December 15, 2018 • 53 mins
Joe Lisi, Rich Cirminiello, and Gabe Morency talk about their expectations for the College Football Playoffs. Then, they bring in Thesportsbrokers.com's Jamie Heath to examine this week's College games from a betting perspective and more. #FNTSY #FNTSYRadio #NCAA #CollegeFootball #CollegeFootballPlayoffs #Playoffs #Bets #Betting
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All our works College Football Today. All the bowl season
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kicks off today. Five great bowl games on Top ten
next Friday, December one. Welcome to College Football Today, brought
to you by A D s I, jo Le, Sie,
Ritz Sermonello and Game Lorenzi. Gonna take you through all
of today's top action, give you our best bets. We'll
talk about the College Football Playoff and all the bowl
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games on tap. Rich. Doesn't get better than this. The
lower tier bowls. This is where we see solid matchups
and might get the best action of the bowl season. Yeah.
One of the concerns that we have in the bowl season, Joe,
is motivation not today. Well, once you get to these
uh second tier bowl games that they're highly competitive. These teams,
the North Texas is they don't get a major stage,
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they don't get an opportunity to play in front of
a national audience. Uh. The one of the only games
that's on all Saturday. So North Texas, Middle Tennessee, Appalachian State,
Fresno Stay. These are the types of schools Georgia, Southern
Eastern Michigan that will see today. And that's very exciting
for those teams. And I think it's great for those
of us who love the Bowl season because this will
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be passionate, competitive, energetic football. Yeah. Great landscapes that you
don't see each and every Saturday. Some teams in the
Mountain West the UNLV that stadium there for the Las
Vegas bell great landscapes and the forty ball games culminating
up until the National Championship game on January seven, provides
an opportunity not only to watch, but to gamble on
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these games and more action and and that's where you
see the line movement and you see some of the
Vegas angle coming to play in some of these ball games.
And we spoke about it before in terms of you're
stepping out Nickel Hiirey for Arizona State will now play
Darryl Henderson for Memphis out for that ball game as well.
That has a big factor and impact and not only
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on the outcome but on the Vegas angle. Yeah, it
really does. And and you know what I I've I've
said for years, you know, Bowl season is it's part
this season. It's a lot of next season. So when
a Darryl Henderson steps out and and leaves for the
NFL Draft, it needs more reps for Patrick Taylor. You know.
So if Nikiel Harry and he's not gonna play again
Fresno State today, but Kyle Williams and those other Arizona
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State receivers they get more reps, they get more of
an opportunity to shine. Will Greer is not gonna play
later this bowl season for West Virginia. Now we get
a chance to see Jack Allison, the Miami transfer quarterback.
So yeah, on one level, it kind of sucks we
want to see the stars play. But on the other level,
it's a chance to do some advanced scouting for two
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thousand and nineteen and when you're looking not just the players,
but the coaches as well. That's a factor of Scott
sadderfield now for Apps Stay and Matt Wells Now the
new head coach for Texas Tech, will not be on
the sidelines as they take on the mean Green Gabe,
how does that impact the lines from the Vegas angle
in terms of perspective, in terms of handicapping these outcomes. Well,
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I'll tell you what, guys. One thing you can do
you can't. You can't say you can blindly bet any
trend or you just do this or do that. You
bet every your dog, you bet every favor when it
comes to ball games. But I'll tell you, over the years,
into and coaches struggle, and you know, it's hard for
the kids to buy in and run through a wall
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for for a school, for a program, for a team,
when when the coaches leads, and it's just it just
is subconsciously, I don't I don't know, you figure all
right something once in a while the kids will play
for each other. But I'll tell you all, you know,
I agree with you guys were saying as far as
these early Bowl games, because let's be real, I mean,
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you know, the Bowl games. I love it. I'm as
fired up as could beat today. I'm really excited for
some college football I'm more fired up this week and
I happened in a while for some college football. I'm
excited for these games, but the big time bowl games,
these kids don't care, all right. They care more about
the National Football League. They care more about the draft.
And we're seeing this more and more now. I mean
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now we got quarterbacks not playing in the bowl games.
So it's almost like the kids finally caught up to
the coach and he said, all right, the coaches don't care.
So you know what, I don't care either. I gotta
think about myself. But I like go out, Rip stated,
I love this is for a Saturday of Bowl action.
Kids on North Texas, there's probably one are two kids, right,
they're gonna make it to the National Football League. Maybe
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this is the National Football League for them today? Is
they care about these ball games? I'm telling you what
the kid on Michigan. You think the kid on Michigan's
losing sleep because it doesn't beat the Florida Gators. Nope,
he's getting ready for the Combine. Come on, Nope, Right,
kid on North Texas, it means everything to that. It
means everything in the Middle Tennessee State today, these kids,
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this is the biggest game that are gonna play in
our lives some of these kids. And that's why I
love these early ball games. And we spoke about it
before in terms of if you're gonna handicap these matchups,
you want to take teams that are motivated, teams like
wake Forest, teams that are five hundreds that want to
go out with the winning record to end their two
thousand and eighteen campaign. So I think that's that's a
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fact that when you break these games down from the
handicapping perspective. The other thing, and we spoke about it
off camera, was when you see a player like Will
Greer step out and not playing the ball game against Syracuse,
I said it that this could possibly lead to the
expansion of the of the college football playoff because if
we do expand it to say sixteen overall teams, and
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now West Virginia has a Week one matchup in the
playoffs against Alabama, there's no way Will Greer has taken
off in terms of preparing for the NFL Draft. Yeah,
that's all that could be the falloff for sure. Right game.
You know, you guys are right here. It's a good point.
Y'll actually until it affects the television numbers right until
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it catches up where people stop watching these games. Yeah,
I think we're such a niche market that. Honestly, you know,
I've always talked to this. It's like football, Roger Goodell
can knock on your door, punch you in the face.
You're still gonna watch the games in three house. And
you know it's funny guys with the steroid used and
in cycling and and you know, the Tour of France
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and all that type stuff, they actually care, you know
what I mean. It's not like, oh, in baseball, the
media against Matt and you know what happened. The television
networks told the Tour de France and the powers that be,
we're not airing this. We're not in Germany. They said,
we're not gonna to toward to France anymore because it's
too corrupt. You guys need to clean your sport up.
We don't want to air this anymore. That would never happen.
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That would never happen in America obviously because of the
monetary game. But it's a good point of your ratio
until ESPN takes a hit in these Bowl games with
their television numbers. You know, these players will continue to
do that, or at least, you know, the system will
say stay the way that it is, because let's be real,
these Bowls are all made for TV, right I mean,
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esp At Holmes thirty four out of the thirty eight
Bowls or whatever the hell it is right now, it's
just TV. At the same thing too, they try to
do the kids a disservice. Sometimes the stadiums will be
half empty. They don't care. Once again, and for television
there'll be millions of people watching and betting on these games.
They don't really care if there's six people in the stands.
I think it does the kids some disservice sometimes, And
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and Gabe brings up a great point because we've seen
half empty stadiums for the past decade, and we're gonna
see it again today, We'll see it over the next
couple of weeks. There's too many damn Bowl games. That's
the problem. And I think the kids have picked up
on that as well. Game That's what really pisces me
off is they've diluted the product so badly. Back in
the day. I'm not saying we go back to fifteen,
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but back in the day, it was a true reward
to go to a bowl. If you had fifteen, sixteen
bowl games, maybe twenty bowl games, you were like, damn,
we're one of the top teams. I want to go.
But when there's thirty nine, you want have six and
six teams. The kids have picked up on the fact
that this is largely a product designed for ESPN for
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you know, uh, holiday in, for local hotels, for restaurants.
It's all economically based. And to the credit of the kids,
they have now realized that wait a second, hear everybody's benefiting.
Coaches are leaving, the hotels are benefiting, the bowls are benefiting.
We have Bowl committee chairman's that are making six and
seven digits at the top of these bowls, and I
gotta go play one more game. And one point I
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want to bring up to It's no longer just about injuries.
Let's not forget. This is the generation that has gotten
a head start on everything. This is the generation that
now as true freshmen, are leaving high school early in
order to participate in spring football. These kids are not
just afraid of being injured, Gabe, they also want to
head start on the NFL draft. They're like, hey, listen,
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if my competition is gonna be working out with a
trainer down in Arizona that long before the NFL combmine,
damn it. I want that opportunity to So this is
gonna be a problem that does not go away. That's
a great point. You look at Josh Allen the Buffalo Bills,
not a big time quarterback. You're right, kids on Alabama
right now? How many kids are that? It's a great point.
You race right, and as we love the Bulls were
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just being real. No, how many kids on Alabama thinking man, yeah,
this is cool. I'm in the final four. But man,
got dB from Kyle and right now is what do
coach that I want to be with? He's at that
camp that I want to be at right now, he's
gating on me. It's a great point. And also when
we talked about the kids as well, it's like you said,
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it used to be a man I remember like growing
up was like, man, Michigan better winning this Bowl game?
Now it's like whatever, you know what I mean, It's
it's it is what it is. But if you're a
student and you're a fan, are you suppunge Christmas time?
It's the alldis Are you supposed to travel and spend
money and sitt in a half empty stadium and not
have that atmosphere. You know, I love this stuff. You
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know what, I will just get this party started by saying,
bring back the blue Gray game on Christmas, East West
Shrine game, the Astro Blue Bonna ball, that Ghost Bowl
games great as a kid growing up, I mean the
All Star games. Tanswerin ball. Yeah, it all goes to listen,
all of this goes back to Joe's astute point, which
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is change could be in the air, because if the
bowl season gets a little weaker and a little weaker
and and it does impact TV ratings, it might be
incumbent upon the n c a A and the committee
to say we need more meaningful football in December January?
What could You're right? If what's Virginia has in the
playoff right now? At the top, Hey, they're like, well
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you can't go Yeah, He's like, I can win a
national championship instead, Hey, I gotta figure about myself everybody
else exactly exactly. And it goes back to the point
of if you're in that playoff type of atmosphere, explain
that to an NFL GM or a scout saying you
backed out of a playoff type of atmosphere with a
chance to win a national championship, to think about yourself,
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how can you lead our program or are our franchise
on the next level. So that's what I was, not
my Eve guy a couple of years ago. I don't know, guys,
skips the ball game. If I'm ANNFL team, I have
to wonder about his character. Yeah, so we'll see. It's
it's a intropable. It is not now, guys, it's very intriguing.
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I mean we have, we were you are right now
two weeks away from the college football playoff matchups Alabama
and Oklahoma and then Clemson and Notre Dame. I mean
dynamic ball games across the board. I think wanted to
break these games down, though, Rich one intriguing factor for me.
And when I look at all of these Alabama, Clemson,
Notre Dame on the road or on a neutral field site,
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eighteen and no, I mean that's a dynamic number. Oklahoma
as well as played well on the road, they are
only lost did come to Texas in the Red River rivalry.
But when I break these games down in terms of
margin of victory, Alabama won their six games by thirty
three point one points per game. You look at Dabo
Sweeney and Clemson thirty eight point one points per game,
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Notre Dame twenty and a half points per game, and
oh you eleven and a half points per game. Now,
that's the one atmosphere or factor that I think when
you break down Oklahoma, can they step up against that
rock salad offense and defensive line in Alabama? I don't
believe so. In in fact, I would instruct since a
lot of what we talk about is lines and gambling,
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and that's what makes the games infinitely more interesting, regardless
of the matchup or the location or the size of
the audience. If you got money on it, it matters.
