#167 - Trevor Rosen of Old Dominion + The Band Name They Almost Used + 10 No. 1 Songs

Trevor Rosen is the guitarist and keyboard player for Old Dominion. In addition to writing serval of Old Dominion No. 1’ such as “Hotel Key”, “No Such Thing As A Broken Heart” and “Snapback”...he has also written several number 1’s for other artist such as Blake Shelton, Dierks Bentley, The Band Perry and More. Trevor talks about the dynamic of the band with 5 members who are all songwriters, the controversy behind their name and their upcoming 3rd album.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, just killing me. I don't get them too bad.
I get tired, like I'm tired today, but I don't
start like having all the symptoms. I just when I
started to get extra tired, I realized it's probably allergies.
They we're gonna start. I guess I feel great. I
just because I wrote my bike for like the last hour.
One of those pelotons, one of those Uh no, I

(00:21):
just bought an order track treadmill, which is really cool,
the same thing with the screen and you work out
with people and go on run. So it does that
now because when you said an order a track, I
thought represent like you keep an old school, but now
they do. It's got the WiFi connection. Yeah, And I
wrote hard and my body felt great. But the allergies,
it's like my whole head is just like anyway, I

(00:42):
have to do that during that podcast Apologies by the way,
episode one sixty seven, we're starting it now Trevor of
Old Dominion. But what I didn't know Trevor is all
these songs pretty I guess enduring Old Dominion too. That
we're gonna get into that you wrote. I mean, who
knew you were so rich? Well, I don't know I
look at this house. I'm not rich enough. Come on.

(01:05):
Uh so, uh oh, here's something that I was like,
you're you're coming in. I don't know why, Mike do
you walked up here to produce the show and I
was singing zoot Suit Riot. You're familiar with that song,
Zoo Suit Riot. I was thinking about band names because
I was thinking about you guys name because mostly I
saw Old Dominion playing in the NC Double A tournament recently.
We just gotta be weird for people to go Old Dominion,

(01:27):
Old Dominion. That's just kind of a weird thing because
as you guys have gotten more popular now, it is
owned the name to some people, more so than the
university does. I think. So it's like we couldn't have
foreseen it. But it's like free advertising for sure. And
so with the name this the bang name of this
band is Cherry Pop and Daddy's. I just think about
that first, and I don't know if a band could

(01:52):
be named that right now, certainly not a country band.
I remember I was pop radio at the time, and
this is this whole sound was big. It was like
Terry Pop and Daddy's and Brian Sets or Orchestra Um
there are a couple more of these, like big bands,
Big Bad Daddy, which is my name on my email,

(02:12):
Big Bad Voodoo, Bobby Um and so. But I was
thinking Cherry Pop and Daddy's like when you break that
down and we don't need to write here, but that's
a that's a wild band name. It really is. They couldn't.
I don't think it could be a pop pop band
name right now, or it could cross into the mainstream. Yeah,
although I mean it does have that thing where like,
if you're young enough, you have no idea what they're

(02:32):
talking about. But there's no way, there's no way that's
the pervious band name. As I'm thinking about it, there's
ever been on the radio, Like I'm thinking about again.
It all candom because I was thinking of you guys
band name and not that old dominion and Jerry Pop
and Daddy is the same thing. By any any means,
that's might bee the pervious band name I've ever heard
that actually had a hit. It really is. I I
forgot the Butthole Surfers. Yeah, it's just like it starts

(02:55):
to become like that's just the band name. You forget
what the name actually is. It's do you remember butthole
surfers Pepper, we just have to call him the be hole, sir.
This is again. I was a teenager. I was on
the radio as a teenager. Mike, pull up, Pepper if
you don't mind, and uh, this song came out and
at first you could say but hoole, and then everybody
started to crack down. Really I'm but hole. Yeah, do

(03:16):
you remember this? Yeah? I thought it was such a
jam back. It was a mind some Sometimes that's good anyway.
Uh yeah, look at you guys. You know what's cool.
I think now, and I say this not even just
to your face. I think you guys are my top
three artists right now period and my favorite band thank You,

(03:38):
which I did not see coming frankly, just because you guys,
all of yours. Let's let me break it down for you.
Whenever you guys all get together, you're like, it's a
bunch of guys like me, like normal dudes. Right, But
then your records are all every song is so freaking good.
Thank you. And I'm not saying this is to your face.
I said out of your face. I also say it
to your face when you guys come in. But like

(03:58):
I listened to your whole records. I listen to nobody's records.
I don't give a crap about records. I'm in the
land of put out. Put a single out, give me
three songs, come back in a few months, give me
three more songs. But when you guys put out a record,
I will say you've put out the best records consistently
in the past few years. Thank you for saying that.
First of all, I mean, that's that's a huge compliment.
But you know, I think for us as songwriters, I

(04:21):
mean we have all five of us are writers. Three
of us have had publishing deals for a long time,
so I think that's always been our goal as we've
just write so many songs, and we're constantly trying to
you know, trim the fat and just you know, come
up with a collection of the best songs, our favorite songs.
So we always make that our going. It's funny in
these days, like people say, people aren't even gonna be

(04:44):
putting albums out pretty soon, it's just gonna be singles.
But I always think, like, well, that's part of the
fun for me because I always loved bands that I
could listen to the album all the way through, so
it's it's definitely a compliment to hear you say that,
because that, for me personally is a goal. I don't
a skippable song. There are about three, maybe four artists

(05:04):
who've put a record in the last couple of years,
not including some of my friends, and I'll tell them,
and he knows i'd lead as song seven. You know,
I'll try to be as honest because I believe if
you're honest all the time, then the compliments actually matter.
So if I tell my friends, you don't really feeling
that so much. When I do say, I'm feeling that
they know I'm telling the absolute truth and let's be
honest to you get sorounded by it. With a little

(05:25):
bit success, you gets rounded by yes people all the
time and as fun as that everbody let's get backscratch,
but it starts to be detrimental to what you're producing.
If everybody likes everything, I think it absolutely is that
being said. Dan and Shay's last record, Fantastic Front to
the Back, Um you guys records, Stapleton, The Traveler and

(05:51):
from a From a Room one two. There were a
couple I was like, yeah, but Casey's last record, and
I was on that, and I stopped talking about it
because I dont want to be that guy who's like, oh,
once it got cool, I backed off. You know, you
don't want to be there gay because I was screaming
about it when I first came out and then they
got cool, and I stopped screaming about it because I
was like, I don't want to be the tool that's
like everybody thinks I've just jumped on that. But my

(06:11):
point is before I moved to some songs here is
that you guys are just quality and quantity and it's
so rare, and that's why I was pumped it. You
can do well. Thanks for having me, and thank you
for saying that. Man, I really that is a great compliment.
I'm gonna slam some number one here real quick. From
Old Dominion, hotel Key wrote this one all these that
I play or are you pretty much wrote all the

(06:32):
singles with the band right so far? Yeah, hotel Key
jam which you know my co host and my best
friend Amy that that was her way earlier when that
song was just really she was like, oh know anything
about music, and she doesn't, but she's like, this is
one of the great songs I've ever heard so um
written in the sand, jam jam, thank you. No such

(06:54):
thing as a broken heart like this one. I'm dead
that Paul Chart. I have that one uh song for
another time. Snap bag. Here we go break up with Damn.
I just want to let everybody know what we're doing here.
Here's the here's the song that I love right now,
and I have a story about it. One Man Band.

