July 10, 2020 • 53 mins
Davis Mattek is joined by Ricky Sanders, as the guys recap their first few rounds of picks from the Scott Fish Bowl draft. Davis and Ricky explain their strategies for their drafts and they describe what the Scott Fish Bowl is. The guys also talk about the importance of stacking a WR with their QB in fantasy football, focusing on some cheap stacks for the 2020 season.
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daily Roto hour here on sports Grade TV. My name
is Davis Manning. You can find me on Twitter at
Davis Maddock. I'm joined today by Ricky Sanders and it
is Scott fish Bowl week. If you are unfamiliar with
the Scott Fish Bowl, it is a large fantasy football tournament,
actually really the largest fantasy football tournament. UH, and all
the proceeds generated from the draft go for charity. UH.
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Both fans of the fantasy football industry and analysts in
the fantasy football industry are invited on a yearly basis.
And Ricky, you and I are are both in the
draft this year that we are in different divisions. Why
don't you tell people a little bit about the Scott
Fish Ball. So the Scott Fish Ball is interesting because
the scoring changes each year, so every year you have
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to do your research and this year, um, well, hey,
there's a ton of divisions, which are twelve teams deep
in the divisions, which we should probably talk about. UH.
And there's a draft on my Fantasy league dot com.
And this year the rules were, I don't even know
how you describe them, like simply the rules were basically
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they were passing completions and in completions added for quarterbacks.
So I mean, it's kind of your standard scoring. There's
six points for passing touchdown, so maybe that's more than
like the average for passing touchdown, you know, point league.
And there's points for first downs in this league, so
you know, last year it was more heavily weighted towards
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tight ends. This year it's more heavily weighted towards UH,
basically accurate quarterbacks and those who are receiving a heavy workload,
both UH from a rushing and eaving perspective, because you
do want all those first downs. And basically the draft
starts for everyone all these divisions at the same time.
And you can see on Twitter if you see that
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hashtag sfb X, that's people talking about their draft and
or everyone else's. So if you're confused on Twitter, why
you see that hashtag over and over and over be confused,
no more. Yeah, so expect. The way I would define
the scoring, Ricky is it's an attempt to make all
four positions equal. Right to make quarterbacks have, you know,
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to make the thirty second quarterback a guy who needs
to be rostered, to make the tight end valuable, because
not only are we getting points for first sounds, but
tight ends get extra points for first down, extra points
for perceptions. You know. So I love it. I love
a hyper balance format like this. Yeah, I do too,
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And it's crazy to see, like, even through three rounds,
the difference in opinion across the industry of how people
have a act this draft. You've seen people with two
quarterbacks out of the first three rounds. You've seen people
you know, not take running backs basically till the tenth round.
You've seen people load up on receivers. You've seen so
many different strategies because of this scoring that I wish
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that more leagues were like this, where people could basically
look at it and think about it the way that
they want, and there would be so many unique builds
that you're just not used to seeing. I love the
way they they've approached it this year. Yeah, so, uh,
you know this is I think, you know, one of
the you know, one of the This is kind of
the beginning of the fantasy football season for most people.
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This is when people start to really grind. You know,
we have there were scott Fish Bowl mock drafts, and
you know, just just many people are starting to get
really excited about fantasy football at this time. So it's always,
you know, it's always a a great time of the
year for all of us. And uh, how are you
how are you feeling about your draft so far? How many?
How many years in a row have you participate in this?
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This has gotta be at least year five ish. I've
been in this for a while. Um. Last year was
the first year that my team went deep into the playoffs.
I've had some injuries, kind of bone meter in some
previous seasons. I've had some not great drafts, and last
year finally felt good about it. And so I think
we're on about year five. If if I had to,
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you know, testify under oath, but I feel good. I mean,
I was just playing the let's go best available game
and I went wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver, which
I feel like has not been the consensus I've seen
so many drafts where quarterbacks were flying off the board,
and I happened to be fortunate enough to play in
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a division where quarterbacks seemed to fly early. And then
people decided, like after basically Carson Wentz, that they were
fine slowing down. So basically taking the wide receivers didn't
cost me as much as I thought it was as
I thought it was at the quarterback a position, and
so God's felt that I like. So I think from
a value perspective, I have been doing very well. If
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you want to just go pick by pick so far,
pick one oh six. I took Michael Thomas, which I
think some you know in other drafts that I was
seeing Michael Thomas because he was a receiver, was going
like one ten uh, so I think I was early
on him there. Then Davante Adams, then DeAndre Hopkins, then
James Conner because I felt like I needed a back.
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Then your boy Cam Akers. Then the quarterbacks fell Daniel Jones,
Jared Goff, and Mike get Sticky. Is where I am
through eight rounds. What do you think, Davis? Because I
feel pretty confident about that, to be honest, Yeah, you know,
I I like, I like your start I think, um,
you know, the tricky part you run into with this
scoring is you know, I do, I do think you
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are giving up quite a bit if you don't have
an elite quarterback coming out of the first two rounds.
So I actually the first time ever. I've also done
this for about five years. I'm not even I'm not
even exactly sure you know how many years in a
row I've done it. But this is, I know, the
first year that I ever started with. Not only have
I never taken a quarterback in the first round before,
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but I selected two quarterbacks with my first two picks.
I took Patrick Mahomes in the first round at the
one oh four, and then I selected Kyler Murray in
the second round with the two oh nine. I briefly
considered taking well not briefly, actually, I I really I
really thought about it, um that you know, I wanted
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to take Tyreek Hill to complete the stack with Patrick Mahomes.
You know, I do think, uh basically, I think that
in this format, this tournament format, you absolutely have to
be stacking or you're pretty much dead in the water
to win the overall. But I ended up taking Karl Murray.
I mean, how do you feel about that, Ricky, starting
with two quarterbacks overall, I mean that was my initial
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plan going in. I just didn't want to take Dak
Prescott at six. Both Mahomes and Um and Lamar Jackson
were gone by then, so it was basically Michael Thomas
receivers or Kelsey and I started Kelsey last year, so
I just kind of wanted to do something different. And
with the first downs, I mean, who's gonna catch more
first downs than Michael Thomas with the ridiculous volume that
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he received. So for me personally, I wanted to go
with some version of your strategy. I just couldn't pull
it off in the draft spot I was in. I
thought it's unique, that's for sure. I mean, Patrick Mahomes
to me makes so much sense in this format. I
would have loved to have gotten him. I'm not sure
where I stand on Kyler Murray. I guess you're probably
gonna get a bunch of rushing first downs with him
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because of the way he uses his legs, But the
completions and in completions is where it'll be. It'll be
interesting to see the development for Kyler Murray in year
two because it's either gonna be a reach if we
get like an inconsistent Kyler Murray who can't finish, you know,
drives off in the red zone, you see a bunch
of completions, or you get the second year growth with
him having a true number one receiver in the Andre Hopkins,
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and he's gonna be worth every bit of a second rounder,
could be pushing first round value in this draft. So
I think it was a little bit risky. But because
of the wide receivers that you landed after those two,
I think you have to be feeling really really good
about what you've done. Yeah, And I think the best
part to me about the Scott Fish Bowl, I think
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is you I don't actually think there's a way you
can leave your draft feeling really good about your team,
even even if you have the best possible team. And
our buddy JJ Zacharies and at the late round QB
he pretty much has I think what I've seen to
be the you know, the best overall team thus far.
His his drafty. They just gave it up to him.
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So he's selecting from the one oh two and uh.
He started with Kenyan dre Or, he started with sa
Kwon Barkley. Then he took Kenyan Drake, then he got
Mark Andrews in this hyper tight end premium format, then
Chris Godwin, then d J. Moore and his league mates.
You'd be thinking, oh, well, he's screwed at quarterback, right,
And no he's not Josh Allen and Jared Goff. He's
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able to get at the six eleven and the seven
oh two. So unless unless you are doing unless your
league just gives it to you like that, I think
you're pretty much always leaving your draft hating at least
one of your positions. Yeah, and it's so deep, the
amount of guys that you have to start in this league,
we should mention that you basically have to start I
think it's, uh, is it nine flex players if you
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include tight end, so it's you have to start one quarterback,
two running backs, three wide receivers. But then there's four
flex spots, with one being a super flex exactly. So
by the time you get to the end, I mean,
you think you're gonna be running thin somewhere. But if
you have a league like JJ's where you have DJ
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more Fall is your fifth guy, uh, it's just really
hard to say anything bad about this team. I guess
if you had to nitpick here, it's Josh Allen isn't
a perfect fit for this format. But then again, I
have Daniel Jones is myke qb one who's just kind
of the guy who fell, and t Y Hilton. I mean,
he's relying on the heavy volume from a small aging receiver,
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which you may not get. But I think that's pretty
much nitpicking considering he got Mike Kisiki around later than
I did, he got Jared Goff the same round. I mean,
he's just had a phenomenal draft. Yeah. Uh. And and
I think this is the biggest element of strategy that
is different in the Scott Fish Bowl versus a normal league,
is you really can because you could start up to seven,
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but more you know, more likely six guys. I I
really think that it is fine to draft like five
or six straight wide receivers because you know, if we're
just thinking of like twenty nineteen points, you know, Terry
McLaurin is going to outscore Levian Bell, uh, Keenan Allen
is going to outscore David Montgomery. And you know, in
a normal league where you're thinking of like running backs,
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of running back scoring and ceilings and everything, you know,
you you'd probably rather have David monca or and then
Keenan Allen. But in this format, I don't even really
think it's close. I think you are just wanting to
jam in the wide receivers. Yeah. The thing is is
that wide receivers in a bunch of these leagues have
seemed to have fallen. So I think it it makes
sense to have two ample running backs that you that
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you have some form of faith in, just because you're
probably gonna be able to get some receivers later that
you would have in other leagues. So from an opportunity
cost perspective, I mean, if you're trying to start a
guy who's gonna get you know, five to ten touches
a week as opposed to a second workhorse, I don't
think there's gonna be as big a discrepancy between like
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the wide receiver you would get in the ninth round
the wide receiver you would get in the fourth round,
because of how far guys are falling. Yeah, I I
certainly think that's true. I mean, I uh, you know,
in it is not uncommon to be sitting there in
the eighth round and be seeing guys who you know,
literally in some drafts. Uh so, So, for example, right
now in the eighth round in my league, they're still
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available Stephon Diggs, Tyler Lockett, DeVante Parker, Tyler Board, Marquis Brown.
And that you know, not to mention in terms of
super flex leagues, because my league has kind of just
been so running back. Every Joe Burrow is still there too,
was still there, Drew Locks, Sam Donald, Tenny Bridgewater, Justin Herbert,
Derek Carr, Philip Rivers, Dayne Haskins. I mean, there's loads
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of value to be had if your lead goes heavy
on the running backs exactly, which I feel like a
bunch of them did. And then you know, if you
just have one or two backs that you feel good about,
you could really just load up on receivers, and if
you hit at all with your late round backs, you
could just cruise in this league. So there's different ways
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to look at it. I personally wanted two backs I
felt good about, but I think that's it for me
for running backs for a while. I want to just
now draft best available players and considering the backs that
are left, which are basically all guys in splits. At
this point, I thought Devin Singletary was the last like
true guy on the heaviest ode of a workload. Now
I'm just you know, basically which wide receiver and or
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tight end looks like he's going to score the most
points and boom come to my roster for quite a while. Yeah, alright, everyone,
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than get on the grid. Sports grid dot Com. Hello everyone,
and welcome back from Break. Here on the daily Road
to hour on Sports Grade TV. I'm Davis Mannock here
today with Ricky Sanders. We are covering the scott Fish
Bowl right now, a massive charity fantasy football tournament to
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use to basically raise money for Toys for Tots and
a bunch of other child focused charities. Scott Fish organizes
it every year over four hundred participants this season. Ricky
and I are are both to be participating this year.