I would recommend to to our audience, go put money
on Alabama now, because that line is gonna skyrocket prior
to December twenty nine. I I if you can get
fourteen fourteen and a half now, go bet Alabama now
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because I think they're gonna absolutely obliterate Oklahoma. Nick Saban
has almost a full month to prepare for one great player,
but one player in Kyler Murray, and that defensive Oklahoma
has absolutely no shot. I don't care if it's to
if it's Jalen Hurts. When you look at the talent
that they have at wide receiver, those young receivers that
have developed so well throughout the season, and the running
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We don't have a top of the running backs at
Albama anymore. We don't who has a better trio of
running backs than Josh Jacobs, not j Harris and Damian Harris.
So I think Alabama CoA name their number and and Gabe,
this is for you, by the way, how about first
half Alabama against Oklahoma? I mean, how much of a
lock is that gonna be? You know what's interesting? Actually
we talked about that year, what it got up to
tenant Oh, I believe until UH Cup game we were
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all sittingdil was the first team to cover in first
half fallI palace up here. That makes sense, and it
Auburn did as well. Actually after and Georgia did. We've
seen the trick actually have a cover three straight game.
I agree with you guys are talking about in the
sense it's funny you look at the line it's got up.
There was twelve and a half's out there and up
to an even fourteen right now. What's amazing to me,
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is the total eighty and a half right now for
that game. I like the over him Taylor Texas Tech Show.
You know what I'm saying, Like, wow, eighty and a half.
You don't remember what Derrick Henry did to the Jags,
uh week and a half, going in the farm people
and pushing people over. I've seen the same thing. I
think if you're Nick Saban, who's very Bill Belichick like
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it was, he'll he'll mix it up. If you can't
stop the pass, he'll throw the ball twenty eight times,
you can't stop the run, He'll run the ball sixty
two times. I think they're gonna look at Oklahoma and say, listen,
we're gonna keep Kyler Murray on the on the sideline
and let's just run the ball down their throat. They
won't be able to stop it. I think it's gonna
be the physicality that will be the difference. Oklahoma is
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gonna score in this football game. But to me, the
difference is who's gonna get a couple of stops. I
hate to use the analogy of arena football, but I
know what upsets Marshall Fox when I tell him, and
it's arena league stuff. Now, but that's what it is.
You get a couple of stops and you win football games.
It's almost like you know, all right, the other team
you're gonna score five or six times. You know, there's
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no you know, there's no much, no, no such thing
as all we get a four touchdowns. You have about defense, now,
you don't judge it by that. You judge it by
how many stops you can come up with. And Alabama's
gonna come up. They're gonna mix in four or five
stops along the game. And I don't see Oklahoma mixing
in too many stops. Yeah, that's a great point I
agree with. And I think when you look at the
other matchup of Clemson, I said they won their six
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games on the road by thirty eight point one. It
was thirty one point eight points per game. But I
look at the two games that they struggled against Texas
A and M in Syracuse, where both teams were uh
in in a spot to knock off Clemson. In those
ball games, Texas A and M passed for four during
thirty yards on that defense in Syracuse, and Eric Dungee
passed for two fifties. So Notre damon Ian book are
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gonna have to attack Clemson over the top of that defense.
It's a different time of the year too. I mean,
I think Clemson is a very different team than it
was a month or two ago. They have evolved kind
of like we would expect under Dabo Sweeney. If you
were gonna get Clemson, you had to do what Syracuse did.
I mean, you knocked out Trevor Lawrence. It was earlier
in the year. But as I've watched Clemson, the young
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quarterback Trevor Lawrence, the ability to run the ball with
Travis e t n a back seven of the defense,
they keep getting better and better and better. I don't
know if end has enough. Yeah, we'll pick it up
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the start to the eighteen Bowls season. Welcome back to
college football today, brought to you by bet d s I, Joelsie, Ritzermonello,
and Game Marenzi. We're joined right now by vice president
of Sports Brokers, Jamie Heath. He's been giving us his
picks and selections all season long. He's been rock solid,
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dead on the money. Jamie. How are you today? I'm great, Joe.
How are you guys doing today? Oh? This is what
it's all about, Jamie. Bowl season five great games today,
ten through next Friday, provides fans the opportunity to bet
and win some money. I mean, how do you see
today's actions shaping up? Well? Got like you just said,
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We've got five great ball games to start the card out. Today,
we're looking at a couple of conferences that are actually
in play today. The Sun Belt's got three teams playing today,
So we're gonna find out how these conferences fair against
the other conferences starting today, and we'll be able to
gauge probably throughout the bull season. Uh, as far as betting,
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as far as covering spreads, as well as just teams winning.
We're gonna find out today. I mean, last year there
were certain conferences that were excellent and they were actually
obviously certain conferences that were really bad and packed. Weelve
was definitely one of them last year. So we're gonna
see how these conferences fair today. We're gonna start seeing that. Jamie,
give me your general mindset in terms of Bowl season. Uh,
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you know, it's always a moving target. We now have
players that are singing out games and to kill Harry
Arizona State being a prime example for this Saturday. Joe
talked about it in the first segment. You have coaches
that are leaving, not just head coaches, but coordinators leaving positions.
What's your general take on Bowl season? How you approach
it from a gambling angle? You know, every every year Rich.
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It's It's funny you say that because a lot of
every year the coaches, a lot of coaches obviously accept
better jobs, more pro thick, prestigious jobs. In the case obviously,
today you got the coach from Appalachian State, he's leaving
to go fix Uh, Bobby Patricios mess in Louisville. You've
got the coach Utah State, he's leaving the go coach
Texas Tech. Uh. Which I didn't really agree with Cliff
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Cliff Kingsbury getting fired. I didn't like that. I thought
he deserved to stay. But uh, you know, it's funny
you mentioned that nowadays. We talked about it last week,
we said certain players are gonna sit out bowls. And
sure enough, literally ten minutes after I got off with
you guys, Will Greer decides he's not playing in the
line moves seven points. So as a betting perspective, you
really got to look at these things and take these
(20:36):
things into consideration. More so obviously with the players. But
this Fresno State Arizona State game. Yes, the receiver Harry
is out. He's obviously the cleric for the pros. He
signed up with an agency. He's out today. But uh,
this game, you know the line six and Fresno State. Yeah,
they were impressive. Ted Firs are great coach. But again
this is uh Herm Edwards first Bowl game. I really
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love the job they did. This team didn't lose the
game by by more than the seven points a matter
of fact, for the losses were exactly by seven bo
points and there are other loss was to Oregon, the
only loss by two. I think this is a good
spot for Arizona State actually getting six points today. This
is one of my plays, Jamie, when you look at
the actual landscape in terms of the Bowl action and
a lot of people play confidence pools where they picked
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the games from start to finish, but from the gambling
angule because of what you mentioned players stepping out, isn't
it better to wait for the day or maybe a
day before the Bowl, like not putting a lot of
these gamings into say parlays where if a player moves out,
the line can move anywhere, like you mentioned, seven to
ten points depending upon which player decides not to play.
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You're right, You're right, Joe, And obviously when you're dealing
with those confidence pools, you can't you can't do that. Obviously,
you have to put them in before the first ball
game starts. But as for a betting perspective, yes, is
uh better to wait actually for the day of the
game in a lot of cases, unless of actually really
like a team and you can get fortunate. I just
happened to like Syracuse getting the seven and a half.
I I thought they would cover against Wilgrew anyway, because
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West Virginia quite frankly doesn't play any defense. Syracuse was
moving up in the ball pretty much on everybody except
for Notre Dame. And you gotta take into consideration Dane
got hurt in the first core in that game. That
might have might have had to do a lot with
that game as well. So I was fortunate enough to
get that seven and a half in the game. Now,
obviously the lines pretty much a pick him. I like
Syracuse to win that game right now. But Uh, like
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you said, Joe, I think it's probably best in all
cases pretty much to wait for the day of the game,
because you never know certain players might decide not to play.
So it's a shame because I really feel it hurts
the balls and and it hurts the program. I mean,
it's a shame that will Greer is not playing in
that game. I really think he should. Yeah, once a
quarterback goes, I mean that changed everything. Uh you know,
(22:48):
we we we saw Christian McCaffrey, Gennaveon Clowney a couple
of years ago. You know, we at Oliver. It stinks.
But when a quarterbacks, a prominent quarterback goes exactly that
could be something that's a harbinger of things to come.
And and it's something that's gonna Really it's a shame.
It's a shame because you know, like you say, Rich,
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you know, you're talking about the star player. He is
the absolute star player of that team. He's the you know,
the heart and soul of that club. And he pretty
much is the engine that drives West Virginia. So it's
a shame that he's not playing. And and and it
affects the bullet really does. And we'll think about the
economic impact. But you're right, but you know, we talked
about it earlier off the top, and here a kid,
(23:30):
you know, like we said, you're not just thinking about
yourself in the future. It's that you know, am I
gonna do this essentially for ESPN? Right? I mean what
so what I get it? I get a Nintendo Nintendo
game Boy and and uh and a backpack, right, I mean,
you know, especially Will gree You've got a family. Um,
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It's it's true. There's just there's too many bowl games.
It takes some of the shine now. But we say
this now and once you watch the games, you know,
we won't be thinking about Will Greer. Once that football
game starts, you know, we won't be thinking about Will
grid That's what I love about these games. And I'm
you know, I sort of I'm old, old school and
cheesy like that. I love watching as a six win
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team get the seven. I love watching kids like and
actually means something to them, and they're gonna be talent people.
In twenty two years, I won the Cure Ball. I
was in the Cure Ball. I want and to tell
the story we talked about earlier, kids on Alabama, kids
on Olkaholma, Kyler Murray. Right now? What's Kyler Murray thinking
about right now? Oh my god? I hope I win
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this game against Alabama? Is he like, man, where's there
more money? What am I doing? Am I playing football?
And I played baseball? You know he's talking to agents,
he's talking to his his handlers. Is he thinking about
the game? Yeah, he wants to win the game. When
he's on the field, he's gonna make players, He's gonna
try to win the game. But what's he thinking about
right now? Money? Probably? Yeah, it's a shame because this
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this wasn't I'm obviously always money is a factor and everything,
but it wasn't this way years ago. But now it
seems who are sitting on the couch cutting on a game? Right?
These kids are the ones. They're smashing their n easy.
Look at Jake Butt, how to go for him? No,
it didn't. Yeah, but you want to know something. It
could happen on a football field, That could easily happen
on a basketball uh court too. You know it's just
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so I mean a quarterback obviously he goes back to pass,
and sure he could get you could get hurt, you
get killed, and he could you know, his whole career
could be over. But you know that could happen just
about anywhere. I hear what you're saying, and sure you
know it's it's obviously life changing money. It's gonna be
life changing money for Will Greer. But like you guys
were saying earlier, I mean Also, you know, when the
GMS go to draft this guy, what's it say about
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the guy's character when he doesn't want to play in
the final game of his career. I don't. I mean
that's you know, it's another thing to think about, Jamie.
