September 29, 2025 • 44 mins
Chuck Dizzle sits down Live & Direct with Python P — producer, DJ, and now artist — as he steps into the spotlight with his debut project "Born".
In this Home Grown conversation, we explore
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In this Home Grown conversation, we explore
- How his stage name started as a High School joke with fellow classmate Ab-Soul & friends
- Producing for J. Cole, Rapsody, and Mick Jenkins
- Building PAKK Music Group into a full-fledged label
- Stacking Born with features like Ab-Soul, Morray, TF, Ice Cold Bishop, SIR & more
- Balancing touring, producing, and mental health
- Why he prefers cooking beats alone and his top advice for young producers
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, we're back at it, all right, Chuck Dizzle
live in direct keeping it home grown. Salute to everybody
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(00:30):
Angeles or any iHeart stations, I appreciate you. Okay, in
the building with me right now. The biggest bucko alright,
my man producer DJ artists now this new album all
right born my man Python.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
P is here the biggest buckle here with Chuck.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's crazy to see you in artists mode. Man, talk
about this transition to finally you know, you're used to
being behind the sound of theduction and shaping the sound
for a lot of artists out here. And let you
talk your issue a minute. But how is it now
to come like step in the forefront as an artist
and drop your first project.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No, it's a it's a long time coming then you right,
Like I became a producer, yeah, because I wanted to
stay behind the scenes and not be in the forefront.
So you know, it's a lot of me being uncomfortable.
I mean even me being like a tour DJ, like
I had no idea I was going to do that.
So I mean me being in front of thousands of
people who are having to talk to people, and now
me just putting myself out there as an artist, you know,
(01:34):
coming up with an album. So let me know, this
is this is a long time coming, Like I've been
wanting to do a project for years, but you know,
everything is timing.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So so why why now? Because you've you've produced for
the likes of so many people. Man, And what made
it this year or was it something that you wanted
to do prior that you were like, Okay, I got
to actually step outside and show people and showcase my
talent and my creativity and really be step out in
the forefront.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
No, yeah, it's trust me, it's been alone time coming
doing this, But like I said, everything is timing. I
be wanting to do this maybe five six years ago,
but you know I've always kind of like put it off.
It was just never a good timing for me.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And now.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
You know, I just went all for it because like
you said, I built myself up as far as relationships
with artists, my cachet of just my brand and who
I am. So now it's the perfect time because now
I can do the songs that I want and work
with my favorite artists and people I want to work with,
and you know, I'm fans of them. And then they
also like, you know, fan, I want to say, a
(02:36):
fan of me, but you know they're familiar in their friends.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I think it's a combination of all of that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
So I mean just me being able to call on,
you know, you know, my favorite artist because now relationship
is built and they can get songs done for me,
you know what I'm saying, versus maybe five six years ago.
I'll give them a call, I let you I'll let
you know. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But so, what was the who was the last artist
that you were? Like, Damn, I'm actually linking with them
and they know who I am based off of my
resume and what I do.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Know I'd be surprised all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
But just think about the last one that that that
that comes to mind, Like, damn, because I know it's
I know it's a few, a few, but I know
it's it's multiple, you know, multiple people, but which which
one for you was the last one was the last time?
You're like, oh damn, okay, they know about me.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
No, for sure, I would say, well just recently there's
so many, but just recently now it's Jewish from from Underachievers.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Wow. Yeah, Underchievements like a legendary group.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So my my homie reached out to him, was like, yo,
you should work with Python then, and he told me so.
So then I reached out to him. I was like, bro,
you know what I'm saying. I love the work. He's like, bro,
I know who you are, like you you fire, you.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Don't have to do that.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, I know what you And I'm so used to
doing that, you know what I'm saying my whole career
of having to pitch myself. But now like I can
just like if I see someone. I remember when I
when I met Jay Cole, he was like, no, yeah, yeah,
I know who you are, bros.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And I'm sitting there like trying to, like I said,
pitch myself and He's like, nah, bro, I know you are.
You know, I know the work you know with you
and soul and this and that. So I'm like, okay,
let's get past that, then let's work. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, Like like now I can be like forceful,
Now what's up.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's get some working, you feel me. So just just.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
For for people that may be seeing you, you know,
because again you behind the scenes, so a lot of
people may not have seen you or may not see you,
or when they do see you, they're like, oh damn,
that's that's give them the roller decks. Give to give them,
you know, run off the resume of people that you've
produced for. So people got to know, you know, who
the biggest buck go with.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
No, for sure, I've worked with Rhapsody, j Cole, Bennie
the Butcher, I worked with Punch, I worked with Jay Rock,
I don't worked with I don't their commercials for Levi's who.
And I know I'm leaving so many I don't work
with bost work with Sir. Like I said, I know
(05:02):
I'm leaving saw me off the table. But that's how
that's how much like like well, I'm learning how to
be present to where like I recognize and I you know,
I appreciate the things I've done, but it's so like
fleeting to when I work with people I just keep
but it really be a lot of producers that I'll
be so like, I'll more so be appreciative, are happy
(05:23):
that I've that I work with, Like knighte Wunder, I've
been a studio. I've been a studio with him and
like I'll play something or you know, I'll be with
so he'll play so he'd be like, bro, who's this
And he's like that's probably He's like, bro.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You so hard. I'm sitting there like, hey, yo are alchemist.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Alchemists will like alchemist will text like two eleven like, bro,
that song you got here? That's my boyfriend will tell
him he cold. So when they're telling me this, I'm like, okay,
now now I'm like, you can't tell me.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That's got to be a confidence booster right now now
that you don't you know, you're not confident about your
style and what you do, but it's always reassured when
you got legends and people that you look up to
that that that are confirming, like okay, you you know
you got that. One of the ones that I saw recently, Man,
you was in a studio with David Banner bro and
it was so fun. So how was it a studio
(06:10):
with you with Mick Jenkins shout out to him, and
you had David Banner on on FaceTime and I don't
think Mick was paying attention what was going on? What's
up to?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And Mick was like, oh ship David Bantner like know
that messed him up?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That wass No, No, that's that's that's so special to
me because when we met him right before we went
on his last tour, we met him at a studio
in Pasadena and we just hit it off. But the
ladship I have with him, it's I mean, it's it's
crazy because he's like a brother to me. Now he's
like a big brother, like you know, I can call
on him and he actually, Man, it's just special to
(06:44):
me because he actually calls me just to check on
me how I'm doing. We done did like a couple
of songs now together. But now he has a special
place for my heart, like for sure, man Like like
just for him to call me all the time and
he lets me know about his day. He checks on
me and my mentor it's not just about like what
you're doing, what you got? Well you know what I'm saying,
what beat you got? No, he just wanted to call
and talk to me, so you know that. Yeah, so
(07:06):
he's he's dope as hell. Man, Let's take it back.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
To the beginning because for the folks that may not know, Man,
Python p you you I've heard you explain it before,
but just for the context of the conversation, the name
started off as an inside joke.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You know, it's it's so it's it's so many stories,
so you know, if you know, you know, but you know,
I'm from a I'm from a click that we started
and at cross a high call top notch, and so yeah,
it was like a thing we had within each other
where we was like always called each other a snake,
like we was all like it was like a thing
we had for maybe like like a like a summer.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Were just called each other that. So it for some
reason was like you a snake, you was saying, man,
matter of fact, you a python.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And then I used to have a gap. Yeah, so
it was yeah, so it was the whole thing that,
like you got the whole with the fight down.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
The slipping, it was all that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So so yeah so that so yeah, so that actually stuck.
But it was more so like the homies just kept
calling me that and then I literally just like changed
my Twitter handle from something else to that, and it
just and it just became that.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Like and this is like two thousand and six, I
would say.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That's why. So was this prior to production? So this
is just the homies. I love how names like that
just kind of stick just based off of that, like yeah, yeah,
folks shooting on each other left and right.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's not always like majestic, it's not always like it's
just it came from God.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I know. It literally was just like it was ragging on.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's it now, Now let's let's get into the you know,
you said the Carson and obviously a lot of people
link you to apps, so you being is tour DJ
and that relationship first and foremost, But talk about the
early days and production because you guys have this, uh,
this relationship you know of brotherhood, right Todd Notch like
(08:52):
from from from Jump and I think that that kind
of works into you guys' relationship as far as on
the music side as well. But when was that first
time where you're like, oh damn, okay, I got something
or how did you guys kind of form that relationship
from homies to now doing you know, collaborating music wise.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But like you said, it literally started from homies, just
like I'm known to since tenth grade, you know, from
Carson High and then even after high school, like he
got kicked out of his mom's house and he had
to come live with me, you know what I'm saying,
and this like it's a roommate. We're gonna get there,
because that's a whole nothing. But it was amount of
(09:29):
time where like my parents were moving to Nashville, and
so when they moved to Nashville, they left me the
whole house. And when I was living in Compton, they
just they say, look be selling this house, but you
can live here for a few years.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
You know, saying by yourself. I'm I'm eighteen nineteen, just
now got out.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It was crazy, yeah, yeah, And so this is the
same time, and like I said, it's almost fake because
this round the same time where Saul gets kicked out
of his house.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So he's like and so he's like Pete, like can
I come.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Stay with you? I'm like, I guess for sure. And
so when my parents left, it was literally just me
and him in the house.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
We was like, bro, we really got.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
This whole house to ourself like this is crazy, like yeah,
so we just so, yeah, we just and that's when
our bond it was like really formed, you know, just
live with each other and like for so long and
just going through so much was.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
He working on where you guys it was the music
at that point were starting to kind of get where
you started production at.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That No, no, no, And this was two thousand and seven,
so around this time he was just just starting out,
you know, you know, getting in with TDE you know
what I'm saying, and you know, going to you know,
Stevenson and recording over there. But even before then, I
was like like I was always with him going to
like studios and like before he was with TD's with
(10:42):
Street Beat, and I was going with him to interview
to record, So I was always around him when it
comes to like you know, recording and music. And the
way I got into it is I just started recording
music myself, like with the homies, like like the homie
will have a house and Carson and I'll be the
one like I'll record, y'all, I'll record it. So my
my intro and the music that started there.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So it was more or less going you know, being
being homies following around and then said, oh, you know,
I can create value and I'll do it. I don't
want to wrap, I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
All the homies wanted to rap, so I'm like, yeah,
so I'll be the one to record y'all.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
And that's just a way for me to like still
be involved, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
And how did it transform from that to Okay, I
want to start creating beats now or making music.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And I really fell into beat making just hanging out
with my big cousin north Star, north Star. To God,
I was like I was already. I would always go
to his house. When I go over there, he was
always like messing with this program, his music program, and
I'm watching him make beats and I'm like, bro, I
want to I want to try this, you know what
I'm saying. And he was like, I'll go ahead, so
(11:44):
you know, next few days, I'm I'm literally as a
computer for hours, like trying to make a beat. And
I finally made one beat, and when I did it,
like I fell in love with it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I didn't care.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Nobody thought I fell in love to beat really shit,
So but I took the beat he was living in Pasadena.
