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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, so we learned just a little bit ago that
they have. Is he still being called a suspect? Is
he a person of interest? I mean, is what is
the What are they saying right now?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Chuck?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Are you seeing that? Because I you know, it keeps
changing with regard to where you look, and it's it's
literally changing by the minute if you will too.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So well, anybody who's still calling this guy a suspect
is doing it to avoid lawsuits. There's pretty much no
doubt in anybody's mind if you have any common sense whatsoever,
that this is the guy. They got him at a McDonald's.
You probably already heard that one of the McDonald's employees
recognized him God blessed them from the surveillance camera pictures
and called the police and said, I think his guy's
(00:40):
in here. His name is Luigi Mangioni. He is arrested
on gun charge. That was the most obvious thing they
could do is he had the gun in the McDonald's,
so he was eating in Altuna. The police come in.
He had the document on him, the manifesto. He had
at least four fake id he's, one of which was
the one that he used to check into that hostile.
(01:03):
Earlier he had a backpack believed to belong to the
suspect in the killing, was found in Central Park, so
they've got him on those things. The gun that was
in his possession is apparently handmade. To the media in
trying to scare you has to call it a ghost gun. No,
he builded himself and that's why obviously he used it
(01:27):
so efficiently. Even when it apparently jammed up on him,
he didn't even flinch. He was very used to it
because he had actually created the gun. So there's very
little at this point that is in doubt that this
is the guy, and we'll see what happens. We'll keep
using the word allegedly to avoid lawsuits.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Joining us now, it's a six ton WTV and legal
analyst and host of for the Defense, Brad Kopfles joining us. Hey, Brad,
welcome again and early Merry Christmas to you, and thanks
for jumping on with us.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Brother of course for the same to you and always
awesome to be on with your listeners.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Thank you, right Chuck, yeah, yeah, meeting so yeah, so yeah.
You had sent me a text earlier you go, Hey,
you talking about the CEO assassin getting picked up. I
have major questions, certainly when you know, you start kind
of reading down what is out there right now, which
we kind of just did, like a little synopsis of
there or what have you. But add to this, if
(02:25):
you would, your thoughts and so on, your questions and
all of those things.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, one of the great aspects of AM radio is
that we all get to second guest what's being said.
And as a criminal defense lawyer for thirty thirty one years,
my whole career has been questioning what police say. There
are a lot of odd ball facts associated with this
(02:51):
that I think everyone is having. I would imagine you,
when paying attention to the story, would ask yourself from
the beginning, why wasn't this guy wearing gloves? He could
have done more to conceal himself and obscure his identity
than he did. And then they hops on an e
(03:12):
bike to leave the scene, and those e bikes are
I think they're all tracked by, you know, some sort
of computer system. And then you go into Central Park
and you dump your backpack in Central Park and it's
got monopoly money, and then we find out that, and
then it kind of gets cold, and then we find
(03:35):
out some elderly lady in Altoona, Pennsylvania, called the cops saying, hey,
I think he's here. You look at his pick. I
don't know, we're all looking at the same images. I
don't know how you could see any young man walk
into any McDonald's in the United States and go, that's
the guy that killed Brian Thompson. And that part of
(03:55):
Pennsylvania it's where the Goffel family's from. Everyone looks like that.
I mean, it's uh, the Western PA and it's it
just I don't know how this this this is the
tip tipster said, I think this is the guy based
upon the images that are publicly available. They then they
(04:18):
get them and he's got a silencer, a gun, fake IDs,
his manifesto. That all just seems way too convenient. Now,
I'm not suggesting the cops plan at that stuff on him.
What I'm saying is there's something else weird going on.
And then you find out that the name of this
(04:39):
guy uh, and they can quickly identify him as being
twenty six years old. He went to an elite boarding school,
Crep Boarding School. He's Valadingtian and then he goes hen
Ivy League school. He gets a bachelor's degree in computer
bachelor's of Science and computer engineering. He gets a master's
in computer science computer engineering, so he's obviously extremely smart guy.
