastic day
yesterday, and as I looked towardretirement in the next year, it's even

(45:50):
more important to me that both mysons are here. They will keep me
in Colorado after my retirement, andI couldn't be happier because of that.
Ross I moved away from my familyafter college, bought a house in Denver,
then ended up moving back to theexact neighborhood that I grew up in
once I had a child. Becausemy mom was diagnosed with cancer and was
also providing the majority of the childcarefor my first kid. We lived very

(46:14):
close, also to my wife's mom, because we all grew up near each
other went to school together. Itwas important to us to be close to
our family. I know it's notalways necessarily important to everybody, but it
was close to us. Ross Imoved to get away from my family and
the South. I was a militarybrat, like you, moved a lot.
My sisters stayed near family. Imade it work without being near them,

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but it wasn't easy, and havingan above average income helped two ross
I live in Parker and all ourfamily ten siblings is in Michigan. Nice
to be away, but see themfor a week in July. Too much
drama to live near them. RossI live on a family farm that's been
in our family for over one hundredyears, and I live in the house

(47:00):
that my grandmother lived in for fiftyyears. And I've been there for thirty
five years. It's a wonderful life. Ross. I was offered a better
paying job with the same company,but chose to stay here in Denver in
order to stay close to kids andgrandkids. I've never regretted that decision as
I've gotten older. Family is waymore important than money. Let's see two

(47:21):
more, Ross. I live withinfifty miles of my three siblings and all
but two of their kids and grandkids. I live in a house that I
built west of Fort Collins, andI can see the land just two miles
away that my great grandparents' homestead sitson. I can see the house I
grew up in five miles away witha telescope. I never thought about moving

(47:42):
away until recently, to get awayfrom the crazy politics of this state.
I do think a lot of peopleare having that thought. Ross. I'm
a fourth generation Denver native. Mydad's eighty three and lives in the house
I grew up in. My daughtersat twenty six and or twenty six and
twenty three and live in town.We hate how left Colorado is, but
stay due to our family. Thanksfor sharing these stories with me. I

(48:04):
want to just give you a littleheads up before we head into the interview.
In the next segment, Morgan Lorette. His book is called Guns Girls
in Greed. This book is basicallylike Full Metal Jacket meets Animal House,
and I'm going to tell you it'sa fun read. But if you are
a sensitive reader, this book maynot be for you because there is so

(48:30):
much swearing. There's probably the Fword on almost every page. There's lots
and lots of references to sexual activity, including sexual activity that someone might be
involved with when there's nobody else inthe room. And it's extremely r rated
and not for everybody, But itis going to be a remarkable conversation with

(48:54):
a guy who's got a big brainand now and went to graduate school and
got some fancy degree and has somefancy job, but as a young man
went to war for the money.You do have a lot of military folks
on the show, whether as authorsor whatever else. A lot of time
they come on as authors. Butthis book and this guest a really different

(49:16):
take. Morgan Lorette's new book iscalled Guns, Girls and Greed, and
I have described it as full MetalJacket meats Animal House. And I will
just say, if you're a sensitiveperson you can't handle some bad language or
you can't handle some sexual content,then this probably isn't the book for you.
But if you want to get asense of what it's really like in

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that environment, especially for contractors,and we're going to get into this conversation
about the difference between contractors and activeduty military, and you just want to
peek behind that curtain, then you'renot going to find a lot of books
like this that have this stuff init. So Guns, Girls and Greed
by Morgan Lorette l E r et t E. Yes, it is

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is a real name, Morgan.Welcome to KOA. It's good to see
you. Hey, thanks for havingme on. I had to put my
name on it because nobody would believeit if I, you know, used
like a fake pen name. Yeah, but Morgan Larette is a pretty badass
name. It sounds like a fakepen name. Well, I don't know.

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Growing up with the name Morgan andeverybody thinks you're a girl. Uh
yeah, maybe that's what toughened meup so I could actually work for Blackwater.
I made my middle name's Chancy,like there's it's just a white trash.
It's amazing. This is the thingwhen when Morgan Lorette is speaking,
I I never know for sure whetherwhat's coming out of his mouth is the
truth or not. You don't wantto laugh at that kind of a name.

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Yeah, you don't want to laughat it because just in case he
comes over and it beats you upfor him for laughing at him. So
I don't I don't know, no, No, that is one hundred percent
true. I my middle name isChancy. For some reason, it's either
regal or white trash, and it'sdefinitely the white trash side of it.
I promise. Where are you from? Originally I know from the book,

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but in metropolis of Cottonwood, Arizona, where you can take a name like
Morgan Chancey Lorette and really thrive inthe construction business. So you know,
I was like the poster child forthe three nine to eleven military recruiting,
right, poor kid eating government cheeseas a kid, not knowing what I'm

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going to do, definitely didn't evenknow what college was. Then they were
like, oh, they were likelicking their lips coming to my house.
It's definitely going to join And theywere right, well, you know,
it's interesting actually coming from that background. I wouldn't necessarily have guessed Air Force,
but that's where you went, right. Yeah. Well, my grandfather

(51:47):
was in World War Two and hesaid, Morgan, if you're going to
join the military, join the AirForce because they have the best food.
And that's literally the only reason Ijoined the Air Force. Like I wish
I had this grand plan, butI was like, good food. Yeah,
I guess I'll go there. Ibelieve you on that one. I
actually believe you the first time yousaid it. There's so many things I

(52:10):
want to get into in this book, including the Okay, let's get to
the overall story, and then weget to a couple things in the book.
How long did how long were youin the military, and then what
was the path that led you togo back in as well? I'll use
your word mercenary working for black Waterin Iraq. Yeah, so I joined

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the military in nineteen ninety nine.I joined the Air National Guard because I
didn't want to go on active duty, and after September eleventh happened, we
got activated for two years. Thewars kicked off. I was in Iraq
in two thousand and three during theground offensive. But what happened was I
met these like former four Street commarines, and your listeners have never looked
up precommon Marines. Probably the baddestof the bad people that you've never heard

(52:58):
of. They were like, I'mgonna go work for Blackwater. Now,
look this is O four. TheBlackwater guy's got hanged off the bridge at
March O four. And my buddy'slike, I'll put you put in a
good word for you. And Iwas like, no, thank you.
I don't want to go over thereand die. That doesn't make any sense.
But he did. He wouldn't putin a good word for me.
The recruiter called me out of theblue and said, hey, Morgan,
do you want to go work forBlackwater? And I said no? And

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he said how about for five hundredand fifty dollars a day? And I
said yes, where do I signif? That's like when I say I
don't have a plan, like thisis just how my life goes it just
like fell into my lap. Wow, what if that hadn't happened to you,
if you hadn't gone into Blackwater?What do you think you would be
doing today? And we will getto what you are doing now because you

(53:42):
tell this crazy kind of white trashstory. And now you end up at
this point in your life with afancy degree from a fancy school, doing
some serious work. But where doyou think you would have been had you
not gone into Blackwater? I mean, I have no idea because black you
know, kind of I grew upin Blackwater. Blackwater made me ultra competitive.

