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December 28, 2024 • 36 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Here are some things that got under my skin at
the end of twenty twenty four. Please bear with me
as I air some grievances in honor of Festivus. Every
town for Gun confiscation or every town without a Gun,
or whatever they call themselves these days, it seems to
be a fraud. I don't doubt the pain of some

(00:23):
of its members who have lost loved ones or a
child into the violence in the streets. But I'm telling
you the organization has all the makings of a fraud
praying on the weak minded. Do you remember during the
election all the emails, texts, and college you got from
politicians needing money. Hey, we haven until midnight tonight to

(00:43):
raise a million dollars. Just donate what you can because
the other side is gaining ground. Or my favorite, your
local celebrity is going to double all donations tonight. But
you must act now because we're behind in fundraising. This
is for my email just this morning. You guessed it
from Michael Bloomberg. After last month's the election, right wing

(01:06):
gun extremism is on the march. So from now until
the end of the year, I will triple your generous
donation when you give to every Town for Gun Safety
Action Fund to support its critical work. Thank you for
being part of the national movement, Mike Bloomberg. When I
tell you I've received similar emails three times a week
from this organization, I'm probably underestimating it because I lose

(01:29):
count of how many times I hit the delete button. Now,
if they want to support chains, they will have measurable results.
And if they want to join with pro gun people
who support safe, responsible ownership of firearms, then I'll listen.
But until then I would love to see their financials
because it just does not seem to add up. I

(01:49):
do get a chuckle, though, every time I get their
emails because I intentionally signed up for their newsletter with
my LPD Firearms and Range email address. January sixth, two
thousand and five, Officer Brian Hurst was working special duty
after the holidays at the fifth third Bank on East
broad Street. A US Marine veteran, he had been with

(02:11):
the Columbus Police for about eight years, had a wife
and a six month year old daughter. On that day,
Darryl Lawrence, a local thug, entered the bank with his
intent to rob it and immediately started shooting at Officer Hurts.
The officer was shot and killed during the robbery, unselfishly
protecting the customers and workers inside. Even in his injured state,

(02:35):
Officer Hurst was able to return fire, hitting Lawrence and
ultimately leading to his arrest a few days later. It
was determined during the trial that Lawrence chose to murder
the thirty three year old officer rather than simply turn
and leave the bot's robbery behind. He was rightfully sentenced
to death to the federal prison system last week on

(02:56):
December twenty third, President Biden discs, well, give the killer
a break and commute his sentence to life in prison.
This year, we must start to again highlight the distinction
between what is right and what is wrong, and we
most hold those accountable for the most haindous of crimes
amongst us. There has to be consequences for actions. Again,

(03:20):
there has to be a deterrence our law and order
will further slip away from our cities. FBI Nick's system
in the ATF no system is perfect. I get it.
And when it comes to running background checks on an
individual to determine if he or she can legally possess
a firearm, the first line of defense and keeping firearms
out of the hands of criminals. We have continued to

(03:43):
let society down. We have previously reported that five or
six thousand times a year the front line system misses
the mark and a firearm is allowed to be sold
to someone we have determined, through predetermined guidelines, cannot own
or possess a firearm, or even own or purchase ammunition. Now,

(04:04):
I'm not going to blame ATF for NIX or even
the thousands of entry points in Ohio that feed data
to the system. But in this day and age, when
technology is so advanced that we can turn our credit
cards off at the first signs of fraud, or have
a vehicle drive itself on our roadways, how do we
justify not being able to fix the issues within the system.

(04:28):
Imagine this a lawful firearms retailer, let's say, one that
has close ties to law enforcement and conducts themselves in
a lawful manner. Imagine one of these prohibited individuals being
able to walk out the door with an ar pistol,
only to find out later that person should have been denied.