We know you have a great package on tap, not
just college football but college basketball. Why don't you tell
fans what think you're tying up for? Today? Absolutely, Joe,
today got a great day. Not only we have the
five bowl games, We've got two NFL games, both of
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them which I absolutely love. Plus, we got a huge
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got a strong, strong game to day to day. I
should say, Yes, there's another Bowl game that I'm intrigued about.
It's at Tulane UL Lafayette matchup. It takes place in Orlando.
You have a contrast in styles of methodical offense in Tulane.
UH that wants to run the football on more of
a traditional pro style offense that wants to attack vertically
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with UL Lafayette, I like the over in this ball
game as well. I mean, what do you see in
terms of breaking down this matchup? You know, it's funny
Joe you mentioned the over. I'm on the opposite side
of that. By the way, I think this game is
an under you mentioned to in as a ball control type,
running type team. I watched them against Memphis. I was
very impressed with their game against Memphis. They ran all
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over them. You had score was forty to twenty four,
which ended would be in over in the case today
because the total sixty one and a half. Weather's gonna
play a factor in this game too. By the way,
chance of rain. I think you're gonna see rain in
this in this game Louisiana Lafia it also does like
to run the ball as well. Yes, they are more
of a pro style offense, but they run the ball
more than they throw the ball as well. I'm leaning
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towards the under in this game, by the way. And uh,
as far as the sideway, I happened to lean towards
the dog in this game just because it's it's again
a state rivalry type matchup. The games played in Orlando,
but these two teams know each other and Louisiana Lafia.
It's actually covered the last five times these two teams
matched up against each other. So I have it slightly
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towards the dog, but I really do like the under
in this game, So I'm against you, Joe on this one.
One of one of the great aspects of the Bowls
for me. I mean I I love to kind of
get into coaching matchups because you know, when you're a
small school and you're a small school coach, these are
high profile opportunities to make statements. So North Texas Utah
State Matt Wells has already used his season with the
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Aggies to get that job at Power five conference Texas
Tech in the Big Twelve. But Seth Latrelle underrated at
North Texas, some people thought maybe a candidate for Kansas State,
maybe a candidate for another Power five school. For Seth
Latrelle in North Texas a huge opportunity to potentially upset
a Mountain West team and for him to enhance his
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resume as well, you got you got it rich and uh.
It also shows the program that. You know, he's sticking
with North Texas. Like you said, he had a shot
to go to Kansas State, so the kids are obviously
gonna play pretty strong hard for him. You would have
to think on the flip side, Utah State, Wow, what
an incredible season they had going there. They lost their
first game in Michigan State, they very well could have
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won that game, and they lost their last game against
Boise State. But in between they want every single game. Yes,
the coach did leave to go to Texas Tech. This
is one of the most intriguing matchups of the day.
You know, North Texas believe it or not, out gained
every one of their opponents that they played this year.
That's pretty much unheard of. It's never been pretty much done.
I mean it has been done, but it's been quite
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some times since that's been done. Uh, this should be
a hell of a game. The line actually dropped four
points because the coach did take the job at Texas Tech.
I really I'm I'm really impressed with Jordan's love and
I'm also impressed with Mason. Fine. This is the game.
I like the over and by the way, I think
there's gonna be a lot of points scored in this game.
The total sixty eight. I wouldn't be surprised if there's
eighty or ninety points in this game. It's funny you
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say that, Jamie too, because North Texas were were under
machine this year and then I think their last two games.
Maybe I remember I jumped into Dame of eight dollars
short of course the game went over the number when
I won, and once against Florida, Uh Florida Atlantic at
the Atlantic. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, though, jam
I feel like there's gonna be some points in this
football game as well, and not chose today lose their coach,
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but their offensive Cordiner and their defensive Hell, I think
the water Boys split like like who's who's like preparing
this team like that? You know that's that's my issue here.
I like the me and Green. I already have a ticket.
In fact, you know what, we'll bust it outice and
I didn't believe it was in front of me right here.
I got some paper tickets from the from the sports
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book here already played this a couple of days ago,
and I got in onto mean Green plus seven and
a half. I got it here. I didn't they can
win this game out right, and I look forward to
your What do you think, Jamie about these games in
the sense that and Rich and Joe, there's not really
a ton of Bowl classics where we're like, oh my god, man,
it went to overtime and it was like, oh, they
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went for two for the win. It's a lot of
look at UFC fight, you know you're either right or
you're wrong. Man, one guy's getting beat up maybe, And
I almost feel like, well, from a betting perspective, yeah,
you take the points, but you'll almost look at the
money lines, Jamie, because you know North Duchas either wins
this game or gets blown out. I almost feel I
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almost feel like this way with a lot of these
underdogs in these games. What's your take on the money
lines in these parts? Uh? You know something gave you
made up a great you, you brought up a great point,
and it's true if you're looking to take dogs today,
you might as well just flat out take take it
on the money line because you said it. So when
you when you have these type Bowl games, you're right.
These are classic Bowl matchups and a lot of times
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one team absolutely shows up the other team just doesn't.
You just have to hope that if you are taking
the dog and you are taking the money line, that
you're getting that team that is the one that's showing
up as far as a favorite today. And like you
just said, UTAs State, who's gonna be coaching. You know,
they lost their offensive coordinator, they lost a defensive coordinator.
You know they're getting back a coach that coached then
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back but three or four years ago. He went to Wisconsin,
then he went to Oregon State and pretty much destroyed
their their program for for the last four or five
years whatever. But you know you're you're talking, you're talking
about a situation where the mean green. Like you guys
mentioned Latrelle's coming back. He could have taken the Kansas
State job possibly or another job. He's sticking with North Texas.
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So you'd have to think that this team is gonna
play hard. So if you, like you said game, if
you're gonna take North Texas today, you might as well
just take them on the money line. Or if you
take them, you can take both. You can take them
with the spread getting the sevens. If you get got
take down to seven. I'm not just saying just going
Toxas Jay, but all overall, like exam example and Lafayette
against Tulane, you're taking a three and a half. Yeah, okay,
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let's take the money line as well. Though I don't know,
maybe he's put your bets into which guys will do
because I listen, there's gonna be a few games and
watch every game. We have one point game today. But
generally you look back at Bowl scores and I did this.
We did this on a radio show at Camp Story.
We went through the Bowl games last year. It was
about seventy seventy of the games are double digit games,
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and a lot of them were underdogs winning out right.
So it was the case where all the favorites killed
it all the time. But as I stated, the Sword
of Wow, it came down to a field goal. There
were few and far between. And you know when they
were all the close games for January one big tenn
SEC day, the out Bowl Day, the Sextuary, all that
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type stuff, you know, l s U versus Penn States
and tennis, you know what I mean, those games where
the closet ones. You look at all these other Bowl
games and it's often times, like I said, I'll compert
to m M A, I bet on m m A, guys,
you know what in ten seconds all God, I'm on
the wrong side here, you know what I mean, you
know right away, and you you'll know, you're gonna know,
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you're gonna know halfway through that you're gonna know halfway
through the first quarter in these games, whether you're on
the right side or not killed the round over them. Yeah,
I think if I recall the first the first ten
or twelve games last year were absolute annihilation when they
took a while before we got to a competitive The
one competitive game was Texas Tech U sef that one
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Quentin Flowers scored it at the last point. But uh,
And I wanted to ask Jamie, Jamie, how important is
it Bowl history? Because sometimes you look like the Las
Vegas Bowl and I'm with you, we're gonna break that
getting down later in terms of Arizona State being alive dog.
But you look at the Mountain West team for the
last two years is one San Diego State and last
year where Boise State over Oregon. How important is Bowl
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history in the in breaking down some of these matchups,
it is important in a lot of ways, and then
in some ways it really isn't that important. I mean,
when you look at an Arizona States, it's on Devil team.
You're looking at a team obviously that's their coached by
a first year of coach and Herm Edwards. So I
could you could throw out a lot of those stats
that the Mountain West has beat the Pack twelve or
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whatever in these games, and yes they have, obviously and
friendsno state by all means very impressive, don't get me wrong,
but they're all they're They're two games against the Power
five conferences. They lost to a very average Minnesota game,
and yes they did blow out u c l A.
But that's when u c l A was complete shambles.
They had quarterback problems and that was when Chip Kelly
was getting his feet wet or whatever. So be aware
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of this game. I'm on the Sun Devils in this game.
I really think that the Sun Devils are not only
could cover. Like with Gabe, I would take him on
the money line. I take a shot with them to
win the game out right, even though they are missing Harry,
this is still Wilkins, uh, their their quarterbacks lat Manny
Wilkins last game, you know, I give them a serious
shot to win this game as Joey's great information and
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Clemson battle briefly, and I think when you look at
this matchup, a lot of pressure on the ian book.
But in order to win this ballgame. In both of
these matchups, underdogs Oklahoma and Notre Dame I really feel
that they both have to dictate the tempo and score first,
especially on Alaba, but more importantly on Clemson as well,
because the groove that Trevor Lawrence in that offense is
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in over the last few weeks, I mean unprecedented, and
now with four weeks of preparation, they're gonna need to
establish the run early, score first, slow, shorten the game,
and slowed down the tempo. Can they do that remains
to be seen, But that's the only way I think
Notre Dame can win. You have to run the ball
against Clemson. The problem is nobody's running the ball against Clemson.
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Means yeah, under a Hunter right nineties something something like that,
but that that defensive front against a good Notre Dame line,
but a young Notre Dame line that really is going
to miss Alex Bars in this type of a game.
You know, Clemson, to their credit, Alabama's credit, you know
they're motivated all season, but those kinds of programs they
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get ready for these types of games. I mean, Christian
Wilkins came back, Austin Bryant came back, Cleveland Farrell came
back for this type of a setting. And then I
also look at the quarterbacks. You know, Alabama's got the
Maxwell Award winner, Oklahoma has the Heisman winner. Clemson has
a freshman All American and a surefire future first round
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draft choice. I like what Ian Book has done to
this offense. He's not in the class of those other quarterbacks.
I think Notre Dame competes in the first half and
then fades away in the second half against Clemson. Yeah,
but if you look at both of these underdogs, if
you want to pick a money liner in terms of
just winning, which one would you throw your money on?
I mean, for me, I would I would lean then
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Ore Dame. But I mean you can't rule out the
Heisman trope. If he winner in Kyler Murray, I mean,
if he gets hot and puts pressure on that Alabama
defense early, just the way Georgia did, he has a shot.
I mean, wouldn't you agree with that? Looks like we
lost gape Up. He was signing. He's doing sign language.
(40:52):
That's why nobody can hear him. He's basically saying that
Oklahoma has no shot. Yeah. Yeah, if you like the
over in that, you like the over, But do you
like which underdog would you throw money on? In terms
of a money like play. Um, I would Oklahoma Oklahoma.
I don't think Notre Dame is gonna be clemsond and
I I listen, Alabama is a class of all these
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four teams. But at the same point in time, you know,
you look at the way Oklahoma plays, You're gonna need
to score, right, You're getting an a track meet with
these guys. We talked about it. Who's gonna get a
couple of stops along the way? Kyler Murray and Oklahoma
will scored anybody. They're gonna score in Alabama, you know
they're gonna put They're gonna put up thirty five, forty points.
I think the question is how much is Alabama scoring him?
