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May 11, 2024 14 mins

OUTWEIGH: Amy and Leanne are back for Part 4 of Binge-Free Brain where they explore the mind-blowing connection between emotional and physical pain. Did you know a key area of your brain, the ACC, houses a large number of receptors for both? This means emotional hurt can literally feel like physical pain, which can trigger us to seek comfort in food. We'll delve deeper into the concept of "sensory mismatch" and how it relates to fibromyalgia and other conditions. This episode will unveil the surprising reasons why emotional distress might manifest as cravings, helping you develop more effective coping mechanisms for lasting change.

 

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Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy

Leanne Ellington // StresslessEating.com // @leanneellington


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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't let my body out be outwait everything that
I'm made done, won't spend my life trying to change.
I'm learning love who I am, I get, I'm strong,
I feel free, I know every part of me. It's beautiful.
And then we'll always out way if you feel it,

(00:24):
but yours here, She'll some love to the why get there?
Take you one day an did you and die out way?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Happy Saturday? Outweigh amy here and I'm with Leanne Ellington.
This is part four of b f B b F B,
which is a bench free Brain. Yes, if you listen
every week, kind of get why I took that slow
for whatever reason, I keep flipping it, but I didn't today.
And you know, we talked a lot about the differences

(00:55):
last week in men and women, and it's because our
brains are very different and I'm main part of our
brain and why we behave in the way that we
behave if you have any type of binge eating disorder
is because of our ACC. Yeah, and Land's going to
teach us all about the ACC today, which I'm from
Austin and growing up there's a community college there, Austin

(01:15):
Community College ACC. So every time you say that I
think ACC and like little commercials I used to hear
and see growing up, pop into my head. So that
would be my hippocampus.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, the elephant that never forgets.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
That's the part of my brain that is taking me
back to past memories. But we're going to focus on
the ACC, not the community College, but part of the brain.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Today, exactly the anterior singulate cortex. But if you want
to just remember it simply easily, just remember the three
words acceptance, connection, and care, because that is the part
of our brain that determines whether we feel accepted by
others but also accepted by ourselves. So self acceptance connected
to others and connected to ourselves or the opposite, disconnected
and cared about, like do people care about me? Do

(01:58):
I have significance? Do I exist their brains? Do I
have meaning? And purpose? But interestingly enough, that is also
the part of the brain where we house a ton
of our physiological and emotional pain receptors. And this is
where I talk to women all the time, and they're like, leanne,
I actually never struggled with food until I had surgery

(02:18):
or I broke my leg, and then all this physiological
pain they created coping mechanisms using food. But interestingly enough,
I'll just use a random example. If I injure my elbow, Okay,
the injury itself lives in the elbow, but the pain,
the physiological pain I'm experiencing, lives in the brain, and
a big part of that lives in the ACC. So,

(02:39):
for example, a lot of people are walking around with
chronic pain, but they don't have injury anymore. So a
real life example, I had a major spine surgery back
in eight and many many moons after my surgery, I
still had a lot of chronic pain, but I wasn't
injured anymore.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
The injury had long since healed.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
And so yeah, you could go down the road of
muscular imbalances and all of that, which I did, but
for mine, and once I started studying the nervous system
and I started learning about the ACC, I came across
a study on fibermyalgia, which is a very common A
lot of people are diagnosed with fibermialga. And my disclaimer
for this is that this is not a one size
fits all about fibromialga. I'm just going to share one

(03:17):
study that was done on Fibermioaloga definitely there's different strokes
for different folks and different solutions for different things.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
But just this was very informing for me.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
So I came across a study on fibermialgia, where for
anybody who's not familiar with it, its nickname is like
an undiagnosed pain syndrome or a phantom pain syndrome. Because
what was happening is a lot of people and by
the way, fibarmyalgia, seventy five percent of fibromioalga suffers are female. Okay,
So what they discovered is that these women, they were

(03:48):
coming in with all of this chronic pain, but they
weren't injured. They had no injuries, they were getting MRIs
and X rays. Nothing was injured, but physiological pain. And
then a couple of things were happening. Sometimes they'd go
to the doctor and the doctor. Doctor would say, oh,
here's some anti inflammatory, here's some painkillers, let's try physical therapy,
all of these different modalities. But then there was a
percentage of women that would go to these and I