I drove back to the I drove back to Carson
with and put up on the homies. It was it
was Magic Agent, J king Rich and Soul like that
was our crew.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That was our crew. We always hung out.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And so I took it back to the block and
I put up on them. I was like, bro, I
got this beat I made. They lay laughing like what
are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But then when I put it on and played it,
as soon as it came on, they were shocked, like yo,
this hard. But what caught me was they started freestyl
into it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So now so now I'm having experience of like I'm
at a beat and now they're actually rapping to something
I made, and I caught the bug just like that.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Their reaction to it was like, Okay, this is it.
This is so Prior to that, did you have any
like love or notice for music?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Because no, thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I always knew I wanted to be involved in music
some way like I would. I mean yeah, I was
always just like confidence, like man, I can I mean
like I can I can put my input on music
in some way?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Like I knew I wanted to do that for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
No, that's that's fine. And then see, I thought the
story was gonna go a whole completely different way. I
thought you was gonna say, you you made this beat,
you drove all the way from passing and ship and
then when you just presented to the homies, they gonna
sho on your music.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Liked it, actually actually liked in that. Yeah, and again
and they and they bigged me up. And when I
caught that bug like, it was like, yeah, that that
was that was the most fire I ever had in
me for anything I ever did you know what I'm saying, Like,
at that age, so what.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Were you working on? You said it was a program.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It is a program called Reason Reason, Yeah, the Reason
And at that time, you can buy like a crack
not buy, but you can get a crack version of it.
You know what I'm saying, Like, you know it's it's
you know, we passed a you know what's it.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Called sexual limertation.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
We pasted that, you know what I'm saying, So you don't.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Figure got money now, no more cracking And that's funny.
That was reason for I'm on Reason thirteen. Though I
literally stayed with that program for yeah, for almost for
over fifteen years, have you.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So, have you tried different forms, like have you tried
different programs? Yeah, programs or or like from analog to
to hardware or have you tried like different styles and
you know, like.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
No, yeah for sure, I mean no, yeah, well as
far as like hardware, you know, I definitely like you know,
did like different keyboards, paths and things like that. But
what's most important is is you sticking with one program?
Because when you do that, like, it's so much to
learn when you mess with a program. So now I've
(14:14):
stayed with my same program so much. I know how
to like manipulate sounds. I know exactly what I need
to do for the sound I want to make.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I guess I was asking if you have you tried,
like you know, because a lot of people use fruity
loose yeah, like if you try to use like oh no,
that's just not no.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I tried it, but I mean it was it's damn
there like morse code to me, you know. Yeah, So
so let me do the read the boom. So I
was like, let me just yeah, let me not switch
so fast because I still have like work to do
and like shopping on my skills in this program.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's just me. I like to focus on one thing,
and you know what I'm saying, So.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
One thing that I didn't include when I'm talking about
you man, it's you know, the biggest bucko with Pack Music. Man,
talk about Pack Music group and you being the head
show of the label, and talk about what Packed Music is,
the how you running that and how you can kind
of wear so many hats as producer, DJ, you know, label,
(15:06):
label owner and you know now artists you know.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, definitely, Well, Pack Music like started just as a
concept just with the homies. Then it turned into like
a production just group, and then I turned it into
a full like a full blown label like it was.
It was literally like those three steps, like and these
are the steps of me just taking my career and
taking everything I'm doing and it's turning it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Into like a professionalism.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Like I said, it's the concept, so you know, it's
you know, it's you know, it's just we're just having
fun with it, almost like a hobby.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Then it turned into a group. It's just like hanging
out and doing this because we love it.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
But I was like, no, I'm I'm I'm trying to
go to the next level with this, Okay, So I
need to ll see this Okay, So I need to
you know what I'm saying, like turn this into a
company and and see what.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I can do with it.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
But I already had in my in my in my
head like what I wanted to do. Yeah, yeah, I
was like, as a producer, I want to be able
to like have my own you know, label, so you know,
things I want to do, I can always like like
just filter it through my label. Even to this day,
like I'm dropping my album through my own company.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You know what I'm saying, is it is it tough
to kind of like transition from wearing one hat to
the next. Like, you know, you're gonna be going on tour, right,
please talk about the tour too. You're gonna be going
on tour as well. He's jumping on tour with what's
going on? Let let them know the situation.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh yeah, for sure. Sure.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I mean I'm on my third tour this year, going
on the Joy Badass Toward the Dark Ora tour. We
started October fifteen until the end of November, so we're
about to be on a road for a long time.
It's about to be a gruelly one, but I love it.
I enjoy it. These are my These of my favorite people,
like you know Rahapsy.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I love her.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
She's like one of my favorite like rappers. You know,
we don't make songs together already, we already have a report.
This is my first time, you know, I'm getting to
know Joey like that. Even though you know we did
the freestyle of the we did the red Bull freestyle
that was my intro to him, you know what I'm saying,
But now going on tour with him, So I'm I'm
(17:04):
excited about this because this is right up my alley.
I'm a lyric driven just like music lovers, so me
going on with three is three like three of the
best like lyricist. This is It's funny this this tour
about to be head popped. It's about to be it's
about to be all hoodies, backpacks, you know, it's about
(17:25):
to be here.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
What's dope about this? I like the way you lined
out your album, lined up your album to kind of
have out there as well. Is that something that you
learned from the previous experiences, Like Okay, I got to
kind of have some type of product because now I
got all eyes on me when they when they come
to my page or when they you know, find out
who I am. You know, all they see are production
for other people, which is cool, but it's no standalone
(17:46):
thing for podon P. So did that plan to you
want to kind of get this project aligned with the
tour as well?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And this is all trial and error. I I regret it,
like this is me not being prepared. But like I said,
everything in line double timing. So no, I mean, of course,
in my perfect world, I know, I mean it works
out because I'm able to drop the album and go
on the road and end a promoter on the road,
you know, while I'm DJing, I'm able to you know,
play some of the songs I can. I can have
(18:13):
my merch y, I can do all that. But but
in my perfect world, no I would. I mean I
tried to, like line so much, so much up and
dropping in July or August something like that. But when
you work with so many different artists, you know what
I'm saying, like, it's hard to get versus back and
get time and get artists in the student at the
same time. So with this being my first project, it
(18:34):
is like a lot of trial and era. How to
go through so to a point where it got me
all the way into the deadline, like on my tour.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
So I was gonna say, how how is that for you?
Like managing so many personalities and different artists that you
deal with, relationships that you stacked up over the years.
I'm sure maybe calling in some favors or tapping in
with some folks, Like what was one of the biggest
lessons that you learned putting this project together? Is finally
getting it out there?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Well, first, I'll first, I love it because like I'm
a I'm a people person, Like so I get the
most joy out of like getting so many people together,
and like you make you you form the best relationships
in the studio, you know what I'm saying. And that's
and that's how some of the best music music is made,
because you know, the chemistry is there. I'll I'll get
arts in the studio and we'll just chop it up
(19:23):
for an hour or two before me to make music.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Because now that are we familiar with each other, you know,
and we're like we're very fond of each other. So
now we're making the best music because the chemistry is there. Ever,
get bounce off ideas things like that everyone's comfortable. What
I did learn though, is and I and I never
take any of it personal. Like if I reach out
to certain artists that I've done music with, are that
(19:46):
you know who will say that, you know, the fans
of me are like I love your work. I'll reach
out for a verse and I don't want to say
no names, but I'll reach out for a verse and like,
you know, I get it done and then drag their feet,
you know what I'm saying things like that, Like, are
some artists that like I that I'm like, I'm taking
a shot. I'm gonna just take a shot, see if
we're gonna do something, And they'll be like, no, sidle
what you got? But then you know, they'll kind of
(20:06):
leave me on stuck. But like I said, I don't
take it personal because I just always look within. So
I'm just okay, Like I'm just not at that point
yet to where I don't have a relationship with this
artist to where like, you know, I can get something
done with them, because everybody on my project that I have,
I have a I have a good report.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Well yeah, you have. I have a genuine relationship with them.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So that's why I was able to get versus back
so fast and like, bro, I got you of course,
you know what I'm saying, I'll get it back in
two days, versus some artists they'll take so long.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I'll just be like, man, I'm not gonna ask some
more what I mean, I guess it.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Like you said, it's a learning curve. But at the
same time, it's like your life be life with everybody,
and it's it's it's something that man, it's it's kind
of tough because it's one of those humbling experiences. But
the same time, it's like this is a business man.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
No no, and you and I tell people like because
you know, we all go through this, and as far
as like trying to reach out to people, are feeling
like you're getting shun like you just can't take a
person because you gotta admit, like there's people who reach
out to you and you kind of like brush off
only because you feel like, what's the benefit that I
have into working with y aall doing this with you.