(05:05):
Then there's the picture, that ubiquitous picture that's going to
go everywhere is he's hiking with his shirt off and
he's jacked. I mean, the guy looks like he just
works out eighteen hours a day. That guy isn't the
type of guy that goes to McDonald's eat. And if
you're on a if you're the subject of a man hunt,
I don't know why you're going on a greyhound and
(05:27):
or why you're going to McDonald's to go inside. There's
just too many little weird things that don't make any sense.
Those are you know, actually like, hey, you guys talking
about this day because there's a lot of things that
just don't make sense. He made it so easy to
get caught. But if you really just wanted to get caught,
why not just take that monopoly money and it was
in the back of the backpack and dump it on
(05:49):
the victim. If your true mission was to raise awareness
of maybe AI, the company's using AI to deny insurance claims,
which is one theory that kind of makes sense to me.
Why not just dump your monopoly money on top of
the guy and then scoot away or just hold your
(06:09):
hands up. Also knowing this manifesto, the early reports coming
out is this guy's never really published anything online or
social media that would indicate that he is an anti
capitalist anarchist.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, the things all of those things are, that's incredible,
all of the things that you've come up with there
that you're like, it's just you know, two and two
is not adding up to four in this situation. One
simple thing for me, somebody who doesn't do what you
do for a living, Brad, would be I go, wow,
this guy, if in fact he does have those degrees
(06:47):
that you spoke of from an Ivy League school and
being an incredibly intelligent guy, it just doesn't seem like
for somebody so intelligent that he's and I know that's
really what you were doing demonstrate all of those different things.
But that was the first thing I thought of. I go, man,
this guy for being as intelligent as he has to
be to have those degrees and so on, it's that's
(07:09):
not adding up for me. I'm like, man, it just
seems like there are too many loose ends, or that
he's Chuck's theory is is like this guy wanted to
get caught. Absolutely he thinks that he is. He's done
us all a favor is almost the way that it
seems like, right, I mean that's the way you were saying.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I mean what he's in the part of the manifesto
CNN already published, said you know, this is something that
had to be done. He thought he was on some
sort of noble journey out there. He very flippant about it.
That would explain the monopoly money. He wanted some see me,
seem me attention. If he wanted to run, he would
have been farther than ol Tuna after all this time, right,
(07:46):
this is six son of a gun that he wanted
to have a little fun make a point. But I
don't think there's any moral high ground here. I don't
think he's trying to protest for the poor people that
can't get treatment. He just doesn't like people making money.
I really believe that that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I don't know. Of course, we're all speculating, and you're
certainly entitled to your opinion. I disagree. He comes from
a prominent family. He may be someone who grew up
in a prominent family and just sees the total hypocrisy.
He goes to Ivy League school and you get you know, inequities.
Equity is the big word of the day, and he
(08:23):
very much may have felt as though they are institutional inequities.
In the insurance market, they keep talking about maybe a
denial of coverage to a loved one. You know, who knows.
There's so much speculation, there's there are more questions now
with his apprehension than there are answers, and and but Chuck,
(08:47):
you're right, I do think that he was if he
was trying to get caught, he did a pretty good job.
And right after this surveillance video was posted, I sent
it over to a friend of mine who's retired Navy
seal did some gray man work with the alphabet agencies.
I said, what are your trained I see here, you guys,
(09:09):
I said, is that a tier one operator? He gues,
absolutely not. That's not a tier one operator, And that
guy will get caught. He is a tier one operator.
You'll never hear from again.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
That is uh man, that's good, that's good, very good.
He is a host of for the defense. He's a
sixth to n WTVN legal analyst, criminal defense attorney here
in town and Brad, I appreciate you jumping on, especially
last minute like this incredibly insightful and really fascinating actually
too the way this is all being processed by all
(09:41):
the different minds and so on, but obviously we're going
to follow it, so thanks for jumping on. Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yep, thanks to you.