(04:48):
Agencies now scrambling to creve the firearm from a prohibited individual.
It's just not right, and really it's unacceptable. Let's fix
the system and control we can control in this industry,
because there's always going to be things outside of our control.
Take this out of the hands of government. We'd have

(05:08):
it corrected within months. Chicago stats. We need to push
back on the years of rhetoric and agendas and identify
and remedy the problem in these cities. It is not racist, discriminatory,
or anything else. It is a fact, and as Americans,
we have an obligation to fix it. If it was

(05:29):
happening in the Asian community, we would need to fix it.
If it was happening within the Italian community, we would
need to fix it. If it were those white people,
I would say we would need to fix it, But
statistically it is the black and Hispanic communities that are struggling.
But everyone is scared to say it. We need to
fix it, too. Many good people in these communities are

(05:52):
being terrorized twice by the thugs that run the streets
and then by the system that lift them out time
and time and time again to run the streets. I
just don't get why we call someone a racist or
call them it discriminatory. Bring out the problems. We need
to hold everyone accountable to the same high ethical standard

(06:14):
of how they act in society and when they break laws,
we need to enforce consequences to protect those who are
law abiding. Just way too the here the Chicago stats
later today. This year, we have to do better. We
need to legitimately help those communities in need and stop
allowing some politicians' agenda to stand in the way. You're

(06:38):
gonna love this one. As I was doing some Christmas
shopping with my family this year, we began, we began
to enter a large, very popular retail store. We began
to enter the store that had this sign prominently displayed
on the front window. Welcome. Okay, that's nice. Welcome. As

(06:59):
a meis member of our community. We expect you to
join us. We expect you to join us. They have
an expectation that we're going to join them. Not that
we hope you join us, or we encourage you to
join us, or will you please join us, but we

(07:20):
expect you to join us in acting with humanity, respect,
and empathy towards everyone. We We do not tolerate racism, discrimination, harassment,
or hate. Wow, I guess it's just not the place
for me because because we're against showing respect and empathy

(07:41):
towards everyone and that racism, discrimination and harassment thing. We
were actually talking about it with the family on the
ride over. I told the kids, we need to increase
our discrimination and harassment of people. The kids said, Dad,
who are we harassingent? I said, I don't care. Just
find someone to harassment. If you see anyone, anyone that
doesn't look like you, you know what to do. Cut in
front of a in line who puts this nonsense on

(08:04):
the front door of a retail store and think scolding
their customers is okay? Who do they think they are?
And I would like to know what discrimination, harassment, hate
or other crap they're referencing, because I tell you, I
could care less what people look like, and my friends
and my family could care less as well. It is
the content of their character that I use for judgment.

(08:26):
Doesn't matter to me, to my family, my friends, who
you worship, who you date, or what you look like.
The only people I have a deep disdain for in
our society are those that hurt others, take from others,
and who otherwise terrorize our communities. I certainly don't discriminate
with them, and I could care less about any of
their physical or cultural attributes. I will gladly place the

(08:48):
cuffs on any thug harming others and terrorizing the good people.
And what an insult to me and my family and
to others who stop to read the sign. I know
the company could care less, but they'll never see am
for my family. We expect you to join us, give
me a break and go pull your mask back up.

(09:09):
And finally, I probably we will end with probably the
most important event from twenty twenty four that gives us hope.
We have so much to be thankful for this year,
with the re election to President Trump. And of course
he's not always perfect, and I certainly don't advocate agreeing
with him on everything he does, but he knows what
it means to be an American. Not a day goes

(09:30):
by the last two months where I haven't been given
hope that we will once again separate right from wrong,
hold evil at bay, do the right thing for all communities,
think of others before self, and show the world that
our strength is in our unity. We are one nation
under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all, and

(09:52):
now it's time to show it again to the world.
Happy New Year. A two hour on target is next.
Good afternoon, Welcome to all ontargoer. We're broadcasting live from
the studios of LAPD Firearms Range and Training Facility that's
located at nine ninet nine Triple nine, Bethel Road. I

(10:12):
am your host Eric. My father Phil was in the
audience there he is, Hey, Pap, Paul yep and I
have a big ed sitting to my ride there he is.
How are you ed? Wonderful you're down out of the
tree stands.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I am all right just for this weekend, next weekend,
I will not be here again again again. All right, Wait,
first's not like I'm not like some people call off
the last minute on that two hours show.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Hey, we do.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
We do.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Got to give a shout out to Ron Wilson. Hope
he's feeling better. Just a little under the weather today,
but we appreciate it because it gives us an extra hour.
And we also got to give a shout out to
our good friend j C who is little under the
weather today. I know he is, you know what I can.
He was under the weather in Michigan. No, he's local,
but the thing he is is even at his sickest,
the states, and he sounded Crumby yesterday, believe me, two

