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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, let's bring in owner of LAPD and host
of on Target, Eric Delbert joining me now, Eric, welcome
again to the Mark Blazer Show.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
How you been brother?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We're great over here. How are you guys been?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I like to tell people when they asked me that
if I'm feeling chipper, I'll say if I was any better,
I'd cancel my insurance, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So that's yeah, I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Pretty good actually, you know, considering. So how's things going,
how's business?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It's good, It's good, unfortunately, and this is you know,
this is just how it goes. We're starting to see
and in the industry a little bit of what occurred
during President Trump's first term, and that is just the hair.
The start of a Trump slump is simply because people
aren't as concerned about their safety, you know, as they
(00:47):
are during other times. So you know, that translates into
sales sometimes and people taking classes, although I mean it's
still pretty busy, but the industry wide though, we're starting
to see that.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I think it's also interesting too that you guys offer
classes for you know, for CCW people who.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Want to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Clearly, you know, with Ohio being and what open carry
is that how you say.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That, I think that were permitless carry.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Permitless carry, Yeah, yeah, I just you know, I would
imagine that it's dropped off some because well, you do
have reciprocity if you do go ahead and go through
and get the license, you have that with other states
and all of those things. But yeah, I just wondered,
if you know, you hit a roof for a finite
amount of people that you know really are in that market.
(01:32):
But then I started thinking, well, no, you got people
growing up getting a little older who are younger when
maybe you started out doing that, and maybe they're always
going to kind of come in behind the other people
and fill in and continue to drive that for you guys.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And when reciprocity or when permitless carry first went into place,
we definitely saw a drop in the classes. What's been
kind of nice though, is we're big proponents of education,
and part of that, you know, not only the functionality
and being proficient with the firearm, but knowing the laws
when you can and cannot use force. And we have
(02:06):
seen an uptick in our classes lately, and then probably
the last nine months, our CCW classes have been pretty filled,
which is good to see. I mean, I want to
see people doing it the right way and being safe,
responsible gun owners and that's always a great start.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. This is an interesting story.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And you had officer, well former officer, but sounds like
he probably will be reinstated at some point.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
But we'll get more into that in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Spencer Badger and you you had Spencer on the show
with you set up if you will, what exactly happened
with him and then you know how it went when
you had him on, like the type of stuff that
you guys are talking about and the stuff that he
was pointing out and so on.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Sure, for those who don't know, Spencer Badger with an
officer with CPD for fourteen years worked out I think
the entire time on the hilltop, so in one of
the you know, the more challenging areas, I would right,
and really, by all accounts, you know, a really good officer. Well,
like many of us during the twenty twenty riots, he
(03:09):
was disappointed, to say the least, with some of the
lack of support for law enforcement. And that wasn't just
disappointment with what we were seeing on the streets, but
even more so the disappointment with the lack of support
when it comes to mayor's offices and prosecutors and a
lot of the elected officials. So he chose at that
time to do something about it, and he set out
(03:32):
and started a YouTube channel, and the intent of it
was it was to have bodycam videos posted up there
of Columbus officers doing their job, their normal, everyday job,
and showing the general public how good and how committed
and you know, how valiant a lot of these officers
(03:52):
are every day, you know. And so he did that,
but like any of us would, he did public information
requests for the videos. Well, the channel has grown to
over three hundred thousand subscribers, wow, and he has put
close to seven hundred videos out there, and it's it's
it's really been remarkable. If you ever have a chance
(04:13):
to go out there and watch it as Columbus police
body cam, I believe, and there's really some fascinating things
and you get a little bit of an insight to
what these men and women are faced with every day.
I mean, and there's there's a lot of people out
there that are that are difficult to deal with day
to day, and they do a remarkable job of going
(04:35):
above and beyond, you know, every day and you don't.
You just don't see that.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Hey, So let me let me ask you real quick
before you continue. Did he is that a monetized thing
with YouTube? Does he is that like side stream money
for him?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, we we asked him that this week. Yeah, And
believe it or not, he never monetized it. It was
he never set out for this to be a money
making side venture. It was always intended to show the
public what he needs.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
To shine a light on it.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, you had to shine a light on it. And
with that he made some people mad along the way.
