February 27, 2025 • 48 mins
In this powerful episode, Airplane James joins Chuck Dizzle Live & Direct to reflect on his deeply personal journey, discussing the emotional layers behind his latest project, Eastside Special 3.
From confronting his past through therapy to navigating fatherhood without a blueprint, Airplane James shares how vulnerability, healing, and storytelling have shaped his music and personal growth. The conversation also dives into creative collaborations, balancing authenticity with mystique, and how returning to school reignited his passion for art and self-discovery.
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From confronting his past through therapy to navigating fatherhood without a blueprint, Airplane James shares how vulnerability, healing, and storytelling have shaped his music and personal growth. The conversation also dives into creative collaborations, balancing authenticity with mystique, and how returning to school reignited his passion for art and self-discovery.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, Chuck, dizzle, back at it live and direct. Man,
keep it a homegrown as always.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man. Got a brother in here that I've been you know,
watching for years.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The east Side Special three is out right now seeing
airplane James is here.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Man, what's the deal?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's always good seeing you first and foremost. So you know,
I felt like this last year twenty twenty four, like,
damn plane planing be kind of quiet? Man, plane being
kind of quiet? Is that is that intentional for you?
Is there like some living that you have to do
in between projects, because I feel like after apology accepted
it is the last time you were here, right yeah,
(00:43):
and then the road to east Side three it was
a gap between that. So for you, is it is
it intentional with taking time taking a break or is
it just just life?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Bro?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I think it's a combination all three. Just to be
so real, Like I was going through some things meant
league when dropping apology accept it. So after that drop,
I think I had a conversation with you, you know,
so started going to therapy and doing things like that,
(01:15):
and then was able to get back in the studio.
And you know, the studio process for me like these
days like it's like I'm trying to get somewhere. Like
I knew east Side Special three was the ending, so
I kept trying to paint those pictures. I didn't like
the pictures I was painting, so I just you know
what I'm saying. When I felt it was ready, I
put Roll to Yes three out. Those were records that
(01:36):
were supposed to be on east Side Special three. They
were good enough to be on eas Side Special three,
but it was just too many songs. So I figured,
let's do a mixtape first and then come on the album.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
To yeeah I mean, I mean and without I'm not
gonna say without diving too deep into it, cause I
felt like you did a good job of being vulnerable
on this album. And when Roll to east Side three
came out, I text you I was like, who is
sound aggressive?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
This is?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
This is a little more aggressive than that I'm used.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
To And I liked it because because it showed a
different side and not to not to say that you've
never had that element, but it was more caring on
that one.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But a part of that conversation we had was talking
about being vulnerable, and you mentioned some things on there
as far as your relationship with moms and you know,
and you even said it right off the back end
and the project, you know, being a crack baby, all
these things that you know, I'm sure a tough conversations
and things you may not want to dive into and
not sure how you want to peel back those layers.
(02:31):
But that was a part of the conversation that we
were having. I'm like, dude, people people kind of have
this image of who airplane James is, and I feel
like you need to kind of like dive into that
a little bit more. And you know, one side was
being humorous, but another side was being vulnerable, and I
felt like you definitely attack that man. So when I'm
listening to it, I'm like, oh, wow, this is this
(02:52):
is amazing that you're actually doing that man, talk about
like you said, you know, going to therapy and all
those things. Was it's something that not necessarily was pushed
on you, but something that you actually decided to do
with like, talk to me about that.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Before music, I would always have conversations with with Bird.
He's like a life coach mentor you know, and we would.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Always have the head of Donald Yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well, we would always have these music conversations right where
it's like God slaps. But he would always just be like, man,
that's cool, but like, you know what else? You know,
like he always be like Godeo dark Side. I'm like,
what the fuck is this nigga talking about?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
You feel me?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
But he was like, man, you should talk about the
things that you know you sit with by yourself. You'd
be surprised to see how many people go through that too, right. So,
you know, I just felt mentally stuck in twenty twenty four.
You know, I didn't know what it was, but you know,
I ended up going to therapy and you know, they
(03:59):
told me I suffer you know, post traumatic stress, chronic stress,
and you know, you got to start peeling back those
layers for you. So I got kids, you know, I
got a girl. You know, I'm trying to live a
long life. So taking that in and applying it to
the music, I'll never get this. I went to a
family function with Storm and it's an artist, La Ray.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Storm, and she was she.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Was having we was just having a conversation. She was
living in Arizona at the time, and she told me
what she do for work, and she says, you take
care of kids, and I'm like, oh, you know, I
was a foster kid, and like she down there teared
up and like gave me a hug. Wow, And that
right there was like it kind of gave me a
push to be like, man, speak your story because there's
so many people that need to hear that, because.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It's something so small that you just say casually, oh yeah, yeah,
that was I was a foster kid. Like, but that
makes an impact on somebody that you didn't even realize.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Right right, Like, and just to even get to that
spec took a lot, you know, I was that it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Was after therapy, a little bit of therapy work for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I was someone who used to be very embarrassed to
say that, you know what I'm saying, like that that
was my story, you know, but therapy helped me out,
like you know, like that's not something to.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Be ashamed of, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And there's so many people that's been in that situation,
like some people, you know, some fans or anybody out
there that looked like look at Airplane as a superheroes.
You know what I'm saying, like, oh he went through that,
I can overcome it too, because it's not an easy thing.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I love.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I love hearing that, man, because you know, in this
day and age right now, we're in the content space.
I was joking with you, you know, coming up, I'm
like the content bag, getting the pictures and stuff. But
with the content space, there's this, there's this, and it's
it's a message that even I kind of preached the
artists as well in terms of like documenting the process.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
We've heard Gary v and a lot of other people
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
But it's like, where is that that fine line between
over sharing, sharing too much and the mystique, you know
what I'm saying of an artist? And that's what I
was asking as far as the break, was it intentional?
But like you said, it was, it was life? But
how do you navigate that space now? Like understanding that
this is a space that people want to see a
lot of you know, you got to share the content,
(06:13):
gotta share the music, But at the same time, there
isn't a lure of like yo, when somebody goes.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Away for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You're one of those artists where it did that for me.
I'm like, damn, what are you being?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So many people like I saw banging on you one
day shout out to Dixon, like she sent me like
this long prayer Like I was like, I'm okay, I
thank you, I'm good, thank you, but I did appreciate it.
But you know, to be honest, like I start with
me first, you know, like if I'm not right, nothing
(06:43):
else is gonna be right.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So and as far as sharing stuff, I share what
I'm comfortable sharing, you know, like working out whether that's
you know, like I've taken that that space right now,
I'm super free. Like if you watch my story, be
a whole bunch of random sit like I post what
I want to post, you know what I'm saying, but
it's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So you don't feel obligated to actually share the not
not music, but like dropping so much content in the
sense of music, like there's no pressure for you to
be like I mean, I gotta get something out by
before the first quarter or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Not anymore good.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
That shit brought stress, you feel me. I'm treating my
shit like real art, you know, like it'll come when
it comes.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Now, you mentioned something and I casually said it when
I when I was or mentioned it when I when
I posted about the project right east Side Special three,
I was like, Yo, the trilogy, and I'm like, is
it a trilogy?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Like it was?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It always intended to be a trilogy. Is this an
ongoing series that you plan to keep on going with
or is this like this is it?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
This is the end of the story. In terms of
east Side Special.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
But like like when I did east Side Special one,
I didn't know I was going to do east Side
Special too. When I did east Side Special two, I
didn't know I was gonna do east Side Special three.
Man shout out to Dungeon music, shout out to sounds
like TC. You know after I got back outside after
going through life and shit summer, Yes, I think Summer
(08:16):
twenty twenty four. Like we were in the studio and
just the Beast they was playing and I really don't
know where to content you feel me It could have
been therapy because I don't know, but the Beast was
speaking to me and the type of content I was
putting on them. I'm like, this is east Side Special three.
It was never something I thought of before, you know
(08:36):
what I'm saying. So it may be an east Side
Special four or five. It just you know, it depends
on where I'm at, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So it's one of those things. It can be ongoing.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I like that too, though, the fact that I could
have a series.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I was gonna say it reminds me of two people.
Reminds me of Apps so long time.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You know, he said the last long term is gonna
be when he's rich, and five is so like we
who knows when we'll get that or where he feels
like he can put that project.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Out then that niggasna do another one, right, We're gonna
do another.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
One, like post Richard famous. It also reminds me of
of Wayne and the Carter.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
It's like a huge fan, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So it reminds me of that. But I brought it
up because you just.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Said I felt like, you know, I had a couple
of east Side specials, but I felt like this was
the perfect one to wrap up. So I'm like, all right,
it is it wrapping up in the sense of like
this is over, but it's it's not.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's whenever one of the content.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Comes in, like that's always gonna be a part of me.
