Kimberly Perry (@thekimberlyperry) sat down with Bobby Bones to talk about her new chapter in life. In the past year, she and The Band Perry went their separate ways, and she released her first solo project, and also became a first-time mother in September! She shares what happened that made her decide to go solo, how she's not scared to be herself and how she got past measuring her success on a scale. Kiimberly also discussed how she feels when people ask her about The Band Perry and her reaction to being called a country band that 'killed their career.' She also shares how she's adjusting to life as a new mother and shares how her husband didn't know she was famous and how they eloped to Vegas and wrote songs together on their honeymoon and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
There are some sins of the TVP past that I
don't want to pay for, but I'm happy to give
some context to the roller coaster that became our career.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Wow Episode four twenty six with Kimberly Perry from the
band Perry. So, you know, I wanted to start this
by going, hey, I want to know like your preferred
boundaries and talking about your solo career versus the band.
But also it's an interesting dynamic because the band is
her family. Yeah, And like I wanted to know what
(00:39):
she wanted because I no referenced that a lot of
people will reference these really long interviews in their research,
which just like we do with other people too, And
so I kind of wanted to say it so they
would know, because the last thing that I ever want
to do with someone is make them so uncomfortable talking
about something they don't want to talk about. I'll definitely
go over there if I feel like it needs to
be addressed, but I don't want to stay somewhere uncomfortable
(01:00):
with So I was like, how much we're talking about
the band? I think Kimberly Perry is awesome, He's great.
I was trying to think about, like why I like
her so much, and I think it's she just feels
like she's not struggling to figure out what to say,
because she's just saying how she feels. A lot of
(01:22):
artists are a lot of people being interviewed. You're like, Okay,
what would be a good answer to this. She doesn't
really do that. She just says what she feels, and
that feels pretty refreshing. I think that's why. And did
we talk about in this her trainer that the beginning? Yeah? Yeah,
so okay. So she just released a new EP called
super Bloom on October twenty seventh, which is an extension
(01:44):
of Bloom that came out in June. There's a song
on there called Black Corvette, which I didn't know the
story about till you hear it. It's a great story.
Will you play a clip of the song? And we
do talk about the band Perry, and she says couple
things and I let it go by a little bit,
but then I have to go back to it and
you're like, what did you mean when you said this?
(02:05):
Because my understanding is maybe she thinks everybody has this
idea and feels a certain way because she's so involved.
When I was just like, I don't think everybody feels
this way, but I really enjoyed this talk the band
Perry for example, if I Die Young, here's this one here,
which was massive crossover. Then she did if I Die
(02:28):
Young too on the super bloom YEP, which is this
so check it out? All right, there you go. Kimberly
Perry really enjoyed it. Episode four to twenty six. Follow
her at the Kimberly Perry on Instagram and TikTok and
enjoy lit Kimberly Perry. It's always weird to do a
formal introduction. We've been talking for fifteen minutes. Hello, Kimbery Perry.
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You just were at the studio of my house, and
I think what's funny is as you've arrived, you saw
your trainer here.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So I thought it was funny too. She did not
think it was funny. I owe her a call. I
just totally blew out workouts last week and I was like,
you know, I'm just early morning.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
What a way to get caught? No, come me to
do an interview. You're a good old friend, Bobby, and
you run into your trainer that you've been avoiding is
here with my wife. I did not know that I
would have hid you, would to squeeze you in through like.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I I thank you. I love her so much.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
But my heart immediately felt convicted and my body felt shamed.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
How has it been the last month or so for you?
How holds a baby?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
So the baby is twelve weeks?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's well, I don't know if you posted the instagram,
you know, whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
The update it was just a few days after he
was So.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That that's crazy. Then that it's that long ago.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean, it's been both the longest and quickest twelve
weeks of my life. You know, I haven't really ever
been around babies ever. I think they're so sweet and
cute and cuddly, but I just had no experience. And
I think Johnny and I were like, I know, our
whole life is going to change. We just didn't know how.