It's a unique format in which you can start two
quarterbacks uh. And also there are points for you lose
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points for being sacked, lose points for in completing passes,
but you gain points for completions, you gain points for
first down. So a very interesting wrinkly format, Ricky, why
don't you tell us what your your entire roster is?
So so far started with Michael Thomas at the six pick.
Davante Adams fell to the next round, so I felt
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really good having what I viewed as the top two receivers.
And then coming back, I mean there were some receivers
taken that you know, Tyreek Kill was taken before DeAndre Hopkins,
so I was like, all right, if DeAndre Hopkins is
gonna fall there, my other options were Zach Ertz, you
know Godwin. I felt pretty good about taking DeAndre Hopkins there,
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so I started receiver receiver receiver, and they could potentially
be the top three receivers in football, so I felt
really good about that. And then I had a decision
in on four basically Kenny Golladay or James Conner, and
I felt like the difference between them was so nominal
that I probably wanted the back, so I finally took
a back cam Akers, so I have you know, the
three receivers, two backs. Then the next two were Daniel Jones,
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who's not a perfect fit for this format, and then
Jared Goff, who I took over Ryan Tannehill and we
can we can talk about why uh in a little bit,
and then Mike Gisicky. So you know, I have the
positions that I felt like I needed to this point,
I just didn't do them in the order I thought
I was going to. You know, if Lamar Jackson were
to have fallen at me at six, that that's where
I really wanted to go. Did you think at all
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about taking Dak or Kyler there at six, or or
taking Travis Kelsey. I was between Thomas. Travis Kelsey and
Dak were my with the three that I was between,
because I felt like in this format the completion percentage
with Dak was was easier to rely on. But I
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just ended up going to Michael Thomas basically because I
had Travis Kelsey in this league last year and I
felt it was a little bit more tight end heavy,
uh And the first downs to me, Michael Thomas with
all those targets was just such a lot to be
there in terms of you know, league leaders in first down.
So yes, I considered those guys, but I didn't want
to reach on the quarterback, you know in Dak which
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it actually turned out to be a reach. Dack didn't
go until about ten picks later, when I can have
the best receiver in the league right there. Uh yeah,
I mean I think your start of Thomas Adams Hopkins
is for a format where people, I think format people
are clearly undervaluing wide receivers, right. DeAndre Hopkins going in
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the third round is absurd. You know, in this format
he should be closer to going as you know, closer
to going in the first round. Like like I think,
once you get past the five running backs, the two
quarterbacks and the two tight ends, I think you gotta
go Hopkins. And and so I love your I love
your start. Um. I love that you were like your
running backs are going to be better than mine for sure.
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You were able to get James Conner at the four
oh seven. James Conner was off the board when I
picked at the four oh nine. I mean that's who
I wanted. I I wanted I wanted. I wanted him
big time. And then I mean slam dunk with with
Connor and Acres, like you, you got to be feeling
very good about that start. Yeah, exactly. And I thought
I was gonna have a decision between Chris Carson and Acres,
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and Chris Carson ends up going two picks before me.
But I honestly, in this draft, I'm just playing for
the upside anyways, Like I feel better about Cam acres
chances to just blow the lid off this league than
I do Chris Carson with Carlos Hide added to the mix.
So I'm playing for upside. I mean, this is a
free league, and even if it wasn't, I mean, you're
playing in the league with so many teams you want
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to be shooting for first place. Out of this many teams,
You've got to be taken chances. So I'd rather go
with the unknown of Cam Acres on a team where
it doesn't seem like either of the other running backs
have have earned any trust from the coaching staff. And
what if they give you know, Cam akers, you know,
after Game four, like a Todd Gurley workload, because they
just realized he's the guy. To me, I felt like
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I had to be taking him there. I was very
excited about taking him there. And yeah, I do feel
like I got the running backs. I needed to compliment
that Trio. I was feeling very good after that. I
don't know how I'm feeling after the quarterbacks, but at
round five, that was probably the peak of my emotions
in this draft. Yeah, I mean I I would I
would definitely be feeling good. Um, are you are? You?
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Are you tilted that you do not have a stack
built in right now? So you know you have Daniel
and not to say you couldn't you know, Sterling Shepherd,
Golden Tate, Darius Slay and all of those guys are
out there on the board. Uh, you've probably missed with
golf though. I guess you could be planning on taking
Gerald Everett, you know, with your eighteenth round pick or whatever. Uh,
you're assuming cam Akers is not going to be a
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receiving back. What if we have the greatest rookie receiving
season from a running back ever, all of a sudden,
We've got it, Jared Goff cam Akers stack. I actually
have a stack that probably own a productive unless we
have an offense that is amongst the most productive offenses
in the league. And I think the Rams with McVeigh
have a chance to bounce back. Remember Jared Goff through
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thirty two touchdowns two years ago. Uh so I think
that there is a potential for this offense to be
very good. But yeah, I was a little tilted. I
would have liked to have paired, you know, one of
these guys. Maybe I'll be searching for Sterling Shepherd rounds
round ten or eleven just to just to have that
with Daniel Jones. Um. But I feel okay just because
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of the value that I've gone with and I haven't
reached on guys, but it make it to the point
where I just need a Giants receiver or a Rams
you know, pass catcher. Yeah, I mean I think you
definitely are going to be wanting to target you know,
Slayton Tate Shepherd, Like I think those are guys are
pretty much a requirement for your roster, especially because you
have not taken a wide receiver sense of three or six.
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But you know this is your platform. Sell us, sell
us all on, Mr Mike GISICKI your boy. Well, first,
how many other players in this league do you know
they can throw a ball over a house and catch it? So,
I mean, does anything else really need to be said?
I know, there's no fantasy points awarded for that, but that, uh,
that athletic ability is what we love about Mike Kisiki.
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Down the stretch. He would score touchdowns at a furious pace.
I think he scored three touchdowns in his final four games.
And I guess the knock on him is that Chan
Gailey's there. But remember with Tony Gonzalez, Uh he was,
He still used him as a receiver and he had
a monster season. And Mike Kissicki is like the top
one percent athletic at the position. I mean, it's like him,
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Noah Fant and they're like Jimmy Graham and his prime
levels of athlete, and I think they're just too good
to be held down. This is now his third year.
It seems like he finally, you know, seemed to figure
it out down the stretch last year. And I don't
think the move to tah is going to be a
knock on him because two is known as like a
breeze type in terms of his efficiency, So I think
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he'll love having that big target in the short field.
I think there's a lot of signals that you know,
Mike Kisiki could be the breakout tight end of the year,
So I took him over Higbe and Gronkowski because I've
been talking to talk I gotta walk the walk. Yeah,
I mean you you definitely, you definitely are You're You're
sticking to the brand, and I think that's very important
in these tracks, right, like, like the most important thing
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is is just getting your dudes, especially because you know
it's a draft where we're sitting here drafting on you know,
July eighth or whatever. So you you definitely, you definitely
gotta get your dudes. Um. So I I am definitely
sticking to my brand in the sense of going about
a zero RB as possible. So after I, after I
took Mahomes and Kyler, I went uh DeAndre Hopkins to
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complete the stack. Then I took Jujus miss Schuster in
the fourth round. Then I took DJ Or, Then I
took A J. Brown, Then I took DJ Shark, and
then finally I took a running back in the seventh
round with J. K. Dobbins. I have a feeling, Ricky
that I'm gonna end up taking Mike Kaziki, which you know,
I mean at that point, like, what is my running
back to the situation gonna look like? How are how
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are you feeling on on my team? From the outside
looking in, I think you've got a good start, and
I think maybe the most off brand thing you did
all draft was passed on Raheem Most for j K. Dobbins.
I mean, if that's not a Davis Mannock like round
of applause moment. A guy scores double digit touchdown last
year and the best rushing offense and Davis still wants
no part of him, no part. I actually mentioned in
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our our private chat earlier, I was like, you know,
the greatest moment of a draft is when someone else
takes Raheem Most dirt, like in the fifth round, and
you're like, great, there was a pick. I wouldn't have
taken that guy in the seventh round. So I'm very
glad that he was off the board. Uh that that
was just a beautiful chef's kiss moment in your draft.
But I think you've gotta be feeling really good. It's
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just a matter of what you can do with that
next running back. But I think what you're probably going
to do is passed for a little just fill in
some of those you know, flex spots and then get
strength and numbers for your second running back and just
try and get lucky. I think that's probably the way
you're going to approach this, and just hope that if
one guy catapults into like being the guy all of
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a sudden, your team is gonna be really tough to
stop with those quarterbacks and those receivers. Yeah, I mean,
I think if things went perfectly according to plan, which
is uh, you know, obviously very hard to do. I
wanted Damian Williams to fall. His ADP has been in
like the eighth round in most of these, but he
went in the sixth round in ours, which you know
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I was I was not considering. I would, uh, some
of the guys I would be targeting at running back
coming up here would be Ronald Jones. You know, if
Ronald Jones is sitting there for me at the eight
oh nine, I'm going to think about that. Jordan Howard
is a guy I think his reasonable. Same for Matt
brit to his backfield mate, Tevin Coleman, Tony Pollard, Darryl Henderson.
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I kind of want I would like to be able
to basically spend the back half of the back half
of the draft, you know, ter picks twelve basically like, Okay,
I got my two tight ends, I have every wide
receiver I could ever want. I just need to be
getting running back after running back after running back. And uh,
you know, I it's gonna kind of depend on how
sharp my league mates are between you, because you know,
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there is a big difference in getting uh, you know,
Justin Jackson and Chase Edmonds versus getting Carlos Hide and
Eto Benjamin because like the the upsides, like the very
specific upside guys, if you're drafting with sharp drafters, those
guys are harder to accumulate. Yeah, I don't think luck
can be overstated in these drafts because it's not like,
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as much as we praised that draft from j J,
it's not like we would have done much different, right,
I mean, if d J. Moore was there available at five,
any single one of us would have taken him. If
Chris Godwin was available in the fourth round, any of
us would have done it. So part of these SFB
drafts is like what are the league mates around you
do and what can you kind of fall into by accident?
Like obviously you need to be sharp and identified that
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they those are the best available players, but when they're
they've fallen two rounds below where they should be. I mean,
obviously you're just gonna make the pick. Yeah, I definitely,
I definitely think that is true. You know, and if
I was, if I was going to take one pick
back here, um, I would not have taken A J.