Hey, so we learned just a little bit ago that
they have. Is he still being called a suspect? Is
he a person of interest? I mean, is what is
the What are they saying right now?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Chuck?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Are you seeing that? Because I you know, it keeps
changing with regard to where you look, and it's it's
literally changing by the minute if you will too.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So well, anybody who's still calling this guy a suspect
is doing it to avoid lawsuits. There's pretty much no
doubt in anybody's mind if you have any common sense whatsoever,
that this is the guy. They got him at a McDonald's.
You probably already heard that one of the McDonald's employees
recognized him God blessed them from the surveillance camera pictures
and called the police and said, I think his guy's
(00:40):
in here. His name is Luigi Mangioni. He is arrested
on gun charge. That was the most obvious thing they
could do is he had the gun in the McDonald's,
so he was eating in Altuna. The police come in.
He had the document on him, the manifesto. He had
at least four fake id he's, one of which was
the one that he used to check into that hostile.
(01:03):
Earlier he had a backpack believed to belong to the
suspect in the killing, was found in Central Park, so
they've got him on those things. The gun that was
in his possession is apparently handmade. To the media in
trying to scare you has to call it a ghost gun. No,
he builded himself and that's why obviously he used it
(01:27):
so efficiently. Even when it apparently jammed up on him,
he didn't even flinch. He was very used to it
because he had actually created the gun. So there's very
little at this point that is in doubt that this
is the guy, and we'll see what happens. We'll keep
using the word allegedly to avoid lawsuits.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Joining us now, it's a six ton WTV and legal
analyst and host of for the Defense, Brad Kopfles joining us. Hey, Brad,
welcome again and early Merry Christmas to you, and thanks
for jumping on with us.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Brother of course for the same to you and always
awesome to be on with your listeners.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Thank you, right Chuck, yeah, yeah, meeting so yeah, so yeah.
You had sent me a text earlier you go, Hey,
you talking about the CEO assassin getting picked up. I
have major questions, certainly when you know, you start kind
of reading down what is out there right now, which
we kind of just did, like a little synopsis of
there or what have you. But add to this, if
(02:25):
you would, your thoughts and so on, your questions and
all of those things.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, one of the great aspects of AM radio is
that we all get to second guest what's being said.
And as a criminal defense lawyer for thirty thirty one years,
my whole career has been questioning what police say. There
are a lot of odd ball facts associated with this
(02:51):
that I think everyone is having. I would imagine you,
when paying attention to the story, would ask yourself from
the beginning, why wasn't this guy wearing gloves? He could
have done more to conceal himself and obscure his identity
than he did. And then they hops on an e
(03:12):
bike to leave the scene, and those e bikes are
I think they're all tracked by, you know, some sort
of computer system. And then you go into Central Park
and you dump your backpack in Central Park and it's
got monopoly money, and then we find out that, and
then it kind of gets cold, and then we find
(03:35):
out some elderly lady in Altoona, Pennsylvania, called the cops saying, hey,
I think he's here. You look at his pick. I
don't know, we're all looking at the same images. I
don't know how you could see any young man walk
into any McDonald's in the United States and go, that's
the guy that killed Brian Thompson. And that part of
(03:55):
Pennsylvania it's where the Goffel family's from. Everyone looks like that.
I mean, it's uh, the Western PA and it's it
just I don't know how this this this is the
tip tipster said, I think this is the guy based
upon the images that are publicly available. They then they
(04:18):
get them and he's got a silencer, a gun, fake IDs,
his manifesto. That all just seems way too convenient. Now,
I'm not suggesting the cops plan at that stuff on him.
What I'm saying is there's something else weird going on.
And then you find out that the name of this
(04:39):
guy uh, and they can quickly identify him as being
twenty six years old. He went to an elite boarding school,
Crep Boarding School. He's Valadingtian and then he goes hen
Ivy League school. He gets a bachelor's degree in computer
bachelor's of Science and computer engineering. He gets a master's
in computer science computer engineering, so he's obviously extremely smart guy.