(07:15):
First of all, this is my favorite song maybe that
you guys have ever put out. Thank you. It's one
of my favorites too, of all the songs that I love,
this this my probably my favorite song you guys have
ever put out. Also, because with music, you find a
song and you relate to it, you start to go, oh,
like somebody feels like I feel it. Isn't that what's
cooled by music? It really is? Yeah. I mean like

(07:37):
I always grew up melody first, I think when I
started and Nashville really taught me how to be a
true lyricist and connect with people. But that's like the
holy grail when when you have a song that you
would love anyway no matter what it says, but then
the lyric really kind of nails the sentiment that you know,
hits a lot of people because you know, I'm single
and I'm like finn to be that, but that one

(07:59):
hits me. And so have you heard that Matt Ramsey
story about me messaging about this song. Yes, I feel
like such a dude because I think he didn't get
my joke. Oh no, he was like, Bobby said, I
should give Brad a raise. I'm like, oh, give him
a raise, give me a raise too. That I thought
it was funny that, like Matt was the boss that
was paying us, but that's not the okay, look okay,

(08:19):
So he got it, like he was saying, he didn't
seem like he got it. And I felt like the
biggest tool. I said. I sent him a message because
I follow you a Matt on Instagram and and so
I I was listening to it because you don't you
make a playlist and you don't listen, you know, you
listen to fifteen songs currently, switch it out like you're
on a fly. You do whatever. And I'm listening to it,
and I hit him up and say, hey, who's singing

(08:40):
the harmonies on this song? And he says, Matt, Brad,
Brad Frank, somebody sound like Amy? Right? Yeah, I know
that's a whole lot of things. So I go, I said, man,
he's singing the crap out of those harmonies. Give him
a raise. Just an expression, literally, just an expression like, hey,
the the guy saying the harmage barely gets any credit.

(09:01):
Like tell him. I said, that really good and he goes,
He goes, well, we don't. We're all paid the same,
and he said it's so dryly and I was like,
I don't think you think I was kidding. So I
replied back and I said, okay, I'll tell you what.
All five of you get a raised, and he goes,
that's really not how it works, man. You know we're
built and broke it down. Yeah, like he thinks I'm
the biggest tool. He thinks I think you guys need money,

(09:23):
and so funny. It was just because on our end
we knew you were kidding and we all laughed about it.
But it's funny on your end you think that we
thought you were like the biggest dude. Because I thought
Matt thinks I'm saying everybody in the band needs a raise.
That's funny. Anyway, That's my favorite song and I like
and one of the songs I used to play on
my show that was not a single with stars in
the city with a little big town. Oh yeah, jam,

(09:44):
thank you, I do that. That's what we sound like
live sometimes. So you were in the studio today. You
guys still work? Yeah? Yeah, what's happened with you guys?
We're very close. I mean we almost got record three
done today. I think we got everything done. There was
one song we were still wrestling with for about five hours,

(10:05):
but very close with five guys, and I'm assuming it's
a is that it's a five way partnership? Ish it is? Yeah,
it is. That's a lot. Is that a vote? Does
it ever go to the democracy? You know, it's a discussion,
you know, and everybody kind of has their area of expertise.
You know, we've known each other for so long. I
mean you kind of know who you know. If somebody

(10:27):
has a strong opinion and that seems to be their area,
you know, will kind of defer. But everybody out has
an opinion and usually will agree. Our musical minds are
pretty on the same page. But when we disagree, we
just kind of talk it out, you know, and then
you'll settle on an answer. Very rarely, is it like
where two guys are really head to head and and

(10:48):
and just won't let it go. And then at that
point we will kind of go, well, what's what's the
consensus here? What does everybody? What does everybody think? And so,
I mean it's like being married to for different people.
I mean you do have to sometimes fight for what
you want, but then also realize you're one of five.
You five have known each other, like who knew each

(11:08):
other the longest? Um, Yeah, it's kind of coma here.
It's it's interesting because we get asked that a lot,
and we usually have like thirty seconds to give a
tidy answer, but it's a it's a little longer. I
think Witt and Matthew went with the drummer and Matthews
the least singer. They went to the middle school together.
They were in the same they grew up in the

(11:29):
same area, and um, so they knew each other I
think technically the longest. But then in college they all
went to college somewhere in Virginia, including Brady was from Connecticut.
He went to school in Virginia as well, so they
all kind of knew each other in college. Actually, Wit
and Jeff the bass player played in a band together
in college and they would play shows with Brad's band

(11:49):
sometimes and Matt was kind of playing in the same circuit,
so they had a history before any of us moved
to Nashville. But then about sixteen years ago, I moved
in Ashville and Matt had just moved there recently, and um,
he's one of the first people I met. We met
on stage at a writer's around and so we kind
of started writing a long time ago. I think in

(12:13):
Nashville terms, as far as being co writers and collaborating,
I think we've probably done the Nashville songwriting thing the longest.
But what was the idea for you when you moved
to town? You know what, I wanted to move to
be an artist, like I think a lot of people
do when they move here. A lot of songwriters end
up just being songwriters, which is fine. But I moved here.
I wanted to get a record deal and everything, and

(12:34):
so I was sort of going after it that way,
but then got a publishing deal, and you know, you
sort of hit a wall a little bit. Sometimes when
you're going for the artist thing, you realize just how
much competition there is, and and uh, you know, and
then I loved songwriting. I love the artist songwriting and
started pitching songs and realizing that that was a possibility too.