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So I think there's always a chance. When you can
score like that, you know you've got it. You've got
a chance. Oklahoma has a shot. Are they really doing
this football game? To me? Notre Dame doesn't. You guys
called it. You know Clemsonna just suffocating and you know
it's like a black hole, It's just so Bermuda triangle.
You go into that. You know, Orange brew win a
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triangle if you just sort of get suffocated. And I
think Clemson are better football team that people realize that
Clemson aren't intimidated by knowing by by Alabama either. Kelly
has done a nice job over the years, but I
you know that Alabama game, and Rich you talked about it.
You can get you here, but I don't know if
they could take that next step right now. I think
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Clemson is just gonna be too much for Notre Dame.
And I'm not ready to lay fourteen with Bama here.
I'm looking at the over in that game. As you mentioned, Joe,
I think there's gonna be points. I think Oklahoma can
trade points with Bama. I think bam will come up
with more stops. But if I if you you're asking
me which team has a better chance. If I'm rolling
the dice, someone says, hey, you've got one money line pick.
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Here's a three hundred bucks to put down on it,
I'll take Oklahoma over Notre Dame. Yeah. I would take
Notre Dame strictly for the sense of Trevor Lawrence being
a freshman, and I think with the pressure in that
type of atmosphere, even though we stepped up up until
this point, we don't know what to expect. Should Notre
Dame score first, and put the pressure. So that's why
I would lean to Notre Dame. And also the defensive
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talent that they have. I mean that that's a real artillery.
Julian Love to von Kony, they have a real legitimate
top ten defense. I respectfully disagree with Gabe. I I
think Oklahoma's in for to me, I think the game
is gonna look an awful lot like Ohio State Michigan,
I really do. I think I think Alabama if if
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Oklahoma trade scores for a while, I think Alabama is
getting into the fifties. Possibly one of those sixty two
thirty nine type games with Michigan, uh and and UH
Ohio State. I don't think they have any prayer of
stopping the Alabama. It should be interesting, and I guess
that's the matchup that you want to see transpire in
these semifinal games. Which team could establish their style of
play early on? And I think for Notre Dame too,
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those wide receivers, the height of Mac at the tight
end and use utilizing him on Miles Boykin and you
realizing them on nickel backs or linebackers that aren't as
fast or more importantly as tall, could create jump all
opportunities for booking that offense. If Gabe is right about Oklahoma,
Let's let's say, and I said it last week. I
mean Kyler Murer a decade ago, and with the way
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this led Texas over USC if that happens, if Gabe
is correct, and this is one of those games, we're like, Wow,
Murray is just underworldly. I wonder if he starts to
think if he beats Alabama's defense, he seems passionate about football.
I wonder if he considers maybe a career in the NFL.
I think he does. I mean from what I'm hearing now,
and in terms of the rumblings, I think he sticks
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sticks to football. Look at Russell Wilson and the hell
of a football player. Yeah, you know what, there's that
Grummers Marshall Falk called it actually a couple of weeks ago,
and on a Sunday show we brought it up and
he said, Murray will be a football player. He goes
he ain't playing baseball, and we're like, really, he's already drafted.
He goes he won't play baseball, and you know it's
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funny because before the years started, though, what was Kyler
Murray draft stock right, Oh, he's too small. It's to this.
He's do that. You know what it is, guys or
something about it. That's why we're we're doing this right
now that ten in the morning on a Saturday morning.
You can make money playing baseball. You can do this,
you can do that. Football is just funner, you know
what I mean? Like it's guys get sucked into it.
If he can make big money playing football, I don't know, though.
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I mean a lot of guys have won the Heisman
and having the good NFL quarterbacks. Right. If I was Kyler,
I tell him chill out on this football thing. I
think it's more media and I just respect your guy's
opinion what you think him going on. But I don't
know is he how much better is he than Vernon Adams?
You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, he's a
good college quarterback in a great system in Oklahoma. I
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don't know if he's taken over the National Football League.
If I'm advising him me personally, I'd say, a kid,
don't keep your baseball hat on here, have fun doing this.
Your football careers aren't nearly over. You know, guaranteed contracts,
But I don't know how good at a baseball player
he is. I mean, obviously he's good. He's a ninth
overall pick. But where's a good draft in the NFL
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right now? Don't get caught up in the ESPN hype
and the media hype, but talk, you know, like Chasays
or whatever. Think about your future here and you know
you're the ninth overall picking baseball. You know? Is he
a third or fourth round pick? That's what I thought
before people said before he was a fourth or fifth
round pick. Is he suddenly a first round pick because
of the media hype? If I don't know what you're takers, Joe,
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But if I'm him, I'm playing baseball. Still. Yeah, that's
a great point. I think another factor in terms of
his draft stock is the progression of Lamar Jackson, because
that was the knock on Lamar Jackson and Louisville better
runner than he was a passer now named the starter
for Baltimore heading into this week's matchup. So if Kyler
Murray knocks off Alabama and let's say does it with
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dynamic numbers, he could possibly possibly be I mean, the
first quarterback take and it's not a huge deep draft. Now,
granted we think there are other quarterbacks better in terms
of pocket presence, but you never know in terms of
pure athletes that could that could propel him to a
top five overall pick. Yeah, my my recommendation would be
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to stick with baseball. I think it's a safer bed.
But who's to say that. You know, after a couple
of years in the minor leagues he realizes a can't
hit a curveball. Be the concept of standing out in
center field when he's he's an electrifying talent and you know,
every so often you're gonna get an opportunity to track
down a ball in the gap. You know that looks
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like yeah, or how exactly yeah, it's night and day.
I mean, this kid looks like his you know, his
essence is being on a football field, running through opposing defenses.
That looks like it just completely energizes him. That kind
of an athlete standing out in center field. I don't know.
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I mean, I wonder, after maybe two years in Modesto,
you know, in double A in Modesto, if he realizes,
maybe I'll get football. I would not be surprised at
some point in his twenties, at some point unless he's
the second coming of Ricky Henderson out there for the
AI's that this kid says, I gotta try, I gotta
scratch that itch. Well. I think the one thing too
is look at two quarterbacks that did go and play baseball,
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Brandon we needn't and Drew Henson in terms of being
did that. They didn't have the type of success, the
consistent success at the NFL level that they showed rust.
And I think that's a concern as well. If you're
gonna do it, you have to worry about if I
come back and by the same type of player in
terms of timing quarterback to wide receive a relationship that
could play it part into into that factor as well.
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I can't I can't disagree with that. And it's funny
because a Michigan fan, I think and Drew Henson as well.
And what was crazy about Drew Henson. Guys, he was
gonna be the number one pick in the NFL draft.
People like either number one quarterback, you're gonna be probably
the number one pick, number two pick in the NFL draft.
He's like, he took five million dollars co play baseball.
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He was never the same quarterback after. It's amazing. I
Tom Brady's father on last year before the Super Bowl,
and I brought up I'm a Michigan fan, and I said,
I remember Tom tom Brady senior, So I remember Tom
that Michigan fans. You know. Tom Brady won the m
v P Horangeball they beat Alabama and was like, all right,
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see it, buddy, thanks thanks for coming. Let's go Drew Henson.
People were like salivating the seed Drew Henson play. And
then he throws that curveball because Steinbrenner throws a five
mill and as you said, Rich, he couldn't hit a curveball.
Tom Brady loved the fact that Drew Henson, you know,
went to the Yankees in that matchup. I mean, look
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at his career now at the NFL, so we'll see.
You know what's funny, you, Joe. There's a YouTube video
and I think it's got like half a million hits
or something like that, and it's basically like Tom Brady
about Tom Brady. And they used the interview in the
video on YouTube actually of me and the father, and
they showed Tom Brady's father still to this day. This
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is how competitive these guys are. I said to him,
and I said, Tom you know, I always got the
feeling that Tom Brady would end up as a San
Francisco forty nine or at that point of his career,
you know, as he's gonna end his career if New
England let him go. He goes, No, he won't. I said,
why not because he goes data and draft us. And
I asked him, I said, you know, you grew up
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a San Francisco forty Niner fan. You guys took Tommy games.
He goes, I'm not a season ticket holder anymore. The
data and draft my kid, I stopped being a forty
Niner backer hardcore. And I asked about Drew Henson. You
know what, the father said, where's Drew right now? Yeah?
That's how competitive they remember that. That's all competitive they are. Yeah,
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they are. And that's a concern if you're Kyler Murray. Now,
granted again you worry about his body frem at the
next level. To me, he needs to add about ten
to fifteen pounds of muscle doing it at the collegiate level.
But once you go to NFL defenses in front, seven's
that constant pounding, whether you're running or or in the pocket.
That's gonna take a toll on his body as well.
He's a he's a thick kid. He's thick and muscular.
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He's not whiskey at all. He's just short, quite frankly,
and he's short, but he's stocky and and I think
it was Marshall that said at last weekend. I think
it was Marshall where he doesn't take a lot of
hits exactly, he doesn't take a lot of hits. It's
not just the speed, but it's his elusiveness. He doesn't
take a lot of direct contact contact. So you know,
whereas a statuesque type of a quarterback maybe gets whacked
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around a lot. You know, a DeAndre Francois at Florida
State took a lot of hits. Doesn't have the mobility
Kyler Murray, I mean watching him this year, did not
absorb a lot of contact. Whether that would translate to
the NFL, who knows, Yeah, we'll see it. It should
being treated again. I think he wants to start fast,
he wants to get into a rhythm and that and
that's the way they started against Georgia last year. I
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mean they really took it to and that sec defense.
Now for this offense to really progress, in this matchup
for them, they're gonna have to run the football with
Kennedy Brooks and Trey Sermon to keep too and that
offense on the sidelines because it will preserve their front
seven in that matchup. We haven't even talked about the
fact that Hollywood Brown may not playing this game. I mean,
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so Oklahoma's best wide receiver, the most explosive talent, the
kid who can stretch an opposing defense. So a Kennedy
Brooks and a Trace Sermon have more running room. I
don't know if he's gonna play. So a lot's gonna
fall on Ceedee Lamb, Grant Calcatara. They're they're talented tight end.
I mean, they have weapons. They can score Alabama with
a month to prepare, largely for one player. Well, I'll
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tell you that's gonna be tough. Yeah game. In terms
of the matchup with Notre Damon Clemson, I mean I
looked to the under in that ball game because for me,
the only way that Notre Dame can win is if
they really do slow down tempo much the way they
did a few years ago when they lost that match
up in Depth Valley by about two points. I hate
betting you know, in today's day and age, it's hard
(52:42):
to bet unders that, especially at all fifty five. I
hear what you're saying, though, I think Notre Dame. He's
gonna have a hard time moving to football on these guys.
But I know we're going to a break in a second.
I gotta be honest with you. I'm heartbroken right now.
I thought the game started at news. What you're gonna
do for those two hours? I'm all excited. I'm like
(53:03):
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we're an hour for kickoff. Man, let's go Lafayette. Let's
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All our works College Football Today. All the bowl season
(00:50):
kicks off today. Five great bowl games on Top ten
next Friday, December one. Welcome to College Football Today, brought
to you by A D s I, jo Le, Sie,
Ritz Sermonello and Game Lorenzi. Gonna take you through all
of today's top action, give you our best bets. We'll
talk about the College Football Playoff and all the bowl
(01:11):
games on tap. Rich. Doesn't get better than this. The
lower tier bowls. This is where we see solid matchups
and might get the best action of the bowl season. Yeah.