Brown and I would have taken Cam Akers and said,
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I think I think there's a chance that that was
like a little bit of a structural mistake. Yeah. I
mean I feel like I would have had that same
thing had I taken Kenny Galladay over Connor, because I
really considered that and just like going crazy with the receivers,
but I felt at some point I needed to have
a back. I felt basically two backs I thought I
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wanted to have that I felt good about before I
started doing the Davis strategy of diving in the second
half of the draft. So yeah, I know this is
a draft where you have to start, you know, strength
and numbers. But I still feel because you have the
minimum two running backs that you want, at least two
running backs that you felt okay about. So I think
I agree with your assessment there. Yeah, I mean I
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feel I feel pretty good about the team. When we
returned We're going to go away from some of the
niche stuff and we're gonna talk about uh, some quarterback
wide receiver stacks in best Ball now that we do
have a Best Ball tournament out there, and just overall
some larger ADP conversations as we turn our eyes towards
the NFL season. So we are going to go ahead
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and welcome back from break here. On the Daily Roado
Hour on Sportscrade TV. I'm Davis mannis joined by Ricky Sanders.
In our first two segments, we covered the scott Fish Bowl,
a large charity fantasy football tournament over four people, a
lot of you know, pretty much all the illustrious names
in fantasy football taking place. Ricky and I lucky enough
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to get invited, and you know, we talked a little
bit about our teams, talked a little bit about what
we are trying to accomplish structurally, and I think, you know,
as we are getting closer to the football season happening,
as we are getting closer to you know, actually thinking
about building fantasy football teams, how we are going to
manage them in season, Ricky, I thought a really important
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subject to cover is stacking. And you know, I really
think that it's something that a lot of fantasy football
owners are not thinking about in you know, their regular
team leagues. And I don't even know if people who
are playing in high stakes fantasy football leagues are always
thinking about it either. But you know, really you should
want your rosters to complement one another. You should want
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the various parts of your rosters to work with one another. Yeah,
I mean take it from me, who really I don't
want to oversell myself, but mastered the art of mass
multi entry in football last season where I started including
quarterbacks like Ryan Fitzpatrick into builds just because you knew
it was gonna get you enough exposure to someone like
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a DeVante Parker on a week where you like DeVante Parker,
and that's how you should be thinking about, you know,
stacking in in these sort of leagues. It's the way
we think about stacking in daily Fantasy Baseball is like
if you get the situation correct, you don't want to
have to be you know, too perfect, where like someone
just drafting the best values might end up with a
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zach Ertz and someone like Dak Prescott is their quarterbacks.
But if the if you know, zach Ertz has a massive,
massive year and scores you know, thirteen fourteen touchdowns, it's
likely because Carson Wentz had a lot to do with that.
So if you get zach Ertz right, uh, you know,
it's it's like daily Fantasy football. In a week where
you get Davanta Parker, right, Ryan Fitzpatrick could be QB
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three on the week, but because you had you know
a lot of exposure to DeVante Parker in doing that, uh,
you're still you still have a shot for a massive
first prize. And I think that is how you have
to look at these sort of leagues is your margin
for error is is greater. You can make more mistakes
if your staff hits big time. And that's why we're
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talking about. This is like, if you have a Daniel
Jones forty touchdown season, which is the reason you're drafting him,
why wouldn't you you know, kind of try and and
propel that advantage into some of the receivers too, because
if he's gonna get you there, you expect one of
these guys to have a breakout year, and you just
want to have all of that, which is the way
that you could potentially get a first pride, which is
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why we played daily fantasy football that way. That's why
in these big money leagues you want to play the
exact same way. Yeah, I completely agree, And I think
the easiest way to explain why stacking works is a
situation that we have all been in, you know, literally
literally hundreds of times. You know, since the beginning of
fantasy football. You've been sitting there looking at your flex spot,
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looking at your wide receiver three, and you've been thinking, Okay,
you know, do I want to go Anthony Miller or
Nicole Hardman. Do I want to go nikeem Hinz or
Tony Pollard? You know, assuming that Ezekiel Elliott is healthy,
do I want to go Chase Edmonds or turret Co,
and you know, just all these guys who project super similarly,
the team totals are super similar, and you just you
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just don't really know what you want to do. And
stacking specifically in two quarterback leagues, which by the way,
are you know, really becoming more and more than norm
you know, Ricky, in these dynasty leagues that you and
I play in. I think every dynasty startup that we
did this offseason at Daily Rhodo literally all of them
were two quarterback or super flex, And you know then,
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and I actually think in super flex, stacking becomes even
more important because you have even more of a benefit
of correlation. Actually, have you been playing dfs long enough
to remember playing on Draft Street? Yes? Draft Street was
like they had there, that was just their normal game.
So like, oh man, this is such a throwback for
those of us who have been in the Daily Fantasy
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and the sports betting industry for a long time. But
you know, basically back in the day on Draft Street,
you know, their main g vps there, their live finals
and everything were two quarterbacks, which, like the game, theory
of stacking in that format was so massive and honestly
was like unexplored. I remember back then, it wasn't like
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it wasn't like everyone in your contest would be doing that.
You would you would have been like out on a
limb to have been heavily stacking both of your quarterbacks.
Then Yeah, Unfortunately there's at that same advantage in daily
fantasy these days, but in yearly league there definitely is
where someone will be so high on like the quarterback
they have to get, and they don't realize that then
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they should be completing the stack to try and just
you know, exploit what you feel is your edge. If
the game has become where do I find an edge
basically in daily, in season wherever. And if you have
a love for a quarterback, it's just strange to me
unless the guy's name is Lamar Jackson, that you wouldn't
have love for some of the past catchers on the
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same team. And I know a lot of the drafts
that we've been discussing recently are of the snake variety,
but I know there's a lot of people out there
that A aren't afraid to reach in snakes or be
will play in auction leagues. And I just don't understand
why you would be so high on a quarterback and
not go out of your way to then get one
of the receivers unless you feel like it's just going
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to be a complete spread offense. And in these days,
it doesn't feel like there's too many of the is
in the NFL. Yeah, I definitely think that's true. You
also made another interesting point there, which is like in
an auction league, like specifically, if you were if you're
doing a one year like a redraft auction league, why
would you not just be all in on stacking Like
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if you get if you get Patrick Mahomes, you gotta
get Tyreek, you gotta get Kelsey, if you get Lamar,
you gotta get Marquis brule because at that point you're
not even overspending in terms of average draft position, like
you you're just going, uh, you're just basically, uh, you're
paying appropriate prices and and you know, completing the voltron
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of a fantasy football team. Yeah. I remember my most
dominant Two of my most dominant fantasy football teams in
my career were one year where I drafted Tom Brady.
Randy Moss won too that year, And honestly, I was
doing it for the fun, not even for the strategy
at that point in my career, like not realizing that
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that was like money if it hit, and it did it.
And another was a year with Peyton Manning into Marius
Thomas in an auction and I just fell into it,
and for some reason it still took me a few
more years to be like, well, the reason those teams
were so dominant is because you had an amazing quarterback
with a receiver having like historically good years. And I
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think people should be thinking like that is, like, if
I'm going to dominate this league, what's the best way
to do it is it's to nitpick, like this receiver
is gonna be the wide receiver one, this receiver is
gonna be the wide receiver one here? Or is it
just to find the dominant offense and just you know,
kind of go as all in as you possibly can.
And we we see it in in all formats, and
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I think people need to get used to just committing
fully to the strategy and maybe even giving up slight
value in like a in like a Snake League, like
I'm planning to do in Scott Fish to get some
of those giants receivers because I know that now that
I have Daniel Jones I'm just flat out gonna need
the Giants to be good to win or else I'm
not winning. So that's really interesting, which is that I
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think people do forget fantasy football is a weekly game,
and you know, it might even be possible that you
could draft a you know, a wide receiver in round
eight who gets outscored by someone immediately next to him,
and it's still possible that you made the right selection
just because the weeks where you start him, he's going
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to correlate with your quarterback, you know, whoever it might be,
maybe you draft two different quarterbacks. And in best ball specifically,
what we really care about and and really you should
even care about in weekly leagues is like, is there
really a difference between four and nine points, like functionally,
like like on a weekly basis. No, but there is
definitely a difference between ten points and eighteen points, because
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it's all about it's all about finding those weekly difference makers,
and you're so much more likely to find difference makers
in your lineup when you find a correlation exactly. And
there's I mean, there's only so many ways we could
we could say that without and giving you examples of
players that you you likely want to be stacking, and
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if we're talking about any sort of best ball, it
just feels like you want to find a way at
if at all possible, especially if you're drafting like two
three quarterbacks and when you get down to your third quarterback, Um,
you want to find a way to have the correlation
because the reason you have that many quarterbacks on your
roster in a league like a best ball league is
because you you want them to to kind of take
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up the slack on the weeks that they have massive weeks.
And if they're going to have those massive weeks, it's
because receivers are gonna go off. You're gonna have guys
with over a hundred yards scoring touchdowns. And so you
know late in draft where you could get guys who
could fall into bigger roles on the same teams, Like
why wouldn't you want to take that risk? It's low
risk at the end of your draft anyways, and you
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want to find weeks where you could plug holes on
like a sinking ship when your star quarterback has its
worst week. And what better way to do that than
it's just maximized, you know, using an entire different team
that week. Yeah, and I you know, I also think
a um, you know, a great way to think about
stacking is, you know, obviously you have to make draft
picks in between you know, rounds fifteen and twenty and
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these best ball drafts, and you're not gonna feel strong
conviction about either one of them. So correlating those picks
to your quarterbacks or you know, to your your running
backs or whatever. Like. You know, so if you take
Deshaun Watson, your late round picks you know become Kenny
Stills and and Ryndall Cobb. If you take Aaron Rodgers,
you can take you know, Alan Lazard, Marquees, Vade Scantling,
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j Sternberger. If you take Lamar Jackson, you can take
Miles Boykin. If you take Patrick Mahomes, you can take
Sammy Watkins. Instead of just trying to kind of you know, uh,
you know, search through the dark and find the best place,
because the truth is we don't really know who the
best plays are, especially before the season. Are there any
like places you would you would draw the line like,
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is it Larry Fitzgerald, like an upside guy late who
you would be pairing with Kyler Murray? Or would you
just say to yourself like maybe this is a spot
where I need to, like, instead of stacking, go in
a different direction, or maybe just take a higher upside
player on the same team. Um, I mean I the
way that I approached Kyler Murray teams is I select
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Andy Isabella in the fourth round. I think you make
a great point though, when thinking about stacking, you can
take floor players like I. Actually, it's gonna sound so
weird for me to say this, because I'm such a
noted hater of olds, but I actually think you can
take Larry Fitzgerald reasonably in in bestball with Kyler, especially
if you don't get DeAndre Hopkins, because they don't have
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a tight end that's going to encroach on his targets
at all. Yeah. I agree. And by the way, I've
fallen into Larry Fitzgerald a lot of best balls just
because I've gone cheap with my like later round receivers.
I've like invested in an early receiver too, so He's
just kind of made sense for me. But I just
wanted to see your opinion on on where the line
is drawn. Yeah, alright, everyone, We're gonna go head and
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head into our final break here on the Daily Road
to hour on sports Grade TV. When we return, we
will dig a little bit out of theory land and
go back to some actual practical applications to how we
can make your fantasy football teams better. In twenty we
will be breaking down our favorite stacks to be doing
in all types of different formats, best ball regular tournaments,
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every every way that you can't imagine. So we will
see you guys in just a few minutes on the
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back from Break. Here on the daily Road to hour
on Sports Grade TV. I'm Davis Mannock, joined by Ricky Sanders.
In our third segment, we discussed stacking in fantasy football,
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why it is so important, why it is imperative that
you do it in every format, best ball regular tournament.
