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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New firearms, a tribute to a city leader. And we
have Trump Senior Advisor Bob Paduccik in studio. Stay tuned
for on Target. Good afternoon, Welcome to on talk about
broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD Firearms and Rage. Bob,
what do you think of the new intro?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
I love it, man, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
We didn't even get to talk about it much last week.
Ed you had you heard that?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
That's first I've heard of it, man, Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah. Inspired by our next president. Yes, there you go.
Welcome to on Target. We're broadcasting live. We're in the
studios right here at LPD Firearms Arrange. That's at nine
nine nine Bethel Road. If you haven't been here, I
don't know why, because we've been opened eleven years now.
We're right on Bethel Road. You can come watch the studio.
There is a live studio audience. I mean that's out

(00:48):
the door today, Bob.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
It is.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
And I noticed you have those new Smith and Wesson
forty four mag lever actions.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Very nice.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
They are extremely nice. Yes, Actually, we have a lot
of good inventory right now. We're going to get to
some of that up shortly. There's some really neat things
that have come in you might want to come by
in take a look at what else. Of course, we
are the owners of LAPD Farms and range and training facility,
and we're active in law enforcement. But for one hour
on Saturdays, we put together a group of firearm experts

(01:17):
to discuss new products in the market, training tips, and
all too often political topics surrounding the Second Amendment. Our
commitment has always been to bring you the facts about
our industry and help customers and listeners with safe, responsible
ownership of firearms. Today, I wanted to thank start Up
by thanking our good buddy FOP President Lieutenant Brian Steele.

(01:38):
He was on with us last week talking about the
latest indictment of the Blended Township Officuore. We're going to
get to that a little bit more about that soon too.
We're also we want to thank we never you know,
I never got a chance last week to thank Chuck
Douglas for taking the reins a couple weeks ago when
I was out of town, so I wanted to thank
him for doing that. I watched it across the seas

(01:59):
I think I was in Greece at the time, and
watched Chuck during that show traveling Man, Well, one time,
one time, and let's say all programming. Note next week.
You might have heard if you're watching on Facebook here
we were talking to the producer. Next week we were
preempted by High State game. Basically, anytime the WTV in
coverage starts three hour prior to game time, if that

(02:22):
three hours bumps into our noon to one hour, we're
going to be preempted that week. Next week is that time?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
In other words, you're saying we're getting cut.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, basically. But the thing is now they don't even
announce it the whole schedule ahead of time, so you
don't know week the week. I mean, they announced it
seems like the week of So that is something there.
Future shows coming up, and we have a lot of
good shows coming up, not that today is in the
Good Show, but we have a lot of other good
shows coming up. I was talking to Bob before the show.

(02:50):
Bernie Marina is going to join us at some point.
Jd Vance, coy Lewandowski. We got all kinds of people
coming up too as we get into the election season.
Today though today we're gonna debut a song here actually
after the next break, kind of as a tribute. This
is a tribute song I love it uh to one
of our leaders. And here you know, by no means

(03:11):
is this individual responsible for all the chaos in the city,
but he bears a part of it, and so we're
gonna do a little tribute song to him of it.
Well that is true, arguably so. And then after that
we are going to talk a little bit about We're
going to talk about the importance of elections and they
matter in your vote matters, And I'm gonna go through

(03:32):
We've been teasing this for several weeks now. We were
hit with the program through the ATF called Demand two
and it is a total BS program, It truly is.
And I want to tell you about the details of that,
just to show you a little bit about the behind
the scenes of what affects gun stores, specifically in the
gun industry. And once you hear the details of this,

(03:54):
you'll say, what the heck. And the reason we talk
about this is because who is in the presidency, who
was in these elected position matters. We didn't have this
this issue in prior administrations, but it has surface now.
So we're going to talk about that and the course
sitting with us, the entire day. Trump senior advisor Bob Paduccick.

(04:14):
So good to see Bob.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Good to be here the entire day. I thought this
was the.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Entire day, Bob, the d the shows at one community service,
the counter to help pay off all your purchases.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Well, that's true. I do have a tendency to buy
things when I show up here.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yes, that is that is a problem when you step
foot in. It is good to see you, though, And
I mean you're you talk about Dowd and I mean
you were on the front lines. I don't talk to
you every day, but just hearing some of the things
you're going through you're at the R and C.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Wisconsin was an awesome show. And you know, you contrast
that with what the Democrats had, which was, you know,
a Hollywood produced like Republican light show. It was really
really strange. You know, you'd see so many I never
knew Democrats were so pro military, pro flag, pro law enforcement.

