July 14, 2020 • 53 mins
Mike Blewitt and George Kurtz are back for another edition of Football Full Circle! The guys take a look at Patrick Mahomes' record deal and break down his contract. Will there be another $500 million dollar player anytime soon? Mike and George also discuss the NFL rules and protocols that will be put into place this year. The guys wrap up the show talking about the Scott Fish Bowl Draft.
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Mike Flewett along with George Kurds getting around the world
of the NFL. Do a little bit of college in
the second hour. But George and I here to talk
about the big news of the week. It's always big news, right,
but we this is the biggest news, at least the
biggest piece of news with a dollar sign in front
of it. That's a Patrick Mahomes, as we anticipated, the
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highest paid player in NFL history, or is he. We'll
break down this contract in a moment, but nonetheless, George
Pat Mahomes with the big payday. He gets the largest
contract in UH North American sports history. Yeah, we all
knew this was coming, right, It was just a matter
of when, how much, how many years? That's really what
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we were wondering. I think probably what I was wondering
the most. Mike I knew he would set records. I
didn't know it would be more than Mike Trout, you know,
I was. I knew he'd said football records, you know,
the most money per year. I was gonna break break
forty million a year? Was he gonna break undred fifty
million guaranteedly crushed both those? Good for him? Uh, I
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am a little surprised now. I would the first to
tell you, Mike, I would have taken this contract too.
But I'm a little supposed he didn't want to go
a shorter deal and take another buy at the Apple
once those television contracts kicked in. See what I thought.
I thought I gave here, you know, But like I said,
I have no issue with it. I I would have
done the same thing. Listen, you're gonna get four plus
million guaranteed. Your children's children's children are never gonna have
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to worry, all right. I mean, you're finally taken care
of forever, so you don't you never you'll never spend
this money anyway, but you want to maximize that what
you could have gotten, you could have You could have waited,
but then it isn't worth waiting. I'm sure you would
have talk about this anyway would have been worth waiting.
You didn't. You did have the kne injury last year.
That knee kept moved, which is pretty gross. So maybe
you're thinking about that. I want to make sure I
get paid. I don't blame him, but I do wonder
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if the union would have been like someone finally could
have demanded that guaranteed contract that you know that could
have really set the market. KRK Cuss didn't do it.
Mahomes could have done it. Russell Wilson I thought had
a shot a few years ago. He didn't go for it.
It's because when the owners have the leverage, and they
had the leverage, it was still two more years from Mahomes,
and I think they were afraid the case the owner
is that listen, we wait, he might go Banhanna's on us,
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So we've got to give a game breaking deal. Now. Yeah,
there's a lot of data that you could go through,
and I think unfortunately we're still at a point even
where people that are fans really don't have a good
grasp of these contract issues. You and I talk about
it a lot. It's something I'm very interested in, and
even though I still admit there's many things that I
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don't understand about it, but I go through this stuff.
I think it's always important to look at the numbers
and make sure you have a good understanding of what
it is that he got here. Now. Uh, he said
it wasn't about the money, which I was find is
silly because you got on paper potential five hundred million
dollar deal. Um. But to some extent, he didn't go
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for the max, George, he didn't go for the guarantee,
and he didn't go for a longer term guarantee that
he could be the highest paid player. As he says
here on Instagram, Kansas City, We're just getting started. This
is home. Uh. We'll go through a few tweets here.
Adam Schefter had reported that he had two years and
twenty seven point six million left on his existing deal. Uh,
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the ten year extensions worth over four hundred million. Uh
that that that's out of date that tweet. But as
field Yate says here, surpassing Mike Trouts four hundred twenty
six and a half million for the largest contract ever
in North American sports history. So that's the key. George
Lee Steinberg, his agent wanted the big number. They they
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wanted to be able to say it's the largest contract
in North American sports history, and they got that. Now,
you and I talked about guarantees. There's a hundred and
forty million guaranteed for injury. That's really the full guarantee.
We'll break it down a little bit further and how
he can make a bunch more than that, But that's
really the number. Is the one forty guarantee for injury
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goes out next year Alex Smith type injury, God forbid,
knocking wood. He's got a hundred and forty mil, as
you said, more than it's generational wealth right there on
the hundred forty mil. But um, you and I did
also talk about his contract just a week ago, maybe
it's two weeks ago that we thought his guarantees because
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we were not assuming that he was going to sign
a twelve year deal, we thought his guarantees could approach
a hundred and eighty million dollars. So for it to
be one forty while it's the most ever in NFL history, EA,
surpassing Matt Ryan, it is light compared to what I
thought he could get. Oh, I agree with you, and
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I'm not blaming Pat Mahomes here because I think it's
uh you know when they say it's not about the money,
Come on, all right, you want to get paid. I
get it. I have no problem with you getting paid none. Okay,
so it is about the money. But I also think
with Mahomes, he's sort of thinking, well, you know what,
I want to make sure I have good players around me.
I want to win again once again. If I have
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a hundred forty million, A hundred eighty million doesn't matter,
all right, I'm never gonna spend it, you know, so
why not make sure I can have players like Travis Kelsey,
you know, a good offensive line, guys to protect me,
guys the cast about a running back who could take
some of some of the pressure off. I think that's
part of the reason that he looked into that listen.
I think he could have done something like, and I
was wondering this, I want to make sure of the
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cap every year, you know, might at he's eighteen point five. Now,
uh so I want to have every year cap goes up,
he goes up, and now we're covered. That's way he
don't eat. This way he doesn't have to ask four
you know a certain amount of money, let me does
not to ask for a certain amount of cash. So
he could have done that. Uh, and what you said
is perfect. People have to understand football contracts aren't guaranteed.
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When Mike Trout signed his ten year, four and fifty
million dollar deal, he's getting four at fifty million dollars,
no matter what happens, he's unless he retires, he's getting for.
That's not true with Pat Mahomes. He just went over it.
He's only guaranteed if he gets hit by a bus
a hundred forty million, that's all he's guaranteed for. He'll
get more than that, of course, but that's all he's
guaranteed for. He'll you know, he probably is not going
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to see you know, the last couple of years. They'll
they're renegotiated. They'll do with Drew Brees and so that's
another component. That's another component. Let me bring Andrew Brand's
tweet in here for a sec. In two thousand one,
when he was a Packers, gm I gave Brad Forvar
a ten year deal averaging eleven point to five million
when the cap was sixty million. That was eighteen point
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seven five of the cap. Pat Mahome Holmes gets twelve
year deal averaging thirty seven and a half million, four
fifty over twelve when cap is two million, eighteen point
seven five of the cap, so his percentage of the
cap remains the same. Now absolutely having it be a
team friendly deal can endear him to Chiefs fans. He'll
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still make an ungodly amount of money if he never
gets injured, He'll keep getting these roster bonuses, which is
mainly how this deal is structured. It really effectively is
a deal through four and then it's just roster bonuses
getting guaranteed typically a year early. So people are comparing
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it to dak if Dad keeps getting franchised out and
he would make more money than Pat Mahomes in the
next several years. Also guaranteed money for the next three
years or the turn out for the next three years.
Mahomes will see about sixty three million in cash what
Teddy Bridgewater is getting. So in the early part of
this deal it is an as lucrative. Where it starts
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to add up is that if he's on the league
roster for their fifth day of one next year, which
you know we're only like eight months away from that,
he gets the bonus for three. That's thirty four million bucks.
He adds another year two. If he's on the team
in the fifth year, which is not even two years
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from now, he gets another thirty four million for the
four season. He's getting these kickers as he goes year
over year. His base salary is close to minimum at
two and a half million dollars, but he's being paid
a roster bonus about a year and a half in
advance of playing George. So that's really how he's making
the money. But to your point, the end of this
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contract is all throwaways. He's got no pro rated bonuses.
His salary is light, and it will be particularly light then,
so these bonuses can be converted to cash, extended out
further and further. Pat Mom was gonna be thirty six
at the time if he just if they never renegotiated,
it will be third six. We'll see where he's at then.
I know everybody thinks all these guys have played until
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their forty now, but you might not want to. Guys
might get tired of that and be like, hey, I've
I've got four hundred million dollars. I'm pretty tired, so
I'm gonna call it a day, you know, I don't
know that he'll do that. But everybody, yeah, did you
look at tired of getting beat up? It's really a kid.
He get tired again, beat up. We had money in
the bank and hey, as you just said, I don't
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like it anymore. Done. We're seeing couple of players look
at their long term health more and more here. You know,
I think that's going to keep happening over the next tent.
Probably the weird thing is that the quarterbacks are are old.
Now that's the funny. That's the funny dynamic that is happening.
You're right, But but now look at the league right now.
We got to forty year olds. We got Eli just
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walked away, but Phil Rivers and Ben Aaron Rodgers not
young Matt. Ryan's like thirty five, and he's not slowing down.
It's just a it's an odd dynamic where the quarterbacks
in favorite protective You can't. I mean, I'm the guy
who likes to watch old, old games, old cowboy games.
I see him. It was actually a game in nineteen
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seventy seven, yes, say Cowboys Redskins. Joe Tisman got killed.
I mean really, he just got trying. I mean, there
were so many penalties in that game if that game
was played today, because he was getting bump, crushed up,
high up blow. It was like a free for all.
And you can't do that anymore. You know, the illegal
tackles back, they're not dirty tackles, but they were hard hits.
You never see that. You rarely see that on a
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quarterback anymore. Every rule was designed to protect him. Plus
the systems are you know, three five step drop giving
to the football, get rid of it, don't stand back
there forever. You know that sort of thing. The fact
that you can't you can't bug the receivers anymore. Down
the field, they're open. Quicker quarter get rid of the bull.
That's why we're seeing the quarterdex played forever, assuming you
can play. Mahomes likes to run around a little bit.
That's why I wonder if he won't be one of
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these guys, because he will take some hits by moving around,
scrambling and doing what he does. He's not a scrambler.
He's not the Mark Jackson, but I do want of
hisson where he's take. He's pretty good at avoiding it.
The baseball players, the two guys that are baseball players
who seemed to be the best at avoiding uh contact. Yeah. So, UM,
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I have to ask this because it's a it's a show.
It's not a straight debate show, but we have these debates.
Uh you think he got too much, too little? Or
is it right on? I think you could have gotten
more I do, or just structure a different way. He'll
he knows he'll get paid more. Um. But in the end,
I said, I would have signed this too. And if
I'm playing and I'm getting you know you're gonna make
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more than one for are you making at least two
fifty out of this? I'm flying with that as long
as the team is going to put that money into
once again, my protection, my players to throw the ball to,
you know, my help, and I think Kansas City is
going to do that. I have no problem with what
he did here, But I think do I think he
could have gotten more? Sure? Absolutely, I Look, I didn't
really see the twelve year or ten year extension coming. It's,
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you know, my fault for not seeing that. But I
was thinking of it in terms of five year deal.