(12:54):
So at some point I really didn't think any of
this old dominion or artist thing was gonna happen. I
sort of said it side and went, you know, I
want to be a songwriter, and that's that's a great
life to have. So when you come and you want
to be an artist, was it assulted to be a
solo artist we're trying to form a band. Yeah, I
want to be a solo artist. So yeah, I was
writing songs and just you know, trying to get a

(13:16):
publishing deal, but really with the goal of trying to
get signed. And how long did you kind of run
that down? Um, I'd say it's hard to really pin
it down because I was still playing shows around town
with that idea. I'd say about five years and I
moved here in fall two thousand three. I'd say within
about four or five years, I was pretty much gone, Yeah,

(13:40):
I'm not really going for that anymore. Did it go
from I'm not going for that anymore right into oh,
we should do this band or was there like a
brief period where you're just like, I'm gonna be a
song writer because I'm freaking good at it. It was
a good stretch where I was just going to be
a songwriter. I mean even you know, Matt and I
had been writing songs and you know, sort of going
after it, and Matt was trying to do his artist

(14:00):
thing too, but we had been writing songs for a
long time, and I'd say there's probably a good I
don't know, it's hard to do the math exactly, but
I'd say a good four year stretch where we were
just trying to get cuts. You know, we were both
still playing writer's nights and playing out and sometimes I
jump up with his band. You know, it's kind of
that deal. But we were really just kind of resigned

(14:21):
to being songwriters and trying to get cuts. So yeah,
there was a good stretch where I never really foresaw
having a record deal doing what we're doing right now.
What's that first conversation where it's like, hey, should we
try something because you're writing songs some getting all right
at it. Yeah, you know, you have a little success,

(14:41):
but then it kill back the artist route, like it's
like starting over because it's a grind. It really was.
It's so weird because with us it was a little different.
It was pretty non conventional because we started jamming together.
You know, Matt was already playing with Wit and Jeff
who had moved to town by that point, and Brad

(15:01):
was the last enter. But you know, they were playing
shows as you know, Matt Ramsey basically, and he was
just doing it to showcase songs. And I would jump
up every once in a while and then started showing
up frequently, and so I was like, I'll just be
in the band. And we were just doing it for
some extra cash, just to showcase songs. But it was
really fun. We were all really close and we enjoyed it.
But I think the switch flip was when like we

(15:25):
got a couple of cuts and then we had a hit,
you know, uh, Craig More again, we had a Top fifteen,
which one it's called wake Up Loving You wake Up Yeah, yeah,
I mean that was an old Dominion staple. Like we
would close our shows with that, and then that that
got on the radio and then say you do for
Dirk s Bentley he cut that and it was like yeah,

(15:47):
and we started to go like, okay, well we have hits.
We know we're writing hits. These are hits and we
you know, we had a sound and we started to
go our bands pretty good. I still didn't think this
was gonna happen. I still thought it was a dream.
But um, but then just people started talking, you know, like, well,
these guys have hits, their band is really good. People
started to come watch us, and uh. I remember I

(16:11):
remember talking to Matt one day and just we had
we weren't really seriously considering it, but I remember one
conversation where we started talking about wake Up Loving You,
and this is before it really was a hit for
Craig Morgan, but we were like, would that be cool
if we played it live. We used to have this
little alarm clock that that started the song. Maybe kind
of cheesy, but we thought it was cool at the time,

(16:33):
and we started going, wouldn't that be cool if we
were playing like an arena and it was counting down
to the show beginning and it was like this alarm clock.
But when it hit like zero seconds to the show,
like the alarm clock started to go off, and I
started envisioning us playing it live to a crowd, and
I think for me that was the first time I went, yeah,
the artist thing would be pretty cool to be out
there and actually be delivering it to the fans. It

(16:53):
was like the first time the spark happened again where
I started to even consider it, because at that point
I had resigned myself to living in Nashville and just
writing songs. It's funny you talking about how you know
you guys had written some hits and you were because
that's how you were first told to me, Like, as
a bunch of songwriters. It really goot songwriters that have

(17:14):
like formed a band like that was the word that
gets to me. Three layers removed, right, It's like, hey,
did you used to hear these guys? And that first
song you guys put out was like a what was it?
What was the very first song guys put out? Um?
I mean the first one that really hit was a
break up with them? But what was Yeah, there was
there was one before that. What was the one before that?

(17:35):
Do you remember the one they put out a little bit?
There was a couple on x M all right, so
that we test fired a couple of the first one
because we couldn't get arrested, we couldn't get a record deal,
and you know, they agreed to play something that we
put out one called Dirt on the Road. I don't
know that one. Yeah, And then we put out one
called shut Me Up, which is a very rock and
kind of song, and um, that was actually we were

(17:56):
trying to put that out to radio. We had a
you know, a little independent we were trying to do
it in dependently and we were going to radio was
shut me Up. But then some stations started playing break
up with Them. I guess would be the first one
to that that we played too. Yeah. Yeah, when stations
started just jumping on breaking break up with Them before
we even we're trying to promote it, we went, okay

(18:16):
that we have a thing here, we need to switch gears.
Was there any sort of a couple of labels going hey,
we'd like to have you. Well, no, I'd like to
have you. Was it ever known more for old dominions? No,
there was. I mean we actually it got to a
point where, I mean, you know how hard it is
to make it in this town and hard to get
a record deal. So it's not like I the whole

(18:38):
time was going why won't anybody sign us? But you know,
we we went into this pretty mature and we had
been around a while, so we understood how hard it was,
but there there did hit this certain point where I'm going,
our band is really good, you know, and we've written
hits for other people. We obviously know how to write hits,
and we had some stuff already recorded that we felt
sounded really good, and and uh, you know, then radio

(19:01):
started playing some stuff and it really everything was taking
off and it seemed like, you know, and then we
signed with management. We got the Kenny Chesney tour before
we even had a record deal, and so we're going, Man,
we have this major tour, we have songs on the radio,
We've written hits for other people, Like, why won't anybody
sign us? Like I could not understand, and I started

(19:22):
to just feel like it's never gonna happen. Why do
you think that people wouldn't sign you. I think we
were were a little bit older, you know. I mean,
we were all in our thirties, and you know, I
don't think we were old, but I think they were
just maybe had a perception that we were just songwriters.
And I think that's a fair perception. Yeah, I mean,

(19:43):
but that's how you were pitched around too. And I
can understand that, you know, we were we were a
little bit older, and we had that perception of just
being songwriters. And you know, I mean honestly, like we're
you know, the songs are on the radio now and
and we're sort of used to it, but back then
it did sound a little different thing. And you know,
I don't know that it was down the middle country.

(20:05):
So you know, I think there's always a lot of
reasons why it's hard to get signed, you know, and
it just takes wedging that door open with one song
and break up. The break up with them did that
for us. You know, if there was no break up
with them, we might not have gotten another swing at it.
You know what's cool is your sixty three now and
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songs you wrote for other people? I have a list
of them here. You mentioned say you do which dark
stick number one? And you wrote this one drive the
Matt Yeah, Matt nine, Shane McNally. This, let's go back

(22:41):
a little bit better Dick to Bampierre. Yeah, that was
my first number one. Actually, boy, this song was an
anthem for a while. It was, I mean, just how
it starts all of this, the production of the song,
that this is a big one. It was that one.
That was another one where I hadn't had any hits yet.
I had the Craigmoker one on the radio, and I
remember we wrote this one. That was me and Brandy

(23:05):
Clark and Shane mcinnely wrote a Better Dig two and
Shane produced the demo. I mean this is before any
of us. I mean Shane, I think at that point
had on number one and he was starting to get
a lot of attention. But um, Shane would produce a
lot of the demos. And actually Casey Musgrave was saying
that demo for us. That was before she had a
record deal or anything. And I remember when he sent