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It made me want to go tocollege and like get a four point
oh GPA. Going to college,I probably would be either working construction.
I'd be the guy that's sitting therelike pounding down cores like tall boys at
the end of every Friday. OrI was studying sociology, so maybe I
could have been like one of thosesocial workers that you know, ruined other

(54:25):
people's lives. Yeah, or abarista perhaps, although I don't think you
have all right, And I justwant to spend a little bit of time
on this next part just so peopleget the full picture of you, and
then I'm gonna go back to thebook. But after all that, you
went to Tufts, right, andyou got tell us a little bit about

(54:46):
what kind of education you got afterwards, because it's a hell of a transformation.
Yeah. So well, I endedup joining the army on active duty
after I got them with Blackwater becauseit was the housing bust. I didn't
have any like career prospects going throughcollege, and I was like, what
do you do? Will you fallback on what you know? So I

(55:07):
became an Army intelligence captain. Andonce you get into that like strata of
officers, they have a wealth ofknowledge and they're like, why are you
going to go back to Northern ArizonaUniversity and get a master's of social Work?
You should be going to Harvard orToughs, or you should be going
to U Chicago, those fancy schools, and I didn't even know existed,

(55:27):
so they really just kind of ledme to be able to see that,
hey, I could get into oneof those snooty schools, and I did.
I went to Toughts. I startedstudying international security studies, thinking I
wanted to work for the CIA.Had some contacts at the CIA, and
then I went to d C fori'll call it a field trip, but
me and my wife went down thereand I was like, oh my god,
I can't live here. I wanta dump. So I ended up

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studying international banking and finance and kindof going the corporate route. Afterwards.
But Matt being with the people atToughts like, I asked, do you
think you're liberal or conservative? Andthey say, I'm running down the middle,
and I was like, oh,you don't even know where the middle
is, right, Like, holycow, no doubt, no doubt about
that. We're talking with Morgan Lorette. His really incredibly entertaining book is called

(56:12):
Guns, Girls and Greed. Iwas a blackwater mercenary in Iraq, and
again I absolutely recommend you read thisbook. But not if you're a highly
sensitive reader who can't handle swearing andsexual content in a book. But if
you're good with all that, yougot to read this book. Tell us
about mister Mitten's Oh my god,mister mant so dude. When I got

(56:36):
to Iraq, I felt so badfor the animals and not the people,
Like I feel like those guys thatthey cry during a movie when like an
animal dies, but then when somebodyget shot, they're like, oh,
that's cool, Like that's how itwas, but it was real life.
So I adopted this little cat thatwas living underneath my room, and I
was giving him like the premium tunathat I could get from the post exchange

(56:58):
and this cat was like it justI would love on this thing, and
it was like the only I don'tknow. It just felt like like I
was doing something good for the firsttime in a long time. And then
this cat ghosts me, just absolutelytakes off and I named him mister Mittens.
I got him a flea caller,like I thought we were buds.
And I saw him like two weekslater and he is spitting at me and

(57:19):
he's like trying to bite me,and I was like, bro, like
what happened? Man? Like Ifanned you up. Well, mister Mitten's
was a chick and ended up havinga bunch of kittens. Mister Mittens had
his kittens. That could be likea transit, that could be a trans
book. But yeah, mister Mittenswas like like, broke my arm over
in Iraq. So I kept givinghim her food and tuna fish as much

(57:43):
as I could, but like thatlittle like I don't know the connection to
something so innocent in Iraq, andit's with the dogs, it's with the
cats. Like I just felt likethere was a lot of us that really
wanted to find the good over there. You talked a lot in this book
about and very openly, and youjust said it a moment ago, like

(58:04):
I cared a lot about the animals, right, And you talk I think
another place in the book about adog that you really like you got pissed
off at people when they were mistreatingdogs, but you said over and over
like I really didn't care about thepeople. Can you talk about that a
little bit? Well, it's anatural cycle. When I went back at

(58:25):
the army, the same thing happened, and I tried to warn my soldiers.
The first three months are over there. You want to help. You
absolutely want to go over there.You want to do the right thing.
You want to build Iraq. Threeto six months you kind of start seeing
that the people of Iraq don't careas much as you do. They just
didn't And you could blame that ona million different things, but that's kind

(58:45):
of the point. You start gettingjaded. Somewhere around the six month mark,
you just realize, like, getme the hell out of here now.
As a mercenary, I could leavewhenever I wanted. So I didn't
want out of there because I wantedthe money. But I got to a
point where I just I cared aboutthe country more than they did, and
if they didn't care about the country, neither to die. And I didn't
care about the people. I justcared about the animals. I cared about

(59:07):
going home, putting my head onmy pillow, and essentially surviving each day.
And this is natural, Like thisis the progression of PTSD that you
hear soldiers coming back from Iraq,from Afghanistan, all those places. It's
a very natural progression when you're atthat level of anxiety and alert and you

(59:27):
just start getting pissed. You know. One of the things that you said
here, and you and I weretalking about in our email conversations and so
on, is that you went backto war just for the money. You
didn't care about the mission did aftera while, didn't care about the people.
It was just for the money.And I'm not looking down at that

(59:50):
or criticizing that. It's just comingfrom a military family and having a lot
of military guests, like our mutualfriend Scott Huston on the show, it
just wasn't a mindset i'd really beensupposed to before. But it makes perfect
sense. But you've been in theAir Force and the Army, and you've
been a mercenary, are you kindof are you the same way in all