(05:07):
It's just like, yeah, you know, you have the fake news.
Now you have a fake candidate and a fake campaign
for the Democrat Party.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
And I really I try to step back and say, okay,
I'm going to be objective about this. Let's we watched
the rn C. We watched a little bit of the DNC.
What a night and day. I mean, so patriotic on
the RNC and so uplifting, and again I'm a little tainted,
I understand, but it just didn't seem to be the
same message on the DNC.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, and you have a lot of conflict that in
the Democrat Party gets papered over all the protesters and
the people that were out there, and and and they're
they're they're trying very hard to kind of paper over
all that. You know, they've got a candidate that doesn't
have any policies or positions that that she directly talks about.
She doesn't do any interviews with the press, she doesn't.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's like they're trying to run the Joe Biden basement.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Campaign in COVID now, and I just don't see how
they get away with it, to.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Be I don't know. I'm worried though, because it worked
for Biden, and I'm worried that the media is not
going to hold her feet to the fire again.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
I mean, but that was the first time, and that
was during the pandemic and the and the media could
go out and say, hey, we're doing this because you know,
he's doing this because of the pandemic and we can't
have all these big crowds. Well that's not happening now,
and people recognize that.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
And look at what.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Robert Kendy Junior did on Friday, called these guys out.
If you saw his speech, he went right after the
fake news and for people that were watching it on CNN, CNN.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Like cut him off, I know when he started taking
him the task.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, so I want to talk more about that in
the second half hour. Sure, and what that means for
President Trump's campaign really mean, that was huge. I looked
at that and I'm no one and stuff, but I
looked at that.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Man.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
That is a huge endorsement, has potentially great ramifications. Guys
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the show possible each week joining me today. You heard
the voice of mister Bob Paduccik to my right, though

(07:16):
big ed glad you're back.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Ed.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
It's it's been I haven't seen you for a while.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
I know it seems like every weekend and something pops
up that I don't have control over and I can't
be here. But last weekend I had hair appointments.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
And I know, yeah, I got to find his who
his guy is, you know, might help me out here.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
It's actually my guy is my wife, and she gives
me all the good hair products.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
And the good haircuts.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
What little I have?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
All right, you may do, but you got so ed.
We were talking before the show Chicago. Haven't really delved
into them for a minute. What's been going on there?

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Well, let's go right.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
Let's start with August first to August twenty fourth, shot
and killed twenty thirty five, shot wounded, two hundred and
one total shot two hundred and thirty six with thirty
eight homicides. And that's just for the first of August. Now,
let's talk about DNC week from the eighteenth to the
twenty fourth shot and killed thirteen and I think we

(08:15):
for that week, and I think we can include the
one to Columbus PD shot.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Okay, so we'll conclude that one too.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
Smith are shot and wounded forty three total shot for
that week fifty six, with a total of fourteen homicides
y're to date. So this one, I just get to
keep blowing away every time I see these numbers. Since
January one of twenty four, three hundred and fifty one
shot and killed, sixteen hundred and seventy one shot and

(08:42):
wounded total shot twenty twenty two, with a total of
three hundred and ninety nine homicides.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Wait, is this gaza or.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know what?

Speaker 6 (08:53):
It's funny you say that because I got to thinking
when I was going over to stats, I said, I
want to pick a war or a time zone.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeahh combat zone.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
So I decided to look at Vietnam because everybody remembers
Vietnam and they know how bad it was, and Vietnam
went through what nineteen sixty nine started.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
IM sorry, nineteen sixty and to.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Seventeen seventy four, seventy seventy four, sixty to seventy four.
I had it written down there, I couldn't find it.
The most that was killed in one week in the
Vietnam War, it was in nineteen six June of nineteen
sixty nine, with two hundred and forty two shot and killed. Now,
if you want to compare those stats to any of

(09:40):
the weeks that I've been looking at this website for
the Chicago updates, there has been just about as many. Well,
just year to date, three hundred and fifty one. That
was just for not even a full year, and they
had one week two hundred and forty two. So Chicago's
beating the hell out of Vietnam just for one week.
Total killed in Vietnam for eight or from sixty to

(10:04):
seventy four, fourteen years, fifty eight thousand, one hundred and
forty eight American soldiers were killed in Chicago from twenty
sixteen to twenty twenty four five thousand, five hundred and
two shot and killed, a shot and wounded twenty five thousand,
six hundred.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
And fifty in a non.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
War zone, a non war zone.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
And that's only a total of what six years, eight years,
I'm sorry for Chicago.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
And total shot in Chicago.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
From twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four, twenty nine thousand,
zero fifty three, twenty nine thousand and fifty three. That
is half of what was killed in fourteen years in Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Jeez, it's just over fourteen years versus and think of
the impact, the societal impact of that. I mean, and
this is in a city. This is in a US city.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's a city. This isn't the country that we.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Were in, right, It's incredible. And you know what, I
was looking at the weekly CPD stats and it just
and these it just goes to show and Brian talked
about it last week. In a year to date in Columbus,
seventy seven percent of the victims of homicides, seventy seven
percent of the victims of homicides are black or Hispanic.