One of the concerns that we have in the bowl season, Joe,
is motivation not today. Well, once you get to these
uh second tier bowl games that they're highly competitive. These teams,
the North Texas is they don't get a major stage,
(01:33):
they don't get an opportunity to play in front of
a national audience. Uh. The one of the only games
that's on all Saturday. So North Texas, Middle Tennessee, Appalachian State,
Fresno Stay. These are the types of schools Georgia, Southern
Eastern Michigan that will see today. And that's very exciting
for those teams. And I think it's great for those
of us who love the Bowl season because this will
(01:55):
be passionate, competitive, energetic football. Yeah. Great landscapes that you
don't see each and every Saturday. Some teams in the
Mountain West the UNLV that stadium there for the Las
Vegas bell great landscapes and the forty ball games culminating
up until the National Championship game on January seven, provides
an opportunity not only to watch, but to gamble on
(02:17):
these games and more action and and that's where you
see the line movement and you see some of the
Vegas angle coming to play in some of these ball games.
And we spoke about it before in terms of you're
stepping out Nickel Hiirey for Arizona State will now play
Darryl Henderson for Memphis out for that ball game as well.
That has a big factor and impact and not only
(02:40):
on the outcome but on the Vegas angle. Yeah, it
really does. And and you know what I I've I've
said for years, you know, Bowl season is it's part
this season. It's a lot of next season. So when
a Darryl Henderson steps out and and leaves for the
NFL Draft, it needs more reps for Patrick Taylor. You know.
So if Nikiel Harry and he's not gonna play again
Fresno State today, but Kyle Williams and those other Arizona
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State receivers they get more reps, they get more of
an opportunity to shine. Will Greer is not gonna play
later this bowl season for West Virginia. Now we get
a chance to see Jack Allison, the Miami transfer quarterback.
So yeah, on one level, it kind of sucks we
want to see the stars play. But on the other level,
it's a chance to do some advanced scouting for two
(03:23):
thousand and nineteen and when you're looking not just the players,
but the coaches as well. That's a factor of Scott
sadderfield now for Apps Stay and Matt Wells Now the
new head coach for Texas Tech, will not be on
the sidelines as they take on the mean Green Gabe,
how does that impact the lines from the Vegas angle
in terms of perspective, in terms of handicapping these outcomes. Well,
(03:45):
I'll tell you what, guys. One thing you can do
you can't. You can't say you can blindly bet any
trend or you just do this or do that. You
bet every your dog, you bet every favor when it
comes to ball games. But I'll tell you, over the years,
into and coaches struggle, and you know, it's hard for
the kids to buy in and run through a wall
(04:06):
for for a school, for a program, for a team,
when when the coaches leads, and it's just it just
is subconsciously, I don't I don't know, you figure all
right something once in a while the kids will play
for each other. But I'll tell you all, you know,
I agree with you guys were saying as far as
these early Bowl games, because let's be real, I mean,
(04:26):
you know, the Bowl games. I love it. I'm as
fired up as could beat today. I'm really excited for
some college football I'm more fired up this week and
I happened in a while for some college football. I'm
excited for these games, but the big time bowl games,
these kids don't care, all right. They care more about
the National Football League. They care more about the draft.
And we're seeing this more and more now. I mean
(04:46):
now we got quarterbacks not playing in the bowl games.
So it's almost like the kids finally caught up to
the coach and he said, all right, the coaches don't care.
So you know what, I don't care either. I gotta
think about myself. But I like go out, Rip stated,
I love this is for a Saturday of Bowl action.
Kids on North Texas, there's probably one are two kids, right,
they're gonna make it to the National Football League. Maybe
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this is the National Football League for them today? Is
they care about these ball games? I'm telling you what
the kid on Michigan. You think the kid on Michigan's
losing sleep because it doesn't beat the Florida Gators. Nope,
he's getting ready for the Combine. Come on, Nope, Right,
kid on North Texas, it means everything to that. It
means everything in the Middle Tennessee State today, these kids,
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this is the biggest game that are gonna play in
our lives some of these kids. And that's why I
love these early ball games. And we spoke about it
before in terms of if you're gonna handicap these matchups,
you want to take teams that are motivated, teams like
wake Forest, teams that are five hundreds that want to
go out with the winning record to end their two
thousand and eighteen campaign. So I think that's that's a
(05:49):
fact that when you break these games down from the
handicapping perspective. The other thing, and we spoke about it
off camera, was when you see a player like Will
Greer step out and not playing the ball game against Syracuse,
I said it that this could possibly lead to the
expansion of the of the college football playoff because if
we do expand it to say sixteen overall teams, and
(06:10):
now West Virginia has a Week one matchup in the
playoffs against Alabama, there's no way Will Greer has taken
off in terms of preparing for the NFL Draft. Yeah,
that's all that could be the falloff for sure. Right game.
You know, you guys are right here. It's a good point.
Y'll actually until it affects the television numbers right until
(06:30):
it catches up where people stop watching these games. Yeah,
I think we're such a niche market that. Honestly, you know,
I've always talked to this. It's like football, Roger Goodell
can knock on your door, punch you in the face.
You're still gonna watch the games in three house. And
you know it's funny guys with the steroid used and
in cycling and and you know, the Tour of France
(06:51):
and all that type stuff, they actually care, you know
what I mean. It's not like, oh, in baseball, the
media against Matt and you know what happened. The television
networks told the Tour de France and the powers that be,
we're not airing this. We're not in Germany. They said,
we're not gonna to toward to France anymore because it's
too corrupt. You guys need to clean your sport up.
We don't want to air this anymore. That would never happen.
(07:14):
That would never happen in America obviously because of the
monetary game. But it's a good point of your ratio
until ESPN takes a hit in these Bowl games with
their television numbers. You know, these players will continue to
do that, or at least, you know, the system will
say stay the way that it is, because let's be real,
these Bowls are all made for TV, right I mean,
(07:34):
esp At Holmes thirty four out of the thirty eight
Bowls or whatever the hell it is right now, it's
just TV. At the same thing too, they try to
do the kids a disservice. Sometimes the stadiums will be
half empty. They don't care. Once again, and for television
there'll be millions of people watching and betting on these games.
They don't really care if there's six people in the stands.
I think it does the kids some disservice sometimes, And
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and Gabe brings up a great point because we've seen
half empty stadiums for the past decade, and we're gonna
see it again today, We'll see it over the next
couple of weeks. There's too many damn Bowl games. That's
the problem. And I think the kids have picked up
on that as well. Game That's what really pisces me
off is they've diluted the product so badly. Back in
the day. I'm not saying we go back to fifteen,
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but back in the day, it was a true reward
to go to a bowl. If you had fifteen, sixteen
bowl games, maybe twenty bowl games, you were like, damn,
we're one of the top teams. I want to go.
But when there's thirty nine, you want have six and
six teams. The kids have picked up on the fact
that this is largely a product designed for ESPN for
(08:38):
you know, uh, holiday in, for local hotels, for restaurants.
It's all economically based. And to the credit of the kids,
they have now realized that wait a second, hear everybody's benefiting.
Coaches are leaving, the hotels are benefiting, the bowls are benefiting.
We have Bowl committee chairman's that are making six and
seven digits at the top of these bowls, and I
gotta go play one more game. And one point I
(09:00):
want to bring up to It's no longer just about injuries.
Let's not forget. This is the generation that has gotten
a head start on everything. This is the generation that
now as true freshmen, are leaving high school early in
order to participate in spring football. These kids are not
just afraid of being injured, Gabe, they also want to
head start on the NFL draft. They're like, hey, listen,
(09:21):
if my competition is gonna be working out with a
trainer down in Arizona that long before the NFL combmine,
damn it. I want that opportunity to So this is
gonna be a problem that does not go away. That's
a great point. You look at Josh Allen the Buffalo Bills,
not a big time quarterback. You're right, kids on Alabama
right now? How many kids are that? It's a great point.
You race right, and as we love the Bulls were
(09:43):
just being real. No, how many kids on Alabama thinking man, yeah,
this is cool. I'm in the final four. But man,
got dB from Kyle and right now is what do
coach that I want to be with? He's at that
camp that I want to be at right now, he's
gating on me. It's a great point. And also when
we talked about the kids as well, it's like you said,
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it used to be a man I remember like growing
up was like, man, Michigan better winning this Bowl game?
Now it's like whatever, you know what I mean, It's
it's it is what it is. But if you're a
student and you're a fan, are you suppunge Christmas time?
It's the alldis Are you supposed to travel and spend
money and sitt in a half empty stadium and not
have that atmosphere. You know, I love this stuff. You
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know what, I will just get this party started by saying,
bring back the blue Gray game on Christmas, East West
Shrine game, the Astro Blue Bonna ball, that Ghost Bowl
games great as a kid growing up, I mean the
All Star games. Tanswerin ball. Yeah, it all goes to listen,
all of this goes back to Joe's astute point, which
(10:48):
is change could be in the air, because if the
bowl season gets a little weaker and a little weaker
and and it does impact TV ratings, it might be
incumbent upon the n c a A and the committee
to say we need more meaningful football in December January?
What could You're right? If what's Virginia has in the
playoff right now? At the top, Hey, they're like, well
(11:09):
you can't go Yeah, He's like, I can win a
national championship instead, Hey, I gotta figure about myself everybody
else exactly exactly. And it goes back to the point
of if you're in that playoff type of atmosphere, explain
that to an NFL GM or a scout saying you
backed out of a playoff type of atmosphere with a
chance to win a national championship, to think about yourself,
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how can you lead our program or are our franchise
on the next level. So that's what I was, not
my Eve guy a couple of years ago. I don't know, guys,
skips the ball game. If I'm ANNFL team, I have
to wonder about his character. Yeah, so we'll see. It's
it's a intropable. It is not now, guys, it's very intriguing.
(11:52):
I mean we have, we were you are right now
two weeks away from the college football playoff matchups Alabama
and Oklahoma and then Clemson and Notre Dame. I mean
dynamic ball games across the board. I think wanted to
break these games down, though, Rich one intriguing factor for me.
And when I look at all of these Alabama, Clemson,
Notre Dame on the road or on a neutral field site,
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eighteen and no, I mean that's a dynamic number. Oklahoma
as well as played well on the road, they are
only lost did come to Texas in the Red River rivalry.
But when I break these games down in terms of
margin of victory, Alabama won their six games by thirty
three point one points per game. You look at Dabo
Sweeney and Clemson thirty eight point one points per game,
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Notre Dame twenty and a half points per game, and
oh you eleven and a half points per game. Now,
that's the one atmosphere or factor that I think when
you break down Oklahoma, can they step up against that
rock salad offense and defensive line in Alabama? I don't
believe so. In in fact, I would instruct since a
lot of what we talk about is lines and gambling,
(12:57):
and that's what makes the games infinitely more interesting, regardless
of the matchup or the location or the size of
the audience. If you got money on it, it matters.
