OpenAI in serious trouble after helping a teen commit suicide!

Dallas attorney Jeremy Rosenthal covers the latest legal cases making headlines including the Camp Mystic lawsuit

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I check some of the stats on that campy and
it's pretty remarkable how many people listen on the app
in the morning, Throw in the you know, the the
earbuds and jump outside, go for a walk, kick the
dog out, and it's pretty It's a pretty slick little app.
If you don't have it yet, download that. That way
you can listen to wherever you are.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Supremely convenient.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
I do it sometimes I'm out or i'm working out,
I'll listen on the app, or I'll listen to the
Bucks line or the best Buckeye coverage pregame show with it. Yeah,
it's really slick. And then later in the day, if
you are busy in the morning and you want to
just pull up a podcast, you can hear all of
our interviews that way too.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
So I should probably finish that up.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Then I'll let you get to work because I'm gona
jump on the Legacy Retirement Group dot com phone line.
Talk to our good friend, Texas Defense Firm dot com.
It's a Dallas attorney, Jeremy Rosenthal. Man, you've been You
had a little pep in your steps in Saturday when
your Texas Tech red Raiders took care of BYU.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Man, I'll tell you what. The Red Raider in me
wants to just sort of like not believe this or
just kind of pick cup on the Well, we still
have the too many prestat penalties. But I'll tell you what, Man,
with this playoff bracket, we could have, you know, the
suitors come into town. We could be playing a fight
in Texas. Aggie's a lot of a lot of our

(01:13):
villains who you know, we're too cool for the Big twelve.
You know, we're about to see what that's about.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I think if they the old, if the playoffs were today, Jr.
You'd face Miami at number eleven. But dude, I mean
you're sitting just outside the top five at six, and
you got you c f this weekend three thirty game
on Fox. You're looking at a ten win season starting
this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, well we've got and then we've got West Virginia
on the road in the rain, in the cold, and
there's absolutely positively nothing that could potentially go wrong there
ever at all, ever.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, no what could possibly go wrong? No, absolutely absolutely all.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Right, I'm just gonna go ahead and buy my tickets
right now at the Pasadena or wherever right so yeah,
what could go wrong? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Nothing? Yeah, and you got the cash that's disposable income
for you. You can handle that, no problem. So that's a
little fun. I do want to get into a couple
of serious topics, some legal topics with you this morning.
And this is just heartbreaking when you see some of
what's going on with some of these teen suicides on
you know, using AI and chat GPT, and you know,

(02:23):
part of the problem is kids are using these these
tools as companionship. You know, they're they're going on to
this and they're talking to these chatbots like they're real people,
which of course they're not. And in these cases, you know,
they're talking about being depressed and they're considering hurting themselves,
and the chat bots don't discourage them. In fact, they
do quite the opposite. And now you're seeing some lawsuits.

(02:44):
How does this play out?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
This is Frankenstein's monster. It just is you create something
you don't know how it's going to work. You create
it to sort of be life, right, and then it
goes crazy and then it hurts people and what right? What? What?
What do you do at that point? And are you
at fault? Was this foreseeable? Uh? And yes, some of
the stories are absolutely heartbreaking. In one instance, some of

(03:08):
the very last words from the chat bot to the
person was audio spaceman, see you on the other side.
Some instances, and yeah, in some instances they were they
were teaching people how to buy a news to hang
themselves with, and and and just again, so so they
made these things to engage people, to socially engage people, right,

(03:30):
and and the arguments here against open ai is that, look, guys,
we know that AI is a is a is a
supersonic money maker, right. We know that this is the
next best, best thing and next biggest thing, and we
know all these other companies are trying to compete to
get to get that to that top slot. And and
and basically, you know, chat gpt open Ai. You guys

(03:54):
just sort of round a third. Didn't look at the coach.
You know, you guys just had to win. And this
is the price that you pay. You cut corners, you
did it faster, you wanted the corner of the market.
But this was what went wrong. But again this is
again the issue is is was it foreseeable that this
could happen? And it's really hard to say that it's

(04:15):
not when you just take this product that's designed to
have a life of its own and engage people like this.
It's hard to say that this couldn't have happened.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
It really is. And what is opening eyes response to
these lawsuits are they are they saying, you know what,
this is a a personal responsibility issue where you should
have you know, the parents need to be more involved
with their kids. This is not our problem, this is
your problem. What's that response been.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I think they want this to go away.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
They've been They've they've come out.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
And said, look, this is horrific, this is tragic, and
they've said that that they're building everything that they can
do to into their mouse trap to make sure that
these things get get caught. That when somebody talks about
self harm, when somebody talks this way to one their boss,
that it gets flagged and it gets reported. That that
that that they get the that they get to to help.