I thought he would get heavy guarantees and go to
free agency again. The reality is, by the end of
this deal, even halfway through this deal, even with him
getting these roster bonuses, he'll be significantly underpaid. He definitely
will not be the highest paid quarterback for long He's
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not even now. It'll take him a couple of years
to even get there, and by the time he gets
there to be the highest paid, he may already not
be the highest paid. It'll have the biggest contract long term,
but on an average annual salary basis no way. I
think Dak's gonna pass him, possibly even by next year
if Dallas steps up, although I don't think they're gonna
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do it this week. We can talk about that a
little bit more after the Breaks and Stacks. Dak is
one of the stories on the Doctor for today, but
Pat mahomes a good week. I thought it could have
been better, but no complaints, right agent. Big comeback story
for release Diinberg. Credit to him. He went through some
to times in his life and he comes back to
earn the biggest contract in North American history for PATA
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and it gives team friendly and I'll say, you could
have gotten more, but it's not a big l small
lat the wind wind for everybody with a lot of
dollars times after so George and I'll be right back
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mp blew Itt. As in Michael Patrick, that's how I
got that. It's not very original, but what am we
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gonna do? Alright, So let's talk about Raheem Moster. So
there's a little drama about this nonsense. By the way,
Brett Tesler, his agent of Tesler Sports, says after months
of unproductive talks with the forty nine is about fairly
adjusting Raheem Mostert's contract, which paid him for special teams,
is really a special team's first player when he was signed.
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We have requested a trade. Disappointing that it would come
to this for a guy who led all NFL running
backs in yards per carry and helped lead them to
the super Bowl. It's per carry is not the best
stat by the way, Brett Tesler, I'm just telling you.
But in any event, Uh then some fake Twitter account
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comes out later in the week saying we we send
our trade request. The person used a capital I instead
of an L and Tesler and approximated a rescinding of
the trade, which some Internet sleuth found out to be false.
So just to those who think that the trade got rescinded,
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it didn't. The trade request got rescinded, it didn't. There's
still requesting a trade. I don't think he's gonna get traded, George.
I think he wants Tevin Coleman's salary, which is actually
pretty reasonable at four and a half million dollars. I
think they're looking to get something in that range. I
think this is trying to provide leverage for for them
to trade him. I don't think it makes any sense.
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Do the Niners feel like they can plug Jeff Wilson
in or somebody else behind Tevin Coleman in order to
pick up yards. I think they think that, but I
do think they'd rather have most are there. Jerick McKinnon,
by the way, can't even cut on his surgically repaired
knee as of yet, so I don't know that he's
an actual option. There are so many reasons why this
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is not going to happen now. We don't know what
was going on behind the scenes. Perhaps Test authority asked
the forty nine is to trade him privately and nothing happened.
So now he made it public because he had nothing
to lose here. But as soon as you make your
trade request public, you lose all leverage the team. Because
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let's let's stick fantasy. If I know that Mike Blewett
has to trade a certain player, I have leverage over Mike.
I'm not offering you the max. I know you have
to trade him. You know, Mike has a roster kraunch,
He has six running backs, has to get rid of one.
He Mike, I'll take this one off here, but I'm
giving you seven cents on the dollar, So that hurts that.
That's number one. Number two is Raheem Most Before last season,
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no one even heard of Raheem Moster. Okay, I mean
the biggest, the thing at most it was really involved
in was that Matthew Berry rant on that Monday night
game when most of couldn't get him the one point
that he needed. All right, that's the biggest time. We
have't even heard the most for the most part. All right.
So Jeff wils is the same thing. Never heard of
these guys most they have big seasons. Perhaps it's not you,
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Perhaps it's the system. The first thing I'd be thinking,
it's not you. You know, you aren't somebody who was
big coming out of college that used to be I
can't miss You're not that, you know. And Kevin Colwyn
does well in your system. Wilson does well in your system.
Matt Brada did will well in that system, which brings
up you already trade your breda. You mentioned McKinnon, no
idea he's ever gonna come back. Don't sounded good for
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McKinnon on his knee. I feel bad for him. It
is sad. I think his career is probably towards the end.
This is why football players need to get their money
as soon as they can be called. MacKinnon is a
perfect example of this. But again, but once again it
tests their depth. So once again I said, Most is
not a superstar. Who's going to trade for him? I
want to pay him. I understand it's not much. He's not,
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you know, a gazillion dollars, but still want to pay
him that salary and then give up what Sanfred wants
as a return. It's not gonna happen. How many teams
out there do you think need a running back that Most?
It's definitely better than and the A're gonna pay the
salary and give up the talent he has zero a
chance of being dealt. Yeah, they're just gonna have to
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give him to make good sort of bump and pay.
That's the only thing he could really be hoping for.
But it's not looking good. But that's that's where they're at.
It's the part, the funky part about all of this, George,
is like we're talking about all this and this stuff
might not even happen, do you know what I mean?
Whether you're you're doing your fantasy draft or you're prepping,
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and all the stories were about to get into They
have to do it. You have to conduct business. But um,
the hoster most are excuse me, is request I don't
even know what I said. UH, is requesting a trade
into a season that might not even happen and certainly
might be abbreviated. So the next story, this is a
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fun one. Tom Pellicero of the NFL Network is reporting
that the NFL reported earlier this week excuse me, that
the NFL p A informed its sport of representatives that
the NFL proposed of player salaries be held in ESCO
to help manage costs during season. Per sort for sources,
it's one option on the table if revenue was impacted
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leaguewide by COVID nineteen. That last sentence I find curious
because he says if revenue is impacted, I think it's
obviously going to be impacted unless the COVID magic magically
goes away sometime in the next six weeks. I think
it's going to be impacted. Tom. But Uh, the key
part in this whole tweet is proposed, So it's not
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like the NFL player p A is okay with this.
In fact, the NFL p A. While they don't often
have leverage, they might actually have some leverage here to
just get paid um. As the league year moves towards
this season, and it's that first that last Saturday, right
before we get to the season, those NFL veteran salaries
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become fully guaranteed. So that's when the NFL is really
trying to no negotiate before George to ensure that that
doesn't happen. But I don't I don't really know how
the NFL can make this work. I think the NFL
p A has leverage in this instance and they're not
going to agree to this. Don't mind me, I'm choking
like the NFL p A was once they heard that
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s grow thing. When I first saw her, this first
thing that came to my mind was Christian Ledger, dark Knight,
and away we go, Here we go. Here's the here's
the fight. We saw it between the MLB and MLB
p A in here. Now it started with NFL and
NFL p A. I'll give them this. At least they
started early, all right. At least they didn't wait till
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middle August before they started fighting about this. Uh, Damien
Woody on Twitter had the great response to it. In response,
this hell no, hell no h And as Andrew Brandt said,
there will be lawyers, there will be lawyers. He says
that for everything He's right, they're always lawyers. This is
gonna be a problem, and we knew it was going
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to be a problem. Once again, I get the logic.
I do understand the logic. Not be any fans in
the stands you should take less, but as you always
point out, you're a guaranteed to make a certain amount
of money. This is not my problem. Your employee I
get paid and your football player. Once again, why should
you be paid less when you're still risking the same risk.
There's an odd assumption that you're guaranteed to make a
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profit every year that you run this type of business,
no matter what you are not It is like every
other business. Understand there are collective bargaining agreements place that
prevent uh certain things. But people that are pro ownership
seem to back them up on this point, like why
should they lose money? I don't know. Why should they
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be guaranteed to make money? No business is guaranteed to
make money, right, I mean, if you're working for whatever
IBM whatever home depot, which is actually owned by the Falcons,
owner of the blank. But if you do, you're you're
not are you taking if home people has a bad year,
you said, oh, that's okay, I'll take twice less of
my salary. No, you did your work, you did your job. Yeah,
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why you've taken this? And why should a football player
or baseball player for that meant to take less. It's
just when it comes to a football player, I say
this over and over again. I will never begrudge a
football players money. Your life is not going to be
the same after football. It's just not. And we just
talked about Jerk McKinnon. His career maybe over at that
one injury, you know, and so other places a contract
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before it, and that contract is dust right poof because
it's not guaranteed. So I don't know why he's playing.
Why anyone thinks a player should take less, especially a
football player who's putting I'm not gonna say he's putting
his life on the line, but he's putting his health
on the line, you know, every time and every play alignment,
I mean every play you have, you have grenades around
your feet with people diving at you fully around your ankles,
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your knees, that can be a broken ankle, broke us
towards ligaments at any point anytime. I know it is
a different sport, but I actually don't begrudge them in
the other sports either, for for the reason that there
is a limited shelf life on what you can earn,
and not every guy is Mike trout Um. There's there's
hundreds of you, and I follow Major League Baseball very
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closely for decades. There you could name a hundred baseball
players that have played in the last thirty years. It
would be like, I don't really remember that guy and
really ring a bell, you know what I mean, And
we mostly you probably do better a little better than me.
But I'm making a point to say, like those guys
could have had seven year careers and I don't really
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remember it, right, but a guy elbow and he lost
his opportunity to make money. I'm just saying there are
hundreds of guys like that in MLB in NFL that
we don't even really remember some of these guys because
they were a guard or that they were a utility
guy in Major League Baseball for seven years and like
they were retired by the time they were thirty one
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and then they got to go get a job. Why
a different job. There's a cool job that they have,
but now it's over. In their thirty one they have
a family. So I say a lot to say. I
don't really begrudge these guys. I get it. I'm not
always pro player. I think MLB p A made some
mistakes during the negotiating process. I didn't think they were
innocent and all of it. But it does come back
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to the point that you made originally when I started
this ridiculous rant about UH people backing owners to say
they should Why should they lose money? I don't know.
Why should they make money? I get that there's some
logic associated with the players having to take a hit,
but they're they're not in on the team that is
guaranteed to gain value next year. Listen, if you want
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to convince me that an owner any of these teams
are losing money, open up the books. Let me see
the books. Until then, I'll have I have a hard
time believing any of these owners really as losing money.
They're not making as much, I'll give them that, but
losing money, you know, they don't count things other things
that they should be counting to oh what I count
with TV money, because that's not really what the players
it's all weird accounting. Uh. They'll tell you they lost
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four billion dollars because they're making six not ten. Right,
it's not you didn't lose money, well you did made less.
You made less. It's just a it's a different way
of worry. It's lawyers speak. It's always his lawyers speak.
It's why I don't don't trust anybody. But why do
we you mentioned it? Why do we automatically get on
We like the owners were happy, Well, we don't mind them,
but we hate the players. I think it's becos we
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see the players. You know maybe what made that Some
of these players too, because they cost your money gambling
or your fantasy league or at the events whatever. You know,
you know this guy struck out, I didn't win money.
So I think sometimes you just we see the players
on TV. You asked Jerry Jones and you know Robert
craft Snyder's. You don't see these the owners all that much.
Most fans can't name an owner you know of you know,
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name who's who's the Seattle Seahak's own a real quick,
tough and trust right now. But that's complicated. I wasn't
asking you. I know you would know the answer. You know,
I wouldn't even know that. You know the popular owners,
but you won't know the other owners. See, you have
no one to blame. There were playing blame Goodell because
he's the figurehead. But it's just it's just the different thing.
I never understand why we automatically blame the players for everything. Yeah. Uh,
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we're gonna get into some of the policies that are
coming along with COVID next and how NFLPA responded. One
good thing fell t A and the NFL have agreed
on travel protocols for training camp and pre season that
is about to be ratified within the next couple of days,
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So at least they are on the same page on
one thing, George. But a lot more to go before
the season kicks off, so we'll come back with more
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some upcoming policies that are trying to be put into
place as we try to get training camps going. George,
were only about two two to three weeks out from
training camp. A little about three weeks out from training camp.
