The Troubleshooter 11-18-25

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, ripped news, So you don't have.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Come running just as as as be can.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Shooter's gonna help come.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Man, this is the Troubleshooter Show now, Tom Martino.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hello, I'm Tom Martino, Major, Mark Major back at the
ranch with people in the studio. Mark, what do we
got going on at the main studio?

Speaker 5 (00:33):
And we're gonna be talking all kinds of home finance.
We're going to talk about buying and selling homes. We're
gonna be talking about the foreclosure rate ticking up. I
think I was reading twenty percent. I'm not sure if
that's going on here in Denver, But we got Frank Durant,
the real estate man, of course, Stephanie Thomas down in
the Pike's Peak region, and then we got John Clace

(00:54):
with CMG Financial, the King of all loans, and that's
what's happening here. Suzanne joins us today, by the way,
and then on the other side of the glass, I
assume we have Shannon. I can barely see through there,
and then can't leep.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Okay, so let's take it away and let's ask this
burning question. I get it in various terms, emails, texts,
talking to people. What is going on now? We're going
to talk as it relates to real estate, but I
also want to talk about as it relates to us.

(01:31):
What is going on with the economy. Do we have
a good economy or do we have a struggling economy,
or do we have somewhere in between? What is actually
going on? And do you guys in real estate and
in lending, notice any differences or any kind of change

(01:53):
over the last few months or several months? Guys, what
do you think? How would you discribe I have the
state of the economy.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
You know, Tom, good morning, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:04):
I'll tell you I've noticed just on a few deals,
not a whole lot, but a few delays. And some
of that had to do with tax transcripts getting through
them though, which has been great. And overall, I think
the markets, if anything, been more recalibrating. It's not going
through the roof, it's not dropping, it's just more recalibrating.
People are more thoughtful. The bidding wars have stopped. Frank well,

(02:26):
you know, Tom, funny you say that they haven't stopped entirely.
On some properties, we still get bidding wars depending on
price point and area. But I do think buyers have
become more hesitant and been a little more reluctant at times.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, Stephanie, are you finding basically the same?

Speaker 8 (02:42):
I would agree, you know, I think buyers have more
option in the market right now, So I see a
lot of buyers that are actually taking their time and
shopping and really looking versus jumping on that first property
that they happen to like. So intern of course, you know,
days on market increases for listening, but that's not always
abnormal in a balanced market, you know, to market your

(03:04):
home for a little while. So I think we're seeing
some of those conditions.

Speaker 9 (03:07):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Our houses on that on the market longer now. I
mean it used to be a few days than a
few weeks. What they're a little they're on the market
a little longer these days.

Speaker 8 (03:18):
Yes, we're seeing that, you know, in Colorado Springs, in
the Pueblo area where I tend to work. You know,
Colorado Springs average days on market for the active properties
that I just pulled numbers this morning, the average days
on market are ninety seven out of actives, so we've
got a few months worth of inventory.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay. And John Clays CMG Financial, a lender the bank,
what are you seeing you know.

Speaker 10 (03:45):
I'm seeing it's it's almost kind of like a split economy,
you know, you got the haves to have nots type of.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Thing, and that's what I'm seeing.

Speaker 10 (03:53):
And people really really want to see that five handle
on interest rates. I mean, you know, to weeks ago,
I was quoting some people's six and a quarters and
they're like, I'm gonna wait till five because they hear
about all the rate cuts, which don't always correlate to
mortgage drops, but people are kind of just waiting to

(04:13):
see what's gonna happen with these rate cuts and if
we can get down into the fives on the interest rate.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, okay, And as you know John CMG. I also
have another lender that advertises with US. He's been around
a lot of US mortgages, and and Mark Shamansky I've
known them, or Dave Schamanskyam sorry, Mark is over at Genesis.
They're not related by the way. Anyway. I just noticed

(04:39):
he had a five year fixed rate product and seems
to be popular. Can you guys do short term fixed?

Speaker 11 (04:46):
Uh No?

Speaker 10 (04:47):
And to be honest, with those rates, let's put it,
let's face it, we can all do them.

Speaker 11 (04:52):
It's what do you pay for it. Yeah, that's that's
the bottom line.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
It's it's right.

Speaker 10 (04:57):
Sure, I'll get you a five percent rate, but it's
gonna cost enough money you can get And that's what
that is. So I mean it is it does help,
and especially when you when you're buying a property. We're
getting a lot of seller financing that buys that rate down.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
But yeah, now what about what about creative financing? Have
we seen much? I actually got a I got an
email today where a guy is selling and he will
only accept crypto. I've never heard of such a thing before.
This was email to me and they said, can they

(05:33):
even do that? Ah, that's a good question. Can people?
Can people name their terms and conditions? I mean, can
I'm looking for the email?

Speaker 12 (05:43):
Right?

Speaker 6 (05:43):
We trade for a basket of apples if I wanted to?

Speaker 12 (05:46):
Right?

Speaker 1 (05:48):
But what I mean is when you list a home, uh,
and Frank, maybe Frank can answer. Maybe you know, we
can talk about what is allowed. I mean, if you
have us dollars, I mean, can they really refused to
take them if you wanted to go to closing? I
guess they could, As Mark said, they could probably say
I only want apples. Guys, what do you think.

Speaker 11 (06:09):
Stephanie right in the contract, right.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, that in the listing. In the listing they
were talking about crypto only, and I don't understand it.
I mean, I just don't why someone would do that.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
Have you guys a tax benefit to it?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, I'm trying to find the damn email.

Speaker 11 (06:29):
I had it right too, but don't realize that gains yet.

Speaker 6 (06:33):
Until you say you don't realize the gains.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Maybe, have you guys. As far as financing, I've also
heard of one. This was in the past, and I
didn't understand why because it made no sense. This person
was selling their home and they said no loans. In

(06:56):
other words, if the buyer had to get a loan,
they didn't, they would accept the contract. I don't understand that.
I mean, if you yeah, well.

Speaker 8 (07:06):
If you can, yeah, it would definitely take out that
appraisal p use and loan approvals things like that.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
But I have okay, that's what they Yeah, and this
was this was about three or four years ago. They
said there might have been longer. I said, no loans
in other words. But but I said to the guy
one time. I remember because my niece was looking at
the house and I said, what difference does it make
If the loan is there and ready, what do you
care how they got the money. I mean, if they

(07:32):
got the money, they have the money. You can put
in there. As Mark said, no contingencies or uh, as
Stephanie alluded to, you can put down you know, as
far as no loan approvals. No, no, no contingencies. I mean,
that's what it boils down to. You can say that,
but to say no loans, what difference would it make.

(07:53):
I think that's what the seller was trying to do
is eliminate taking the house off the market and then
having someone turned down for a loan.

Speaker 10 (08:03):
I see that a lot, and it kind of crazy.
And I'd like to say, ask your guys opinion. But
because these realtors get stuck on oh you can't have
I get contingency financing, but cash alone is just like cash.
I agree with you, Tom, as long as you take
off your contingencies and don't happen right right, Yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think what they're trying to do is not take
a house off the market and not have it blow
up at the end. And I know that that for
Sephanie and Frank that means you guys have to do
a certain amount of thinking when you accept an offer.
And I'll bet you you've had buyers before come or
potential buyers, and you've said to your seller, I know

(08:45):
it looks good on paper, but I don't think it's
going to close. Have you had situations like that where
you have to evaluate the offers? You can't just take
an offer because it's there.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
Oh, absolutely, That's part of my process with every one
of my anytime we get that pre approval letter, I'm
having a detailed conversation with the buyer's lender to try
to get the best.

Speaker 11 (09:07):
Idea we can.

Speaker 8 (09:08):
And like anything, there's no fail safe, there's no one
hundred percent guarantees. Because I had a situation this year
where the lenders answered every question correctly, they had the approvals,
they had all of these things, and then it ended
up blowing up at the last minute. And ultimately, I
feel like in that situation, the lender really did a
disservice to not just my client, but to their client
because they cost their client their home. But also, you know,

(09:30):
took us off the market and we had to go on.
But we went through I mean that detailed list of
you know, their automated underwriting approvals, assets, income verification, you know,
employment verification, all of those things, so I have a list. Ultimately,
the lender came back at the last minute and said, oh,
by the way, we don't have the approval that they

(09:50):
told me they had at the beginning because I have
a standard list of questions.

Speaker 6 (09:54):
So it was really frustrating.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Do you guys, both of you, Frank and Stephanie to
call last week and this guy? How do I put it?
So no one ever contacted to lender to see if
to lender was real?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
All right?

Speaker 6 (10:12):
Yeah, you guys do that?

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Do you literally call the lenders before you show my
house every time?

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Mark?

Speaker 7 (10:17):
Yeah, I have a deep conversation with him. There's a
lot of quition, just like Stephanie was just mentioning. We
asked him a lot of questions just to make sure
it's on the up and up and everything's strong.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
And if I do go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
Well, if you had a cash offer, and even if
if someone had a contingency like either selling their house
or to me alone, is a contingency?

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Is that correct?

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Right?

Speaker 5 (10:36):
So if you have both of those, I mean I
probably I'd take a cash offer, even if it was
fifteen to twenty grand lest well, really, depending on the
price of the property, maybe even more. I mean, would
you guys tell your clients at instead of having to
deal with all those other things going on.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
I would tell you in everyday real estate though, Mark
more times than not, it's all about which offer has
the most punch. So in other words, we've had multiple offers.
Sometimes where a cash offer comes in, they're twenty grand less.
But somebody comes in FAHA with their very strong talk
to the lender, strong job history. The FAHA may be
the better opera in that case. And sometimes you're FAHA
and VA buyers. Although sometimes people frown and say oh,

(11:14):
they get put to the bottom of the piles sometimes
because of all the extra hoops. Sometimes those are your
most loyal buyers, the ones that hang on for dear
life and want to make that deal work. So sometimes
they have more skin in the game than even somebody
that puts cash down.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
They could walk away very easily. All right, We have
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(12:40):
here with Mark Major and the gang at the Main
studio and I'm at Casa Studio and here here's what
we're doing. We're talking real estate and finance and anything
else on your mind. Kichina. Do we have a deputy
bow around that he can talk to this Aaron problem
that we had last week.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
Let me try to call it all right.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I want to get him up as well, and then
we'll take Aaron three h three seven one three eight
two five five. So what I wanted to know is
in the marketplace, we have time on the market. But
what about pricing. What's happening in real estate with pricing?

(13:23):
Our prices adjusting? Are they staying strong or isn't Where
do we stand, Stephanie.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Isn't it just the fact that you said, and Frank,
I didn't hear your answer to this. Homes are on
the market longer now compared to the last I don't
know whatever.

Speaker 7 (13:37):
A couple of years they are marking Denver Metro. The
average days in the market is fifty two days in MLS.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
What was the quickest under thirty?

Speaker 7 (13:45):
Oh gosh, at one time we were market we were
under eleven days.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
You know, it was unreal.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
That must go hand in hand with pricing. If it's
on the market longer, the pricing has to be down.
If you've got a house moving in ten days, you're
getting great. You're getting stuff way over appraisal.

Speaker 7 (14:01):
Right, surprisingly though prices have remained relatively strong. It's not
like prices are crashing mark. They've just they've been a
little soften. Average closed price for properties of seven thirty
two to two thirteen. That's for all properties single families
eight oh five six ninety eight in October, so median
prices around five seventy five. It's not a huge difference.

(14:22):
I think one time we were sitting around medium price
is six y ten, So it's not like a huge drop.
I think if anything just softened a bit.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
But do you ever see a time any of you
where we're going to have a major correction. I mean,
maybe not as major as the mid eighties, but I
excuse me, they excuse me two thousand and uh what
eight to ten to eleven? I mean, but do you.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Don't know why we would think we wouldn't And I
don't even know if I'd call it a correction.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
I mean, how about COVID.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
How about if we had a COVID that wiped out
three times the amount of people there wouldn't be anybody
buying anything.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, do you see anything in the future though that
could change things dramatically? I mean interest rates?

Speaker 7 (15:03):
What do you think, well, one thing we were talking
about Tom that could potentially make an impact is the
talk of the fifty year mortgage. And there's pros and
cons on both sides of that fence. Because on one hand,
you have people that are renting right now. It's tough
for them to get in the market, so entry into
a loan is a lot easier for that type of
buyer and easier on their monthly payments. The other side

(15:24):
of it is, does the market have time to breathe
and self correct? So if you get more buyers in
the market, that tends to raise prices, which ultimately could
affect the market.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
You know how I feel about fifty year loans. I
don't care if they're thirty, forty, fifty, or one hundred.
I'll bet you a small minority of people buy a
home with the idea of paying it off. Now. I
mean there are people that will pay it off, like
with lump sums. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking

(15:54):
about living in a home and paying on the mortgage.
When they say, well, if you get a fifty year loan,
it's going to take you this many years and you're
going to pay this much an interest, No one's going
to do that. People move a lot. It used to
be you got a loane, you got a home, and
that was it, maybe twice in your lifetime. But what
is the average right now? What do people stay in

(16:15):
their house? About seven years?