You know, your your twelve team league with your buddies,
your ten team home league with your buddies, you know,
doesn't doesn't particularly matter. And Ricky, I think now we
need to we need to dive out of theory land
and we need to we need to bring the people
back to to what we are all. Uh, you know
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what we're all here for, which is the picks, because
you gotta just pick the right players at the end
of the day. You can you can have all the theory,
you can have the perfect structure, but it doesn't really
matter if you don't pick the best players. Yeah, and
I'm gonna start with one of my favorite stacks that
I think is attainable in and basically all formats, whether
it's you know, auction, whether it's a Snake league. And
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that's once you've drafted Kelvin Ridley, who I I really
am passing on Julio Jones specifically for this year. Look,
I think Julio Jones is a great receiver, but I
think there's a very good chance that Calvin Ridley is
on par with his production. And I think there's a
greater than ten percent chance that he's the number one
guy in this offense. And once you've gone with him,
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you might as well go Matt Ryan and part of
The reason that I'm so all in on that stack
is the fact that I don't have faith in Todd
Gurley's knee apparently like the Falcons do, or like a
lot of the fantasy football community does, and if their
running game is struggling, you could see some serious volume
from Matt Ryan to the point where honestly, both Julio
Jones and Ridley can get it done. But where we've
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talked stacks this whole time, and we've talked you know,
We've mentioned the name Patrick Mahomes, we mentioned the name
Lamar Jackson. Look, you're probably not landing Patrick Mahomes and
Tyreek Hill in any leagues unless you're absolutely reaching. But
I think this one is absolutely attainable because Matt Ryan
always seems to even in like your average Joe league's
fall to like the six seventh round sort of place.
I think you can nab Calvin Ridley Matt Ryan back
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to back in these sort of drafts and feel really
good about having the potential for an upper echelon offense
that could go off and a given week. Yeah, I
completely agree with you, and I think you I think
you do make a great point, which is that you
know likely in a one quarterback league, which probably most
people listen to this are playing. You know, it's just
you're you're not gonna have Patrick Mahomes. You're not gonna
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have Lamar Jackson, and um, you know. The the cool
thing about best ball is you're gonna get some insane
performances out of your quarterbacks here there, you know, and
and you want it. You want to correlate those really properly,
which is of course, you know the reason for stacking
so a cheap one that I really love is DJ
Shark and Gardner Minshew. I think Shark is, you know,
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really one of these guys who is a couple of
years from now, we're gonna look back on things and
be like, you know, DJ Shark really is one of
the ten best wide receivers in football. You know, he
really is in that class with you know guys we
think of now it's like, you know, Julio Jones and
Odell Beckham and Allen Robinson. Like I think DJ Shark,
like DJ Shark might end up being, you know, really
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like the new verse of Alan Robinson, which is crazy,
but I you know, I do actually think that Shark
is that talented for sure. And then Minshew is totally free.
You can take him with the last pick in your draft.
And Ricky, I actually think people don't realize that he runs.
He ran for three sixty yards last year no rushing touchdown,
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so a little bit of bad luck there and that
that rushing upside. You know, you you basically add five
extra touchdowns over the course of a year if you're
a quarterback that runs a little bit. I am I
am all over this one for best ball. Yeah, And
it's interesting because d J Shark was basically only a
target a game above d D. Westbrook last year. Uh
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seven point nine for Shark, d D. Westbrook six point seven,
timely five point six. But I still think I would
take the over on eight targets a game for Chart
this year, even with Lavisco Channault there, because I think
and I think you think as well, that Leonard four
Nette is going to be the one suffering with with
the way they gonna use Channel, which they're gonna use
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him out of the backfield. That's gonna be a thing.
They're basically going to use him everywhere, and he's going
to get a bunch of the short targets that we're
going elsewhere. But I still think that Chark is going
to be used as the true number one. And with
only eighteen targets in fifteen games, he went over a
thousand yards with eight t d s last year. Uh,
what are you setting the over under at for targets
this year? If you like him? He was at one
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eighteen last year with a game missed. Let's assume a
sixteen game pace. You think one or higher? Higher for sure? Yeah, no,
no doubt about it. Yeah, I think I probably think
the over unders somewhere around like one thirty two and
a half. I would I think I would take the
over all the way up to like one thirty nine.
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And I think there is a total like let's say Channel,
you know, kind of takes a little while to get ready. Tyler,
if you know, is banged up to start the year.
I I think he could see like some absurd Davante
Adams level volume because he is so much better than
the other wide receivers on that roster. Yeah, Channel takes
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a while to get ready. I feel like Dee De
has kind of worn out his welcome to the point
that I think they would try to get you know,
maybe some of the receiving backs involved. If Channault was struggling,
maybe more Chris Thompson, maybe more of Josh Oliver, who's
an up and coming tight end. I mean, maybe they
would go elsewhere, but I think, yeah, pretty much any scenario,
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you're getting a big target year out of Chark unless
Chault just becomes like their Percy Harvin in year one,
which I don't see. Yeah, I I I don't see
that one either. Okay, what is that? What is another
affordable stack that you are that you are in on,
you know, not not Lamar or not, you know, not
not Michael Thomas, Drew Brees, one that that people can
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actually put together. So I'm gonna stay on brand with
the way I just drafted an SFB and go Daniel Jones.
I think he's much better and like your average format
than he is in this s B format because you
have the incompletions, which I don't love. But hey, he
was there. I think I took him at QB twenty
uh so nineteen guys were selected before him, and I
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felt good with that. Then the question becomes who do
you pair him with? I think Evan Ingram is probably
a pipe dream in terms of like affordable affordability. So
I think I would go back to the well with
Sterling Shepherd here. But I think it's possible for you
to draft multiple of his receivers and you know, basically
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feel good about it because I think Daniel Jones has
the potential to throw for forty touchdowns. I think he's
gonna be throwing early and often. There may be some
interceptions along the way, but I think this this Giant's
offense is gonna be pretty good. And if it's pretty good, John,
you're gonna need Jones. So I think Jones and Shepherd,
but I am not basically averse to taking either Slaton
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or take along with it and you can kind of
as the season goes along, rotate them in. Uh. Yeah,
I am. I'm not opposed. I'm not opposed that I
actually love that one. Um huge for that one is
going to be if Evan Ingram is healthy. You know
the research that we have available on guys who suffer
that Liz Frank injury and then the next year it's
not great. Now, of course, every year modern medicine gets
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a little bit better. You know, the athletes are even better.
You know, Evan Ingram is in a lot better shape
than guys who are getting Liz Frank injuries ten years ago.
And I I really love his upside for fantasy when
he's healthy. You know, I think he basically plays like
a wide receiver. So I am I am completely in
on that one. Daniel Jones actually just kind of overall
is kind of my answer to who is the guy that,
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uh you know, who is the guy that breaks fantasy
football in terms of late round QB scoring in you know,
really would not surprise me if, uh, you know, if
he is the guy who has the QB six season
while being drafted as like the QB eight teen exactly
that I'm right there with you. And if it's not him,
uh hey, he's being drafted his QB fourteen and this
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football Guys Championships, so you can just pair him with
another quarterback. I think any Ben Roethlisberger stack is going
to be affordable because Ben Roethlisberger is so affordable. So
whoever you take with him, I know, the masses a
lot on Deonte Johnson. I'm more of the train of
thought that Juju Smith Schuster is gonna get back and
going as soon as Ben Roethlisberger is there, So that
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Juju ben stack that I think people are a year
removed from being burned from has the potential to to
light the fantasy football landscape on fire. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I I I I completely agree with that one. Uh.
Some of the other ones that I think are in play.
I I love the Carson Wentz wide receiver of your
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choice now this one obviously, I think if you take
Zach Ertz in the third round, you should basically be like, Okay,
I will take Carson Wentz, you know, a full round
ahead of ADP because I need to finish this one out.
But the way that the Eagles wide receiver situation is
set up right now, if you have a strong conviction there,
you can just get your dude. Because reagor just On Jackson,
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al Sean Jeffrey are like a white side, even Dallas Goddard.
I mean, these guys are stone cold free. You can
select them, you know, in the thirteenth round or later basically,
And I mean I I guarantee one of those guys
will be good for fantasy. I don't know which one
because we don't know how Sean Jeffrey's health, Sean Jackson
might get cut. We don't know if Jalen Reagor is
gonna be ready to go. Obviously he hasn't even gotten
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the Eagles training camp yet. J j R. Sag A
Whiteside didn't play at all last year, but one, I mean,
one of those guys is going to be good. They
have to be right. Yeah, I think Raagor's the guy
that I would be betting on the situation where Jackson
just got a lot murkier and we were already off
all Sean Jeffreys. So I think they drafted Reagor knowing
that they needed some wide receiver production this year with
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the unsharety around him. They actually added some other receivers
as well, So I think they realized that the production
was going to be shaky and you can't just rely
on the tight end. So I think Reagor gets it,
gets a large target share in year one. Yeah, I
I definitely, um, I I definitely think that is possible. Um. Alright,
round us out here with another another stack that you
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are into a cheaper one. Well, I'm a believer in
Alan lizards. There's been a wide receiver two on the Packers,
So what the hell what does Aaron Rodgers have left?
I mean I want to say something with Matthew Stafford
because I'm so in on him. The problem is, I
think you want Kenny Galladay if you're going with him
with Aaron Rodgers, you can get some more affordable pass catchers.
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And look, he's not dead yet. And I think Lazard
is being underdrafted if you, you know, take into consideration
who the other guys to get targets are. Sure we
could see, you know, Davante Adams just run away with
the target share. But I think Lazard has the possibility
you know, for over a thousand yards this year. Uh yeah,
I I definitely, I definitely agree with that. Um. And
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I think that the main reason why this one is
so interesting is everyone is kind of taking Green Bay's
word for it that they are going to be a
more aggressive running team. You know, they draft a j Dillon.
Uh they haven't paid Aaron Jones yet, though they probably
will be, and everyone's just like, oh, well, you know
that just it is the way it is. They're going
to run the ball more. But they went thirteen and
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three last year, getting so lucky. They're not going to
get that lucky this year. They're gonna be in way
more competitive game. Scripts. You know, do we think that
actually they're gonna be a way more pass heavy team
and there's gonna be a role there for Ja Sternberger
and a role for Marcus Volas Scandling and Al Lazard
and Aaron Jones can catch sixty passes, Like I kind
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of think things could go that direction with them. I
do too, Like they think they're just gonna run all
over teams, and actually that division is somewhat competitive. I
think the Lions have a potential to show up this
year and surprise some people. So, yeah, exactly, I think
not only could they be more pass heavy, but I
think people aren't really committing to just how solidified I
think the role is for Lazard at wide receiver too. Yeah. Um,
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and it does seem pretty solidified because they would have
drafted somebody, right if they really viewed that problem as
a concern. I know, we think that the Packers had
a bad draft, and they did have a bad draft,
but you know, it's like it would be an inexcusably
bad draft to the point where, like, you know, the
Gutencoist would have been fired for sure, if if the
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team did not believe in you know, one of Equanimius,
st Brown, Marquez, Valda, Scaling alan OUs. Heard. By the way,
what a great bunch of names the Green Bay Packers
wide receiver crew has you just it's just absolutely hilarious.
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this stuff down throughout the course of the off season,
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daily Roto hour here on sports Grade TV. My name
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Davis Maddock. I'm joined today by Ricky Sanders and it
is Scott fish Bowl week. If you are unfamiliar with
the Scott Fish Bowl, it is a large fantasy football tournament,
actually really the largest fantasy football tournament. UH, and all
the proceeds generated from the draft go for charity. UH.