So that's why I'm like, even if the person I'm
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reaching out is like, it's not benefiting me right now. No,
I understand you know what I'm saying. No, like you know,
we can circle back around at that time. It you know,
it works out better for both of us. I'm all
for it, but I don't like the well fuck, you
know what I'm saying, Well we you know, forget you
then you know I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But let me let me. Let me bring off some
names that are on the project man of course A
Sol Moray shouts at the Homy dre Bow, Tris Shamton, sixteen,
tf Ice, Cold Bishop, Daylight, Itchy Bond shouts out to
Willie B Mick Jenkins, A d Airplane, James Epic must die,
grab Bart Oatmeal, bas Coyotes loops to them two elevens.
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Yet they and also the Army Sir stacked the lineup.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Relationship like curated over the years.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Everybody who is on there's someone and it's and it's
also it's also new relationships too, like Moray, like I
just I I became friends with him this year just
through through music. I did a song with him through
my manager Dough Wow. He set me up with him
and then from then we did a double song from then,
you know, I started chopping up with him.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I brought him over to the.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Studio with me, and so we did more music with him,
and once again in the studio we just with the
bond was created.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You know, I'm so I think I just said a
second a good said recipes. I thought you're talking about
berg're talking about dot network.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but but of course long live a
little bit Burger sure, but but yeah, so like Murray,
he's my guy. Yeah, you know, we formed a bond
like ourselves. We chopped up all the time. That's why
it's like everybody in that project, I have a genuine,
like you know, respecting relationship with for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And you said so for you when when you're creating,
I know you said you'd like to be in the
studio and kind of like had that bond with people
and chop it up and create that production wise, do
you rather be alone and kind of cook that, like
get a foundation up for yourself or do you like
them to be in the studio why you're doing.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
No, I like, I like cooking a loan only Yeah,
I'm like that only because like not not not that
I'm paranoid, but like I don't know. I have this
thing like when I'm by myself, I can just be
just max creative and I'm such oh I can't say
people please it, but I'm such aware of like energy
and other people around me.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So if I shrugging your shoulder when you're doing something like.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
No, no, it's not even that I could be. I
could be at the table like making the beat and everything.
They could be sitting behind me on the couch. But
like you know, producers, we can like we can work
on the same loop for an hour and so like,
but I'm conscious, I'm like, man, they probably like annoyed
or something like that, so which throws off my my
concentration and that's just me and it's not their fault.
It's just me feeling like you know what I'm saying,
like okay, let me switch it up or now I'm
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on sure myself. But I'm by myself, I can literally
just like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's good to know what works for you though, man,
because if you can set that back, not even a
set of at the boundary, but just allow people to
know that that's your process, they in turn won't take
it a certain way. Even it's like, look, if you
want the best for me, just letting me cook, you know,
presenting with ideas of what you already know for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
And I've and I've been in both works both ways
work because I've been in sessional artists and I'll make
the beat on the spot. But but what I'm learning
is just and me making beasts for myself. It's just
that's my comfort level. So I'm kind of learning to
kind of step out of that, yeah, and be uncomfortable
and being you know, students of other producers or things
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like that, and just kind of cook with them, like
I rarely collaborate with other producers, like and we've cooked
up at the same time.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Like and so I'm I need I'm learning how to.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Step out of that space and like I said, just
being uncomfortable and just vibing with like other producers and
collabing like Fancis, I'm I want to get one in
with day one.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
He just hit me up, like, bro, come on, let's work.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I just seen that you posted something. You posted something
that jumped in the commons styles work, bro.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
He been trying to work with me, saying with Maar,
saying with all that it's I'm saying, it's really me
always like like I'm just not me, not being sure.
It's like I don't because I don't know how it's
going to go because it's it's unfamiliar territory for me. So,
like I said, I got to just put myself out there.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
But you're the.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Biggest buckle man, the biggest buckle talk about that moniker,
talk about that name. Where did that stem from? And
I like it because it's it's kind of similar to
when t I called himself the King of the South.
What I'm saying, themselves the greatest. You pick up this,
you pick up this, this, this, this alter ego, the
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Black Mamba, Kobe Bryant, like all these people like that.
I like, I'm just telling you this is what, this
is what I see. I feel like that ever since
you kind of took on that persona things have changed
in a in a in a maximum level. You know
what I'm saying. But but where did that stem from?
And how did you hold on to that? And where
do you see yourself?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
It's funny, it's stem from COVID, from COVID like just
clubhouse and so around then, like and I and I
met bro Too shout out Davis. I met bro Too
and everything at a at a comedy club. But it
was around that time. It was like twenty nineteen, like
he was like he had these skits where he was
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like come on buck oh, like he was always doing
that and everything, and so it was just me playing around,
like I just started. I loved it so much. I
just started doing it and just picking up on it.
But I remember on clubhouse E remember the club I
was day. That's when it when COVID shut down. Everybody
their mama, every a R was on there, you know, yeah,
so we yeah, it was pretty much a party line.
But from then that's where I like just like brought
(26:37):
like brought the buco to Club Bolls. And I was
always just saying it, just saying it is making jokes
and to a point where it just stuck with people.
Next you know, they referred to me as like come on, buck,
let me guess what what what's up?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
What's up? Bukoh.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, and it was it really just became just something
I just like couldn't like stop, and to a point
where like from twenty twenty twenty twenty five, like it's
still going but it did take on a life of
his own to where I'm on tour and people like, what's.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Up Buco, hey big Buck. I'm like, I'm I'm amazed.
I'm like, hey, no, this is crazy. You know it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I could be on stage and people are screaming at
I'm like, okay, so this is different, but it is.
I remember me, and you don't have conversations where you
like trademarket and this and that, and I'm like, I
wouldn't even I'm still trying to figure out how you
even do, like to do merch with that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Bro I saw when I saw Lebron posted, I.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Said that was different. When Lebron was like, what are
we doing?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I'm like, oh, but even even with that, like like
I said, even when it comes to merch, because like
for instance, with keem Are, or even with you, when
it comes to like you know, the dad things you
get that that you guys got going like like see,
like so yours can be a stand alone. So I'm
trying to figure out even how to like merch like
(27:49):
Bucco and I come on a Bucko shirt, but like
I still want something that like stands on his own,
that means something you know what I'm saying, Yeah, but
but no, but it has, but it has taken on
it like a life it is on as far as
like that, that's really my alter ego.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I'm telling you, man, Simplicity is the best that the
best thing, bro. Just man, just just do it. And
like just like everything else in your career, it's like
you find your way to it and and things just
kind of like.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Just fall into it, fall into it, and things that
will work will work its way out.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But nah, I love the fact that that has taken
on a life of its own. It's something that's probably
you didn't even see it was gonna go.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
To to a point where there's a there's a Buckle
Junior song. You know what I'm saying, Like no, yeah, no,
and so like even my yeah no, it's no, It's
it's crazy to me, man, And I'm just like I'm
never gonna start like this is here to stay.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So so on on a personal tip, bro, like how
do you deal with like cause, I mean you you've
seen a lot of things happen throughout the course of years,
you know, losing folks, you know, being being down with
day ones and and and situations happen. How do you
balance mentality wise when things are going on with with
with with homies and personal ship, Like how do you
(29:05):
how do you manage being there for them, but at
the same time keeping your middle you know, your sanity
there as well. No, you got wife as well, you
got things that's happening in your life that you've got
to attend to. How do you balance both of those
life of the entertainment business, personal ship and your own
mental sanity.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I mean, as you know, it's it's a you know,
it's an every day It's it's an every day like
fight that you have. Are Like, how I do it
is like I like just to simplify my life. So
I've always been like that, So you know, even with
you know, me and my wife and is that is
music and it is my you know, my circle of friends.
But I mean, how I do it every day is
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like I just focus on just stamp, just being present.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
It's really just about that.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Like the minute i'm you know, I'm I'm I'm fixated
or I'm caught up in other people's like you know,
woes or problems are life. That's how I lose track
of what I got going on so every day I'm
always focusing on just being present and and just and
just focusing on what I have to do. You know
what I'm saying, Like this in my life, being president
is so important. Like I'm learning that even you know,
(30:09):
at this age right now could be for It's a
lot of times where I wasn't like that, but now
I'm I'm really honing in on that, like so much
of just being present, even with social media and things
like that, Like I still struggle with it, but even
waking up in the morning, like I'm trying not to
like be on my phone because you can. You can
wake up and go on social media. You can scroll
on social media. You go through five different emotions before
(30:31):
you get out the bed. You know what I'm saying.
You're scrolling, so you're seeing some more missing out on
this all. I'm jealous of this. I'm sad at this.
You haven't got the bed yet, so your morning's already.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You know how I know you you kind of like
really tapped into zen and inner peace. And I've seen
you with the cat. Bro I seen you with the cat.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I said, no, no, no, no, this didn't look this
is all this, This is all my wife doing. Man,
So yeah, no, this is it's not my cats.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Cat was petting the cat.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I got two cats.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I got two cats.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, no, no, And it's funny. I've never been a
cat person ever in my life. I never had cat.
I never had cats growing upthing like that. But it's
so much easier, han't cast They're like roommates, bro, Look
at Yeah, I ain't gotta tell you. I ain't got
to know because I did. I did the dog the
salesman for the cat. Look, I'm telling y'all, like, but
you know, it's funny. Cats have a black Cats have
(31:22):
a bad rap among black in the black community.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
For real. My mama hate, mama hate cats.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Somebody, I got my son on the now, if we
see a cat in the back, get.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Out of why is that that?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Man?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Like, no, what what happened?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Man?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Look what happened with black people and cats? Cats just
be there for me personally and this this war. Maybe
you can help me out because that's where I know
you got that inner piece of that zen. When I
see cats, I'm just annoyed. They were always in my backyard,
always just doing But I mean, but but they wasn't
First of all, they weren't doing crazy. They was doing
crazy stuff. There was there was screaming, There was crazy
(31:56):
screaming and hit in the back exactly. Nah. But the
fact that you've got to that point, and my point
in that is that you've learned how to kind of
compromise with your situation and with your wife and I
and I think that's dope, right. I'm sure you have
your ways and things that you want to do, but
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you learned how to how to compromise in oh, and
I think it's it's applied in life as well. You
know what I'm saying. When you learn to master stuff
like that, it shows up in different areas of your life.
