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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don the Hollicks joining us now ABC News law enforcement
contributor retired senior Secret Service agent, Don, Welcome again to
the Mark Blazer Show. Thanks for coming on, brother.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Great to be with you, Mark, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Absolutely vance Boulder in federal custody. They finally found this scumbag.
He's like, what crawling around the set off some motion
sensors I was reading or something like that. This is
truly horrifying. This is the stuff out of nightmares. What
this guy ended up doing showing up, you know, impersonating
a police officer to the point where he had on
(00:33):
like a prosthetics I guess, like some sort of you know, mask,
and then he had a cop car and all of
this stuff. I'm so happy that they got this guy.
But take me through. So now there are some states
more tightly guarding officials personal information, and rightly so. I mean,
we know about dosing and all the crazy things that
happened to these lawmakers. This is an incredibly sad story
(00:57):
with a horrible ending, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Now it's incredibly said. I think Florida just passed a
bill to restrict private personally identifiable information lawmakers personally identifiable
information from being found. I think it's sitting on a
governor's desk. I'm sure other states will follow. But in reality, Mark,
what we need is we need Congress to act because
the Internet impacts everybody. The Internet is the thing that
covers the entire universe of privately identifiable information. Back in
(01:24):
the old days that we have phone books, you could
sign up to be on the do not call list
or the unlisted register and your name and your number
and address would not be in the phone book. You
don't have that now because of the Internet. Because of
the availability of information yours mine, elected officials, police officers, everybody,
it's there. It's there at the click of a mouse,
(01:44):
and you can actually go to these search engines now
and generate reports that if you want to pay for it, well,
you can get somebody's entire life history, who their family is,
where their family lives. We've gone the other way from
back in the old days of the phone book, and
Congress really needs to weigh in on on this and
level set this for the American people, elected officials, police officers,
and everybody else and say enough, Who've gone too far
(02:07):
with releasing this making this information available. They're making billions
of dollars off of it. They sell our information to
make money, and it's time that there's some responsibility placed
back on it.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Hey do you think then, so the lawmakers, can you know,
put this into motion and you know, make it so
to where these types of things are taken off of
the Internet and so on. It still feels like in
this day and age, it is so hard to hide
from people who are dead set on getting your personal
information via the dark web, if you will, it seems like.
(02:41):
But I do know that that's a few more steps
than clearly just the regular Internet. And I don't know
how much experience you have or thoughts you have on
you know, dark web stuff as well. But again, it
feels like it is so hard to hide in these situations.
And you would think there'd be an EVD level or
(03:01):
two or five of as far as levels of security
for you know, the legislators and people you know, especially
like you know, people like yourself and officers and so on,
people you know who have histories of all these kinds
of things that people would want to find them and
do harm to them. It makes total sense that they
(03:22):
would want to remain anonymous and not have all of
that information out there, yet it just seems so easy
to come by.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
No, and that's because of this free, willing internet we've had,
you know, the cyber companies that pushed for years to
not be regulated government hands off. We can handle that,
we know what's best. In reality, that's not the case.
The cyber companies are in many cases are not looking
after the best interested the American people, but not looking
after the safety and security of people in general. You know,
(03:53):
back years ago, if you're a police officer in California,
used to be able to register your car to your
work address. So if some gang banger was sitting out
of the police station and so you pull out and
they got your license plate, they couldn't find out where
you lived. From what I understand, that's not the case anymore.
So this whole pendulum has swung too far with the
(04:14):
free release of information, and we need to get it
back and check because otherwise, as you just said, Mark,
we're giving these people, these people that have a grievance
or perceived a grievance, an easy way to track and
find people versus forcing them. Really they have to do
some homework, which means they may make a mistake along
the way, and they may get caught before they commit
(04:36):
the acts.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know, this is in the best interest of all
the lawmakers to get this done asap because they could
be next in this situation. So you make very good
points here with regard to we got to get Congress
to act on this, because I don't really feel like
anybody is one hundred percent safe depending on the type
of money or the type of investment that the bad guy,
(05:00):
these bad bad people that want to invest in this,
they can. It seems like they can find this stuff out.