(11:21):
That's horrible. That is a horrible for those communities. And
what's just as horrible the suspects, the known suspects of
murders in Columbus this year, year to date, ninety four
percent black or Hispanic.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
We got to help these neighborhoods, we got that's the issue.
We need to get in there and educate or whatever.
I mean, stop looking at stuff that makes no sense.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
They keep pointing the fingers at the police. They can't
pointing the fingers that the government not wanting to help.
But it goes to the neighborhoods themselves. They don't want
to help because they don't keep control well in facts
of where their kids are well and what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
A lot of them are scared to help. I mean
they see these thugs running the cities.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Where's the parents of the thugs?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
You're absolutely right, I mean here and to your point,
at these suspects age and these murders, thirty four of
the suspects were under twenty one. I believe under twenty
one of the victims. Twenty three of the homicide victims
this year, we're under twenty one, twenty three of the
hum I mean, the kids should be out playing or
doing something. I mean out there shooting and murdering each other.

(12:30):
It's just sickening. So what, I don't know what.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
People see in Chicago. I mean, I know everybody's moving
out of California. But yep, I'll be getting the hell
out of.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Speaking of moving out that that's a great segue. We're
gonna jump to a break and on the other side,
we're gonna talk. We're gonna have a little fun here
for for once, with a with a little song that
we kind of just threw out there. So stay tuned.
After the break, we'll get to that Ron Talko broadcasting
live from the studios of LPD Farms. Arrange, we'll be
back right after the break. You know this song, Ed,

(13:04):
I've heard this song a few Bob, I'm sure you know.
Oh yeah, good old classic Billy Joel song. So, guys,
last week, last week, I was, I was a little bit.
I I'm still irate with this indictment of the Blendon
township officer. Just just things just don't add up and

(13:24):
it's just wrong.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Now.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Admittedly, so Gary Tayak or prosecutor in the county, maybe
not directly influencing this particular indictment. He brought in a
special prosecutor from the outside, but nonetheless we know where
he comes from, because well, he said in his own words,
and back to an interview that he had with Channel
ten's Lacy Crispin twenty twenty one, he said this, He says,

(13:49):
I am running because of too many officers succumbing to
the temptation of shooting people. Can you imagine that, Ed,
that too many officers are succumbing to the temptation to
shooting people. And when lazy I mean did a great
job and responded said sir, with all do you respect.
You know, these officers believe they're in fear for their
life or the life of others. And his response was, well,

(14:12):
they think they're in fear for their life, but they
have choices, so you kind of know what we're dealing with.
El Can you go ahead and play that clip in
his own words.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
I want to ask you about that. When we talked
right after you were elected, you had said you ran
because not enough police officers were being prosecuted for shooting
and killing blackman. We've had two fatal law enforcement involved
shootings in the month of December. How do you feel
you plan on proceeding with those cases? And do you

(14:45):
still stand behind those comments?

Speaker 7 (14:46):
Stand behind the comments? And I happen to believe that
we need to get the message out. I mean, ninety
five percent or more of the police officers go through
a career and never shoot anyone. We need to get
the message out that if you do succumb to the
temptation to shoot, then we will end up penalizing you,

(15:14):
maybe even sending you to prison, because obviously, the average
police officer does not want to end up going to
prison where they will be spending time with folks they
may have put in prison themselves. So I am very
hopeful that we can get people to think twice before
they pull out a gun. And it's only recently with

(15:37):
the different kinds of pictures taken by cell phones and
other things, that the officers realize that what they do
is going to result in a crime or a criminal conviction.
And that's that's something we have that may cut down
on some of some of the shootings.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
I have to ask you about the choice of words tempt.
Do you think officers are choosing to shoot or do
you think they're doing it to chet their own lives.