Speaker 10 (16:17):
Yeah, it was lower than that, what used to be
about five. It's up to about seven now. Because of
how low the mortgages were. People are delaying moving and selling. Yeah,
but yeah, but people people move. People moved me and Frank,
we're talking about that earlier. Is it gets them in
a house, but yeah, they're not going to stay there.
That may refinance to a thirty year fixed when they

(16:39):
can afford it.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
So yeah, and really, so how much impact would fifty
years have for initially? It would qualify maybe a few
more people, right.

Speaker 10 (16:50):
Yeah, yeah, you know you're going to see maybe in
some of the Midwest areas where you can still buy
houses for three hundred and fifty thousand.

Speaker 11 (16:59):
Yeah, you may help there.

Speaker 10 (17:01):
But if the Denver market we're kind of we're we're
up there, man. So it's hard and everything they're talking
about kind of is going to keep housing prices high.
Fifty year mortgage, you know, take your mortgage with you.
That's just going to keep the prices higher.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I think, now, what is keep your mortgage with you?
What are we talking about?

Speaker 10 (17:22):
That's the one they just came out with, where if
you if you buy a house on a thirty year
mortgage and you have a let's say a five point
five rate, and you were in that house for five years,
but you can take that additional twenty five years. You
may have to come up with some more money, but
into your new house, you can take that loan that

(17:43):
rate with you on that Now you may have to
get an additional mortgage if it's a big up, if
you spend a lot more money, you can just get
a mortgage for that difference, is what they're talking about.
So it's it's I don't know if that will work either,
but it's it's it's take your mortgage with you basically,
it's what they'reteresting.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, I think all kinds of creative options are available.
That's why I love what you guys do. I think
interest I think all loans should be interest only and
then and then minimum listen, minimum principal payments within certain
time limits. But you get to choose it. What were

(18:24):
you gonna say, John.

Speaker 11 (18:25):
We're actually coming out with him.

Speaker 10 (18:26):
We're gonna probably be the one of the first ones
with it, probably first quarter year. It used to be
they called they used to call it like to pick
your payment type deal.

Speaker 11 (18:34):
But yeah, come out with a mortgage where you can pay.

Speaker 10 (18:36):
Interest only this month if you need to, you can
pay the fifteen year fully advertised a thirty year or
do it. But as long as you're not lending one
hundred percent loan to value, it's actually a really great mortgage.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, and a lot of people, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (18:51):
Well, we'll have this probably for the first quarter next year.
We'll have that this program, that program out there.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, I think it would be great to be able
to do that and to have people, Yeah, have people
you know, because as you said, pick your payment, I mean,
if people know they're going to be in a home,
then they would eat down that principle, they would pay
down that principle quicker. And a lot of people love
doing that. And if you know you're not going to

(19:18):
be there a long time, what the hell's the difference?
You know, you pay your interest only, have you don't
have a lot of pressure on payment, and that can
make that can make a difference. I think we have
to be more creative with home financing. I one time
encountered a guy who said, think about this. You qualify

(19:39):
at different parts of your life, but you qualify and
you literally get a credit card. And this credit card
would be for a mortgage. So this credit card, you're
all pre approved, you have an underwriter, and you have
basically this card. And again they might like with a
regular credit card, they might requalify you every few years

(20:00):
or whatever. But you have this credit card and you
can literally walk in for real estate and when you
execute the card, the loan goes into place. If you
think about it, it's not that crazy as it john
think about it.

Speaker 10 (20:13):
It's not because now because you're not just lending on
the property, you're lending on the individual also.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Right exactly, And you know when they come to you
and they have a credit card and they have a
limit on the credit card, you know it's going to close.
And they literally submit the credit card which puts into
effect their payment, and then talk about taking it with you.
If they sell and they pay down the card, or
maybe they don't have to, they pay it down and

(20:41):
leave a few leave ten twenty thousand on there, and
then move to the next house. As long as the
appraisal supports it, this credit card system would be it
would be incredible in my opinion.

Speaker 11 (20:52):
Pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, it's very interesting there. Like I said that the
mortgage industry has try all kinds of adaptations over the years, right,
and I think like the one you have, the all
in one loan. I mean, I think that's the biggest
change in mortgages we've seen in the entire industry, don't you.

Speaker 11 (21:14):
Oh, it's fantastic.

Speaker 10 (21:16):
People really need to learn about it because you know,
mortgage interest kills you, man, but but you know you
can do it.

Speaker 11 (21:22):
But yeah, all on one line.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Anyway, it is great. We got a lot to talk about.
Frank Duran, the real estate Man dot com. Frank Duran,
he's in studio along with Stephanie Thomas, Stephanie r E
stands for real Estate Stephaniere dot com and then of
course partner in Lending dot com, which is John. So
if you have questions for them, fine, If not, you

(21:44):
can still call us with any problem or anything like
pissing you off. Really before it gets too serious, now, Aaron,
we'll come back and talk about this whether we get
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three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. Hey, Tom Martino here,

(23:24):
welcome to the show. Three oh three seven one three
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Let's talk to Aaron and bring up Deputy bow And
basically it's a sad story. But you know what sad
or not to me? It goes to prove my point
that I can think of net well. There's never never

(23:46):
an advantage to the consumer for paying up front on anything,
especially with home financing or buildings or construction. Here here's
the deal. He hired contractor Kellen Vance to build a
metal building. He put thirty percent down, twenty four thousand dollars,

(24:09):
and he heard that the contractor or did the contractor
tell you, is sick with cancer. Now my heart goes
out to this guy. I trust me. But still, what
happens with the money paid in if the guy can't
complete the job. Unforeseen circumstances come up all the time,

(24:32):
So you don't have to be a liar or a cheater.
You don't have to be You can be a well
meaning guy and a well meaning galley of a well
meaning company, but still not be able to complete a contract.
That's why paying as you go, in my opinion, is
always the best option, and I'll argue this with anyone.

(24:55):
So Aaron BO said he couldn't get through the contractor Bo,
did you find only get through to him?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
No?

Speaker 13 (25:01):
I called three times to his business and three times
to his cell phone and tell Advance doesn't have cancer?
What's that he doesn't have cancer? Because when I initially
made the phone call to him in studio last week,
he texted me right back asking how I could help.

(25:23):
I posed myself as a customer, and then then when
I did my follow up calls as with the Trouble
Shooter show, he just totally ghost to me.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
But but how do we know? Though? How do we know?
How do we know? Though he doesn't have cancer, he
could still have cancer and just trying to keep it together.

Speaker 13 (25:43):
Okay, then if he asked cancer, why doesn't he just
communicate to say, Hey, I'm I'm sick Bottle or.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I'm sick Karen, Karen, have you heard anything from this
guy at all?

Speaker 14 (25:56):
So I severed communications with him and only communicated with
him through an attorney as of the twelfth of November.
But my attorney also had no answer to a demand letter.
He made calls to both personal and business line as well,

(26:20):
and then my wife and I did some slitting of
our own, calling around to pretty much everywhere we could
find where he could have potentially used the money to
make the down payment to a manufacturer for the building,
and came up with nothing.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
No, no.

Speaker 14 (26:39):
To answer your question, I've not heard back from him, and.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Your attorney has been unable to get an answer from him.
And you made this payment back? When did you make
this original payment?

Speaker 14 (26:53):
The exact day is escaping me up the top of
my head, but it would have been, okay, right around
mid October mid.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Okay, all right, so it hasn't been all that long.
But what gave you the first inkling that he had
cancer to be in with? How did this enter into
the conversation?

Speaker 14 (27:11):
It entered into the conversation when he didn't show up
on the day he was supposed to to start the
concrete work. And that's when I had trouble getting a
hold of him. I've not had trouble before getting ahold
of him. And then he eventually texted me and said hey,
after saying then he would be there on it was
supposed to start on a Monday, then it was I'll

(27:32):
be there Tuesday. The crew was held up though, supposedly.

Speaker 15 (27:35):
And finishing a job.

Speaker 14 (27:37):
And then Wednesday said that and he's like, well, actually
let us go for Friday because it's like, it's just
really difficult for me to call me back so we
could talk. And he said, well, listen, I'm in chemo
every day and I cannot talk in the infusion center,
so I'm trying to email and call back and forth.
And that's when I was like, oh, as a as

(27:58):
a medical professional, I'm like, well, if you've got key
man like, I appreciate that, but just let me know
so I don't think you're just ghosted me here. And then,
like I said, the final straw was when he set
up another time to come didn't show and I did
a I pulled a property search from he Speak Regional
Building and noticed that no permits had been pulled. So
I'm like, well, as far as I'm concerned, you're making

(28:21):
these statements and when you're going to show up, but
you can't start to work without the permits.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yes, how did you find How did you find Dvance
Metal Buildings LLC? To begin with? How did you find him?

Speaker 14 (28:33):
So when I was going around and doing my invest
like looking for different places, it was one that popps
up in a Google search. It's one that pops up
on Facebook. It pops up in a couple different places.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
At the did you look did you look to see.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Did you look to see IVS still advertising? He is,
he is, okay, yeah, this is this is sad.

Speaker 14 (28:57):
And so to kind of give you a just update
on where we are, I was excited to talk to
Bo this morning about it, but since nothing has happened
over the weekend, I filed a complaint electronically with the
Attorney General's Office in Colorado. Yeah, and that's when they
recommended that I actually.

Speaker 16 (29:15):
File a criminal.

Speaker 17 (29:20):
Police report for theft.

Speaker 14 (29:21):
And so I filed a criminal police report with the
Alfasive County Sheriff's office, which is my local jurisdiction, and
gave them turned over all everything I had. And after
talking to the deputy, they're like, well, since you paid
for a service, which is you paid the down payment
for a building to be built, and nothing has happened.

(29:43):
He's unwilling to prove that anything has happened given the
amount of money that was given.

Speaker 17 (29:49):
It's being.

Speaker 14 (29:52):
They're opening a case against theft, and in this case,
it could be a Class four Felamy case.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Good because there was no attempt or anything to do anything.
He just took money. And of course the Contractors Trust
Act says that money has to be put in trust
for you, which means that it should still be there.
But you're not getting does he even have an attorney?
Do you know? Does the guy have an attorney? Does
he have anything?

Speaker 16 (30:17):
I once again, you know that I have no idea.

Speaker 17 (30:21):
He's not answering me.

Speaker 14 (30:22):
He's not answering attorney. My guess is based off of
what my wife and I have been able to determine.

Speaker 17 (30:27):
I would seriously doubt it.

Speaker 14 (30:30):
That's why, after talking with after kind of seeing what
my options were, they're not going to go against the
contract Or Trust Act right now for charges just because
they can't prove that he's used the money. So he's
at least in violent right right right CRS eighteen dash

(30:50):
four Right.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
It's part of the something, it's part of the Consumer
Protection Act where you can't basically do what he did.
You know, I looked on Facebook. He's still he's still
all over Facebook too. Again, this is a great example,
it's a great example of why you should never pay

(31:12):
upfront to anyone. I don't care who they are. I
don't care if they're on the referral list. There's very
few cases where you would pay upfront for nothing. I mean,
it just doesn't make sense. Bo.

Speaker 13 (31:28):
So what i'd like to do? Yeah, well, Saron's on
the phone. I'd like to go over to his place
of business this afternoon, knocked on the door and asked
a few point of questions to him over on nineteen
oh by Sherman Street.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, I wonder what is over there? Have you ever
looked Aaron on nineteen oh five Sherman Street. Have you
ever looked?

Speaker 14 (31:51):
No, I've just I mean I've done a street search.
Is this office building? So it's hard to know?

Speaker 17 (31:57):
Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
All right, So that it's a home or something, I
don't like that idea. If it's a business, maybe.

Speaker 13 (32:05):
It's in office. It's I think it's a fourth story
office building, like twenty thirty offices there. I just like
to go over there.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (32:12):
I'm really happy that Dale Passeo County Sheriff stepped up
and actually took yes good and again again.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
If this guy's got cancer, just communicate, Although technically I'm
just gonna say this even if he has cancer, that
money was still to be taken in trust and should
not be used for anything. It's just the way it is.
That's the law, and there should be no reason for
him to use that money. We have more coming up
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We have a house full of experts on real estate
and lending, Mark, Who do we have? What do we
got going on here?

Speaker 5 (34:40):
John Clace's going to be the first one. He's our
expert when it comes to any kind of mortgage. Is
what I really loves effect that CMG Financial does reverse mortgages.
They do line of credits thirty or fifteen years. John,
you can pretty much do any term someone wants. Like
can I go to you and say, hey, I want
a ten year mortgage? Well, yeah, it really doesn't matter.

Speaker 11 (35:01):
Yes, we can.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
I love that.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
And then we have Stephanie Thomas real estate up in
the Pike's Peak regions, Suzanna and I have known Stephanie
my god coming on twenty five years. And then of
course Frank Duran, the real estate man Denver Metro area. Frank,
you go all the way down to like, will you
sell a home? And Elizabeth? Yes, yes, and I have
you have about Kaya? You would Kaya?

Speaker 7 (35:25):
We have sold in Kiowa and Mark I touched again
the furthest away you've sold.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
I don't care if it's in the mountains or in.