(05:07):
So there they've taken some steps and measures to try
to fix this going forward. And I think that when
when you really look at it, it strikes the core
of what their product really is. Right, your product has
to be trustworthy. As a lawyer, if I'm using chat GPT,
what I've experienced is if I'm asking for legal documents

(05:29):
and and and authority, about a third of it's wrong,
right because it's it's it's hallucinating, it's it's not doing it.
And they're doing their best to fix that. But it's
that reputation, uh that that that makes me not want
to use it at all. And they know that if
if people that, if their product has this reputation of
just being crazy or psychotic or or or sycophanic or

(05:52):
something like that, that people aren't gonna want to use it.
They have every incentive to settle and to give these
people what they want and they get this thing out
of the headline now.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Attorney Jeremy Rosenthal, Texas Defensefirm dot com. Another sad story
back on fourth of July this year, the Camp Mystic,
a tragic situation there at that summer camp and the
flooding the Guadalupe River there down in your backyard, really
and there's some lawsuits there. The families of thirteen of

(06:22):
the girls who did not survive that flood at the
camp are suing the camp. What's going on there?

Speaker 2 (06:28):
You have twenty seven victims from Camp Mystic, that includes counselors,
that includes campers, horrifically tragic. Everybody's going to deal with
the loss in a different way. I'm sure if you
were to talk to some of the families that maybe
they probably never want to hear or see this again. Right.
Others are going to be conciliatory. Others are going to
be just angry. So the plaintiffs in this case are

(06:53):
basically saying, look, this was preventable, even if it's an
act of God. Acts of God are foreseeable. Right, you
live in Tornado Alley, you know to to have a basement, right,
and and you know when to go and go for safety.
Some of the cabins were in clearly not very good places.
At least one cabin had had to have been evacuated

(07:16):
before UH. And some of the policies were confusing or
didn't make sense if you believe what the plaintiffs are
saying about it, saying that the camp counselors weren't authorized
to evacuate the kids even when there's something clearly not
right happening. So a lot of those things are are
sort of the subject of it. And you're always asking

(07:38):
when you're when you're a lawyer, you're always asking where's
the money? Right, where's the money going to come from? Here?
You're a lawsuit is functionally drilling for oil and you're
looking for that pocket of of of of of product. Right,
So where is it here? Right? Is it the insurance money?
Is it the real estate individuals making really poor tray

(08:00):
targets for lawsuit? But clearly there's at least some of
these families that want something done.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Here, and you can't blame them. I mean, you've got
young girls and cabins sitting in flood prone areas. The
flood sirens were going off, nobody took action, The safety
plans were less than adequate. I mean, this seems like
a pretty slam dunk situation for the plaintiffs in this case.
But we'll have to watch that one. I got about

(08:26):
a minute left, Jeremy. Supreme Court will not revisit the
same sex marriage situation. Good call, bad call doesn't make
a difference at this point.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I think it's a big deal for the LGBTQ community,
but it may be a temporary when this was a
very poor case to try to overturn it. And I
think that's functionally, if for no other reason, that's why
it got turned down.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
This was the case of the Kentucky clerk who would
not issue same sex marriage license. She got hit with
a really massive lawsuit, but leegally she in that case. Really,
if you're an elected official, can you ignore the law
that was really the issue here, not same sex marriage.
They wanted the Supreme Court to overturn same sex marriage,
but this was not the right case to really evaluate

(09:13):
that in a meaningful way. So not a lot of
people are surprised that it got turned down, but a
temporary victory, if nothing else, for the LGBTQ community.