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Both fans of the fantasy football industry and analysts in
the fantasy football industry are invited on a yearly basis.
And Ricky, you and I are are both in the
draft this year that we are in different divisions. Why
don't you tell people a little bit about the Scott
Fish Ball. So the Scott Fish Ball is interesting because
the scoring changes each year, so every year you have
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to do your research and this year, um, well, hey,
there's a ton of divisions, which are twelve teams deep
in the divisions, which we should probably talk about. UH.
And there's a draft on my Fantasy league dot com.
And this year the rules were, I don't even know
how you describe them, like simply the rules were basically
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they were passing completions and in completions added for quarterbacks.
So I mean, it's kind of your standard scoring. There's
six points for passing touchdown, so maybe that's more than
like the average for passing touchdown, you know, point league.
And there's points for first downs in this league, so
you know, last year it was more heavily weighted towards
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tight ends. This year it's more heavily weighted towards UH,
basically accurate quarterbacks and those who are receiving a heavy workload,
both UH from a rushing and eaving perspective, because you
do want all those first downs. And basically the draft
starts for everyone all these divisions at the same time.
And you can see on Twitter if you see that
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hashtag sfb X, that's people talking about their draft and
or everyone else's. So if you're confused on Twitter, why
you see that hashtag over and over and over be confused,
no more. Yeah, so expect. The way I would define
the scoring, Ricky is it's an attempt to make all
four positions equal. Right to make quarterbacks have, you know,
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to make the thirty second quarterback a guy who needs
to be rostered, to make the tight end valuable, because
not only are we getting points for first sounds, but
tight ends get extra points for first down, extra points
for perceptions. You know. So I love it. I love
a hyper balance format like this. Yeah, I do too,
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And it's crazy to see, like, even through three rounds,
the difference in opinion across the industry of how people
have a act this draft. You've seen people with two
quarterbacks out of the first three rounds. You've seen people
you know, not take running backs basically till the tenth round.
You've seen people load up on receivers. You've seen so
many different strategies because of this scoring that I wish
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that more leagues were like this, where people could basically
look at it and think about it the way that
they want, and there would be so many unique builds
that you're just not used to seeing. I love the
way they they've approached it this year. Yeah, so, uh,
you know this is I think, you know, one of
the you know, one of the This is kind of
the beginning of the fantasy football season for most people.
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This is when people start to really grind. You know,
we have there were scott Fish Bowl mock drafts, and
you know, just just many people are starting to get
really excited about fantasy football at this time. So it's always,
you know, it's always a a great time of the
year for all of us. And uh, how are you
how are you feeling about your draft so far? How many?
How many years in a row have you participate in this?
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This has gotta be at least year five ish. I've
been in this for a while. Um. Last year was
the first year that my team went deep into the playoffs.
I've had some injuries, kind of bone meter in some
previous seasons. I've had some not great drafts, and last
year finally felt good about it. And so I think
we're on about year five. If if I had to,
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you know, testify under oath, but I feel good. I mean,
I was just playing the let's go best available game
and I went wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver, which
I feel like has not been the consensus I've seen
so many drafts where quarterbacks were flying off the board,
and I happened to be fortunate enough to play in
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a division where quarterbacks seemed to fly early. And then
people decided, like after basically Carson Wentz, that they were
fine slowing down. So basically taking the wide receivers didn't
cost me as much as I thought it was as
I thought it was at the quarterback a position, and
so God's felt that I like. So I think from
a value perspective, I have been doing very well. If
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you want to just go pick by pick so far,
pick one oh six. I took Michael Thomas, which I
think some you know in other drafts that I was
seeing Michael Thomas because he was a receiver, was going
like one ten uh, so I think I was early
on him there. Then Davante Adams, then DeAndre Hopkins, then
James Conner because I felt like I needed a back.
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Then your boy Cam Akers. Then the quarterbacks fell Daniel Jones,
Jared Goff, and Mike get Sticky. Is where I am
through eight rounds. What do you think, Davis? Because I
feel pretty confident about that, to be honest, Yeah, you know,
I I like, I like your start I think, um,
you know, the tricky part you run into with this
scoring is you know, I do, I do think you
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are giving up quite a bit if you don't have
an elite quarterback coming out of the first two rounds.
So I actually the first time ever. I've also done
this for about five years. I'm not even I'm not
even exactly sure you know how many years in a
row I've done it. But this is, I know, the
first year that I ever started with. Not only have
I never taken a quarterback in the first round before,
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but I selected two quarterbacks with my first two picks.
I took Patrick Mahomes in the first round at the
one oh four, and then I selected Kyler Murray in
the second round with the two oh nine. I briefly
considered taking well not briefly, actually, I I really I
really thought about it, um that you know, I wanted
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to take Tyreek Hill to complete the stack with Patrick Mahomes.
You know, I do think, uh basically, I think that
in this format, this tournament format, you absolutely have to
be stacking or you're pretty much dead in the water
to win the overall. But I ended up taking Karl Murray.
I mean, how do you feel about that, Ricky, starting
with two quarterbacks overall, I mean that was my initial
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plan going in. I just didn't want to take Dak
Prescott at six. Both Mahomes and Um and Lamar Jackson
were gone by then, so it was basically Michael Thomas
receivers or Kelsey and I started Kelsey last year, so
I just kind of wanted to do something different. And
with the first downs, I mean, who's gonna catch more
first downs than Michael Thomas with the ridiculous volume that
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he received. So for me personally, I wanted to go
with some version of your strategy. I just couldn't pull
it off in the draft spot I was in. I
thought it's unique, that's for sure. I mean, Patrick Mahomes
to me makes so much sense in this format. I
would have loved to have gotten him. I'm not sure
where I stand on Kyler Murray. I guess you're probably
gonna get a bunch of rushing first downs with him
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because of the way he uses his legs, But the
completions and in completions is where it'll be. It'll be
interesting to see the development for Kyler Murray in year
two because it's either gonna be a reach if we
get like an inconsistent Kyler Murray who can't finish, you know,
drives off in the red zone, you see a bunch
of completions, or you get the second year growth with
him having a true number one receiver in the Andre Hopkins,
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and he's gonna be worth every bit of a second rounder,
could be pushing first round value in this draft. So
I think it was a little bit risky. But because
of the wide receivers that you landed after those two,
I think you have to be feeling really really good
about what you've done. Yeah, And I think the best
part to me about the Scott Fish Bowl, I think
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is you I don't actually think there's a way you
can leave your draft feeling really good about your team,
even even if you have the best possible team. And
our buddy JJ Zacharies and at the late round QB
he pretty much has I think what I've seen to
be the you know, the best overall team thus far.
His his drafty. They just gave it up to him.
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So he's selecting from the one oh two and uh.
He started with Kenyan dre Or, he started with sa
Kwon Barkley. Then he took Kenyan Drake, then he got
Mark Andrews in this hyper tight end premium format, then
Chris Godwin, then d J. Moore and his league mates.
You'd be thinking, oh, well, he's screwed at quarterback, right,
And no he's not Josh Allen and Jared Goff. He's
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able to get at the six eleven and the seven
oh two. So unless unless you are doing unless your
league just gives it to you like that, I think
you're pretty much always leaving your draft hating at least
one of your positions. Yeah, and it's so deep, the
amount of guys that you have to start in this league,
we should mention that you basically have to start I
think it's, uh, is it nine flex players if you
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include tight end, so it's you have to start one quarterback,
two running backs, three wide receivers. But then there's four
flex spots, with one being a super flex exactly. So
by the time you get to the end, I mean,
you think you're gonna be running thin somewhere. But if
you have a league like JJ's where you have DJ
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more Fall is your fifth guy, uh, it's just really
hard to say anything bad about this team. I guess
if you had to nitpick here, it's Josh Allen isn't
a perfect fit for this format. But then again, I
have Daniel Jones is myke qb one who's just kind
of the guy who fell, and t Y Hilton. I mean,
he's relying on the heavy volume from a small aging receiver,
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which you may not get. But I think that's pretty
much nitpicking considering he got Mike Kisiki around later than
I did, he got Jared Goff the same round. I mean,
he's just had a phenomenal draft. Yeah. Uh. And and
I think this is the biggest element of strategy that
is different in the Scott Fish Bowl versus a normal league,
is you really can because you could start up to seven,
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but more you know, more likely six guys. I I
really think that it is fine to draft like five
or six straight wide receivers because you know, if we're
just thinking of like twenty nineteen points, you know, Terry
McLaurin is going to outscore Levian Bell, uh, Keenan Allen
is going to outscore David Montgomery. And you know, in
a normal league where you're thinking of like running backs,
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of running back scoring and ceilings and everything, you know,
you you'd probably rather have David monca or and then
Keenan Allen. But in this format, I don't even really
think it's close. I think you are just wanting to
jam in the wide receivers. Yeah. The thing is is
that wide receivers in a bunch of these leagues have
seemed to have fallen. So I think it it makes
sense to have two ample running backs that you that
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you have some form of faith in, just because you're
probably gonna be able to get some receivers later that
you would have in other leagues. So from an opportunity
cost perspective, I mean, if you're trying to start a
guy who's gonna get you know, five to ten touches
a week as opposed to a second workhorse, I don't
think there's gonna be as big a discrepancy between like
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the wide receiver you would get in the ninth round
the wide receiver you would get in the fourth round,
because of how far guys are falling. Yeah, I I
certainly think that's true. I mean, I uh, you know,
in it is not uncommon to be sitting there in
the eighth round and be seeing guys who you know,
literally in some drafts. Uh so, So, for example, right
now in the eighth round in my league, they're still
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available Stephon Diggs, Tyler Lockett, DeVante Parker, Tyler Board, Marquis Brown.
And that you know, not to mention in terms of
super flex leagues, because my league has kind of just
been so running back. Every Joe Burrow is still there too,
was still there, Drew Locks, Sam Donald, Tenny Bridgewater, Justin Herbert,
Derek Carr, Philip Rivers, Dayne Haskins. I mean, there's loads
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of value to be had if your lead goes heavy
on the running backs exactly, which I feel like a
bunch of them did. And then you know, if you
just have one or two backs that you feel good about,
you could really just load up on receivers, and if
you hit at all with your late round backs, you
could just cruise in this league. So there's different ways
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to look at it. I personally wanted two backs I
felt good about, but I think that's it for me
for running backs for a while. I want to just
now draft best available players and considering the backs that
are left, which are basically all guys in splits. At
this point, I thought Devin Singletary was the last like
true guy on the heaviest ode of a workload. Now
I'm just you know, basically which wide receiver and or
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tight end looks like he's going to score the most
points and boom come to my roster for quite a while. Yeah, alright, everyone,
we're gonna head to break. We'll be back here in
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than get on the grid. Sports grid dot Com. Hello everyone,
and welcome back from Break. Here on the daily Road
to hour on Sports Grade TV. I'm Davis Mannock here
today with Ricky Sanders. We are covering the scott Fish
Bowl right now, a massive charity fantasy football tournament to
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use to basically raise money for Toys for Tots and
a bunch of other child focused charities. Scott Fish organizes
it every year over four hundred participants this season. Ricky
and I are are both to be participating this year.