I know now I know.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So can I ask you some questions about not selfishly?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Please, these are all very selfish questions, because we are
at the stage now where we're sort of talk about
having kids. She's not pregnant, No, nobody prent article. She's
not pregnant. I promise that she's not. No she's not
pregnant in any way, but we definitely are having those
conversations now. Yeah, the baby part, the baby baby part
seems awful.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Okay, so every I just want to be transparent. I
need you know, you have people who go like the
newborn phase was not my favorite.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
As a mother. I feel like, I just want to
be honest.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I love him more than anything, and I would give
up any minute of sleep for him to be our baby.
I'm so grateful for that. But it is a challenge.
And we have had kids older, right. I always was like,
it's got to be so hard to have kids in
your early twenties, for sure. A lot of people are
waiting longer. I think it's equally harder older because we
were like so set in our adams and in our schedule.
(05:01):
It's like I can grind all week and then sleep
for hours on Saturday kind of catch up. Don't have
that same option anymore, and I'm loving it. It's like
a science experiment every day.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's so hilarious, because yeah, I bet it is.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, it's crazy. We're really figuring each other out.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
And for me the heart, I'm a communicator, so the
hardest thing for me was like all give and no
receive for the first I don't know, ten weeks, But
then the last two weeks he's like smiling and he's laughing,
and we're doing this thing where we can communicate this
little gurgle sound, and he thinks it's hilarious that we're communicating.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So for me, we're getting into that phase.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Where it's like, Okay, you're giving me just a little
bit of communication back, and so I'm loving that part
of it, but it's a challenge.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Are you all the time exhausted?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yes, And so when we do that, thank god we've
been able to bring in like a night nurse.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I was going to ask if you had help, because
my wife was like, we don't need help, and I'm like, no, no, no, no,
I can actually help now.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So no, dude, let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So the first night that we came home from the hospital,
we were gonna have a night nurse, like three nights
the first week, and then when we had him in
the hospital, I was like, let's just cancel.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
We've got this.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
So we come home the first night and I just thought, like,
you would put a baby down in a bassinette and
he would sleep.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And leave the room and leave the room.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yes, we got a bottle of wine, we ordered some sushi,
and all of a sudden, it's like, you know, ten pm.
I was like, we don't got this. And it was
a really, really wild night. So I texted Am and
Dean with Mama Moon. At like three o'clock in the morning.
I was like, you have to have somebody here tomorrow,
like I need somebody to teach me what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
And so we've had help.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So it wasn't all just naturally maternal.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean I think loving him is. I think like
cuddling him is.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But like understanding how sleep patterns work, I mean it
is science right, Like he his naps are in a
forty five minute rhythm, and then if you want him
to sleep for two sets of forty five, I got
to make sure that he like crosses that gap between
the two. So I got a suit him he can't.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah. Yeah. So are you emotional? Are you intellectually tired
as well? Because you're learning all of this stuff as
well as emotionally and physically, all three hitting you at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I think for me it's more physical. I don't feel
emotionally tired. I do. It's it's definitely physical. Intellectually, I
love to Google, so like I'm in the middle of
the night, I was saying right before we got started,
I'm doing the nine pm to two am shift right now,
So from about like midnight to two am, I'm just
like learning on Google and asking every question that can
(07:35):
pop in my mind. I thrive on information, So that's
been really cool. It's just the physical part of it.
It's just unlike anything I've experienced so far.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Meaning afterward you're just broken down your body or physical
being awake.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
All the time, being awake all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
By the way, this could not even be recorded. I'm
asking selfishly, this is not I Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I think it's a great conversation to have, especially for
the line of work that that we're all in, right,
Like we grind so many hours of the day.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It's just a different kind of grind.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I had just never really experienced like sleep deprivation in
the same way, and so I'm an incredibly patient person.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And then there are these.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Moments on my husband it just has to go like, hey,
this is you tapping out for a minute, right, And
I'm like, you got to take him for the next
couple of hours. We definitely had great teamwork, but the
sleep deprivation I just I just.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Wasn't prepped for at all.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
What was being pregnant like.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I enjoyed it. I mean I wasn't like one of
those women that was like, I love being pregnant. I
can't wait to do it again.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But it was so rewarding for me for a few reasons,
because I think body consciousness in my career has always
been something that was like, Okay, unless you are one
hundred and twenty pounds, like you're not going to win
this award, or you cannot put out a single if
you're ten pounds overweight into a shoot. For like, that
was so in my head that the success of music
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was directly proportionate to what the scale said for me.