Speaker 7 (16:08):
I think that they believe they're doing it to protect
their own lives, but it is still a choice.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
What do you think about that, Bob?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
That sounds like a guy who's never worn a badge
or strapped on a holster and walked out in the
community in the middle of the night to answer a
domestic hall or anything like that. That is a guy
that has no frame of reference of what it's like
to wear the uniform and put their life at risk
every day.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Brain did sob has got no clue what it's like
to be on the streets.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
To make a comment like that, The temptation. We don't
go out with a temptation to do that thing.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
And so Officer Grub when he was standing in front
of that car and she took off and hit him,
feat were raised off the ground. That was a temptation
that he was waiting for. That give give me the
choice to shoot her. What a bunch of b s.
So we decided have a little fun here and we
wrote some lyrics to well the Billy Joel song we

(17:06):
had it. It was performed by an artist otherwise known
as Lang. So go ahead, La, go ahead and play
our little parody for Prosecutor Tayak.

Speaker 8 (17:30):
Anthony works in a grocery store save in his petty
is full Sunday Mama left him of a note on
the door, say gott to move out of this city.
Vive in and Columbus under Gary tyac attack.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
We should have known by now.

Speaker 8 (17:52):
We used to feel a safe in the city, but
now it's a different story and the city so full
of crime. If unsafe is what it's all about, you
can shelve office woke crap Cozi.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Moving on.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Well, Lieutenant p.

Speaker 8 (18:22):
Steele is a walk on the beach and night the
streets are run by offenders. They hang all day long
on the land and south side across from the Nationwide Center,
faded in a good man Fortei, I can't catack.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
We should have.

Speaker 8 (18:41):
Known by now, Well, anyone put away the bad guy.
We wish he would punish offenders and crime is out
of control, and that's what they're all about.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Well, then book me, you haul because I moving and out.

Speaker 8 (19:11):
Well you should never argue with the crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
My mind, we should have known mine. Now you can
pay the cops all.

Speaker 8 (19:21):
Day overtime, but they'll never be enough money. And if
that's what they have in mind, if that's what Tayak's about, well,
good luck Columbus because I'm moving out.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, good luck Columbus because.

Speaker 8 (19:46):
I moving out.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
What do you think, Bob, I get that on your playlist?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, I mean that's that's that proud like that, no
doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, I mean it has a ring to it then
a little acoustical version.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
But the sad thing about this is he's going to
be replaced by somebody. I fear that's even going.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
To be another radical.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Well, I mean I mean think about this.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
I mean I remember when he got elected and I thought, okay,
you know this guy is probably not as bad a
prosecutor as you'd get in San Francisco or some of
these other places. And uh, but that's what these guys
are forced to do in a city that is, you know,
dominated by one political party that is anti cop.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
It is and it's and it obviously I mean admittedly,
so it's just not him. I mean he comes down
from the mayor's office and everyone else city council.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
But when you look at and the thing and ed
you can talk to this too. What frustrates me more
than anything is you know that ninety nine percent of
the officers out there are out there with good intents,
and they're out there to protect themselves and others and
to protect our society, right, agree. And if there was
an officer who comes up like that, we all saw
it on the social media, the officer who shot and

(21:04):
killed the lady who threw the pot of boiling water.
If you look at that and you say, okay, that's
a problem, Okay, we identify that. You don't necessarily want
those officers in your ranks. But when you look at
some of these other cases where they put indictments on
these officers, it affects what goes on in the street.
I'm telling you the morau out there. Elections matter, and
the morale out there, especially in the city of Columbus,

(21:27):
has officers second guessing themselves, which will ultimately get them killed.
It's if they just don't act or they don't act well.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
It's horrible for retention. It's bad for recruitment.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
And you already have problems with recruitment and retention to
begin with, let alone trying to get these guys. And
this is why these cities are falling apart. Here here's
a prime example of the statistics that Ed was just
talking about in Chicago a few minutes ago. And that's
where this all comes from. It starts here, and it's
like a cancer goes throughout the city.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
We want law and order, and that means an officer
stepped outside of his bounds and impeded on the constitutional
rights of someone else in the vile remains held.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
Him responsible and and throughout the industry, when an officer
does something wrong, whether it be intentional or not, he's
held responsible. But to get on the air and tell
the people that I'm going to be your head prosecutor,
and then I'm going to put officers in jail who
succumb to their temptation to pull the trigger is asinine.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Asinine, guys, let's jump to a break and we get
back on the other side. We're gonna talk about something
that is happening to us right here at the store.
And I also going to continue our conversation with Senior
advisor to President Trump, Bob Paduccik on Target broadcasting live
from the studios of LAPD Farms. Arranged. We'll be back
after the news. Bob, how can we get the president

(22:55):
to hear this? Can you play it for next time
you're talking? You have you talked today?