(01:00:12):
those places, or is there somethingreally different about being a mercenary as far
as it's just for the money.Oh, it's just for the money,
and it is. It is soinherently different. And a lot of the
Blackwater guys got mad that I putmercenary on the book. But we could
have all raised our right hand andwent back over as E five's these six's,

(01:00:32):
we didn't. We went there forthe money. And if anybody is
telling themselves anything different to help themsleep at night, great, but look,
we were there for the cash.As a mercenary, you don't have
the same rules of engagement, youdon't have the same care, you don't
have the same accountability, you don'thave the uniform code of military justice hanging
over your head. Your job isto do your mission and get your head

(01:00:53):
on your pillow at night, andto do that you can accomplish that however
you want. And well, howwe accomplished it was violently, and it
did zero to help rebuild Iraq.You know, we would take a diplomat,
let's say, to the Ministry ofOil and they would teach them how
to set up Excel spreadsheets and schedulesand stuff, but we would ram seven

(01:01:15):
eight cars on the way there.We weren't exactly collecting hearts, but we
were finding hearts and minds. Wewere we weren't helping hearts and minds,
I'll tell you that. And youtell a lot of these stories about like
ramming vehicles as you're driving places,and in part of those stories it sounds
like you do it just for funmore than like for security. There's probably

(01:01:36):
a little of both. But didyou get to a point where it's just
like a almost like a video game, except you know, you don't come
back with another life if you lose. Yeah, it was like Grand Theft
Auto in real life. The bestcars to hit, and I'm not encouraging
anybody to do this in the UnitedStates, is the hashbacks because when you
hit a hatchback, the back windowflexes and it pops and all the glass

(01:02:00):
it's instant gratification. It was likethe coolest thing ever, unless you were
the gunner at the top and allthe glass was spraying in your face.
But there's probably there's probably times wedidn't have to hit cars, and we
did. But at the same time, when every car is a potential vehicle
born ied write a car bomb,Like what do you do? Like,

(01:02:21):
how do you make that split seconddecision? And if you make it wrong,
you're not coming home. So erron the side of caution, I
don't have the page in front ofme. There's actually quite a few pages.
But you mentioned a guy repeatedly overthe course of the book who ended
up maybe getting sued or going toprison or something. You know what I'm
talking about. Oh my dude,Matt Marshall, who he worked at Blackwater

(01:02:46):
with me, and then he wentand hooked up with a billionaire named Mike
Gogan, and he started telling Mike, Okay, man, I'm gonna go
overseas and I'm gonna help kidnap victims, but i need money under the table
because we can't get through to throughmoney through Congress. So Mike Gogan,
this billionaire, to his credit,was like, well, here's some cash.
He went and gave him this cash. And Matt had so many great

(01:03:10):
lies, like he was in theCIA, he had brain cancer, but
the only thing he could do washalf sex so that his wife would be
around him. Like I'm telling youthis guy, this guy's lives were so
amazing, but ended up he tookall that money, went down to Florida,
blew it on watches and vacations andhaving a new baby mama. And

(01:03:30):
now he's doing seven and a halfyears in the pen for defrauding a billionaire.
And Blackwater is like, it's likean std It's the gift that keeps
on giving that you don't really want. We're talking with Morgan Lorett, his
book, His Guns, Girls andGreed. I got just a couple of
minutes left here as we see thesevarious things going on around the world right

(01:03:52):
now, and actually let's just focuson Ukraine for a minute. Obviously American
politicians of both parties don't want tohave anything to do with quote unquote boots
on the ground. What if anything, do you think is going on with
American contractors in that conflict? Andmaybe you can tell me what you know

(01:04:15):
versus what you guess. Yep.Yeah, So anywhere where there's a war,
we have private military contractors. AndI am a hypocrite. I don't
think we should have private military contractorsover in the Ukraine, Syria, Iraq,
Gaza, the US Mexico border,you name it. We have PMCs
there to avoid putting boots on theground. What happens is is the same

(01:04:39):
thing that you read about my book. You don't have the same rules of
engagement, you don't have the sameoversight, and you don't know what's actually
going to happen. And it's slowlygoing to drag us into these wars in
the name of not putting boots onthe ground. And you saw this happen
in Fallujah two thousand and four.Right the Blackwater guys got hanged. We
ended up sending the Marines into Fallushtwice, Marines died. We changed our

(01:05:01):
forward in our war policy based onit. The same thing is going to
happen over in the Ukraine, especiallyover in Gaza, where everybody's going to
be seen as an occupier. SoI think we just need to take a
step back and say, how arepmc is being used. Is it the
right way to use them? Andif not, and I tell you it's
not, we need to get themthe heck out of there. If we

(01:05:23):
don't have the hood spot to putboots on the ground, we shouldn't just
be putting civilians out there. I'llplay Devil's advocate for a second. So
let's say we need to get theUkrainian military trained up on some weapons system
that we're selling to them. Andit's I think a pretty legit thing in

(01:05:45):
terms of international politics to say,we don't have American boots on the ground,
so they send a PMC over.What's wrong with that? Nothing's wrong
with that in theory, but that'snot how it's actually going. What's going
is that they're sending people over astrainers and advisors that are teaching them small
unit tactics, and it's slowly creepingfrom training them on the back end to

(01:06:11):
training them towards the front lines,and there's going to be PMCs that end
up getting killed. Now, it'snot going to make the new cycle for
more than two to three days likea soldier would right a soldier dies,
it's going to be two weeks worthof the news cycle. And if it
was as easy as saying, hey, here's how you use this, that
would be great. But it's slowlycreeping closer and closer to those front lines,

(01:06:33):
and that's where you get into theproblem. You know of Vietnam,
where we were sending advisors and wejust kept throwing people and money at these
things, and it's going to dragus into the war itself. A listener
wants to know what are the legalitiesor guardrails around mercenaries, such as you
were in Iraq killing people pretty muchnone. So when I was went over,

(01:07:01):
we went over and had our blackdiplomatic passport, so we were told
we had diplomatic community. So ifwe did kill somebody something bad happened,
they were going to get us outof the country, and that happened quite
a bit. The problem is withRaven twenty three, the Mister Square massacre,
is the FBI went after those guysall the time, like they just