(23:26):
me the demo, I'm like, oh my god, like we're
going to have a hit for sure. And then we
still pitched that around all around town and couldn't get
it cut. Was it as intense the demo as intense
as the track ended up being produced. Mike played a
little bit from the beginning. I better if you can
pull that up, because it's it hits. Oh yeah, yeah.
When he sent me the demo, it was very I mean,

(23:46):
obviously they you know, their production is bigger. It's a
it's a major label production. But yeah, the demo is crazy.
I remember Shane sent it to me. I was out
of town and he sent me the demo and his
comment to me was he said, I said, how's this.
How's it the track sound? He said, this track is
gonna fuck you up. I don't know if I can
say that. You can't. Okay, that's like international waters and

(24:09):
do whatever you want. And I had did. I played it.
It sounded so different. It's funny now looking at it
through the lens of today because it sounded so crazy
different than anything else when he he um sent me
the demo, and uh yeah, it was and I remember
thinking like, oh, this is gonna be the biggest Miranda head.
We're pitching to Miranda and Carrie Underwood. And then and
then when the band Perry wanted to cut it, you know,

(24:31):
we were like, oh, they're kind of a newer band,
And it actually ended up being the best thing that
could happen because when you have that song that helps
really break a new artist, then it becomes like a
big staple for them. So I mean like, and it's
already dropped picked out of that here. I mean it's strong.
I mean I think about how just intense the song
with the banjo or whatever that is the beginning. Yeah,
they did such a great job on it in case

(24:53):
He's yeah, that's funny. Do you still have that somewhere,
like in a phone somewhere. Oh yeah, yeah, that's a
cool thing for like ten years from now. I know.
I played because my kids are big Casey Musgues fans too,
and my daughter, she's seven, she asked me to play
every song I ever write. She's like, play me whatever
songs you have, and and she loves Casey. And I
was like, you know what I have, and I played

(25:14):
it for her. She was her mind was blown. Five kids,
four four kids, Amy my co host. If you don't
listen to the radio show, my co host Amy, my
best friend. Um, she wasn't. We were on the air
one day and we're playing this game and I was like, okay,
I'll read you all the people in the band. You
tell me who the band is. And I was reading
all you guys I've done like Freddie Mercury, you know,

(25:36):
it was like third eye blind everyone. And I read
all of you guys names, and she goes, no idea,
and I was like, Amy, they've been in the studio
like eight times and friendly. She's like, I have no idea,
and so I said, no, that's all. That's all Dominion,
and she was like, oh, I don't know. I just
gotta see them. I don't know their names. The name
is the kindest person ever, a little a little fluffy sometimes,

(25:58):
but I had a little bit but like great and
so um she said. She texts me. She goes, um,
I'm on the flight whatever from the old Dominion and
he just put he he just texts me We're going
to Disney, like maybe at the same time. And he
just texts me and then resigned his name again so
I would know it was him. And so I thought
that was pretty funny. Yeah, she felt pretty bad about that.

(26:21):
Oh it was funny. I never remember people's names either,
so I certainly didn't take offense, but I did. I
didn't pass up the opportunity to rub it in on Twitter.
So and then she goes, hey, we hung out with river.
And this is what she said about you. She said
your kids were the most well behaved kids. And she's
and you have four kids. I have four kids. She's like,
they're the most well behaved kids. Have no said, I
have no idea how he gets in behavior like that. Well,
they must have been having an on day. How How

(26:43):
old your oldest um? Fourteen? She'll be fifteen this summer.
Fourteen year old kids? Yeah, and my son just durned
thirteen while we were out there, Holy crap. And how
old your youngest five? You got any more coming? You're done? Officially?
Are you sure? I'm let's hope it took time? How rare?
How recent is that is? That it was two years ago?

(27:06):
Is that painful or now it wasn't too bad? Did
you do like the local anesthetic or do you just
go give it to me, Rob, I'm just gonna sit
here and take it. Just give it to me. Give
me a bullet, I'll bite it. Bullets and whiskey. Yeah,
I mean I'm sure that. Yeah, I think there was
a local shot there that that helped. But no, as
long as you have definitely have to do what they say.
They say, like, don't get up, don't try to do anything,
you're gonna feel and feel like, oh, I could go

(27:28):
for a run. But they're like, don't be fooled. How
long you have to take off whenever you get this
a couple of days, just ice sit there in a
chair with some ice. ID. Okay, So I don't have
any kids, right, and I had I've had a dog
and for fifteen years I had this dog. Loved him
so much, right, and he was my best friend and
my dog my best friend. And he still had nuts

(27:49):
at about age eleven. And they said, you don't have
to cut your nuts off, right, your stepping nuts that right? Yeah?
Yeah they're still And they were like, you got I've
got you gotta cut your dog's nuts off. He's been
sick twice. It was the hardest thing I ever had
to It wasn't even mind nuts and had to snip them.
Is tough and it's not really the same, but it
did a heart. It's the same. Yeah, I don't know.
That seems like something you got to do earlier, because

(28:10):
at eleven it wasn't fair to him. He's like, I've
had these things for eleven years where they go, but
dogs quickly forget though He's fine, I met a girl.
William Michael Morgan, this is the number one YE wrote
with Sam Hunt and Shane mcinally right. Yeah, she made
me wait, she crawled the street when you guys wrote
this because I heard Sam cut it? Did you guys
cut it with Sam in mind? And then he ended

(28:32):
up not putting it on the record. No, I mean
this was before Sam had a record deal. So um.
I mean in much the same way a lot of
our songs ended up. We don't necessarily right with ourselves
in mind, and I think with Sam at that time,
we didn't know what Sam was going to sound like,
you know, and we weren't necessarily going, oh, does this

(28:54):
sound like you? I mean when you're in the beginning stages.
He hadn't even signed a deal, he hadn't even cut anything,
and you don't really have a direction. You're just trying
to write a cool song. So it definitely sounded different.
I think when you guys heard William Michael Morgan do it,
we're like holy crowd that went traditional country quick. Yeah. Yeah.
I remember Scott Hendrix, who produced it. He was so
excited and he's like, I want you guys to come

(29:15):
here this it's it's not gonna sound like your demo
at all, but we love it and we want you
to come here. And yeah, I was blown away. I
couldn't believe how different it was, but how great it sounded.
It was cool because I think that's the coolest thing
when you can write a song that you could produce
it any different way and it's still a great song
and it's core. So it was pretty cool to hear

(29:35):
it that traditional and still love it. Sant Gria from
Blake Shelton. This is Josh Osborne and Shane you know
that Josh and j T. Harding was all right, yeah,
j T, and here that Josh in here? You know,
j T, I don't think. I don't think. I know
you should have him in here. He's a riot. Yes,
yeah I don't. J We haven't had him in yet.