(04:09):
say women because again seventy five percent of five miyolga
suffers are female. But a lot of times these women
would go to the doctor and the doctor would be like,
you're crazy. There's nothing wrong with you. We've scanned you,
we've pricked you, whatever, and there's nothing like you're making
this up. So again, talking about a social brain thing.
You think you're crazy.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
When you've just had a doctor tell you exactly.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
So what this one study showed, and by the way,
this study, I believe it was conducted in like two
thousand and seven, two thousand and eight. It's a very
old study and I'm kind of surprised people don't talk
about it more. But what they discovered is they found
they took fibromyalgia suffers that when they were in pain,
they put them in an fMRI machine, they put them
under a brain scan, and what they determined was that
their anterior singulate cortex was like essentially on fire. That's

(04:51):
the part of the brain that was firing, just not naturally.
I guess you could say it was problematic, right, And
so they did some like where some of the population
they did nothing, some of the population they put in
physical therapy, some of the population they put into pain
management with medication kind of thing. And then the method

(05:12):
that they found to be the most valuable and helpful
was they took fibromiologia suffers and they put them in
online support groups with other fibromiolga suffers.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
They put them in social support groups, and.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
What they found was that fibromiolgia was a social disorder.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
It wasn't physiological.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
And this all makes sense because they're ACC their antier
stimulate cortex and what happens is and there's other studies
that back this up.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's called a sensory mismatch where.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
You're ACC because it houses a lot of the physiological
pain receptors, but it also houses a lot of the
emotional pain receptors. They were having emotional pain and it
was just being experienced physiologically.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
It was a sensory mismatch.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
And so what they did is when they took care
of their ACC, in other words, they became emotionally available
to their social needs and their emotional needs, the physiology
pain essentially went away.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
And so this study it keeps the score, yeah, exactly,
so part of it.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
That's a very complex book, but it just makes me
think of sometimes how things that go on with us inside, thoughts, feelings,
experiences that we've had they manifest in pain.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Absolutely, And then you think about like, well, what was
causing the ACC to be on fire?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Right?

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Well, it's a pattern and a recipe of thoughts and
beliefs and behaviors.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
It becomes this snowball effect.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
So that being said, this is what first opened my
eyes to, oh my gosh, what if my physiological pain
was emotional and social? And that's where all the self
imaging stuff came in.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I mean you with your back pain? Yeah, and it
was all over pain.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
The injury was in my spine, but the pain was everywhere,
and so that's where it was a sensory mismatch. And
again then there was like depression mixed in and anxiety
mixed in, and all of these emotional things that happen
that we think like, oh I have depression or oh
I have anxiety, and it becomes this kind of again
a snowball. But what we don't realize is that our
social brain are ACC is feeling even more and more isolated.

(07:02):
Because what does depression do? It isolates us. What does
anxiety do? Oftentimes it isolates us? Right, And so the
point being a lot of times this is where food
gets mixed in the play. Right, So if anybody's listening
and they've ever been either diagnosed or self diagnosed with depression, anxiety,
any type of mental emotional social disorder. But then also
on the flip side of it, any physiological chronic pain. Again,

(07:25):
this is where we're talking about how things get fired
and wired in the brain alongside food.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
And so if you've.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Experienced that pain, but you've practiced firing and wiring food
to fill those voids, your brain is going to build
a program that food fills that void. And until you
address that and actually give your brain what it really
needs in those moments, which oftentimes is that acceptance, connection
and care, the self imaging kind of work, or learning
how to be emotionally available to yourself, the patterns are

(07:52):
going to keep repeating themselves. So that's where a big
part of this binge free brain. A lot of my
clients they're free from it after they address the actual
social it's a social disorder oftentimes. And when I say social,
it doesn't have to necessarily be like they feel like
a social outcast, but there's this internal loneliness or lack
of purpose, or they feel like they don't have meaning
or significance or whatever, or it's just that comparison of like, oh,

(08:13):
my gosh, I feel worthless because I've gained weight, or
I feel like a loser because I can't. You know,
I have this out of control relationship with food that
is enough to create this like physiological and emotional kind
of mismatch in our brain. And if that gets practiced,
and first it starts off like a little drop, A
little drop, a little drop, and then all of a sudden,
it's a floodgate that opens. Because it happens over years,

(08:35):
sometimes decades, that's when it's like, no, you're not just
weak willed, You're not destined to stay this way forever.
Something got fired and wired in your brain. And then
it's gotten confused that sugar goes in the mix as well,
or food or whatever it is. And that's where it's
like again, understanding why we do what we do helps
us understand, No, I'm not crazy, I'm not weak willed.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
There's a pattern here.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
There's a recipe that got concocted and mixed together in
a metaphorical mixing bowl, and I can mix together recipe.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
And depending on how long it's been going on, and
you've you've given the analogy before of the cornfield of
you know, if you picture taking the same path down
the cornfield, the corn starts to lay down, and that
is the way your brain continues to go. And when
you're trying to go a new path, well, the first
however many times you're walking down them, it's not going
to lay down right away when you're taking the new path.