It's a unique format in which you can start two
quarterbacks uh. And also there are points for you lose
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points for being sacked, lose points for in completing passes,
but you gain points for completions, you gain points for
first down. So a very interesting wrinkly format, Ricky, why
don't you tell us what your your entire roster is?
So so far started with Michael Thomas at the six pick.
Davante Adams fell to the next round, so I felt
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really good having what I viewed as the top two receivers.
And then coming back, I mean there were some receivers
taken that you know, Tyreek Kill was taken before DeAndre Hopkins,
so I was like, all right, if DeAndre Hopkins is
gonna fall there, my other options were Zach Ertz, you
know Godwin. I felt pretty good about taking DeAndre Hopkins there,
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so I started receiver receiver receiver, and they could potentially
be the top three receivers in football, so I felt
really good about that. And then I had a decision
in on four basically Kenny Golladay or James Conner, and
I felt like the difference between them was so nominal
that I probably wanted the back, so I finally took
a back cam Akers, so I have you know, the
three receivers, two backs. Then the next two were Daniel Jones,
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who's not a perfect fit for this format, and then
Jared Goff, who I took over Ryan Tannehill and we
can we can talk about why uh in a little bit,
and then Mike Gisicky. So you know, I have the
positions that I felt like I needed to this point,
I just didn't do them in the order I thought
I was going to. You know, if Lamar Jackson were
to have fallen at me at six, that that's where
I really wanted to go. Did you think at all
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about taking Dak or Kyler there at six, or or
taking Travis Kelsey. I was between Thomas. Travis Kelsey and
Dak were my with the three that I was between,
because I felt like in this format the completion percentage
with Dak was was easier to rely on. But I
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just ended up going to Michael Thomas basically because I
had Travis Kelsey in this league last year and I
felt it was a little bit more tight end heavy,
uh And the first downs to me, Michael Thomas with
all those targets was just such a lot to be
there in terms of you know, league leaders in first down.
So yes, I considered those guys, but I didn't want
to reach on the quarterback, you know in Dak which
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it actually turned out to be a reach. Dack didn't
go until about ten picks later, when I can have
the best receiver in the league right there. Uh yeah,
I mean I think your start of Thomas Adams Hopkins
is for a format where people, I think format people
are clearly undervaluing wide receivers, right. DeAndre Hopkins going in
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the third round is absurd. You know, in this format
he should be closer to going as you know, closer
to going in the first round. Like like I think,
once you get past the five running backs, the two
quarterbacks and the two tight ends, I think you gotta
go Hopkins. And and so I love your I love
your start. Um. I love that you were like your
running backs are going to be better than mine for sure.
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You were able to get James Conner at the four
oh seven. James Conner was off the board when I
picked at the four oh nine. I mean that's who
I wanted. I I wanted I wanted. I wanted him
big time. And then I mean slam dunk with with
Connor and Acres, like you, you got to be feeling
very good about that start. Yeah, exactly. And I thought
I was gonna have a decision between Chris Carson and Acres,
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and Chris Carson ends up going two picks before me.
But I honestly, in this draft, I'm just playing for
the upside anyways, Like I feel better about Cam acres
chances to just blow the lid off this league than
I do Chris Carson with Carlos Hide added to the mix.
So I'm playing for upside. I mean, this is a
free league, and even if it wasn't, I mean, you're
playing in the league with so many teams you want
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to be shooting for first place. Out of this many teams,
You've got to be taken chances. So I'd rather go
with the unknown of Cam Acres on a team where
it doesn't seem like either of the other running backs
have have earned any trust from the coaching staff. And
what if they give you know, Cam akers, you know,
after Game four, like a Todd Gurley workload, because they
just realized he's the guy. To me, I felt like
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I had to be taking him there. I was very
excited about taking him there. And yeah, I do feel
like I got the running backs. I needed to compliment
that Trio. I was feeling very good after that. I
don't know how I'm feeling after the quarterbacks, but at
round five, that was probably the peak of my emotions
in this draft. Yeah, I mean I I would I
would definitely be feeling good. Um, are you are? You?
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Are you tilted that you do not have a stack
built in right now? So you know you have Daniel
and not to say you couldn't you know, Sterling Shepherd,
Golden Tate, Darius Slay and all of those guys are
out there on the board. Uh, you've probably missed with
golf though. I guess you could be planning on taking
Gerald Everett, you know, with your eighteenth round pick or whatever. Uh,
you're assuming cam Akers is not going to be a
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receiving back. What if we have the greatest rookie receiving
season from a running back ever, all of a sudden,
We've got it, Jared Goff cam Akers stack. I actually
have a stack that probably own a productive unless we
have an offense that is amongst the most productive offenses
in the league. And I think the Rams with McVeigh
have a chance to bounce back. Remember Jared Goff through
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thirty two touchdowns two years ago. Uh so I think
that there is a potential for this offense to be
very good. But yeah, I was a little tilted. I
would have liked to have paired, you know, one of
these guys. Maybe I'll be searching for Sterling Shepherd rounds
round ten or eleven just to just to have that
with Daniel Jones. Um. But I feel okay just because
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of the value that I've gone with and I haven't
reached on guys, but it make it to the point
where I just need a Giants receiver or a Rams
you know, pass catcher. Yeah, I mean I think you
definitely are going to be wanting to target you know,
Slayton Tate Shepherd, Like I think those are guys are
pretty much a requirement for your roster, especially because you
have not taken a wide receiver sense of three or six.
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But you know this is your platform. Sell us, sell
us all on, Mr Mike GISICKI your boy. Well, first,
how many other players in this league do you know
they can throw a ball over a house and catch it? So,
I mean, does anything else really need to be said?
I know, there's no fantasy points awarded for that, but that, uh,
that athletic ability is what we love about Mike Kisiki.
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Down the stretch. He would score touchdowns at a furious pace.
I think he scored three touchdowns in his final four games.
And I guess the knock on him is that Chan
Gailey's there. But remember with Tony Gonzalez, Uh he was,
He still used him as a receiver and he had
a monster season. And Mike Kissicki is like the top
one percent athletic at the position. I mean, it's like him,
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Noah Fant and they're like Jimmy Graham and his prime
levels of athlete, and I think they're just too good
to be held down. This is now his third year.
It seems like he finally, you know, seemed to figure
it out down the stretch last year. And I don't
think the move to tah is going to be a
knock on him because two is known as like a
breeze type in terms of his efficiency, So I think
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he'll love having that big target in the short field.
I think there's a lot of signals that you know,
Mike Kisiki could be the breakout tight end of the year,
So I took him over Higbe and Gronkowski because I've
been talking to talk I gotta walk the walk. Yeah,
I mean you you definitely, you definitely are You're You're
sticking to the brand, and I think that's very important
in these tracks, right, like, like the most important thing
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is is just getting your dudes, especially because you know
it's a draft where we're sitting here drafting on you know,
July eighth or whatever. So you you definitely, you definitely
gotta get your dudes. Um. So I I am definitely
sticking to my brand in the sense of going about
a zero RB as possible. So after I, after I
took Mahomes and Kyler, I went uh DeAndre Hopkins to
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complete the stack. Then I took Jujus miss Schuster in
the fourth round. Then I took DJ Or, Then I
took A J. Brown, Then I took DJ Shark, and
then finally I took a running back in the seventh
round with J. K. Dobbins. I have a feeling, Ricky
that I'm gonna end up taking Mike Kaziki, which you know,
I mean at that point, like, what is my running
back to the situation gonna look like? How are how
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are you feeling on on my team? From the outside
looking in, I think you've got a good start, and
I think maybe the most off brand thing you did
all draft was passed on Raheem Most for j K. Dobbins.
I mean, if that's not a Davis Mannock like round
of applause moment. A guy scores double digit touchdown last
year and the best rushing offense and Davis still wants
no part of him, no part. I actually mentioned in
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our our private chat earlier, I was like, you know,
the greatest moment of a draft is when someone else
takes Raheem Most dirt, like in the fifth round, and
you're like, great, there was a pick. I wouldn't have
taken that guy in the seventh round. So I'm very
glad that he was off the board. Uh that that
was just a beautiful chef's kiss moment in your draft.
But I think you've gotta be feeling really good. It's
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just a matter of what you can do with that
next running back. But I think what you're probably going
to do is passed for a little just fill in
some of those you know, flex spots and then get
strength and numbers for your second running back and just
try and get lucky. I think that's probably the way
you're going to approach this, and just hope that if
one guy catapults into like being the guy all of
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a sudden, your team is gonna be really tough to
stop with those quarterbacks and those receivers. Yeah, I mean,
I think if things went perfectly according to plan, which
is uh, you know, obviously very hard to do. I
wanted Damian Williams to fall. His ADP has been in
like the eighth round in most of these, but he
went in the sixth round in ours, which you know
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I was I was not considering. I would, uh, some
of the guys I would be targeting at running back
coming up here would be Ronald Jones. You know, if
Ronald Jones is sitting there for me at the eight
oh nine, I'm going to think about that. Jordan Howard
is a guy I think his reasonable. Same for Matt
brit to his backfield mate, Tevin Coleman, Tony Pollard, Darryl Henderson.
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I kind of want I would like to be able
to basically spend the back half of the back half
of the draft, you know, ter picks twelve basically like, Okay,
I got my two tight ends, I have every wide
receiver I could ever want. I just need to be
getting running back after running back after running back. And uh,
you know, I it's gonna kind of depend on how
sharp my league mates are between you, because you know,
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there is a big difference in getting uh, you know,
Justin Jackson and Chase Edmonds versus getting Carlos Hide and
Eto Benjamin because like the the upsides, like the very
specific upside guys, if you're drafting with sharp drafters, those
guys are harder to accumulate. Yeah, I don't think luck
can be overstated in these drafts because it's not like,
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as much as we praised that draft from j J,
it's not like we would have done much different, right,
I mean, if d J. Moore was there available at five,
any single one of us would have taken him. If
Chris Godwin was available in the fourth round, any of
us would have done it. So part of these SFB
drafts is like what are the league mates around you
do and what can you kind of fall into by accident?
Like obviously you need to be sharp and identified that
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they those are the best available players, but when they're
they've fallen two rounds below where they should be. I mean,
obviously you're just gonna make the pick. Yeah, I definitely,
I definitely think that is true. You know, and if
I was, if I was going to take one pick
back here, um, I would not have taken A J.
Brown and I would have taken Cam Akers and said,
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I think I think there's a chance that that was
like a little bit of a structural mistake. Yeah. I
mean I feel like I would have had that same
thing had I taken Kenny Galladay over Connor, because I
really considered that and just like going crazy with the receivers,
but I felt at some point I needed to have
a back. I felt basically two backs I thought I
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wanted to have that I felt good about before I
started doing the Davis strategy of diving in the second
half of the draft. So yeah, I know this is
a draft where you have to start, you know, strength
and numbers. But I still feel because you have the
minimum two running backs that you want, at least two
running backs that you felt okay about. So I think
I agree with your assessment there. Yeah, I mean I
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feel I feel pretty good about the team. When we
returned We're going to go away from some of the
niche stuff and we're gonna talk about uh, some quarterback
wide receiver stacks in best Ball now that we do
have a Best Ball tournament out there, and just overall
some larger ADP conversations as we turn our eyes towards
the NFL season. So we are going to go ahead
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(27:07):
and welcome back from break here. On the Daily Roado
Hour on Sportscrade TV. I'm Davis mannis joined by Ricky Sanders.