Speaker 7 (35:33):
Nebraska where Elizabeth Kiowa to the south, as far as
to the north, I went as far as Wow, Longmont.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
Long Mint, never for Collins, never known, not for com
and then Stephanie Pike's Peak region, you've probably sold where.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
I mean, I've gone as far west for fair Play. Yeah, definitely,
Cripple Creek, that's Teler County, Pueblo west north side of Pueblo.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
I've done some transactions.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
Out there, and you're selling Douglas County up absolutely Castle
Rock too, yep.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
And then how about Pueblo.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
Yeah, I was just saying the Pueblo West area and
that more please, They're kind of two different areas.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
Pueblo West like normal in the rest of Pueblo is
the crackhouse.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
I mean, really, what's the deal. I don't understand dying areas.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
They actually call themselves Pueblo West.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
So it is a different area. But a lot of
those properties out there have, you know, more substantially sized lots.
So I just sold one out there that was a
little over an acre. So it's kind of a different set,
a little more rural feeling versus Pueblo, right right.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
It's almost like it's almost like Denver to Highlands Ranch.
It would be Pueblo.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
I don't know West.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
We've got contractors and we've got HVAC and home services
people that will go to Pueblo West, but they won't
go to Pueblo.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Okay. Matthew started to talking about Facebook marketplace. In my opinion,
it should be called Scammer's marketplace. I swear to god,
I just can't believe how many ripoffs there are on
this Facebook marketplace. Matthew said he found a guy on

(37:18):
Facebook marketplace, what were you looking to have done?

Speaker 16 (37:23):
I was looking to have our car rewrap, so a
little bit different color on it.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah. By the way, those raps, they're very interesting. A
lot of people are considering them instead of paint jobs.
In fact, some people I know one guy who ordered
his car white on purpose so he could do a rap. Anyway,
what happened.

Speaker 16 (37:45):
I gave him a thousand dollars deposit on it. The
materials that he ordered was not what he said he
was going to order.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
So I told him, how was it not what he said?
What was wrong with it?

Speaker 16 (37:57):
It was a totally different brand. It was called the Cheetah,
and they're like the cheapest brand on the market.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
How do you know this though, I like, did he
say I'm gonna I'm going to order this and then
it came in differently? How did you put all this together?

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (38:12):
He told me he was going to order either three
M or a.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Company called Okay Okay.

Speaker 16 (38:18):
He gave me the link to the FedEx. So when
the material got delivered to his shop, I saw the
box said Cheetah. So I called him out on it.

Speaker 15 (38:27):
I said, you told me it was gonna well.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
And so and so when you saw he was cheating
you with Cheetah, what did you what did you know
about Cheetah. See, I wouldn't know the difference from anything
I'm buying a rap I wouldn't know where it's coming from.
When you saw it was from Cheetah, Why did you
assume Cheetah was bad?

Speaker 16 (38:46):
He had told me that. He told me the brands
he was using, and I mentioned Chetah and another brand, Vivid,
and he said, so those are the cheapest ones on
the market.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
You see, I'm just curious.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
Is he willing to wrap it but you want him
to use a different product?

Speaker 16 (39:03):
Yeah, he was going to wrap it, but he was
going to use the cheap stuff, which the thousand dollars
I gave him, he would have only had used part
of that to buy the wrap with the Cheetah brand,
But the other stuff was going to cost about nine
hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
How much was the total job going to cost? In general?
You made a thousand dollars depositive, but how much was
the total job?

Speaker 16 (39:24):
It was going to be another twelve hundred dollars, So
it was going to be twenty two hundred total.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Okay, And so where does this stand right now?

Speaker 16 (39:34):
He's all of his emails, all of his invoices that
he has sent me next messages, emails, phone calls, everything.
He said he was going to refund me the money,
but he kept giving me the run around, so we
finally agreed to meet.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Wait, so you guys, so you decided you didn't want
to do business with him at all?

Speaker 16 (39:53):
Correct? Because he started getting shoddy and vulgar conversation and stuff.
So I just said, you know what, I don't want
to do business with you. Give me my deposit back,
which he agreed in his emails and even his last
invoice he sent me customers waiting on the product to
be a return to manufacturer. And then he told me, okay,
I have the money back. Where do you want it?

(40:15):
A Venmo, PayPal anything like that, and he said he
couldn't get that to work digitously, so he said, just
meet at the police station. I'll just give you cash. Well,
he never showed up, so then I called Jefferson County Sheriff.
They went to his house where his shop is.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Well wait a minute, I'm really impressed. Why did they
go to his house? That's pretty damn impressive, that really is.

Speaker 16 (40:40):
Because he told me to come to his house and
he would give me the money. So after all that
had transpired. I didn't feel comfortable going to his house
just me and him, so they said, okay, we'll give
you a civil assist. So on the way there we
stopped at a parking lotch so they could get their information.
Come to find out, just a couple of months before this,

(41:00):
Jeff co was there to get someone's vehicle back because
he wouldn't give them their vehicle. He told them, you
owe me extra amount of money because it took me longer.
So you owe me five hundred dollars more or you
don't get your car back. So on that instance, Jeff
COO said, you know what, you're not the registered owner
getting the car, getting the keys in the car back,
or we have another issue.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
So did you get your money?

Speaker 16 (41:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Nope, and right now, so right now, this guy's got
to If we call this guy right now, would he say, listen,
I have the material, I'm willing to complete the job.
Is that how? What would he us?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (41:40):
I don't know what he would say, But I already
got the car wrap. I just got it back on Friday,
you know. But it's just I mean, he told me
customer unsatisfied will refunt thousand dollars upon deposit return from
the manufacturer on the on the wrap all that says
that in his invoice and everything. But he told Jeff
Noo County, Uh, tell me guy, I'll see him in court.

(42:03):
But they said he has two other court cases pending.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
That are for's. Okay, I guess we should. What's this
guy's name? We should put it out there.

Speaker 15 (42:13):
His name is Anthony York.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
York yep, okay, and he's you're saying he's bad news. Basically,
are you going to take him a small claimsquirt? I
don't mind calling him. I mean, we can have somebody
call him right now and say, look, man aad well okay, yeah,
by the way, what yeah, you're right. What is this company?

(42:38):
Name is Anthony York. What's the name of the company.

Speaker 16 (42:41):
It's called a MG Customs Protection? Okay protection vinyl?

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Wow, customs professional vinyl?

Speaker 7 (42:51):
Okay, nothing professional about him.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
Well, let's try to get him on the lord. Let's
have Kelly call him.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Maybe there's an entirely different side this, although I doubt it,
but let's see.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, all right, hold on, give it to Kelly. Kelly.
Let's see if this guy will come on and figure
out what the hell's going on. This is another example, folks,
another example of paying money upfront never a good idea.
If people don't have a line of credit where they
can literally order materials, don't do business with them. I

(43:27):
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no problems if people didn't pay money upfront. Money up
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(45:11):
two five five. Are we trying to get through to
this guy? We can't find anything online about him? And
then Mark was uh, Mark was checking on the Cheetah itself,
and I'm wondering if the guy is gonna say, look,
he didn't give me a chance. He canceled. And I
think Kelly might be talking to talk to yeah, tell
him to come on, man, We'll give him there.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
I know doub about it.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
I see, I mean, I don't see anything saying Cheetahs
like this big junk crap.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
But I mean, I don't know. I just I didn't
do a deep dive into it.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
I don't personally think I would ever get a rap
as opposed to a paint job. I look at it.
I like raps. They're kind of cool.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
You got your I remember your car being wrapped years ago.
You came out of here and it was all right.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Not by choice, not by choice. It was some jerk
that said thought he was going to play a joke
on me, but he didn't really realize. Is it's really
hard to get those things off. It's not like you
can just go peel them off. You have to hire
someone to do that. And man, what a pain that was. Yep,
it was crazy anyway. Three ozho three seven one three

(46:15):
talk seven one three eight two five five. I found
that one. I'm looking for it again. I found that
one that the guy wanted only a cryptocurrency for his house,
and I guess you can just ask for whatever you want.
I mean, you know, if you want crypto anyway, here's
what he says. His house, my neighbor just put it

(46:36):
up for sale. He says, as is cash and only
crypto only. So can he This guy wants to know,
can he really demand bitcoin instead of dollars? I guess
he can. I mean, you know, he can demand anything
he wants right a private By the way, I'm told
that title companies I looked it up are doing crypto

(47:00):
closings all the time. Most lenders, however, won't let a
buyer use it for a down payment because they're they're
they can't do an origination of funds. John, would you
care if people came in with crypto as their share
of the down payment?

Speaker 5 (47:22):
I don't think he's you're not set up to take
crypto through CMG. How would you like if someone came
in and literally said, hey, I want to get a loan,
but my down payment's going to be crypto.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
How would you guys get involved?

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Well, John, through, he's got to hit the button, hold.

Speaker 11 (47:43):
On so on the crypto.

Speaker 10 (47:45):
There's a lot of changes happening now because we used
to not even be able to use crypto for reserves,
but now we can give like fifty percent value for reserves.
But for down payment, we would make them cash out
their crypto.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, okay, yeah, basically cash it out and play in
US pay and US tender. But as far as far
as qualifying for cash and when they want bank account information,
do you guys accept crypto wallets as proof of assets
if they if they want.

Speaker 10 (48:14):
To shows But the swing so much that we only
give fifty credit real that they have as far as reserves,
because it's all pretty new, So that's that's kind of
why it's all happening like that. But it's like for
one K we can give you a full credit for
reserves crypto wallet, we'd have to cut it in half.

Speaker 11 (48:35):
Give me credit.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Okay. Somebody wants to know if they have a rental,
do you guys take into consideration their rental income or
does it all count against them when they're qualifying for
a loan.

Speaker 10 (48:49):
Oh no, we we we do it. And a lot
of it depends. So if you're if you if your
rental income has been over a year and it's on
your on the taxes, we will go off what the
taxes you're you know, because you're going to add back
in take stuff out. But depends on that, so we'll
go off what the tax number is. But say you
just bought a rental, we actually will do a You

(49:12):
can either do a lease or what they call it
ten oh seven, and we give you credit for whatever
market rents is to offset that that di in commercio.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah, okay, all right, so it does count, yes, all right?
And on real estate in Colorado Springs. Someone wants to know,
is it a good I can almost answer this, is
it a good rental market? Stephanie. I don't know if
they're talking from a landlord point of view. I think
that's what they're talking about because it came in the

(49:44):
context of Vesta Turnkey and they said, we want to
know about Colorado Springs. They know that the Denver metro
area is almost impossible to be a landlord nowadays. I mean,
it's ridiculous. How is the Colorado Springs area as far
as being a landlord? Do you know, are people looking

(50:05):
for investment properties?

Speaker 8 (50:06):
Well, I'm not a property manager by any means, so
I can I can just kind of share what I
do know. Colorado spring is going to be subject to
the same type of rules and rags as Denver, you know,
just being in the same area, right, right, right?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
But what about the what about the deals though? I mean,
is it even do people even look for investment property anymore?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
There?

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I mean, if I was looking for investment property, and
I have been, I went through Vesta Turnkey, and I
went remote to other states. I mean Denver is and
Colorado Springs. Woitn'ess they're in the same boat that way.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Well.

Speaker 8 (50:39):
Our average sales price in Colorado Springs is a little
over five hundred thousand so financially less than the market.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
Hey, we got the we got the owner. I think
it's the owner. Let me look here, next level owner
wrapped Matthew's car.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
You want to let's.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Get him up? Absolutely, go ahead, Mark, Who do we got?
Anthony York?

Speaker 6 (51:02):
Lock him in, Anthony? What's going on?

Speaker 15 (51:06):
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (51:07):
We're good at Anthony, gohead listen, man, I just wanted
to recap real quick. Matthew. I don't know if you know.
The guy says that he found you and is the
name of your company next Level or is it AMG
It's both okay. Anyway, he said that, you know, he
put a thousand dollars deposit down. He doesn't want the material.

(51:30):
He didn't want you to do it with Cheetah, and
you've promised him money back and he hasn't seen any
money back. Mm hmm.

Speaker 15 (51:39):
So this is a process. So one the police officers.
I had to involve Jefferson County Police Department with this situation. So, yes,
he wanted to use Avery and Cheetah, which are the
same their same business. So he saw the box on
the Cheetah box, Yeah, because he had the delivery notifications

(52:00):
and he saw that I didn't try to hide it.
The box says Cheatah on it. The wrap is avery.
I tried to explain that to him, Hey, it's the
same thing. We're going to do this sat in black
and everything's going to be fine. He didn't want to
use because it was in the cheetahbox. Okay, So then
he said, well, just refund me. Well, it takes a while,

(52:22):
so I have to send the box back. I had
to pay to get it shipped back, which was one
hundred and fourteen dollars. I had to pay to get
it sent back, and then they refunded me. So then
he waited for that. They refunded me. Then I because
he had already called the police twice to come to
my place of residence.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I didn't why why did he call the police? Why
why did he think he was going to have trouble? Anthony?
Why did he call police? Do you think?

Speaker 15 (52:52):
Well, well, when the police got here, I talked to them. Also,
we don't really know why he called the police. I
can only go by I hate to say it, but
I can only go by the way I look. And
I'm a black man, and I live in Littleton Community,
so I can see sometime and I'm a bigger guy.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Okay, yell at him.

Speaker 15 (53:15):
Everything's on camera. Everything's on camera. Everything is fine. I
didn't yell at him. I just spoke to him, and
he decided on his own that he was going to
involve Jefferson County twice, and they an out said, we
don't know why we're here, but we're on a civil standby.
So I elected to give when the money came back,
I elected to give Jefferson County the money to give

(53:36):
to him, and he received the money, which, oh wait,
one hundred and sixty dollars.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
He got his money back.