(01:07:21):
kept going after those guys even whenthey were found innocent. So the legality
is whatever is politically advantageous for whoeverit is that's in office can go after
private military contractors. But PMCs don'tknow what they can and they cannot do
because there's no defined rules of engagement. There's no loss, there's no use

(01:07:42):
in j WOW. But generally youfelt since there are no rules of engagement,
especially the famous, the famously badBarack Obama rules of engagement where even
if you knew that that guy wasaiming an AK at you, or you
know he's holding the ak and he'sabout to aim it at you. You
couldn't shoot at him until the militarycouldn't shoot at him until he shot at

(01:08:05):
them first. You guys had nosuch rules like I think he's a bad
guy, I'm shooting him right,Yeah, yeah, exactly. And the
thing you have to understand, though, is we're all still humans, right,
Nobody wants to take a life.You still have to get your your
head on your pillow at the endof the night. And yeah, you

(01:08:26):
can ram a car, but that'sa heck of a lot different than taking
a life. And I can tellyou when you flip your selector switch from
safe to fire, like it doessomething to you emotionally. So it's not
like we were out there actively lookingfor people to target and wanting to kill,
because look, we're still humans andwe were all almost all private prior

(01:08:46):
military. Yeah, like, weweren't just going to go out there and
run roughshod. I mean we did, but we weren't out there going to
kill people just to be like,oh I got another body count like that.
That's just as in who we aremore you Lorette's book intensely entertaining and
informative, but very, very veryare rated, so if you're a very
sensitive reader, this may not befor you. But the book is girls,

(01:09:09):
Guns and Greed. I was ablackwater mercenary in Iraq. Morgan,
thanks for your time, Thanks foryour service to our country, even if
you did it for the money.Yeah, you know, I went back
for no money. So yeah,I feel exactly. That's why I said
thank you, and that's why Isaid thank you. You did you did
you too? Thank you Morgan,appreciate it. All right, We're gonna

(01:09:30):
take a quick break and we'll beright back on KOA dope, you had
a wonderful Father's day. The reasonI sound slightly distracted is that we have
a couple of ladies come over andclean our house every two weeks, and
she, the lady, kind ofruns this crew. Just sent me a
text message and I guess they cleanedthe stove. And you know how,

(01:09:54):
you got the little electronic ignition thingon the stove, so you turn the
gas on and goes click click clickand makes a little spark and then the
flame and then the flame turns onand I guess, I guess what's happening
is it's doing the click click clickthing, And I assume she's smart enough
to have made sure all the knobswere off, but she said it's doing
the click click click thing and doesn'tknow how to turn that off, how

(01:10:15):
to make it stop clicking. SoI don't know. I'll go home and
check later, and oh, Iguess they just they just unplugged it underneath.
But if you're a stove repair guyand you know how one of those
stoves could just start clicking even ifthe knobs are off, then let me
know. It's possible that they likegot that surface too wet or something when
they were cleaning. This is oneof the beauties of having a show like

(01:10:36):
this because I've got listeners who doand know about everything under the sun.
So if I ever need a pieceof advice on fixing something, I guarantee
you that not just a listener knowshow to fix it. Ten listeners know
how to fix it. So ifyou have a response on that one five
six, six nine zero, yes, dragon's fantastic, because we're wasting far

(01:10:57):
more than five people, maybe evenmore than ten people's time talking about it
right now because they don't care.They don't care. We're wasting the time
of literally thousands of people right now, and that gives us such great satisfaction.
All right, don't forget folks.My voter guide is out. Go
to Roskiminski dot com. Up nearthe top, slightly towards the right,
you will see a link for thetwenty twenty four primary election voter guide.

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I do not attempt to cover everyprimary election in the state. There are
far, far, far too many. But I covered the ones that I
thought were important, and then otherpeople told me they thought were important,
and so on. So take alook at that if you want any of
my thoughts and analysis on some ofthese primary elections. Let me spend just
a few minutes talking about what Idid for part of my father's day.

(01:11:41):
It wasn't really Father's Day related stuff, but for part of my father's day,
and that was I went to thispro Israel pro us rally. You
might almost call it a counter protest, but I don't like the word protest
because it's a negative, angry kindof word. This was a place where
there were hundreds of people, probablymostly Jewish, but not all who were

(01:12:03):
there waving American flags waving Israeli flags, were sang both countries national anthems.
Some people gave prepared remarks about supportingIsrael and about the common shared values between
the United States and Israel and thatsort of thing. But the reason that
event happened was that about two hundredfeet away there was supposed to be and

(01:12:28):
that eventually there actually was. Butit started late a protest organized by probably
one of the biggest groups of losersin the United States of America. And
they're called Students for a Democratic Society, and they've been around a long time
because there are not that many peoplewho have this maximum intersection of stupid ideas

(01:12:55):
and confidence in their own ideas.Right, that's like the peak is when
you're in college or in grad school. That's the peak when you're like,
you've had your head filled with wrongstuff by leftist college professors who've never had
a real job, and you areso confident in yourself that you're sure that

(01:13:20):
everybody who disagrees with you, andespecially people who are older than you because
they have more experience. No,that's not why. I don't know why
UH must be wrong. I wonderhow many of these worthless twenty three year
olds who show up at these protestslooking like they haven't had a bath in

(01:13:42):
a week and a half and wearingnose rings and whatever else, like I
wouldn't hire you, and by theway, I would hire someone with a
nose ring. I'm talking about theoverall picture of these people. They just
looked worthless and slovenly, and frankly, they actually looked a little bit bored.
And I suspect that many or mostof them are actually being paid by
left wing outfits that are front forMuslim Brotherhood money or Katari money, or

(01:14:06):
George Soros money, or other peoplewho hate freedom in the West and Jews
and all that. And they didn'teven look like they really wanted to be
there, but they were there.Now, there were about three hundred people
at the rally that I came to, waving American flags and Israeli flags and
being very upbeat and of course upsetand sad about the still seventy something probably

(01:14:30):
we don't really know the number remaininghostages, but also talking about peace and
good things. And again, sothey showed up late, because that's what
losers do. They showed up lateat this house, and they're protesting in
front of the home of a JewishUniversity of Colorado regent. Apparently trying to