Obviously that Hall of Fame game between the Steelers and
Cowboys not happening. Teams trying to get back to training
camp July thereabouts, but there's still a lot of policies
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that need to be put in place. And you see
one reaction here from J. C. Treader, who is the
president of the NFL p A, and he released a
statement which I'll get into a little bit more, but
the highlight of the quote is that of the statement
is this quote. It's that every decision this year that
priority prioritizes normalcy over innovation, custom over science, or even
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football over health, significantly reduces our chances of completing the
full season. So obviously he's reacting to some of the
policies that are being suggested and he wants to make
sure that things are safe for these guys. We'll get
into a little bit of player reactions specifically J. J.
Watt in a moment, but J. C. Treader, I think
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he's shown early that he's trying to be a leader,
and he's he's been pretty sharp with at least what
he's been releasing. He's not the only one putting this
stuff together, but I thought he did a nice job
here to prioritize where their focus is. The players are
actually seemingly prioritizing the important things in life more than
the owners, or at least that's worth. They're trying to
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make sure people are perceiving. You cannot quarantine this virus,
no matter what they do, all these protocols. I see,
you can't stop the virus. It can minimize it. I
but you're playing football. You know you're gonna have huddles.
You know you're going to have the quarterback of the
line of scripts screaming out the plays all right, which
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is screaming is bad? Right? Uh, it's more salive. I
guess can fly ahead of your mouth. That's bad. You're
going to have blocking and then you're going to have tackling,
all right, all these other stuff that's just you know,
it's icing stuff like that, you know, you know, but
the meal is already cooked. I mean, it's you're gonna
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have problems here, you want all this other stuff like that.
It's just you you can minimize it, and they should, don't,
you know what, they should do this. But if you're
honestly prioritize the health of a football, there would be
no football. You cannot probably you cannot. You can't tell
me you're prioritizing health of a football. You're not. You're
trying to minimize the risk, which is great. What it's
what you should be doing. But any of these football
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players or any player really in any sport who thinks
they're going to be safe, you're kidding yourself. You're just
you're just kidding yourself. Football. It's much less than that
you're going to have problems here that you have to
come to grips with that. Hey, there's a chance, there's
a chance I might get this because of my my job.
What I'm going to play? I know, listen. I'll mean
the first to tell you, Mike, if I was a
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professional athlete, odds are I play. It's my mindset. I'd
want to play. I would. I would risk it as well,
so I get it. You know that I would play
here but yeah, I would also know that, Hey, there's
a chance I'm going to get I know my wife
being a nurse, there's a chance I was going to
get it. I told my wife that, don't worry. I
understand you were you working hospital, you come home, You've
treated COVID patients. I might get it. I understand. I'm
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not gonna be mad at you. I think football play
the same thing if you do. If you will elect
to play, then you understood there's a chance I might
get it. I don't want to hear you blaming early
everybody else, assuming they do take whatever necessary precautions they can. Yeah. Um,
he says a little bit. I encourage everybody to read
the entire statement. I can't go through all of it here,
but um, he's saying. Players don't just want to return
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to work. We want to stay at work. We did
our dude. Dealings reviewed the impact of returning to play
football after an unusually long period away. For example, following
the extended break after the two thousand and eleven lockout,
injuries increased by achilles injuries more than doubled than hamstring
strains went up forty percent. They tried to form they
had formed a joint committee of doctors, trainers, and strength
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coaches with the NFL as a present as a preventative measure.
The NFL became, in his eyes, became unwilling to follow
the joint committee's recommendation of a forty eight day training
camp schedule. He's not just talking about COVID concerns. He's
talking about other health concerns, which I, frankly, have talked
about a lot. In terms of baseball. I'd be really
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concerned if I was a baseball player a picture that
ramped up through spring training, took a few months off,
then tried to ramp up again to start throwing. I
have no idea what that's going to do to people.
Maybe it won't have an impact, but I would be
personally concerned. So other things that they're trying to put
in place, George as a preventative measure via again Tom Palaceero.
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But what we're seeing here is the reaction from Richard Sherman.
The teams will be for forbidden from postgame interactions within
six ft of each other, and jersey exchanges between players
will be prohibited during the season. There's also no media
allowed in the clubhouses and a bunch of other stuff.
Richard Sherman says here this is a perfect example of
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NFL thinking in a nutshell. Players can go engage in
a full contact game and do it safely. However, it
is deemed unsafe for them to exchange jerseys after said game.
If you laughing emojis, I think he's right. It's like, really,
we're gonna knock into each other for sixty minutes, but
we can't give a hug and a hand pound and
exchange jerseys. What are we doing? You see? And I
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think this quote is kind of silly on Sherman's part. Yeah,
he's right. Well, what do you want the NFL to do? Yeah?
Like I said, they have to minimize what they have
to minimize what they can minimize. All right, if they
did nothing about these the jersey swaps and something happened,
we would kill the NFL. Absolutely killer. How did they
all stop this? We do this, and it was bad
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to have players do this at their game, sweaty, dirty clothes,
blah blah blah blah. Don't people can't win here. So Richard,
if you're worried about it, opt out. Don't play that.
This is what I mean. Once you opt into play
as soon the NFL takes all necessary precautions, and this
would be one of the old necessary precautions. You can't
bitch about this stuff. We all know it's going to
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be I think dangerous is probably too tough work here,
But it could be unhealthy to play. You might catch cold,
you might No one's lying to you here, you might
catch it. If you think it's uh, you know, it's tupid,
higher risk. Opt out. No one's saying you shouldn't. I'm
not gonna get on anybody for opting out, not in
the least, Not in the least. If you think it's
dangerous for whatever reason, to yourself, to your family, unborn children,
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your pregnant wife, sick relative at home, whatever it is,
opt out. But don't be blaming the end of us.
And I'd love to blame the NFL and a lot
of things. But what do you want them to do, Richard?
What do you want me to do? Cancel this season?
What you can plain it about that too? Yeah? And
by the way, guys can just violated anyway. Are they're
gonna get fined? I don't even know what the punishment
is if you exchange jerseys or hugged it out or whatever.
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So um and by the way, they said post game
if you're if you're the other team's kneeling it out,
it's not post game. You could just hug it out
while the clock is running, right, you wouldn't get fine
because it's technically still during the game. So I'll throw
up a quick MLS tweet here because it's gonna lead
to this point. Uh. And this is Paul uh Tnario here.
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He's a National Soccer reporter UH and he stated, uh
that Nashville SC is out of the MLS is back tournament.
As we mentioned earlier, it's the second NLS team that
had to back out of the tournament. So things are
starting to fall apart for MLS. And it's uh sort
of leads into this J. J. Watt quote George and
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he says he was on a podcast, uh with Pro
Football Talk. He said, I think that every guy's situation
is different. There could be a guy for giving us
I put my glasses on. There could be a guy
who as a child with asthma and really just doesn't
want to bring it back home, or you have a
pregnant life. I think that the one thing I would
say to that is there should be a stigma if
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you do choose to opt out, if there is a
legitimate reason for you to be opting out, you don't
feel comfortable, whether it's yourself, whether it's for your family.
I don't personally think there should be a stigma for that,
because you're making the best decision for yourself and for
your family. If we ever get to the point where
we're shaming people for dropping out of a sport because
they want to protect the health of their family, then
we're in a tough spot. I think what he said
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is very reasonable. I get what he's saying, and I
think it is I just don't know with football specifically,
if as many guys will opt out. UM, somebody like
j J. Wat can right, he's recently he's recently married.
I don't know if he's planning a family. UM. Baseball,
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we've seen some guys opt out already. We've seen some
basketball players opt out. UM. But football is a little different.
You know, if you're a guy that's sort of making
your way in the NFL world and you're trying to
earn that money, which is as we talk about all
the time in NFL kind of limited you're just trying
to get Maybe you're on a five million dollar deal.
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It's a lot of money, right, I don't know. I
don't know if as many football players are going to
opt out. I'm really curious. I agree with you id football,
it's probably the one spot were more should be opting out,
But probably not because your shelf life is so short.
His career as what three years. You know, you gotta
make that money while you can. You know, you're trying
to really show something to get that next big contract.
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Oh you're only big contract. Plus so many guys in
the NFL are fungible, George, where like the team is
just like, yeah, fine, you're cut. We'll bring somebody else in.
But as J J said, I'm not blaming anybody for
opting out, not at all. We haven't really heard about
football yet because we're still a couple of months away.
We hear about baseball. You mentioned as about eight players
who have opted out so far, David Price being the
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biggest name there. But Mike Trout came out the other
day and said he's not so sure yet if he's
going to play because pregnant wife at home. Right. Bryce
Harper has an infant and a pregnant wife at home.
Zach Wheeler pregnant wife at home, and they're all sort
of you know, Trout probably more than the other. Wheeler
has said he might play up until the baby is born.
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Which is strange, is any of the baby is gonna
be born, like within a week or two out of
the season starts. Why be working out? That's hardly gonna
stop at the two or three starts, whatever it is.
But I just find that strange. But I don't think
you can blame any of these players. Football is gonna
have the same problems. These guys are gonna have families
at home, young kids, babies, infants, oh, pregnant wives. You'd
be living with a relative who's going to be you know,
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have up there for risk and you can have to
make tough choices. But whether or not you should play
this is really a choice we should all be making. Mike.
I brought up earlier on another show. The hockey rink
I work at opened up this week. It's an outdoor rink.
But and they called me. He asked me to come
in ref or what days I want to the ref
And first day they was talked to my wife, are
you okay with this. You know, do you want me
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to rep what precautions? If you do want me to
refer what precoorsees? Do you want me to take? You know?
And we pretty much decided yes, I can go rep up.
When I come home, I need to change in the garage,
you know, take off all the clothes, will wash them
and go take a shower immediately, you'll wash your hands
and obviously all that stuff. And this is a football player.
It's almost the same sort of thing here. If you're
going to go go what pre course are you going
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to take? Maybe you don't come home. Maybe you're gonna
rent the hotel room and really change there, right, wash
up there, then come home, you know, culling stuff like
that to minimize risk. But he's really a conversation that
everybody needs to have, not just professional athletes. Yeah. Yeah,
it's it's tricky, and you know, J. J. Watt, I
think it's a pretty outspoken NFL player. I think, uh
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some a lot of players end up following his lead.
He's done a lot of charitable work, obviously in the
Houston area, notably after the Hurricane Harvey. I believe it
was that devastated the Houston area, So I think people
look to him on guidance. Look, he's a is a
now a really veteran NFL player with a massive Hall
of Fame resume behind him, maybe his best station behind him.
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But it doesn't mean he's not outspoken on these issues.