(10:59):
o'clock in the morning, and what do I get? I
get a list of stories from John So I appreciated. Jac. Guys,
we are the owners of LAPD Firearms Range and training
facility in our active in law enforcement, but for one
hour on Saturdays, we put together a group of firearm
experts to discuss new products in the market, training tips,
and oftentimes political topics surrounding the Second Amendment. Our commander, though,
has always been to bring you facts about our industry

(11:21):
and help listeners and customers with safe, responsible ownership of firearms.
Today on the show, Today, on the two Hours Show,
here's what we got coming up. My buddy Richie's calling in.
Actually I think he's on the line now, you there, Richie.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
I am, I am on picchingly sitting here.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Look at that. My buddy Richie finally decides to call
back in and I'll get to you in a second.
Though I talk about airing of grievances. Never hear from
you anymore. But anyways, my buddy Richie's gonna talk to
some news with us. We want to hear a little
bit about his new job and some of the cool
things he's doing there. At eleven thirty, Jake, actually, our

(11:57):
sales manager who many of you probably dealt with in
the store, is gonna come over and we're gonna talk optics.
It's something that's kind of been long overdue. Actually, it's
been a couple of years ed since we've talked about it.
So much has changed, so popular, it's so popular and
it is something you really should consider. And we're gonna
talk that from beginning to end. That's gonna come up
at eleven thirty. At noon, we're gonna switch gears to

(12:19):
All on Target Law and Order, and my good friend
Lieutenant Brian Steele from CPD is gonna come in. We're
gonna do a year in wrap up. We're gonna talk
about all kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Actually coming into the studio. Oh yeah, wow, it'd be
great to see him again, especially since the new year.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yep. So we're gonna talk to him. And then at
twelve thirty we're gonna get to a Chicago update and
wrap up of the year as well. So I'm gonna
wait for that. We're gonna play stump ed because you'll
wait to hear some of those stats. But I think
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LPD training facility. All who make the show possible each week. Guys,

(12:56):
let's go to a break and we come back. We're
gonna get to my buddy Richie. We're on Talking broadcasting
live from the studios of LPD Farms Arranged. We'll be
back right after the break. Welcome back to Talking. I'm
here's Derek joined today in the live studio. I got
big ed to my right. I got my buddy Richie.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Right one hundred and three.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Hey, before Ritchie, before you go to Richie, yep.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I have to ask, are you running a all ladies
class firearms today?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
I saw about twenty females, beautiful women walking by here
and then they turned around and walk back into the class.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yes, no, it's actually the classes are packed right now.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
So you are putting on a class for all females.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Well, it wasn't all females. Maybe there's females in it,
but it wasn't an all females. Didn't see any guys,
rich where have you been?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
You know?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I want to start by saying, you know your monologue said,
the highlight of twenty twenty four was Donald Trump. I
thought you were going to say it was me being
on the final show of the year. I just want
to let you know it kind of hurt me a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
You know what I mean? Where have you been? You
used to be a staple. I don't hear from you. You
don't call, you don't write well.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
After after close to fifteen years of working with Interstate
Arms in Massachusetts, I took a job at the amaskeg
Auction Company, which is two point four miles away from
where I live. And I'm going to be honest with you,
I'm sixty one years old and I've done a lot.
This is the greatest job I have ever had. The

(14:28):
things I have been able to see and touch and
learn about is just there's no way to measure it.
And then when I was hired as a air quote
firearms specialist, I said, well, I know everything about guns.
I go to work for this company. I don't know
anything about coonism and the hundreds of years of manufacturing.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Rich and that. For those who who know you, that's
amazing to hear you say that, because I mean, I
look to you a lot of time for no and
everything about guns. And to hear you say that you're learning, Wow,
I mean that truly is a remarkable statement.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
You know, I threw a number up in the air
one day. There probably is over half a million different
variations of firearms that have been manufactured since day one,
from everything from hunting, the sporting, to military style to
target shooting. The craftsmanship, the European craftsmanship that I've been
able to look at and compare to today's count it's

(15:28):
almost heartbreaking that we don't have this type of craftsmanship anymore.
It's just I could sit here and take up two
hours of your show telling you some of the things
that I've had the pleasure of seeing and touching, and
then doing the research on it and finding the background
of either the previous owner or the history of that

(15:49):
particular firearm. It's just amazing. I go home every night
and I just, like I said, it's the greatest job
I've ever had.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Rich. You know what, maybe we should do that come January,
do a show where you just jump on and talk
about some of these because I mean, I know you
and I talked throughout the weekend. I mean, some of
them are just fascinating and not just what they are,
but where they came from and the history behind us.
Maybe we should do that.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
But that sounds great, I mean, just real quickly. I mean,
I've held Audie Murphy's shotgun, and everyone who's a gun
guy military, they know who Audie Murphy is. I've held
his personal monogram shotgun. I've held Josephine Irp's a czar
twenty two pistol, Josephine Irth, wife wife of Wyatt Earth.