(01:14:53):
pressure her and other SeeU regents intocausing the university to divest from their in
investments in companies that are, Idon't know, Israeli or do business in
Israel. It's unclear exactly what theywant now. That's the regent was not
home. She's got children, shedidn't want to subject them to any of
this, so she wasn't home.These people are protesting on the street just

(01:15:14):
in front of the driveway, andby my count, there were eighteen of
them, so they were outnumbered bythe good guys by about twenty to one.
Now, the good guys mostly stayedaway. Only a handful of the
people at the pro Israel pro USrally were asked, please don't go over
there, and if you do goover there, don't engage with them.
The last thing we need is forthere to be a fight and these losers

(01:15:38):
to start claiming about being victims ofZionist aggression or some such nonsense. So
the good guys were very well behavedand not very many people went over there.
Their law enforcement was there in numbers, it turned out that they were
only about eighteen. Again, bymy count, of these protesters, they

(01:15:58):
all appeared to be in their twentyand he's accept two people, a woman
and a man who stood off tothe side, who looked to be more
like in their early thirties. AndI don't know if they were running the
show, but this one like verybutcher woman with rainbow colored hair, was

(01:16:19):
wearing a T shirt that said professionalanarchist. And the guy was standing there
wearing a black baseball hat, andhe had a beard, and he was
smoking a cigarette and he looked everybit like exactly what you'd expect from the
idiot communist in the getting a master'sdegree in sociology at some university. He's

(01:16:40):
standing there, smoking a cigarette,wearing a T shirt that said something like
keeping Kids off Capitalism and some organization. That's who these people are. They're
idiots. They might actually have anIQ, but they have no understanding in
the real world, and no understandingof the actual harm of the policies they
support and the actual murderous intent ofthe people they claim to support. And

(01:17:03):
frankly, again, I think they'rejust there because someone's paying them fifteen or
twenty bucks an hour to be there. I think they're bored, unemployed losers
who need a few bucks to gobuy their next dime bag. That's my
guess, but it was. Itook some videos. They're up on my

(01:17:25):
blog at Rosskominski dot com click onthe Monday blogcast. A Rod has also
posted that with some of my KOAcommentary about it this morning up at Koa's
twitter feed at KOA, Colorado.But I've got still pictures, I've got
videos. You can check out thewhole thing. See this pathetic group.
By the way, I do hopethat you will go look and see if
you recognize any of the people walkingin this little circle. There's a girl

(01:17:46):
with a bullhorn and a dozen otherswalking in a circle chanting some anti Israel
nonsense. But just see if yourecognize any of them, and if you
do, let's make them famous andjust try to make sure they can never
get a job, although as Isaid before, they're probably all on welfare
anyway, and probably not even tryingto get a job. But I was
very, very happy to see hundredsof people show up. One last quick

(01:18:10):
comment. Three or four times peopledrew drove by the pro US pro Israel
rally and yelled stuff out of theircars about Israel committing genocide or some other
nonsense every single time. The personwho yelled out of the car window appeared
to me to be somewhere between eighteenand twenty five years old. And I

(01:18:31):
don't know what it is exactly aboutyoung people in America that make them so
vulnerable to supporting the twenty first centuriesversion of Nazis, but there they are.
You know, we were wasting people'stime before asking about how to fix
my stove because we're good at it. And one listener said, the clicking
sound is because there's water in it. Just unplug it for an hour or

(01:18:54):
two, it'll dry out and it'llbe fine, So that's good. And
then the next person said, Ross, I think it will if you wash
your legs. And I'm thinking,I don't know if that's worth it.
It's a big trade to take allthat time to wash my legs just to
get a stove working again. Idon't know. I don't know if that's
worth it. You know what,I still have so many things. Let

(01:19:15):
me do this one. Let medo this one for about two or three
minutes, and then we're gonna havethe fantastic Bruce Melman on the show.
He's one of the best political analystsand pundits in America. A very hard
guy to book on a radio show. He's so freaking busy, but we're
gonna have him in the next segmentin the show. This is a story
from a website, intelligent dot Com. I believe that these guys did this

(01:19:42):
poll themselves. Pretty fascinating peace.It's actually came out a few months ago,
but I just learned about it andstill applies. So they were talking
about what employers see when college graduatescome to them, and the big picture
about hiring and why recent gen Zcollege graduates are struggling with, as they

(01:20:04):
put it here, many aspects ofprofessional life making them less desirable to hire.
Key findings Thirty eight percent of employersavoid hiring recent college graduates in favor
of older employees. One in fiveemployers. Now this is my favorite part.
Actually, this is my favorite part. One in five employers have had

(01:20:25):
a recent college graduate bring a parentto a job interview. Should I say
that again? One in five employershave had a recent college graduate bring a
parent to a job interview. Wow. The next one fits into the same
category if you think about it.Fifty eight percent of employers say recent college

(01:20:48):
graduates are unprepared for the workforce,and nearly half of employers have had to
fire a recent college graduate. Wow, I just gonna take a minute on
this because there's a lot of detailin this story that I'm not going to
get into right now. But onemore data points. Sixty three percent of

(01:21:11):
employers who've worked with recent college graduatessay that they frequently can't handle their workload.
Sixty one percent say recent college graduatesare frequently late to work, fifty
nine percent say they missed deadlines andassignments, fifty three percent say they're late
to meetings frequently late to meetings.And I think the point here really ties
into a much much bigger picture intwo areas. A lot of the nonsense

(01:21:36):
that we saw on college campuses ingeneral, and these these protests where you've
got college a lot of college kidsshowing up at these things, and college
kids protesting on their campuses a couplemonths a month ago when they should have
been taking finals. And then separatelyjust kind of the big picture thing of

(01:21:59):
wokeness at universities and brainwashing kids aboutall kinds of left wing stuff when instead
they should be learning. And Ithink the point here is really, yeah,
you can point your finger at stupidgen z college grads who are almost
unemployable, even though they probably spentan immense amount of money on college.