So the fact that you're able to do that, things
that you weren't comfortable with years ago, whatever the case
may be, you've learned to now do it the same thing.
I think that that always. That also applies with the music,
things that you may not have been comfortable with years
(32:38):
ago sound wise sonically. Now you can kind of take
it to the next level and explore different things.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
And you know what, and that and that gives me
like wisdom and strength for any other things in the
future that I made another obstacle, I may come across
because now I come across a new obstacle, and so
I'm like, man, I'm gonna get through this.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Let me just like I said once again, you you
look within and e be present and you just really Okay,
you've been to this before, like you know what I'm saying,
Like you overcame this, You ever came that?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So okay, how did you do that? Okay? You locked
in do this?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
So no, you know, everybody comes from experience, just like
overcoming certain things that I never think I'll do.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Now it's another obstacle. Okay, I can get do this.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So let me talk about one obstacle that you may
or may not have had to deal with it and
without there's no names anything like that, but when it
comes to you know, people on your production, it's a
sacred thing. I'm assuming, right. Has there ever been a
moment where you give somebody a beatpack or somebody's on
a song and they just don't deliver the way you
(33:35):
want them to do? What is that conversation to let
them know like oh you yeah, you can't, We're gonna
take You're gon We're gonna take you.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Okay. Are you saying like you can't have to beat
are we taking you off the song? Which one?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Listen, let's do take him off the song? But then yeah,
let's do that one because the beat that that can
be subjective because for a range of reagions, it might
go to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, I mean a lot of that one beat. It's
just business.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Like you know, if somebody's on on on a song
with yours, right and they just not delivered, Like, what's
that conversation you have with them?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Hey, don't networks that that's really that's really happened. Like
I can't say that, but no, that really happened on
the song that that that recorded a bunch of people
on it, but it was one person that was kind
of like that was that was kind of like the
Weekly It was slacking it. And first of all, it
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was too many people on the song, and so I
was like, somebody got to come off.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
And I was like, I know exactly when you come off.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Like man, I'm like, no, man, you gotta let them know, man,
because you know what I'm saying, don't know him to
you know, y'all break it to him. Because and this
is why having management is so important, because my job
is to keep the relationships. I always tell people that, like, bro,
like get you a manager, are an assistant.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
So if so, you don't have to be the bad guy.
Let them be the bad guy.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
But you've had to deal with that and be in
that role as well as you know.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Oh yeah, for sure. It's the thing.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I didn't mind being a bad guy for the artist
that I always representing. Yeah, yeah, if they don't want
to do it, Look, they don't want to do it, this, this,
how much is going to be? You know, I didn't
I didn't mind stepping into that role of like, yeah,
of having to be the bad guy because, like I said,
because I'm all about holding integrity, you know what I'm saying,
So like you know this, this is what this person wants,
Like we're not going to be in the break or anything.
(35:21):
And if you don't want to do it, then you
know that's fine, you know what I'm saying. But yeah,
because I'm all about holding integrity, I'm really about that.
I'm not I'm not gonna like like I said, the
PE's or anything like that. So it was it was
easy for me to do that, but I understand when
it comes to me now and having to do it. Yeah,
I don't want to tell people no if I if
it's something that me and you have to deal with,
I'd rather like how my manager do and then y'all
(35:43):
can figure it out.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
It's smart, I mean, that's the business side of it.
So of course, moving forward, all right, the project born
is going to be dropping, all right. I want to
kind of leave this as if the projects out I
know is going to be coming out at the end
of August.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I meanry audience, otok, But there.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I like putting dates on things at the same time,
you know, whenever you see this, you know, at some
point down the line after October thirteenth, going to support
it or whatever the case may be. But before we
get out of here, I want to talk about how
would you describe Python p's sound style? And the second
portion to that is how do you expand on that
(36:22):
and maybe pivot or how do you how do you
shape your sound for for future for the future down
the line as well?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
For sure, how I explain my sound is how I
how I would explain who I am as a person.
You know me, I'm I'm heavy into zodiacs. I know
a lot of people not I'm heavy the zodiac. I mean,
I'm a Gemini. You know our you know our our
trades and characterations. You know, one of them is worth chameleons.
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So we can kind of absorb and kind of fit
a lot of people's mode. So and music it translates
to that. So I can make so many different sounds.
And I do that because once again, like I like to,
I like to morph into like you know, and it's
a challenge for me, and I take on the challenge.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It excites me.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
If if Sarah wants the type of beat, okay, I
can make that. If if if so need the type
of bead or you know, if cold one stance our daylight.
Once that, Like I pride myself and having just an
arrange of sounds because you know it'll be to me,
I'll be bored if I'm just making one type of.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So, but me, just.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
The evolution of my sound will always me, will always
be me, just always like taking risks and just me
trusting myself.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
So what does that look like when you say take
risks and challenging yourself as a producer. What are some
of the and the reason why I asked this is
because I noticed somebody that's watching you, listening to you
as a fan of you. You know, it looks up
to you that may not have access to you. So
if you can give that producer, that that creative that
a certain I.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Got the perfect And I tell people, I tell my
homies this. I tell people who you know who ask
me for the if I tell them the same thing.
Stop stop asking people what they think about your art,
because when you do that, like when even Mahomie teld
me asks me, like what you about this be or
this song?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I'm like, bro, what do you think about it? Like
that's what matter? Do you think it's dope?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Okay, that's all that matters because you like you asking
so many people, hey, which talk about this? Which think
about this beat? Now there aret there are like may
not be your art, so are they may not even
be in the mood to hear what you want to hear.
So now you're getting feedback that that's not even warranted,
and now it's discouraging you. And I've been through that,
you know what I'm saying. Like and so me, I
never ask people like what they think about my music.
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My job is to make sure the quality of my
music is there, So I don't take anything personal. If
I send beats out to certain artists and they're not
feeling it, Okay, you're not feeling it for sure, it's
just not for you. But I'm a damn sure make
sure the quality of it is a one to where
you can't even like you can you can't judge art,
but you can judge quality.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
You can let them know, ah, that's the terrible art.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
This beat sounds like you know what I'm saying, like
and you know, and you you know you do it
all the time, even with your you know what what
you used to do when you see like you know here,
I don't know why it's fleeting with direct yourself. So
you know as far as like you know, some song
may not be for you, but you know quality, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I can judge you on that. I can help you
on that.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
But would always tell people like, just trust your sound,
trust your vision, likes, don't ask people what they think
about your art, Like just what if you think it's dope,
go with it, man.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And that's all I do.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Like when I make music, if I think it's dope,
I'm going with it, even if it's something that's like
that's that hasn't like came out, it's a different sound.
If I think it's dope, I'm going with it. I'm
pushing it to people. Yeah, and if you trust me,
just just doing goddamn verse on this.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Now what I didn't ask you? Uh, and we'll close
out with this. Why the name born?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Okay, so buco it's actually an acronym B dot U
dot C dot K.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
There you go, okay, and that's what I can't do.
So and so why would you even do?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
But but but but I'm but I'm gonna tell you though.
So the first the first letter is born and born born,
I got the take one second, and you're never gonna
get the c K Carson, I'm definitely comping. I'm definitely
not born under said the content, you know, outside.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Born under comp kicking it outside that's hey, that's some ghetto.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Come on, man, I'm I'm I'm way more layered than that.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I'm just saying I wouldn't know. So look so now, look, so,
so the first one is born. That's why you know,
you see my cover art is going to match that
the whole thing. But So that's why this whole buckle
all my albums, it's going to be a series that's
gonna spell out.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Born and then you know born. I'll give you that
one born under I'll give you that one. The second
was born down there, and then the born whom they're
born all the way into the He's not going to
can I can I I guess this this well, this
is not well unfortunate. Let me just guess it just
is to see a place or a city. It's not
(41:16):
a location. It is a okay, state is a state
of mind? Is definitely okay, I'll take that. Now, give
you some central central centered. No it's not center, it's
something like that's that's relative to that.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
No, No, it is, it's the opposite the center.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, confused, confusion, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
But it's not it. Okay, that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
We are going under chaotic ohip almost almost chaos, almost
almost confusion. Look, I'm getting there about to confuse you,
I said, confused learning Damn, everybody's everybody.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna talk.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Okay, I don't talk afterwards, but but for the people
at the five at bath though and look and and
by the time I get to the old you might
you might get a sixteen from I might might, I
might guess something. But but but but but I'm dropping
my first single next Tuesday and on the thirtieth. It's
it's called that. That's what the song is called, my
first single, especially to me. That's why I did it
(42:18):
with my brothers. Uh, you know, so tf ice cool Bishop,
these are like these are these are my guys? So
Christ boom Christ Christ. I am Catholic, but you know
well baptized Cathy. I don't know if I'm not anymore?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Wow, are you denouncing not playing stop man the biggest
bucko pe man? It's an honor, end of course, y'all
could Uh? I do want to give the folks the
heads up that check the record with me and Christians
don't remember us, right, I'm saying, he said, we we
we co working.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Well, this is why we can kick the shape.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
But this is it's a it's a full circle moment, man,
And I'm proud of what you've been able to do.
And I'm glad you you're stepping outside and showing people
more of yourself. And you know, can't wait to actually
see the full series kind of play out and see what.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Folks can be you man, Yeah, no, I know, and
I appreciate you because you've seen you was You've been
there from the beginning like seeing my you know, trajectory
and just you know, seeing me figure it out and
going through different like phases to hear so like once again,
that's special to me to sit in front of you
and be able to you know, be able to talk
about it, man, like, Yeah, just have my peoples.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Like you here, Man, that that that means a lot
to me.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Man. It just shows like where I've come to, where
I could be in a room and it just feels
like I'm kicking it, you know what I'm saying. That's
what it's about, man, Python The Biggest Buckle born the
album in October thirteen.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Have my release party on the twelve, and make sure you're.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
There, please, I'm there, Brokay might bring the kids. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It is a family fair. It is a family affair.