You know, the content may change, but you feel me
like to me. I'm always speak to that because that's
where I came from.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So you said you had a few other versions and
you didn't feel like that was the right east Side special?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
What what? What imagery?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Where were you going in the direction where you said, okay,
this this isn't it, but this.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Is man, I wanted it to sound like two thousand
and six, you know, two thousands twenty ten that era
for me, you know what I'm saying, Like, so coming
off with apologies just the low key hurt because that
was a trilogy, you know what I'm saying, like getting
(10:11):
in that bag, so you know it was. I was
exercising a lot with the records, you know, like trying shit,
you know, like on row TS three, I got any
what's that walk? A flock of Harden and paint sample
like that's an LA staple for those who don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
You know what I'm saying. All the niggas did freestyles
to see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So I was trying to get somewhere but make it
authentically like East Side for me. So once I felt
like I had it, I didn't get it to Christmas,
to be honest, I did, like two new records on Christmas.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I was like, this is it?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
This is it?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Sporting Waves and Jiggy I did those two on Christmas.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
So even while when when so, because Roll to east
Side three came out in September, Yeah, so even that you.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Weren't dead locked on you know.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I was though I was supposed I was gonna because Version,
that's that's God though, because I was supposed to drop
right after Road t Y History, but the momentum, like,
to be honest, be real, I was just like, man,
it's a mixtape.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Milly was like, ah, nigga, I think you can sleep
on it, like.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You feel me, so I gotta take my hats off
to Millie like he definitely spearheaded that, and the momentum grew.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
So we just rolled away for that.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But I was really supposed to come right back and
like the next month, you feel me, So it would
have been out, but it gave me time. The momentum
gave me time to like tweak things. But I was
ready to come outside. Like those records you know, may
still see the light of day. It's not like they
weak or nothing, but it's just I caught a vibe
(11:49):
shout out to Vision he just does this thing where
he just drops beats. He don't tell you. You just
check your email one day and it's there.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I was like, Oh Christmas.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Talk to me about the team though, man, because you know,
I feel like you and TC, your names are synonymous
with each other. You know, I've known you guys separately, right,
I met you guys in different points, right, but you
guys are hand in hand. So like talk about sonically
the direction that he's had in your career, but at
the same time reachon now, you know, having Vision on
(12:22):
their dune music, like all these people that are part
of the project and curating this sound for Airplane James,
I feel like, which is kind of unique in itself
with the whole LA sound, but it's like you kind
of carving your own path within that, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, man, I would say like TC is literally like
the right hand you feel me like from everything you know,
Like it's it's to the point where it's like I'll
tell him like the story, but he experienced it too,
you feel me, he knows exactly where I want to
go with it. So, you know, Vision Dungeon music, like
(12:56):
we're all on the same same page with it, so
it's it's really a seamless, seamless process, but TC bring
it all together, you feel me, and it's like it's
all team ball.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, I love that, and even visually, like the aesthetics
and just to look to feel, you know, leading up
to a drop in the freestyles and just even the
look of the and I'm so madigant itches to make it,
but even the listening party led up to it, and
you know, getting the cassettes and just everything that's kind
(13:29):
of packaged around it. Bro Like talk about that as well.
You know, obviously I know the homie million Man's involved
in that.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
As well, but I love to get people they flowers
because you feel me like that was that was that
was his idea, you know, just to be so real,
like he was like it's dope, but like you feel me,
how can we make.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
This ship a movie? You feel me?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
It's one story right now, Let's make it a two
story crib.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
So the bricks and wood thing, I ain't That's what
kind of spearheaded. It kind of forced me to drop,
you know, because I have been wanting to collab with
bricks and woods like that shit right there. Special because
that's like my favorite brand, and I've been trying to
get a collab with him since like twenty nineteen. Wow,
and just by luck, you know, Milly was shopping in
(14:19):
there seeing him. You know, I was like, Man, were
trying to do this now?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
All these conversations that you're having with the team and
with people around like or is this something that you're
saying to yourself like damn, I would love a collab
with them, Or is it something that you're making a
point making it known even reaching out to him at
some point in time.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yeah, I definitely reached out a few like you know,
like I said, I've reached out over the years, and
you know, I've never I never probably said it to
the team, but like they see what I be dripped in,
you know what I'm saying. Like, so I might have
mentioned it once or twice and it was supposed to
happen but didn't. But I didn't really follow through. But
Milly was like, shit, we gonna make it happen. You
(14:58):
feel me and out out Casey. You know, he was
a man of his word. We got in the group chat.
That was an experience in itself. You know what I'm
saying that shit came right down to the wire. You
feel mean like this, He was like, man, I got
one date because you know he was doing he was
doing a lot of shit with New Balance, so he
was like, I got one date for you, and then
you know, after this date it might get tricky. I
(15:21):
think how much time we had, like three weeks to
get everything, get the project sequence mixed, picked the song
because I had a gang of songs, but picked the song.
It was it kind of forced us. And the energy
that came from that is what you saw from Roses three.
It was all organic. It was all like what we're
doing next week, we're doing And I love that, to
(15:42):
be honest, Like yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Like I said, I feel like you've been carving your
way and you know, with a lot of artists that
are out here, and I love seeing it because you know,
I've seen a handful, you know, countless artists go come
and go throughout the years.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, but I feel like that's.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
What's always made you stand apart from everybody. It's like
it's intentional. It's not like I'm just gonna throw the
shit out there and see what sticks. It's like, no,
we got to get the aesthetics right, we've got to
get the look right sonically, it's just all together, just
seems like and again going back to just building with
a team, like I think a lot of people that's
a lost artist And there's nothing wrong with reaching out
(16:20):
to get different production and nothing, nothing like that. But
it's something special when you when you're when you're able
to build with the solid core group and kind of
see each other come up throughout the years, and I feel.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Like you, I'm blessed. I'm blessed.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Like to be honest, like I've had conversations with people
who don't have that, you know, and just to see
how like they got to figure out everything, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But there's a there's a certain level of trusting also
because people can be in that situation but not necessarily
not necessarily trust the people that are around it, because
they're looking for, you know, the ones up there. It's like, man,
I want to collaborate do something with them. It's like,
now you've got people around you, let's see what we
can work with around here, you know what I mean.
So I mean that that's dope that you've been able
(17:05):
to do that, and we've been seeing the growth throughout
the years. Let's talk more about this project, Man East
Special three and some of the collapse on there. You
got an ice cold bitch up on there. Shout out
to Nate Curry. Yeah, Julia, I think three two three
calls one of my favorite song. Actually, it is my
favorite song on the project.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It it's something sor is hard. Oh, I'm lying. I
made that on Christmas too, Are you serious? Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So that was one of the ones that wasn't a
part of the original.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I do that ship every project though, Like niggas think
they got the project and then like they'll get the
Google drive before we like upload it.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And they're like, man, what the fuck is this a
little surprise for y'all?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
It's one in there, you know what I'm saying. It's
a blessing having a team. They gonna challenge you too, though,
you feel me. So sometimes I go against the grain
and I put some in there that came in and say nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Which it's going on? You can't say nothing?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Which one was one of them? Once?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Three three?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Like they fucked with it though, But I was like,
I don't want to no opinion.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Don't tell me your thoughts on this one.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I love it only thing. It's like, damn, we cut
up a dime on it. That was crazy, right, It's
not enough. I mean it's not never. It's never too late.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It's never the camera right there, dom never too late.
Get on three two three Deluxe version. But yeah, shout
out to Julia. Yeah, she's an amazing artist who reached
out to me in a d M. That's I'll be
checking my dms man, I'd be like, I'll be finding
some dope ship. She just DM me one day, was like.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You're dope.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I think we should work really, I was like, okay,
show me something. I'm like, whoa, you're dope.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Here you go. I loaded her up.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Was that the first one you guys worked on together?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Now we got a gang of them?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Okay, okay? I was like, the coming crazy If that
was the first, that's the first one.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You put out.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, that's the first one I put out. Got it?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Also want to miss Shy and right man, shout out
to Shine right amazing, amazing, talent, amazing And we'll get
into that song in a second, but I definitely want
to shout out as well, uh.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Nest Julius Julius man that and.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Of course wi J Yeah, yeah, reaching out to these
people or you know, collaborating now you just mentioned that
one of them came through d M or you know. Yeah,
I want you to talk about the process of this
because I feel like we can start with Ice Coach
Ice Cold Bishop. I feel like he cuts through on
any track that he's on. I felt like it was
the perfect one for you guys. Yeah, uh, to compliment
(19:39):
your style. But at the same time, it was like
just I mean, if you know Cold, if you hear
his voice, it's just it's commanding at all times. Man,
So talk about that song and that, you know, getting
him on there.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
So I had to. I had to record for a minute.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
But like you said, like you gonna know it's Ice
Cold Bishop. You feel me like his his voice really unique.
So I'm like this song in need, you know what
I'm saying, Like I want to break up the monotony,
you know what I'm saying. Like, I'm it's cool, but
I'm like, somebody need to come in and niggas be
like what the fuck? Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
(20:14):
So I sent it. It's crazy because me and him
been supposed to work, you know, but that shit worked
out how it's supposed to work out.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I sent him that record. He was like, I have it.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Back like three hours. You see it back in three
hours yep. And then it's crazy because he had a
way longer verse. But like TC was like, man, let
me try something. You feel me. So even on the record,
how me and him going back and forth, that's all
TC doing that?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Really yep?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Oh that's that's magic, right, That's what I'm saying to say, Like,
do you see one of.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
The ones, man, Oh my god. One of the most
creative songs on the record. I feel like you did
a visual for it was Connection, and I love how
the first go around listening to it, I'm like, Okay,
playing is in his you know bag, you know, talking
to the.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Chicks or whatever. I'm like, hold up. And then it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Until the visualize she got you were actually like talk
like it's like a I wouldn't call a love letter,
but you're talking to the streets.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
As if it's a girl, right.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And I was bugged because it happened a couple of
times about the project where I'm like, yo, who was
he talking to? Okay, he talked to his mom, so
talking to his grandma. Okay, he talked to I think
his girl is he talked to his daughter. And then
with that one, I'm like, Okay, who the fuck? Oh shit,
So talk talk about that that song. I feel like
that concept is so ill man, and I could be
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missing and that maybe somebody else who's done that, But
the way you did it was so unique to the
point where I'm like, it didn't take It took me
the second verse to realize, like, oh, he's not talking
about a chick. So talk about the concept and actually
you know what it all means and kind of break
it down for the people.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
So, yeah, that concept was I was basically like, man,
I got the sample from a vision you feel me,
and like sample saying you are everything you feel me,
and it's it's so easy to talk about your girl.
It's a lot of girl. It's a super layup. But
I was just like challenging myself, you know. And I
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was just like, man, what would it sound like like
Game Banger two? Gang you feel Me? Like what would
what would that love letter sound like?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You know?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
And so I was like, man, they gonna be on
the fence. Either they gonna get it or they're not
gonna get it, but once I laid it and I'm like,
oh yeah, it's It's crazy though, because bird he was like, man,
I did not know you was fucking.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Talking about that.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I'm like, man, what he was like, Man, I was
telling you to do the video with the girl and.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I was like, man, you ain't listening.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You feel me?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
He was like, man, this ship made me love it
even more.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So when when stuff like that happens, is it as
an artist? Is it frustrating when people don't understand the concept?