(01:22:23):
And it's easy to be mad ordisappointed with the students, these young adults.
But isn't this really the fault ofthe colleges, the fault of the
parents, but especially the colleges.Colleges are colleges goal should be to turn
out kids who can go into theworkforce, even if the workforce is being

(01:22:44):
an academic and being a college professoror going into whatever else they might want
to go into. And colleges aren'tdoing that. They have completely lost sight
of the mission and lost the abilityto complete the mission. And America is
going to struggle in international competition inless and until this gets better. So

(01:23:08):
hi, Bruce, if you cansee me in zoom. So this is
very, very exciting. So BruceMelman, I think is one of the
most interesting and insightful political analysts andpundits and consultants and very data driven,
a very data nerd guy like me. He's the founder of Melman Consulting me
e h l m a n consultingdot com and I just absolutely love his

(01:23:30):
work very busy dude, so Ifeel privileged that he found some time to
join us here on Kawa. Thanksfor being here, Bruce. Really good
to see you. Always great tosee you. Thanks for having me back.
Man. Is that your dog inthe painting behind your right shoulder?
What dog? Who is in thatpainting? That is our former dog,

(01:23:51):
Max, who was more or lesstwenty three and a half hours a day,
my companion through the pandemic. Hedidn't shower with me, but otherwise
we were inseparable. But he passedaway alas after thirteen years of loyal service.
And when my middle son was inhigh school, he had to take

(01:24:12):
an art class and he painted himand it was I liked it so much.
It was such a good likeness.It's on my wall. Love it
all right, let's jump right in. You do six chart Sundays and focus
is all up on my blog.Everything I'm talking about you can easily find
at Rosskominski dot com and you canlink to all of Bruce's stuff and subscribe.
And in the one you put outyesterday you talked about let's see,

(01:24:34):
it was the Economist and then itwas five thirty eight with their own probabilistic
take on the twenty twenty four presidentialelection, and the Economist has Trump like
two thirds to win and five thirtyeight basically has a toss up. So
my question for you is, howcan two both fairly respected models give such

(01:24:59):
different predictions. And I'm not askingyour prediction, this is a data question.
Well, look, the easy theTLDR version is nobody knows. Let's
see, what's a polite word forit, But nobody knows anything more significantly,
you know who's going to turn outthis time. I've seen good arguments

(01:25:20):
that it's going to be a highturnout election because it feels so existential for
people. And I've seen models andrationales and say it's going to be a
low turnout election because nobody likes theseold dudes, and you know, why
go vote for the geezers when youcan do something else. It's the highest
Pugist came out with their study.It's the highest percentage of people who dislike

(01:25:41):
both candidates in any modern election thatthey've measured. So will it be a
high turnout or a low turnout?I guess the economist in five point thirty
eight come to a different conclusion onthat I'm not sure. I'd say that's
a data question, that's a judgmentquestion, and the data get plugged into
stuff. But ultimately, you know, well, will Latino's turn out out
more than they did in twenty twentyor less than they did in twenty twenty.
There's just a whole you know,And do you want to wait national

(01:26:04):
averages or do you want to waitjust the six you know? Do you
see six swing states or do yousee nine swing states. There's a ton
of judgment that goes into this,and anybody who will tell you there is
a model that's always right or perfectis selling you something. Yeah, And
I just want to elaborate on somethingBruce said there, just to make sure
everybody's understanding what we're talking about.It's possible that, just as a hypothetical

(01:26:28):
that five point thirty eight and economists, the two different things we're talking about,
that came up with very different predictionsas far as the election, It's
possible that they could have done pollingand each gotten Just stick with me for
the hypothetical, the exact same results, like the exact same percentage of twenty
three year old white women said they'regoing to vote this way and the exact

(01:26:49):
same percentage of Asian men said they'regoing to vote this way. And then
each organization needs to decide based on, as Bruce said, judgment, well,
what percentage of twenty three year oldwhite women are actually gonna bother to
vote? And if they come upwith different judgments on that, then even
if their underlying polling is identical,their guesses will be different. Is that

(01:27:12):
about right? No, you nailedit. That's exactly right. And you
know, and for many that makesthis whole thing too much art and too
little science. First the challenges.Okay, so you go with your Ouiji
board and I'm gonna go with politicalscientists who have studied reams of data over
the last many years. We're goingto try to build their own model.

(01:27:32):
It's a very safe bet. Thecampaigns have their own models each and they
look at all of the public pollthey look at the cross tabs, and
they plug the answers that were givenin to their models. I mean,
another question, Ross, we don'tknow. We know it's twenty sixteen and
into twenty twenty, they were socalled shi Trump voters, people who were
going to vote for Trump but didn'twant to say it because they were worried

(01:27:54):
that maybe the poster from a mainstreammedia organization was going to, you know,
give them a hard time, youknow, whether it's you know,
they thought the would be political correctnessor was their guilty pleasure or whatever.
So then they give you the answerthat's not quite right. This is in
the inexact science. But it's betterthan those science at all. Yeah,
that makes sense. And I dothink it's a fascinating question, the fact

(01:28:16):
that both these guys are so unpopular. I don't like either of them,
and I'm in maybe not the majority, but at least the plurality. And
how does that? And I knowhow I'm going to vote. My listeners
know how well. I actually don'tknow how I'm going to vote. I
just know who I'm not going tovote for. I'm not going to vote
for either of them. I don'tknow who I am going to vote for.
I think, you know, mywife voted for me Ross. My

(01:28:40):
wife voted for me in twenty twenty. So I'll take a second vote.
Yeah, maybe I'll write you in. That sounds just fine to me.
Now, let me switch gears.In recent years, ticket splitting seems to
have died tickets splitting, folks,basically means join voting for one party for
president and another party for Senate orHouse or or something else. Do you
think tickets splitting will stay dead hereor do you think there are so many

(01:29:04):
people who are so upset with theeconomy and cost of living and whatever that
they might, let's say, voteTrump for the presidency and vote for a
Democratic Senate candidate. I think thatversion of ticket splitting is probably more likely
than someone voting for than the otherway around. But is ticket splitting dead
or might it show up here?Yeah? To quote Princess Bride, it's

(01:29:27):
mostly dead, mostly dead. Ithink it has been in decline. As
my last quarterly analysis again used thedata showing it it's been in a decline
for about two decades. Increasingly allpolitics are national, and also increasingly,
both in districts and in states,people live and think like people near them,