(29:56):
So you wrote this this actually, which was you know,
it's weird when a song flies up a chart, right,
because it's fun to have a song that ghosts the
number one. I bet right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
pretty fun. It's right. It's a cool thing. And you
like to get a Blake or Luke Cutter and Aldane
cut All, but they fly up the chart they do,

(30:17):
and it's like here they come and there they go,
Like you like to get them, You're happy you got them,
But it is there a part of you that goes,
that's such a good song, just a part of you,
because most of you is not. You just want the
song to be saying by Blake, that's awesome. He goes, Man,
it's gonna be a number one, it's gonna be all
the chart before you can really like pay your bills. Yeah,
I don't think that because I've had them die, you know.

(30:40):
I've definitely had songs that I thought were sure things
and and then they die. So for me, I just
go just keep going, go as fast as you want,
be a big hit, you know. And with that too,
I think that was a three week number one, and
you know it still gets played a lot. So if
if that's the case and it's going that quickly, then
then you hope it's just a big one that you
know continues we get play because guys like BLAKEE. Shelton,

(31:01):
you know they're gonna have they have what thirty forty
singles that you know are going to be played for years.
So you hope that maybe you have one of those
ones that gets played for years. The first parody that
when we were just doing parodies my band The Raging Idiots.
Instead of Sangario, we did Tortilla. Do you remember that? Well,
good for us, we have pierced the consciousness of the

(31:22):
of the writers. Then we still play that sometimes I'll
play in during comedy shows. Nice, I'll grab my guitar
because that's the because at this point now I'll do
stand up and I'll we still play some band shows
and I think we were playing full band shows on
some festivals of you guys, but we're playing you guys
will play right after us, and uh, we see you going.
We could be coming off and you guys will be
going on. But like what up to see? We suck sorry,

(31:43):
have a good show. Um, but now I will play
that sometimes, like my do stand up because people like
play Sangaria or buy me a goat. We don't really
do any We don't do a lot of parodies now,
but um we were too good for rom Now we're
now that bang you're talking about. But yeah, that was
the first one I ever did. It was I said
Eddie and noticed said, hey, this sand Gray song is
really good. Do you think you could write tortilla and

(32:05):
he's like, I said, you're Mexican. I really can't. I
can't write all of it as as a white guy.
So that was the first parody. Yeah, it was the
first one. Yeah, it was. It's kind of what launched
the whole thing. Here. Uh, let me let me write.
Let's see here right now on the chart, you have
one that got away from Michael rates in top five.
Put you write this one. Matt wrote this with Matt

(32:27):
and Jesse Fraser and Josh Osbourne. So you're writing these
songs and you go, it's good, but it's not good
enough for us to keep is that? What is that?
What it's like? No, not really, No, it's because this
one it was funny. Our manager Will he was like,
you're not going to cut this song. He wanted us to,
and we like this one. You have some we have
some good sense now of what is a hit or

(32:50):
is not a hit. So it wasn't whether we thought
it was a good song or whether it's a hit.
But it's this weird science of trying to figure out
what to record and not record, you know, And it's
like it can come down to so many different things.
Do we already have a song in this vein or
or whatever. But sometimes we just try to play it
and it either does or doesn't sound like us. And

(33:10):
I don't know, there's no definition for that. There's just
there's just a gut feeling. So a lot of songs
we try out, and we did. We we definitely considered
this one pretty strongly, but you know, we didn't do
it. It It wasn't because we didn't like it. We immediately
started to pitch it because we did feel like it
was a hit. Is I look at this list year one, two, three,

(33:30):
four or five six? I see I don't know if
this is an accurate number, but I see ten number
one total? Is that about right? I think? So? So
when you write these songs that go number I just
wonder what it's like in this this part, this dynamic
with the band, and it's like if everybody's writing songs,

(33:51):
and obviously you want your song to get put on
the record, because again I keep the lights on the house,
you got nineteen kids feed, you know what I mean?
Like it does that dynamic ever get a little bit dicey?
Does it ever go to a vote where it's like
he's got this song that feels the same as this song. Yeah,
I don't think it really has come down to that yet,

(34:13):
because ultimately, whatever the best song is is best for
the band. Now, if do you feel like your song, like,
if it's close, don't you feel like your song is
the best, because I would. That's the hard part. Now,
I don't see I might be the opposite. I might
be inclined to to not vote for my song, you know. Um,
But you know, y'all get a sense. I mean, it's

(34:35):
it's a five opinion kind of thing democracy. So I
do feel like sometimes if say, if there's two songs
that it's it's such a tie and they're so close,
and maybe you know, a few of us wrote the one,
where maybe only one of us wrote the other one,
maybe it could come down to that tiebreaker where we go, look,
this is an absolute tie. The tie goes to the

(34:58):
fact that more of us wrote the this one. I
think it hasn't come down to that yet, but I
could see it coming down to that. But at some
point you just gotta set it aside and go. You know,
if this is what everybody feels like it is the
best move for us, then that's just got to be
the best move. So is there anyone in the band
that doesn't write as much like they got? Like, you
know what, you guys are the real songwriters. I'm just
gonna play my answer and be on stage drop star. Yeah.

(35:21):
I mean, well, Matt and Brad and I do most
of the writing, you know. I mean we've been writing
in Nashville for years with publishing deals and really doing
the Nashville songwriting thing, you know. So you know Jeff
and Witt also, right, you know they played in bands
for years and played original stuff, and you know what
they do is definitely a big part of the writing
and a part of the sound. But yeah, I mean

(35:42):
in the conventional Nashville songwriting way, Yeah, it's it's mostly
Matthew and Brad and I. I would think as someone
who tried again, I just love the dynamics of a
group because I'm gonna group myself, right, my morning shows
a group. I have eight personalities. I mean, I'm the boss,
but still like Amy matters sometimes more than mine does,

(36:02):
because she if she's not good, I'm not good. You know,
lunchbox I have, and then I have a band, and
then I have you know, all these different like groups
where the group dynamic really does affect things. What if
like why why are why are you not the lead singer?
Like when was that a conversation? I'm not as good
as not come down to well, No, I mean yeah,

(36:22):
first of all, I mean Brad is a great singer.
But I think Matt is one of the best singers
I know. I just think he's got a lot of
character to his voice, and he's just got a great voice.
And no, that was never in question. I think I
was a fan of Matt before I ever thought about
being in the band. You know, even when we wrote together.
If he was playing playing out somewhere, I'd I'd go
watch him. Don't want pill one off? They'll be like

(36:43):
I got this some boys, I don't really I know
Brad does. I mean Brad sang one on the last record.
I think there's a part of Brad that would love
to put out his own record or maybe sing more,
which I would be all in favor of. I think
Brad is a great singer. The Eagles they all sing right, yeah,
most of them. The Google Dolls, I hate it on
their basis saying no, I don't know if you ever