Speaker 5 (23:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I did not, but I could put it on my phone.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Okay, maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm still interested in how
that call comes through. Does it say like President.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
He's in my phone.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
I'm not going to tell you what it is because
for op SEC, if somebody got my phone, then they
would know, like also find that in there.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I mean to answer your text.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I don't want.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean, do you ever sit there and you're like.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
I mean, he's you know, he's kind enough to ask
me for my advice on certain things, and you know,
I try to hold some discretion with it.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
You have to and and frankly, I'm happy to give my.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Advice to lots of UH Republican candidates and politicians, and
I do that and I try to keep confidence in it.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
No, absolutely, absolutely, we'd like to have fun with you, though, guys.
So in the whole theme on it's important to vote
to vote, I wanted to talk about it, and we've
touched upon this several times here at the store, but
I wanted to give a little bit more in depth
about what is going on with us here at the store,
kind of give a little bit of a back story
on it, to kind of see how ridiculous some of

(24:08):
this stuff is. And it's coming down from the administration.
So we've mentioned it sometimes before, and it is a
program that has actually been out there for over several
president's presidential terms. So it's not just didn't come into
play with Biden Harris, but it how it affects stores
has certainly ramped up during during this administration. So a

(24:31):
little bit of a background When somebody comes into our
store to purchase a firearm, we do a background checks,
often referred to as a Knicks check or an ATF
Knicks check on that form Contrary to what a lot
of people think. We don't pass along any information to
FBI or NIX on the actual firearm that's being purchased.
It simply goes to the point that they're buying a rifle, shotgun,

(24:53):
or handgun. There's nothing that gets passed along to the
ATF to tell them that Joe Smith bought this gun
with this serial number this day. So that is something
that that's important to know. Every firearm that we have
sold since we've been in business out of here has
gone out of here after ATF and NICKS has told

(25:14):
us to proceed. We have nothing to do with that
calculation whether the person is legally able to own a firearm.
We simply submit it. They tell us whether that person
is legally able to own a firearm by searching through
the databases. Only exception to that is when that system fails,
and over a period of time we never hear anything back.
By law, we can sell that firearm. And there has

(25:36):
been a couple occasions whereas come back later and they said,
you know, a month later, that person should have been
a deny, no of no, you know nothing that we
had done. But every gun that goes out has been
basically blessed right.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
Let's put the blame where the blame is due. It's
nothing we have done, it's what they didn't do. They
exactly follow up right, exactly right.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
So then do some of the guns we sell have
they ended up in crime? Certain I mean just the
mere stats of it that they will end up in augh.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
But most of those are left in somebody's vehicle. It
all gets jacked.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Or robbed or was way to hear this, So we
have no crystal ball. When we saw that firearm, the
person past the background check, they left the store as
a lawful and legal transaction. Now, there is one time
there is something that we watch more closely, and that's
called a straw purchase and what that can be. Oftentimes
the classic example is boyfriend comes in with girlfriend. Boyfriend

(26:33):
kind of gives the nod, Hey, I like that. One
girlfriend attempts to buy the gun. Now, as you can imagine,
that can get They can get very creative in that.
It's not nearly as cut and dry as it sounds sometimes.
But we have trained all of our employees. We continue
to do training to identify straw purchases, and we have
shut down many purchases where we thought it was a

(26:53):
straw purchase. So that is one time where if the
bad guy got the gun, rest assured, it is in
the hands of someone who shouldn't legally be able to
have one, and it's probably going to be used in
a crime. So that is a little bit back on
the store to be able to identify.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Those well, and you guys go way above.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
And way I mean, I know you and I have
talked about this. If somebody comes in smelling like weed,
they're not even.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Turn right around.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, turn right around.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
So when those firearms end up in police custody for
whatever reason, it used to be that the department would
would trace that firearm. Now it could be they founded
on a crime scene, they found out an emergency and
it was founded a suicide, or whatever the case may be.
The police department has discretion whether to do what they

(27:43):
call an ATF trace and what that is they call
ATF and they say, who purchased this gun legally the
first time. Now admittedly by the ATF over the last
couple of years, they have encouraged departments to trace any
gun that they have in their possession, any gun. So
you roll up to an accident scene, the guy has