It's a family affair. Come on, I'll be the cats.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
That's what it is. Cats going under cats. That's a
good wrap up. Keeping it all wrong. People catch you
out next time o
All right, we're back at it, all right, Chuck Dizzle
live in direct keeping it home grown. Salute to everybody
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(00:30):
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the building with me right now. The biggest bucko alright,
my man producer DJ artists now this new album all
right born my man Python.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
P is here the biggest buckle here with Chuck.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's crazy to see you in artists mode. Man, talk
about this transition to finally you know, you're used to
being behind the sound of theduction and shaping the sound
for a lot of artists out here. And let you
talk your issue a minute. But how is it now
to come like step in the forefront as an artist
and drop your first project.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No, it's a it's a long time coming then you right,
Like I became a producer, yeah, because I wanted to
stay behind the scenes and not be in the forefront.
So you know, it's a lot of me being uncomfortable.
I mean even me being like a tour DJ, like
I had no idea I was going to do that.
So I mean me being in front of thousands of
people who are having to talk to people, and now
me just putting myself out there as an artist, you know,
(01:34):
coming up with an album. So let me know, this
is this is a long time coming, Like I've been
wanting to do a project for years, but you know,
everything is timing.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So so why why now? Because you've you've produced for
the likes of so many people. Man, And what made
it this year or was it something that you wanted
to do prior that you were like, Okay, I got
to actually step outside and show people and showcase my
talent and my creativity and really be step out in
the forefront.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
No, yeah, it's trust me, it's been alone time coming
doing this, But like I said, everything is timing. I
be wanting to do this maybe five six years ago,
but you know I've always kind of like put it off.
It was just never a good timing for me.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And now.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
You know, I just went all for it because like
you said, I built myself up as far as relationships
with artists, my cachet of just my brand and who
I am. So now it's the perfect time because now
I can do the songs that I want and work
with my favorite artists and people I want to work with,
and you know, I'm fans of them. And then they
also like, you know, fan, I want to say, a
(02:36):
fan of me, but you know they're familiar in their friends.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I think it's a combination of all of that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
So I mean just me being able to call on,
you know, you know, my favorite artist because now relationship
is built and they can get songs done for me,
you know what I'm saying, versus maybe five six years ago.
I'll give them a call, I let you I'll let
you know. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But so, what was the who was the last artist
that you were? Like, Damn, I'm actually linking with them
and they know who I am based off of my
resume and what I do.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Know I'd be surprised all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
But just think about the last one that that that
that comes to mind, Like, damn, because I know it's
I know it's a few, a few, but I know
it's it's multiple, you know, multiple people, but which which
one for you was the last one was the last time?
You're like, oh damn, okay, they know about me.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
No, for sure, I would say, well just recently there's
so many, but just recently now it's Jewish from from Underachievers.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Wow. Yeah, Underchievements like a legendary group.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So my my homie reached out to him, was like, yo,
you should work with Python then, and he told me so.
So then I reached out to him. I was like, bro,
you know what I'm saying. I love the work. He's like, bro,
I know who you are, like you you fire, you.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Don't have to do that.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, I know what you And I'm so used to
doing that, you know what I'm saying my whole career
of having to pitch myself. But now like I can
just like if I see someone. I remember when I
when I met Jay Cole, he was like, no, yeah, yeah,
I know who you are, bros.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And I'm sitting there like trying to, like I said,
pitch myself and He's like, nah, bro, I know you are.
You know, I know the work you know with you
and soul and this and that. So I'm like, okay,
let's get past that, then let's work. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, Like like now I can be like forceful,
Now what's up.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's get some working, you feel me. So just just.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
For for people that may be seeing you, you know,
because again you behind the scenes, so a lot of
people may not have seen you or may not see you,
or when they do see you, they're like, oh damn,
that's that's give them the roller decks. Give to give them,
you know, run off the resume of people that you've
produced for. So people got to know, you know, who
the biggest buck go with.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
No, for sure, I've worked with Rhapsody, j Cole, Bennie
the Butcher, I worked with Punch, I worked with Jay Rock,
I don't worked with I don't their commercials for Levi's who.
And I know I'm leaving so many I don't work
with bost work with Sir. Like I said, I know
(05:02):
I'm leaving saw me off the table. But that's how
that's how much like like well, I'm learning how to
be present to where like I recognize and I you know,
I appreciate the things I've done, but it's so like
fleeting to when I work with people I just keep
but it really be a lot of producers that I'll
be so like, I'll more so be appreciative, are happy
(05:23):
that I've that I work with, Like knighte Wunder, I've
been a studio. I've been a studio with him and
like I'll play something or you know, I'll be with
so he'll play so he'd be like, bro, who's this
And he's like that's probably He's like, bro.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You so hard. I'm sitting there like, hey, yo are alchemist.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Alchemists will like alchemist will text like two eleven like, bro,
that song you got here? That's my boyfriend will tell
him he cold. So when they're telling me this, I'm like, okay,
now now I'm like, you can't tell me.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That's got to be a confidence booster right now now
that you don't you know, you're not confident about your
style and what you do, but it's always reassured when
you got legends and people that you look up to
that that that are confirming, like okay, you you know
you got that. One of the ones that I saw recently, Man,
you was in a studio with David Banner bro and
it was so fun. So how was it a studio
(06:10):
with you with Mick Jenkins shout out to him, and
you had David Banner on on FaceTime and I don't
think Mick was paying attention what was going on? What's
up to?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And Mick was like, oh ship David Bantner like know
that messed him up?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That wass No, No, that's that's that's so special to
me because when we met him right before we went
on his last tour, we met him at a studio
in Pasadena and we just hit it off. But the
ladship I have with him, it's I mean, it's it's
crazy because he's like a brother to me. Now he's
like a big brother, like you know, I can call
on him and he actually, Man, it's just special to
(06:44):
me because he actually calls me just to check on
me how I'm doing. We done did like a couple
of songs now together. But now he has a special
place for my heart, like for sure, man Like like
just for him to call me all the time and
he lets me know about his day. He checks on
me and my mentor it's not just about like what
you're doing, what you got? Well you know what I'm saying,
what beat you got? No, he just wanted to call
and talk to me, so you know that. Yeah, so
(07:06):
he's he's dope as hell. Man, Let's take it back.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
To the beginning because for the folks that may not know, Man,
Python p you you I've heard you explain it before,
but just for the context of the conversation, the name
started off as an inside joke.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You know, it's it's so it's it's so many stories,
so you know, if you know, you know, but you know,
I'm from a I'm from a click that we started
and at cross a high call top notch, and so yeah,
it was like a thing we had within each other
where we was like always called each other a snake,
like we was all like it was like a thing
we had for maybe like like a like a summer.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Were just called each other that. So it for some
reason was like you a snake, you was saying, man,
matter of fact, you a python.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And then I used to have a gap. Yeah, so
it was yeah, so it was the whole thing that,
like you got the whole with the fight down.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
The slipping, it was all that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So so yeah so that so yeah, so that actually stuck.
But it was more so like the homies just kept
calling me that and then I literally just like changed
my Twitter handle from something else to that, and it
just and it just became that.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Like and this is like two thousand and six, I
would say.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That's why. So was this prior to production? So this
is just the homies. I love how names like that
just kind of stick just based off of that, like yeah, yeah,
folks shooting on each other left and right.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's not always like majestic, it's not always like it's
just it came from God.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I know. It literally was just like it was ragging on.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's it now, Now let's let's get into the you know,
you said the Carson and obviously a lot of people
link you to apps, so you being is tour DJ
and that relationship first and foremost, But talk about the
early days and production because you guys have this, uh,
this relationship you know of brotherhood, right Todd Notch like
(08:52):
from from from Jump and I think that that kind
of works into you guys' relationship as far as on
the music side as well. But when was that first
time where you're like, oh damn, okay, I got something
or how did you guys kind of form that relationship
from homies to now doing you know, collaborating music wise.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But like you said, it literally started from homies, just
like I'm known to since tenth grade, you know, from
Carson High and then even after high school, like he
got kicked out of his mom's house and he had
to come live with me, you know what I'm saying,
and this like it's a roommate. We're gonna get there,
because that's a whole nothing. But it was amount of
(09:29):
time where like my parents were moving to Nashville, and
so when they moved to Nashville, they left me the
whole house. And when I was living in Compton, they
just they say, look be selling this house, but you
can live here for a few years.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
You know, saying by yourself. I'm I'm eighteen nineteen, just
now got out.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It was crazy, yeah, yeah, And so this is the
same time, and like I said, it's almost fake because
this round the same time where Saul gets kicked out
of his house.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So he's like and so he's like Pete, like can
I come.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Stay with you? I'm like, I guess for sure. And
so when my parents left, it was literally just me
and him in the house.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
We was like, bro, we really got.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
This whole house to ourself like this is crazy, like yeah,
so we just so, yeah, we just and that's when
our bond it was like really formed, you know, just
live with each other and like for so long and
just going through so much was.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
He working on where you guys it was the music
at that point were starting to kind of get where
you started production at.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That No, no, no, And this was two thousand and seven,
so around this time he was just just starting out,
you know, you know, getting in with TDE you know
what I'm saying, and you know, going to you know,
Stevenson and recording over there. But even before then, I
was like like I was always with him going to
like studios and like before he was with TD's with
(10:42):
Street Beat, and I was going with him to interview
to record, So I was always around him when it
comes to like you know, recording and music. And the
way I got into it is I just started recording
music myself, like with the homies, like like the homie
will have a house and Carson and I'll be the
one like I'll record, y'all, I'll record it. So my
my intro and the music that started there.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So it was more or less going you know, being
being homies following around and then said, oh, you know,
I can create value and I'll do it. I don't
want to wrap, I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
All the homies wanted to rap, so I'm like, yeah,
so I'll be the one to record y'all.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
And that's just a way for me to like still
be involved, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
And how did it transform from that to Okay, I
want to start creating beats now or making music.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And I really fell into beat making just hanging out
with my big cousin north Star, north Star. To God,
I was like I was already. I would always go
to his house. When I go over there, he was
always like messing with this program, his music program, and
I'm watching him make beats and I'm like, bro, I
want to I want to try this, you know what
I'm saying. And he was like, I'll go ahead, so
(11:44):
you know, next few days, I'm I'm literally as a
computer for hours, like trying to make a beat. And
I finally made one beat, and when I did it,
like I fell in love with it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I didn't care.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Nobody thought I fell in love to beat really shit,
So but I took the beat he was living in Pasadena.