(01:29:49):
and so you know, you havefar fewer swing states than you had
twenty years ago and thirty years ago, far more landslide county than you used
to have, and so part ofit is just where people choose to live.
In the case of the Senate,in the case of states, is
there are just fewer swing areas.Also, though the nature of media and

(01:30:13):
social media make everything feel more national. Part of the same trend is why
we've seen the death of local newsoutlets in so many places, because these
big, national broad trends seem totake over. But I agree with your
where you asked the question, twentytwenty four will have more tickets splitting than
we saw in the Senate in twentytwenty, where there was one and in
twenty sixteen, where there was none, partly because you've got four toss up

(01:30:40):
seats that are all dem defended andthree more lean seats that are all defended,
and several of these like Montana andOhio and West Virginia are going to
go for Trump, so we'll seea modest picked back up. The other
thing you may find is you mayfine because they're both unpopular. Because this

(01:31:02):
is the I really have to chooseone of these two guys elections, You're
probably going to see some number ofvotes saying some of other folks saying either,
well, I'm gonna vote for Biden, but I'm gonna put a Republican
in the Senate to contain him,or I'm gonna vote for Trump, but
I'm sure is Hell going to makesure there's a Democratic senator if I can
help it, because I'm worried abouthis authoritarian tendencies, and I think a

(01:31:23):
Democratic Senate will check it. SoI could see a lot of that.
Yeah, I can too. Ithink I think the second version is more
likely than the first. I don'tthink there will be a lot of people
voting for Biden and a Republican senator. I can see more people voting for
Trump and a Democratic senator. ButI also think, well, let me

(01:31:45):
ask you about that. Ross.Yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt, No,
go ahead. Twenty after Nicki Hayleydropped out, you still had twenty
percent ongoing of Republican primary voters pickingNicki Haley. The demographic profile of a
Biden Republican Senator voter would be aNicki Haley voter. Okay, so all

(01:32:08):
right. I'm somewhat tentative in debatingyou because you know so much more than
I do. But what I wouldsay is that I don't know anything.
I would say that in a lotof those primaries, the people who showed
up to vote for Nicki Haley inthe Republican primaries were unaffiliated voters or Democrats
who were allowed to participate in thoseprimaries. I think in most or all

(01:32:30):
of those states they were open primaries, and that means that those people,
in fact, if Nicki Haley hadgotten the Republican nomination, I bet that
half of those people at least wouldhave voted for Joe Biden if Nicki Haley
were the nominee. Because they're justDemocrats. There's no point in participating in
a Democratic primary, so they wantto express their hatred to Donald Trump by

(01:32:53):
voting for Nicki Haley. What doyou think? Yeah, well, you're
right. There's certainly a significant numberof voters who voted in Republican primaries and
states that allow you to pick eitherprimary where there was no statement to make
and no one to vote for inthe Democratic primary, and they decided to

(01:33:13):
have a statement. We saw meaningfullyorganized efforts to do that back when Haley
was still alive politically in New Hampshire. You know, maybe that happened,
but boy who was spending money tocoordinate that sort of protest effort? Seems
to me since Trump's clearly going tobe the Republican nominee and Biden's going to
be clearly the Republican nominee. Iwonder if a Democratic voter would go to

(01:33:35):
the trouble in the tens of thousandsof Well, I'm still going to show
up to vote in the primary,because that's I want to even though it's
a FATA complee. I'm going tovote in the other party, and I'm
going to send the message that nobody'sapparently going to listen to. Maybe they
did it, but it's you know, those are people who might need another
hobby. Folks were talking with BruceMelman, who I think is one of

(01:33:59):
most interesting and insightful political analysts outthere. If you go to Bruce Melman
and that's m E H L mA N dot substack dot com, you
can sign up for his quarterly analyzesand his six charts Sundays, which are
just great brief bits of information andit's all free. I mean, I'd
pay for it if it if itrequired that. It's that good. Let

(01:34:21):
me just go back to this thingthen that you're that you're asking about.
So let me go with your premisethat many or most of the people who
voted for NICKI Haley and Republican primariesare actually Republicans. So then the question
becomes the whole and we hear thisevery time. Are they coming home?

(01:34:43):
Right? So are these people whowere Nicki Haley supporters? By the way,
I was a Nicky Haley supporter.In fact, I would have supported
almost any Republican. I usually votelibertarian for president, but I would have
supported Haley. I would have supportedDeSantis, I would have supported a few
of them. I would not havesupported Ramaswami or Mike Pence. And I'm
not going to sport Trump. Andit pisses off a lot of my listeners

(01:35:05):
that I'm not going to sport Trump. But anyway, will they come home?
And I think a lot of thesepeople and again this probably comes down
to the model thing we were talkingabout at the beginning, Right, will
they come home? Will Hailey votersvote for Trump? Will it be look
at Joe Biden and say, look, I don't like Trump, but I
cannot do four more years at this. Will the will the conviction on the

(01:35:29):
ridiculous hush money trial push Hailey votersto support I don't know, what do
you think? Yeah, I guessI'd start with I'd say many, not
most, but I think many ofthe Hailey voters in the primaries, both
before she got out and after shegot out, are Republicans. I don't
think all of them, And Ithink you made the right thinking that whether

(01:35:49):
it's Independence or even some Dems,there are folks who wanted to, you
know, make the only available statementto be made in the primaries by voting
for Nicky Haley. Of the Republicans, Yeah, I think a majority end
up coming home in the same way. Right now, President Biden is struggling
in the polls with younger voters andvoters of color who are working class from

(01:36:12):
especially male Latinos and African American youngmen. He's struggling really bad. Do
I think you know Donald Trump's goingto crest over twenty percent of African American
voters. No. I think alot of what both campaigns are trying and
planning to do is how do webring home our voters as opposed to having
them stay home, which is ahuge risk that both campaigns face. But

(01:36:36):
at the end of the day,you know, if and when you can,
if you're talking about issues, youget the voters more likely to come
home to their respective traditional homes.At least certainly the Republican voters. If
you're talking about, you know,other characteristics, they may stray, they

(01:36:57):
may stray away. And that's whyI think the closing arguments for Team Trump
are going to be that President Bidenis too weak, that he's too woke,
and that he's to Washington right,and they just have to harp on
cost of living over and over andover again. And you know, I
will say that election after election thesedays is just so much focus on swing

(01:37:17):
states. But there's pretty significant blackpopulation around Philadelphia. There's obviously a large
black population in Michigan. There's someblack population in Milwaukee as well. I
don't know why Trump felt the needto call Milwaukee a disgusting city. But
if Trump is even sniffing twenty percentin those places and other places in Georgia,

(01:37:44):
like this election isn't even going tobe very close in terms of electoral
vote, Yeah, you would think, although again that then goes back to
the question we we're just going aroundthe barn on. You know, is
there a meaningful amount of this affectedRepublican voters who, because of January sixth,
there are other reasons simply aren't gonnacome home in the presidential race.