When you look at the Civilian Review Boards and some
of these people, they didn't necessarily seem to want to
have place shown in a good light, and he put
him in a good light. One of the things that
I believe he was one of the big people who
(05:27):
stumbled upon this. I think it was last year maybe
or in twenty twenty three, the Civilian Review Board during
one of their investigations, upheld a ruling of bias based
policing for an officer. I don't know if you heard
this story.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Is a couple No, I haven't.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
So the officer was on normal routine patrol. It was
in July, I think hot summer day drives by. Juvenile
has his hoodie up, you know, kind of wearing heavy clothes,
something that kind of stand out for that time of day,
and the officer, as the juvenile was walking, simply rolled
down his window and engaged the juvenile in conversation. Good
(06:06):
place work, I mean knowing the people in your area,
didn't detain them with the kid was never detained or
under arrest, just having a conversation with them. Well, the
child's mother filed a complaint of bias based policing and
the Civilian Review Board and did an investigation, and I
(06:27):
think mister Reese was the investigator, and in his findings
he put and I'm reading from it, the complainant alleged
the incident occurred in twenty twenty three when the officer
initiated contact with the minor male African American team in
the Hilltop area and they sustained I believe the bias
based allegation. But there was one problem and when Spencer
(06:52):
went and pulled the videos is it wasn't an African
American male. It was a white kid, which didn't seem
to fit the narrative of what they were looking for
and it caused a lot of grief within the Civilian
Review Board.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
So stuff like that is what, you know, what you
could see on his YouTube channel, amongst other just daily
routine things. You can see how these officers go about
their business and it's really remarkable.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And you know, I also saw the FOP president Brian Steele,
was talking about, Look, these records should have been provided
by a public records unit. However, the foot when the
footage was access the unit was overwhelmed, under staffed, and
notoriously slow to respond to request. And he said, I
think he basically and I'm paraphrasing, just saying, yeah, was
(07:43):
there a violation here from the officer. Yeah, it was
a policy violation, but he emphasized and that, you know,
Brian emphasized that termination is an excessive punishment and so
they're taking it to arbitration and then officer former officer.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But will be officer.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I would imagine Spencer Badger is saying he's one hundred
percent sure he'll end up getting his job back, but
it was going to take like nine to twelve months
or something along those lines. And in the interim he's
not being paid because he clearly was let go.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Right and to your point, what he was let go
on was in part based on two videos, So two
out of seven hundred videos that weren't pulled correctly. They
were ones that he would have invitibly obtained, but they
just weren't. He didn't pull them correctly. He wanted to
get his policy. He knows it. And when you look
(08:38):
at other officers who have done similar things over time,
none of them have risen to the level of termination.
They've always been either rent in warnings or a few
days off, but nothing was ever, i mean, to that level.
And so it looks like, from the outside looking in,
that there's more to you know, his termination than simply this,
(08:59):
you know, allegation of a couple you know, relatively minor
departmental policies.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, I'm pretty good for somebody who's been there fourteen
years and went through the pandemic and didn't decide to
just walk away, because we know a lot of brass
and a lot of people who had a lot of
time in decided, you know what, I'm just going to
go simply because of the things that you talked about
at the beginning of us speaking today, Eric was that
the upper management and different politicians and so on, they've
(09:26):
done nothing but shed negative light bad light, even if
it's something that's been kind of to your point with
the one situation, even if it's erroneous, they just try
to give black eye to the police division and so on.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So a lot of guys are like, I'm out, this
is it. I'm done with it. This isn't what I
signed up for. I don't want to deal with that.
So good on Spencer staying.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
You know, he's been there fourteen years and then this happens,
but obviously rooting for him going back. The first thing
I think too, Eric, and we're about out of time,
But first thing that I think too, if he goes back,
you know what kind of is there gonna be repercussions
then at that point, because they're gonna really have crosshairs
on him, especially if if they're feeling like, man, we
(10:08):
try to get rid of this guy, and here he
is again, and he's gonna fight us, and okay, well
we're gonna make it difficult or miserable on him.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
That's always a concern, it is, and I mean, and
he truly is a hero in many regards for standing up.
I mean, he is doing what a lot of officers
you know, didn't do or wouldn't do because they're concerned
about their job and their longevity and stuff with the department.
But he is. I mean, what he has shown is
how good the officers are. I mean CPD was a
(10:37):
well recognized department, I mean recognized around the country for
their policies and procedures. And they, you know, during the
riots and so forth, they had just gotten trashed by
you named it, you know, the politicians and some of
the upper management and so forth, and he went set
out to show that that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yep, for sure. All right.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
He's owner of Lapdarms and Range over there on Bethel Road.
And yeah, as you heard, they do offer CCW classes.