(16:35):
Just two off the top of my head, Nike. Once again,
I can go on and on and on just a
history that I've had, and my specialty is anything from
nineteen fourteen to nineteen forty five. That that's what I
do for a hobby. That's what my background is. So
that's most of the military stuff that hits my desk
is not only fire arms, but also a lot of

(16:55):
accessories and ephemera and memorabilia that was collected by the
veterans that they took home from World War Two. But
it's just it's just absolutely amazing.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
And yeah, I'm sure Rich after seeing some of the
things you're seeing now, you probably turn to your collection
and think to yourself, man, there's so many more things
that you could get for it and do it to
increase it.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
I have no more room in my safe, thank you
very much, and I am not buying another one this year, right, yeah,
this year. It's amazing. And the funny thing is is
real quickly, give me thirty seconds. This auction house that
I work for has what's called a live auction and
a timed auction. The live auction has the auctioneer that

(17:39):
gets up and he does the rambling and goes through
the bids and lapa bah. We have a timed auction
which is accessible via the Internet. It's very similar to
eBay and gun broker, where you can go on you
can place auctions and there are some amazing killer deals,
especially for modernized fire rounds, because from an auction house
point of view, they deal with rare and take with

(18:00):
ease and historical firearms. But we do get a lot
of modern firearms that end up in the timed auction.
So there's ammunition, there's holsters, there's optics, there's lights, there's guns.
It's just amazing. You can get a hell of a deal.
And some people think that an auction house or you
can lose your shirt. No, I've seen some insane deals
go through the time to auction where I've walked out

(18:20):
the door going I can't believe I didn't bid on
that because I loot it for pennies on the dollar.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
And how do people find that?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Rich amazkeg auction dot com. They can go there, they
can log in, create an account. They will have to
put down a credit card. It's like any other auction
house and once the auctions are live, there is a
two week viewing period. If you're local to New Hampshire,
you can actually come in and physically see the firearms

(18:47):
or accessories that you're looking to purchase or looking to
bid on, and then you can do all the online bidding.
It's very similar to gun broker, and once you win
the bid, we will ship it to a local FFL
f FL dealer near you.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Great, well, Richie, we are going to have to jump
to the news, but let's uh, let's let's circle back
around and do a show on some of the things
you're seeing because I think it's worth worthwhile and I
think people would really appreciate hearing some of the neat
things that are still out there and available.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Absolutely, well, all right, Richie, you have a good new year.
Thank you so much for jumping on, and next time
we'll do a whole half an hour segment.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Sounds great.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Hey, Richie, before you go, since you were dropping the
name here, I know someone and I've held a pistol
that was previously owned by Jack Ruby. Rich has too
that floating around?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, I think Richie has as well. All Right, rich
have a good rest of your day, be safe this
new year, and I'll catch you next year.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
All right, boughna take care where everyone yep.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
My buddy Richie. Guys, the jump to the bottom of
the hour news we get back is all about optics,
and when I mean all it is all about optics.
You're not gonna want to miss it. We're on talking
broadcasting a lot from the studios of LAPD Farms and Range.
We'll be back right after the news. Welcome back to
on Target. I'm your host, Eric joined today. Actually we
no longer have Richie on the line, but it's myself.
I got big ed to my right, JC little under

(20:20):
the weather. Polpul is leaving the facility apparently. You know,
we still got like an hour and a half left
of the show. We don't care. He don't he said,
was born. He's got to get home through his dogs. Yeah.
But since we went into break, we have our sales manager,
Jake back with us. Jake give n't been on for
a minute now.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
It's been at least a month month.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Or so, that's all it's been. Well, you know, so
I wanted to have you on because there is something
and I'm admittedly so I'm a little slow to take
up new things. I mean, it's just recently that I
broke from the leather holsters to kind of go to
the Kai Dex And I mean I'm a little bit
you know, I don't know what. I don't want to
say old school, but I'm a little bit slow to
adapt to some of the new stuff. But optics have