Speaker 15 (53:44):
Yeah, that's what I was trying to tell whoever called
me on the beginning. I was, yeah, because you said
I wrapped his car. Never wrapped his car.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
We just no, no, no, no, no, we knew you didn't wrap
it the way he told the story that he said
he wanted either he wanted certain makes and he didn't
want to cheat a brand in any case. He said
that then you returned that, you returned it, and we're
supposed to give him a refund. And Mark, am I

(54:12):
wrong or did he say he didn't get his money back?

Speaker 5 (54:15):
I thought that was the entire premise, But let's ask him.
That's easy enough.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
He's up.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Oh is he? Matthew? Did you get your money back?
He said, he refunded it.

Speaker 16 (54:28):
No, I have not. He told Jefferson the last time
we were there, take him to court. And if you
give money to Jefferson County, they will not take money
from a person and hold it and give it to
someone else. I mean, let's use our brains. People.

Speaker 13 (54:41):
They do not do that.

Speaker 16 (54:42):
They're not a bank, they're not a transaction company. So
what he's saying is lying.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
They would meant Anthony, you wouldn't even do that.

Speaker 13 (54:51):
Come on, Anthony, Yes, Anthony gave them the money.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Do you have a canceled check or something from Matthew?

Speaker 15 (54:59):
No, I do not have a canceled check, but I
do have a video. Her name is that. Her first
name is Tiffany, and her last name is Give me
one second.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, keep going. I mean,
we you don't have to do that. So this Tiffany
was with the Sheriff's department.

Speaker 15 (55:16):
Yes, Tiffany. I don't know her last name yet, but
she's with the sheriff department. And when he called her
out here, that's who I gave the money to because
he didn't want me in.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
What form did you give the money in?

Speaker 16 (55:27):
No?

Speaker 15 (55:28):
No, no, it was it was cash, and it was
on video. But on video, that's.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
Just the video. This isn't this isn't brain surgery.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
He says, well, yeah, but Mark, Mark, how do we
know the cash? I mean, he handed something to her.
Was this cash in an envelope? Eight hundred and fifty dollars?

Speaker 6 (55:47):
Let's just call Tiffany that.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
She was not.

Speaker 15 (55:50):
She made me count it out because she's wearing a
body can, so it was not. And then I said
to her, you're going to have a problem with him
because it's only eight hundred and sixty because I used
the rest of the money for sure, right, I get it.
And she said, okay, I will give this to him
to keep him from.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
So are we Basically I hear what you're saying, Anthony,
Just so you know, we hear exactly what you're saying.
You're saying that when the Sheriff's department came to talk
to you about it, you literally counted out eight hundred
and fifty or eight hundred and sixty dollars in cash
and gave it to a deputy.

Speaker 15 (56:27):
Yes, gave it to the deputy which was on standby
because he was around the corner. I guess, I guess
they met at around the corner. Obviously he can't come
here because I had trust wow at that point, just
because it was kind of weird he was, I don't
want to say anyway, So I gave it to the deputy.
The deputy was the close to give it to him,
and then she did follow up on with the call,

(56:49):
and all my polls were recorded, so she did follow
up and say that she received the money, and I
wanted to go through and get it and then go
ahead and get a restraining order. So as you can see,
I'm trying to serve him restraining order just to leave
me alone because my family.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Was was was Tiffany. Was Tiffany the one that accompanied him.
Did she have a partner with him with her?

Speaker 15 (57:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (57:13):
There was two.

Speaker 15 (57:14):
There was two female officers. One I believe there was
only so he called it.

Speaker 16 (57:19):
He called him.

Speaker 15 (57:20):
Over here three times. So the one the first time
that he called him over those were those were two
males and then they called back up. So there was
like three police cars here the first time, but the
very last part was two female officers. Correct, Yes, gosh,
I only engaged it with one. I only engaged with one.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
And she would have that on her body cam. So
are you if he didn't, Well, Matthew living, you didn't
get any money. So Anthony, let me ask you something
to be proof.

Speaker 16 (57:52):
Where is your proof that you gave them that Jefferson
County Sheriff. They are not bankers, they are not courts.
They do not receive money.

Speaker 15 (57:59):
That would never do that.

Speaker 16 (58:00):
Anton, You are right, who are you trying to view?

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Are right?

Speaker 15 (58:02):
They're not? They are not dangers that they were on
a rgal stand live.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Just hold on, Matthew, go ahead. They were on civil assists.

Speaker 15 (58:13):
Yes, they were on civil assist. So on a civil assist,
just like if you had a wife or whatever. She said,
the computer, they can take a computer, Well, obviously I
would give the computer to the officer and they would
give it to the person outside.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Because well, Matthew, do you think he's flat out lying?
I mean, I mean this would be a pretty weird
lie to give it. All we have to do is
call Tiffany and ask.

Speaker 16 (58:37):
Yes, he's that is just a flat out lie.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Do you, Anthony, do you think would do this? I
don't know. I really don't know, Anthony. Do you think, Anthony,
do you think Matthew's lying? Do you think Matthew really
got the money? What is your feeling on this? This
is weird. I just need to know what is your
gut feeling, Anthony.

Speaker 16 (58:56):
I don't.

Speaker 15 (58:57):
I'm the person that doesn't. I don't like the call
people liars. So all I can do is tell you
that what what I did and what the officer did,
and it can be, like you said, easily refer to
I believe he has a case number.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
We just got to call this officer and I got
to be honest. This guy, I'm believing him or he
is his sociopath. In my opinion, he's either that good
at lying, which very well could happen.

Speaker 6 (59:24):
He doesn't sound like that.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
He doesn't sound like he's lying to me. But where
did the money go? I mean, let's ask Tiffany exactly.
And by the way, now now we will need our
last name off the air, of course. Okay, Anthony, hold on,
and let's get let's get the last name. Hold on, Okay, everyone,

(59:49):
hold on? Wow. Mark put up a poll on YouTube.
What do people think do you think he's is this
guy that good at lying. He said he literally counted
out eight hundred and sixty dollars in cash to Deputy Tiffany.
Let's get Tiffany's last name and let's figure it out.
Because what Matthew was saying is he didn't get it.

(01:00:12):
Anthony's saying he gave it to the deputy. So did
the deputy take eight hundred and sixty dollars?

Speaker 6 (01:00:19):
I mean, well, I'll tell you this.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
If we say, if the deputy actually denies it, I'm
not gonna then I think Anthony's full of crap.

Speaker 19 (01:00:29):
Hey, guys, I don't think there's any need for denials
or admissions because Anthony said the whole thing is on video. Yeah,
on the body like either Anthony recorded a video in
addition to Tiffany's body cam.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Ask him is he is he saying the video is
just in a bodycam because we're never going to get that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Anthony, did you get well, if she's accused of Kelly
talking to him, all right, let's find out. We'll take
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(01:01:56):
Tom Martino and okay, we have a problem here where
I mean diametrically opposed versions and I'll recap it if
you're just tuning in. Matthew said he went to Facebook
Marketplace and found Anthony Yorke, the owner of AMG Customs
Professional Vinyl, and he paid one thousand dollars to order material.

(01:02:21):
The material came in and it wasn't he said, this
is what Matthew said. It wasn't three M or avery.
He said it was cheetah, which is inferior. Matthew wants
his money back now. Anthony said he paid eight hundred
and sixty dollars in cash to a deputy Tiffany, who

(01:02:44):
was there for a civil assist, and he refunded the money.
And he's saying that he made the refund flat out
made a statement on the air. He made he literally
paid it to Tiffany and who is a deputy there
on civil assist. Matthew says, it's crazy. I never got

(01:03:06):
the money and I was there that day, and he
is also saying Matthew is also saying that a sheriff's
deputy wouldn't accept money anyway and to give to somebody.
So it's either yes or no. Did he pay or not? Anthony,

(01:03:27):
you're saying, now you did have Tiffany. If we can
just talk to Tiffany. You said you had her last
name and I didn't want to give it on the air.
Do you have her last name?

Speaker 15 (01:03:38):
So while you were on hold, like again, I record
all my phone calls and I have the message of
Tiffany calling me saying that she's trying to get a
hold of me for a civil desist. And she only
says Tiffany on the message, and I'm not home to
have my card. She gave me a business card, but
I do, and.

Speaker 13 (01:03:56):
I know you're on the air.

Speaker 15 (01:03:57):
Of course, Okay, I do have video footage. I do
have video footage. But I also told he's the one
that set up the civil assists, meaning that you have
to talk to the police. To do a civil assist,
you have to meet with them, and then they come
to the house, which they came to my house. He
would have most of the information I literally talked to
Tiffany for when she came to the door. I literally

(01:04:19):
talked to her for thirty five seconds and she I said, yeah,
I know what he's here for. She said, he says
you owe a thousand dollars, And what I had said was,
here's eight sixty the rest he could see me in court.
I did say that to her, so he's kind of God,
he's kind of got that right and wrong. And then
I watched her because he was parked across the street

(01:04:40):
yelling his cars are here, there's his cars, And that's
on video too. They walk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
So you you do have video? Your video would be good?
You have video of your own?

Speaker 16 (01:04:51):
Yeah, yes, I have that us right now.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
We can look at it over the break.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
That'll send it to us. We would we would love
to see it.

Speaker 15 (01:05:00):
By the way, do you guys got you know?

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Yeah, hold on a second. Kashena talked to him. Kashina
talked to him. Matthew, you were there that day when
Tiffany showed up. Do you have any idea the day
he's talking about right, yes, yep. And you're saying Tiffany
came back to you, What did she say to you?

Speaker 13 (01:05:23):
She didn't even come all the way over my vehicle.

Speaker 16 (01:05:25):
We were at the in the driveway. I said, can
I take pictures of his plates in case he ever
comes by my house or does anything? That was irrelevant,
But that's that's when she then told me they've been
to his house before for this same instance on him
owing someone Monday money, and that would be on her
body cam also and an also civil assist that address.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
So they but she never said to you that she
had cash. Kelly.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Kelly's talking to Anthony, so he can't hear me offline
right now. But this whole thing seems crooked.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
This is my opinion, but I think this guy might
be one of the best liars we've dealt with. I mean,
this is just I hope to God that video show something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Sure well, listen, Matthew says he's gonna let us see
the video. He sounds adamant about this. I do have
to take this break. Let's figure it out, because if
we get the video, we're gonna show it online. I'm
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five five. Wow, when we you know? When was the
last time we had two people totally telling separate stories,

(01:07:12):
completely separate stories, and one says I can prove it,
the other one says, never happened. So where are we
right now in this Uh? She's been talking to him.
Did we get the video? Mark?

Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
No, I don't think so, Kelly. Is he working on
getting that video?

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
I think she's still talking to him off air?

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
So I think what we do, I'm gonna put them
both on hold.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
I'm hoping that caller will hang tight until we get
this video.

Speaker 6 (01:07:37):
I mean, it's it's absolutely nuts. Tom. I I'm dying
to see this video.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
In fact, I'll put it up on our YouTube station
if we ever get it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:47):
Now, let me ask you this, though, Do you think
we're going to get the video?

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
You know what? Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:07:54):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
Okay, So Kelly, you think we're going to get it?

Speaker 20 (01:07:57):
Five minutes?

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
Five minutes?

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Listen. Like you said, Mark, this guy's either a sociopath
or he's telling the truth. But then why would Matthew.
I don't think Matthew got the money. I think they're
both telling the truth. I don't think the CoP's going
to be at fault either. If that's where this is
going to go. That would be really strange. Wow, that
would be the only thing you could surmise from this,

(01:08:23):
right if he said he gave it to her, Why
don't we have Dmitri?

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
Would you call down and see if you can't leave
a message for Sherry whatever her name is or Tiffany.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Okay, maybe what we'll do is we get her last name.
He has her last name somewhere, Dimitri can leave a message. Yeah,
he'll do it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
Or maybe we could.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
Just get a description of her, like you know how
Drew gives descriptions of people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Yeah, and we'll figure out what we're talking about, he said.
Anthony Yorke said he did pay the deputy. He counted
out eight hundred and sixty dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
This is gonna be a good one for the bread people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
The deputy took it and said he would pay. She
would give it to Matthew. Matthew said, I never got
a dime. Anthony says, I have video. Plus there was
a you know, bodycam as well. We're going to investigate
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Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Hello, I'm Tom Martino here with the gang. We got
a lot of people in on the show. Right with
me at Cassa Studio, my home. I have Deputy d
sitting in and uh, we'll go to the mothership. Mark,
what do you got going on? Major? Mark? Major?