Or is it like you'll get it on the fourth
or fifth listen And that's the that's the point of
actually diving into the music, Like for you, how do
you receive that?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I love it like, I love the fact that he
had to come back and be like, like you talking
about that you feel me? Like, I don't mind if
you don't get it the first time round, but I
will put the little cookies and clues in there. You
feel me like the video, yeah, for instance, and if
you listen to the project, you got Warren g kind
of introduced in it.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, So now.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I want to I want to go there in a second.
But I love how the description on the in the video.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
You just put it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It's an old to the corners in the city that
raised him. Yeah, and I'm sticking on that because again,
let's just say Bird didn't get it right and you
had to explain it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
To him, right, would that part.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Be frustrating explaining it to him?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Explain it to him like he's coming back to you
for the third or fourth I'm like, all right, so
I got to grow cast it.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
This is what we're gonna do, is like Nigga, like.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
No, it wouldn't be frustrating. I like explaining this shit.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'm gonna tell you why I asked that, you know,
because Don has been having an incredible year, right, Yeah,
And I see all these theories about what gn X
means and what this song means and the super Bowl performance,
and I'm lad because I'm like, half the ship doesn't
even make sense. But there's a lot of connections that
could be made.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I'll be real.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
That's the part I hate a Moost like reach like dad,
niggas be like, man, you see he walked six times
left and then he stepped back.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That means he finna put the project out.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
On this bird.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Shit your ass down and get off Twitter, man.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
But I'm saying like so, And that's the reason why
I ask you, because it's like that's somebody is gonna
interpret it as that.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
You know what I mean that I did a good
fucking job. I got you overanalyzing. Don't get it?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Like, but.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Get ready for that ship, bro, because I feel like
that's the same time I think with with with art,
it's always subjective, right, But it's I always love to
always want to ask an artist that, like in the
process of it, like you, this is what it means
to you. You know what it means. But when other
people interpreted its something else. Is that something that like
you like or don't like?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
But it's art, you know, I've learned now I'm taking
an art class right now. Like it's all subjective, you know,
like somebody like she was showing us this art piece.
It was supposed to mean something. I'm like, I don't
I did not get that from that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I see a bird. I don't know what you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
You talking about like you know, but it's up for interpretation.
Those who get it get it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
You're taking an art class, Yeah, what's what's going on? Man?
Are you doing it for? Is it for your own learning?
Is it higher education? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Man?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
So my girl last year was like, uh, just take
a class, like you know, like do something new. And
I do graphic design already, you know, but I've always
like Nigga rigged it, you know what I'm saying, Like
I'll be making some shit happen and you don't even
know how to be making it happen. But I wanted
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to get the basics and actually learn how to do everything.
So I went for that one class. But the experience,
like if you listen to my story, you know, like
I wasn't the best kid in school, you know what
I'm saying, So even going to therapy about like I'm
just relearning a lot of stuff and giving shit different meanings.
You feel me like in school, I could have been
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a fucking scholar, but you know, like scared to sit
in the front, like scared to do certain things. You
feel me following the wrong people. So I'm like, man,
I'm gonna just take this one class because I wanted to,
but I also want to show myself like you can
put all of that shit that you gave as a child,
you can give that shit for meanings. So I went.
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You feel me sitting in the front. You're asking the
teacher ship, man, I don't get that. There should be
one thing I didn't do in school, not tell a teacher.
I don't get it. And I was just just just
hitting you. Feel me trying to figure it out on
my own. I don't figure it out. And I'm like,
I don't get this.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So what does that taught you? Though?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Like kind of doing the things that are uncomfortable, going
through the going through this journey again.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Like is it? How's it making you feel? Like?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
What are you?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
This whole process fulfilled to be so real like and
it's yeah, fulfilled, I would say fulfilled, like you know,
like doing certain shit, like even getting like an a
I'm like, damn, you feel me like it's it's giving
me something to celebrate. You feel me like back in
those spaces where I didn't didn't get celebrated, I'm celebrating myself.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Is that the only class you're taking?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Okay, so I took that class, right, but that shit
started something for me. I'm like talking to the councilor
he like, man, what you like? I'm like art, He like, shit,
you might as well get a degree Studio Arts. So
I'm like fuck it, you know because because the graphic
design program where I'm going, it's kind of like it
skips semesters. So I'm gonna be there anyway for these
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years to get the graphic design certificate. Yeah, I'm like,
I'm gonna pick up the degree while I'm there.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
So it's gave me a good it's given me a
good experience. O.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Man, that salute on that. That's that's actually really big, bro.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Like the fact that you were, you know, return to
school doing something that that's challenging you and then getting
something out of it and it's like fulfilling for you.
I think that's that's a testament to the type of
person that you are. But also like it's something that
people can actually look up Like damn if he can
do it, I can do it, you know what I mean?
He said something in the album and you can kind
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of like break down the full many for you you
were you were. There's a couple of lines, but this
one stood up to me. It says, but that doesn't
tell the story. Can you go before what that line
is and kind of break down like because I'll tell
you how I interpreted it. But for you, it's that
was the ending of the line. It says, but that
doesn't tell the story.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Right, So you're talking about the intro, right, So I
just took it like it's kind of like I was.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Giving you the statistics. You feel me like.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Kid left in the hospital by his moms. You feel
me like what is he going to amount to? You
know what I'm saying, But that don't even tell a story.
But then you know what I'm saying, I tell you
the trauma, but it still don't tell a story, right,
Like it gets deeper than that, So you know that
was my It was kind of like leaving the story
like on the cliffhanger, like come find out right right?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, And that's kind of like where I thought it was,
Like what you think the story is going to be,
it's not exactly you know what I mean, And it's
up to me to kind of create what the story
actually is.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
You know, you hear it also like just being like
a living testament, you know what I'm saying, Like all
those things could be a crutch, you know, but I'm
here right now. I'm not using it as a crutch.
You wouldn't know I was Foster here you wouldn't know
my mom abandoned me. You wouldn't you know unless I
tell you. Yeah, So that's what that means too.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Two of the lines that they cut through, I remember
that the one that I told you I text you
about when you mentioned, uh, this is on the Rota
east Side three. He's like basically that it was a
crack baby and whatever. Right, Yeah, that was when they
cut through. I'm like, damn, he's telling this story like that.
That's vulnerable as fuck.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
But then in SOSNG twenty three, you open up the
project talking about the firefighter shooting your mom's up with dope?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I get that right, Yeah, so exaggeration or no?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
So like my story crazy. So that happened, right, But
I didn't. I didn't meet my mom until I was
like nineteen. She ended up coming back into my life.
I had got a letter. I say that at the
end of a thicker than water like I ended up
getting a letter from the foster care agency like you know,
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we can help you. I was like at the time,
I'm like, I'm cool, you feel me. But I was like, man,
what if I got siblings, what's my real family? Like?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Those are things that I always wondered as a child,
So I went to look for it. That's a whole
story in itself, Like that shit was crazy, Like I
got the letter. All they did was giving me the
address you feel me and a number, but the number
didn't work, so I went down to the address. When
I'm going, I'm like, man, this shit near skared rough man.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Man, if you.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Still on bushit, that shit is funny toself because you imagine.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Like I don't even know if I want to know you.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
That was advars. I'm like, man, where the fuck they
got me at? So I pull up. I was straight,
I'm cool, Oh that's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
So I go there or whatever, right, nigga, this is
like some high security. I'm like, man, what the fuck
is this? So I go in there. I'm like, oh
it's what do hear?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And like who are you?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
I'm like her son, I was like, nigga, get out
of here. I'm like, man, I'm for real. He's like
he's looking at me like man, she I'm like, bro,
you feel me? So he like, man, I ain't gonna
lie to you.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
She moved six months ago. Wow, I'm like, man, just
take my number. You feel me if you see her
in the area. He was like, yeah, it's the church.
She'd be going to this church around here, So he
took my number. I ain't hear nothing until like seven
months later, I get a call like feel me this one, Dal.
I'm like, yes, it's like this your mom.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Boy. That shit.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I'm glad she can talk your fucking ear off. To
this day, I can't get a word in because I ain't.
I couldn't say nothing. You feel me like she was
just talking, talking, talking. She was like, and here's my address,
you can come see me. I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
So okay, I just got one question. I got a
couple questions, but I'm gonna just start with this one.
What was What was her mindset when she got on
the line. Was an apologetic type of situation, no man.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
And I'm glad it wasn't. You feel me like she
was real confident. You feel me like like she know
me my whole life, you know, like she was to
be honest. I don't remember the conversation. I probably was
in shocked, but I do remember going over to her
house and the only thing I really remember, because that
shit is a blur is like her showing me pictures
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of my family and shit, I'm like, damn, this shit
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
You feel me?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Like showing me my grandma, showing me my great grandma,
showing me my cousins feel me. I got a sister.
She showed me my sister, you feel me? And I
was just like, that's what I really remember from that story.
But like, as our relationship grew, I will always tell
her like, you know, I don't really want to hear
you know what I'm saying, what happened? And I don't
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know why that kind of like, you know, we struggled
with that to this day, where she like, how do
I say, Like she'd be wanting to.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Like save me.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
I'm I don't me saving you know what I'm saying.
So so it's almost like she wanted to tell me
so that she can feel better, you feel me, And
that was theology apologetic tone, you know what I'm saying.
But she ended up telling me one day the story
and I was like, damn, you know, but I always
had empathy for her, you know, as I grew older,
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Like you know, in false care, I had to take
certain classes like I never like I on thicker than water.
I said, I never did drugs. I never smoked to
this day because of that reason. So, but I still
had to take certain classes and stuff. So when you
take those classes, you realized, like, man, that's a sickness.
Then you get older, you're like, damn ninety two, what
was going on in them time?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
You feel me?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
So I've always had empathy for it. So when I
met her, I had that empathy too. God, so when
she told me it was just like this was a
party drug at the time. You feel me like, and
a nigga that's supposed to be like protecting serve gave
you some ship and you know what I'm saying, Like, bro,
and that hearing that story was like, damn, she don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
On the flip side, it makes greatful. It's a hell
of a story, you know what I mean. That shit
is gonna be somewhere. We're gonna start with the project first, right.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
No.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
But I the reason why I said that is because
you got straight to it, you know what I mean.