(37:04):
listened to Google Dolls he did like two tracks. It
would be like Johnny sing the songs and like two tracks,
he'd throw a bone at the basis and I'd be like,
here I am. It was just weird. I didn't know that.
Actually I knew like in the recent like Weezer records,
you know, they don't have that too. Hey that because
I'm a huge Weezer fan. Because once you've already established like, hey,
this guy is the sound of the band, I think

(37:24):
it's harder. That was the thing with brad last album.
Like I was glad he got one in and I
thought like, man, it would be cool if we had
two or three, you know, um to establish it early,
because once you don't establish it early, then it's not
going to sound like your band. But I do love
how the Eagles, you know, they had Glenn Fry and
Don Henley and even you know, some of the other
guys saying one kid, yeah, yeah, and then you know,

(37:46):
like obviously the Beatles. I do love that when there's
a versatility, but it's a little bit harder to do.
And today's musical climate, I guess, I mean, people have
short attention span. They're not going to realize it's old dominion.
If it's not Matt singing so and and I agree
with what you're saying. But also if someone gets sick,
someone can can cover pretty easily and do the songs.

(38:06):
Or if someone gets kicked out of the band. I'm
just saying, like if Matt Fire is one of us,
like yeah, stop it. Like the Bear Naked Ladies, right,
they kicked out the singer Stephen, He's not even in
the band anymore. They got together for the Canadie I'm
a big Bear Naked Lady fan. Um, they got together
for the Canadian Hall of Fame, but they kicked him
out years ago, and so ed the guy who does

(38:28):
the rapping, who can also sing, is now the full singer.
But because he had sang so much early, it's not
that weird because now you just go and like the
drummer sings a little bit. Oh he's got it's band. Yeah,
if he can do that, then it's I man. I
used to drive to the ice to work in a marina.
You have many jobs before, yes, what you do? Oh? Man? Well,

(38:51):
the one that I had most recently I worked at
best Buy here in Cool Springs for like eight years,
Home Theater for eight years I think it was seven
or eight years down here. Yeah, even through like two
publishing deals, I still had my job there doing just
sold TVs surround sound systems. Yeah, crazy, I used to
work out. The reason I talked about the marina is
I used to drive to the marina every day when

(39:12):
I was filling up boats and fixing boats and driving
around pontoons. And that song it's been that. I mean,
that song reminds me. Yeah, I'm driving to the to
the to the marina. By the way, let mention that
you have Kelsey song I hate love songs. Yes, yeah,
this is this one too. Could you write this way?
I wrote it with Kelsey and Shane McNally. Yeah. You

(39:33):
and Shane right a lot together. We do well, he
used to and we both kind of don't see each
other as much. But yeah, I mean the funny thing
people you know, you think of like Shane mcinnaley or Josh.
I was one of these guys like, oh, these big
hit songwriters. But when we started out, you know, the band,
and we have the band arc, you know, as part
of our story, but really the songwriting arc, you know,

(39:54):
Matthew and I and Shane and Josh and matt Jenkins
and Brandy Clark. We didn't have anything going on back then,
so I mean we used to write with each other
all the time and and just had this kind of
sound with each other. So I mean we've written hundreds
of songs probably together. Yeah, it's funny to see whenever
they make you guys and Brothers Osborne up. Yeah. First

(40:16):
of all, you don't even look the same. There's really
nothing close in Brothers Osborne. I guess there are two words.
I don't know. What do you that. I've tried to
figure it out too, I have to what do you
think it is? I don't know because there are two
guys in that band. I guess I would understand if
it were like an f GL thing where it's another
duo or a Dan and Shane. They're mixing up the duo.

(40:39):
I mean they're taller, they sound different. There's only not there.
I love it though. Now it's funny because you guys
have both kind of made a name for yourself in
different ways. You're you know, both successes. It's it is
really funny and now it's a thing because it's happened
how many times. But I don't know why they keep
mixing you guys up. I really don't know, like now,

(40:59):
like sometimes i'm do those people really mix us up?
Or are they just sent on the joke now? But yeah,
that's funny. Does the old you guys ever go? Do
have you played at school school Ald Dominion? Ah? Yeah,
we played there. I think last summer. Was that a thing? No? Um,
do they care? I don't I can't remember. I don't
feel like they hyped it up too much as Old Dominion.
At Old Dominion, I think there was a little bit

(41:20):
of element of that, but I don't know. Was it
weird to have the name? Was there any legal thing
like you can't call yourself Ald Dominion? Yeah? Actually we
almost weren't called Old Dominion. Um well, so early on,
you know, it's so hard to pick a band name.
You know, it's like the worst thing it can possibly
have to do because yeah, you're always self conscious. You know,

(41:41):
everybody's gonna rip on you and shoot down anything everything, definitely. Um,
So you know we had to sit there and go, Okay,
well we're not gonna be named Matt Ramsey or whatever.
Let's figure out a band name or a band And
so we had tried so hard and we finally settled
on Old Dominion. Matt said that one days, like the
only thing I could think of that's related to Virginia

(42:02):
that hasn't been taken as Old Dominion, And we were like, well,
what's wrong with that? So we were Old Dominion for
like maybe two years and started to get some steam.
You know, we had some things going. We had already
put out a couple of songs on iTunes, and then
we were talking to our attorney and he's like, man,
I'm just really concerned about the legalities of this. You know,
you got the peanut company, and you got the trucking company,

(42:25):
and you got the university and and the beer and
so man. We we actually got to the point where
we were sitting at a bar in Nashville trying to
come up with a new name and pretty much having
a band fight. And then I finally, I don't know,
I can be stubborn sometimes, but I was like, you
know what, this is stupid. I'm like, we can be

(42:46):
called the Dominion. And they were like, well no, he
the attorney says we could get sued, and I said,
that doesn't make any sense to me. I'm like, there
is there is a university there is a peanut company.
They're they're not suing each other. There are already more
multiple old dominions, and so I'm like, I'm not doing this.
I'm gonna call the attorney. And our attorney was like, man,

(43:06):
I don't know. He said, really, you're probably right, except
the university is the one I'm afraid of um because
they have a marching band, they have merchandise that they sell.
So I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna get a
home with somebody. So I sat out there all day
and track down somebody at the university and just asked
people until I got to the right person, and I said, hey,

(43:28):
we're this band. We've been operating under this name. We
already have songs out, you know, is this an issue?
And they said no, as long as you don't use
our logo, we're not worried about it, you're good. And
so I took it back to the guys and I'm like,
does this satisfy everybody? And they're like, okay, I guess
we're still old dominion. You got it in writing, Yeah,
I think that's the play getting in writing. Yeah. So

(43:50):
it was all out of like futility of being able
to come up with a new name. Any of the
names you guys talked about, I mean, I do know
they were all awful, um but man, and I can't remember.
I do remember playing the Wild Horse one time when
we were in limbo and we were like, let's just
be let's just tell her where Friday Eagle. The girl
would announce us when we would play the Wild Horse
as and she, you know, she'd go, what do you