I drove back to the I drove back to Carson
with and put up on the homies. It was it
was Magic Agent, J king Rich and Soul like that
was our crew.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That was our crew. We always hung out.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And so I took it back to the block and
I put up on them. I was like, bro, I
got this beat I made. They lay laughing like what
are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But then when I put it on and played it,
as soon as it came on, they were shocked, like yo,
this hard. But what caught me was they started freestyl
into it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So now so now I'm having experience of like I'm
at a beat and now they're actually rapping to something
I made, and I caught the bug just like that.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Their reaction to it was like, Okay, this is it.
This is so Prior to that, did you have any
like love or notice for music?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Because no, thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I always knew I wanted to be involved in music
some way like I would. I mean yeah, I was
always just like confidence, like man, I can I mean
like I can I can put my input on music
in some way?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Like I knew I wanted to do that for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
No, that's that's fine. And then see, I thought the
story was gonna go a whole completely different way. I
thought you was gonna say, you you made this beat,
you drove all the way from passing and ship and
then when you just presented to the homies, they gonna
sho on your music.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Liked it, actually actually liked in that. Yeah, and again
and they and they bigged me up. And when I
caught that bug like, it was like, yeah, that that
was that was the most fire I ever had in
me for anything I ever did you know what I'm saying, Like,
at that age, so what.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Were you working on? You said it was a program.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It is a program called Reason Reason, Yeah, the Reason
And at that time, you can buy like a crack
not buy, but you can get a crack version of it.
You know what I'm saying, Like, you know it's it's
you know, we passed a you know what's it.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Called sexual limertation.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
We pasted that, you know what I'm saying, So you don't.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Figure got money now, no more cracking And that's funny.
That was reason for I'm on Reason thirteen. Though I
literally stayed with that program for yeah, for almost for
over fifteen years, have you.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So, have you tried different forms, like have you tried
different programs? Yeah, programs or or like from analog to
to hardware or have you tried like different styles and
you know, like.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
No, yeah for sure, I mean no, yeah, well as
far as like hardware, you know, I definitely like you know,
did like different keyboards, paths and things like that. But
what's most important is is you sticking with one program?
Because when you do that, like, it's so much to
learn when you mess with a program. So now I've
(14:14):
stayed with my same program so much. I know how
to like manipulate sounds. I know exactly what I need
to do for the sound I want to make.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I guess I was asking if you have you tried,
like you know, because a lot of people use fruity
loose yeah, like if you try to use like oh no,
that's just not no.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I tried it, but I mean it was it's damn
there like morse code to me, you know. Yeah, So
so let me do the read the boom. So I
was like, let me just yeah, let me not switch
so fast because I still have like work to do
and like shopping on my skills in this program.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's just me. I like to focus on one thing,
and you know what I'm saying, So.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
One thing that I didn't include when I'm talking about
you man, it's you know, the biggest bucko with Pack Music. Man,
talk about Pack Music group and you being the head
show of the label, and talk about what Packed Music is,
the how you running that and how you can kind
of wear so many hats as producer, DJ, you know, label,
(15:06):
label owner and you know now artists you know.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, definitely, Well, Pack Music like started just as a
concept just with the homies. Then it turned into like
a production just group, and then I turned it into
a full like a full blown label like it was.
It was literally like those three steps, like and these
are the steps of me just taking my career and
taking everything I'm doing and it's turning it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Into like a professionalism.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Like I said, it's the concept, so you know, it's
you know, it's you know, it's just we're just having
fun with it, almost like a hobby.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Then it turned into a group. It's just like hanging
out and doing this because we love it.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
But I was like, no, I'm I'm I'm trying to
go to the next level with this, Okay, So I
need to ll see this Okay, So I need to
you know what I'm saying, like turn this into a
company and and see what.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I can do with it.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
But I already had in my in my in my
head like what I wanted to do. Yeah, yeah, I
was like, as a producer, I want to be able
to like have my own you know, label, so you know,
things I want to do, I can always like like
just filter it through my label. Even to this day,
like I'm dropping my album through my own company.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You know what I'm saying, is it is it tough
to kind of like transition from wearing one hat to
the next. Like, you know, you're gonna be going on tour, right,
please talk about the tour too. You're gonna be going
on tour as well. He's jumping on tour with what's
going on? Let let them know the situation.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh yeah, for sure. Sure.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I mean I'm on my third tour this year, going
on the Joy Badass Toward the Dark Ora tour. We
started October fifteen until the end of November, so we're
about to be on a road for a long time.
It's about to be a gruelly one, but I love it.
I enjoy it. These are my These of my favorite people,
like you know Rahapsy.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I love her.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
She's like one of my favorite like rappers. You know,
we don't make songs together already, we already have a report.
This is my first time, you know, I'm getting to
know Joey like that. Even though you know we did
the freestyle of the we did the red Bull freestyle
that was my intro to him, you know what I'm saying,
But now going on tour with him, So I'm I'm
(17:04):
excited about this because this is right up my alley.
I'm a lyric driven just like music lovers, so me
going on with three is three like three of the
best like lyricist. This is It's funny this this tour
about to be head popped. It's about to be it's
about to be all hoodies, backpacks, you know, it's about
(17:25):
to be here.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
What's dope about this? I like the way you lined
out your album, lined up your album to kind of
have out there as well. Is that something that you
learned from the previous experiences, Like Okay, I got to
kind of have some type of product because now I
got all eyes on me when they when they come
to my page or when they you know, find out
who I am. You know, all they see are production
for other people, which is cool, but it's no standalone
(17:46):
thing for podon P. So did that plan to you
want to kind of get this project aligned with the
tour as well?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And this is all trial and error. I I regret it,
like this is me not being prepared. But like I said,
everything in line double timing. So no, I mean, of course,
in my perfect world, I know, I mean it works
out because I'm able to drop the album and go
on the road and end a promoter on the road,
you know, while I'm DJing, I'm able to you know,
play some of the songs I can. I can have
(18:13):
my merch y, I can do all that. But but
in my perfect world, no I would. I mean I
tried to, like line so much, so much up and
dropping in July or August something like that. But when
you work with so many different artists, you know what
I'm saying, like, it's hard to get versus back and
get time and get artists in the student at the
same time. So with this being my first project, it
(18:34):
is like a lot of trial and era. How to
go through so to a point where it got me
all the way into the deadline, like on my tour.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
So I was gonna say, how how is that for you?
Like managing so many personalities and different artists that you
deal with, relationships that you stacked up over the years.
I'm sure maybe calling in some favors or tapping in
with some folks, Like what was one of the biggest
lessons that you learned putting this project together? Is finally
getting it out there?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Well, first, I'll first, I love it because like I'm
a I'm a people person, Like so I get the
most joy out of like getting so many people together,
and like you make you you form the best relationships
in the studio, you know what I'm saying. And that's
and that's how some of the best music music is made,
because you know, the chemistry is there. I'll I'll get
arts in the studio and we'll just chop it up
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for an hour or two before me to make music.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Because now that are we familiar with each other, you know,
and we're like we're very fond of each other. So
now we're making the best music because the chemistry is there. Ever,
get bounce off ideas things like that everyone's comfortable. What
I did learn though, is and I and I never
take any of it personal. Like if I reach out
to certain artists that I've done music with, are that
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you know who will say that, you know, the fans
of me are like I love your work. I'll reach
out for a verse and I don't want to say
no names, but I'll reach out for a verse and like,
you know, I get it done and then drag their feet,
you know what I'm saying things like that, Like, are
some artists that like I that I'm like, I'm taking
a shot. I'm gonna just take a shot, see if
we're gonna do something, And they'll be like, no, sidle
what you got? But then you know, they'll kind of
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leave me on stuck. But like I said, I don't
take it personal because I just always look within. So
I'm just okay, Like I'm just not at that point
yet to where I don't have a relationship with this
artist to where like, you know, I can get something
done with them, because everybody on my project that I have,
I have a I have a good report.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Well yeah, you have. I have a genuine relationship with them.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So that's why I was able to get versus back
so fast and like, bro, I got you of course,
you know what I'm saying, I'll get it back in
two days, versus some artists they'll take so long.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I'll just be like, man, I'm not gonna ask some
more what I mean, I guess it.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Like you said, it's a learning curve. But at the
same time, it's like your life be life with everybody,
and it's it's it's something that man, it's it's kind
of tough because it's one of those humbling experiences. But
the same time, it's like this is a business man.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
No no, and you and I tell people like because
you know, we all go through this, and as far
as like trying to reach out to people, are feeling
like you're getting shun like you just can't take a
person because you gotta admit, like there's people who reach
out to you and you kind of like brush off
only because you feel like, what's the benefit that I
have into working with y aall doing this with you.
So that's why I'm like, even if the person I'm
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reaching out is like, it's not benefiting me right now. No,
I understand you know what I'm saying. No, like you know,
we can circle back around at that time. It you know,
it works out better for both of us. I'm all
for it, but I don't like the well fuck, you
know what I'm saying, Well we you know, forget you
then you know I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But let me let me. Let me bring off some
names that are on the project man of course A
Sol Moray shouts at the Homy dre Bow, Tris Shamton, sixteen,
tf Ice, Cold Bishop, Daylight, Itchy Bond shouts out to
Willie B Mick Jenkins, A d Airplane, James Epic must die,
grab Bart Oatmeal, bas Coyotes loops to them two elevens.