In our first two segments, we covered the scott Fish Bowl,
a large charity fantasy football tournament over four people, a
lot of you know, pretty much all the illustrious names
in fantasy football taking place. Ricky and I lucky enough
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to get invited, and you know, we talked a little
bit about our teams, talked a little bit about what
we are trying to accomplish structurally, and I think, you know,
as we are getting closer to the football season happening,
as we are getting closer to you know, actually thinking
about building fantasy football teams, how we are going to
manage them in season, Ricky, I thought a really important
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subject to cover is stacking. And you know, I really
think that it's something that a lot of fantasy football
owners are not thinking about in you know, their regular
team leagues. And I don't even know if people who
are playing in high stakes fantasy football leagues are always
thinking about it either. But you know, really you should
want your rosters to complement one another. You should want
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the various parts of your rosters to work with one another. Yeah,
I mean take it from me, who really I don't
want to oversell myself, but mastered the art of mass
multi entry in football last season where I started including
quarterbacks like Ryan Fitzpatrick into builds just because you knew
it was gonna get you enough exposure to someone like
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a DeVante Parker on a week where you like DeVante Parker,
and that's how you should be thinking about, you know,
stacking in in these sort of leagues. It's the way
we think about stacking in daily Fantasy Baseball is like
if you get the situation correct, you don't want to
have to be you know, too perfect, where like someone
just drafting the best values might end up with a
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zach Ertz and someone like Dak Prescott is their quarterbacks.
But if the if you know, zach Ertz has a massive,
massive year and scores you know, thirteen fourteen touchdowns, it's
likely because Carson Wentz had a lot to do with that.
So if you get zach Ertz right, uh, you know,
it's it's like daily Fantasy football. In a week where
you get Davanta Parker, right, Ryan Fitzpatrick could be QB
(29:18):
three on the week, but because you had you know
a lot of exposure to DeVante Parker in doing that, uh,
you're still you still have a shot for a massive
first prize. And I think that is how you have
to look at these sort of leagues is your margin
for error is is greater. You can make more mistakes
if your staff hits big time. And that's why we're
(29:39):
talking about. This is like, if you have a Daniel
Jones forty touchdown season, which is the reason you're drafting him,
why wouldn't you you know, kind of try and and
propel that advantage into some of the receivers too, because
if he's gonna get you there, you expect one of
these guys to have a breakout year, and you just
want to have all of that, which is the way
that you could potentially get a first pride, which is
(30:00):
why we played daily fantasy football that way. That's why
in these big money leagues you want to play the
exact same way. Yeah, I completely agree, And I think
the easiest way to explain why stacking works is a
situation that we have all been in, you know, literally
literally hundreds of times. You know, since the beginning of
fantasy football. You've been sitting there looking at your flex spot,
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looking at your wide receiver three, and you've been thinking, Okay,
you know, do I want to go Anthony Miller or
Nicole Hardman. Do I want to go nikeem Hinz or
Tony Pollard? You know, assuming that Ezekiel Elliott is healthy,
do I want to go Chase Edmonds or turret Co,
and you know, just all these guys who project super similarly,
the team totals are super similar, and you just you
(30:43):
just don't really know what you want to do. And
stacking specifically in two quarterback leagues, which by the way,
are you know, really becoming more and more than norm
you know, Ricky, in these dynasty leagues that you and
I play in. I think every dynasty startup that we
did this offseason at Daily Rhodo literally all of them
were two quarterback or super flex, And you know then,
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and I actually think in super flex, stacking becomes even
more important because you have even more of a benefit
of correlation. Actually, have you been playing dfs long enough
to remember playing on Draft Street? Yes? Draft Street was
like they had there, that was just their normal game.
So like, oh man, this is such a throwback for
those of us who have been in the Daily Fantasy
(31:28):
and the sports betting industry for a long time. But
you know, basically back in the day on Draft Street,
you know, their main g vps there, their live finals
and everything were two quarterbacks, which, like the game, theory
of stacking in that format was so massive and honestly
was like unexplored. I remember back then, it wasn't like
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it wasn't like everyone in your contest would be doing that.
You would you would have been like out on a
limb to have been heavily stacking both of your quarterbacks.
Then Yeah, Unfortunately there's at that same advantage in daily
fantasy these days, but in yearly league there definitely is
where someone will be so high on like the quarterback
they have to get, and they don't realize that then
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they should be completing the stack to try and just
you know, exploit what you feel is your edge. If
the game has become where do I find an edge
basically in daily, in season wherever. And if you have
a love for a quarterback, it's just strange to me
unless the guy's name is Lamar Jackson, that you wouldn't
have love for some of the past catchers on the
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same team. And I know a lot of the drafts
that we've been discussing recently are of the snake variety,
but I know there's a lot of people out there
that A aren't afraid to reach in snakes or be
will play in auction leagues. And I just don't understand
why you would be so high on a quarterback and
not go out of your way to then get one
of the receivers unless you feel like it's just going
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to be a complete spread offense. And in these days,
it doesn't feel like there's too many of the is
in the NFL. Yeah, I definitely think that's true. You
also made another interesting point there, which is like in
an auction league, like specifically, if you were if you're
doing a one year like a redraft auction league, why
would you not just be all in on stacking Like
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if you get if you get Patrick Mahomes, you gotta
get Tyreek, you gotta get Kelsey, if you get Lamar,
you gotta get Marquis brule because at that point you're
not even overspending in terms of average draft position, like
you you're just going, uh, you're just basically, uh, you're
paying appropriate prices and and you know, completing the voltron
(33:37):
of a fantasy football team. Yeah. I remember my most
dominant Two of my most dominant fantasy football teams in
my career were one year where I drafted Tom Brady.
Randy Moss won too that year, And honestly, I was
doing it for the fun, not even for the strategy
at that point in my career, like not realizing that
(33:57):
that was like money if it hit, and it did it.
And another was a year with Peyton Manning into Marius
Thomas in an auction and I just fell into it,
and for some reason it still took me a few
more years to be like, well, the reason those teams
were so dominant is because you had an amazing quarterback
with a receiver having like historically good years. And I
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think people should be thinking like that is, like, if
I'm going to dominate this league, what's the best way
to do it is it's to nitpick, like this receiver
is gonna be the wide receiver one, this receiver is
gonna be the wide receiver one here? Or is it
just to find the dominant offense and just you know,
kind of go as all in as you possibly can.
And we we see it in in all formats, and
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I think people need to get used to just committing
fully to the strategy and maybe even giving up slight
value in like a in like a Snake League, like
I'm planning to do in Scott Fish to get some
of those giants receivers because I know that now that
I have Daniel Jones I'm just flat out gonna need
the Giants to be good to win or else I'm
not winning. So that's really interesting, which is that I
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think people do forget fantasy football is a weekly game,
and you know, it might even be possible that you
could draft a you know, a wide receiver in round
eight who gets outscored by someone immediately next to him,
and it's still possible that you made the right selection
just because the weeks where you start him, he's going
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to correlate with your quarterback, you know, whoever it might be,
maybe you draft two different quarterbacks. And in best ball specifically,
what we really care about and and really you should
even care about in weekly leagues is like, is there
really a difference between four and nine points, like functionally,
like like on a weekly basis. No, but there is
definitely a difference between ten points and eighteen points, because
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it's all about it's all about finding those weekly difference makers,
and you're so much more likely to find difference makers
in your lineup when you find a correlation exactly. And
there's I mean, there's only so many ways we could
we could say that without and giving you examples of
players that you you likely want to be stacking, and
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if we're talking about any sort of best ball, it
just feels like you want to find a way at
if at all possible, especially if you're drafting like two
three quarterbacks and when you get down to your third quarterback, Um,
you want to find a way to have the correlation
because the reason you have that many quarterbacks on your
roster in a league like a best ball league is
because you you want them to to kind of take
(36:28):
up the slack on the weeks that they have massive weeks.
And if they're going to have those massive weeks, it's
because receivers are gonna go off. You're gonna have guys
with over a hundred yards scoring touchdowns. And so you
know late in draft where you could get guys who
could fall into bigger roles on the same teams, Like
why wouldn't you want to take that risk? It's low
risk at the end of your draft anyways, and you
(36:49):
want to find weeks where you could plug holes on
like a sinking ship when your star quarterback has its
worst week. And what better way to do that than
it's just maximized, you know, using an entire different team
that week. Yeah, and I you know, I also think
a um, you know, a great way to think about
stacking is, you know, obviously you have to make draft
picks in between you know, rounds fifteen and twenty and
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these best ball drafts, and you're not gonna feel strong
conviction about either one of them. So correlating those picks
to your quarterbacks or you know, to your your running
backs or whatever. Like. You know, so if you take
Deshaun Watson, your late round picks you know become Kenny
Stills and and Ryndall Cobb. If you take Aaron Rodgers,
you can take you know, Alan Lazard, Marquees, Vade Scantling,
(37:32):
j Sternberger. If you take Lamar Jackson, you can take
Miles Boykin. If you take Patrick Mahomes, you can take
Sammy Watkins. Instead of just trying to kind of you know, uh,
you know, search through the dark and find the best place,
because the truth is we don't really know who the
best plays are, especially before the season. Are there any
like places you would you would draw the line like,
(37:54):
is it Larry Fitzgerald, like an upside guy late who
you would be pairing with Kyler Murray? Or would you
just say to yourself like maybe this is a spot
where I need to, like, instead of stacking, go in
a different direction, or maybe just take a higher upside
player on the same team. Um, I mean I the
way that I approached Kyler Murray teams is I select
(38:16):
Andy Isabella in the fourth round. I think you make
a great point though, when thinking about stacking, you can
take floor players like I. Actually, it's gonna sound so
weird for me to say this, because I'm such a
noted hater of olds, but I actually think you can
take Larry Fitzgerald reasonably in in bestball with Kyler, especially
if you don't get DeAndre Hopkins, because they don't have
(38:38):
a tight end that's going to encroach on his targets
at all. Yeah. I agree. And by the way, I've
fallen into Larry Fitzgerald a lot of best balls just
because I've gone cheap with my like later round receivers.
I've like invested in an early receiver too, so He's
just kind of made sense for me. But I just
wanted to see your opinion on on where the line
is drawn. Yeah, alright, everyone, We're gonna go head and
(39:00):
head into our final break here on the Daily Road
to hour on sports Grade TV. When we return, we
will dig a little bit out of theory land and
go back to some actual practical applications to how we
can make your fantasy football teams better. In twenty we
will be breaking down our favorite stacks to be doing
in all types of different formats, best ball regular tournaments,
(39:22):
every every way that you can't imagine. So we will
see you guys in just a few minutes on the
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(39:44):
expert picks, and more want the edge than get on
the grid sports grid dot Com. Hello everyone, and welcome
back from Break. Here on the daily Road to hour
on Sports Grade TV. I'm Davis Mannock, joined by Ricky Sanders.
In our third segment, we discussed stacking in fantasy football,
(40:05):
why it is so important, why it is imperative that
you do it in every format, best ball regular tournament.