I would recommend to to our audience, go put money
on Alabama now, because that line is gonna skyrocket prior
to December twenty nine. I I if you can get
fourteen fourteen and a half now, go bet Alabama now
(13:19):
because I think they're gonna absolutely obliterate Oklahoma. Nick Saban
has almost a full month to prepare for one great player,
but one player in Kyler Murray, and that defensive Oklahoma
has absolutely no shot. I don't care if it's to
if it's Jalen Hurts. When you look at the talent
that they have at wide receiver, those young receivers that
have developed so well throughout the season, and the running
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We don't have a top of the running backs at
Albama anymore. We don't who has a better trio of
running backs than Josh Jacobs, not j Harris and Damian Harris.
So I think Alabama CoA name their number and and Gabe,
this is for you, by the way, how about first
half Alabama against Oklahoma? I mean, how much of a
lock is that gonna be? You know what's interesting? Actually
we talked about that year, what it got up to
tenant Oh, I believe until UH Cup game we were
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all sittingdil was the first team to cover in first
half fallI palace up here. That makes sense, and it
Auburn did as well. Actually after and Georgia did. We've
seen the trick actually have a cover three straight game.
I agree with you guys are talking about in the
sense it's funny you look at the line it's got up.
There was twelve and a half's out there and up
to an even fourteen right now. What's amazing to me,
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is the total eighty and a half right now for
that game. I like the over him Taylor Texas Tech Show.
You know what I'm saying, Like, wow, eighty and a half.
You don't remember what Derrick Henry did to the Jags,
uh week and a half, going in the farm people
and pushing people over. I've seen the same thing. I
think if you're Nick Saban, who's very Bill Belichick like
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it was, he'll he'll mix it up. If you can't
stop the pass, he'll throw the ball twenty eight times,
you can't stop the run, He'll run the ball sixty
two times. I think they're gonna look at Oklahoma and say, listen,
we're gonna keep Kyler Murray on the on the sideline
and let's just run the ball down their throat. They
won't be able to stop it. I think it's gonna
be the physicality that will be the difference. Oklahoma is
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gonna score in this football game. But to me, the
difference is who's gonna get a couple of stops. I
hate to use the analogy of arena football, but I
know what upsets Marshall Fox when I tell him, and
it's arena league stuff. Now, but that's what it is.
You get a couple of stops and you win football games.
It's almost like you know, all right, the other team
you're gonna score five or six times. You know, there's
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no you know, there's no much, no, no such thing
as all we get a four touchdowns. You have about defense, now,
you don't judge it by that. You judge it by
how many stops you can come up with. And Alabama's
gonna come up. They're gonna mix in four or five
stops along the game. And I don't see Oklahoma mixing
in too many stops. Yeah, that's a great point I
agree with. And I think when you look at the
other matchup of Clemson, I said they won their six
(15:51):
games on the road by thirty eight point one. It
was thirty one point eight points per game. But I
look at the two games that they struggled against Texas
A and M in Syracuse, where both teams were uh
in in a spot to knock off Clemson. In those
ball games, Texas A and M passed for four during
thirty yards on that defense in Syracuse, and Eric Dungee
passed for two fifties. So Notre damon Ian book are
(16:14):
gonna have to attack Clemson over the top of that defense.
It's a different time of the year too. I mean,
I think Clemson is a very different team than it
was a month or two ago. They have evolved kind
of like we would expect under Dabo Sweeney. If you
were gonna get Clemson, you had to do what Syracuse did.
I mean, you knocked out Trevor Lawrence. It was earlier
in the year. But as I've watched Clemson, the young
(16:35):
quarterback Trevor Lawrence, the ability to run the ball with
Travis e t n a back seven of the defense,
they keep getting better and better and better. I don't
know if end has enough. Yeah, we'll pick it up
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the start to the eighteen Bowls season. Welcome back to
college football today, brought to you by bet d s I, Joelsie, Ritzermonello,
and Game Marenzi. We're joined right now by vice president
of Sports Brokers, Jamie Heath. He's been giving us his
picks and selections all season long. He's been rock solid,
(18:27):
dead on the money. Jamie. How are you today? I'm great, Joe.
How are you guys doing today? Oh? This is what
it's all about, Jamie. Bowl season five great games today,
ten through next Friday, provides fans the opportunity to bet
and win some money. I mean, how do you see
today's actions shaping up? Well? Got like you just said,
(18:47):
We've got five great ball games to start the card out. Today,
we're looking at a couple of conferences that are actually
in play today. The Sun Belt's got three teams playing today,
So we're gonna find out how these conferences fair against
the other conferences starting today, and we'll be able to
gauge probably throughout the bull season. Uh, as far as betting,
(19:08):
as far as covering spreads, as well as just teams winning.
We're gonna find out today. I mean, last year there
were certain conferences that were excellent and they were actually
obviously certain conferences that were really bad and packed. Weelve
was definitely one of them last year. So we're gonna
see how these conferences fair today. We're gonna start seeing that. Jamie,
give me your general mindset in terms of Bowl season. Uh,
(19:30):
you know, it's always a moving target. We now have
players that are singing out games and to kill Harry
Arizona State being a prime example for this Saturday. Joe
talked about it in the first segment. You have coaches
that are leaving, not just head coaches, but coordinators leaving positions.
What's your general take on Bowl season? How you approach
it from a gambling angle? You know, every every year Rich.
(19:52):
It's It's funny you say that because a lot of
every year the coaches, a lot of coaches obviously accept
better jobs, more pro thick, prestigious jobs. In the case obviously,
today you got the coach from Appalachian State, he's leaving
to go fix Uh, Bobby Patricios mess in Louisville. You've
got the coach Utah State, he's leaving the go coach
Texas Tech. Uh. Which I didn't really agree with Cliff
(20:15):
Cliff Kingsbury getting fired. I didn't like that. I thought
he deserved to stay. But uh, you know, it's funny
you mentioned that nowadays. We talked about it last week,
we said certain players are gonna sit out bowls. And
sure enough, literally ten minutes after I got off with
you guys, Will Greer decides he's not playing in the
line moves seven points. So as a betting perspective, you
really got to look at these things and take these
(20:36):
things into consideration. More so obviously with the players. But
this Fresno State Arizona State game. Yes, the receiver Harry
is out. He's obviously the cleric for the pros. He
signed up with an agency. He's out today. But uh,
this game, you know the line six and Fresno State. Yeah,
they were impressive. Ted Firs are great coach. But again
this is uh Herm Edwards first Bowl game. I really
(20:58):
love the job they did. This team didn't lose the
game by by more than the seven points a matter
of fact, for the losses were exactly by seven bo
points and there are other loss was to Oregon, the
only loss by two. I think this is a good
spot for Arizona State actually getting six points today. This
is one of my plays, Jamie, when you look at
the actual landscape in terms of the Bowl action and
a lot of people play confidence pools where they picked
(21:21):
the games from start to finish, but from the gambling
angule because of what you mentioned players stepping out, isn't
it better to wait for the day or maybe a
day before the Bowl, like not putting a lot of
these gamings into say parlays where if a player moves out,
the line can move anywhere, like you mentioned, seven to
ten points depending upon which player decides not to play.
(21:44):
You're right, You're right, Joe, And obviously when you're dealing
with those confidence pools, you can't you can't do that. Obviously,
you have to put them in before the first ball
game starts. But as for a betting perspective, yes, is
uh better to wait actually for the day of the
game in a lot of cases, unless of actually really
like a team and you can get fortunate. I just
happened to like Syracuse getting the seven and a half.
I I thought they would cover against Wilgrew anyway, because
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West Virginia quite frankly doesn't play any defense. Syracuse was
moving up in the ball pretty much on everybody except
for Notre Dame. And you gotta take into consideration Dane
got hurt in the first core in that game. That
might have might have had to do a lot with
that game as well. So I was fortunate enough to
get that seven and a half in the game. Now,
obviously the lines pretty much a pick him. I like
Syracuse to win that game right now. But Uh, like
(22:28):
you said, Joe, I think it's probably best in all
cases pretty much to wait for the day of the game,
because you never know certain players might decide not to play.
So it's a shame because I really feel it hurts
the balls and and it hurts the program. I mean,
it's a shame that will Greer is not playing in
that game. I really think he should. Yeah, once a
quarterback goes, I mean that changed everything. Uh you know,
(22:48):
we we we saw Christian McCaffrey, Gennaveon Clowney a couple
of years ago. You know, we at Oliver. It stinks.
But when a quarterbacks, a prominent quarterback goes exactly that
could be something that's a harbinger of things to come.
And and it's something that's gonna Really it's a shame.
It's a shame because you know, like you say, Rich,
(23:08):
you know, you're talking about the star player. He is
the absolute star player of that team. He's the you know,
the heart and soul of that club. And he pretty
much is the engine that drives West Virginia. So it's
a shame that he's not playing. And and and it
affects the bullet really does. And we'll think about the
economic impact. But you're right, but you know, we talked
about it earlier off the top, and here a kid,
(23:30):
you know, like we said, you're not just thinking about
yourself in the future. It's that you know, am I
gonna do this essentially for ESPN? Right? I mean what
so what I get it? I get a Nintendo Nintendo
game Boy and and uh and a backpack, right, I mean,
you know, especially Will gree You've got a family. Um,
(23:50):
It's it's true. There's just there's too many bowl games.
It takes some of the shine now. But we say
this now and once you watch the games, you know,
we won't be thinking about Will Greer. Once that football
game starts, you know, we won't be thinking about Will
grid That's what I love about these games. And I'm
you know, I sort of I'm old, old school and
cheesy like that. I love watching as a six win
(24:13):
team get the seven. I love watching kids like and
actually means something to them, and they're gonna be talent people.
In twenty two years, I won the Cure Ball. I
was in the Cure Ball. I want and to tell
the story we talked about earlier, kids on Alabama, kids
on Olkaholma, Kyler Murray. Right now? What's Kyler Murray thinking
about right now? Oh my god? I hope I win
(24:34):
this game against Alabama? Is he like, man, where's there
more money? What am I doing? Am I playing football?
And I played baseball? You know he's talking to agents,
he's talking to his his handlers. Is he thinking about
the game? Yeah, he wants to win the game. When
he's on the field, he's gonna make players, He's gonna
try to win the game. But what's he thinking about
right now? Money? Probably? Yeah, it's a shame because this
(24:59):
this wasn't I'm obviously always money is a factor and everything,
but it wasn't this way years ago. But now it
seems who are sitting on the couch cutting on a game? Right?
These kids are the ones. They're smashing their n easy.
Look at Jake Butt, how to go for him? No,
it didn't. Yeah, but you want to know something. It
could happen on a football field, That could easily happen
on a basketball uh court too. You know it's just
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so I mean a quarterback obviously he goes back to pass,
and sure he could get you could get hurt, you
get killed, and he could you know, his whole career
could be over. But you know that could happen just
about anywhere. I hear what you're saying, and sure you
know it's it's obviously life changing money. It's gonna be
life changing money for Will Greer. But like you guys
were saying earlier, I mean Also, you know, when the
GMS go to draft this guy, what's it say about
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the guy's character when he doesn't want to play in
the final game of his career. I don't. I mean
that's you know, it's another thing to think about, Jamie.
We know you have a great package on tap, not
just college football but college basketball. Why don't you tell
fans what think you're tying up for? Today? Absolutely, Joe,
today got a great day. Not only we have the
five bowl games, We've got two NFL games, both of
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them which I absolutely love. Plus, we got a huge
college basketball slate that's starting in an hour and a half.