Speaker 21 (01:10:37):
Hey, Tommy, Mark and Frank stepped out for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
All right, So we have in the studio Frank Duran,
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the Pike's Peak area, the Colorado Springs area, Stephanieri dot com,
and we have John Clace from Partner in Lending dot

(01:11:00):
which is CMG Financial. CMG a mortgage banker, and we're
talking about property and we're talking about all kinds of stuff,
and this came up. Matthew said, I went to Facebook
marketplace to have my car wrapped, basically, and I paid
the guy up front a thousand bucks and he was

(01:11:20):
supposed to order the material and he did, but when
the material came in, it was not as promised. According
to Matthew, the material was supposed to be three M
or Avery, but when the material for the rap came in,
it was Cheetah. Now, Anthony, the one who was paid

(01:11:42):
to do the rap or to order the material, said
it actually was Avery. Avery and Cheetah are the same company,
and it came in a Cheetah box, but the actual
rap was Avery. Now all of this doesn't matter because
the bottom line is this. Matthew said, I want to
cancel the contract, send the stuff back. I don't want

(01:12:06):
to do it. Anthony claims he did send it back,
but he will not give the full one thousand dollars refund.
He was going to give eight hundred and sixty dollars
because he used the rest for shipping costs, so he
will refund all but the shipping costs. But Matthew said,

(01:12:26):
I never got my money. Anthony said, oh, he called
deputies to come to civil assist. By the way, what
a civil assist is is this. If you believe you're
going to have trouble transacting business, a refund or whatever,
you can ask sheriff's deputies or police to stand by

(01:12:50):
just to make sure that nothing happens that you know. Adversely,
so if you think you're going to have trouble, you
ask for a civil assist. Matthew asked for a civil
assist and two deputies. Both Matthew and Anthony agreed. There
were two female deputies that showed up. One of them

(01:13:11):
was named Tiffany. Anthony said that Tiffany was talking to him,
and Anthony said, look, I'll give the refund and counted
out eight hundred and sixty dollars in cash to pay
to Tiffany and told Tiffany or asked Tiffany to give
it to Matthew. Anthony swears that he counted it out

(01:13:35):
and her it's probably on her body cam and he
said he even has video and he gave it to
the deputy. Matthew said, I never got any money from
that deputy, and that's where it stands. We then asked
Anthony if we could look at the video that he took.

(01:13:55):
So on a side note, counting out money on a
video is a difficult task. I don't know how he
did it, but he said he did it. So where
do we stand, Kachina. Do we have the video? Did
he send it to us?

Speaker 22 (01:14:11):
She's on the other line with them, right, I'm.

Speaker 21 (01:14:12):
Tom, I'm looking at the emails. As of now, we
don't have a video. We do have a screenshot, you
know how on your voicemail on your phone, Tom, you
can read your voicemail. Yeah, so we have a screenshot
and this is what it says. It's short and it's
from Deputy Kelly. I assume that's who he is saying

(01:14:35):
has the money.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Well, he said it was Tiffany, but it could be Kelly.
It doesn't matter. Go ahead, Okay. It's from an unknown number.

Speaker 21 (01:14:42):
It's from November six and it says, hey, whoever this
voicemail is addressed to has been blacked out. It's Deputy
Kelly with the jeff Co Sheriff Office.

Speaker 6 (01:14:51):
Just a couple questions for you.

Speaker 21 (01:14:52):
You're not in trouble or anything. I'll call you back
in a few minutes from a block.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Number and no caller idea.

Speaker 21 (01:14:58):
If you go ahead and answer that, that'd be great. Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:15:00):
That's all we have so far.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Yeah, because Anthony said they contacted him and said they
would be assisting Matthew. Matthew, what do you think is
going on? Matthew? Do you think we're gonna see video
of this?

Speaker 16 (01:15:15):
Absolutely not. I looked it up and first at you.
I have a friend that there was a sheriff and
he said they are not allowed to take money unless
it is court ordered orbat them.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Look, but if if they're there, Matthew, if they're there,
was there a time when you went there with them
that they walked over to talk to him and you
weren't privy to that conversation.

Speaker 16 (01:15:39):
No, I was across the street the whole time, and
he said all this took place.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Wait, okay, you were across the street. You were across
the street. Did you see two female deputies talk to him? Yes, okay,
you were across the street. Did you see, matth did
you see Anthony hand the deputies anything?

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
No, sir.

Speaker 16 (01:16:01):
As a matter of fact, he kept his hands in
his pockets of his hoodie the whole time. And if
he's so called has video over this, that's what it'll show.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Matthew. Do you think that Anthony is just flat out
lying on the air in front of God and everyone?

Speaker 16 (01:16:18):
Absolutely, even this other sheriff. If you ever get a
hold of her, she will tell you they've been to
his house multiple times for this same issue.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
And Tom John Clace made a good point.

Speaker 21 (01:16:29):
Kelly is probably Tiffany's last name, Deputy Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Okay, Kelly Okay probably her last name. Well, I want
to talk to Anthony. I want to be fair to Anthony. Listen,
he was willing to come on the air. So Anthony,
you swear that you counted out eight hundred and sixty
dollars and asked this deputy to give it to Matthew.

Speaker 15 (01:16:59):
I didn't like particularly ask her. She came up to
the door and said, hey, I'm on a civil assist.
That's what I was calling you about. Because the reason
why she left the message is because I don't answer
private call. So okay, she left the message and then
maybe ten minutes later I can see that. So what
they do is they show up on the side of
your house and then they show up on the front
of your house, right, you know, two vehicles, so I
see them. I don't keep I would no better to

(01:17:22):
keep my hands in my hoodie when I'm talking to
a police officer. I just explained to you that I'm black.
We don't do that in my culture. We know better. Okay, okay,
I let them say I say you, let them say
what they're here for. And they're say, hey, we're on
a civil fan by Matthew. You were supposed to meet
Matthew Bain at because I wanted to meet him at
the police station. That's where we were actually supposed to meet,

(01:17:43):
because I want him away from my house. I couldn't
be at the police station at the time. I was
going to meet him at jeff Co Police stations, but
I couldn't make it at that time because I had
a client. Oh, I just found the video, Thank goodness.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
Oh Anthony, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Wait wait, wait wait, he said he just found the video,
so keep let him continue. And then and then Mark
asked your questions, Well, go ahead and related to the video.
Go ahead, then what were you going to say, Mark.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
Where's the video? That's what he just said.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
He just said he found it.

Speaker 15 (01:18:10):
I got it.

Speaker 9 (01:18:11):
It just took me.

Speaker 15 (01:18:12):
Look, I just look.

Speaker 6 (01:18:13):
No, it's good man. I appreciate that someone just sent
me this. Right now, let's do this. Let's hold on, hold.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
On, Anthony, I really I am on your side here, Hey, Kelly,
let's get that video now and then the meantimetime, let's
hop to another one. Then when we get the video,
we can jump back.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Okay, Jim, you have a question about intellectual property. Welcome
to the show. What's going on, Jim? Jim? Jim? Yeah, Jimmy,
what's going on? Jim? How do we help you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Bro?

Speaker 12 (01:18:47):
I should real quick, I should have looked on your website.
But do you have any recommendations for people that are
doing apps and then they want to see an attorney
to make sure they're legal?

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
We Yeah, we did have one that was really good
for a long time, but he stopped doing business in
Colorado recently and he's concentrating. But I would still call him.
He might have a recommendation, or he might be able
to give you a recommendation.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
When it comes to intellectual property. He can still do
stuff here. He's just not really advertising much here, right,
that's all federal laws, so he can basically do it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Sure, yeah, sure, and he's a good guy. His name
is Mark Trennor.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
Can I warn you though, Let me you on something
nothing to do with intellectual property. But man, it costs
so much to develop an app. You know, I blow
your mind away. In fact, let me make you think
of one thing. Every single time iOS or whatever operating
system the phone is on upgrades, you got to go

(01:19:54):
back and redo everything.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Really got you? Well, you can't just resubmit it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
Mark, Yeah, well yes, you got to have your engineers
go back fix it for the new iOS and then
resubmit it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Yes, yeah, yeah, the app is done. What what what
does the app do? What does it do? Do?

Speaker 6 (01:20:15):
Tell?

Speaker 19 (01:20:15):
Do?

Speaker 11 (01:20:15):
Tell?

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Or is it something you can't speak of?

Speaker 12 (01:20:20):
It's a it's a it's it's for a lot of
people that can chat on the app, that can chat nobody.

Speaker 6 (01:20:28):
Wow, that's never been thought of.

Speaker 12 (01:20:30):
Well yeah, well no it has. It has, of course
it has. But this is unique. And that's all I
can say.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
You know, it's I don't I don't have Trenor's number.
I don't have Trenor's number in front of it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
But it's a lot different, seriously than all the other
stuff out there.

Speaker 12 (01:20:45):
Yes, I think so, yes, boy, you.

Speaker 6 (01:20:47):
Got me interested. I wonder what it is?

Speaker 16 (01:20:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Right, So so what do you what exactly on an app?
Isn't it a copyright? Isn't it a copy? Right?

Speaker 16 (01:21:00):
Well, those are all the things you got to You
got to do a copyright.

Speaker 12 (01:21:03):
You cover your intellectual property. You got to cover yourself
for you know, lawsuits. You know somebody's chit chatting about this.
You know you're not respond There's a lot of things there.
You would think that no big deal, but you should
talk to people.

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
Copy the copyright, I think is almost like a Booker song.

Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
I think it's a medium.

Speaker 12 (01:21:25):
And that's the and that's the simpler stuff and the
intellectual property in terms of what you do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
You know, you don't actually you don't actually get a
patent though on it. You don't actually get a patent
on it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:35):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 12 (01:21:38):
But it's important. It's important to talk to somebody who
does this, who has done it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Let's see we can get let hey, let's see if
we can get Mark Trenner on the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
What you know?

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
You? You know you called in? We should we owe
you that. Let's let's get him on the phone. He
might have a recommendation for you. Okay, so hang on
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Tom Martine here, I just don't understand. Anthony said, we

(01:23:18):
were going to see a video of him counting out
the money to this deputy. And what did he send?
What exactly did he send to us?

Speaker 20 (01:23:30):
So we have an audio file, but he just sent
me something else. But it looks like more of a
text response or some sort of text exchange.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
So on, Well, where's the video? He said he found video? Anthony?
Any video yet, Anthony, you said you had video.

Speaker 15 (01:23:49):
I think the video it's in a that's not a
text you. That's a link. That's a vivid camera, a
vivid camera link. That's what you got. You got to
push on that to see the video.

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Wait, wait, we got something. Hold on all right, yeah,
I sent you to hold on. We're watching the video.
I gotta watch it. Talk to somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Okay, Jim. By the way, we can't get a hold
of Mark Trennor. He's not available. You wanted to ask
about intellectual property developing your app. We'll give you his number.
You can call him off the air. But we can't
get him on the air right now. All right, So
I'm not sure what his app does, but he says
it is unique, it's developed, and he now wants to

(01:24:32):
protect it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
This is video of two officers, it appears leaving his
house or leaving somewhere. That's it. There's no counting out money.
I don't understand what's going on here, Anthony. What is
this video showing us?

Speaker 13 (01:24:49):
Okay?

Speaker 15 (01:24:50):
So unfortunately, so you see them leaving. Yeah, so you
see how my house is constructed. My door kind of
goes in and I was hoping and I got to
remember good at my door. So unfortunately my camera didn't
get me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Give me.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
But that's not what you said before. You said you
had video of them counting out the money. Honestly, you
sound like you're lying off your ass. Just that's my opinion.
I don't know what to say. You're you gonna give
this guy the money back? Or what are you gonna
do at this point?

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Bro?

Speaker 6 (01:25:20):
Did you not just yeah, I just watched the video.

Speaker 5 (01:25:24):
I just watched the video of two people in the
dark leaving your house. There's no counting money. There's nothing
like that.

Speaker 15 (01:25:32):
By the way, they give the money to him, you
gotta listen being so angry.

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
Stop being angry. We've been chasing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
We're just trying to figure an opposite.

Speaker 6 (01:25:44):
Of what you said. You said you had a video.
Let's go back. If you want me to pull the audio,
I will. For God's sake.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
You said I've got video of counting out the money
to this lady.

Speaker 16 (01:25:55):
And I thog I did.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Okay, Now what does the video you said? There is
a video though, that shows them giving.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
You a watch you know what, let's take We're due
for a break, like right, yeah, hold on before you
say anything case okay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
But the question is, or the question is he did.

Speaker 6 (01:26:15):
Just say, is what the hell's going on here?

Speaker 5 (01:26:17):
The question is simply this, are you going to give
the guy the money back? But Tom, you know what,
you could look at this video way different than me.
I really want you to look at it before.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
We want to No, I get it, But I wanted
to ask Anthony what he was talking about. He said
that video shows them handing him something, So are you
saying the video shows them?

Speaker 15 (01:26:41):
Unfortunately, the video shows my driveway, the driveway and his
truck when they're rolling up. I thought I was going
to get him on the corner where my house is
that much.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
So you don't so you don't have video. The bottom
line is you don't have video.

Speaker 15 (01:26:56):
But I do have video of them going to him
and handing the money. That's why.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Where's that video? Is that the video that you sent
to walking?

Speaker 15 (01:27:06):
That's his three Yes, that's his truck. That white truck
that they're walking to. The two Mercedes are mine. That's
my driveway. And then you'll go to see the officers
walk to him in that big white truck of his.
That's him in front of my house. That's what they're
walking to him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Mark.

Speaker 6 (01:27:20):
Do you see then, Tom, you just got to see
the video?