So it'd be in the best interest to these lawmakers
to get this going quickly because they could wind up
on one of these lists and and somebody could be
knocking at their door, their home door next.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
No, and and where that goes to. Also is the
idea that lawmakers these days, on every level of low,
whole state, federal personal security should be part and parcel
with what they do every day, investing in ring doorbell cameras,
surveillance systems, alarm systems. The police should know where your
lawmakers where your home addresses and be doing checks. You
should have the police department on speed dial. Situational awareness,
(05:38):
being aware of where you're going and what you're doing,
making sure that if you're doing public events, there's an
officer there as a deterrent, you know, some of these
some of these personal safety and security agendas. I just
read that they just arrested a bunch of people Senator
Cruise and it was another senator. Some people were leaving
threatening messages on their office numbers, and they were just
(05:59):
a by the FBI, which is the other piece of this.
For far too long, we've allowed people to say things
that are violent under the guise of free speech. And look,
there's a point where free speech turns into violent speech,
and that is the point where we need to start
enforcing the laws of threats and harassment and arresting people
(06:21):
to also send a message and to stop people before
they go to the next step.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, let's hope this happens sooner rather than later. And
Don Mahallake, ABC News Law Enforcement contributor, retired senior Secret
Service agent, thanks very much for jumping on today. Appreciate
you man.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Thanks for having mark you got it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
We'll see you. A lot of good points made.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, scared, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
It's too bad that society has gotten to that point, but.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It has and I feel like it's been at that
point for too long now, Yeah, something like this. You go, well,
how has that not already happened? I mean, it is
horrific when you start looking at it, it's like the
stuff out of a nightmare. It's like it's like a movie,
the way that that played out. But this guy with
a list of what seventy plus names on this list,
(07:09):
I mean, this guy had he had some ill intentions
for a bunch of people. Man.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, well, thankfully they got him before he could do
too much.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And then when you see all the stuff they confiscated
out of his car, more he had ars in there
and like more m O. And I was just like,
holy cow, this guy was no good intention, nope, whatsoever,
no question. For once. And I don't know if you
saw this piece.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
No, I probably what it was in the Dispatch, Yeah right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
No, for once, I finally I finally agree with an
opinion piece, because, let's face it, they are they are
left leaning publication, yes, the Dispatch is, and but they
are what we have locally as far as to tap
into some local issues and local news and so on
and so forth. Well, one of this one this particular one.
(08:01):
I go, hey, there's an opinion piece I actually agree with.
You were shocked, and it's entitled Disobedient Andrew Ginther teaching
criminals how to defy law. And then you start reading
and it's like this person, Susan of Columbus is spot
on with all the stuff that she put Ginther does
not follow rules. Why should a felon with a stolen gun.
(08:25):
If Ginther can do what he wants, hey, so can criminals.
Ginther is defiant, arrogant, disobedient, conceited, superior, condescending, and these
are his good qualities. I love it. He's above the
law since twenty sixteen, He's done what he wants. He
makes sure his administration and city council follow what he
(08:47):
says they are to ignore the President of the United
States as well as Governor Mike DeWine. It's getting worse.
She goes on to say Ginther, along with city attorneys
at Klein other attorneys, very lenient judges, can tinue to
let felons and other criminals get out of jail, free
to commit other crimes. Lower bail let them out. The
city continues to fire police officers before they're given fair trials,
(09:09):
the city will pay families of criminals with lawyers on
speed dial. The media will give ongoing sympathy coverage to criminals.
Blame the police for doing their job, Blame the police
for protecting citizens, blame the police for criminals committing crimes.
What a disgrace. And I is, She's not wrong about
(09:31):
any of this, No, And this gets to what I
always have to say about mayor Getther.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I just have one thing, do your job, okay, And
what is one of the highest priorities as mayor of
an urban city, keep your citizens safe?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And he seems to go out of his way to
not do that.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, no question about that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I mean, and she.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Points out all the things, the leniency with criminals and
you know, not charging or if you charge them, you
you know, slap them on the wrist and let them
out right away. And I mean, I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And then there was also something else by the way,
that that was Carmen not Susans, who was part of
I apologize, I got that wrong. But they start off
with Trump administration targeting Columbus July second, criminals who are
shooting at, running from and ignoring police warnings are following
(10:33):
Mayor Andrew Ginther's leadership. And then she goes on to
say Ginther does not follow rules. Why should a fella
with a stolen gun? And then you know, again, if
Ginther can do what he wants, so can the criminals.