And I feel like from the conversation we had, that's
what I appreciated about it because instead of kind of
searching and figuring out what you know, because for the
people that don't don't know, like we would have offline conversations,
I would see you and it's like, oh you one
person in person, but on on on on camera or
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you know what I mean, I don't know if you
turn it.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
On and off. And I was like, damn, I just
wish people.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Saw that side of you. And the fact I feel
like you're you, You're getting there, You've done that these
these last two projects is a great display at at
so I commenced it. And even hearing about you taking
classes and just won to further your education in that
sense and challenging yourself. I think that's that's all a
part of the work that you're doing. And I think
that's that's just amazing. It's gonna benefiture not just for
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the music aspect, but just for life. So you know,
coulos to you on that and and I love how on.
For those that haven't heard it, you know, please go
go check out the project east Side Special three. You
start off with those stories and then you ended off
with again the Thicket and water Joint where and helped
me out with this because I felt like it was
a conversation to her and then was.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
It so the beginning. I'm talking to uh. I called
it my grandmother, the lady who raised me, took me
in from birth. And I gotta speak about that too,
because like foster kids, that's like something that they all
go through, like fear of having to restart again. You
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feel me like that's something that I never have to do,
Like you know, from day one, she vowed to never
let me have to like bounce home to home. You
feel me like that's my family. But it's like certain
things like in the household was missed. You know what
I'm saying, Like you grew up with your siblings and
stuff like that, and they're telling you like, oh you
don't got you don't got mom or whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
So that's the first part is like navigating those feelings
and you know, trying to get my grandma to tell
me the truth because I'm getting older and shit not
adding up right, You.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Like my brother don't look like my brother, or.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
You like and you know you going to school. Niggas
be like, man, nigga, how is at your mom? Nigga? Hell?
Now you feel me? You're like it is moa, you
feel me right there now.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I'm going on like.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Half me mother.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
But yeah, so the first the first part is me
giving her flowers you feel me, and then the second
part is me telling the story about how I met
my mom. You feel me, like even the process of
that getting a letter and like being like no, I'm cool,
and then to meeting her and telling her like, man,
it's cool.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Like, let's pick up where it's at now. I've been
trying to make that song since twenty nineteen. By the way,
Cheyenne was there when I laid the first verse, you
feel me, pandemic. Pandemic happened, blast you feel me. Yeah,
became the hottest nigga, she torn with him, Yeah, touring and.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
We made it happening like oh that twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's wow. So that's a five year process.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yes, So for you after making that song, did you
know like, Okay, the story is complete.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I got that off my chest, Like yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yeah. It was more so like, man, I'm able to
like say it. You know, there was a point in time,
well I couldn't say these things. You know what I'm saying,
Like say it with confidence and you know what I'm saying,
stand on it and hopefully be a beacon of light
to somebody out there that's going through.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
The same thing.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, and even from from that song, the beauty in
it if you haven't heard it, and then go back
and listen to it if you didn't catch it, it's
like the beauty of it is you making those connections
of like, well, I'm kind of glad all this shit
happened because you know, I wouldn't be the person I
am today.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I wouldn't be as strong as I am.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
You know, all the things that you have, it wouldn't
be it would it's because of this relationship or black
thereof you know what I mean exact And again, somebody
that's listening going through it, it's relatable, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, So again I applaud you for for kind of
like standing on that and really showcasing, pilling back the layers,
doing the work on yourself, and then showcasing it to
the people, because I think that that's something that's gonna,
you know, continue to take you farther and you know,
I love that, bro. Warn Gee, I want to talk
about that before we get up out of here. Man,
how did you get that connection with him to to
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do the intro to that what did you paint the
picture of how it all worked out?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
So bad Luck introduced us in like twenty twenty two
or twenty twenty one, and you know.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
He wanted to.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
He was working on an album and shit, I was
driving down there working on his Man. He's the coolest nigga.
So cool ever, man like nigga like your uncle, like
meeting him for the first time. Nigga was making his
all type of food shit like.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Biff and Griffin's on deck.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yes he did.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I'm like, man.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
So we did those records there and then we just
kept a relationship throughout the years where he'll text me
some or I'll text him, text him something. But I
think he was on the road and I just was
like the connect I was thinking about the listener, being like,
they're not gonna get this ship. Let me put somebody
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on this ship that can like usher it in. So
I just threw the hell Mary, all of this ship
was last minute. I hit you the like, hey, man,
I need you to you know what I'm saying. I
need you to speak, you know, like, what's the connection
to the streets with the with the youth. I asked
him that, I'm like, but answer me in a voice note,
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and that was his answer. I'm like, cool, thanks, You're
on the album, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
So but did you tell him the name of the
song or did you after you got the voice back?
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (41:47):
So all I had was his voice note. TC took
that ship did some TC shit and he put it
on the end of Handle My Scandal. At first, Billy
again was like, thinka that's war g.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
To have his own.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
I'm like.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Right, So once I put it on there, I sent
it to him here like, man, this ship hard body.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, you know, I got to ask you about fatherhood.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Man, you talked about being a father.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
You mentioned your your two daughters on the project. What
do you think they would say the type of father
that you are?
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Careful, observant, loving and a listener. I'm a great listener,
you know, like this in these times where life is
moving so fast, you know, like I make sure that
for the most part you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
We're all human.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
But for the most part, it don't matter what I'm doing.
You know, Like my youngest is at that stage where
you know they want to say the same thing you feel, mean,
like they want to ask you, but it takes them
forever to ask you.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
You've ever seen that meme where.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
She's at that She's at that phase where it's like
I was leaving the gym today, tweaking off for Selsie.
You know what I mean, I'm like, girl it out,
I'm trying to play this motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Next right now.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
She like, you know, you know, you know, you know,
I'm like, what you're trying to say? You feel mean,
But that's that's me. That's what they were saying, like
if if nothing else, he gonna listen to me, you
know what I'm saying now.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I was thinking that because and I'm trying to pull
up this other line that you had.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
On the album. Damn, I had it right here.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Where you said, uh okay, I don't have you said,
I like, basically, what's her dad? I didn't have that,
like I don't I don't know what that is. And
I was wondering how you navigate fatherhood without having that
example and not not having that resentment, because you know,
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when life shit happens to people like you talk about
the drugs, right, you know, some people choose to say
man that like you, I'm not even touching or being
anywhere near like drugs or anything.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I'm not even touching that shit. Yeah, and there's other
people that's like, well, I'm you know, I'm gonna prove
that I'm stronger than this shit or whatever.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Right, same thing for fatherhood, Right, It's like some people
look at that as a challenging want to be a
better father than their father was. And then there's other
times where some people just mimic what their dad did. So,
you know, how do you navigate fatherhood in that sense,
not having that example, but at the same time being present,
being being the listener, being all these things that she say,
(44:43):
your daughters will explain.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
You as well.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
I mean a little bit goes based off my childhood
and what I didn't have, and I get a chance
to do it all over again. But it's something I
don't know, you know. And I have mentors. I have
other people who are fathers that I you know, that
I reach out too. But for the most part, I'm
very aware of what happened to me as a child
(45:08):
and the things that people didn't know, you know, like
not feeling heard, not you know what I'm saying. So
I make sure I do those things.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Heintce the listener.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, exactly. I love that.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Any parting party dad advice that you would give to people,
I feel like I always got to ask you an
updated version because you know, I'm learning as a dad myself.
Like you can get used to one stage, but the
moment you get used to that one stage is gonna
be a whole new stage. You know what I mean
in terms of like your kids in their age, and
it's like, oh, okay, I thought I had this in it.
I thought I had this in the bag, Like me
(45:46):
having two boys, I thought after the first one, I
was like, yeah, okay, just carbon copy the other one.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Completely different personality.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
I would say, I apologize to your kids. You're not
always right and they need to hear it often, you know,
like if you make them mistake, I apologize to him.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Bro, that hit home.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I'm not gonna lie that hit home. I gotta apologize
about some some ship that. Yeah, that that hit home.
That hit home?
Speaker 2 (46:11):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
What can we expect from Airplane James moving forward to
It's gonna take another year for us.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
To hear from you again musically?
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Hell no, I'm working on the fucking Deluxe right now.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Just let the cat out.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Go there there go donb what's up? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Just follow me on Twitter too. I'm sawing up crazy
show this ship.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
That is wild because I really be a fan.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Man, look at this. Just follow me today. Wow, throw
me on that tour.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Niggas over man. Okay, So so you're working on the music.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Man, you're just gonna be seeing more ship man, Like
I'm out of my head, bro, Like you feel me
like I'm treating this or like really like school helping Tuto,
you know, like going to our clas and seeing it
from that perspective, like I'm not giving myself a chance
to psych myself out. Like I like this ship. I
feel it. I'm gonna put it out to the world. Yeah,
(47:09):
you feel me like you've been knowing me since I
used to have a thousand songs on the hard drive.
We're not letting it the hard drive build up this year.
I like all the freestyles like when I did them
when I really I mean when I dropped on Instagram
they was done thirty minutes before.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
You feel me like that was that?
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Is that a routine that you're you're being conscious on doing? Like, Okay,
it's over. I gotta put it out because I don't
want to hold this ship for Is that a challenge
for yourself? Is that the team that's telling you a go?