(21:02):
come to a point now with firearms that it almost
goes synonymous with most guns. We sell the conversation at
least about man, do I need an optic on this?
Or what can an optic do for me? For those
who don't know anything about what I'm talking about, tell
us a little bit about this trend of putting an
optic on your handgun.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Well, it's it's definitely not a new thing by any means.
I mean, you know, the classic like your Triger Coon
RMR has been around for you know, almost twenty years now.
It's becoming more popular to the point where you know,
people are buying guns, you know, whether they get the
optic that day, that they want it to be optic

(21:43):
ready so that they could purchase it down in the future,
down the road. It does. You know, it's a little
bit of an expenditure on top of buying a gun
and mags and holsters and everything like that, but it's definitely,
you know, the most popular thing.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
And when you say optic ready, that's an important notation
because it in recent times, many many, many of the
models that we sell are optic ready. And all that
means is that there is a plate forward of the
rear sight that is removable. You don't have to remove,
but it's removable if you wanted to put an optic
on it in the future. That wasn't always the case.

(22:20):
In you know, three four years ago, we were having
a lot of people say I have this gun and
I want to put an optic on it, and we
were pointing them to have it cut and researe coated
and all that stuff. That's not the case anymore.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, back in the day, you either had to send
it off to have the slide cut, or you know,
take it somewhere physically and drop it off and you know,
to a machine shop and have them mill that out
to receive an optic Now, most guns either just it's
standard that they come optic ready or it's an option
from the factory, and optic ready just means that it

(22:54):
has some sort of facility, it's already pre milled to
receive that some time type of red dot set.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
And so when you talk about these red dots, so
this is I mean, it's really slick versus when you
look at the traditional sites of a pill. A couple
of different things come to mind when you're looking at
how they worked. The word closed admitter open emitter get
tossed around a lot. Tell us a little bit about
when you're looking at an optic and this is an
illuminated dot on the optic, Why would I look at

(23:24):
a closed emitter versus an open emitter? And what are
we looking at?

Speaker 4 (23:27):
So as far as how they work, they all work
the same way. You basically have a for epistol optics especially,
they all basically work the exact same way. So there
is a led emitter, which projects a dot onto the screen.
Only you can see it, and basically that just becomes
your point of aim. The difference between an open emitter
site like this and an enclosed variety is simply an

(23:54):
additional pane of glass on the back of the optic.
It encapsulates the emitter, doesn't let any kind of dust, debris,
belly button, lent, whatever you got going on, get in
there and acclude that dot so that you cannot see it.
It can also generally the enclosed emitters there are also

(24:15):
nitrogen purge, so they are basically weather proofed. That's not
always done perfectly, but weather proof so you don't get
fog or anything in there in different weather conditions.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
So the close emitters are the ones you see out
there that I always it looks like you have a
little mailbox on your gun. That's what traditionally is what
the closed emitters look like. Correct.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah, Yeah, They're gonna be definitely more of a box
versus kind of an l shape, and realistically profile wise,
they are, you know, essentially identical to a open emitter optic.
It's just you draw a line from the top of
the covering of the lens back to the rear of

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the unit, and it's encapsulated, so it doesn't actually take
up any more space. In fact, something like this delta
point pro from loophold here is actually going to sit
a little bit higher than majority of your enclosed devestimenters.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Does Do they all work the same? I mean, are
they all just to dot? You have a dot in
the circles? Are different radicals that you can choose from?

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, so you've got different radical options and within LED
you know, it's it's actually a little bit more limiting
than a laser based system like a holographic. Unfortunately, holographics
at this point can't really be miniaturized to this size.
So for your pistol optics, you're looking at just red

(25:44):
dots and you can cut that radical to different sizes, shapes, colors, rightness. Yeah,
generally we're going to have adjustable brightness pretty much across
the board. Some of your less expensive sites are going
to be you know, fixed.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
But you can get them with a circle with a
dot in the middle as well. Does do green versus red?
I mean both of those are out there?

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, green versus read? I mean basically personal preference.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Is there when when some of these dots initially came out,
especially for the rifles. We talked about it, we did
a show on it, and the green dot was known
to take more battery life. Is that still a thing?