(44:11):
guys called? Sometimes we'd just be Matt Ramsey or whatever.
And one time she was like, how do you want
me to announce you? And Matt was like, Friday Eagle.
She's like, ladies and gentlemen, Friday Eagle. It's pretty funny.
I thought the video of you guys playing was it
the Wild Horse and there's like one couple dancing. Oh yeah,

(44:31):
that was I couldn't believe Matt still had that on
his computer. It was just and I mean that in
the most sincere way. It was here you here, you guys,
are you got all these hits the band? You got
all these hits his Riders and you're playing to no
one right, And there's an old couple that are it
looks like they're two stepping to that summer and do
you want from memory that summer? That summer and it
was a hey, look even we like struggled our brains

(44:55):
out and nobody would come to our shows and look
at us now. And it wasn't look at us now,
like look at us now, but I was like, freaking
look at us now, like we can do this, you
guys can do this. Yeah, I was inspired by the video.
I thought that was pretty cool. Posts it was really cool.
I mean that, like you said, that was that was
before any of the hits or anything. Fried Eagle Days.
It was Fried Eagle Days. Web might have been the
night we've announced ourselves as Frida Eagle. I was watching

(45:17):
Speaking of band names, I was watching that Motley Crewe.
It's a biopic on Netflix. Have you seen the previous
for it. I've heard about it, but I haven't seen it.
It's kind of a disaster, but you almost have to
watch it. Like I'm such a music nerd, Like give
me any sort of biography or a biopic, like I'll
watch I just consume music. And so I'm like, let
me watch this thing. And there's a whole scene where
they're they're going to with their name Motley Crew, and

(45:40):
I guess one of their names before it was Motley
Crewe was X M A S S like X mass
like X mess with the pentagram. Oh my god, it was,
but that was really one of their names. And I
was thinking when I was watching that, I was like,
nine point nine pers in the band. Names are so stupid.
We just accept them because they get a hit. And
there said so much over the over time. I remember

(46:01):
Florida Georgia line when they I'm like, that's the dumbest
name ever. And now it's just their name. It's just
part of it's just words that makes sense to us.
I do remember tire Fire that was one of them
throughout tire Fire. Really let's just be called tire fire,
tire fire and yeah, and you sit there and go,
this is a terrible, terrible name. But like it's not
like dirty, gross grimy, like some backyard like you guys

(46:23):
are grimy. Yeah, exactly, like dirty and grimy. So um,
talk to me about like this whole new record that
you guys have. Do you guys play on the record.
We do, which is cool because that doesn't happen a
lot in town. It doesn't. It's very rare. And uh,
I think it's part of what makes us. You know,
people a lot of times will tell us, oh, you
guys sound like you. It sound like old dominion. And

(46:44):
I think partly because we play, you know we it's
it's Faust five and then this time, like Dave Cohen
has played keys and coming and done some different things,
so he's he's a big part of it too. Um.
But almost aside from Dave, every note and every choice
everything as you know, us playing and Shane producing and directing.
So I think for we always say for better or worse,

(47:05):
you know, it makes it sound like us because you
know we have limitations. Were not all studio level people,
but you know, like, um, I think that gives us
a fingerprint. Yeah, I think it's cool. I mean, and
for those that aren't familiar a lot. I'll even say
most records, even with bands, they'll bring in specifically trained

(47:26):
session players that their life is actually playing you know,
these guitar parts or the keys or um. But I
always like when when bands will will use their own
people as much as possible. Yeah, I do too, because
you know, if you use all the same guys that
everyone is using, sometimes those tracks start to sound all
the same. You ever see the beach boy stuff what
they used to do? Um, you know, I've heard some

(47:49):
of the behind the scenes stuff. Brian Wilson like he
would stay back and then we get the Wrecking Crew
and the record play all the songs and they would
go out and tour and Brian Wilson just stay back
in the studio and you know, it's just making everything
up and they have audience and sometimes the beach pots
play on the records. You know, they come in and sing,
but the records a pretty much be done. They go

(48:10):
out and make all the money touring. You know, Brian
Wilson's in with all the Wrecking Crew. Do you have
seen Wrecking Crew documentary Netflix? I have not seen that?
So good. There's a there's another one. Have you ever
seen Standing Standing in the Shadows of Motown? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I've watched that. I think it's a similar thing, right,
have yes? Have you? We're just gonna have you seen um?
But uh, I haven't seen hardly anything because your dad

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before kids. I just never watch anything like well, I
don't have a girlfriend's I'm watching everything like, welly can
I watch next? There's one that's about the guitar players
in bands, like famous guitar players that that maybe you recognize,
but and then it just goes through their stories and
it's pretty cool. And there's not the background singer one
where it's like it's like two ft from stardom or something,

(48:54):
which is fantastic. It's so good because it's like they're
so close and it's all these humongous acts. There's their
background singing, like singing from Michael Jackson and people like that,
like Cheryl Crow. Yeah, one of the most famous stories
was a legit Michael Jackson background singer, which is crazy.
So anyway, are you, like, do you practice still my instrument? Yeah,

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I mean every day pretty much is practice. Well, not
every day, but when we're on the road, I mean
we're playing the show. You know, we're doing sound check.
I mean we with those songs. I guess you're playing
songs you've played over and over, but I guess it
keeps your skills up to some level. But you know,
I'm also not like a lead guitar player where I'm
going to sit there and practice my scales. I think

(49:38):
for me, I'm more of a song person. I think
ultimately the biggest thing I contribute to the band is
the songwriting aspect. So I'm always practicing that. You know,
I think every day, what's your favorite song you've you've
written that that we would know that it has made
the light of day? Um man, it's so hard. Uh. Well,
I don't know if this is the light of day

(49:59):
necessarily what in a single? But there's a song on
a Keith Urban album I wrote called the come Back
to Me that he wrote Shane and Brandy Clark. It's
just one of my favorite songs. I've ever like to
hear a little bit of this one here it is
your favorite, you know what, it's my favorite? That's the
jam here. Yeah, just the lyric, it's just I think

(50:20):
one of the best lyrics written. Um uh is it
fuse if the lips that you want to get drunk on?
What's the one song of yours that you thought would
never really amount to it? Well, that's a weird question
because you know you didn't write you don't write them

(50:41):
to be discarded. But you're right, and you go, I
don't know, let's just put it out there. And then
all of a sudden, it's like, well bam, um well,
I loved the song so it's not because I didn't
like the song, but I met a girl really you know.
It was William Michael Martin. William Michael Morgan was a
new artist. He didn't I just signed a record deal.