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Because I went rod the first three ones, I ain't
gonna lie. I was in the airport, I was coming
back from Vegas. I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna
throw this ship up. I'm be in the air Yeah,
I'm gonna go to sleep for thirty minutes to see
what happens.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Nobody blew my phone. It was going up.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
I'm like, I'm gonna do it again, said nigga, what
the fuck you got? It's like you got you guys,
you got some shit going. So I got my own studio.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
I record crazy like crazy, So I'm like, man, I'm
gonna just do these ships and drop them and see
you know what I'm saying. It was kind of like
a case study because then after that we dropped it
on Untitled and were able to get the data off
of that.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
The analytics, baby, yo, man, they're playing James Man, I'm
so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I love seeing the progress.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
I love hearing the life updates, man, and just seeing
you in a great space. I feel like the last conversation,
you gotta glow about you, bro, and appreciate I love
seeing it and I'm gonna continue to support and whatever
you need on my end we here.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Bro Man, I appreciate you always.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Shuck absolutely man homegrown radio, keeping it homegrown, live and
direct on the airplane
Speaker 4 (48:52):
All that east Side Special three out now Boom
All right, Chuck, dizzle, back at it live and direct. Man,
keep it a homegrown as always.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man. Got a brother in here that I've been you know,
watching for years.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The east Side Special three is out right now seeing
airplane James is here.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Man, what's the deal?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's always good seeing you first and foremost. So you know,
I felt like this last year twenty twenty four, like,
damn plane planing be kind of quiet? Man, plane being
kind of quiet? Is that is that intentional for you?
Is there like some living that you have to do
in between projects, because I feel like after apology accepted
it is the last time you were here, right yeah,
(00:43):
and then the road to east Side three it was
a gap between that. So for you, is it is
it intentional with taking time taking a break or is
it just just life?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Bro?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I think it's a combination all three. Just to be
so real, Like I was going through some things meant
league when dropping apology accept it. So after that drop,
I think I had a conversation with you, you know,
so started going to therapy and doing things like that,
(01:15):
and then was able to get back in the studio.
And you know, the studio process for me like these
days like it's like I'm trying to get somewhere. Like
I knew east Side Special three was the ending, so
I kept trying to paint those pictures. I didn't like
the pictures I was painting, so I just you know
what I'm saying. When I felt it was ready, I
put Roll to Yes three out. Those were records that
(01:36):
were supposed to be on east Side Special three. They
were good enough to be on eas Side Special three,
but it was just too many songs. So I figured,
let's do a mixtape first and then come on the album.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
To yeeah I mean, I mean and without I'm not
gonna say without diving too deep into it, cause I
felt like you did a good job of being vulnerable
on this album. And when Roll to east Side three
came out, I text you I was like, who is
sound aggressive?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
This is?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
This is a little more aggressive than that I'm used.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
To And I liked it because because it showed a
different side and not to not to say that you've
never had that element, but it was more caring on
that one.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But a part of that conversation we had was talking
about being vulnerable, and you mentioned some things on there
as far as your relationship with moms and you know,
and you even said it right off the back end
and the project, you know, being a crack baby, all
these things that you know, I'm sure a tough conversations
and things you may not want to dive into and
not sure how you want to peel back those layers.
(02:31):
But that was a part of the conversation that we
were having. I'm like, dude, people people kind of have
this image of who airplane James is, and I feel
like you need to kind of like dive into that
a little bit more. And you know, one side was
being humorous, but another side was being vulnerable, and I
felt like you definitely attack that man. So when I'm
listening to it, I'm like, oh, wow, this is this
(02:52):
is amazing that you're actually doing that man, talk about
like you said, you know, going to therapy and all
those things. Was it's something that not necessarily was pushed
on you, but something that you actually decided to do
with like, talk to me about that.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Before music, I would always have conversations with with Bird.
He's like a life coach mentor you know, and we would.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Always have the head of Donald Yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well, we would always have these music conversations right where
it's like God slaps. But he would always just be like, man,
that's cool, but like, you know what else? You know,
like he always be like Godeo dark Side. I'm like,
what the fuck is this nigga talking about?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
You feel me?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
But he was like, man, you should talk about the
things that you know you sit with by yourself. You'd
be surprised to see how many people go through that too, right. So,
you know, I just felt mentally stuck in twenty twenty four.
You know, I didn't know what it was, but you know,
I ended up going to therapy and you know, they
(03:59):
told me I suffer you know, post traumatic stress, chronic stress,
and you know, you got to start peeling back those
layers for you. So I got kids, you know, I
got a girl. You know, I'm trying to live a
long life. So taking that in and applying it to
the music, I'll never get this. I went to a
family function with Storm and it's an artist, La Ray.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Storm, and she was she.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Was having we was just having a conversation. She was
living in Arizona at the time, and she told me
what she do for work, and she says, you take
care of kids, and I'm like, oh, you know, I
was a foster kid, and like she down there teared
up and like gave me a hug. Wow, And that
right there was like it kind of gave me a
push to be like, man, speak your story because there's
so many people that need to hear that, because.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It's something so small that you just say casually, oh yeah, yeah,
that was I was a foster kid. Like, but that
makes an impact on somebody that you didn't even realize.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Right right, Like, and just to even get to that
spec took a lot, you know, I was that it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Was after therapy, a little bit of therapy work for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I was someone who used to be very embarrassed to
say that, you know what I'm saying, like that that
was my story, you know, but therapy helped me out,
like you know, like that's not something to.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Be ashamed of, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And there's so many people that's been in that situation,
like some people, you know, some fans or anybody out
there that looked like look at Airplane as a superheroes.
You know what I'm saying, like, oh he went through that,
I can overcome it too, because it's not an easy thing.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I love.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I love hearing that, man, because you know, in this
day and age right now, we're in the content space.
I was joking with you, you know, coming up, I'm
like the content bag, getting the pictures and stuff. But
with the content space, there's this, there's this, and it's
it's a message that even I kind of preached the
artists as well in terms of like documenting the process.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
We've heard Gary v and a lot of other people
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
But it's like, where is that that fine line between
over sharing, sharing too much and the mystique, you know
what I'm saying of an artist? And that's what I
was asking as far as the break, was it intentional?
But like you said, it was, it was life? But
how do you navigate that space now? Like understanding that
this is a space that people want to see a
lot of you know, you got to share the content,
(06:13):
gotta share the music, But at the same time, there
isn't a lure of like yo, when somebody goes.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Away for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You're one of those artists where it did that for me.
I'm like, damn, what are you being?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So many people like I saw banging on you one
day shout out to Dixon, like she sent me like
this long prayer Like I was like, I'm okay, I
thank you, I'm good, thank you, but I did appreciate it.
But you know, to be honest, like I start with
me first, you know, like if I'm not right, nothing
(06:43):
else is gonna be right.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So and as far as sharing stuff, I share what
I'm comfortable sharing, you know, like working out whether that's
you know, like I've taken that that space right now,
I'm super free. Like if you watch my story, be
a whole bunch of random sit like I post what
I want to post, you know what I'm saying, but
it's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So you don't feel obligated to actually share the not
not music, but like dropping so much content in the
sense of music, like there's no pressure for you to
be like I mean, I gotta get something out by
before the first quarter or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Not anymore good.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
That shit brought stress, you feel me. I'm treating my
shit like real art, you know, like it'll come when
it comes.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Now, you mentioned something and I casually said it when
I when I was or mentioned it when I when
I posted about the project right east Side Special three,
I was like, Yo, the trilogy, and I'm like, is
it a trilogy?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Like it was?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It always intended to be a trilogy. Is this an
ongoing series that you plan to keep on going with
or is this like this is it?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
This is the end of the story. In terms of
east Side Special.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
But like like when I did east Side Special one,
I didn't know I was going to do east Side
Special too. When I did east Side Special two, I
didn't know I was gonna do east Side Special three.
Man shout out to Dungeon music, shout out to sounds
like TC. You know after I got back outside after
going through life and shit summer, Yes, I think Summer
(08:16):
twenty twenty four. Like we were in the studio and
just the Beast they was playing and I really don't
know where to content you feel me It could have
been therapy because I don't know, but the Beast was
speaking to me and the type of content I was
putting on them. I'm like, this is east Side Special three.
It was never something I thought of before, you know
(08:36):
what I'm saying. So it may be an east Side
Special four or five. It just you know, it depends
on where I'm at, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So it's one of those things. It can be ongoing.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I like that too, though, the fact that I could
have a series.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I was gonna say it reminds me of two people.
Reminds me of Apps so long time.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You know, he said the last long term is gonna
be when he's rich, and five is so like we
who knows when we'll get that or where he feels
like he can put that project.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Out then that niggasna do another one, right, We're gonna
do another.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
One, like post Richard famous. It also reminds me of
of Wayne and the Carter.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
It's like a huge fan, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So it reminds me of that. But I brought it
up because you just.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Said I felt like, you know, I had a couple
of east Side specials, but I felt like this was
the perfect one to wrap up. So I'm like, all right,
it is it wrapping up in the sense of like
this is over, but it's it's not.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's whenever one of the content.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Comes in, like that's always gonna be a part of me.
You know, the content may change, but you feel me
like to me. I'm always speak to that because that's
where I came from.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So you said you had a few other versions and
you didn't feel like that was the right east Side special?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
What what? What imagery?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Where were you going in the direction where you said, okay,
this this isn't it, but this.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Is man, I wanted it to sound like two thousand
and six, you know, two thousands twenty ten that era
for me, you know what I'm saying, Like, so coming
off with apologies just the low key hurt because that
was a trilogy, you know what I'm saying, like getting
(10:11):
in that bag, so you know it was. I was
exercising a lot with the records, you know, like trying shit,
you know, like on row TS three, I got any
what's that walk? A flock of Harden and paint sample
like that's an LA staple for those who don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
You know what I'm saying. All the niggas did freestyles
to see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So I was trying to get somewhere but make it
authentically like East Side for me. So once I felt
like I had it, I didn't get it to Christmas,
to be honest, I did, like two new records on Christmas.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I was like, this is it?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
This is it?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Sporting Waves and Jiggy I did those two on Christmas.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
So even while when when so, because Roll to east
Side three came out in September, Yeah, so even that you.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Weren't dead locked on you know.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I was though I was supposed I was gonna because Version,
that's that's God though, because I was supposed to drop
right after Road t Y History, but the momentum, like,
to be honest, be real, I was just like, man,
it's a mixtape.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Milly was like, ah, nigga, I think you can sleep
on it, like.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You feel me, so I gotta take my hats off
to Millie like he definitely spearheaded that, and the momentum grew.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
So we just rolled away for that.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But I was really supposed to come right back and
like the next month, you feel me, So it would
have been out, but it gave me time. The momentum
gave me time to like tweak things. But I was
ready to come outside. Like those records you know, may
still see the light of day. It's not like they
weak or nothing, but it's just I caught a vibe
(11:49):
shout out to Vision he just does this thing where
he just drops beats. He don't tell you. You just
check your email one day and it's there.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I was like, Oh Christmas.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Talk to me about the team though, man, because you know,
I feel like you and TC, your names are synonymous
with each other. You know, I've known you guys separately, right,
I met you guys in different points, right, but you
guys are hand in hand. So like talk about sonically
the direction that he's had in your career, but at
the same time reachon now, you know, having Vision on
(12:22):
their dune music, like all these people that are part
of the project and curating this sound for Airplane James,
I feel like, which is kind of unique in itself
with the whole LA sound, but it's like you kind
of carving your own path within that, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, man, I would say like TC is literally like
the right hand you feel me like from everything you know,
Like it's it's to the point where it's like I'll
tell him like the story, but he experienced it too,
you feel me, he knows exactly where I want to
go with it. So, you know, Vision Dungeon music, like
(12:56):
we're all on the same same page with it, so
it's it's really a seamless, seamless process, but TC bring
it all together, you feel me, and it's like it's
all team ball.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, I love that, and even visually, like the aesthetics
and just to look to feel, you know, leading up
to a drop in the freestyles and just even the
look of the and I'm so madigant itches to make it,
but even the listening party led up to it, and
you know, getting the cassettes and just everything that's kind
(13:29):
of packaged around it. Bro Like talk about that as well.