Speaker 4 (26:26):
I mean, is there generally speak for laser based systems.
Green is a higher draw. It is going to drain
your battery faster. Okay, uh and then led that's not
the case. So like you'll see, you know, holl of
suns for instance, very fantasy that like all their models,
you can get in either a red or green, same

(26:46):
quoted battery life related, same batteries, everything like that.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
So why is it that it change drains the battery
on some more than the other end of the green green?

Speaker 4 (26:55):
So lasers have different wavelength outputs, and green takes more
power to generate, so it's gonna draw and drain your
battery quicker.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
So have they made them easier to have they done
anything as far as the ease of using I mean,
I noticed when they first came out, when I had
tried one, I had a heck of a time trying
to find that dot.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Well not really, I mean, they work the same way,
so it's gonna be the same. Some of this stuff like,
for instance, I have this guy up here I brought
for an example, this is Daniel defense H nine that
we have in here, you know, a little shameless plug
for those about these in stock now. But this particular

(27:38):
one has a hall of Sun five oh seven comp
on there. And this is an optic with a larger window,
more of a competition style. It allows you to track
that dot through recoil a little bit easier. There are
also some different radicals that you can get from. For instance,
there's a series of all of sudden optics that are

(28:01):
a partnership with Primary Arms where they use a version
of their ACSS radical and it basically has a gigantic
circle in there that you will not see unless your
optic is misaligned, and it will basically the radical itself
will tell you to move.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Which ready to go. And that's a good point ed
because people think, and you shoot these with both eyes open. Yes,
most people think this is going to be easy. I'm
going to get it in so many times. I mean,
we're transitioning a lot of agencies to these. Even our
own agency went to them. And the guys will get
up there and it's like they're fishing. I mean, like Okay,
where's the dot? Where's that? And you have to get
back to your basics. And there's some basic techniques that

(28:41):
if you use and you practice practice at home, you'll
you'll get it quicker. And once you do get it down,
and those who have bought into it and practiced with it,
they become very accurate. I mean, it increases the accuracy
that we're seeing on the qualification line. So it's a
good thing, I mean it, and it's a it's not
just for law enforcement, it's for anyone. And one quick

(29:02):
note on battery life. I mean, these batteries are lasting
for a long time now with these right.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Oh yeah, we've got i mean five years is just
about the industry standard nowadays, fifty thousand hours. But we've
got optics that are going up to ten. You know,
Hollisuan's got their SCS offerings that are you know, a
solar array supercapacitor that don't even use batteries. The electronics

(29:28):
package will obviously do grade but theoretically they could if
it didn't, they could run forever just like that. So
a battery life is not really a concern as far
as you know. Some quality of life improvements. Most optics
are going away from bottom loading.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Batteries as well, and that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
You have to actually remove the site and replace to
replace the battery and then put it back on and
then have to confirm zero and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Right, Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Have either like a tray or a battery cap that
you pop.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
And right and that zero. I mean, certainly it's not
difficult to zero them yourselves. But for the thirty or
forty bucks that the gunsmith here charges, it's worth it.
He does it all day long. You can tell him
what you know, distance, you want it cited too, and
he does it, and he puts it right there so you
don't have to struggle with it and spend ammunition doing it. So, guys,

(30:20):
we're wanna jump to a break. When we come back,
we're gonna continue our conversation with our sales manager Jake
about optics. We're gonna talk about a little bit about
the different manufacturers that are out there and the differences
between them. We're all talking at broadcasting live from the
studios of LPED Firearms and Arranged. We'll be back right
after the break. Welcome back to on Target. I'm here's
Derek joined it in the LPD studios. I have big
ed to my right. I have our sales manager, Jake.