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(01:28:13):
troubleshooter three all three seven to one three talk seven
one three eight two five five. So the video that
we have is video taken at night. You can see
Anthony's two cars in the driveway. You see in the
distance a pickup truck parked with a guy standing in
front of it. That's Matthew. You see two deputies walking

(01:28:37):
in frame down the driveway over to Matthew. You see
nothing in their hands, You see them handing him nothing.
You can see nothing. This video shows nothing. It shows
two deputies walking from the home over to him and Matthew.
He is saying, that is when you were handed the money.

(01:29:00):
Absolutely not no way.

Speaker 16 (01:29:03):
And it would be so if I pulled the police
report and the assist, it would also be in there
that they received.

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
Money from him, And of course it would.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
And do you have the police report.

Speaker 16 (01:29:15):
No, I didn't know all this was going to transpire.

Speaker 6 (01:29:17):
And tell you, guys, here's.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
What we'd like to do. We'd like you and and
deputy d can talk to you off the air. Since
he's requested bodycam footage before, we would like for you,
since you were involved, to call and ask for that
bodycam footage and tell them, tell them that Anthony is
claiming he paid the deputy in cash, and that he

(01:29:40):
is claiming that you know he paid them, and so
you want the bodycam footage. Indeed, do you really believe
they will share that with him?

Speaker 19 (01:29:50):
Yeah, they're they're required to. Yeah, they're required to, so
they won't. In my experience, the police department always refuses
to provide footage that was in somebody's house. But outside,
I've always they've never They've never denied me that it.
Denver charged me twenty five bucks per video, and it
was a very easy, quick process. I had the videos

(01:30:10):
within a couple of days.

Speaker 16 (01:30:12):
Gotcha.

Speaker 19 (01:30:13):
So Anthony, I'll talk to you off the air. If
you give Kelly your phone number, I'll give you a
shout and we'll talk about it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
Why would get why would this guy call up? Why
would Matthew call up in a million years and tell
this tale? And then this guy comes on Anthony and
we'll pull him back up in a second. But then
Anthony comes on, says, we've got this video. I'm actually
counting the money out. Then he sends us two audio
files that are like absolutely nothing to do with anything,

(01:30:43):
and then a video where it's supposed to show them
counting the money out but doesn't. And then all of
a sudden, he didn't know where his camera was and
he thought his camera would get somewhere else where.

Speaker 6 (01:30:54):
It wasn't. None of this makes sense to me, not
one bit.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
He said it was a home security video. It was
vivid too, he said, his vivid camera. Yeah, and it
doesn't show. In fact, I tried to look at their
hands as they're walking away, and either body cam footage
would work because there were two deputies there and Anthony.

(01:31:19):
I don't know if Anthony's having a good time playing
us all or if he really truly believes he counted
out that money to that deputy and that deputy must
have kept it. Anthony, you think the deputy kept the money.

Speaker 15 (01:31:34):
No, I don't think the deputy kept the money at all.
And I put in a call for service, so just
be careful how you guys frame me. I put in
a call for service because it's my house. And according
to the deputy the person I talked to over at
jeff Co. Since it is my address, I guess I
can go over there today and get that along with
the case number because it's my house. And then I
also sent you. I also sent you an audio foutle

(01:31:58):
file of Aurora calling me after he left at two
o'clock in the morning, saying that I was threatening him.
So you guys don't know who this guy is. He
is literally a stalker. But I'm gonna go get this body, camera, footage,
whatever I need to get, and I'll get her full name,
because again it's my house. She's not on until two o'clock.

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
They said, God, he sounds so convincing. I know, it's incredible. Actually,
I am.

Speaker 22 (01:32:23):
I found I wouldn't you be a little bit of
a stalker if you were at X amount of thousands
of dollars trying to get your money from somebody?

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Well, yeah, I just I just find it. No, no,
he said that Matthew might appear to be a stalker
because he's trying to get his money back.

Speaker 15 (01:32:41):
No, no, no, no, I have a place of business.
He came to my house three times. I have three
little daughters here.

Speaker 6 (01:32:47):
That is a little weird. I'll give Anthony it's messed up.

Speaker 11 (01:32:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
In fact, Matthew, just out of curiosity, why didn't you
just handle it at his shop instead of going to
his house three times?

Speaker 16 (01:32:58):
That's the thing. He does the business out of his house.
In Colorado statue. If you run a business out of
your house, this is FYI, Anthony, I can put a
lean on your house, but just keep that in mind.

Speaker 6 (01:33:09):
Also, you're saying he doesn't even have a shop.

Speaker 16 (01:33:12):
No, he works out of his freaking garage.

Speaker 6 (01:33:14):
So wait a minute, Anthony, do you have a shop?

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Now?

Speaker 15 (01:33:18):
That part is not true. So when I first talked
to him, I told him taking his Carson ships because
there's your shop.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
Yeah, Anthony, where is your shop? This one's really put
a bonus out there for your hold on.

Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
Matthew, I'm putting you on hold.

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
I just Anthony, where is your shops?

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
All night?

Speaker 15 (01:33:36):
I worked out of ninety seconds? And excuse me, Watterworth Boulevard, Well.

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
I mean, what's the address of it.

Speaker 15 (01:33:44):
I don't want to give the address. What everybody's saying
all this, I just want you guys to get the
body cam there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
Yeah, I do want to get the bodycam footage.

Speaker 15 (01:33:52):
Because what this is about is did he get paid?
Did that officer give him the money? I believe that
officer gave me the gave him the money. And the
reason again, the reason why I acted how I acted
with him and I wouldn't contact him anymore after that,
is because they came to my house three times. That's it. Okay,
that's it. So once I get the body camera and
unfortunately you called me where you know I'm not. It's

(01:34:13):
not a blind side because she let me know what
was going on. But I can't get everything in like
the twenty minutes that y'all needed on your show. So
it's gonna be one of those things where I can
get it before he can get it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
And no, we're going to revisit. We're going to revisit this.
I mean as soon as you can get it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:29):
I mean, I think we hear from you again. I
I honestly, I hope.

Speaker 15 (01:34:33):
So I think I can get it today. I honestly, Oh,
I'm gonna get it. See that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
Well, we're listen, man, We've been here forty five years,
so we'll be here tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:34:42):
I assure you, Tom.

Speaker 15 (01:34:44):
You've been here since I moved here. So I already know.
But okay, what was I gonna say? So what I'm
saying is it just you'll see. There's nothing like to
say I'm sorry that I didn't have the angle that
I thought that I would get. But the reason why
I sent that to you was the show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Yeah, but it doesn't matter. If they were there. They
did do a civil assist. They did go from your
house over to him to talk to him. Now, if
the bodycam shows you counting out money, I mean that
body cam's got to be able to show a lot
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
But if it doesn't, it will. But if it doesn't,
then what then I'm just curious where.

Speaker 21 (01:35:19):
And if it.

Speaker 15 (01:35:19):
Doesn't, I'm not. If it doesn't, I'm the liar. Then
you can just ruin my whole business.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Wow, we think about this guy.

Speaker 15 (01:35:28):
If I'm the liar, then just ruin and just say, hey,
this business is a scam. If I'm not the liar,
then you put him on glass and give me more business.
That's how it works.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Okay, we agreed. We agree with that at all. We
agree with that. This is incredible. Okay, thank you for
your time.

Speaker 6 (01:35:46):
Hold On, let's make sure we got everything.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Hold On, let's make sure we have all of the
information to Greb. I'm telling you, I am totally baffled
by this. I have never had two people well we've
had it before in the past, but I.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
Can't think for a long time or we've had two
people that pretty much I met how you passed back
and forth. I'm convinced to the other one I know it,
although my gut says, my gut says because of a
guy named Gary Pappis. My gut says, Matthew's telling the truth.
But we'll find out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
So you think, Matthew, Okay, Matthew, Matthew, did you see
the two deputies at the door? Could you see them clearly? Yes?

Speaker 16 (01:36:30):
I was right behind them almost.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
Well you were at your pick you were at your
pickup truck.

Speaker 16 (01:36:36):
Yeah, the yard was between us. I was maybe twenty
twenty five feet away from him. But he never handed
him anything, and they definitely never handed me anything. And
like I said, when he said he's going to go
get that stuff today, remember what he said.

Speaker 5 (01:36:50):
And real quick, Kelly's talking to him now. There should
be no reason, no reason. And the reason I say
that you know this, he can't hear me talking right now,
there's no reason he should not give the address to
his shops.

Speaker 6 (01:37:01):
We can verify that off air.

Speaker 16 (01:37:03):
Correct. He never told me he had a shop. He
said that's why he was one thousand dollars cheaper than
everyone else.

Speaker 6 (01:37:10):
God, Matthew, I mean he couldn't make all this uptime?

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
My God, I mean, do you think Matthew could fabricate
this entire crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I don't think either of Well, hold on, God, I
don't know Mark, I mean he can. I don't think
right now, I don't think Anthony truly would have to
be mentally disturbed to lie the way he is. Right now.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
I've met the one person in my life that good.
And I already said the guy's name, and it's incredible.
He had me hook line and sacre for a quarter million.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
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Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
You know it's a little weird, though that guy showed
up here? Didn't you say that was two am?

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Was it two am?

Speaker 11 (01:38:42):
I don't think he showed up.

Speaker 5 (01:38:44):
When were the cops there? Do we know what time
was that video? Though we saw were there usually?

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Actually, I don't think there was a time stamp.

Speaker 5 (01:38:52):
I mean it's dark as hell, that's for sure. Although
I saw someone walking on the side, well maybe not.

Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
I don't know. I'm I'm perplexed.

Speaker 22 (01:39:01):
There are definitely other cars driving by on that main
road in the video, so I don't know if that's
going to happen a lot two am at that neighborhood.

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
Yeah, I don't think it's too And then did we
get an address, Kelly?

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
We did?

Speaker 6 (01:39:14):
We did.

Speaker 5 (01:39:14):
I'm not gonna no, do not give it out. We
promise put it up on the screen or those who
I can see it. Wow, that'll be interesting. If he's
got to walk in retail place. I don't know, man,
what are you thinking?

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
Oh? Man, I don't know what to think. It's been
a long time since we've had two people, I mean
absolutely sound credible where you don't know which one to believe.
It's crazy. I'd like to know what are the YouTubers saying.
What are they saying you put up if.

Speaker 5 (01:39:49):
The caller actually if the caller was lying. It's so
crazy how he even got into the point that the
guy works out of his house. That's why he's so
much cheaper. I mean, those little things like that tell
me one of two things. One they're the best liar
in the world. They should run for congress or president.

(01:40:10):
Or two they're a sociopath. Or three they're telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
You know. Do you think there's any possibility. Now, there
were two sheriff's deputies there, so it's not like it's
not like they would split the money or anything. Yeah,
I mean I can't see two deputies being crooked at
the same time. I mean maybe if one was there
and they thought, who's gonna know?

Speaker 6 (01:40:36):
Yeah, but the video should show us if there's money
or not.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Well, the video now the bodycam will for sure the bodycam.
But that's why I don't think they would do anything,
because they know there's bodycam footage. And if they know
they took cash from a guy and that the other
guy didn't get it, they know it's going to come
back to haunt them. And by the way, I say them,
because it has to be more than one, they were

(01:41:01):
both together and it's not and they both heard what
went on. I'd love to talk to these deputies. If
these deputies say they talk to him and not a
penny changed hands, My god, this guy just committed to
us that he says, then destroy my business because I
am the liar. He just came right out and said,
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We got lines open right now. If you need some help,
we'd love to hear from you. And if you've been
following the story for the past hour and a half,
I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. I put
a poll up on YouTube, our YouTube channel, which is live.
We generally have over one hundred people watching all the time.
Any given second, I put who do you believe Anthony

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or Matthew, And right now seventy one percent believe Matthew.

Speaker 6 (01:43:09):
And if you're just joining us.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
Matthew called up and basically said, Hey, this guy Anthony
took some money down he was going to do a rap,
and I want to get my money back because he
got the wrong product. I didn't want it. He said
he'd give me the money back. He has not given
the money back. So we call Anthony up and Anthony
says no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
No, I did give the money back.

Speaker 5 (01:43:32):
I want to ask everybody, Dragon, who do you believe
if you were on YouTube, Anthony or Matthew.

Speaker 22 (01:43:38):
I wasn't here for the entirety of the story, but
just that quick wrap up and what I have seen
here for the past hour of the show, Anthony's story
just seems to be changing ever so slightly every single time,
and it just leaves me wondering why why.

Speaker 5 (01:43:52):
Yeah, I tend to agree with that. I'm not going
to put our guests on the line right now and
ask them. That wouldn't be fair to I'm dying to see.
So we have Deputy D. He's on the uh, he's
into the other studio. D. You're gonna pull that video
no matter what, right.

Speaker 19 (01:44:09):
Well, if neither party provides us with a video, tomorrow
I'll pursue it and and then I'll grab it myself.

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
So you're saying the parties could walk in and possibly
get the video today.

Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
I doubt that they'll get it today.

Speaker 19 (01:44:22):
They can place the order, and if Jeff goes anything
like Denver, they'll have it within a couple of days.

Speaker 5 (01:44:27):
All right, Well, everybody stand by for tomorrow. That could
be great. I'm dying to know the end of this one.
I dealt with the person in my life years ago.
I never I don't even have to put it. I'm
just gonna call him Gary. He was so good at lying.

Speaker 6 (01:44:42):
It was absolutely incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
He had me convinced of things that I don't think
I could ever be convinced of again.