You know, obviously I know the homie million Man's involved
in that.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
As well, but I love to get people they flowers
because you feel me like that was that was that
was his idea, you know, just to be so real,
like he was like it's dope, but like you feel me,
how can we make.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
This ship a movie? You feel me?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
It's one story right now, Let's make it a two
story crib.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
So the bricks and wood thing, I ain't That's what
kind of spearheaded. It kind of forced me to drop,
you know, because I have been wanting to collab with
bricks and woods like that shit right there. Special because
that's like my favorite brand, and I've been trying to
get a collab with him since like twenty nineteen. Wow,
and just by luck, you know, Milly was shopping in
(14:19):
there seeing him. You know, I was like, Man, were
trying to do this now?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
All these conversations that you're having with the team and
with people around like or is this something that you're
saying to yourself like damn, I would love a collab
with them, Or is it something that you're making a
point making it known even reaching out to him at
some point in time.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yeah, I definitely reached out a few like you know,
like I said, I've reached out over the years, and
you know, I've never I never probably said it to
the team, but like they see what I be dripped in,
you know what I'm saying. Like, so I might have
mentioned it once or twice and it was supposed to
happen but didn't. But I didn't really follow through. But
Milly was like, shit, we gonna make it happen. You
(14:58):
feel me and out out Casey. You know, he was
a man of his word. We got in the group chat.
That was an experience in itself. You know what I'm
saying that shit came right down to the wire. You
feel mean like this, He was like, man, I got
one date because you know he was doing he was
doing a lot of shit with New Balance, so he
was like, I got one date for you, and then
you know, after this date it might get tricky. I
(15:21):
think how much time we had, like three weeks to
get everything, get the project sequence mixed, picked the song
because I had a gang of songs, but picked the song.
It was it kind of forced us. And the energy
that came from that is what you saw from Roses three.
It was all organic. It was all like what we're
doing next week, we're doing And I love that, to
(15:42):
be honest, Like yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Like I said, I feel like you've been carving your
way and you know, with a lot of artists that
are out here, and I love seeing it because you know,
I've seen a handful, you know, countless artists go come
and go throughout the years.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, but I feel like that's.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
What's always made you stand apart from everybody. It's like
it's intentional. It's not like I'm just gonna throw the
shit out there and see what sticks. It's like, no,
we got to get the aesthetics right, we've got to
get the look right sonically, it's just all together, just
seems like and again going back to just building with
a team, like I think a lot of people that's
a lost artist And there's nothing wrong with reaching out
(16:20):
to get different production and nothing, nothing like that. But
it's something special when you when you're when you're able
to build with the solid core group and kind of
see each other come up throughout the years, and I feel.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Like you, I'm blessed. I'm blessed.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Like to be honest, like I've had conversations with people
who don't have that, you know, and just to see
how like they got to figure out everything, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But there's a there's a certain level of trusting also
because people can be in that situation but not necessarily
not necessarily trust the people that are around it, because
they're looking for, you know, the ones up there. It's like, man,
I want to collaborate do something with them. It's like,
now you've got people around you, let's see what we
can work with around here, you know what I mean.
So I mean that that's dope that you've been able
(17:05):
to do that, and we've been seeing the growth throughout
the years. Let's talk more about this project, Man East
Special three and some of the collapse on there. You
got an ice cold bitch up on there. Shout out
to Nate Curry. Yeah, Julia, I think three two three
calls one of my favorite song. Actually, it is my
favorite song on the project.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It it's something sor is hard. Oh, I'm lying. I
made that on Christmas too, Are you serious? Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So that was one of the ones that wasn't a
part of the original.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I do that ship every project though, Like niggas think
they got the project and then like they'll get the
Google drive before we like upload it.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And they're like, man, what the fuck is this a
little surprise for y'all?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
It's one in there, you know what I'm saying. It's
a blessing having a team. They gonna challenge you too, though,
you feel me. So sometimes I go against the grain
and I put some in there that came in and say nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Which it's going on? You can't say nothing?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Which one was one of them? Once?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Three three?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Like they fucked with it though, But I was like,
I don't want to no opinion.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Don't tell me your thoughts on this one.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I love it only thing. It's like, damn, we cut
up a dime on it. That was crazy, right, It's
not enough. I mean it's not never. It's never too late.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It's never the camera right there, dom never too late.
Get on three two three Deluxe version. But yeah, shout
out to Julia. Yeah, she's an amazing artist who reached
out to me in a d M. That's I'll be
checking my dms man, I'd be like, I'll be finding
some dope ship. She just DM me one day, was like.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You're dope.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I think we should work really, I was like, okay,
show me something. I'm like, whoa, you're dope.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Here you go. I loaded her up.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Was that the first one you guys worked on together?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Now we got a gang of them?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Okay, okay? I was like, the coming crazy If that
was the first, that's the first one.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You put out.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, that's the first one I put out. Got it?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Also want to miss Shy and right man, shout out
to Shine right amazing, amazing, talent, amazing And we'll get
into that song in a second, but I definitely want
to shout out as well, uh.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Nest Julius Julius man that and.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Of course wi J Yeah, yeah, reaching out to these
people or you know, collaborating now you just mentioned that
one of them came through d M or you know. Yeah,
I want you to talk about the process of this
because I feel like we can start with Ice Coach
Ice Cold Bishop. I feel like he cuts through on
any track that he's on. I felt like it was
the perfect one for you guys. Yeah, uh, to compliment
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your style. But at the same time, it was like
just I mean, if you know Cold, if you hear
his voice, it's just it's commanding at all times. Man,
So talk about that song and that, you know, getting
him on there.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
So I had to. I had to record for a minute.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
But like you said, like you gonna know it's Ice
Cold Bishop. You feel me like his his voice really unique.
So I'm like this song in need, you know what
I'm saying, Like I want to break up the monotony,
you know what I'm saying. Like, I'm it's cool, but
I'm like, somebody need to come in and niggas be
like what the fuck? Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
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So I sent it. It's crazy because me and him
been supposed to work, you know, but that shit worked
out how it's supposed to work out.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I sent him that record. He was like, I have it.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Back like three hours. You see it back in three
hours yep. And then it's crazy because he had a
way longer verse. But like TC was like, man, let
me try something. You feel me. So even on the record,
how me and him going back and forth, that's all
TC doing that?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Really yep?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Oh that's that's magic, right, That's what I'm saying to say, Like,
do you see one of.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
The ones, man, Oh my god. One of the most
creative songs on the record. I feel like you did
a visual for it was Connection, and I love how
the first go around listening to it, I'm like, Okay,
playing is in his you know bag, you know, talking
to the.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Chicks or whatever. I'm like, hold up. And then it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Until the visualize she got you were actually like talk
like it's like a I wouldn't call a love letter,
but you're talking to the streets.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
As if it's a girl, right.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And I was bugged because it happened a couple of
times about the project where I'm like, yo, who was
he talking to? Okay, he talked to his mom, so
talking to his grandma. Okay, he talked to I think
his girl is he talked to his daughter. And then
with that one, I'm like, Okay, who the fuck? Oh shit,
So talk talk about that that song. I feel like
that concept is so ill man, and I could be
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missing and that maybe somebody else who's done that, But
the way you did it was so unique to the
point where I'm like, it didn't take It took me
the second verse to realize, like, oh, he's not talking
about a chick. So talk about the concept and actually
you know what it all means and kind of break
it down for the people.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
So, yeah, that concept was I was basically like, man,
I got the sample from a vision you feel me,
and like sample saying you are everything you feel me,
and it's it's so easy to talk about your girl.
It's a lot of girl. It's a super layup. But
I was just like challenging myself, you know. And I
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was just like, man, what would it sound like like
Game Banger two? Gang you feel Me? Like what would
what would that love letter sound like?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You know?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
And so I was like, man, they gonna be on
the fence. Either they gonna get it or they're not
gonna get it, but once I laid it and I'm like,
oh yeah, it's It's crazy though, because bird he was like, man,
I did not know you was fucking.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Talking about that.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I'm like, man, what he was like, Man, I was
telling you to do the video with the girl and.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I was like, man, you ain't listening.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You feel me?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
He was like, man, this ship made me love it
even more.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So when when stuff like that happens, is it as
an artist? Is it frustrating when people don't understand the concept?
Or is it like you'll get it on the fourth
or fifth listen And that's the that's the point of
actually diving into the music, Like for you, how do
you receive that?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I love it like, I love the fact that he
had to come back and be like, like you talking
about that you feel me? Like, I don't mind if
you don't get it the first time round, but I
will put the little cookies and clues in there. You
feel me like the video, yeah, for instance, and if
you listen to the project, you got Warren g kind
of introduced in it.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, So now.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I want to I want to go there in a second.