We got that Villanova Kansas game. Have a strong play
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got a strong, strong game to day to day. I
should say, Yes, there's another Bowl game that I'm intrigued about.
It's at Tulane UL Lafayette matchup. It takes place in Orlando.
You have a contrast in styles of methodical offense in Tulane.
UH that wants to run the football on more of
a traditional pro style offense that wants to attack vertically
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with UL Lafayette, I like the over in this ball
game as well. I mean, what do you see in
terms of breaking down this matchup? You know, it's funny
Joe you mentioned the over. I'm on the opposite side
of that. By the way, I think this game is
an under you mentioned to in as a ball control type,
running type team. I watched them against Memphis. I was
very impressed with their game against Memphis. They ran all
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over them. You had score was forty to twenty four,
which ended would be in over in the case today
because the total sixty one and a half. Weather's gonna
play a factor in this game too. By the way,
chance of rain. I think you're gonna see rain in
this in this game Louisiana Lafia it also does like
to run the ball as well. Yes, they are more
of a pro style offense, but they run the ball
more than they throw the ball as well. I'm leaning
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towards the under in this game, by the way. And uh,
as far as the sideway, I happened to lean towards
the dog in this game just because it's it's again
a state rivalry type matchup. The games played in Orlando,
but these two teams know each other and Louisiana Lafia.
It's actually covered the last five times these two teams
matched up against each other. So I have it slightly
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towards the dog, but I really do like the under
in this game, So I'm against you, Joe on this one.
One of one of the great aspects of the Bowls
for me. I mean I I love to kind of
get into coaching matchups because you know, when you're a
small school and you're a small school coach, these are
high profile opportunities to make statements. So North Texas Utah
State Matt Wells has already used his season with the
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Aggies to get that job at Power five conference Texas
Tech in the Big Twelve. But Seth Latrelle underrated at
North Texas, some people thought maybe a candidate for Kansas State,
maybe a candidate for another Power five school. For Seth
Latrelle in North Texas a huge opportunity to potentially upset
a Mountain West team and for him to enhance his
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resume as well, you got you got it rich and uh.
It also shows the program that. You know, he's sticking
with North Texas. Like you said, he had a shot
to go to Kansas State, so the kids are obviously
gonna play pretty strong hard for him. You would have
to think on the flip side, Utah State, Wow, what
an incredible season they had going there. They lost their
first game in Michigan State, they very well could have
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won that game, and they lost their last game against
Boise State. But in between they want every single game. Yes,
the coach did leave to go to Texas Tech. This
is one of the most intriguing matchups of the day.
You know, North Texas believe it or not, out gained
every one of their opponents that they played this year.
That's pretty much unheard of. It's never been pretty much done.
I mean it has been done, but it's been quite
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some times since that's been done. Uh, this should be
a hell of a game. The line actually dropped four
points because the coach did take the job at Texas Tech.
I really I'm I'm really impressed with Jordan's love and
I'm also impressed with Mason. Fine. This is the game.
I like the over and by the way, I think
there's gonna be a lot of points scored in this game.
The total sixty eight. I wouldn't be surprised if there's
eighty or ninety points in this game. It's funny you
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say that, Jamie too, because North Texas were were under
machine this year and then I think their last two games.
Maybe I remember I jumped into Dame of eight dollars
short of course the game went over the number when
I won, and once against Florida, Uh Florida Atlantic at
the Atlantic. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, though, jam
I feel like there's gonna be some points in this
football game as well, and not chose today lose their coach,
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but their offensive Cordiner and their defensive Hell, I think
the water Boys split like like who's who's like preparing
this team like that? You know that's that's my issue here.
I like the me and Green. I already have a ticket.
In fact, you know what, we'll bust it outice and
I didn't believe it was in front of me right here.
I got some paper tickets from the from the sports
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book here already played this a couple of days ago,
and I got in onto mean Green plus seven and
a half. I got it here. I didn't they can
win this game out right, and I look forward to
your What do you think, Jamie about these games in
the sense that and Rich and Joe, there's not really
a ton of Bowl classics where we're like, oh my god, man,
it went to overtime and it was like, oh, they
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went for two for the win. It's a lot of
look at UFC fight, you know you're either right or
you're wrong. Man, one guy's getting beat up maybe, And
I almost feel like, well, from a betting perspective, yeah,
you take the points, but you'll almost look at the
money lines, Jamie, because you know North Duchas either wins
this game or gets blown out. I almost feel I
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almost feel like this way with a lot of these
underdogs in these games. What's your take on the money
lines in these parts? Uh? You know something gave you
made up a great you, you brought up a great point,
and it's true if you're looking to take dogs today,
you might as well just flat out take take it
on the money line because you said it. So when
you when you have these type Bowl games, you're right.
These are classic Bowl matchups and a lot of times
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one team absolutely shows up the other team just doesn't.
You just have to hope that if you are taking
the dog and you are taking the money line, that
you're getting that team that is the one that's showing
up as far as a favorite today. And like you
just said, UTAs State, who's gonna be coaching. You know,
they lost their offensive coordinator, they lost a defensive coordinator.
You know they're getting back a coach that coached then
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back but three or four years ago. He went to Wisconsin,
then he went to Oregon State and pretty much destroyed
their their program for for the last four or five
years whatever. But you know you're you're talking, you're talking
about a situation where the mean green. Like you guys
mentioned Latrelle's coming back. He could have taken the Kansas
State job possibly or another job. He's sticking with North Texas.
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So you'd have to think that this team is gonna
play hard. So if you, like you said game, if
you're gonna take North Texas today, you might as well
just take them on the money line. Or if you
take them, you can take both. You can take them
with the spread getting the sevens. If you get got
take down to seven. I'm not just saying just going
Toxas Jay, but all overall, like exam example and Lafayette
against Tulane, you're taking a three and a half. Yeah, okay,
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let's take the money line as well. Though I don't know,
maybe he's put your bets into which guys will do
because I listen, there's gonna be a few games and
watch every game. We have one point game today. But
generally you look back at Bowl scores and I did this.
We did this on a radio show at Camp Story.
We went through the Bowl games last year. It was
about seventy seventy of the games are double digit games,
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and a lot of them were underdogs winning out right.
So it was the case where all the favorites killed
it all the time. But as I stated, the Sword
of Wow, it came down to a field goal. There
were few and far between. And you know when they
were all the close games for January one big tenn
SEC day, the out Bowl Day, the Sextuary, all that
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type stuff, you know, l s U versus Penn States
and tennis, you know what I mean, those games where
the closet ones. You look at all these other Bowl
games and it's often times, like I said, I'll compert
to m M A, I bet on m m A, guys,
you know what in ten seconds all God, I'm on
the wrong side here, you know what I mean, you
know right away, and you you'll know, you're gonna know,
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you're gonna know halfway through that you're gonna know halfway
through the first quarter in these games, whether you're on
the right side or not killed the round over them. Yeah,
I think if I recall the first the first ten
or twelve games last year were absolute annihilation when they
took a while before we got to a competitive The
one competitive game was Texas Tech U sef that one
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Quentin Flowers scored it at the last point. But uh,
And I wanted to ask Jamie, Jamie, how important is
it Bowl history? Because sometimes you look like the Las
Vegas Bowl and I'm with you, we're gonna break that
getting down later in terms of Arizona State being alive dog.
But you look at the Mountain West team for the
last two years is one San Diego State and last
year where Boise State over Oregon. How important is Bowl
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history in the in breaking down some of these matchups,
it is important in a lot of ways, and then
in some ways it really isn't that important. I mean,
when you look at an Arizona States, it's on Devil team.
You're looking at a team obviously that's their coached by
a first year of coach and Herm Edwards. So I
could you could throw out a lot of those stats
that the Mountain West has beat the Pack twelve or
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whatever in these games, and yes they have, obviously and
friendsno state by all means very impressive, don't get me wrong,
but they're all they're They're two games against the Power
five conferences. They lost to a very average Minnesota game,
and yes they did blow out u c l A.
But that's when u c l A was complete shambles.
They had quarterback problems and that was when Chip Kelly
was getting his feet wet or whatever. So be aware
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of this game. I'm on the Sun Devils in this game.
I really think that the Sun Devils are not only
could cover. Like with Gabe, I would take him on
the money line. I take a shot with them to
win the game out right, even though they are missing Harry,
this is still Wilkins, uh, their their quarterbacks lat Manny
Wilkins last game, you know, I give them a serious
shot to win this game as Joey's great information and
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Clemson battle briefly, and I think when you look at
this matchup, a lot of pressure on the ian book.
But in order to win this ballgame. In both of
these matchups, underdogs Oklahoma and Notre Dame I really feel
that they both have to dictate the tempo and score first,
especially on Alaba, but more importantly on Clemson as well,
because the groove that Trevor Lawrence in that offense is
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in over the last few weeks, I mean unprecedented, and
now with four weeks of preparation, they're gonna need to
establish the run early, score first, slow, shorten the game,
and slowed down the tempo. Can they do that remains
to be seen, But that's the only way I think
Notre Dame can win. You have to run the ball
against Clemson. The problem is nobody's running the ball against Clemson.
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Means yeah, under a Hunter right nineties something something like that,
but that that defensive front against a good Notre Dame line,
but a young Notre Dame line that really is going
to miss Alex Bars in this type of a game.
You know, Clemson, to their credit, Alabama's credit, you know
they're motivated all season, but those kinds of programs they
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get ready for these types of games. I mean, Christian
Wilkins came back, Austin Bryant came back, Cleveland Farrell came
back for this type of a setting. And then I
also look at the quarterbacks. You know, Alabama's got the
Maxwell Award winner, Oklahoma has the Heisman winner. Clemson has
a freshman All American and a surefire future first round
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draft choice. I like what Ian Book has done to
this offense. He's not in the class of those other quarterbacks.
I think Notre Dame competes in the first half and
then fades away in the second half against Clemson. Yeah,
but if you look at both of these underdogs, if
you want to pick a money liner in terms of
just winning, which one would you throw your money on?
I mean, for me, I would I would lean then
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Ore Dame. But I mean you can't rule out the
Heisman trope. If he winner in Kyler Murray, I mean,
if he gets hot and puts pressure on that Alabama
defense early, just the way Georgia did, he has a shot.
I mean, wouldn't you agree with that? Looks like we
lost gape Up. He was signing. He's doing sign language.
(40:52):
That's why nobody can hear him. He's basically saying that
Oklahoma has no shot. Yeah. Yeah, if you like the
over in that, you like the over, But do you
like which underdog would you throw money on? In terms
of a money like play. Um, I would Oklahoma Oklahoma.
I don't think Notre Dame is gonna be clemsond and
I I listen, Alabama is a class of all these
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four teams. But at the same point in time, you know,
you look at the way Oklahoma plays, You're gonna need
to score, right, You're getting an a track meet with
these guys. We talked about it. Who's gonna get a
couple of stops along the way? Kyler Murray and Oklahoma
will scored anybody. They're gonna score in Alabama, you know
they're gonna put They're gonna put up thirty five, forty points.
I think the question is how much is Alabama scoring him?