And I, you know, I think him saying something like
that might provide cover for the for the few players
that I do opt out. I think it's just the
dynamic of that sport is different. I actually don't. I've
said with baseball, I think as many as a roster
full of players can opt out before we get to
the season. Um in the NFL, I don't know. I
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don't think it will happen, right, I just think there's
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on the grid. Closing out this hour of football, Fool
Circle had a little bit of fun with this one,
a little fantasy football segment. George and I long history
of being fantasy football analysts, hosts and the like, and
I'm playing in scott fish Bowl this year. Scott fish
Bowl is a industry league that was started. UH. This
is the tenth edition of it, and it was started
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in an effort to get more of the industry folks
playing together with fans to have a little bit of
fun with it. There's no money on the line, but
it is also in conjunction with a great cause, UH
Fantasy Cares dot net. Please go there to try to donate,
or you can go to scott Fishbowl dot com back
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slash donate in order to try to raise money. Last
year it was I think in the vicinity of forty dollars.
That money generally goes to a kind of a Toys
for Tots scenario where they go purchase a whole bunch
of toys for kids, uh in certain cities around the country.
So I've really grown to love this league. It's a
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lot of fun. I got randomly put into leagues. There's
a theme every year. This is this year's theme was toys.
So I'm in the bay Blades division. If you out
there don't know what bay Blades are, you don't have
a little kid. I have a seven year old son
and he's been into bay Blades for about two years.
They have cartoons and all this merchandise, but really it
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is uh. I can't really describe it. It's like it's
a game where you have these metal things that you
can spin quickly on this little playing surface and they
bash into each other. One of them blows up, you
lose a point. You play a game this way. It's
a it's a it's a it's a thing that he loves.
So I picked that in his honor. So shout out
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to Owen in any event. Funky scoring here. Um it's
a twelve there are four hundred and forty teams, but
you just play in your division, your conference as it were.
Um so I'm playing with eleven opponents twelve team league effectively.
But here's the scoring. Half point uh per half point
ppr uh and half point first down. Unless you're a
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tight end, it's a full point for each of those.
The funky scoring that comes into play, which he changes
stuff up every year this year is quarterbacks. Quarterbacks will
receive a half a point for every completion, minus one
for every incompletion, and minus one for each sack. Also
six point passing touchdowns minus four for interception minus two
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if that gets uh returned. So if your guy throws
two touchdowns on the day and his one pick is
a pick six, you lose out on one of those
touch two. So uh So anyway, so there's the scoring
uh and George. It really set up to me to
be more of an emphasis on an more some of
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the more elite quarterbacks, which I was picking from the
nine hole and decided that I was going to go quarterback.
Ear don't always do that in this league, but in
this instance, as much I was decided I was going
to go quarterback early, I did also decide because of
the kicker for the good tight ends. I said at nine,
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if a bunch of running backs go off the board,
I'm taking one of these tight ends, and I did,
and I had the first choice, and I went with
Kelsey over Kittle. I debated it, but I'm putting my
money on Patrick Mahomes to have another great year where
he can play potentially more games, and Kittle, as great
as he is, he's working with Jimmy Geese. So that's
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really the reason I picked Kelsey's upside over Kiddles even though,
I think you could have gone either way. I've seen
Kiddle go first in some of these conferences. Yeah, I've
were talking to you. But when it was your pick, uh,
there and a quarterback had already gone off the board
by then, Mahomes was gone and Mark Jackson was gone,
Deck was gone. Obviously, if obviously one of the first
two was there, Yeah, I had taken a quarterback, I
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would have done the same as you. You know, all
of the course, after the first couple of quarterbacks are gone,
everyone else still have in that same boat. If DeShawn
Watson still had DeAndre Hopkins, different story here. I would
have taken Watson at your picked, but he didn't. He
has a whole bunch of good receivers but can't stay healthy.
Who knows what they'll do there. This is a weird
scoring system. Now. I've always liked the fact that Scott
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does different things. I am a belief and Scott was
the first person. I don't want to give him say
he was the first person ever, but he was the
first league I played in that went with the PP one.
That's what I point. First down. I actually think that
should be standard over PP. Others are and I picked up.
You know, I'm a quarterback. I threw a past to
Mike blew it, Mike catches it, but he loses two yards.
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Why is Mike getting a point? Why she shouldn't get
a point? And maybe my sad past he shouldn't. I
like the I do like the combo of the half
point PPR A half point first down. I think that's
an interesting way to tip your toe in the water.
But uh yeah, I totally understand that. I think first
that's getting a first down bad? That's right. When's the
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first down a bad thing? It's never a bad thing, right,
it's never. I'm sure there's some weird situation where it
would be a bad thing, but ninety n it's a
good thing. So that's why I think that should be standard.
Here you mentioned a tight end. You bumped it up
to it's a one point for first down, one point PPR.
That's why they get uh lifted up so much. As
a quarterbacks are going to rule this league. It's six
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points for a touchdown pass you put up all the
other rules, half point for per complation. If you don't
have James Winston probably gonna do very well as a quarterback.
So that's why I looking at yours. You ain't had
to wait six picks. So you got Travis Kelsey, who
I think is the best tight end as well. For
the reason you mentioned, I want Huh, I'll take Mahomes
over Jimmy g any day. And the only quarterback coup
went between there's two but Watson, who yes, I would
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have taken, and Drew Brees, who I would not have
taken anyway. The only lost out on it was Watson
got you got Kyler Murray. I think your draft actually
felt to you nicely in the first two rounds. I agree.
I I was thinking Watson was one of the guys
that was going to target it. I would have taken
my Homes or Jackson if they had fallen to me.
I would not have taken Dak. I'm not that bullish
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on DAK. I think Deshaun Watson is going to be
forced to throw a lot this year. Um, so I
do like him this season. I wanted to go with
Kelsey first. I thought, if Watson comes back around, I'll
grab him, but as I would not have taken Breeze
if he had fell to me. Uh, And he went
one pick before I did, and I got the next
guy that I really liked. I debated it for a
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while about Kyler Murray versus Russell Wilson, but I went
Kyler Murray. I think they're gonna be a very vertical
passing offense. I've talked on this show about his odds
to one offensive Player of the Year in the NFL,
and that was a long shot. But it's an interesting
long shot for Kyler. I like him here, and I
went with him as my first QB. I'll go through
the next couple of picks, George, and then you can comment.
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I was really hoping this next guy would get back
to me because there is some evidence that I have
been looking at through a lot of great research done
by your own Davis Maddock and others, that stacking, particularly
in a league like this, a season long league like this,
can be advantageous. So I get DeAndre Hopkins here to
stack with Kyler Murray, and then I roll back around
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and I'm taking the second QB right here. Um, the
only guys that went in between were Matt Ryan and
Carson wentz I would have considered Matt Ryan not Wentz
h and I went Aaron Rodgers here. His low interception
total combined with a relatively high touchdown total. Even in
what some people considered to be a met here for him,
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he has a high completion percentage. He's really efficient. Maybe
he's not the Aaron Rodgers of old, but in this
scoring system, his touchdown interception ratio george and a high
completion percentage which he typically is able to pull off
is something that I liked. I don't mind what you did.
I think I would have done very sim There's no
way I'm passing up on Hopkins, all right, so that
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that's not gonna happen. I would have taken Hopkins. I
could believe he was the ninth wide receiver gone, No
excuse me, the fifth wide receiver. Gone. I thought I
thought people might. I thought people were gonna jump on him,
and I knew I wasn't. I didn't think I would
get him if I waited. Yeah, I'm like, I'm okay
with where he lasted too, because I can understand why
he would drop a little bit. New team can't work
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out with Kayla, Right, you can go, you can go
on and on, so but still you got your hook
up connection. Whatever you want word you want to use there.
As far as with Kyler Murray, So I like what
you did there and Aaron Rodgers. They're not going thirteen
and three again and that's not happening. But I think
he'll have a better season. Damantez was hurt last year.
Maybe he stays healthy and that be one thing I
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know when when I did compete in the Scott Offish
Bowl is that was there a hundred and twenty drafts
and man, you never know how what your drift is
going to be like every year it seems to change.
When I was in this thing, one year, five quarterbacks
are go in the first round. Next year none you know,
so when you'd be fifteen will go in the first
two round. It was every year was that you just
you never knew because of your division, because you're not
playing with your normal people in this research, you're playing
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with fans. You don't know what they're going to do.
There's significant variants from draft to draft. You don't even
know people know the rules. And it's the Super Flex
League six points for a touchdown patch you need to
quebooks that sort of thing. So I remember last year
when I was in Pat Mahomes went in the second round.
I got him second. Thing was the fourth pick. I
think I had the same pick as you ninth, so
I got in the second round Pat Mahomes. This year,
it didn't even come close. Right, we had the top
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five pick here, so you never know. Here. There's more
than there's many different ways to win the scott Fish Bowl.
A lot of it is going to be luck staying
healthy when you compete against so many people. But uh,
I said, through the first four rounds draft, I have
no qualms whatsoever. I think you did well. Yeah, so
I was really happy with the first four running backs
really had flown off the board. One of the guys
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in the league went four running backs in his first
four picks. He had the first pick, so he's got McCaffrey, Jacobs,
Aaron Jones, and Chris Carson. So I didn't pick a
running back until it was the twenty four running back
off the board, and I went David Johnson. I'm not
enamored with George is actually more bullish on David Johnson
then I am. However, I do see a path for
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this Houston offense to be productive, because I don't I
think they'll be trailing in some more games. Um, I
think they'll have to try to move the ball a
little bit more. Maybe that doesn't favor David Johnson, but
he is a pass catcher. I think he'll be a
primary first down guy. So I went David Johnson here,
swung back around. This is a big debate for me.
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I debated hard between a J. Brown for as my
second wide receiver or mark Ingram, who I'm a longtime
fan of and I still think is being underrated. UM
I was right to debate it because they went back
to back. I just happened to take a J. Brown.
Mark Ingram went next. UM as far as the next picks,
then I started to have to get running backs. I
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just had to start stashing running backs, and I my
next three off the border, Tevin Coleman, Philip Lindsay, and
James White. I think for those guys to go in
the round seven, eight and nine. When I got them,
the number of touches, the amount of first downs catches,
and everything else they can get, I'm feeling pretty good.
My my weakness now is wide receiver, and I will
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be targeting wide receiver for the next several picks. So
the guy that I was really hoping for was Will Fuller. UM.
I didn't get him, but I'm gonna target Alan Lazard
from the Packers to stack him with Aaron Rodgers and uh,
I think Deante Johnson from the Steelers might be my
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next guy because Brandon Cooks went off the board and
that was the other one I was looking at. Yeah,
I think if I was in your situation, I'm still
doing what you did here. I'm not looking at your
dravitsy exactly who was available there. I would have taken
Agier Brand over Ingram as well, only because a lot
of cooks in the kitchen in Baltimore. Lamoite Jackson steals
so many touchdowns as well, I'll go I want to
go with the higher upside guys. Now, you've got your
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top guys, right, you got Deantre Hopkins. Great. Now I
want to go with some high upside wide receivers, guys
that could really lift my team. Is in scott Fish Bowl,
different kind of league. You need those guys to hit anyway, right,
you need to take You need to roll with dice
a little bit in these kinds of leagues to win this.
You're running back. You got a lot of death, a
lot of depth you're gonna need when these guys to
speak up. I like that, and I don't love David Johnson,
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but I do have more faith in them than you'd do.