(30:44):
I was gonna say all around, good guy. I guess
I could say that it Actually somebody else stumbled upon
the set. I got Lieutenant Brian Steele sitting here with me.
Good to see your brothers, Good to see you as well.
So when we went into break, Jake, we're talking about
optics and why you need to consider an optic on
your firearms. Talk about the mounting systems. I mean, do
these there's a bunch of different optics out there. Do

(31:05):
they all mount the same way? No, there are a.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Number of different footprints of optics, is what they call them.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
So you know that different.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
There's like similar families of mounting system right. So you
know I've got three of the most popular ones up
here today. So I have the u RMR footprint. This
is actually the new Trigicon r CR, which is enclosed
emitter that fits on the standard arm R foot print,
which is pretty cool. We've got the aim Point ACRO

(31:36):
very popular. There's a lot of other optic companies that
are using that footprint as well. Now, and then I
would say the third most popular is going to be
the delta point pro footprint, so all of your loophold optics,
your sig optics use that as far as the standard
sized sites go. What I don't have up here is
the hollow K or RMSC footprint, which is is going

(32:00):
to be for your smaller your slim line guns, shield
plus B three sixty.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Five stuff like that. Dude, So do when you buy that,
when you purchase the firearm, are they coming with these
plates or is this something you have to consider to
purchase afterwards.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Yeah, so it depends. So some of some guns are
pre cut when they're optic ready for a particular optic footprint,
and you need to know what that is, so you
don't understand what optics you're gonna have available to actually
mount on there. Some like the MOS or MRD from
GLOCK or FN are going to come as pre cut

(32:36):
as a modular system. So I have a couple of
examples of those up here. So this is like a
complete These actually don't come in with the glocks anymore.
They usually just include one mounting plate with them. They
got a little cheap on us, but uh, they used
to come with all four of these, which were at
the time the foremost common mounting footprints for different optics.

(33:00):
And then I have a kit here from FN as well,
which is actually a much more in depth kit. They
come with a lot more stuff as well as instructions
and what screws to use with each optic. So not
all of those modular systems are kind of created equal,
and in fact most people with the clocks end up

(33:20):
going with aftermarket plates. The FN is extremely rigid out
of the box show.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
And you have to be careful a little bit. I mean,
we have the gunsmith mount those here because some of
those screws are pretty delicate. We have all the time
we're having people overtightening him breaking off screws in the gun.
I mean, it's something you have to be careful when
you do. It's certainly not difficult, but just something if
you don't do every day, you have to watch a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Yeah, if you're gonna go over like you know good
and hand tight, you really want to look up those
torksbacks because you know, small screws like that super easy
to strip out.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
So Jake, if I put an optic on my fire,
I am I gonna be struggling to get a holster
now absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
No, I would say, you know, ninety percent of all
holsters nowadays come just standard as optic ready holsters.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
And that's pretty much.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
That's almost completely true for k X holsters, and it's
becoming almost universal for even leather holsters now.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
So in the last minute, here a bunch of different
manufacturers out there. Do you get a difference in quality
when you spend more when you get an aim point
versus a HOLI sin or versus a site mark or
a vortex. Is there a Are we gonna notice a difference? Yes?
Really short answer, yes, okay, So is it worth to

(34:34):
spend a little bit more in your opinion for what
you see?

Speaker 4 (34:37):
You know, everybody's got to work within their own budget,
but if you have the budget to get a nicer site,
it would behoove you to not cheap out on it. Basically,
you know, we're we're talking about firearms, especially if we're
carrying them. Is this life saving equipment? You know, put
some put some money into it, get the get the
good stuff trained with it.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
And when we talking about the you're mainly the tragacon
is the eotechs aim points Loopold's Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Those are the big name brands. I mean, the Hall
Sun stuff is pretty good as well. You know, you
see some QC issues every once in a while, but
I would you know, personally, I stick to the big
three A point tragic con loophold.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Okay, and you see any any future models coming out
that's going to change the market or is it more
just just uh, you know, improving opponent's out there.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Basically just iterations of what's what's out there right now.
Kind of the biggest thing these days is you know,
working on improvements in you know, battery life and stuff
like that. I mean, the the technology has been around
so long, it's it's pretty you know, standardized in terms
of function and form factor and stuff like that. But
you know, eventually we'll probably see just built in, you know,

(35:52):
without having to use batteries or just run forever and ever,
but not quite yet.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Good it just stop me and csm our guys are
very well versed in that, Jake, and there's a ton
about it. If you're having difficulties in deciding what to get,
if you should get one, we should get it for
a carry pistol. It's extremely popular now. We sell a
lot of them, a lot of discussions every time people
buy guns. Thanks for jumping on with us, Jake, and
always good to see you here and stop by and
see Jake. Yeah. Absolutely, guys are going to jump to

(36:19):
the top of the hour news when we come back.
We're going to get to our good friend Lieutenant Brian
Steele talk a little bit about what is
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