And that, I mean, this is spot on with regard
to how to defy. It is so irritating, It is
so mind boggling that when we watch these different situations
(10:58):
play out where criminals are arrested and they are it's
there's no question that they are responsible for filling the
blank Act, you know, illegal act. And then, like we
were just kind of alluding to, you got Klein or
any of the people connected with him, are are just
(11:19):
it's a slap on the wrist or even less, and
then they're out on the street, you know, less than
twenty four hours later or so on.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And I don't understand the mindset of these elected officials.
It's almost like they're saying, our justice system is so
corrupt that we don't feel that it's fair to these
criminals that we put them incarcerate them in jail. I mean,
I just don't get what they're thinking. That they think
(11:47):
that that somehow putting these people on the street is safe.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And then you all right, exactly, and then when when
you have the majority of like the you know, the
people that live in the community are seeing this the
most mind boggling part. And I don't know where you
come down on this, Bob, But I don't know how
they keep getting re elected. I don't understand that that
has been the so since my eyes have been opened,
(12:16):
I don't know loth these fifteen years, twenty years, I
say to myself, how is it that these people that
do not back up? They all they do is clamor
for We hear it over and over. We need more
gun laws. Now you don't. You need to enforce the
ones that are here. We need more of this law
that law. No, we don't. You just need to enforce
the ones that are here, and this will stop cold
in its tracks. Why is it that these people keep
(12:39):
getting re elected over and over And it's it's people
that are just going, I I'm a Democrat. I'm going
to vote for blue Democrat and they vote and you go,
but didn't you see what they did to your community?
And they go, I don't care. I'm voting Democrat. I
can't put a Republican in office. That's really what it
comes down to.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It is, And it's almost like how bad does it
have to get it in your city, in your life
that you're finally going to break that automatic vote for
a Democrat. Now you saw a little bit of this
in last year's election with President Trump, where you had, uh,
President Trump winning Hispanic males. He got one out of
(13:20):
every five African American mail.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So, I mean, slowly it's happening, but level yeah, yeah,
on a city level.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, it seems like it's they continue to just make bad,
bad voting decisions over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
And they're and they're paying the price they are.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But it's just like you go, when will it be
enough where you go, Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
How bad do things have to get?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I feel like I guess the answer to that is like,
so bad you're unable to step out of your house. Yeah,
I mean, it's it's it's ridiculous. I mean, gosh,
Don the Hollicks joining us now ABC News law enforcement
contributor retired senior Secret Service agent, Don, Welcome again to
the Mark Blazer Show. Thanks for coming on, brother.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Great to be with you, Mark, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Absolutely vance Boulder in federal custody. They finally found this scumbag.
He's like, what crawling around the set off some motion
sensors I was reading or something like that. This is
truly horrifying. This is the stuff out of nightmares. What
this guy ended up doing showing up, you know, impersonating
a police officer to the point where he had on
(00:33):
like a prosthetics I guess, like some sort of you know, mask,
and then he had a cop car and all of
this stuff. I'm so happy that they got this guy.
But take me through. So now there are some states
more tightly guarding officials personal information, and rightly so. I mean,
we know about dosing and all the crazy things that
happened to these lawmakers. This is an incredibly sad story
(00:57):
with a horrible ending, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Now it's incredibly said. I think Florida just passed a
bill to restrict private personally identifiable information lawmakers personally identifiable
information from being found. I think it's sitting on a
governor's desk. I'm sure other states will follow. But in reality, Mark,
what we need is we need Congress to act because
the Internet impacts everybody. The Internet is the thing that
covers the entire universe of privately identifiable information. Back in
(01:24):
the old days that we have phone books, you could
sign up to be on the do not call list
or the unlisted register and your name and your number
and address would not be in the phone book. You
don't have that now because of the Internet. Because of
the availability of information yours mine, elected officials, police officers, everybody,
it's there. It's there at the click of a mouse,
(01:44):
and you can actually go to these search engines now
and generate reports that if you want to pay for it, well,
you can get somebody's entire life history, who their family is,
where their family lives. We've gone the other way from
back in the old days of the phone book, and
Congress really needs to weigh in on on this and
level set this for the American people, elected officials, police officers,
and everybody else and say enough, Who've gone too far
(02:07):
with releasing this making this information available. They're making billions
of dollars off of it. They sell our information to
make money, and it's time that there's some responsibility placed
back on it.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Hey do you think then, so the lawmakers, can you know,
put this into motion and you know, make it so
to where these types of things are taken off of
the Internet and so on. It still feels like in
this day and age, it is so hard to hide
from people who are dead set on getting your personal
information via the dark web, if you will, it seems like.