I think it was only a fine fantasy year last
year until he got hurt banged up a little bit,
and then Kenyan Drake Wally Pitto. Yeah. The tricky part
of this where I am in the draft now in
the middle of the tenth round, is when do I
take that third QUB And I worry that if I
don't take it now, I won't get him. So that's
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that's a good third I know. So that's what I
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Mike Flewett along with George Kurds getting around the world
of the NFL. Do a little bit of college in
the second hour. But George and I here to talk
about the big news of the week. It's always big news, right,
but we this is the biggest news, at least the
biggest piece of news with a dollar sign in front
of it. That's a Patrick Mahomes, as we anticipated, the
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highest paid player in NFL history, or is he. We'll
break down this contract in a moment, but nonetheless, George
Pat Mahomes with the big payday. He gets the largest
contract in UH North American sports history. Yeah, we all
knew this was coming, right, It was just a matter
of when, how much, how many years? That's really what
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we were wondering. I think probably what I was wondering
the most. Mike I knew he would set records. I
didn't know it would be more than Mike Trout, you know,
I was. I knew he'd said football records, you know,
the most money per year. I was gonna break break
forty million a year? Was he gonna break undred fifty
million guaranteedly crushed both those? Good for him? Uh, I
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am a little surprised now. I would the first to
tell you, Mike, I would have taken this contract too.
But I'm a little supposed he didn't want to go
a shorter deal and take another buy at the Apple
once those television contracts kicked in. See what I thought.
I thought I gave here, you know, But like I said,
I have no issue with it. I I would have
done the same thing. Listen, you're gonna get four plus
million guaranteed. Your children's children's children are never gonna have
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to worry, all right. I mean, you're finally taken care
of forever, so you don't you never you'll never spend
this money anyway, but you want to maximize that what
you could have gotten, you could have You could have waited,
but then it isn't worth waiting. I'm sure you would
have talk about this anyway would have been worth waiting.
You didn't. You did have the kne injury last year.
That knee kept moved, which is pretty gross. So maybe
you're thinking about that. I want to make sure I
get paid. I don't blame him, but I do wonder
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if the union would have been like someone finally could
have demanded that guaranteed contract that you know that could
have really set the market. KRK Cuss didn't do it.
Mahomes could have done it. Russell Wilson I thought had
a shot a few years ago. He didn't go for it.
It's because when the owners have the leverage, and they
had the leverage, it was still two more years from Mahomes,
and I think they were afraid the case the owner
is that listen, we wait, he might go Banhanna's on us,
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So we've got to give a game breaking deal. Now. Yeah,
there's a lot of data that you could go through,
and I think unfortunately we're still at a point even
where people that are fans really don't have a good
grasp of these contract issues. You and I talk about
it a lot. It's something I'm very interested in, and
even though I still admit there's many things that I
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don't understand about it, but I go through this stuff.
I think it's always important to look at the numbers
and make sure you have a good understanding of what
it is that he got here. Now. Uh, he said
it wasn't about the money, which I was find is
silly because you got on paper potential five hundred million
dollar deal. Um. But to some extent, he didn't go
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for the max, George, he didn't go for the guarantee,
and he didn't go for a longer term guarantee that
he could be the highest paid player. As he says
here on Instagram, Kansas City, We're just getting started. This
is home. Uh. We'll go through a few tweets here.
Adam Schefter had reported that he had two years and
twenty seven point six million left on his existing deal. Uh,
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the ten year extensions worth over four hundred million. Uh
that that that's out of date that tweet. But as
field Yate says here, surpassing Mike Trouts four hundred twenty
six and a half million for the largest contract ever
in North American sports history. So that's the key. George
Lee Steinberg, his agent wanted the big number. They they
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wanted to be able to say it's the largest contract
in North American sports history, and they got that. Now,
you and I talked about guarantees. There's a hundred and
forty million guaranteed for injury. That's really the full guarantee.
We'll break it down a little bit further and how
he can make a bunch more than that, But that's
really the number. Is the one forty guarantee for injury
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goes out next year Alex Smith type injury, God forbid,
knocking wood. He's got a hundred and forty mil, as
you said, more than it's generational wealth right there on
the hundred forty mil. But um, you and I did
also talk about his contract just a week ago, maybe
it's two weeks ago that we thought his guarantees because
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we were not assuming that he was going to sign
a twelve year deal, we thought his guarantees could approach
a hundred and eighty million dollars. So for it to
be one forty while it's the most ever in NFL history, EA,
surpassing Matt Ryan, it is light compared to what I
thought he could get. Oh, I agree with you, and
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I'm not blaming Pat Mahomes here because I think it's
uh you know when they say it's not about the money,
Come on, all right, you want to get paid. I
get it. I have no problem with you getting paid none. Okay,
so it is about the money. But I also think
with Mahomes, he's sort of thinking, well, you know what,
I want to make sure I have good players around me.
I want to win again once again. If I have
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a hundred forty million, A hundred eighty million doesn't matter,
all right, I'm never gonna spend it, you know, so
why not make sure I can have players like Travis Kelsey,
you know, a good offensive line, guys to protect me,
guys the cast about a running back who could take
some of some of the pressure off. I think that's
part of the reason that he looked into that listen.
I think he could have done something like, and I
was wondering this, I want to make sure of the
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cap every year, you know, might at he's eighteen point five. Now,
uh so I want to have every year cap goes up,
he goes up, and now we're covered. That's way he
don't eat. This way he doesn't have to ask four
you know a certain amount of money, let me does
not to ask for a certain amount of cash. So
he could have done that. Uh, and what you said
is perfect. People have to understand football contracts aren't guaranteed.
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When Mike Trout signed his ten year, four and fifty
million dollar deal, he's getting four at fifty million dollars,
no matter what happens, he's unless he retires, he's getting for.
That's not true with Pat Mahomes. He just went over it.
He's only guaranteed if he gets hit by a bus
a hundred forty million, that's all he's guaranteed for. He'll
get more than that, of course, but that's all he's
guaranteed for. He'll you know, he probably is not going
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to see you know, the last couple of years. They'll
they're renegotiated. They'll do with Drew Brees and so that's
another component. That's another component. Let me bring Andrew Brand's
tweet in here for a sec. In two thousand one,
when he was a Packers, gm I gave Brad Forvar
a ten year deal averaging eleven point to five million
when the cap was sixty million. That was eighteen point
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seven five of the cap. Pat Mahome Holmes gets twelve
year deal averaging thirty seven and a half million, four
fifty over twelve when cap is two million, eighteen point
seven five of the cap, so his percentage of the
cap remains the same. Now absolutely having it be a
team friendly deal can endear him to Chiefs fans. He'll
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still make an ungodly amount of money if he never
gets injured, He'll keep getting these roster bonuses, which is
mainly how this deal is structured. It really effectively is
a deal through four and then it's just roster bonuses
getting guaranteed typically a year early. So people are comparing
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it to dak if Dad keeps getting franchised out and
he would make more money than Pat Mahomes in the
next several years. Also guaranteed money for the next three
years or the turn out for the next three years.
Mahomes will see about sixty three million in cash what
Teddy Bridgewater is getting. So in the early part of
this deal it is an as lucrative. Where it starts
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to add up is that if he's on the league
roster for their fifth day of one next year, which
you know we're only like eight months away from that,
he gets the bonus for three. That's thirty four million bucks.
He adds another year two. If he's on the team
in the fifth year, which is not even two years
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from now, he gets another thirty four million for the
four season. He's getting these kickers as he goes year
over year. His base salary is close to minimum at
two and a half million dollars, but he's being paid
a roster bonus about a year and a half in
advance of playing George. So that's really how he's making
the money. But to your point, the end of this
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contract is all throwaways. He's got no pro rated bonuses.
His salary is light, and it will be particularly light then,
so these bonuses can be converted to cash, extended out
further and further. Pat Mom was gonna be thirty six
at the time if he just if they never renegotiated,
it will be third six. We'll see where he's at then.
I know everybody thinks all these guys have played until
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their forty now, but you might not want to. Guys
might get tired of that and be like, hey, I've
I've got four hundred million dollars. I'm pretty tired, so
I'm gonna call it a day, you know, I don't
know that he'll do that. But everybody, yeah, did you
look at tired of getting beat up? It's really a kid.
He get tired again, beat up. We had money in
the bank and hey, as you just said, I don't
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like it anymore. Done. We're seeing couple of players look
at their long term health more and more here. You know,
I think that's going to keep happening over the next tent.
Probably the weird thing is that the quarterbacks are are old.
Now that's the funny. That's the funny dynamic that is happening.
You're right, But but now look at the league right now.
We got to forty year olds. We got Eli just
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walked away, but Phil Rivers and Ben Aaron Rodgers not
young Matt. Ryan's like thirty five, and he's not slowing down.
It's just a it's an odd dynamic where the quarterbacks
in favorite protective You can't. I mean, I'm the guy
who likes to watch old, old games, old cowboy games.
I see him. It was actually a game in nineteen
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seventy seven, yes, say Cowboys Redskins. Joe Tisman got killed.
I mean really, he just got trying. I mean, there
were so many penalties in that game if that game
was played today, because he was getting bump, crushed up,
high up blow. It was like a free for all.
And you can't do that anymore. You know, the illegal
tackles back, they're not dirty tackles, but they were hard hits.
You never see that. You rarely see that on a
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quarterback anymore. Every rule was designed to protect him. Plus
the systems are you know, three five step drop giving
to the football, get rid of it, don't stand back
there forever. You know that sort of thing. The fact
that you can't you can't bug the receivers anymore. Down
the field, they're open. Quicker quarter get rid of the bull.
That's why we're seeing the quarterdex played forever, assuming you
can play. Mahomes likes to run around a little bit.
That's why I wonder if he won't be one of
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these guys, because he will take some hits by moving around,
scrambling and doing what he does. He's not a scrambler.
He's not the Mark Jackson, but I do want of
hisson where he's take. He's pretty good at avoiding it.
The baseball players, the two guys that are baseball players
who seemed to be the best at avoiding uh contact. Yeah. So, UM,
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I have to ask this because it's a it's a show.
It's not a straight debate show, but we have these debates.
Uh you think he got too much, too little? Or
is it right on? I think you could have gotten
more I do, or just structure a different way. He'll
he knows he'll get paid more. Um. But in the end,
I said, I would have signed this too. And if
I'm playing and I'm getting you know you're gonna make
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more than one for are you making at least two
fifty out of this? I'm flying with that as long
as the team is going to put that money into
once again, my protection, my players to throw the ball to,
you know, my help, and I think Kansas City is
going to do that. I have no problem with what
he did here, But I think do I think he
could have gotten more? Sure? Absolutely, I Look, I didn't
really see the twelve year or ten year extension coming. It's,
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you know, my fault for not seeing that. But I
was thinking of it in terms of five year deal.