But I love how the description on the in the video.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
You just put it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
It's an old to the corners in the city that
raised him. Yeah, and I'm sticking on that because again,
let's just say Bird didn't get it right and you
had to explain it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
To him, right, would that part.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Be frustrating explaining it to him?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Explain it to him like he's coming back to you
for the third or fourth I'm like, all right, so
I got to grow cast it.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
This is what we're gonna do, is like Nigga, like.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
No, it wouldn't be frustrating. I like explaining this shit.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'm gonna tell you why I asked that, you know,
because Don has been having an incredible year, right, Yeah,
And I see all these theories about what gn X
means and what this song means and the super Bowl performance,
and I'm lad because I'm like, half the ship doesn't
even make sense. But there's a lot of connections that
could be made.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I'll be real.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
That's the part I hate a Moost like reach like dad,
niggas be like, man, you see he walked six times
left and then he stepped back.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That means he finna put the project out.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
On this bird.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Shit your ass down and get off Twitter, man.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
But I'm saying like so, And that's the reason why
I ask you, because it's like that's somebody is gonna
interpret it as that.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
You know what I mean that I did a good
fucking job. I got you overanalyzing. Don't get it?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Like, but.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Get ready for that ship, bro, because I feel like
that's the same time I think with with with art,
it's always subjective, right, But it's I always love to
always want to ask an artist that, like in the
process of it, like you, this is what it means
to you. You know what it means. But when other
people interpreted its something else. Is that something that like
you like or don't like?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
But it's art, you know, I've learned now I'm taking
an art class right now. Like it's all subjective, you know,
like somebody like she was showing us this art piece.
It was supposed to mean something. I'm like, I don't
I did not get that from that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I see a bird. I don't know what you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
You talking about like you know, but it's up for interpretation.
Those who get it get it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
You're taking an art class, Yeah, what's what's going on? Man?
Are you doing it for? Is it for your own learning?
Is it higher education? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Man?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
So my girl last year was like, uh, just take
a class, like you know, like do something new. And
I do graphic design already, you know, but I've always
like Nigga rigged it, you know what I'm saying, Like
I'll be making some shit happen and you don't even
know how to be making it happen. But I wanted
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to get the basics and actually learn how to do everything.
So I went for that one class. But the experience,
like if you listen to my story, you know, like
I wasn't the best kid in school, you know what
I'm saying, So even going to therapy about like I'm
just relearning a lot of stuff and giving shit different meanings.
You feel me like in school, I could have been
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a fucking scholar, but you know, like scared to sit
in the front, like scared to do certain things. You
feel me following the wrong people. So I'm like, man,
I'm gonna just take this one class because I wanted to,
but I also want to show myself like you can
put all of that shit that you gave as a child,
you can give that shit for meanings. So I went.
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You feel me sitting in the front. You're asking the
teacher ship, man, I don't get that. There should be
one thing I didn't do in school, not tell a teacher.
I don't get it. And I was just just just
hitting you. Feel me trying to figure it out on
my own. I don't figure it out. And I'm like,
I don't get this.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So what does that taught you? Though?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Like kind of doing the things that are uncomfortable, going
through the going through this journey again.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Like is it? How's it making you feel? Like?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
What are you?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
This whole process fulfilled to be so real like and
it's yeah, fulfilled, I would say fulfilled, like you know,
like doing certain shit, like even getting like an a
I'm like, damn, you feel me like it's it's giving
me something to celebrate. You feel me like back in
those spaces where I didn't didn't get celebrated, I'm celebrating myself.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Is that the only class you're taking?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Okay, so I took that class, right, but that shit
started something for me. I'm like talking to the councilor
he like, man, what you like? I'm like art, He like, shit,
you might as well get a degree Studio Arts. So
I'm like fuck it, you know because because the graphic
design program where I'm going, it's kind of like it
skips semesters. So I'm gonna be there anyway for these
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years to get the graphic design certificate. Yeah, I'm like,
I'm gonna pick up the degree while I'm there.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
So it's gave me a good it's given me a
good experience. O.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Man, that salute on that. That's that's actually really big, bro.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Like the fact that you were, you know, return to
school doing something that that's challenging you and then getting
something out of it and it's like fulfilling for you.
I think that's that's a testament to the type of
person that you are. But also like it's something that
people can actually look up Like damn if he can
do it, I can do it, you know what I mean?
He said something in the album and you can kind
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of like break down the full many for you you
were you were. There's a couple of lines, but this
one stood up to me. It says, but that doesn't
tell the story. Can you go before what that line
is and kind of break down like because I'll tell
you how I interpreted it. But for you, it's that
was the ending of the line. It says, but that
doesn't tell the story.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Right, So you're talking about the intro, right, So I
just took it like it's kind of like I was.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Giving you the statistics. You feel me like.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Kid left in the hospital by his moms. You feel
me like what is he going to amount to? You
know what I'm saying, But that don't even tell a story.
But then you know what I'm saying, I tell you
the trauma, but it still don't tell a story, right,
Like it gets deeper than that, So you know that
was my It was kind of like leaving the story
like on the cliffhanger, like come find out right right?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, And that's kind of like where I thought it was,
Like what you think the story is going to be,
it's not exactly you know what I mean, And it's
up to me to kind of create what the story
actually is.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
You know, you hear it also like just being like
a living testament, you know what I'm saying, Like all
those things could be a crutch, you know, but I'm
here right now. I'm not using it as a crutch.
You wouldn't know I was Foster here you wouldn't know
my mom abandoned me. You wouldn't you know unless I
tell you. Yeah, So that's what that means too.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Two of the lines that they cut through, I remember
that the one that I told you I text you
about when you mentioned, uh, this is on the Rota
east Side three. He's like basically that it was a
crack baby and whatever. Right, Yeah, that was when they
cut through. I'm like, damn, he's telling this story like that.
That's vulnerable as fuck.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
But then in SOSNG twenty three, you open up the
project talking about the firefighter shooting your mom's up with dope?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I get that right, Yeah, so exaggeration or no?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
So like my story crazy. So that happened, right, But
I didn't. I didn't meet my mom until I was
like nineteen. She ended up coming back into my life.
I had got a letter. I say that at the
end of a thicker than water like I ended up
getting a letter from the foster care agency like you know,
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we can help you. I was like at the time,
I'm like, I'm cool, you feel me. But I was like, man,
what if I got siblings, what's my real family? Like?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Those are things that I always wondered as a child,
So I went to look for it. That's a whole
story in itself, Like that shit was crazy, Like I
got the letter. All they did was giving me the
address you feel me and a number, but the number
didn't work, so I went down to the address. When
I'm going, I'm like, man, this shit near skared rough man.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Man, if you.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Still on bushit, that shit is funny toself because you imagine.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Like I don't even know if I want to know you.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
That was advars. I'm like, man, where the fuck they
got me at? So I pull up. I was straight,
I'm cool, Oh that's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
So I go there or whatever, right, nigga, this is
like some high security. I'm like, man, what the fuck
is this? So I go in there. I'm like, oh
it's what do hear?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And like who are you?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
I'm like her son, I was like, nigga, get out
of here. I'm like, man, I'm for real. He's like
he's looking at me like man, she I'm like, bro,
you feel me? So he like, man, I ain't gonna
lie to you.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
She moved six months ago. Wow, I'm like, man, just
take my number. You feel me if you see her
in the area. He was like, yeah, it's the church.
She'd be going to this church around here, So he
took my number. I ain't hear nothing until like seven
months later, I get a call like feel me this one, Dal.
I'm like, yes, it's like this your mom.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Boy. That shit.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I'm glad she can talk your fucking ear off. To
this day, I can't get a word in because I ain't.
I couldn't say nothing. You feel me like she was
just talking, talking, talking. She was like, and here's my address,
you can come see me. I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
So okay, I just got one question. I got a
couple questions, but I'm gonna just start with this one.
What was What was her mindset when she got on
the line. Was an apologetic type of situation, no man.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
And I'm glad it wasn't. You feel me like she
was real confident. You feel me like like she know
me my whole life, you know, like she was to
be honest. I don't remember the conversation. I probably was
in shocked, but I do remember going over to her
house and the only thing I really remember, because that
shit is a blur is like her showing me pictures
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of my family and shit, I'm like, damn, this shit
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
You feel me?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Like showing me my grandma, showing me my great grandma,
showing me my cousins feel me. I got a sister.
She showed me my sister, you feel me? And I
was just like, that's what I really remember from that story.
But like, as our relationship grew, I will always tell
her like, you know, I don't really want to hear
you know what I'm saying, what happened? And I don't
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know why that kind of like, you know, we struggled
with that to this day, where she like, how do
I say, Like she'd be wanting to.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Like save me.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
I'm I don't me saving you know what I'm saying.
So so it's almost like she wanted to tell me
so that she can feel better, you feel me, And
that was theology apologetic tone, you know what I'm saying.
But she ended up telling me one day the story
and I was like, damn, you know, but I always
had empathy for her, you know, as I grew older,
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Like you know, in false care, I had to take
certain classes like I never like I on thicker than water.
I said, I never did drugs. I never smoked to
this day because of that reason. So, but I still
had to take certain classes and stuff. So when you
take those classes, you realized, like, man, that's a sickness.
Then you get older, you're like, damn ninety two, what
was going on in them time?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
You feel me?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
So I've always had empathy for it. So when I
met her, I had that empathy too. God, so when
she told me it was just like this was a
party drug at the time. You feel me like, and
a nigga that's supposed to be like protecting serve gave
you some ship and you know what I'm saying, Like, bro,
and that hearing that story was like, damn, she don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
On the flip side, it makes greatful. It's a hell
of a story, you know what I mean. That shit
is gonna be somewhere. We're gonna start with the project first, right.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
No.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
But I the reason why I said that is because
you got straight to it, you know what I mean.