Speaker 6 (01:44:52):
And he was just that good.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
He actually had someone not in the DA's off, in
the US Attorney's office. He had someone in the US
Attorney's office. And I met the woman. She was a
US attorney, and I met her because of an entirely
different deal with Gary. But Gary was already in the system,
and he was basically on probation with the He was

(01:45:17):
basically on probation federally, and it was incredible. She was
so mad because he went out. This story sounds so crazy.
According to her, in a US attorney, Gary went out
and adopted a son right before a trial, right before Actually,

(01:45:38):
I'll take that back, right before sentencing. He already lost
the trial. If I'm recalling this right, went out and
adopted a son from a different state. Do you remember
where they adopted Max from?

Speaker 21 (01:45:50):
I don't remember.

Speaker 5 (01:45:52):
I want to say Wyoming. I don't know why I
think that, but I'm not sure about it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
He was infuriated.

Speaker 6 (01:45:58):
That woman was so mad.

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
We're in the US courthouse and basically I'm getting ready
to testify against him because he stole a lot of
money from me, and the US attorney comes in and
she basically said, I hate this guy. Let me tell
you what he did on his last rodeo. He went
out right before sentencing, according to her, adopted a child.

(01:46:20):
Now I've never adopted a kid. I don't know how
this works. I really don't. They had the kid for
about a month before sentencing. After sentencing, when he was
only on an anklet. He was on ant bracelet on probation.
Because he brought that kid around the courthouse and introduced
the judge to this little kid, and everything else he

(01:46:41):
was facing jail time, didn't get it. She was so mad.
Now you want to know what happened after that? He
took the kid back. Now, once again, I don't understand
the laws. I don't know how you adopt a kid.
Maybe there's a period of time where you test drive
the kid.

Speaker 6 (01:46:59):
I don't know. I'm not pretending to know.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
But according to a US attorney, who I believed because
I already knew what Gary was capable of at this point,
he went out got a kid for sentencing and about
a month after sentencing returned the child to wherever I
don't know, a foster home.

Speaker 6 (01:47:17):
Who knows, But that was this guy.

Speaker 5 (01:47:20):
And if either of those two are lying, and I
assume one is, are two callers, that's how good they were.

Speaker 6 (01:47:28):
I mean, really, is there any that stick out? John?
What do you think?

Speaker 10 (01:47:33):
Yeah, I can't say either way. I can say it
seems like it's easier to prove if there's police involvement.

Speaker 6 (01:47:39):
Well, they're saying the cam's going to be there.

Speaker 11 (01:47:42):
That's all I can say is it's crazy which one
is lying.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
And back to Dragon's point, it's like his story changes
and we're talking about Anthony, but the weirdest part dragon,
And I don't know if you knew. I don't know
if you were here for this part he was going,
he said, literally said I have video of them counting
the money out. And I thought he said on a car,
and that never was there in fact.

Speaker 22 (01:48:07):
And then his story changed, was like, oh, I thought
I had video the door camera would have had it,
but no, he sent us the garage camera. And of
course then his shop address changed. He gave us one address.

Speaker 6 (01:48:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:48:22):
Granted they're very close to each other. Yeah, yeah, but
being as as a member of a family of almost
all business owners, they know what.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
Their shop address is.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
Yeah, no kidding, because they pay the damn rent on it, right,
I mean you are going to know what it is.
And then the other thing that was very curious about
that guy, very very curious about Anthony. It's just how
damn good he was, even though his story was changing,
he seems so.

Speaker 22 (01:48:50):
As a member of a family that has almost all
business owners, I want to believe this guy as a
business owner. I want to believe him.

Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
Yeah, he's just not always adding up. I'm sorry.

Speaker 20 (01:49:00):
Well, remember it also took me about ten minutes to
get him on the air.

Speaker 5 (01:49:06):
Yeah, well, that's not a big deal though. It's kind
of weird just getting, you know, cold called from a
radio station saying, hey, someone is calling up saying you
owe them a thousand bucks. You want to come on
the air and tell your side. And yeah, I'm glad
he did come on. I mean it made for good
radio over the hour. But I'm just dying, and I
mean dying to find out what happens here. All right,

(01:49:28):
we're gonna take a quick break. We're gonna come back.
We're going to dive in with our guest, Frank Drant,
Stephanie Thomas, John Clace. We have three lines open three
zero three seven one three eight two five five. Get
those calls in now. I'd love to know what you
think about that call too. Three oh three seven one
three eight two five five.

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Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
All right, three oh three seven one three eight two
five five we had a grease monkey.

Speaker 6 (01:50:30):
Uh, we had a grease monkey issue.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
Up.

Speaker 5 (01:50:32):
I haven't had one of those for a long time.
I'd love to hear back from them. Three oh three
seven one three eight two five five two lines open,
and I'd really like to know what grease monkey. They're
generally independently owned, but I know some of the owners. Kathy,
What is going on with you, Kathy?

Speaker 6 (01:50:51):
Kathy? Hello, yes, Kathy, Hello, Hello, Hi, Hi.

Speaker 23 (01:50:55):
I got a quick question for it. Yeah, yeah, just
put an opera on a house in our bads is
actually starting a family here in a few months. We
are now concerned about rocky Flats and the soil.

Speaker 5 (01:51:12):
Well, guys, I mean, is that even a thing anymore?
When you say the soil like you're going to be
glowing green or like your house is going to cave in?

Speaker 6 (01:51:22):
Like what do you what do you mean?

Speaker 23 (01:51:24):
I'm worried about the poisons that have settled in Lake Stanley,
which this house is right next to it's between Lake
Stanley and the pond, and from what we're seeing is
that it didn't all get cleaned up, and the wind
can blow and it can still blow some of the
plutonium around it. Still to me, in the water, there's things,

(01:51:45):
don't you.

Speaker 6 (01:51:45):
Guys, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:51:47):
I'm not going to pretend to know anything about Rocky Flats.
I just I just don't know anything. Never studied up.
But Frank, if you're selling a home there is there
disclosure after disclosure, after disclosure about the property.

Speaker 6 (01:52:03):
Have you sold a home around there?

Speaker 7 (01:52:04):
I have mark and no doubt about it. First thing
I would do is go to the cellar and see
what they know, any information, and.

Speaker 6 (01:52:10):
To be in disclosure.

Speaker 7 (01:52:11):
Though if they have knowledge, of course you know they
would disclose what they know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
But I would also go above and beyond that.

Speaker 7 (01:52:18):
I would talk to experts that really know these things
and understand and see how you feel about and make
a judgment call.

Speaker 6 (01:52:23):
But neighbors, i'd go knock out.

Speaker 7 (01:52:26):
Yeah, but there's a number of people that buy and
sell over there for years, and I've never heard of
any real incidents out of it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:32):
But I've heard of the concern people have been getting
sick over there, and let's say the last forty years.

Speaker 6 (01:52:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:52:38):
I've never heard that, Mark, I've just heard, if anything,
just the concerns.

Speaker 5 (01:52:41):
Hey, Kathy, I get the concerns. But have have they
gotten the disclosures yet? Does it even talk about it?

Speaker 23 (01:52:48):
We have, Yes, we've gotten the disclosures. There is nothing
in there about it. Nothing. It's just from what we're
hearing from other people saying, did you check this? Do
you know this? And I was listening to you guys
the way down here, we came down from Loveland, and
you still have commercials that, you know, talk about Rocky
Flats four hundred thousand whatever settlements, So it must still

(01:53:11):
be active at some point. I'm assuming.

Speaker 5 (01:53:13):
Well, I'm sure they are, but we don't know if
those were people that were I mean, those are attorney spots.
I mean, we don't represent any of them, but.

Speaker 16 (01:53:21):
I'm sure yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:22):
But but to that point, though, I think those are
people that might have been directly affected back in the day.

Speaker 6 (01:53:28):
And it's taken this long to go somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:53:31):
And let me ask John Clayso with CMG Financial, I mean,
have you done loans on properties?

Speaker 6 (01:53:37):
There is there any red flags you remember?

Speaker 10 (01:53:40):
No, And then, to be honest with you, a long
time ago, my dad did some building up there, and boy,
they I would almost contact a builder because they're the
ones that have all that information. It's been pretty cleaned up,
so obviously it's a personal thing. But I don't there's
I don't. I've not heard of any.

Speaker 6 (01:53:57):
Issues, Kathy.

Speaker 5 (01:53:59):
We've got heard of anything in a long period of
time about it.

Speaker 6 (01:54:02):
Does a price seem right? Do they really like the house?

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:54:06):
I mean it's amazing, but it's scary when you got
a baby coming in a few months.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Yeah, of course, what's going to happen?

Speaker 6 (01:54:13):
Of course, it's like anything. I mean, I remember people.
I literally said to Susan, what was this? Two days ago?

Speaker 5 (01:54:20):
We were driving from Franktown to Castle Rock and I
pointed out that little electric grid there and then it
had a cell tower there.

Speaker 6 (01:54:28):
It was like this.

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
Big conglomeration right by the King Supers. What's that area called?
It's Founders in Castle Rock, my Founders, And I said,
I don't think i'd want to live by that, And
I don't know if that does anything living next to it,
but I've heard it. And then if you're pregnant and
you got a baby coming. That adds that element to it.
But I would do exactly what Frank said. I would
talk to different people, ask the right people. Maybe call

(01:54:53):
a builder that's building in there, maybe KB Holmes is
built in there, and kind of asked them. And I
definitely definitely would ask the neighbors. That's the first thing
I would do. And I've done that in the past.
Literally I have walked up to complete strangers, knocked down
their door and asked about the property that I was
buying and asked about.

Speaker 6 (01:55:13):
The people they used to live there.

Speaker 5 (01:55:15):
So, yeah, well, I hope that helps Kathy. I mean
that three oh three seven one three eight two five
five three zero three Martino, we got two lines open.

Speaker 6 (01:55:27):
Darlington. What is going on with Greece Monkey?

Speaker 24 (01:55:31):
That's a grease monkey. My son was driving on Eye
twenty five coming back to Denver from Castle Rocks and
he noticed that he had too match arl in the engine,
so he put into grease Monkey and he told him
to remove some of the arl, but greas Monkeys took

(01:55:53):
all the arl out and while he was driving the
engine seas on the highway.

Speaker 5 (01:56:00):
Well, Darlington, this sounds absolutely insane?

Speaker 6 (01:56:05):
What grease monkey was it? Where was it in Castle Rock?

Speaker 24 (01:56:09):
The wanna off of I two twenty five? Off of
I twenty five? I'm like, are you doing over there?

Speaker 6 (01:56:17):
So it wasn't in Castle Rock? It was on the
Denver side.

Speaker 24 (01:56:21):
Yeah, it was in the dens of the highway.

Speaker 5 (01:56:24):
So they how did they get too much oil in
the vehicle?

Speaker 24 (01:56:29):
Well, my son put too much arl in when you.

Speaker 5 (01:56:32):
Wait, wait, hold on though, this is all important stuff.
Why is he adding oil? Does the car burn up oil?

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
No?

Speaker 24 (01:56:41):
But he okay, accidentally put too much oil.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
In the engine.

Speaker 5 (01:56:45):
But why why was it low? Why was he adding oil?
This is very important?

Speaker 16 (01:56:51):
Yes it was low.

Speaker 24 (01:56:53):
Say you was adding oil just because you were taking
a long drive.

Speaker 6 (01:56:58):
Okay, Now what kind of car is it?

Speaker 24 (01:57:01):
It's a it's a box truck. There are you all
in funt of box truck?

Speaker 6 (01:57:06):
Now? So you guys or he owns the U haul
it's not a U haul truck?

Speaker 16 (01:57:11):
No, yes, we own it.

Speaker 5 (01:57:12):
So you bought an old U haul which probably had
over one hundred thousand miles. How many miles are on it?

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Uh?

Speaker 24 (01:57:18):
Rough ones?

Speaker 5 (01:57:21):
Okay, So you guys bought the uul truck and you're
used to it kind of eating oil. So he was
adding oil to it, and he put too much in.
So he wanted to stop at the grease Monkey and
get some of it drained out. And it took everything out,
and they drained the whole thing and then sent them
down the road.

Speaker 6 (01:57:41):
What did they say when he pulled in and said? What?
What did he say when he's in this big box truck?

Speaker 5 (01:57:47):
I mean, could it even fit inside the Jiffy lube?

Speaker 6 (01:57:51):
Did they come out and do it in the parking lot?

Speaker 24 (01:57:53):
I ready wasn't with him, he was driving, but he
pulled in them whatever paid him to take other r?
They took over r. He went back to Greece Monkey
after he tore it to the mechanic shop, and he
told him the guy took an all the R from
the engine and he had to toy back to the
mechanic shop in Aurorad.

Speaker 6 (01:58:14):
How far did he get? How far did he get?

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
He gets?

Speaker 24 (01:58:18):
I think Auchard Road and I twenty five somewhere around there.

Speaker 5 (01:58:21):
What does the receipt say on the from the Jiffy lobe?
Do you guys have a receipt? What is a description?
It wouldn't be an oil change? What would it be,
it will be like but.