(09:23):
But eventually, the more you walk it, the more you
go down there, the more the corn starts to lay down,
and bam, you have a new path and the other
path you forged starts to rise up again and it's
no longer an option. Absolutely, And that's what I used
to never think, is like, well, this is just always
how it's going to be.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
That that was me adding to the problem.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, that's using one of those absolute words again, always
for sure.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, And that's where the disclaimer is, like, this is
not a one and done and that's why it's really
valuable to have somebody walk alongside you. And this what
we're talking about here on Otway, in these fifteen to
twenty minute episodes, is not a replacement for rewiring your
brain and actively going down the process of healing.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Right, but you have put together something to go along
with what we've been talking about.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
The past.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
This is week four and next week will be week five.
And I know that you put in extra work on
the side, especially in what you do working with your
clients one on one, but put together a really digestible
curriculum that'll take people to the next level. And maybe
if they want to listen to this and that's it,
that's great. But again, this is just a tool to
have in your back pocket to accompany other things you

(10:28):
might be doing with therapy or if you're working with
a nutritionist, a therapist, XYZ, a support group. You might
have your various things, but Lean has also gone above
and beyond and put together something and you can explain
what it is. And then there's a discount code for
people that listen to outweigh if they want to have
another tool for their toolbox.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Right absolutely, yeah, so and again just really really emphasizing this.
What I'm about to share is a replacement for it.
You know, this isn't going to heal magically decades of
food and body struggles, but if you.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Do want to at least stop the floodgates, so to speak, and.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Start the process of rewiring your brain, this is a
really powerful and potent place to start. So it's called
Binge free Brain and made it a no brainer by
creating a discount code for you here on outweigh and
we can link that in the show notes. But the
discount code is outweigh and if you want to head
on over to stresslesseding dot com slash binge, you can
find out all about it and use the code outweigh

(11:22):
and get a significant discount off of it.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Explain what it is that they'll be Yeah, absolutely, So.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
I took one of my most potent modules from my
flagship program, Stressless Heeding, and put it into a washprints
repeatable system and toolbox for you to literally learn how to.
We talked a little bit about a lot on this
series about the why behind the what. So this is
the actionable, well, how do I actually reprogram my brain?
So there's an entire masterclass that walks you through this

(11:49):
five step process but including how to implement it in
an actionable fashion. There's flashcards, there's cheat sheets, there's an
entire experiment. Because everything's in experiment that you need to
learn what works for your brain. So it's an entire
toolbox design to help you really take back power from
feeling out of control or feeling like food has this
magnetic pull over you, and learn how the skill set

(12:11):
of being emotionally available to yourself in those moments instead.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Now, I met Leanne when I was already in recovery,
so I can't speak to her programs that she's put together,
but I did do Catherine Hansen's program and Lisa Ham
had one as well, and those were in the early
stages of my recovery, and it was me investing into

(12:34):
not just a little bit financially, but time, and so
that helps you put skin in the game. And I
think that there are a lot of amazing free resources
out there, and that's great, but there is something said
to when you set aside the time, which time is
a currency, so you set aside the time to give
to this. And this isn't even that much, especially with

(12:57):
the code you're getting a huge discount, but even just
paying a little bit helps you have some skin in
the game so that you show up for yourself more
because you're like, oh, I've invested in this, Like it's
not just like this free thing that I get, So I'll.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Get to it when I get to it.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
And this is something that you put a lot of
thought and effort into for people. But then also by
having that, I mean that's a psychological thing too, when
you've got skin in the game.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Absolutely, when you pay, you pay attention and you know.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
But what we want to do is make it a
no brainer so that there's no barrier for you getting
access to this, but also letting it be kind of
the gateway to start your healing and almost like a
jump start so that you can shortcut this journey and
leverage the you know, the tools that that I've used
over the years and that I have been working for
for all of my stressless eating clients over the years
in a really kind of actionable way.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, thank you for putting that together and for offering
the code absolute listeners, We appreciate it, So stresslesseding dot
Com for that at Leanne Ellington is her social handle,
and What's God Got to Do with It is her
other podcast. And we'll be back next week for part
five yep, the final part in.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
This BFB series. Love by bye

Speaker 1 (14:08):
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