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So I think there's always a chance. When you can
score like that, you know you've got it. You've got
a chance. Oklahoma has a shot. Are they really doing
this football game? To me? Notre Dame doesn't. You guys
called it. You know Clemsonna just suffocating and you know
it's like a black hole, It's just so Bermuda triangle.
You go into that. You know, Orange brew win a
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triangle if you just sort of get suffocated. And I
think Clemson are better football team that people realize that
Clemson aren't intimidated by knowing by by Alabama either. Kelly
has done a nice job over the years, but I
you know that Alabama game, and Rich you talked about it.
You can get you here, but I don't know if
they could take that next step right now. I think
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Clemson is just gonna be too much for Notre Dame.
And I'm not ready to lay fourteen with Bama here.
I'm looking at the over in that game. As you mentioned, Joe,
I think there's gonna be points. I think Oklahoma can
trade points with Bama. I think bam will come up
with more stops. But if I if you you're asking
me which team has a better chance. If I'm rolling
the dice, someone says, hey, you've got one money line pick.
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Here's a three hundred bucks to put down on it,
I'll take Oklahoma over Notre Dame. Yeah. I would take
Notre Dame strictly for the sense of Trevor Lawrence being
a freshman, and I think with the pressure in that
type of atmosphere, even though we stepped up up until
this point, we don't know what to expect. Should Notre
Dame score first, and put the pressure. So that's why
I would lean to Notre Dame. And also the defensive
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talent that they have. I mean that that's a real artillery.
Julian Love to von Kony, they have a real legitimate
top ten defense. I respectfully disagree with Gabe. I I
think Oklahoma's in for to me, I think the game
is gonna look an awful lot like Ohio State Michigan,
I really do. I think I think Alabama if if
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Oklahoma trade scores for a while, I think Alabama is
getting into the fifties. Possibly one of those sixty two
thirty nine type games with Michigan, uh and and UH
Ohio State. I don't think they have any prayer of
stopping the Alabama. It should be interesting, and I guess
that's the matchup that you want to see transpire in
these semifinal games. Which team could establish their style of
play early on? And I think for Notre Dame too,
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those wide receivers, the height of Mac at the tight
end and use utilizing him on Miles Boykin and you
realizing them on nickel backs or linebackers that aren't as
fast or more importantly as tall, could create jump all
opportunities for booking that offense. If Gabe is right about Oklahoma,
Let's let's say, and I said it last week. I
mean Kyler Murer a decade ago, and with the way
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this led Texas over USC if that happens, if Gabe
is correct, and this is one of those games, we're like, Wow,
Murray is just underworldly. I wonder if he starts to
think if he beats Alabama's defense, he seems passionate about football.
I wonder if he considers maybe a career in the NFL.
I think he does. I mean from what I'm hearing now,
and in terms of the rumblings, I think he sticks
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sticks to football. Look at Russell Wilson and the hell
of a football player. Yeah, you know what, there's that
Grummers Marshall Falk called it actually a couple of weeks ago,
and on a Sunday show we brought it up and
he said, Murray will be a football player. He goes
he ain't playing baseball, and we're like, really, he's already drafted.
He goes he won't play baseball, and you know it's
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funny because before the years started, though, what was Kyler
Murray draft stock right, Oh, he's too small. It's to this.
He's do that. You know what it is, guys or
something about it. That's why we're we're doing this right
now that ten in the morning on a Saturday morning.
You can make money playing baseball. You can do this,
you can do that. Football is just funner, you know
what I mean? Like it's guys get sucked into it.
If he can make big money playing football, I don't know, though.
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I mean a lot of guys have won the Heisman
and having the good NFL quarterbacks. Right. If I was Kyler,
I tell him chill out on this football thing. I
think it's more media and I just respect your guy's
opinion what you think him going on. But I don't
know is he how much better is he than Vernon Adams?
You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, he's a
good college quarterback in a great system in Oklahoma. I
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don't know if he's taken over the National Football League.
If I'm advising him me personally, I'd say, a kid,
don't keep your baseball hat on here, have fun doing this.
Your football careers aren't nearly over. You know, guaranteed contracts,
But I don't know how good at a baseball player
he is. I mean, obviously he's good. He's a ninth
overall pick. But where's a good draft in the NFL
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right now? Don't get caught up in the ESPN hype
and the media hype, but talk, you know, like Chasays
or whatever. Think about your future here and you know
you're the ninth overall picking baseball. You know? Is he
a third or fourth round pick? That's what I thought
before people said before he was a fourth or fifth
round pick. Is he suddenly a first round pick because
of the media hype? If I don't know what you're takers, Joe,
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But if I'm him, I'm playing baseball. Still. Yeah, that's
a great point. I think another factor in terms of
his draft stock is the progression of Lamar Jackson, because
that was the knock on Lamar Jackson and Louisville better
runner than he was a passer now named the starter
for Baltimore heading into this week's matchup. So if Kyler
Murray knocks off Alabama and let's say does it with
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dynamic numbers, he could possibly possibly be I mean, the
first quarterback take and it's not a huge deep draft. Now,
granted we think there are other quarterbacks better in terms
of pocket presence, but you never know in terms of
pure athletes that could that could propel him to a
top five overall pick. Yeah, my my recommendation would be
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to stick with baseball. I think it's a safer bed.
But who's to say that. You know, after a couple
of years in the minor leagues he realizes a can't
hit a curveball. Be the concept of standing out in
center field when he's he's an electrifying talent and you know,
every so often you're gonna get an opportunity to track
down a ball in the gap. You know that looks
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like yeah, or how exactly yeah, it's night and day.
I mean, this kid looks like his you know, his
essence is being on a football field, running through opposing defenses.
That looks like it just completely energizes him. That kind
of an athlete standing out in center field. I don't know.
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I mean, I wonder, after maybe two years in Modesto,
you know, in double A in Modesto, if he realizes,
maybe I'll get football. I would not be surprised at
some point in his twenties, at some point unless he's
the second coming of Ricky Henderson out there for the
AI's that this kid says, I gotta try, I gotta
scratch that itch. Well. I think the one thing too
is look at two quarterbacks that did go and play baseball,
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Brandon we needn't and Drew Henson in terms of being
did that. They didn't have the type of success, the
consistent success at the NFL level that they showed rust.
And I think that's a concern as well. If you're
gonna do it, you have to worry about if I
come back and by the same type of player in
terms of timing quarterback to wide receive a relationship that
could play it part into into that factor as well.
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I can't I can't disagree with that. And it's funny
because a Michigan fan, I think and Drew Henson as well.
And what was crazy about Drew Henson. Guys, he was
gonna be the number one pick in the NFL draft.
People like either number one quarterback, you're gonna be probably
the number one pick, number two pick in the NFL draft.
He's like, he took five million dollars co play baseball.
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He was never the same quarterback after. It's amazing. I
Tom Brady's father on last year before the Super Bowl,
and I brought up I'm a Michigan fan, and I said,
I remember Tom tom Brady senior, So I remember Tom
that Michigan fans. You know. Tom Brady won the m
v P Horangeball they beat Alabama and was like, all right,
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see it, buddy, thanks thanks for coming. Let's go Drew Henson.
People were like salivating the seed Drew Henson play. And
then he throws that curveball because Steinbrenner throws a five
mill and as you said, Rich, he couldn't hit a curveball.
Tom Brady loved the fact that Drew Henson, you know,
went to the Yankees in that matchup. I mean, look
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at his career now at the NFL, so we'll see.
You know what's funny, you, Joe. There's a YouTube video
and I think it's got like half a million hits
or something like that, and it's basically like Tom Brady
about Tom Brady. And they used the interview in the
video on YouTube actually of me and the father, and
they showed Tom Brady's father still to this day. This
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is how competitive these guys are. I said to him,
and I said, Tom you know, I always got the
feeling that Tom Brady would end up as a San
Francisco forty nine or at that point of his career,
you know, as he's gonna end his career if New
England let him go. He goes, No, he won't. I said,
why not because he goes data and draft us. And
I asked him, I said, you know, you grew up
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a San Francisco forty Niner fan. You guys took Tommy games.
He goes, I'm not a season ticket holder anymore. The
data and draft my kid, I stopped being a forty
Niner backer hardcore. And I asked about Drew Henson. You
know what, the father said, where's Drew right now? Yeah?
That's how competitive they remember that. That's all competitive they are. Yeah,
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they are. And that's a concern if you're Kyler Murray. Now,
granted again you worry about his body frem at the
next level. To me, he needs to add about ten
to fifteen pounds of muscle doing it at the collegiate level.
But once you go to NFL defenses in front, seven's
that constant pounding, whether you're running or or in the pocket.
That's gonna take a toll on his body as well.
He's a he's a thick kid. He's thick and muscular.
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He's not whiskey at all. He's just short, quite frankly,
and he's short, but he's stocky and and I think
it was Marshall that said at last weekend. I think
it was Marshall where he doesn't take a lot of
hits exactly, he doesn't take a lot of hits. It's
not just the speed, but it's his elusiveness. He doesn't
take a lot of direct contact contact. So you know,
whereas a statuesque type of a quarterback maybe gets whacked
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around a lot. You know, a DeAndre Francois at Florida
State took a lot of hits. Doesn't have the mobility
Kyler Murray, I mean watching him this year, did not
absorb a lot of contact. Whether that would translate to
the NFL, who knows, Yeah, we'll see it. It should
being treated again. I think he wants to start fast,
he wants to get into a rhythm and that and
that's the way they started against Georgia last year. I
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mean they really took it to and that sec defense.
Now for this offense to really progress, in this matchup
for them, they're gonna have to run the football with
Kennedy Brooks and Trey Sermon to keep too and that
offense on the sidelines because it will preserve their front
seven in that matchup. We haven't even talked about the
fact that Hollywood Brown may not playing this game. I mean,
(51:58):
so Oklahoma's best wide receiver, the most explosive talent, the
kid who can stretch an opposing defense. So a Kennedy
Brooks and a Trace Sermon have more running room. I
don't know if he's gonna play. So a lot's gonna
fall on Ceedee Lamb, Grant Calcatara. They're they're talented tight end.
I mean, they have weapons. They can score Alabama with
a month to prepare, largely for one player. Well, I'll
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tell you that's gonna be tough. Yeah game. In terms
of the matchup with Notre Damon Clemson, I mean I
looked to the under in that ball game because for me,
the only way that Notre Dame can win is if
they really do slow down tempo much the way they
did a few years ago when they lost that match
up in Depth Valley by about two points. I hate
betting you know, in today's day and age, it's hard
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to bet unders that, especially at all fifty five. I
hear what you're saying, though, I think Notre Dame. He's
gonna have a hard time moving to football on these guys.
But I know we're going to a break in a second.
I gotta be honest with you. I'm heartbroken right now.
I thought the game started at news. What you're gonna
do for those two hours? I'm all excited. I'm like
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a kid, I really have. I looked up, like, all right, man,
we're an hour for kickoff. Man, let's go Lafayette. Let's
do this. It's a one thirty, one thirty. It's a
one thirty kick. When we come back, we'll be breaking
down the new Mexico Bowl, and we'll be breaking down
to Lane and U L Lafayette Joe Lisie, Ritz, Sermonello
and gave Morenci live from Studio thirty four. Keep it
(53:25):
where it is.
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