You can sign up for those, and you guys have gosh,
as far as the firearms go, I'm having to practice
so much restraint every time I'm in there. I'll I
have to keep limit myself to only buy three, That's right.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And you know what, AMO prices have come down, so
I think you need to stop back.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Oh, I'm gonna have to swing by then. For sure.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I'll definitely do that also host of on Target you
can hear Saturdays at noon here on sixth to n
WUTVN Eric's always a pleasure, brother.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Thanks for jumping on with me today and stay safe.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Out there all right you guys as well.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Thanks thanks man,
All right, let's bring in owner of LAPD and host
of on Target, Eric Delbert joining me now, Eric, welcome
again to the Mark Blazer Show.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
How you been brother?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We're great over here. How are you guys been?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I like to tell people when they asked me that
if I'm feeling chipper, I'll say if I was any better,
I'd cancel my insurance, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So that's yeah, I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Pretty good actually, you know, considering. So how's things going,
how's business?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It's good, It's good, unfortunately, and this is you know,
this is just how it goes. We're starting to see
and in the industry a little bit of what occurred
during President Trump's first term, and that is just the hair.
The start of a Trump slump is simply because people
aren't as concerned about their safety, you know, as they
(00:47):
are during other times. So you know, that translates into
sales sometimes and people taking classes, although I mean it's
still pretty busy, but the industry wide though, we're starting
to see that.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I think it's also interesting too that you guys offer
classes for you know, for CCW people who.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Want to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Clearly, you know, with Ohio being and what open carry
is that how you say.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That, I think that were permitless carry.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Permitless carry, Yeah, yeah, I just you know, I would
imagine that it's dropped off some because well, you do
have reciprocity if you do go ahead and go through
and get the license, you have that with other states
and all of those things. But yeah, I just wondered,
if you know, you hit a roof for a finite
amount of people that you know really are in that market.
(01:32):
But then I started thinking, well, no, you got people
growing up getting a little older who are younger when
maybe you started out doing that, and maybe they're always
going to kind of come in behind the other people
and fill in and continue to drive that for you guys.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And when reciprocity or when permitless carry first went into place,
we definitely saw a drop in the classes. What's been
kind of nice though, is we're big proponents of education,
and part of that, you know, not only the functionality
and being proficient with the firearm, but knowing the laws
when you can and cannot use force. And we have
(02:06):
seen an uptick in our classes lately, and then probably
the last nine months, our CCW classes have been pretty filled,
which is good to see. I mean, I want to
see people doing it the right way and being safe,
responsible gun owners and that's always a great start.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. This is an interesting story.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And you had officer, well former officer, but sounds like
he probably will be reinstated at some point.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
But we'll get more into that in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Spencer Badger and you you had Spencer on the show
with you set up if you will, what exactly happened
with him and then you know how it went when
you had him on, like the type of stuff that
you guys are talking about and the stuff that he
was pointing out and so on.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Sure, for those who don't know, Spencer Badger with an
officer with CPD for fourteen years worked out I think
the entire time on the hilltop, so in one of
the you know, the more challenging areas, I would right,
and really, by all accounts, you know, a really good officer. Well,
like many of us during the twenty twenty riots, he
(03:09):
was disappointed, to say the least, with some of the
lack of support for law enforcement. And that wasn't just
disappointment with what we were seeing on the streets, but
even more so the disappointment with the lack of support
when it comes to mayor's offices and prosecutors and a
lot of the elected officials. So he chose at that
time to do something about it, and he set out
(03:32):
and started a YouTube channel, and the intent of it
was it was to have bodycam videos posted up there
of Columbus officers doing their job, their normal, everyday job,
and showing the general public how good and how committed
and you know, how valiant a lot of these officers
(03:52):
are every day, you know. And so he did that,
but like any of us would, he did public information
requests for the videos. Well, the channel has grown to
over three hundred thousand subscribers, wow, and he has put
close to seven hundred videos out there, and it's it's
it's really been remarkable. If you ever have a chance
(04:13):
to go out there and watch it as Columbus police
body cam, I believe, and there's really some fascinating things
and you get a little bit of an insight to
what these men and women are faced with every day.
I mean, and there's there's a lot of people out
there that are that are difficult to deal with day
to day, and they do a remarkable job of going
(04:35):
above and beyond, you know, every day and you don't.
You just don't see that.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Hey, So let me let me ask you real quick
before you continue. Did he is that a monetized thing
with YouTube? Does he is that like side stream money
for him?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, we we asked him that this week. Yeah, And
believe it or not, he never monetized it. It was
he never set out for this to be a money
making side venture. It was always intended to show the
public what he needs.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
To shine a light on it.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, you had to shine a light on it. And
with that he made some people mad along the way.