I thought he would get heavy guarantees and go to
free agency again. The reality is, by the end of
this deal, even halfway through this deal, even with him
getting these roster bonuses, he'll be significantly underpaid. He definitely
will not be the highest paid quarterback for long He's
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not even now. It'll take him a couple of years
to even get there, and by the time he gets
there to be the highest paid, he may already not
be the highest paid. It'll have the biggest contract long term,
but on an average annual salary basis no way. I
think Dak's gonna pass him, possibly even by next year
if Dallas steps up, although I don't think they're gonna
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do it this week. We can talk about that a
little bit more after the Breaks and Stacks. Dak is
one of the stories on the Doctor for today, but
Pat mahomes a good week. I thought it could have
been better, but no complaints, right agent. Big comeback story
for release Diinberg. Credit to him. He went through some
to times in his life and he comes back to
earn the biggest contract in North American history for PATA
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and it gives team friendly and I'll say, you could
have gotten more, but it's not a big l small
lat the wind wind for everybody with a lot of
dollars times after so George and I'll be right back
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mp blew Itt. As in Michael Patrick, that's how I
got that. It's not very original, but what am we
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gonna do? Alright, So let's talk about Raheem Moster. So
there's a little drama about this nonsense. By the way,
Brett Tesler, his agent of Tesler Sports, says after months
of unproductive talks with the forty nine is about fairly
adjusting Raheem Mostert's contract, which paid him for special teams,
is really a special team's first player when he was signed.
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We have requested a trade. Disappointing that it would come
to this for a guy who led all NFL running
backs in yards per carry and helped lead them to
the super Bowl. It's per carry is not the best
stat by the way, Brett Tesler, I'm just telling you.
But in any event, Uh then some fake Twitter account
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comes out later in the week saying we we send
our trade request. The person used a capital I instead
of an L and Tesler and approximated a rescinding of
the trade, which some Internet sleuth found out to be false.
So just to those who think that the trade got rescinded,
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it didn't. The trade request got rescinded, it didn't. There's
still requesting a trade. I don't think he's gonna get traded, George.
I think he wants Tevin Coleman's salary, which is actually
pretty reasonable at four and a half million dollars. I
think they're looking to get something in that range. I
think this is trying to provide leverage for for them
to trade him. I don't think it makes any sense.
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Do the Niners feel like they can plug Jeff Wilson
in or somebody else behind Tevin Coleman in order to
pick up yards. I think they think that, but I
do think they'd rather have most are there. Jerick McKinnon,
by the way, can't even cut on his surgically repaired
knee as of yet, so I don't know that he's
an actual option. There are so many reasons why this
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is not going to happen now. We don't know what
was going on behind the scenes. Perhaps Test authority asked
the forty nine is to trade him privately and nothing happened.
So now he made it public because he had nothing
to lose here. But as soon as you make your
trade request public, you lose all leverage the team. Because
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let's let's stick fantasy. If I know that Mike Blewett
has to trade a certain player, I have leverage over Mike.
I'm not offering you the max. I know you have
to trade him. You know, Mike has a roster kraunch,
He has six running backs, has to get rid of one.
He Mike, I'll take this one off here, but I'm
giving you seven cents on the dollar, So that hurts that.
That's number one. Number two is Raheem Most Before last season,
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no one even heard of Raheem Moster. Okay, I mean
the biggest, the thing at most it was really involved
in was that Matthew Berry rant on that Monday night
game when most of couldn't get him the one point
that he needed. All right, that's the biggest time. We
have't even heard the most for the most part. All right.
So Jeff wils is the same thing. Never heard of
these guys most they have big seasons. Perhaps it's not you,
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Perhaps it's the system. The first thing I'd be thinking,
it's not you. You know, you aren't somebody who was
big coming out of college that used to be I
can't miss You're not that, you know. And Kevin Colwyn
does well in your system. Wilson does well in your system.
Matt Brada did will well in that system, which brings
up you already trade your breda. You mentioned McKinnon, no
idea he's ever gonna come back. Don't sounded good for
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McKinnon on his knee. I feel bad for him. It
is sad. I think his career is probably towards the end.
This is why football players need to get their money
as soon as they can be called. MacKinnon is a
perfect example of this. But again, but once again it
tests their depth. So once again I said, Most is
not a superstar. Who's going to trade for him? I
want to pay him. I understand it's not much. He's not,
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you know, a gazillion dollars, but still want to pay
him that salary and then give up what Sanfred wants
as a return. It's not gonna happen. How many teams
out there do you think need a running back that Most?
It's definitely better than and the A're gonna pay the
salary and give up the talent he has zero a
chance of being dealt. Yeah, they're just gonna have to
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give him to make good sort of bump and pay.
That's the only thing he could really be hoping for.
But it's not looking good. But that's that's where they're at.
It's the part, the funky part about all of this, George,
is like we're talking about all this and this stuff
might not even happen, do you know what I mean?
Whether you're you're doing your fantasy draft or you're prepping,
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and all the stories were about to get into They
have to do it. You have to conduct business. But um,
the hoster most are excuse me, is request I don't
even know what I said. UH, is requesting a trade
into a season that might not even happen and certainly
might be abbreviated. So the next story, this is a
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fun one. Tom Pellicero of the NFL Network is reporting
that the NFL reported earlier this week excuse me, that
the NFL p A informed its sport of representatives that
the NFL proposed of player salaries be held in ESCO
to help manage costs during season. Per sort for sources,
it's one option on the table if revenue was impacted
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leaguewide by COVID nineteen. That last sentence I find curious
because he says if revenue is impacted, I think it's
obviously going to be impacted unless the COVID magic magically
goes away sometime in the next six weeks. I think
it's going to be impacted. Tom. But Uh, the key
part in this whole tweet is proposed, So it's not
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like the NFL player p A is okay with this.
In fact, the NFL p A. While they don't often
have leverage, they might actually have some leverage here to
just get paid um. As the league year moves towards
this season, and it's that first that last Saturday, right
before we get to the season, those NFL veteran salaries
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become fully guaranteed. So that's when the NFL is really
trying to no negotiate before George to ensure that that
doesn't happen. But I don't I don't really know how
the NFL can make this work. I think the NFL
p A has leverage in this instance and they're not
going to agree to this. Don't mind me, I'm choking
like the NFL p A was once they heard that
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s grow thing. When I first saw her, this first
thing that came to my mind was Christian Ledger, dark Knight,
and away we go, Here we go. Here's the here's
the fight. We saw it between the MLB and MLB
p A in here. Now it started with NFL and
NFL p A. I'll give them this. At least they
started early, all right. At least they didn't wait till
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middle August before they started fighting about this. Uh, Damien
Woody on Twitter had the great response to it. In response,
this hell no, hell no h And as Andrew Brandt said,
there will be lawyers, there will be lawyers. He says
that for everything He's right, they're always lawyers. This is
gonna be a problem, and we knew it was going
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to be a problem. Once again, I get the logic.
I do understand the logic. Not be any fans in
the stands you should take less, but as you always
point out, you're a guaranteed to make a certain amount
of money. This is not my problem. Your employee I
get paid and your football player. Once again, why should
you be paid less when you're still risking the same risk.
There's an odd assumption that you're guaranteed to make a
(21:19):
profit every year that you run this type of business,
no matter what you are not It is like every
other business. Understand there are collective bargaining agreements place that
prevent uh certain things. But people that are pro ownership
seem to back them up on this point, like why
should they lose money? I don't know. Why should they
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be guaranteed to make money? No business is guaranteed to
make money, right, I mean, if you're working for whatever
IBM whatever home depot, which is actually owned by the Falcons,
owner of the blank. But if you do, you're you're
not are you taking if home people has a bad year,
you said, oh, that's okay, I'll take twice less of
my salary. No, you did your work, you did your job. Yeah,
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why you've taken this? And why should a football player
or baseball player for that meant to take less. It's
just when it comes to a football player, I say
this over and over again. I will never begrudge a
football players money. Your life is not going to be
the same after football. It's just not. And we just
talked about Jerk McKinnon. His career maybe over at that
one injury, you know, and so other places a contract
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before it, and that contract is dust right poof because
it's not guaranteed. So I don't know why he's playing.
Why anyone thinks a player should take less, especially a
football player who's putting I'm not gonna say he's putting
his life on the line, but he's putting his health
on the line, you know, every time and every play alignment,
I mean every play you have, you have grenades around
your feet with people diving at you fully around your ankles,
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your knees, that can be a broken ankle, broke us
towards ligaments at any point anytime. I know it is
a different sport, but I actually don't begrudge them in
the other sports either, for for the reason that there
is a limited shelf life on what you can earn,
and not every guy is Mike trout Um. There's there's
hundreds of you, and I follow Major League Baseball very
(23:08):
closely for decades. There you could name a hundred baseball
players that have played in the last thirty years. It
would be like, I don't really remember that guy and
really ring a bell, you know what I mean, And
we mostly you probably do better a little better than me.
But I'm making a point to say, like those guys
could have had seven year careers and I don't really
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remember it, right, but a guy elbow and he lost
his opportunity to make money. I'm just saying there are
hundreds of guys like that in MLB in NFL that
we don't even really remember some of these guys because
they were a guard or that they were a utility
guy in Major League Baseball for seven years and like
they were retired by the time they were thirty one
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and then they got to go get a job. Why
a different job. There's a cool job that they have,
but now it's over. In their thirty one they have
a family. So I say a lot to say. I
don't really begrudge these guys. I get it. I'm not
always pro player. I think MLB p A made some
mistakes during the negotiating process. I didn't think they were
innocent and all of it. But it does come back
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to the point that you made originally when I started
this ridiculous rant about UH people backing owners to say
they should Why should they lose money? I don't know.
Why should they make money? I get that there's some
logic associated with the players having to take a hit,
but they're they're not in on the team that is
guaranteed to gain value next year. Listen, if you want
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to convince me that an owner any of these teams
are losing money, open up the books. Let me see
the books. Until then, I'll have I have a hard
time believing any of these owners really as losing money.
They're not making as much, I'll give them that, but
losing money, you know, they don't count things other things
that they should be counting to oh what I count
with TV money, because that's not really what the players
it's all weird accounting. Uh. They'll tell you they lost
(24:55):
four billion dollars because they're making six not ten. Right,
it's not you didn't lose money, well you did made less.
You made less. It's just a it's a different way
of worry. It's lawyers speak. It's always his lawyers speak.
It's why I don't don't trust anybody. But why do
we you mentioned it? Why do we automatically get on
We like the owners were happy, Well, we don't mind them,
but we hate the players. I think it's becos we
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see the players. You know maybe what made that Some
of these players too, because they cost your money gambling
or your fantasy league or at the events whatever. You know,
you know this guy struck out, I didn't win money.
So I think sometimes you just we see the players
on TV. You asked Jerry Jones and you know Robert
craft Snyder's. You don't see these the owners all that much.
Most fans can't name an owner you know of you know,
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name who's who's the Seattle Seahak's own a real quick,
tough and trust right now. But that's complicated. I wasn't
asking you. I know you would know the answer. You know,
I wouldn't even know that. You know the popular owners,
but you won't know the other owners. See, you have
no one to blame. There were playing blame Goodell because
he's the figurehead. But it's just it's just the different thing.
I never understand why we automatically blame the players for everything. Yeah. Uh,
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we're gonna get into some of the policies that are
coming along with COVID next and how NFLPA responded. One
good thing fell t A and the NFL have agreed
on travel protocols for training camp and pre season that
is about to be ratified within the next couple of days,
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So at least they are on the same page on
one thing, George. But a lot more to go before
the season kicks off, so we'll come back with more
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some upcoming policies that are trying to be put into
place as we try to get training camps going. George,
were only about two two to three weeks out from
training camp. A little about three weeks out from training camp.