And I think that it was an interesting day to
grow up an artistry too, because in one hand, on
one hand, like social media and take everything that is
so raw and let's see all behind the scenes of everything.
Has been a benefit to not have to really like
have everything hinge on perfection. I think it's it's better
(09:15):
that we know our artists behind the scenes these days.
But for me, growing up in the first half of
our career, it felt very much like perfection. I remember
having a somebody at our label called me one time
the first time I showed up at like a radio
show early in the morning. You guys can appreciate at
like five am. I was like, I just can't do
makeup this morning, you know, And then I got a
(09:35):
call about it. It's like, don't ever show up. So
for me, I think being pregnant was getting to be
perfectly imperfect, if that makes sense, And it was sort
of like just embracing this season of womanhood versus I
don't know, just something that I had not gotten to
embrace before, and that was incredibly special for me.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So you kind of like kind of like being pregnant.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I liked the freedom of it.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, that's why I would like to get pregnant. You
should do that because because there's no choice, you're gonna produce,
you have a kid, and it's not like you can't
because there's a pressure. I put a pressure on myself.
I think we all have depending on our career. But
both of us do something that's very visual as well. Yes,
and with the television shows that I do, and people
(10:21):
can laugh, but I have to stay at a certain
fitness level or and it's not to the same standard
as women. I'm not saying that, but I know for
a fact that if I don't look a certain way
there are certain shows it just won't even totally won't
even have the patience to even talk to me about
it totally. And so that if I were to get pregnant,
(10:41):
which can't happen obviously, but it'd be so cool that
I could be like, I can't do anything about it, guys,
I'm pregnant. Yeah, so I do understand that as I
joke about it, yet you have no choice but to
accept it.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Almost, Yeah, for sure. And it was just a very
freeing thing for me.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And it was also cool to like see people respond
to it with hey, you're building and music at the
same time, and both felt very They're both from the
ground up. Again for me, if people touch you like that,
you didn't know good and I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Like there were some people that would.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Ask permission, and if I knew them, well, I was like, yeah, sure,
Like would you say you believe he's here? But I
have not said nobody has put me in an awkward
position thank God.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
But that's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I don't love it. Yeah, when people come up and
just do the hey, let me thanks uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
See, that's also why I wish I could be pregnant,
because I'd like people to do that to me, touch me,
just randomly, come up, just rub, rub the belly. Do
you feel like I just want to go back to
one of the things you said a second ago, where
you said you went to a radio show in the
morning and just the unfair pressure on artists or women. Yeah,
both and separately at the same time. Do you feel
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like your brothers would get the same call?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I mean, that's a funny way to ask that, because
I think like we all felt different pressures in different ways,
but theirs was not as much physical. I think the
nature of our band though, because we all felt like
perfectionism is something that we had to produce. I do
think they put a lot of pressure on themselves in
the same way that you know you're talking, like we
(12:12):
got to stay fit, we had a trainer out on
the road. I think everybody liked to look good, right,
Like we all enjoyed that, But I don't feel like
they would have gotten the call from outside the unit.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Really well, hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Where do you stand on the band talking about the
band how it relates to your solo career now? Because
I'm sure you don't want to happen into every interview
and the whole time talk about the ban. I wouldn't
want talk about the band pair the whole time, But like,
what is your what what would your goal be if
you walked into let's say, I guess I made you
(13:02):
want some content, they're talking for twenty minutes, They're gonna
want talk about the BAM Parry because that's how all
of us were introduced to you. What would be your
perfect situation when you walk in time wise, percentage wise?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I mean, I think for me, it's about the first
round of conversation, right, Like I think even when I
got to do your show earlier in the year, I
was like, we're definitely going to talk about TVP because
there are a lot of unanswered questions, not only like
why did we put the band on hiatus? But let's
be honest, like the last handful of years, I mean,
I saw this thing on TikTok that another outlet put
(13:37):
out and they were like.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Country bands that killed their career, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And it was like kind of a bummer on one
hand because the facts were just wrong. But I noticed that,
like every other hit on that TikTok page that was
like fifteen hundred views and likes, this had like one
point two million.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And I'm just like, I know that people have.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Unanswered questions, and so I want to be patient and
answer those as much as I can. I also, though,
I think it's really important that everybody understands I'm a
new female artist, right. I was grateful to be a
part of that, but I am an artist, amoun Right.