(28:04):
a HL license. He is being transported because of medical reasons.
But his gun is in the call, is in the glovebox.
We're gonna hold that for safe keeping. And now the
ATF is encouraging you to trace that gun. By no
means is that a crime gun?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
No, And it's a violation of Fourth Amendment right.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
You could argue that. So, as you can see now,
a lot of these traces that are coming down aren't
even ones that ended up in a crime. They're just
in police custody. It can also be the widower who
just lost her husband and said, hey, look he had
all these guns. I don't know what to do with him,
Please take them.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
This happens all the time.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
And I talked to folks from the High Gun Collectors Association.
This happens a lot of time with widows that open
up a steamer trunk from their husband's service and World
War two and there's.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
In there, right, you know, right, And.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
They and they get turned into agencies, to police departments,
at which time they're encouraged now to trace them.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Well, not even in that, in a situation like that,
they're in possession of a machine gun.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Bame.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
So when we get these traces. Then we had to
go through our files and then we report back to
the ATF who purchased that firearm, day and time. SERAH
numbers the whole deal and it ties it to that person.
So that brings me up to something that has been
going on now for two years. And so last year
we got notified by the ATF that that we were

(29:40):
now going to become part of a program. We are
mandated to be a part of a program. And this
program is for any store who had twenty five or
more crime gun traces, twenty five or more crime gun
traces with an average time to crime of three years.
So what that means is they look from when that
gun was sold legally and if it ended up in

(30:01):
a crime within three years, that's a pretty quick time
to crime. So then there might be something this store
is doing wrong. Maybe this store is turning a blind
eye to straw purchases and these guns are flipping on
the street pretty quick, right, So twenty five. The first
fatal flaw in this program is that twenty five doesn't

(30:21):
fluctuate with how many guns you sell. So if you
are an at home FFL, when you sell ten guns
a year, twenty five is a threshold if you are
the largest store in central Ohio and sell ten thousand
guns a year, Yeah, twenty five is the threshold. So
right there, there's some ambiguity in that. So we got
notified in the letter. I'm going to read to you
what the letter said. It said, let's see here that

(30:47):
because ATF is requesting this acquisition information because our records
indicate that in twenty twenty two, twenty five or more
crime guns, crime guns with the time to crime three
years or less, we're traced through your store. I read that,
I'm like, no way, no way. We've had so many
arrests out of here of terrorists, gun traffickers, felons. There

(31:10):
is no way we sold twenty five guns that ended
up in crime. No way. So I pushed. Because they
don't give you the list of guns that caused you
to hit this right, So I pushed. I got the list.
I started making calls, and I think last year there
were thirty guns on this list. And I started making
calls and I see, well, those two were stolen and recovered.

(31:32):
That had nothing to do with us. There was one
gentleman who we knew, who was going through a divorce.
He had to move out of his house. His guns
were at home. He had Columbus police. I have a
copy of the report. Go and hold the guns for
safe keeping. That we're in police custody. Now at the
behest of ATF CPD does a trace on them, boom,

(31:56):
their crime guns. They go against us. So I fought
this all year and stuff, of course with no relief.
So you might be saying, Okay, what's the punishment if
you you're starting to get a flavor on what they're
accusing us of, and basically it's accusing us of turning
a blind eye to straw purchases. These guns are ending
up in crimes. That's their allegation, right. The punishment you

(32:19):
would think would be, hey, we're gonna send agents out
and we're gonna help train your employees on how to
better identify how to keep these guns off the street.
But that's not what the punishment is. The punishment is
now on a quarterly basis, I have to submit to
the ATF a list of every used gun I have
in the case. Has nothing to do with the allegation.

(32:45):
It's an end a round for them to have a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Of a database, right, database guns that wouldn't be coming
from the.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Man exactly exactly. It definitely an end around. So and
you might say, Okay, a little bit of hassle for you,
no big deal. But where this really impacts us is
the ATF slips this information to USA Today and USA
Today the article I'm going to read the title here,
gun shops that sell the most guns used in crime

(33:16):
revealed in the list with LPD in that list. Ridiculous,
And of course the Dispatch picks up on it. Six
Columbus shops land on ATF's lists for selling guns to criminals.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Well, it's not unbelievable because we've seen this this kind
of bs all the time now, all the.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Time, Bob. And when I look this year, so we
got notified last month that we were on this program
another year. This time there were twenty six guns on
the list. Okay, remember the thresholds. Twenty five, twenty six
guns on the list. I started calling people that bought
the guns here and said, hey, why did this gun
end up in police custody? One person? Get this person

(34:00):
had it taken away due to a mental episode. Okay, fine,
that's fine, it's in police custody. I would argue, it's
not a crime gun. But they passed the background check
at the time and everything else. But we get dinged,
so they get it taken away within a week, they
get their gun back, which by itself is just crazy, right,
They get it taken away the next day, so it