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Yet they and also the Army Sir stacked the lineup.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Relationship like curated over the years.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Everybody who is on there's someone and it's and it's
also it's also new relationships too, like Moray, like I
just I I became friends with him this year just
through through music. I did a song with him through
my manager Dough Wow. He set me up with him
and then from then we did a double song from then,
you know, I started chopping up with him.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I brought him over to the.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Studio with me, and so we did more music with him,
and once again in the studio we just with the
bond was created.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You know, I'm so I think I just said a
second a good said recipes. I thought you're talking about
berg're talking about dot network.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but but of course long live a
little bit Burger sure, but but yeah, so like Murray,
he's my guy. Yeah, you know, we formed a bond
like ourselves. We chopped up all the time. That's why
it's like everybody in that project, I have a genuine,
like you know, respecting relationship with for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And you said so for you when when you're creating,
I know you said you'd like to be in the
studio and kind of like had that bond with people
and chop it up and create that production wise, do
you rather be alone and kind of cook that, like
get a foundation up for yourself or do you like
them to be in the studio why you're doing.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
No, I like, I like cooking a loan only Yeah,
I'm like that only because like not not not that
I'm paranoid, but like I don't know. I have this
thing like when I'm by myself, I can just be
just max creative and I'm such oh I can't say
people please it, but I'm such aware of like energy
and other people around me.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So if I shrugging your shoulder when you're doing something like.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
No, no, it's not even that I could be. I
could be at the table like making the beat and everything.
They could be sitting behind me on the couch. But
like you know, producers, we can like we can work
on the same loop for an hour and so like,
but I'm conscious, I'm like, man, they probably like annoyed
or something like that, so which throws off my my
concentration and that's just me and it's not their fault.
It's just me feeling like you know what I'm saying,
like okay, let me switch it up or now I'm
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on sure myself. But I'm by myself, I can literally
just like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's good to know what works for you though, man,
because if you can set that back, not even a
set of at the boundary, but just allow people to
know that that's your process, they in turn won't take
it a certain way. Even it's like, look, if you
want the best for me, just letting me cook, you know,
presenting with ideas of what you already know for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
And I've and I've been in both works both ways
work because I've been in sessional artists and I'll make
the beat on the spot. But but what I'm learning
is just and me making beasts for myself. It's just
that's my comfort level. So I'm kind of learning to
kind of step out of that, yeah, and be uncomfortable
and being you know, students of other producers or things
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like that, and just kind of cook with them, like
I rarely collaborate with other producers, like and we've cooked
up at the same time.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Like and so I'm I need I'm learning how to.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Step out of that space and like I said, just
being uncomfortable and just vibing with like other producers and
collabing like Fancis, I'm I want to get one in
with day one.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
He just hit me up, like, bro, come on, let's work.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I just seen that you posted something. You posted something
that jumped in the commons styles work, bro.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
He been trying to work with me, saying with Maar,
saying with all that it's I'm saying, it's really me
always like like I'm just not me, not being sure.
It's like I don't because I don't know how it's
going to go because it's it's unfamiliar territory for me. So,
like I said, I got to just put myself out there.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
But you're the.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Biggest buckle man, the biggest buckle talk about that moniker,
talk about that name. Where did that stem from? And
I like it because it's it's kind of similar to
when t I called himself the King of the South.
What I'm saying, themselves the greatest. You pick up this,
you pick up this, this, this, this alter ego, the
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Black Mamba, Kobe Bryant, like all these people like that.
I like, I'm just telling you this is what, this
is what I see. I feel like that ever since
you kind of took on that persona things have changed
in a in a in a maximum level. You know
what I'm saying. But but where did that stem from?
And how did you hold on to that? And where
do you see yourself?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
It's funny, it's stem from COVID, from COVID like just
clubhouse and so around then, like and I and I
met bro Too shout out Davis. I met bro Too
and everything at a at a comedy club. But it
was around that time. It was like twenty nineteen, like
he was like he had these skits where he was
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like come on buck oh, like he was always doing
that and everything, and so it was just me playing around,
like I just started. I loved it so much. I
just started doing it and just picking up on it.
But I remember on clubhouse E remember the club I
was day. That's when it when COVID shut down. Everybody
their mama, every a R was on there, you know, yeah,
so we yeah, it was pretty much a party line.
But from then that's where I like just like brought
(26:37):
like brought the buco to Club Bolls. And I was
always just saying it, just saying it is making jokes
and to a point where it just stuck with people.
Next you know, they referred to me as like come on, buck,
let me guess what what what's up?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
What's up? Bukoh.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, and it was it really just became just something
I just like couldn't like stop, and to a point
where like from twenty twenty twenty twenty five, like it's
still going but it did take on a life of
his own to where I'm on tour and people like, what's.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Up Buco, hey big Buck. I'm like, I'm I'm amazed.
I'm like, hey, no, this is crazy. You know it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I could be on stage and people are screaming at
I'm like, okay, so this is different, but it is.
I remember me, and you don't have conversations where you
like trademarket and this and that, and I'm like, I
wouldn't even I'm still trying to figure out how you
even do, like to do merch with that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Bro I saw when I saw Lebron posted, I.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Said that was different. When Lebron was like, what are
we doing?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I'm like, oh, but even even with that, like like
I said, even when it comes to merch, because like
for instance, with keem Are, or even with you, when
it comes to like you know, the dad things you
get that that you guys got going like like see,
like so yours can be a stand alone. So I'm
trying to figure out even how to like merch like
(27:49):
Bucco and I come on a Bucko shirt, but like
I still want something that like stands on his own,
that means something you know what I'm saying, Yeah, but
but no, but it has, but it has taken on
it like a life it is on as far as
like that, that's really my alter ego.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I'm telling you, man, Simplicity is the best that the
best thing, bro. Just man, just just do it. And
like just like everything else in your career, it's like
you find your way to it and and things just
kind of like.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Just fall into it, fall into it, and things that
will work will work its way out.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But nah, I love the fact that that has taken
on a life of its own. It's something that's probably
you didn't even see it was gonna go.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
To to a point where there's a there's a Buckle
Junior song. You know what I'm saying, Like no, yeah, no,
and so like even my yeah no, it's no, It's
it's crazy to me, man, And I'm just like I'm
never gonna start like this is here to stay.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So so on on a personal tip, bro, like how
do you deal with like cause, I mean you you've
seen a lot of things happen throughout the course of years,
you know, losing folks, you know, being being down with
day ones and and and situations happen. How do you
balance mentality wise when things are going on with with
with with homies and personal ship, Like how do you
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how do you manage being there for them, but at
the same time keeping your middle you know, your sanity
there as well. No, you got wife as well, you
got things that's happening in your life that you've got
to attend to. How do you balance both of those
life of the entertainment business, personal ship and your own
mental sanity.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I mean, as you know, it's it's a you know,
it's an every day It's it's an every day like
fight that you have. Are Like, how I do it
is like I like just to simplify my life. So
I've always been like that, So you know, even with
you know, me and my wife and is that is
music and it is my you know, my circle of friends.
But I mean, how I do it every day is
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like I just focus on just stamp, just being present.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
It's really just about that.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Like the minute i'm you know, I'm I'm I'm fixated
or I'm caught up in other people's like you know,
woes or problems are life. That's how I lose track
of what I got going on so every day I'm
always focusing on just being present and and just and
just focusing on what I have to do. You know
what I'm saying, Like this in my life, being president
is so important. Like I'm learning that even you know,
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at this age right now could be for It's a
lot of times where I wasn't like that, but now
I'm I'm really honing in on that, like so much
of just being present, even with social media and things
like that, Like I still struggle with it, but even
waking up in the morning, like I'm trying not to
like be on my phone because you can. You can
wake up and go on social media. You can scroll
on social media. You go through five different emotions before
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you get out the bed. You know what I'm saying.
You're scrolling, so you're seeing some more missing out on
this all. I'm jealous of this. I'm sad at this.
You haven't got the bed yet, so your morning's already.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You know how I know you you kind of like
really tapped into zen and inner peace. And I've seen
you with the cat. Bro I seen you with the cat.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I said, no, no, no, no, this didn't look this
is all this, This is all my wife doing. Man,
So yeah, no, this is it's not my cats.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Cat was petting the cat.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I got two cats.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I got two cats.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, no, no, And it's funny. I've never been a
cat person ever in my life. I never had cat.
I never had cats growing upthing like that. But it's
so much easier, han't cast They're like roommates, bro, Look
at Yeah, I ain't gotta tell you. I ain't got
to know because I did. I did the dog the
salesman for the cat. Look, I'm telling y'all, like, but
you know, it's funny. Cats have a black Cats have
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a bad rap among black in the black community.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
For real. My mama hate, mama hate cats.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Somebody, I got my son on the now, if we
see a cat in the back, get.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Out of why is that that?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Man?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Like, no, what what happened?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Man?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Look what happened with black people and cats? Cats just
be there for me personally and this this war. Maybe
you can help me out because that's where I know
you got that inner piece of that zen. When I
see cats, I'm just annoyed. They were always in my backyard,
always just doing But I mean, but but they wasn't
First of all, they weren't doing crazy. They was doing
crazy stuff. There was there was screaming, There was crazy
(31:56):
screaming and hit in the back exactly. Nah. But the
fact that you've got to that point, and my point
in that is that you've learned how to kind of
compromise with your situation and with your wife and I
and I think that's dope, right. I'm sure you have
your ways and things that you want to do, but
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you learned how to how to compromise in oh, and
I think it's it's applied in life as well. You
know what I'm saying. When you learn to master stuff
like that, it shows up in different areas of your life.
So the fact that you're able to do that, things
that you weren't comfortable with years ago, whatever the case
may be, you've learned to now do it the same thing.