(01:38:06):
For the Republican. So there's justthere is. If this weren't reality,
this is one of the more fascinatingpolitical science experiments we've lived through because I've
got I right now have two outlinesthat I'm working at home, and I
feel really confident I can absolutely explainwhy Joe Biden lost, and I can

(01:38:28):
absolutely explain why Donald Trump lost.I just can't decide who lost. But
once they lose, we'll know exactlywhy. All of the reasons are already
totally out there. I wish bothof them could lose. But that brings
me to my next question. Actually, let's see if we can squeeze in
two more questions. I say Iwish both of them could lose, but
other than maybe the libertarian candidate who'sobviously not going to win, I don't

(01:38:49):
want any of the other people towin. This brings me to RFK.
Right, So RFK is somewhere aroundeight, ten percent, twelve percent depending
on these polls. Do you thinkhe'll actually end up somewhere around ten percent
or do you think a lot ofvoters will say I'm not going to waste
my vote like that. I personallyam perfectly willing to quote unquote waste my

(01:39:10):
vote. I usually vote libertarian,but most people won't. Do you think
he'll really end up there? Andwho do you think he hurts? More
great questions. So first we shouldremember that Ross Perrot at one point was
leading both President George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton. He was
pulling thirty nine percent at his highestpoll in nineteen ninety two. He ended

(01:39:33):
up with eighteen point nine percent.John Anderson, who ran in nineteen eighty
was pulling double digits, and heended up in modest single digits. Third
parties often look stronger before the closingarguments of don't waste your vote and or
before people get to know him andI think they're you know, if sight

(01:39:55):
on scene, if you just saidRobert Kennedy Junior is running, RFK Junior
pulls a lot more votes from theDemocrats. When you then explain now he
is more anti vax and more conspiratorialon those sort of questions than Donald Trump,
you suddenly his support among Democrats goesway down. When you talk about
you know, he is more isolationistthan either of the main candidates. He

(01:40:18):
loses some potential you know, libertarianwho still think they're libertarians who think there's
a more muscular role for the UnitedStates and global affairs. You know,
when his own comments and his divorcetrial where he said he had brainworms and
he kind of go through some stuff, and even though the dude looks like
he's in pretty good physical shape,you know, you may walk away and

(01:40:38):
think, yeah, you know,I'm not gonna I'm not picking him because
he's the hearty, inhale, healthydude, because they all are kind of
a mess. And so my betis he ends up in modest single digits.
He's also got to get on theballot. The system in our country
is rigged against third party candidates,starting with it's hard to get on the
ballot, then going to the factthat it's first pass the post, and

(01:41:00):
we the way the system is designedmakes it really, really, really hard
for third parties at any level tofind a path to victory, and especially
at a big national level who hetakes votes from. So the really smart
people who actually do the data analyzes, I just read people, but it
couok political report. Their big macrolook at all of the polls about a

(01:41:21):
month ago concluded that for every sevenpoints that RFK Junior was getting, four
of them came from Biden and threeof them came from Trump. And some
of that is to the enthusiasm gap, where fewer than one quarter of people
who say they're going to vote forPresident Biden say they're psyched about it.
They're usually just really hostile to presidentformer President Trump. More than half of

(01:41:45):
the people who say yea, I'mvote for Donald Trump are pumped to vote
for their guy. And so ifyou have a low enthusiasm candidate but they
just cannot stomach the other guy,it's easier to see them jump into the
third party than a have a youknow, than a candidate who has high
enthusiasm among the people looking to votefor him. All right, we're gonna
leave it there, Bruce. Folksgo to Bruce Melman, that's Bruce me

(01:42:05):
ehlma and substack dot com. Signup for his Age of Disruption Substack.
It doesn't cost you anything, andit is some of the most interesting,
incisive, nonpartisan, data driven analysisyou're gonna find. It's truly truly great,
Bruce. I'm really grateful for yourtime. I know you're a busy
dude. Thanks for making time forus. Appreciate it. As always,

(01:42:30):
Ross keep up the great work.All right, you two, you too?
All right, Mandy's here. Hello, Wow, welcome back. I
haven't heard hello like that in awhile. How was the truth? Oh
so good? It was so sogood and I am so so tired right
now. When did you get back? We got back Saturday, like late
afternoon. Yeah, so it wasfine. And I'm just gonna say this,

(01:42:50):
if you were among the two thousandpeople in the customs line in Denver
International Airport on Saturday, it's timeto pay for global entry. Oh my
gosh, because that thing saved uson Saturday. Okay, so you and
Chuck both had and the queue andyeah, she was on the track.
So you went to Norway. Wewent to wors and then we went to

(01:43:12):
Bruges, Belgium, which locked mysocks off. Yeah. What a great
little towel that place is. Itotally want to go back there. And
then we went to Bergen, OldenFlom not in that order. We went
to flom, Olden and Bergen inNorway and it was just magnificent. It's
just just staggeringly beautiful and a cruise. That was a cruise up there.

(01:43:32):
And then the listeners that went withus not a dud in the bunch.
They were all outstanding, not asingle a hole in the entire group.
Here was so much. You canlisten to my show and here more.
Okay, do you have pictures upon your Instagram? You have my Facebook
and and stuff all the places wewent. All right, fantastic. Everybody
stick around and give Mandy a bigwelcome back from her fabulous vacation. And

(01:43:55):
she'll need your help kind of likelike a form of caffeine, like what
like sharing caffeine through the text lineor something, And keep Mandy awake for
this show. She'll appreciate the help. Keep it right here on KWA.
I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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