(34:22):
gets traced again. Two dings, two dings, l epd. It
gets better though, one person. Let's say, two customers had
their firearms stolen out of the cars in Columbus. Matter
of fact, one of them had the whole RN car
stolen out of Columbus. We know what's going on with
Columbus and stolen cars. Two customers, ding ding ding. Sorry,

(34:42):
LPD boom, you're on the list for crime guns that
you sold. Two three customers had their guns confiscated out
of an OVI. Certainly not advocating having a firearm in
your car if you get popped for OVI, right, But again,
not our problem. Yeah, not our problem. I was a
legal person that we sold it to. But that's what

(35:03):
they're using to justify it there.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Make it sound like these guns were used in the
homicide or something like that, and you know.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
That's the USA Today article.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, you know, well, I mean this sounds like I
mean depended upon what the articles say. Sounds like a
lawsuit here, I know, absolutely defamation of that.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I know, it just.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Means but it takes time and money and resources. And yeah,
you know I reached out to you know, local well
spolized to the president.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Well yeah, hold on, there's a real easy solution to
this problem right now is to get an ATF director
that understands that they should be going after criminals and
not law abiding citizens, and that means electing Donald J.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Trun president.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
There you go, And that was the point. Elections matter.
We didn't have this issue this, I mean, we are
above board. Whatever we do. If we make a mistake,
we own it. Yeah, we've made mistakes, but this is crap.
This is crap. Putting us on the list of a
top gun storre to sell guns at criminals, it's crap.
There you go, Bob. Well, hey, let's jump to a

(36:08):
break because we can get on the back. On the
other side. We're going to talk to Bob Paduccick and
talk to him about the Trump campaign, the RFK endorsement,
and much much more. W' on Target Broadcasting live from
the studios of LAPD Farms Arrange. We'll be back after
the break. Welcome back to on Target. I'm here's Eric
joined today in the l EPD studios. I got big
ed to my right, I got Trump senior ad fighter

(36:31):
Bob Patucchick and good friend to my left. You're a
good friend, Bob.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Now for a while I had a good customer and
a good customer.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yes. Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
You know, it's always good to see and you have
such great insight and stuff. For the rest of the show,
I want to talk a little bit about the campaign,
how the things are going. Uh, talk about what the
wod you think the impact of rfk's announcement yesterday. I
I couldn't believe how powerful his speech was. I was
standing there saying, you know what, I don't agree with
this guy on a lot of things, but I don't

(37:00):
mind if he's in there as part of the administration.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
I mean, fine, Well, here, here's the thing about this
is that you know, you had had the culmination of
weeks of Kamala Harris getting all of this laudatory coverage
from the media and and listen if you had questions
about you know, I remember twenty thirty years ago in
politics complaining about liberal media bias and nobody believe in me.

(37:26):
If you don't see it now, if you don't see
how the legacy media is just a communications arm of
the Democratic Party and no difference than Soviet Russian press,
you need to have your head examined. And you know,
so if you look at the culmination of weeks of
that and a Democrat convention that was produced by Hollywood

(37:46):
to be something of little substance and a lot of flash,
even so that they're lying about Beyonce coming out and
doing a comedy company here before. Oh oh, that's right,
that's a special guest about that surprise, I mean, and
so so all of that was like you expected that
to carry through the weekend in the next week, and
then Robert F. Kennedy comes out, makes his announcement and

(38:07):
just kills it. I mean that changed the narrative. I mean,
we're in such a short so that's an aspect of it.
I think that gets lost on some people that you
really created a situation where you've taken the Democrats off
message and put the focus on something entirely. It's kind
of resets the race.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
To be honest, it does, and I you know, I
like we said, I kind of off air too. There's
a lot of his policies that I look at and
I kind of cringe, But he sounds like us, Bob,
when you talk about protecting the First Amendment, protecting our
constitutional rights, securing the border. I mean, there's a lot
of similarities there. Let's expound on that.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Well, there are a lot of Democrats out there, and
some of them may be former Democrats now that understand
that we're a constitutional republic and we have a constitution
that means something, and you may not be happy with
all the things that it means, but it means those
things for a reason. And they're like what you would
consider the Democrats that when you know, my mom was