(02:41):
But I do know that that's a few more steps
than clearly just the regular Internet. And I don't know
how much experience you have or thoughts you have on
you know, dark web stuff as well. But again, it
feels like it is so hard to hide in these situations.
And you would think there'd be an EVD level or
(03:01):
two or five of as far as levels of security
for you know, the legislators and people you know, especially
like you know, people like yourself and officers and so on,
people you know who have histories of all these kinds
of things that people would want to find them and
do harm to them. It makes total sense that they
(03:22):
would want to remain anonymous and not have all of
that information out there, yet it just seems so easy
to come by.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
No, and that's because of this free, willing internet we've had,
you know, the cyber companies that pushed for years to
not be regulated government hands off. We can handle that,
we know what's best. In reality, that's not the case.
The cyber companies are in many cases are not looking
after the best interested the American people, but not looking
after the safety and security of people in general. You know,
(03:53):
back years ago, if you're a police officer in California,
used to be able to register your car to your
work address. So if some gang banger was sitting out
of the police station and so you pull out and
they got your license plate, they couldn't find out where
you lived. From what I understand, that's not the case anymore.
So this whole pendulum has swung too far with the
(04:14):
free release of information, and we need to get it
back and check because otherwise, as you just said, Mark,
we're giving these people, these people that have a grievance
or perceived a grievance, an easy way to track and
find people versus forcing them. Really they have to do
some homework, which means they may make a mistake along
the way, and they may get caught before they commit
(04:36):
the acts.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know, this is in the best interest of all
the lawmakers to get this done asap because they could
be next in this situation. So you make very good
points here with regard to we got to get Congress
to act on this, because I don't really feel like
anybody is one hundred percent safe depending on the type
of money or the type of investment that the bad guy,
(05:00):
these bad bad people that want to invest in this,
they can. It seems like they can find this stuff out.
So it'd be in the best interest to these lawmakers
to get this going quickly because they could wind up
on one of these lists and and somebody could be
knocking at their door, their home door next.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
No, and and where that goes to. Also is the
idea that lawmakers these days, on every level of low,
whole state, federal personal security should be part and parcel
with what they do every day, investing in ring doorbell cameras,
surveillance systems, alarm systems. The police should know where your
lawmakers where your home addresses and be doing checks. You
should have the police department on speed dial. Situational awareness,
(05:38):
being aware of where you're going and what you're doing,
making sure that if you're doing public events, there's an
officer there as a deterrent, you know, some of these
some of these personal safety and security agendas. I just
read that they just arrested a bunch of people Senator
Cruise and it was another senator. Some people were leaving
threatening messages on their office numbers, and they were just
(05:59):
a by the FBI, which is the other piece of this.
For far too long, we've allowed people to say things
that are violent under the guise of free speech. And look,
there's a point where free speech turns into violent speech,
and that is the point where we need to start
enforcing the laws of threats and harassment and arresting people
(06:21):
to also send a message and to stop people before
they go to the next step.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, let's hope this happens sooner rather than later. And
Don Mahallake, ABC News Law Enforcement contributor, retired senior Secret
Service agent, thanks very much for jumping on today. Appreciate
you man.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Thanks for having mark you got it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
We'll see you. A lot of good points made.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, scared, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
It's too bad that society has gotten to that point, but.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It has and I feel like it's been at that
point for too long now, Yeah, something like this. You go, well,
how has that not already happened? I mean, it is
horrific when you start looking at it, it's like the
stuff out of a nightmare. It's like it's like a movie,
the way that that played out. But this guy with
a list of what seventy plus names on this list,
(07:09):
I mean, this guy had he had some ill intentions
for a bunch of people. Man.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, well, thankfully they got him before he could do
too much.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And then when you see all the stuff they confiscated
out of his car, more he had ars in there
and like more m O. And I was just like,
holy cow, this guy was no good intention, nope, whatsoever,
no question. For once. And I don't know if you
saw this piece.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
No, I probably what it was in the Dispatch, Yeah right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
No, for once, I finally I finally agree with an
opinion piece, because, let's face it, they are they are
left leaning publication, yes, the Dispatch is, and but they
are what we have locally as far as to tap
into some local issues and local news and so on
and so forth. Well, one of this one this particular one.
(08:01):
I go, hey, there's an opinion piece I actually agree with.