Obviously that Hall of Fame game between the Steelers and
Cowboys not happening. Teams trying to get back to training
camp July thereabouts, but there's still a lot of policies
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that need to be put in place. And you see
one reaction here from J. C. Treader, who is the
president of the NFL p A, and he released a
statement which I'll get into a little bit more, but
the highlight of the quote is that of the statement
is this quote. It's that every decision this year that
priority prioritizes normalcy over innovation, custom over science, or even
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football over health, significantly reduces our chances of completing the
full season. So obviously he's reacting to some of the
policies that are being suggested and he wants to make
sure that things are safe for these guys. We'll get
into a little bit of player reactions specifically J. J.
Watt in a moment, but J. C. Treader, I think
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he's shown early that he's trying to be a leader,
and he's he's been pretty sharp with at least what
he's been releasing. He's not the only one putting this
stuff together, but I thought he did a nice job
here to prioritize where their focus is. The players are
actually seemingly prioritizing the important things in life more than
the owners, or at least that's worth. They're trying to
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make sure people are perceiving. You cannot quarantine this virus,
no matter what they do, all these protocols. I see,
you can't stop the virus. It can minimize it. I
but you're playing football. You know you're gonna have huddles.
You know you're going to have the quarterback of the
line of scripts screaming out the plays all right, which
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is screaming is bad? Right? Uh, it's more salive. I
guess can fly ahead of your mouth. That's bad. You're
going to have blocking and then you're going to have tackling,
all right, all these other stuff that's just you know,
it's icing stuff like that, you know, you know, but
the meal is already cooked. I mean, it's you're gonna
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have problems here, you want all this other stuff like that.
It's just you you can minimize it, and they should, don't,
you know what, they should do this. But if you're
honestly prioritize the health of a football, there would be
no football. You cannot probably you cannot. You can't tell
me you're prioritizing health of a football. You're not. You're
trying to minimize the risk, which is great. What it's
what you should be doing. But any of these football
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players or any player really in any sport who thinks
they're going to be safe, you're kidding yourself. You're just
you're just kidding yourself. Football. It's much less than that
you're going to have problems here that you have to
come to grips with that. Hey, there's a chance, there's
a chance I might get this because of my my job.
What I'm going to play? I know, listen. I'll mean
the first to tell you, Mike, if I was a
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professional athlete, odds are I play. It's my mindset. I'd
want to play. I would. I would risk it as well,
so I get it. You know that I would play
here but yeah, I would also know that, Hey, there's
a chance I'm going to get I know my wife
being a nurse, there's a chance I was going to
get it. I told my wife that, don't worry. I
understand you were you working hospital, you come home, You've
treated COVID patients. I might get it. I understand. I'm
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not gonna be mad at you. I think football play
the same thing if you do. If you will elect
to play, then you understood there's a chance I might
get it. I don't want to hear you blaming early
everybody else, assuming they do take whatever necessary precautions they can. Yeah. Um,
he says a little bit. I encourage everybody to read
the entire statement. I can't go through all of it here,
but um, he's saying. Players don't just want to return
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to work. We want to stay at work. We did
our dude. Dealings reviewed the impact of returning to play
football after an unusually long period away. For example, following
the extended break after the two thousand and eleven lockout,
injuries increased by achilles injuries more than doubled than hamstring
strains went up forty percent. They tried to form they
had formed a joint committee of doctors, trainers, and strength
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coaches with the NFL as a present as a preventative measure.
The NFL became, in his eyes, became unwilling to follow
the joint committee's recommendation of a forty eight day training
camp schedule. He's not just talking about COVID concerns. He's
talking about other health concerns, which I, frankly, have talked
about a lot. In terms of baseball. I'd be really
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concerned if I was a baseball player a picture that
ramped up through spring training, took a few months off,
then tried to ramp up again to start throwing. I
have no idea what that's going to do to people.
Maybe it won't have an impact, but I would be
personally concerned. So other things that they're trying to put
in place, George as a preventative measure via again Tom Palaceero.
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But what we're seeing here is the reaction from Richard Sherman.
The teams will be for forbidden from postgame interactions within
six ft of each other, and jersey exchanges between players
will be prohibited during the season. There's also no media
allowed in the clubhouses and a bunch of other stuff.
Richard Sherman says here this is a perfect example of
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NFL thinking in a nutshell. Players can go engage in
a full contact game and do it safely. However, it
is deemed unsafe for them to exchange jerseys after said game.
If you laughing emojis, I think he's right. It's like, really,
we're gonna knock into each other for sixty minutes, but
we can't give a hug and a hand pound and
exchange jerseys. What are we doing? You see? And I
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think this quote is kind of silly on Sherman's part. Yeah,
he's right. Well, what do you want the NFL to do? Yeah?
Like I said, they have to minimize what they have
to minimize what they can minimize. All right, if they
did nothing about these the jersey swaps and something happened,
we would kill the NFL. Absolutely killer. How did they
all stop this? We do this, and it was bad
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to have players do this at their game, sweaty, dirty clothes,
blah blah blah blah. Don't people can't win here. So Richard,
if you're worried about it, opt out. Don't play that.
This is what I mean. Once you opt into play
as soon the NFL takes all necessary precautions, and this
would be one of the old necessary precautions. You can't
bitch about this stuff. We all know it's going to
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be I think dangerous is probably too tough work here,
But it could be unhealthy to play. You might catch cold,
you might No one's lying to you here, you might
catch it. If you think it's uh, you know, it's tupid,
higher risk. Opt out. No one's saying you shouldn't. I'm
not gonna get on anybody for opting out, not in
the least, Not in the least. If you think it's
dangerous for whatever reason, to yourself, to your family, unborn children,
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your pregnant wife, sick relative at home, whatever it is,
opt out. But don't be blaming the end of us.
And I'd love to blame the NFL and a lot
of things. But what do you want them to do, Richard?
What do you want me to do? Cancel this season?
What you can plain it about that too? Yeah? And
by the way, guys can just violated anyway. Are they're
gonna get fined? I don't even know what the punishment
is if you exchange jerseys or hugged it out or whatever.
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So um and by the way, they said post game
if you're if you're the other team's kneeling it out,
it's not post game. You could just hug it out
while the clock is running, right, you wouldn't get fine
because it's technically still during the game. So I'll throw
up a quick MLS tweet here because it's gonna lead
to this point. Uh. And this is Paul uh Tnario here.
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He's a National Soccer reporter UH and he stated, uh
that Nashville SC is out of the MLS is back tournament.
As we mentioned earlier, it's the second NLS team that
had to back out of the tournament. So things are
starting to fall apart for MLS. And it's uh sort
of leads into this J. J. Watt quote George and
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he says he was on a podcast, uh with Pro
Football Talk. He said, I think that every guy's situation
is different. There could be a guy for giving us
I put my glasses on. There could be a guy
who as a child with asthma and really just doesn't
want to bring it back home, or you have a
pregnant life. I think that the one thing I would
say to that is there should be a stigma if
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you do choose to opt out, if there is a
legitimate reason for you to be opting out, you don't
feel comfortable, whether it's yourself, whether it's for your family.
I don't personally think there should be a stigma for that,
because you're making the best decision for yourself and for
your family. If we ever get to the point where
we're shaming people for dropping out of a sport because
they want to protect the health of their family, then
we're in a tough spot. I think what he said
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is very reasonable. I get what he's saying, and I
think it is I just don't know with football specifically,
if as many guys will opt out. UM, somebody like
j J. Wat can right, he's recently he's recently married.
I don't know if he's planning a family. UM. Baseball,
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we've seen some guys opt out already. We've seen some
basketball players opt out. UM. But football is a little different.
You know, if you're a guy that's sort of making
your way in the NFL world and you're trying to
earn that money, which is as we talk about all
the time in NFL kind of limited you're just trying
to get Maybe you're on a five million dollar deal.
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It's a lot of money, right, I don't know. I
don't know if as many football players are going to
opt out. I'm really curious. I agree with you id football,
it's probably the one spot were more should be opting out,
But probably not because your shelf life is so short.
His career as what three years. You know, you gotta
make that money while you can. You know, you're trying
to really show something to get that next big contract.
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Oh you're only big contract. Plus so many guys in
the NFL are fungible, George, where like the team is
just like, yeah, fine, you're cut. We'll bring somebody else in.
But as J J said, I'm not blaming anybody for
opting out, not at all. We haven't really heard about
football yet because we're still a couple of months away.
We hear about baseball. You mentioned as about eight players
who have opted out so far, David Price being the
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biggest name there. But Mike Trout came out the other
day and said he's not so sure yet if he's
going to play because pregnant wife at home. Right. Bryce
Harper has an infant and a pregnant wife at home.
Zach Wheeler pregnant wife at home, and they're all sort
of you know, Trout probably more than the other. Wheeler
has said he might play up until the baby is born.
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Which is strange, is any of the baby is gonna
be born, like within a week or two out of
the season starts. Why be working out? That's hardly gonna
stop at the two or three starts, whatever it is.
But I just find that strange. But I don't think
you can blame any of these players. Football is gonna
have the same problems. These guys are gonna have families
at home, young kids, babies, infants, oh, pregnant wives. You'd
be living with a relative who's going to be you know,
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have up there for risk and you can have to
make tough choices. But whether or not you should play
this is really a choice we should all be making. Mike.
I brought up earlier on another show. The hockey rink
I work at opened up this week. It's an outdoor rink.
But and they called me. He asked me to come
in ref or what days I want to the ref
And first day they was talked to my wife, are
you okay with this. You know, do you want me
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to rep what precautions? If you do want me to
refer what precoorsees? Do you want me to take? You know?
And we pretty much decided yes, I can go rep up.
When I come home, I need to change in the garage,
you know, take off all the clothes, will wash them
and go take a shower immediately, you'll wash your hands
and obviously all that stuff. And this is a football player.
It's almost the same sort of thing here. If you're
going to go go what pre course are you going
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to take? Maybe you don't come home. Maybe you're gonna
rent the hotel room and really change there, right, wash
up there, then come home, you know, culling stuff like
that to minimize risk. But he's really a conversation that
everybody needs to have, not just professional athletes. Yeah. Yeah,
it's it's tricky, and you know, J. J. Watt, I
think it's a pretty outspoken NFL player. I think, uh
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some a lot of players end up following his lead.
He's done a lot of charitable work, obviously in the
Houston area, notably after the Hurricane Harvey. I believe it
was that devastated the Houston area, So I think people
look to him on guidance. Look, he's a is a
now a really veteran NFL player with a massive Hall
of Fame resume behind him, maybe his best station behind him.
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But it doesn't mean he's not outspoken on these issues.
And I, you know, I think him saying something like
that might provide cover for the for the few players
that I do opt out. I think it's just the
dynamic of that sport is different. I actually don't. I've
said with baseball, I think as many as a roster
full of players can opt out before we get to
the season. Um in the NFL, I don't know. I
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don't think it will happen, right, I just think there's
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on the grid. Closing out this hour of football, Fool
Circle had a little bit of fun with this one,
a little fantasy football segment. George and I long history
of being fantasy football analysts, hosts and the like, and
I'm playing in scott fish Bowl this year. Scott fish
Bowl is a industry league that was started. UH. This
is the tenth edition of it, and it was started
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in an effort to get more of the industry folks
playing together with fans to have a little bit of
fun with it. There's no money on the line, but
it is also in conjunction with a great cause, UH
Fantasy Cares dot net. Please go there to try to donate,
or you can go to scott Fishbowl dot com back
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slash donate in order to try to raise money. Last
year it was I think in the vicinity of forty dollars.