(39:04):
a Democrat thirty years ago, or the Democrats have voted
for John F.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Kennedy.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. If you
think about back back in the sixties and John F.
Kennedy and his brother and his uncle ru Yeah in office,
they left, the Democrats didn't go off the rails until
what Nixon.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Got in there. Yeah, Well then it went.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
Crazy and it's gone crazy ever since even farther left.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Well, it was like the hippie culture back then, and
now what's happened is the hippie cultures running the Democrat Party.
It's all about this social issues and culture war and
all this other crazy stuff. And that's why, you know,
and this is an evolution. This is almost what we
talked about like Republicans trying to win in Franklin County
or something like that, is that these these evolutions and

(39:49):
political parties take time, you know. And it started with
Trump and his America First message, which really resonated in Ohio.
Well that's picking up you know, working class Democrats that
would never vote Republican but now voting Republican.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Because they like what they hear.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
And you have other people that that that care about,
like RFK that understand what we have now is a
Justice Department that is a political weapon for Democrats and
establishment uh uh you know the Washington d C elite
that that that includes some Republicans frankly, and all of

(40:25):
them are anti Trump Republicans. So you're starting to see
kind of a jeling or coming together of of of
the folks on the left that are constitutional purists. And
look at a I can't think of the guy named
the uh the lawyer, the big famous liberal lawyer who
helped founded the A c ou was Gershowitz, there we go,

(40:47):
thank you. That's why you have a studio audience. And
Dershowitz look at that guy, same kind of thing, they
they If you're a reasonable person, you look at what
the Justice Department and what the Democrats did against President
Trump with law fair and you say this, this is
not America, this is not right right.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
And same thing with people that support RFK. So that's
why I think.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
We get two out of uh, you know, two to
one out of those voters come over and vote for
Trump and maybe the rest of them vote for Jill
Stein or somebody else or whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
It doesn't matter. But it shows the.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Range of Trump's voice to bring different constituencies that normally
wouldn't even be part of the Republican I.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Love that, And I loved when RFK said that I
reached out to the Harris campaign and they wouldn't return
a call. Sure, I mean, I you know that that
I think just goes to show you the soul of
President Trump.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
You know, even worse, do you see what?

Speaker 4 (41:41):
There was something that came out from quote unquote the
Kennedy family that just hammered RFK Junior for supporting President Trump.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Well they didn't even want him to run.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
I know, but but that's that shows you the kind
of power that that that the Democrat Party has.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
And didn't see and then cut it off half.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Of Oh yeah, yeah, they were doing an interview or
they were covering his speech and he gets to the
part where he talks about the legacy media and how
they harassed him and harangued him and were unfairly treating him,
and you know, they quickly started cutting it off. You know,
they talked over him, they shut it down, they went
to other coverage because again they when they can't control

(42:24):
the narrative, they shut it down.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yep, it's crazy. But we have about a minute left here.
Talk for a second about the support for President Trump
from law enforcement, you know, you see, and then we
talked about it the one share from the border. You
see our own sheriff here in Franklin County on ads
for Sharon Brown. I mean, I can't imagine being a

(42:48):
law enforcement officer and not being for him or what
are you seeing out there?

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Well here's what That's actually an area that I advised
the president on. So I did this in twenty twenty.
I did all the law enforcement outreach and the union outreach.
Doing the law enforcement outreach again this time it's relatively easy.
We've gotten endorsements already from AYOUPA and NAPO to the biggest.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Unions.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
We've got an FOP endorsement vote that's going to take
place on the sixth of the September. We feel really
good about that. And that's a grassroots effort. The way
that they pull their support as they talk to their
member lodges throughout the country that communicate to the state lodges,
and the state lodges communicate and each state votes based
on what the states do. Like I said, we've received

(43:35):
that endorsement in twenty twenty and twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
We hope to receive it again.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Now, you know what the Border Patrol though in tours by? Oh,
is that what he said?

Speaker 8 (43:44):
Now?

Speaker 3 (43:45):
I thought that was taken away that way.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I don't think you know what he was confusing.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
It was is there were some Border Patrol agents that
supported that law that they were trying to pass on
immigration reform, because there were some things in there that
they that kind of cover the unions.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
But I think right after he said that the Border
Patrol tweeted it out. Yeah yeah, guys, man, the hours
go by question. Thanks so much for being with you.
Got to come back before the election, and we'll certainly
talk to you one way or the other before then. Guys,
next week we are pre empted. No show. Watched the
buck Eyes play actor and I believe.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yes, go zips hey, I went to school there.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Come on, gos right, I'll give that to you. We
still like you. Thanks for spending the time with us.
Stop I and see us here. We got so much
going on. I didn't even get to because some of
the guns we have here that happens.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
We got too much news.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
There you go, and as always, guys, as always, let's
be careful out there.
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