I think that that always. That also applies with the music,
things that you may not have been comfortable with years
(32:38):
ago sound wise sonically. Now you can kind of take
it to the next level and explore different things.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
And you know what, and that and that gives me
like wisdom and strength for any other things in the
future that I made another obstacle, I may come across
because now I come across a new obstacle, and so
I'm like, man, I'm gonna get through this.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Let me just like I said once again, you you
look within and e be present and you just really Okay,
you've been to this before, like you know what I'm saying,
Like you overcame this, You ever came that?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So okay, how did you do that? Okay? You locked
in do this?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
So no, you know, everybody comes from experience, just like
overcoming certain things that I never think I'll do.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Now it's another obstacle. Okay, I can get do this.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So let me talk about one obstacle that you may
or may not have had to deal with it and
without there's no names anything like that, but when it
comes to you know, people on your production, it's a
sacred thing. I'm assuming, right. Has there ever been a
moment where you give somebody a beatpack or somebody's on
a song and they just don't deliver the way you
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want them to do? What is that conversation to let
them know like oh you yeah, you can't, We're gonna
take You're gon We're gonna take you.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Okay. Are you saying like you can't have to beat
are we taking you off the song? Which one?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Listen, let's do take him off the song? But then yeah,
let's do that one because the beat that that can
be subjective because for a range of reagions, it might
go to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, I mean a lot of that one beat. It's
just business.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Like you know, if somebody's on on on a song
with yours, right and they just not delivered, Like, what's
that conversation you have with them?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Hey, don't networks that that's really that's really happened. Like
I can't say that, but no, that really happened on
the song that that that recorded a bunch of people
on it, but it was one person that was kind
of like that was that was kind of like the
Weekly It was slacking it. And first of all, it
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was too many people on the song, and so I
was like, somebody got to come off.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
And I was like, I know exactly when you come off.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Like man, I'm like, no, man, you gotta let them know, man,
because you know what I'm saying, don't know him to
you know, y'all break it to him. Because and this
is why having management is so important, because my job
is to keep the relationships. I always tell people that, like, bro,
like get you a manager, are an assistant.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
So if so, you don't have to be the bad guy.
Let them be the bad guy.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
But you've had to deal with that and be in
that role as well as you know.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Oh yeah, for sure. It's the thing.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I didn't mind being a bad guy for the artist
that I always representing. Yeah, yeah, if they don't want
to do it, Look, they don't want to do it, this, this,
how much is going to be? You know, I didn't
I didn't mind stepping into that role of like, yeah,
of having to be the bad guy because, like I said,
because I'm all about holding integrity, you know what I'm saying,
So like you know this, this is what this person wants,
Like we're not going to be in the break or anything.
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And if you don't want to do it, then you
know that's fine, you know what I'm saying. But yeah,
because I'm all about holding integrity, I'm really about that.
I'm not I'm not gonna like like I said, the
PE's or anything like that. So it was it was
easy for me to do that, but I understand when
it comes to me now and having to do it. Yeah,
I don't want to tell people no if I if
it's something that me and you have to deal with,
I'd rather like how my manager do and then y'all
(35:43):
can figure it out.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
It's smart, I mean, that's the business side of it.
So of course, moving forward, all right, the project born
is going to be dropping, all right. I want to
kind of leave this as if the projects out I
know is going to be coming out at the end
of August.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I meanry audience, otok, But there.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I like putting dates on things at the same time,
you know, whenever you see this, you know, at some
point down the line after October thirteenth, going to support
it or whatever the case may be. But before we
get out of here, I want to talk about how
would you describe Python p's sound style? And the second
portion to that is how do you expand on that
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and maybe pivot or how do you how do you
shape your sound for for future for the future down
the line as well?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
For sure, how I explain my sound is how I
how I would explain who I am as a person.
You know me, I'm I'm heavy into zodiacs. I know
a lot of people not I'm heavy the zodiac. I mean,
I'm a Gemini. You know our you know our our
trades and characterations. You know, one of them is worth chameleons.
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So we can kind of absorb and kind of fit
a lot of people's mode. So and music it translates
to that. So I can make so many different sounds.
And I do that because once again, like I like to,
I like to morph into like you know, and it's
a challenge for me, and I take on the challenge.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It excites me.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
If if Sarah wants the type of beat, okay, I
can make that. If if if so need the type
of bead or you know, if cold one stance our daylight.
Once that, Like I pride myself and having just an
arrange of sounds because you know it'll be to me,
I'll be bored if I'm just making one type of.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So, but me, just.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
The evolution of my sound will always me, will always
be me, just always like taking risks and just me
trusting myself.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
So what does that look like when you say take
risks and challenging yourself as a producer. What are some
of the and the reason why I asked this is
because I noticed somebody that's watching you, listening to you
as a fan of you. You know, it looks up
to you that may not have access to you. So
if you can give that producer, that that creative that
a certain I.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Got the perfect And I tell people, I tell my
homies this. I tell people who you know who ask
me for the if I tell them the same thing.
Stop stop asking people what they think about your art,
because when you do that, like when even Mahomie teld
me asks me, like what you about this be or
this song?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I'm like, bro, what do you think about it? Like
that's what matter? Do you think it's dope?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Okay, that's all that matters because you like you asking
so many people, hey, which talk about this? Which think
about this beat? Now there aret there are like may
not be your art, so are they may not even
be in the mood to hear what you want to hear.
So now you're getting feedback that that's not even warranted,
and now it's discouraging you. And I've been through that,
you know what I'm saying. Like and so me, I
never ask people like what they think about my music.
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My job is to make sure the quality of my
music is there, So I don't take anything personal. If
I send beats out to certain artists and they're not
feeling it, Okay, you're not feeling it for sure, it's
just not for you. But I'm a damn sure make
sure the quality of it is a one to where
you can't even like you can you can't judge art,
but you can judge quality.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
You can let them know, ah, that's the terrible art.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
This beat sounds like you know what I'm saying, like
and you know, and you you know you do it
all the time, even with your you know what what
you used to do when you see like you know here,
I don't know why it's fleeting with direct yourself. So
you know as far as like you know, some song
may not be for you, but you know quality, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I can judge you on that. I can help you
on that.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
But would always tell people like, just trust your sound,
trust your vision, likes, don't ask people what they think
about your art, Like just what if you think it's dope,
go with it, man.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And that's all I do.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Like when I make music, if I think it's dope,
I'm going with it, even if it's something that's like
that's that hasn't like came out, it's a different sound.
If I think it's dope, I'm going with it. I'm
pushing it to people. Yeah, and if you trust me,
just just doing goddamn verse on this.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Now what I didn't ask you? Uh, and we'll close
out with this. Why the name born?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Okay, so buco it's actually an acronym B dot U
dot C dot K.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
There you go, okay, and that's what I can't do.
So and so why would you even do?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
But but but but I'm but I'm gonna tell you though.
So the first the first letter is born and born born,
I got the take one second, and you're never gonna
get the c K Carson, I'm definitely comping. I'm definitely
not born under said the content, you know, outside.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Born under comp kicking it outside that's hey, that's some ghetto.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Come on, man, I'm I'm I'm way more layered than that.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I'm just saying I wouldn't know. So look so now, look, so,
so the first one is born. That's why you know,
you see my cover art is going to match that
the whole thing. But So that's why this whole buckle
all my albums, it's going to be a series that's
gonna spell out.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Born and then you know born. I'll give you that
one born under I'll give you that one. The second
was born down there, and then the born whom they're
born all the way into the He's not going to
can I can I I guess this this well, this
is not well unfortunate. Let me just guess it just
is to see a place or a city. It's not
(41:16):
a location. It is a okay, state is a state
of mind? Is definitely okay, I'll take that. Now, give
you some central central centered. No it's not center, it's
something like that's that's relative to that.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
No, No, it is, it's the opposite the center.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, confused, confusion, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
But it's not it. Okay, that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
We are going under chaotic ohip almost almost chaos, almost
almost confusion. Look, I'm getting there about to confuse you,
I said, confused learning Damn, everybody's everybody.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna talk.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Okay, I don't talk afterwards, but but for the people
at the five at bath though and look and and
by the time I get to the old you might
you might get a sixteen from I might might, I
might guess something. But but but but but I'm dropping
my first single next Tuesday and on the thirtieth. It's
it's called that. That's what the song is called, my
first single, especially to me. That's why I did it
(42:18):
with my brothers. Uh, you know, so tf ice cool Bishop,
these are like these are these are my guys? So
Christ boom Christ Christ. I am Catholic, but you know
well baptized Cathy. I don't know if I'm not anymore?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Wow, are you denouncing not playing stop man the biggest
bucko pe man? It's an honor, end of course, y'all
could Uh? I do want to give the folks the
heads up that check the record with me and Christians
don't remember us, right, I'm saying, he said, we we
we co working.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Well, this is why we can kick the shape.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
But this is it's a it's a full circle moment, man,
And I'm proud of what you've been able to do.
And I'm glad you you're stepping outside and showing people
more of yourself. And you know, can't wait to actually
see the full series kind of play out and see what.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Folks can be you man, Yeah, no, I know, and
I appreciate you because you've seen you was You've been
there from the beginning like seeing my you know, trajectory
and just you know, seeing me figure it out and
going through different like phases to hear so like once again,
that's special to me to sit in front of you
and be able to you know, be able to talk
about it, man, like, Yeah, just have my peoples.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Like you here, Man, that that that means a lot
to me.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Man. It just shows like where I've come to, where
I could be in a room and it just feels
like I'm kicking it, you know what I'm saying. That's
what it's about, man, Python The Biggest Buckle born the
album in October thirteen.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Have my release party on the twelve, and make sure you're.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
There, please, I'm there, Brokay might bring the kids. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It is a family fair. It is a family affair.
It's a family affair. Come on, I'll be the cats.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
That's what it is. Cats going under cats. That's a
good wrap up. Keeping it all wrong. People catch you
out next time o
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