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And so a lot of those come along where oh,
there's this new artist, we're gonna try to cut your
song on them, and and you go, oh cool. You know,
you're not jumping up and down or anything. You just
think that's a cool thing. Um. So for a new
artist to come out with a song like that and
then it would be on the chart for a year
and go all the way to number one, that one,
I definitely didn't see that coming. Which one of these
did you write and go yep, that's a hit? Um?

(51:25):
Better dig two was one. Took a while for it
to happen after I wrote it, but yeah, yeah, that
was definitely one. Um let me think what else? You know? Um,
I would say, uh, a song for another time. I
felt like when we wrote that one, we were almost
we actually we were done with the album and then

(51:46):
we wrote that and we we sound checked it in
the stadium one day and I was like, this is
a hit. This just feels like a big song. So
we went back in and recorded it just for that
album and a song we've never heard of that you
thought this is gonna be a jam and it wasn't.
Um hm, not so many actually a lot of them.
You think that, and then you go back and listen.
You're like, oh, yeah, it wasn't as good as I thought.

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But um m hmm was it one of those tire
fire songs? H yeah, we have a couple. I will
tell you. I go down the rabbit hole sometimes in
my iTunes, you know, with all my demos and work tapes,
and sometimes pull up the worst song. You know, people go, oh,
you guys are such great you every song you write

(52:28):
is great, and it's like, no, it's not. I mean
like we'll pull them up on the bus sometimes and
crack up about how bad some of the songs we've written.
Our favorite bang growing up. Um also a very hard
question because I loved everything but um in high school,
I was a big Faith No More fan, got into
you Have Faith No More in Nirvana. Yeah, oh totally, man,

(52:50):
But it's funny. I love stuff like that, but then
I would love like the super sappy, like slow seventies
ballads too, Faith No More and we there was a
big Weezer fan in college. Are you still a big
Weezer fan? Because I'm still a big How old are
you right now? So generally same here, I'm thirty eight,
I was, I was. I wear my clear frames on now,

(53:12):
but I wear my glasses because of Rivers Cuomo, and
I thought, but Rivers and Buddy Holly. I thought, if
those two nerds can be cool, like it gave me
confidence to be cool. Like I loved Weezer that much
and I still love Weezer. Do you still love I do?
Actually I went, you know, I went through a phase
there for a while where I didn't really check out
anything new they were doing. But then a couple of
years ago I kind of got back in and you know,

(53:35):
you look at a band like that and go I
used to just you know, hang on every album, wait
until it came out, you know. And so I'm like,
I haven't heard any of these albums, and actually, like
Pacific Daydream is, like I listened to it, and that's
one I'll listen to like all the way through, Like
it's one of my favorite Weezer albums. And it was
not too long ago they put that out and part
of the reason is we don't hang out albums at

(53:56):
all anymore, right, which is why your two albums are
so good. That I was saying on the earlier of
the day, and when I talk on the radio, I
imagine nobody hears what I say. I have to or
I'll never say anything, so I have to imagine that
it doesn't get out. I'm just talking to my friends,
or I would just cover everything I say, right, And
I was talking about you guys, and I was like,

(54:17):
you know what, I think they're my new favorite band.
I think the one in my top three because pound
for pound, all your songs are good. Like, I don't
know that you have it if tomorrow never comes in
my heart yet, but there'd have been enough time yet. Well,
although One Man Band is the jam, but like right
now it's in my it's in my my top ten,
but I think it's my Yeah, Like I'm a big,

(54:38):
big fan. I really am. I really really appreciate you
saying that. It's funny we didn't know when we first
came out. We were like, I don't think Bobby likes us.
You know, I probably didn't, and not that I didn't
like you, but I just didn't know, and I don't
want to be false with anyone. Oh yeah, I'm with
you ever because I can't lie when I don't like something.
It's hard for me to. You would never believe me

(54:58):
if I told you I like something. I can't remember
if I lie. That's why I don't lie, because I'm
I'm dude. I do this, I did show, I do
stand up, I'm writing books. If I lie, I just
don't remember. Because I would lie, I'd be great lying,
I'd be fantastic. I'd lie all the time. But help me,
I just can't remember, and so I don't. I mean,

(55:18):
I remember you guys would come in and it was
not that I didn't like. I didn't know yet, and
I don't want you to. I wasn't gonna be lie
and be like but now when you guys to come in,
I'm like hall of fame. Put him in right now,
get him out. That's them. I love it. Yeah I do.
I'm huge. But when I hope you know when I
say that, I'm from all sincerity like I mean it.
I feel I appreciate it that a one man band.
Well listen, I can't wait for the record. UM make

(55:40):
an interesting story. Faith No more did not expect that.
I guess I did. You know, we all come from
such diverse backgrounds and it's okay to love every kind
of music, and well, I just was a song person.
That's why it's hard when you asked that, I'm like, man,
it's so hard for me to say because I was more.
You know, my my parents didn't have a favorite band.
There wasn't one thing we listened to, so I just
was a station flipper. So I mean, it's like, it's

(56:01):
really hard to say what influenced me everything, did you know?
I mean, I grew up in Detroit, so it was
like we had Motown, we had great rap and hip hop,
we had rock as Detroit rock city. It was like,
I just love songs, and I think that's why I
gravitated so much to songwriting. And you had Napster, which
was a big deal for us because we were the
first real group of people to be able to get

(56:24):
anything and everything, not based on the region we lived in,
based on what our parents had in their collections, not
based on what the record store the CD store had,
and you know, again based on where you were, they'd
stock up on certain things. We had freaking Napster where
you would go. I think I'll take every song that
starts s then go to sleep every song and you
just hit play. I discovered so much music that way.

(56:45):
Me too. I actually found an old I was cleaning
something out and I found an old found an old
burn CD that I had made like fift twenty years ago.
I don't remember what it was labeled, but I'm like,
oh my god, I used to just stolen from Napster.
Stolen from Napster, probably thirty songs on there. Hey, listen,
I appreciate it. This, it's it's been a good talk
to an hour with you. Um, you know t Rose

(57:07):
and forty one on Instagram? Why forty one? By the way,
it was my hockey number in college, So it's always
been you played hockey in college. Yeah, that's a whole
other poet. If I didn't have to go do this
American I don't have to go do this American idol
hit come on tonight, Um, I would stay to talking
about hockey. Yeah, yeah, well next I'll come back sometimes.
All right. There at episode one sixty seven of the

(57:29):
Bobby Cast from Old Dominion, and uh, well, thank you
very much for having me appreciate it. Man. All right,
well we'll see we are the one to losers. What up,
um lunch box? And I know the most about sports.

(57:49):
I'll give the sports facts my sports opinions, because I'm
pretty much a sports genius. Hey, and I'm Eddie, and
I know the least about sports. I'm your average sports fan,
your sports watcher. I just don't know the who's who's
or the what's what's? What's up? I'm Ray, I'm from
the North. I'm an alpha male, a Yankee. I love
ice fishing. And if you go to a bar and
you see a guy shotgun in a beer, that's probably

(58:11):
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