Speaker 24 (01:58:34):
I don't know what can I receive? The guy from
the guy, but I know he went back to Greece.
Monkey and the guys who removed the arl. They fired
the two guys that removed the arl, and they told
him the insurance will take care of it. So we've
been going back and forth the insurance. So let's take this.
Get the truck to a mechanic shop and they're going
to evaluate how much it will cost. There is the install.

Speaker 13 (01:58:57):
A new engine.

Speaker 6 (01:58:58):
Okay.

Speaker 24 (01:58:58):
And this guy told me, why don't I just get
a lawyer. I had a lawyer to take you of it.

Speaker 25 (01:59:03):
But I listened to your show.

Speaker 5 (01:59:06):
But but wait, wait, wait Darlington. So the insurance company
agreed to do.

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
Something, Yes, but it take him too long.

Speaker 6 (01:59:16):
Well, what do you mean it took them too long?

Speaker 24 (01:59:18):
I could have take him too long to look into it.
They keep telling us they're going to have the truck evaluated. Different.

Speaker 6 (01:59:26):
Where's the truck now, your mechanic.

Speaker 24 (01:59:29):
Yeah, the truck is. I'm buffling Street in Aurora, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:59:32):
So I just want to I just want to make
sure this.

Speaker 5 (01:59:34):
So Jiffy Lube actually says they screwed up and took
too much oil out and they turned it over to
their insurance company. It's just taking too long. That's what's
going on, right, all right, Hold on a second. Now,
I got a good picture of this, and I got
some great ideas. And by the way, while we're on
hold here, or while we're on break, Kelly, figure out

(01:59:55):
the phone number to that Chiffy Loube for me. Or
I'm sorry grease Monkey three oh three seven one three
eight two five five in Dacolo. Get that comment on
Rocky Flats right after.

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Speaker 5 (02:00:43):
All right, three o three seven one three eight two
five five three oh three Martino, don't forget that number
works on and off the air. We always take calls
and then by the way, you can email us at
help at troubleshooter dot com. Now on the line, I
got Douglas. He's actually Darlington's son who is driving the truck.
And basically grease Monkey was asked to take some oil

(02:01:07):
out of it and they took too much out. All
that's correct, right, Douglas, Yes, sir, So what happened? You
called them back up? They took responsibility and they turned
it over to their insurance. And what is the insurance
company saying? And how long ago was it?

Speaker 25 (02:01:23):
I believe it's been at least two months now, two
or three months.

Speaker 5 (02:01:27):
So so in two or three months, what are they saying?
Are you guys arguing about how much money.

Speaker 25 (02:01:33):
The claim has been? The followed the claim. Yeah, the
claim has been. They said it is under reviewed, but
it shouldn't take this all the review.

Speaker 6 (02:01:42):
What insurance company is it?

Speaker 25 (02:01:44):
I don't know who is ready to grease monkey?

Speaker 6 (02:01:47):
Well, are you renting a truck in the in the meantime,
are you renting a truck?

Speaker 25 (02:01:52):
Yes, we've had to do that because.

Speaker 5 (02:01:54):
Well I understand that and I would assume they know
that and they're going to be paying for that. Hey, Kelly,
hold on, Douglass, get Brian Burns on real quick. I
want to ask him something about this. Hey, Nicole, what's
your comment on Rocky Flats.

Speaker 16 (02:02:08):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (02:02:08):
I hope that lady is still listening.

Speaker 6 (02:02:10):
Oh, I hope she is too.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
Go ahead.

Speaker 9 (02:02:14):
So my husband was a new construction plumber back in
two thousand and The area they did was Superior or
rock Creek as a subdivision, which is the north side
of Rocky Flax got it and within months of being
down there, he started showing signs of his bukemia, but

(02:02:34):
didn't show itself until six months later.

Speaker 6 (02:02:36):
Oh my goodness, how's she doing now?

Speaker 9 (02:02:41):
Well, he still had her remission. He had a bow
maw transplant. All the chemole that they did on the
destroyed his heart. He's on his fourth pacemaker.

Speaker 6 (02:02:50):
Oh, I am.

Speaker 9 (02:02:52):
So sorry about skin cancer.

Speaker 5 (02:02:53):
Did attorneys or anybody doctors trace it back to Rocky Flats?

Speaker 9 (02:03:00):
Well, then like that, he was admitted into the hospital.
He had a four hour notsbleive. We couldn't get stopped.
And the doctor that came in, the oncologist, said where
do you work? So Chris sas near Rocky flats. It's
you know, downstream, down wind. Yeah, yeah, of the plateau,
and he goes, that's where you got it.

Speaker 5 (02:03:18):
Did you guys contact an attorney?

Speaker 9 (02:03:22):
No, because even the doctor said the people that won
the claim that all su that worked there, they still
have not received their money back from the late eighties.

Speaker 5 (02:03:33):
Well, I don't know why we have just like that,
Just like that caller said, we actually have attorneys on
this station that advertise for people that work there, So
I can't imagine they'd be spending money on advertising if
there's no.

Speaker 6 (02:03:47):
Well, I hate to say it, but a pot of
gold at the end of the rainbow.

Speaker 9 (02:03:50):
Called I have called one of those attorneys, and they
were only looking at certain types of leukemia got it,
and other like I think testicular cancer. But now that
is on the list the type he had the all yeah,
now on that list. But still they only want to
look at the people who actually worked on site, not

(02:04:10):
realizing that all of that soil is contaminated. So every
time that rains or the wind picks up.

Speaker 5 (02:04:16):
That God, you would think they do all kinds of
testing on that. You would really think that this this
day and age.

Speaker 9 (02:04:23):
I shoo, there's more cover because you cannot clean up
that stuff as deep as it went. Yeah, there's no way.
And I love that area, it is beautiful. Yeah, but
I would never buy a house. I would never drink
in that area. I would not take a shower.

Speaker 5 (02:04:39):
All right, Well, Nicole, I do appreciate it, and I
hope she was listening too.

Speaker 6 (02:04:45):
And I'm really sad. Stuff with your husband three O
three seven one three eight two five five Brian Burns,
Hey Brian, what's up man?

Speaker 1 (02:04:53):
How much are you?

Speaker 12 (02:04:54):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:04:55):
Same old stuff? Let me ask you something this This
guy went to a girl great monkey, and they drained
all his oil out. I'm not going to get into
the whole story, but he drove down the road, the
engine seized up and needs an engine. They admitted, they
admitted they did it. In fact, I just want to
make sure Douglas grease Monkey did admit they screwed up, right.

Speaker 25 (02:05:18):
Yeah, you know, we father have FABA plame and I'll
still under review. But it's been over two.

Speaker 6 (02:05:23):
Much now, No, I'm talking.

Speaker 5 (02:05:25):
You said grease Monkey turned it over to their insurance company.
Did grease Monkey admit they messed up?

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
Well?

Speaker 25 (02:05:33):
The manager when I spoke to her in caslog says
she had terminated everybody, so I believe. So she said that,
you know, they they're supposed to take a court and
a half out because they said I was over, my
oil level was over. So I just said, okay, thank you,
Uh this.

Speaker 5 (02:05:47):
Okay, Well, Brian, two questions and one. Here's the main question.
I called you for garage keepers in general, and I
assume that's what kind of policy a grease monkey would have.
Would they pay for rental if you screwed up a
work truck? They would have to, wouldn't they if they
took full responsibility.

Speaker 17 (02:06:05):
Yeah, if it was their responsibility in the first place,
that they're paying for all the other damage, then they
would also have to pay for a substitute vehicle while
it was being you know fixed. Now, if the car
is totaled not there is a limitation.

Speaker 5 (02:06:18):
Oh that's interesting. I never thought that it's an old
U haul vehicle. I never I never really put that together.

Speaker 6 (02:06:23):
It could have been.

Speaker 5 (02:06:24):
But here's the real problem that I kind of just
got out of Douglass. I thought at first the store
manager of the Jiffy Loue basically took responsibility and said, yeah,
my guys screwed up but it doesn't. It doesn't sound
that way.

Speaker 25 (02:06:40):
The greasemog it did take a s respond because the
one thing they did do they didn't even the service.
What they did, they wrote a receipt and everything and
all they the posts do it would take a court
out and put the wail back in.

Speaker 6 (02:06:52):
What's the receipts?

Speaker 25 (02:06:55):
Just say they was talking about a check engine right,
all other than that it was there was nothing wrong
with the chuck what I put in there.

Speaker 5 (02:07:02):
Well, if we call them up now from well, I'm
a little confused. Here is a grease monkey in castle
Rock or is it.

Speaker 25 (02:07:09):
In dentist will get castle rocked?

Speaker 6 (02:07:13):
Which one off of founders.

Speaker 25 (02:07:16):
Well, as soon as you get off the highway, yeah,
I found.

Speaker 6 (02:07:18):
Is there a good Year right in front of it?

Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (02:07:23):
Okay, So you're saying if I stopped there on my
way home, because I pass that every day, what do
you think the store manager is going to tell me
about it?

Speaker 6 (02:07:31):
It's eager to admit that his guys screwed up.

Speaker 25 (02:07:35):
Well, depends who the manager is, because there's a new
manager that came in there after the situation. But she
I talked to her after the situation. She told me
advised me what to do and said that they don't
be responsible to help me get this claim issue. Well,
I can get my truck repairs.

Speaker 5 (02:07:51):
So Brian, here here's the main problem. It's been two
months since this has gone down in the insurance company.

Speaker 6 (02:07:57):
It's just not talking to him. If they act turned
it over.

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
I I don't know if.

Speaker 5 (02:08:02):
They turned it over to the insurance company or if
it's going through something internally at grease Monkey. I mean,
because I asked for the name of the insurance company,
Douglas doesn't know well and they could do is the
insurance company on the emails?

Speaker 25 (02:08:22):
It should because I had they were contacting who I
was going to have to do the work for the truck.
They wanted the truck at the place where the work
would be done. But they can get a total dagnastic.

Speaker 6 (02:08:31):
Okay, listen, I want you to send us those emails. Okay, okay,
if we.

Speaker 5 (02:08:36):
Can figure out what insurance company it is, Brian, I
would assume, just like you work with most companies, you
probably work with whatever company this is, and maybe you've
got a claim Sudjuster or you can make a call
for us and see why it's been two months there's
nothing normal about that, is there?

Speaker 1 (02:08:55):
No?

Speaker 17 (02:08:56):
No, If it's a carrier we work with, I would
be happy to try to make them calls.

Speaker 15 (02:08:59):
And if there is no insurance.

Speaker 17 (02:09:01):
Company on it, then what I would do is and
maybe he's already done this, but I would get a
full diagnostic, you know, independent on my own. So that
I'm starting to gather some paperwork here.

Speaker 6 (02:09:11):
I think he did. What do they say?

Speaker 25 (02:09:12):
That's what I do?

Speaker 11 (02:09:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:09:13):
How much is that what you did?

Speaker 13 (02:09:15):
Okay?

Speaker 25 (02:09:15):
Person in convers.

Speaker 6 (02:09:16):
City, how much is it?

Speaker 16 (02:09:18):
It's about?

Speaker 25 (02:09:19):
He said that it came to maybe fifteen to sixteen thousand.

Speaker 6 (02:09:22):
Is that for a rebuilt That's what.

Speaker 25 (02:09:25):
I believed for the new engine and everything?

Speaker 5 (02:09:27):
Oh wait, wait, Douglas, they don't owe agent the agent rebuilt. Okay, Douglas,
hold on, hold on. I hate to be the bearer
of bad news. But even if they even if they
agree that they screwed up, I don't know if they're
going to pay for a rebuilt engine or a new engine.
They basically owe you an engine, a used engine with
one hundred and whatever one thousand miles on it. They

(02:09:49):
don't owe you a rebuilt engine.

Speaker 25 (02:09:52):
Okay, So all these things they're not really.

Speaker 22 (02:09:57):
Let me know.

Speaker 1 (02:09:57):
I'm not they're just not communicating.

Speaker 5 (02:09:59):
So we're going to do two things. Hold on, hold on,
I'm going to put you on the hold. Hey, Brian,
I'm going to get those emails. If there's if I
can make out an insurance company involved, I'll call you up.
But I'm going to stop at that grease monkey. I
don't know if I can do it today, but I
literally pass that thing twice a day, and I'm going
to stop there and talk to them. So Kelly, do

(02:10:21):
me a favor. Get his first name, last name, phone number,
the date this happened, get me all the information from Douglas,
the year, make model of the truck, and I'm going
to go in there and talk to that store manager
or whatever manager is there and try to make heads
or tail of this. But Brian, two months is I mean,
that's that's not cool at all.

Speaker 17 (02:10:42):
No, especially if they're not even communicating. I mean, if
this is going back and forth y'or trying to get
bids or whatever they're trying to diagnose. But when you're
not communicating, that is the worst thing that these companies
can do.

Speaker 5 (02:10:53):
Yeah, No, it's horrible. I just don't know if we're
dealing with grease Monkey at this point, or if we're
dealing with any or if we're dealing with an insurance company.
By the way, that's Brian Burns Compass Insurance Quote Compass
dot Com. Suzanna and I have been using Brian and
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business insurance, our homeowners insurance, our motorcycle insurance, our trailer insurance.

(02:11:18):
I have probably put both of his kids through college
at this point, but I'll tell you this, he shops
every year for us and finds us the best rates,
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Compass dot Com. Thank you, Brian. Everybody hold tight.