That money generally goes to a kind of a Toys
for Tots scenario where they go purchase a whole bunch
of toys for kids, uh in certain cities around the country.
So I've really grown to love this league. It's a
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lot of fun. I got randomly put into leagues. There's
a theme every year. This is this year's theme was toys.
So I'm in the bay Blades division. If you out
there don't know what bay Blades are, you don't have
a little kid. I have a seven year old son
and he's been into bay Blades for about two years.
They have cartoons and all this merchandise, but really it
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is uh. I can't really describe it. It's like it's
a game where you have these metal things that you
can spin quickly on this little playing surface and they
bash into each other. One of them blows up, you
lose a point. You play a game this way. It's
a it's a it's a it's a thing that he loves.
So I picked that in his honor. So shout out
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to Owen in any event. Funky scoring here. Um it's
a twelve there are four hundred and forty teams, but
you just play in your division, your conference as it were.
Um so I'm playing with eleven opponents twelve team league effectively.
But here's the scoring. Half point uh per half point
ppr uh and half point first down. Unless you're a
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tight end, it's a full point for each of those.
The funky scoring that comes into play, which he changes
stuff up every year this year is quarterbacks. Quarterbacks will
receive a half a point for every completion, minus one
for every incompletion, and minus one for each sack. Also
six point passing touchdowns minus four for interception minus two
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if that gets uh returned. So if your guy throws
two touchdowns on the day and his one pick is
a pick six, you lose out on one of those
touch two. So uh So anyway, so there's the scoring
uh and George. It really set up to me to
be more of an emphasis on an more some of
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the more elite quarterbacks, which I was picking from the
nine hole and decided that I was going to go quarterback.
Ear don't always do that in this league, but in
this instance, as much I was decided I was going
to go quarterback early, I did also decide because of
the kicker for the good tight ends. I said at nine,
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if a bunch of running backs go off the board,
I'm taking one of these tight ends, and I did,
and I had the first choice, and I went with
Kelsey over Kittle. I debated it, but I'm putting my
money on Patrick Mahomes to have another great year where
he can play potentially more games, and Kittle, as great
as he is, he's working with Jimmy Geese. So that's
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really the reason I picked Kelsey's upside over Kiddles even though,
I think you could have gone either way. I've seen
Kiddle go first in some of these conferences. Yeah, I've
were talking to you. But when it was your pick, uh,
there and a quarterback had already gone off the board
by then, Mahomes was gone and Mark Jackson was gone,
Deck was gone. Obviously, if obviously one of the first
two was there, Yeah, I had taken a quarterback, I
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would have done the same as you. You know, all
of the course, after the first couple of quarterbacks are gone,
everyone else still have in that same boat. If DeShawn
Watson still had DeAndre Hopkins, different story here. I would
have taken Watson at your picked, but he didn't. He
has a whole bunch of good receivers but can't stay healthy.
Who knows what they'll do there. This is a weird
scoring system. Now. I've always liked the fact that Scott
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does different things. I am a belief and Scott was
the first person. I don't want to give him say
he was the first person ever, but he was the
first league I played in that went with the PP one.
That's what I point. First down. I actually think that
should be standard over PP. Others are and I picked up.
You know, I'm a quarterback. I threw a past to
Mike blew it, Mike catches it, but he loses two yards.
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Why is Mike getting a point? Why she shouldn't get
a point? And maybe my sad past he shouldn't. I
like the I do like the combo of the half
point PPR A half point first down. I think that's
an interesting way to tip your toe in the water.
But uh yeah, I totally understand that. I think first
that's getting a first down bad? That's right. When's the
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first down a bad thing? It's never a bad thing, right,
it's never. I'm sure there's some weird situation where it
would be a bad thing, but ninety n it's a
good thing. So that's why I think that should be standard.
Here you mentioned a tight end. You bumped it up
to it's a one point for first down, one point PPR.
That's why they get uh lifted up so much. As
a quarterbacks are going to rule this league. It's six
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points for a touchdown pass you put up all the
other rules, half point for per complation. If you don't
have James Winston probably gonna do very well as a quarterback.
So that's why I looking at yours. You ain't had
to wait six picks. So you got Travis Kelsey, who
I think is the best tight end as well. For
the reason you mentioned, I want Huh, I'll take Mahomes
over Jimmy g any day. And the only quarterback coup
went between there's two but Watson, who yes, I would
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have taken, and Drew Brees, who I would not have
taken anyway. The only lost out on it was Watson
got you got Kyler Murray. I think your draft actually
felt to you nicely in the first two rounds. I agree.
I I was thinking Watson was one of the guys
that was going to target it. I would have taken
my Homes or Jackson if they had fallen to me.
I would not have taken Dak. I'm not that bullish
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on DAK. I think Deshaun Watson is going to be
forced to throw a lot this year. Um, so I
do like him this season. I wanted to go with
Kelsey first. I thought, if Watson comes back around, I'll
grab him, but as I would not have taken Breeze
if he had fell to me. Uh, And he went
one pick before I did, and I got the next
guy that I really liked. I debated it for a
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while about Kyler Murray versus Russell Wilson, but I went
Kyler Murray. I think they're gonna be a very vertical
passing offense. I've talked on this show about his odds
to one offensive Player of the Year in the NFL,
and that was a long shot. But it's an interesting
long shot for Kyler. I like him here, and I
went with him as my first QB. I'll go through
the next couple of picks, George, and then you can comment.
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I was really hoping this next guy would get back
to me because there is some evidence that I have
been looking at through a lot of great research done
by your own Davis Maddock and others, that stacking, particularly
in a league like this, a season long league like this,
can be advantageous. So I get DeAndre Hopkins here to
stack with Kyler Murray, and then I roll back around
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and I'm taking the second QB right here. Um, the
only guys that went in between were Matt Ryan and
Carson wentz I would have considered Matt Ryan not Wentz
h and I went Aaron Rodgers here. His low interception
total combined with a relatively high touchdown total. Even in
what some people considered to be a met here for him,
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he has a high completion percentage. He's really efficient. Maybe
he's not the Aaron Rodgers of old, but in this
scoring system, his touchdown interception ratio george and a high
completion percentage which he typically is able to pull off
is something that I liked. I don't mind what you did.
I think I would have done very sim There's no
way I'm passing up on Hopkins, all right, so that
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that's not gonna happen. I would have taken Hopkins. I
could believe he was the ninth wide receiver gone, No
excuse me, the fifth wide receiver. Gone. I thought I
thought people might. I thought people were gonna jump on him,
and I knew I wasn't. I didn't think I would
get him if I waited. Yeah, I'm like, I'm okay
with where he lasted too, because I can understand why
he would drop a little bit. New team can't work
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out with Kayla, Right, you can go, you can go
on and on, so but still you got your hook
up connection. Whatever you want word you want to use there.
As far as with Kyler Murray, So I like what
you did there and Aaron Rodgers. They're not going thirteen
and three again and that's not happening. But I think
he'll have a better season. Damantez was hurt last year.
Maybe he stays healthy and that be one thing I
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know when when I did compete in the Scott Offish
Bowl is that was there a hundred and twenty drafts
and man, you never know how what your drift is
going to be like every year it seems to change.
When I was in this thing, one year, five quarterbacks
are go in the first round. Next year none you know,
so when you'd be fifteen will go in the first
two round. It was every year was that you just
you never knew because of your division, because you're not
playing with your normal people in this research, you're playing
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with fans. You don't know what they're going to do.
There's significant variants from draft to draft. You don't even
know people know the rules. And it's the Super Flex
League six points for a touchdown patch you need to
quebooks that sort of thing. So I remember last year
when I was in Pat Mahomes went in the second round.
I got him second. Thing was the fourth pick. I
think I had the same pick as you ninth, so
I got in the second round Pat Mahomes. This year,
it didn't even come close. Right, we had the top
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five pick here, so you never know. Here. There's more
than there's many different ways to win the scott Fish Bowl.
A lot of it is going to be luck staying
healthy when you compete against so many people. But uh,
I said, through the first four rounds draft, I have
no qualms whatsoever. I think you did well. Yeah, so
I was really happy with the first four running backs
really had flown off the board. One of the guys
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in the league went four running backs in his first
four picks. He had the first pick, so he's got McCaffrey, Jacobs,
Aaron Jones, and Chris Carson. So I didn't pick a
running back until it was the twenty four running back
off the board, and I went David Johnson. I'm not
enamored with George is actually more bullish on David Johnson
then I am. However, I do see a path for
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this Houston offense to be productive, because I don't I
think they'll be trailing in some more games. Um, I
think they'll have to try to move the ball a
little bit more. Maybe that doesn't favor David Johnson, but
he is a pass catcher. I think he'll be a
primary first down guy. So I went David Johnson here,
swung back around. This is a big debate for me.
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I debated hard between a J. Brown for as my
second wide receiver or mark Ingram, who I'm a longtime
fan of and I still think is being underrated. UM
I was right to debate it because they went back
to back. I just happened to take a J. Brown.
Mark Ingram went next. UM as far as the next picks,
then I started to have to get running backs. I
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just had to start stashing running backs, and I my
next three off the border, Tevin Coleman, Philip Lindsay, and
James White. I think for those guys to go in
the round seven, eight and nine. When I got them,
the number of touches, the amount of first downs catches,
and everything else they can get, I'm feeling pretty good.
My my weakness now is wide receiver, and I will
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be targeting wide receiver for the next several picks. So
the guy that I was really hoping for was Will Fuller. UM.
I didn't get him, but I'm gonna target Alan Lazard
from the Packers to stack him with Aaron Rodgers and uh,
I think Deante Johnson from the Steelers might be my
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next guy because Brandon Cooks went off the board and
that was the other one I was looking at. Yeah,
I think if I was in your situation, I'm still
doing what you did here. I'm not looking at your
dravitsy exactly who was available there. I would have taken
Agier Brand over Ingram as well, only because a lot
of cooks in the kitchen in Baltimore. Lamoite Jackson steals
so many touchdowns as well, I'll go I want to
go with the higher upside guys. Now, you've got your
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top guys, right, you got Deantre Hopkins. Great. Now I
want to go with some high upside wide receivers, guys
that could really lift my team. Is in scott Fish Bowl,
different kind of league. You need those guys to hit anyway, right,
you need to take You need to roll with dice
a little bit in these kinds of leagues to win this.
You're running back. You got a lot of death, a
lot of depth you're gonna need when these guys to
speak up. I like that, and I don't love David Johnson,
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but I do have more faith in them than you'd do.
I think it was only a fine fantasy year last
year until he got hurt banged up a little bit,
and then Kenyan Drake Wally Pitto. Yeah. The tricky part
of this where I am in the draft now in
the middle of the tenth round, is when do I
take that third QUB And I worry that if I
don't take it now, I won't get him. So that's
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that's a good third I know. So that's what I
have to debate. While i'd say it for this hour,
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