You were shocked, and it's entitled Disobedient Andrew Ginther teaching
criminals how to defy law. And then you start reading
and it's like this person, Susan of Columbus is spot
on with all the stuff that she put Ginther does
not follow rules. Why should a felon with a stolen gun.
(08:25):
If Ginther can do what he wants, hey, so can criminals.
Ginther is defiant, arrogant, disobedient, conceited, superior, condescending, and these
are his good qualities. I love it. He's above the
law since twenty sixteen, He's done what he wants. He
makes sure his administration and city council follow what he
(08:47):
says they are to ignore the President of the United
States as well as Governor Mike DeWine. It's getting worse.
She goes on to say Ginther, along with city attorneys
at Klein other attorneys, very lenient judges, can tinue to
let felons and other criminals get out of jail, free
to commit other crimes. Lower bail let them out. The
city continues to fire police officers before they're given fair trials,
(09:09):
the city will pay families of criminals with lawyers on
speed dial. The media will give ongoing sympathy coverage to criminals.
Blame the police for doing their job, Blame the police
for protecting citizens, blame the police for criminals committing crimes.
What a disgrace. And I is, She's not wrong about
(09:31):
any of this, No, And this gets to what I
always have to say about mayor Getther.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I just have one thing, do your job, okay, And
what is one of the highest priorities as mayor of
an urban city, keep your citizens safe?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And he seems to go out of his way to
not do that.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, no question about that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I mean, and she.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Points out all the things, the leniency with criminals and
you know, not charging or if you charge them, you
you know, slap them on the wrist and let them
out right away. And I mean, I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And then there was also something else by the way,
that that was Carmen not Susans, who was part of
I apologize, I got that wrong. But they start off
with Trump administration targeting Columbus July second, criminals who are
shooting at, running from and ignoring police warnings are following
(10:33):
Mayor Andrew Ginther's leadership. And then she goes on to
say Ginther does not follow rules. Why should a fella
with a stolen gun? And then you know, again, if
Ginther can do what he wants, so can the criminals.
And that, I mean, this is spot on with regard
to how to defy. It is so irritating, It is
so mind boggling that when we watch these different situations
(10:58):
play out where criminals are arrested and they are it's
there's no question that they are responsible for filling the
blank Act, you know, illegal act. And then, like we
were just kind of alluding to, you got Klein or
any of the people connected with him, are are just
(11:19):
it's a slap on the wrist or even less, and
then they're out on the street, you know, less than
twenty four hours later or so on.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And I don't understand the mindset of these elected officials.
It's almost like they're saying, our justice system is so
corrupt that we don't feel that it's fair to these
criminals that we put them incarcerate them in jail. I mean,
I just don't get what they're thinking. That they think
(11:47):
that that somehow putting these people on the street is safe.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And then you all right, exactly, and then when when
you have the majority of like the you know, the
people that live in the community are seeing this the
most mind boggling part. And I don't know where you
come down on this, Bob, But I don't know how
they keep getting re elected. I don't understand that that
has been the so since my eyes have been opened,
(12:16):
I don't know loth these fifteen years, twenty years, I
say to myself, how is it that these people that
do not back up? They all they do is clamor
for We hear it over and over. We need more
gun laws. Now you don't. You need to enforce the
ones that are here. We need more of this law
that law. No, we don't. You just need to enforce
the ones that are here, and this will stop cold
in its tracks. Why is it that these people keep
(12:39):
getting re elected over and over And it's it's people
that are just going, I I'm a Democrat. I'm going
to vote for blue Democrat and they vote and you go,
but didn't you see what they did to your community?
And they go, I don't care. I'm voting Democrat. I
can't put a Republican in office. That's really what it
comes down to.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It is, And it's almost like how bad does it
have to get it in your city, in your life
that you're finally going to break that automatic vote for
a Democrat. Now you saw a little bit of this
in last year's election with President Trump, where you had, uh,
President Trump winning Hispanic males. He got one out of
(13:20):
every five African American mail.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So, I mean, slowly it's happening, but level yeah, yeah,
on a city level.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, it seems like it's they continue to just make bad,
bad voting decisions over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
And they're and they're paying the price they are.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But it's just like you go, when will it be
enough where you go, Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
How bad do things have to get?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I feel like I guess the answer to that is like,
so bad you're unable to step out of your house. Yeah,
I mean, it's it's it's ridiculous. I mean, gosh,
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