(05:05):
Then there's the picture, that ubiquitous picture that's going to
go everywhere is he's hiking with his shirt off and
he's jacked. I mean, the guy looks like he just
works out eighteen hours a day. That guy isn't the
type of guy that goes to McDonald's eat. And if
you're on a if you're the subject of a man hunt,
I don't know why you're going on a greyhound and
(05:27):
or why you're going to McDonald's to go inside. There's
just too many little weird things that don't make any sense.
Those are you know, actually like, hey, you guys talking
about this day because there's a lot of things that
just don't make sense. He made it so easy to
get caught. But if you really just wanted to get caught,
why not just take that monopoly money and it was
in the back of the backpack and dump it on
(05:49):
the victim. If your true mission was to raise awareness
of maybe AI, the company's using AI to deny insurance claims,
which is one theory that kind of makes sense to me.
Why not just dump your monopoly money on top of
the guy and then scoot away or just hold your
(06:09):
hands up. Also knowing this manifesto, the early reports coming
out is this guy's never really published anything online or
social media that would indicate that he is an anti
capitalist anarchist.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, the things all of those things are, that's incredible,
all of the things that you've come up with there
that you're like, it's just you know, two and two
is not adding up to four in this situation. One
simple thing for me, somebody who doesn't do what you
do for a living, Brad, would be I go, wow,
this guy, if in fact he does have those degrees
(06:47):
that you spoke of from an Ivy League school and
being an incredibly intelligent guy, it just doesn't seem like
for somebody so intelligent that he's and I know that's
really what you were doing demonstrate all of those different things.
But that was the first thing I thought of. I go, man,
this guy for being as intelligent as he has to
be to have those degrees and so on, it's that's
(07:09):
not adding up for me. I'm like, man, it just
seems like there are too many loose ends, or that
he's Chuck's theory is is like this guy wanted to
get caught. Absolutely he thinks that he is. He's done
us all a favor is almost the way that it
seems like, right, I mean that's the way you were saying.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I mean what he's in the part of the manifesto
CNN already published, said you know, this is something that
had to be done. He thought he was on some
sort of noble journey out there. He very flippant about it.
That would explain the monopoly money. He wanted some see me,
seem me attention. If he wanted to run, he would
have been farther than ol Tuna after all this time, right,
(07:46):
this is six son of a gun that he wanted
to have a little fun make a point. But I
don't think there's any moral high ground here. I don't
think he's trying to protest for the poor people that
can't get treatment. He just doesn't like people making money.
I really believe that that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I don't know. Of course, we're all speculating, and you're
certainly entitled to your opinion. I disagree. He comes from
a prominent family. He may be someone who grew up
in a prominent family and just sees the total hypocrisy.
He goes to Ivy League school and you get you know, inequities.
Equity is the big word of the day, and he
(08:23):
very much may have felt as though they are institutional inequities.
In the insurance market, they keep talking about maybe a
denial of coverage to a loved one. You know, who knows.
There's so much speculation, there's there are more questions now
with his apprehension than there are answers, and and but Chuck,
(08:47):
you're right, I do think that he was if he
was trying to get caught, he did a pretty good job.
And right after this surveillance video was posted, I sent
it over to a friend of mine who's retired Navy
seal did some gray man work with the alphabet agencies.
I said, what are your trained I see here, you guys,
(09:09):
I said, is that a tier one operator? He gues,
absolutely not. That's not a tier one operator, And that
guy will get caught. He is a tier one operator.
You'll never hear from again.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
That is uh man, that's good, that's good, very good.
He is a host of for the defense. He's a
sixth to n WTVN legal analyst, criminal defense attorney here
in town and Brad, I appreciate you jumping on, especially
last minute like this incredibly insightful and really fascinating actually
too the way this is all being processed by all
(09:41):
the different minds and so on, but obviously we're going
to follow it, so thanks for jumping on. Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yep, thanks to you.
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