You know, your your twelve team league with your buddies,
your ten team home league with your buddies, you know,
doesn't doesn't particularly matter. And Ricky, I think now we
need to we need to dive out of theory land
and we need to we need to bring the people
back to to what we are all. Uh, you know
(40:27):
what we're all here for, which is the picks, because
you gotta just pick the right players at the end
of the day. You can you can have all the theory,
you can have the perfect structure, but it doesn't really
matter if you don't pick the best players. Yeah, and
I'm gonna start with one of my favorite stacks that
I think is attainable in and basically all formats, whether
it's you know, auction, whether it's a Snake league. And
(40:49):
that's once you've drafted Kelvin Ridley, who I I really
am passing on Julio Jones specifically for this year. Look,
I think Julio Jones is a great receiver, but I
think there's a very good chance that Calvin Ridley is
on par with his production. And I think there's a
greater than ten percent chance that he's the number one
guy in this offense. And once you've gone with him,
(41:10):
you might as well go Matt Ryan and part of
The reason that I'm so all in on that stack
is the fact that I don't have faith in Todd
Gurley's knee apparently like the Falcons do, or like a
lot of the fantasy football community does, and if their
running game is struggling, you could see some serious volume
from Matt Ryan to the point where honestly, both Julio
Jones and Ridley can get it done. But where we've
(41:31):
talked stacks this whole time, and we've talked you know,
We've mentioned the name Patrick Mahomes, we mentioned the name
Lamar Jackson. Look, you're probably not landing Patrick Mahomes and
Tyreek Hill in any leagues unless you're absolutely reaching. But
I think this one is absolutely attainable because Matt Ryan
always seems to even in like your average Joe league's
fall to like the six seventh round sort of place.
I think you can nab Calvin Ridley Matt Ryan back
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to back in these sort of drafts and feel really
good about having the potential for an upper echelon offense
that could go off and a given week. Yeah, I
completely agree with you, and I think you I think
you do make a great point, which is that you
know likely in a one quarterback league, which probably most
people listen to this are playing. You know, it's just
you're you're not gonna have Patrick Mahomes. You're not gonna
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have Lamar Jackson, and um, you know. The the cool
thing about best ball is you're gonna get some insane
performances out of your quarterbacks here there, you know, and
and you want it. You want to correlate those really properly,
which is of course, you know the reason for stacking
so a cheap one that I really love is DJ
Shark and Gardner Minshew. I think Shark is, you know,
(42:38):
really one of these guys who is a couple of
years from now, we're gonna look back on things and
be like, you know, DJ Shark really is one of
the ten best wide receivers in football. You know, he
really is in that class with you know guys we
think of now it's like, you know, Julio Jones and
Odell Beckham and Allen Robinson. Like I think DJ Shark,
like DJ Shark might end up being, you know, really
(42:58):
like the new verse of Alan Robinson, which is crazy,
but I you know, I do actually think that Shark
is that talented for sure. And then Minshew is totally free.
You can take him with the last pick in your draft.
And Ricky, I actually think people don't realize that he runs.
He ran for three sixty yards last year no rushing touchdown,
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so a little bit of bad luck there and that
that rushing upside. You know, you you basically add five
extra touchdowns over the course of a year if you're
a quarterback that runs a little bit. I am I
am all over this one for best ball. Yeah, And
it's interesting because d J Shark was basically only a
target a game above d D. Westbrook last year. Uh
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seven point nine for Shark, d D. Westbrook six point seven,
timely five point six. But I still think I would
take the over on eight targets a game for Chart
this year, even with Lavisco Channault there, because I think
and I think you think as well, that Leonard four
Nette is going to be the one suffering with with
the way they gonna use Channel, which they're gonna use
(44:01):
him out of the backfield. That's gonna be a thing.
They're basically going to use him everywhere, and he's going
to get a bunch of the short targets that we're
going elsewhere. But I still think that Chark is going
to be used as the true number one. And with
only eighteen targets in fifteen games, he went over a
thousand yards with eight t d s last year. Uh,
what are you setting the over under at for targets
this year? If you like him? He was at one
(44:22):
eighteen last year with a game missed. Let's assume a
sixteen game pace. You think one or higher? Higher for sure? Yeah, no,
no doubt about it. Yeah, I think I probably think
the over unders somewhere around like one thirty two and
a half. I would I think I would take the
over all the way up to like one thirty nine.
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And I think there is a total like let's say Channel,
you know, kind of takes a little while to get ready. Tyler,
if you know, is banged up to start the year.
I I think he could see like some absurd Davante
Adams level volume because he is so much better than
the other wide receivers on that roster. Yeah, Channel takes
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a while to get ready. I feel like Dee De
has kind of worn out his welcome to the point
that I think they would try to get you know,
maybe some of the receiving backs involved. If Channault was struggling,
maybe more Chris Thompson, maybe more of Josh Oliver, who's
an up and coming tight end. I mean, maybe they
would go elsewhere, but I think, yeah, pretty much any scenario,
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you're getting a big target year out of Chark unless
Chault just becomes like their Percy Harvin in year one,
which I don't see. Yeah, I I I don't see
that one either. Okay, what is that? What is another
affordable stack that you are that you are in on,
you know, not not Lamar or not, you know, not
not Michael Thomas, Drew Brees, one that that people can
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actually put together. So I'm gonna stay on brand with
the way I just drafted an SFB and go Daniel Jones.
I think he's much better and like your average format
than he is in this s B format because you
have the incompletions, which I don't love. But hey, he
was there. I think I took him at QB twenty
uh so nineteen guys were selected before him, and I
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felt good with that. Then the question becomes who do
you pair him with? I think Evan Ingram is probably
a pipe dream in terms of like affordable affordability. So
I think I would go back to the well with
Sterling Shepherd here. But I think it's possible for you
to draft multiple of his receivers and you know, basically
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feel good about it because I think Daniel Jones has
the potential to throw for forty touchdowns. I think he's
gonna be throwing early and often. There may be some
interceptions along the way, but I think this this Giant's
offense is gonna be pretty good. And if it's pretty good, John,
you're gonna need Jones. So I think Jones and Shepherd,
but I am not basically averse to taking either Slaton
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or take along with it and you can kind of
as the season goes along, rotate them in. Uh. Yeah,
I am. I'm not opposed. I'm not opposed that I
actually love that one. Um huge for that one is
going to be if Evan Ingram is healthy. You know
the research that we have available on guys who suffer
that Liz Frank injury and then the next year it's
not great. Now, of course, every year modern medicine gets
(47:12):
a little bit better. You know, the athletes are even better.
You know, Evan Ingram is in a lot better shape
than guys who are getting Liz Frank injuries ten years ago.
And I I really love his upside for fantasy when
he's healthy. You know, I think he basically plays like
a wide receiver. So I am I am completely in
on that one. Daniel Jones actually just kind of overall
is kind of my answer to who is the guy that,
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uh you know, who is the guy that breaks fantasy
football in terms of late round QB scoring in you know,
really would not surprise me if, uh, you know, if
he is the guy who has the QB six season
while being drafted as like the QB eight teen exactly
that I'm right there with you. And if it's not him,
uh hey, he's being drafted his QB fourteen and this
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football Guys Championships, so you can just pair him with
another quarterback. I think any Ben Roethlisberger stack is going
to be affordable because Ben Roethlisberger is so affordable. So
whoever you take with him, I know, the masses a
lot on Deonte Johnson. I'm more of the train of
thought that Juju Smith Schuster is gonna get back and
going as soon as Ben Roethlisberger is there, So that
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Juju ben stack that I think people are a year
removed from being burned from has the potential to to
light the fantasy football landscape on fire. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I I I I completely agree with that one. Uh.
Some of the other ones that I think are in play.
I I love the Carson Wentz wide receiver of your
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choice now this one obviously, I think if you take
Zach Ertz in the third round, you should basically be like, Okay,
I will take Carson Wentz, you know, a full round
ahead of ADP because I need to finish this one out.
But the way that the Eagles wide receiver situation is
set up right now, if you have a strong conviction there,
you can just get your dude. Because reagor just On Jackson,
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al Sean Jeffrey are like a white side, even Dallas Goddard.
I mean, these guys are stone cold free. You can
select them, you know, in the thirteenth round or later basically,
And I mean I I guarantee one of those guys
will be good for fantasy. I don't know which one
because we don't know how Sean Jeffrey's health, Sean Jackson
might get cut. We don't know if Jalen Reagor is
gonna be ready to go. Obviously he hasn't even gotten
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the Eagles training camp yet. J j R. Sag A
Whiteside didn't play at all last year, but one, I mean,
one of those guys is going to be good. They
have to be right. Yeah, I think Raagor's the guy
that I would be betting on the situation where Jackson
just got a lot murkier and we were already off
all Sean Jeffreys. So I think they drafted Reagor knowing
that they needed some wide receiver production this year with
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the unsharety around him. They actually added some other receivers
as well, So I think they realized that the production
was going to be shaky and you can't just rely
on the tight end. So I think Reagor gets it,
gets a large target share in year one. Yeah, I
I definitely, um, I I definitely think that is possible. Um. Alright,
round us out here with another another stack that you
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are into a cheaper one. Well, I'm a believer in
Alan lizards. There's been a wide receiver two on the Packers,
So what the hell what does Aaron Rodgers have left?
I mean I want to say something with Matthew Stafford
because I'm so in on him. The problem is, I
think you want Kenny Galladay if you're going with him
with Aaron Rodgers, you can get some more affordable pass catchers.
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And look, he's not dead yet. And I think Lazard
is being underdrafted if you, you know, take into consideration
who the other guys to get targets are. Sure we
could see, you know, Davante Adams just run away with
the target share. But I think Lazard has the possibility
you know, for over a thousand yards this year. Uh yeah,
I I definitely, I definitely agree with that. Um. And
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I think that the main reason why this one is
so interesting is everyone is kind of taking Green Bay's
word for it that they are going to be a
more aggressive running team. You know, they draft a j Dillon.
Uh they haven't paid Aaron Jones yet, though they probably
will be, and everyone's just like, oh, well, you know
that just it is the way it is. They're going
to run the ball more. But they went thirteen and
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three last year, getting so lucky. They're not going to
get that lucky this year. They're gonna be in way
more competitive game. Scripts. You know, do we think that
actually they're gonna be a way more pass heavy team
and there's gonna be a role there for Ja Sternberger
and a role for Marcus Volas Scandling and Al Lazard
and Aaron Jones can catch sixty passes, Like I kind
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of think things could go that direction with them. I
do too, Like they think they're just gonna run all
over teams, and actually that division is somewhat competitive. I
think the Lions have a potential to show up this
year and surprise some people. So, yeah, exactly, I think
not only could they be more pass heavy, but I
think people aren't really committing to just how solidified I
think the role is for Lazard at wide receiver too. Yeah. Um,
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and it does seem pretty solidified because they would have
drafted somebody, right if they really viewed that problem as
a concern. I know, we think that the Packers had
a bad draft, and they did have a bad draft,
but you know, it's like it would be an inexcusably
bad draft to the point where, like, you know, the
Gutencoist would have been fired for sure, if if the
(52:13):
team did not believe in you know, one of Equanimius,
st Brown, Marquez, Valda, Scaling alan OUs. Heard. By the way,
what a great bunch of names the Green Bay Packers
wide receiver crew has you just it's just absolutely hilarious.
But everyone that's gonna do it for us here today
on the daily Road to Hour on Sports Grade TV.
Hope you guys feel enlightened. Hope you guys enjoyed our
(52:33):
conversation on fantasy football. We will be continuing to break
this stuff down throughout the course of the off season,
and you know, just go ahead and good luck on
your wagers over the next couple of days. We will
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