When you look at the Civilian Review Boards and some
of these people, they didn't necessarily seem to want to
have place shown in a good light, and he put
him in a good light. One of the things that
I believe he was one of the big people who
(05:27):
stumbled upon this. I think it was last year maybe
or in twenty twenty three, the Civilian Review Board during
one of their investigations, upheld a ruling of bias based
policing for an officer. I don't know if you heard
this story.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Is a couple No, I haven't.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
So the officer was on normal routine patrol. It was
in July, I think hot summer day drives by. Juvenile
has his hoodie up, you know, kind of wearing heavy clothes,
something that kind of stand out for that time of day,
and the officer, as the juvenile was walking, simply rolled
down his window and engaged the juvenile in conversation. Good
(06:06):
place work, I mean knowing the people in your area,
didn't detain them with the kid was never detained or
under arrest, just having a conversation with them. Well, the
child's mother filed a complaint of bias based policing and
the Civilian Review Board and did an investigation, and I
(06:27):
think mister Reese was the investigator, and in his findings
he put and I'm reading from it, the complainant alleged
the incident occurred in twenty twenty three when the officer
initiated contact with the minor male African American team in
the Hilltop area and they sustained I believe the bias
based allegation. But there was one problem and when Spencer
(06:52):
went and pulled the videos is it wasn't an African
American male. It was a white kid, which didn't seem
to fit the narrative of what they were looking for
and it caused a lot of grief within the Civilian
Review Board.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
So stuff like that is what, you know, what you
could see on his YouTube channel, amongst other just daily
routine things. You can see how these officers go about
their business and it's really remarkable.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And you know, I also saw the FOP president Brian Steele,
was talking about, Look, these records should have been provided
by a public records unit. However, the foot when the
footage was access the unit was overwhelmed, under staffed, and
notoriously slow to respond to request. And he said, I
think he basically and I'm paraphrasing, just saying, yeah, was
(07:43):
there a violation here from the officer. Yeah, it was
a policy violation, but he emphasized and that, you know,
Brian emphasized that termination is an excessive punishment and so
they're taking it to arbitration and then officer former officer.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But will be officer.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I would imagine Spencer Badger is saying he's one hundred
percent sure he'll end up getting his job back, but
it was going to take like nine to twelve months
or something along those lines. And in the interim he's
not being paid because he clearly was let go.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Right and to your point, what he was let go
on was in part based on two videos, So two
out of seven hundred videos that weren't pulled correctly. They
were ones that he would have invitibly obtained, but they
just weren't. He didn't pull them correctly. He wanted to
get his policy. He knows it. And when you look
(08:38):
at other officers who have done similar things over time,
none of them have risen to the level of termination.
They've always been either rent in warnings or a few
days off, but nothing was ever, i mean, to that level.
And so it looks like, from the outside looking in,
that there's more to you know, his termination than simply this,
(08:59):
you know, allegation of a couple you know, relatively minor
departmental policies.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, I'm pretty good for somebody who's been there fourteen
years and went through the pandemic and didn't decide to
just walk away, because we know a lot of brass
and a lot of people who had a lot of
time in decided, you know what, I'm just going to
go simply because of the things that you talked about
at the beginning of us speaking today, Eric was that
the upper management and different politicians and so on, they've
(09:26):
done nothing but shed negative light bad light, even if
it's something that's been kind of to your point with
the one situation, even if it's erroneous, they just try
to give black eye to the police division and so on.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So a lot of guys are like, I'm out, this
is it. I'm done with it. This isn't what I
signed up for. I don't want to deal with that.
So good on Spencer staying.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
You know, he's been there fourteen years and then this happens,
but obviously rooting for him going back. The first thing
I think too, Eric, and we're about out of time,
But first thing that I think too, if he goes back,
you know what kind of is there gonna be repercussions
then at that point, because they're gonna really have crosshairs
on him, especially if if they're feeling like, man, we
(10:08):
try to get rid of this guy, and here he
is again, and he's gonna fight us, and okay, well
we're gonna make it difficult or miserable on him.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
That's always a concern, it is, and I mean, and
he truly is a hero in many regards for standing up.
I mean, he is doing what a lot of officers
you know, didn't do or wouldn't do because they're concerned
about their job and their longevity and stuff with the department.
But he is. I mean, what he has shown is
how good the officers are. I mean CPD was a
(10:37):
well recognized department, I mean recognized around the country for
their policies and procedures. And they, you know, during the
riots and so forth, they had just gotten trashed by
you named it, you know, the politicians and some of
the upper management and so forth, and he went set
out to show that that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yep, for sure. All right.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
He's owner of Lapdarms and Range over there on Bethel Road.
And yeah, as you heard, they do offer CCW classes.
You can sign up for those, and you guys have gosh,
as far as the firearms go, I'm having to practice
so much restraint every time I'm in there. I'll I
have to keep limit myself to only buy three, That's right.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And you know what, AMO prices have come down, so
I think you need to stop back.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Oh, I'm gonna have to swing by then. For sure.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I'll definitely do that also host of on Target you
can hear Saturdays at noon here on sixth to n
WUTVN Eric's always a pleasure, brother.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Thanks for jumping on with me today and stay safe.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Out there all right you guys as well.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Thanks thanks man,
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