And I feel like from the conversation we had, that's
what I appreciated about it because instead of kind of
searching and figuring out what you know, because for the
people that don't don't know, like we would have offline conversations,
I would see you and it's like, oh you one
person in person, but on on on on camera or
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you know what I mean, I don't know if you
turn it.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
On and off. And I was like, damn, I just
wish people.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Saw that side of you. And the fact I feel
like you're you, You're getting there, You've done that these
these last two projects is a great display at at
so I commenced it. And even hearing about you taking
classes and just won to further your education in that
sense and challenging yourself. I think that's that's all a
part of the work that you're doing. And I think
that's that's just amazing. It's gonna benefiture not just for
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the music aspect, but just for life. So you know,
coulos to you on that and and I love how on.
For those that haven't heard it, you know, please go
go check out the project east Side Special three. You
start off with those stories and then you ended off
with again the Thicket and water Joint where and helped
me out with this because I felt like it was
a conversation to her and then was.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
It so the beginning. I'm talking to uh. I called
it my grandmother, the lady who raised me, took me
in from birth. And I gotta speak about that too,
because like foster kids, that's like something that they all
go through, like fear of having to restart again. You
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feel me like that's something that I never have to do,
Like you know, from day one, she vowed to never
let me have to like bounce home to home. You
feel me like that's my family. But it's like certain
things like in the household was missed. You know what
I'm saying, Like you grew up with your siblings and
stuff like that, and they're telling you like, oh you
don't got you don't got mom or whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
So that's the first part is like navigating those feelings
and you know, trying to get my grandma to tell
me the truth because I'm getting older and shit not
adding up right, You.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Like my brother don't look like my brother, or.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
You like and you know you going to school. Niggas
be like, man, nigga, how is at your mom? Nigga? Hell?
Now you feel me? You're like it is moa, you
feel me right there now.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I'm going on like.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Half me mother.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
But yeah, so the first the first part is me
giving her flowers you feel me, and then the second
part is me telling the story about how I met
my mom. You feel me, like even the process of
that getting a letter and like being like no, I'm cool,
and then to meeting her and telling her like, man,
it's cool.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Like, let's pick up where it's at now. I've been
trying to make that song since twenty nineteen. By the way,
Cheyenne was there when I laid the first verse, you
feel me, pandemic. Pandemic happened, blast you feel me. Yeah,
became the hottest nigga, she torn with him, Yeah, touring and.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
We made it happening like oh that twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's wow. So that's a five year process.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yes, So for you after making that song, did you
know like, Okay, the story is complete.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I got that off my chest, Like yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yeah. It was more so like, man, I'm able to
like say it. You know, there was a point in time,
well I couldn't say these things. You know what I'm saying,
Like say it with confidence and you know what I'm saying,
stand on it and hopefully be a beacon of light
to somebody out there that's going through.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
The same thing.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, and even from from that song, the beauty in
it if you haven't heard it, and then go back
and listen to it if you didn't catch it, it's
like the beauty of it is you making those connections
of like, well, I'm kind of glad all this shit
happened because you know, I wouldn't be the person I
am today.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I wouldn't be as strong as I am.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
You know, all the things that you have, it wouldn't
be it would it's because of this relationship or black
thereof you know what I mean exact And again, somebody
that's listening going through it, it's relatable, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, So again I applaud you for for kind of
like standing on that and really showcasing, pilling back the layers,
doing the work on yourself, and then showcasing it to
the people, because I think that that's something that's gonna,
you know, continue to take you farther and you know,
I love that, bro. Warn Gee, I want to talk
about that before we get up out of here. Man,
how did you get that connection with him to to
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do the intro to that what did you paint the
picture of how it all worked out?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
So bad Luck introduced us in like twenty twenty two
or twenty twenty one, and you know.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
He wanted to.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
He was working on an album and shit, I was
driving down there working on his Man. He's the coolest nigga.
So cool ever, man like nigga like your uncle, like
meeting him for the first time. Nigga was making his
all type of food shit like.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Biff and Griffin's on deck.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yes he did.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I'm like, man.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
So we did those records there and then we just
kept a relationship throughout the years where he'll text me
some or I'll text him, text him something. But I
think he was on the road and I just was
like the connect I was thinking about the listener, being like,
they're not gonna get this ship. Let me put somebody
(41:13):
on this ship that can like usher it in. So
I just threw the hell Mary, all of this ship
was last minute. I hit you the like, hey, man,
I need you to you know what I'm saying. I
need you to speak, you know, like, what's the connection
to the streets with the with the youth. I asked
him that, I'm like, but answer me in a voice note,
(41:35):
and that was his answer. I'm like, cool, thanks, You're
on the album, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
So but did you tell him the name of the
song or did you after you got the voice back?
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (41:47):
So all I had was his voice note. TC took
that ship did some TC shit and he put it
on the end of Handle My Scandal. At first, Billy
again was like, thinka that's war g.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
To have his own.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
I'm like.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Right, So once I put it on there, I sent
it to him here like, man, this ship hard body.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, you know, I got to ask you about fatherhood.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Man, you talked about being a father.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
You mentioned your your two daughters on the project. What
do you think they would say the type of father
that you are?
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Careful, observant, loving and a listener. I'm a great listener,
you know, like this in these times where life is
moving so fast, you know, like I make sure that
for the most part you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
We're all human.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
But for the most part, it don't matter what I'm doing.
You know, Like my youngest is at that stage where
you know they want to say the same thing you feel, mean,
like they want to ask you, but it takes them
forever to ask you.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
You've ever seen that meme where.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
She's at that She's at that phase where it's like
I was leaving the gym today, tweaking off for Selsie.
You know what I mean, I'm like, girl it out,
I'm trying to play this motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Next right now.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
She like, you know, you know, you know, you know,
I'm like, what you're trying to say? You feel mean,
But that's that's me. That's what they were saying, like
if if nothing else, he gonna listen to me, you
know what I'm saying now.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I was thinking that because and I'm trying to pull
up this other line that you had.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
On the album. Damn, I had it right here.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Where you said, uh okay, I don't have you said,
I like, basically, what's her dad? I didn't have that,
like I don't I don't know what that is. And
I was wondering how you navigate fatherhood without having that
example and not not having that resentment, because you know,
(44:04):
when life shit happens to people like you talk about
the drugs, right, you know, some people choose to say
man that like you, I'm not even touching or being
anywhere near like drugs or anything.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I'm not even touching that shit. Yeah, and there's other
people that's like, well, I'm you know, I'm gonna prove
that I'm stronger than this shit or whatever.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Right, same thing for fatherhood, Right, It's like some people
look at that as a challenging want to be a
better father than their father was. And then there's other
times where some people just mimic what their dad did. So,
you know, how do you navigate fatherhood in that sense,
not having that example, but at the same time being present,
being being the listener, being all these things that she say,
(44:43):
your daughters will explain.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
You as well.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
I mean a little bit goes based off my childhood
and what I didn't have, and I get a chance
to do it all over again. But it's something I
don't know, you know. And I have mentors. I have
other people who are fathers that I you know, that
I reach out too. But for the most part, I'm
very aware of what happened to me as a child
(45:08):
and the things that people didn't know, you know, like
not feeling heard, not you know what I'm saying. So
I make sure I do those things.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Heintce the listener.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, exactly. I love that.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Any parting party dad advice that you would give to people,
I feel like I always got to ask you an
updated version because you know, I'm learning as a dad myself.
Like you can get used to one stage, but the
moment you get used to that one stage is gonna
be a whole new stage. You know what I mean
in terms of like your kids in their age, and
it's like, oh, okay, I thought I had this in it.
I thought I had this in the bag, Like me
(45:46):
having two boys, I thought after the first one, I
was like, yeah, okay, just carbon copy the other one.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Completely different personality.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
I would say, I apologize to your kids. You're not
always right and they need to hear it often, you know,
like if you make them mistake, I apologize to him.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Bro, that hit home.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
I'm not gonna lie that hit home. I gotta apologize
about some some ship that. Yeah, that that hit home.
That hit home?
Speaker 2 (46:11):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
What can we expect from Airplane James moving forward to
It's gonna take another year for us.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
To hear from you again musically?
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Hell no, I'm working on the fucking Deluxe right now.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Just let the cat out.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Go there there go donb what's up? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Just follow me on Twitter too. I'm sawing up crazy
show this ship.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
That is wild because I really be a fan.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Man, look at this. Just follow me today. Wow, throw
me on that tour.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Niggas over man. Okay, So so you're working on the music.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Man, you're just gonna be seeing more ship man, Like
I'm out of my head, bro, Like you feel me
like I'm treating this or like really like school helping Tuto,
you know, like going to our clas and seeing it
from that perspective, like I'm not giving myself a chance
to psych myself out. Like I like this ship. I
feel it. I'm gonna put it out to the world. Yeah,
(47:09):
you feel me like you've been knowing me since I
used to have a thousand songs on the hard drive.
We're not letting it the hard drive build up this year.
I like all the freestyles like when I did them
when I really I mean when I dropped on Instagram
they was done thirty minutes before.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
You feel me like that was that?
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Is that a routine that you're you're being conscious on doing? Like, Okay,
it's over. I gotta put it out because I don't
want to hold this ship for Is that a challenge
for yourself? Is that the team that's telling you a go?
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Because I went rod the first three ones, I ain't
gonna lie. I was in the airport, I was coming
back from Vegas. I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna
throw this ship up. I'm be in the air Yeah,
I'm gonna go to sleep for thirty minutes to see
what happens.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Nobody blew my phone. It was going up.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
I'm like, I'm gonna do it again, said nigga, what
the fuck you got? It's like you got you guys,
you got some shit going. So I got my own studio.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
I record crazy like crazy, So I'm like, man, I'm
gonna just do these ships and drop them and see
you know what I'm saying. It was kind of like
a case study because then after that we dropped it
on Untitled and were able to get the data off
of that.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
The analytics, baby, yo, man, they're playing James Man, I'm
so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I love seeing the progress.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
I love hearing the life updates, man, and just seeing
you in a great space. I feel like the last conversation,
you gotta glow about you, bro, and appreciate I love
seeing it and I'm gonna continue to support and whatever
you need on my end we here.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Bro Man, I appreciate you always.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Shuck absolutely man homegrown radio, keeping it homegrown, live and
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Speaker 4 (48:52):
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