There are some sins of the TVP pass that I
don't want to pay for, and I won't pay for
as a solo artist. But I'm happy to give some
(14:18):
context to the roller coaster that became our career. Some
things that we could control and other things, a lot
of things that we couldn't.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And I asked that question because, for example, we'll sit
here for an hour and do whatever, and a lot
of people will reference this interview because we'll spend a
lot of time talking about a lot of different things,
and in research for interviews that you'll do with other people,
people will hear this interview. Yeah, And so I asked
that because you're not talking to anyone specifically, but you
can literally say, you know, I don't mind a couple
questions about it, but I freaking don't want to talk
(14:47):
about it for all twenty minutes if we're doing it
twenty minute. So like, really right now in this season
of you, people want to know, But how much until
you get annoyed?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Probably, like, because I understand where I'm at down for
sixty forty sixty towards Kimberly, forty towards TVP.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
For this first round of.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Better than I thought it would be me putting out
mesic I want like ten percent. I'll give you like
two questions and then you can hit one at the end. Yeah.
And I was trying to be respectful of you, even
when you came in the first time and I was like, hey,
I don't know if you want to talk about the
vanmpairry or not, because maybe you don't.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I think context matters, though, I think even making this
project that I made had a lot to do with
bridging the gap between part one of my life part
one of my creative and this part two, and so
to me, I'm like, never want anybody to feel like
there are things that I'm not willing to talk about,
and I guess for that reason again on this first
(15:39):
round of my solo artistry, I'm down for the sixty
to forty if people want together.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
What was home like as an eight year old for me?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, as an eight year old, well, Neil would have
only been one year old at that point. He was
a very serious baby, so it wasn't too loud around
the house. I though, as the oldest I remember, would
always want to still be performing then, Like I had
the performance bug really really early, and so we have
these home videos of you know, my mom like rocking
(16:07):
Neil and Reed was a little toddler, and I was
just in the background when somebody present me, like present me,
present me, mama.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So, I think I always had to be entertained, but
was always wanting to entertain, Like I was not just
a I could not have been an easy kid, even
at eight years old.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I was just wanting everybody to pay attention to me.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Where do you think that came from? As in where
your parents' performers, or did you have two brothers and
now you needed to fight for attention because you had babies.
Where do you think it came from.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I think there's always some of that with the older kid,
for sure. I think I definitely was used to all
the attention. My grandparents were extremely involved in my earliest years.
My aunt and uncle kind of took a village to
raise me in the beginning, and so I feel like
I was just used to a lot of attention. And
then I think, also it's my nature, Like I do
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think that people have a destiny, and I think we are.
I think you're born to do exactly what you're doing.
I think I'm born to do exactly what I'm doing.
And I think those things show themselves very early. In fact,
we even talk with Win, I'm like, I just can't
wait to see, like, what are his earliest signs of,
like the thing that he loves, that he's naturally so
gifted at.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Gurgling to be a professional.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Gurgl an Olympic yes, gurgler. And for me, I think
those were just early signs of what I was meant
to do.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So forgive me for not knowing your parents situation were
your parents there, were they alive? Yes, Okay, you said
aunt uncle, because my grandma raised my mom was out
for a lot of my life. I didn't know my dad,
So everybody's situation is different. So I don't want to
be insensitive. So you say a village, everybody lived close
to each other.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah. So I grew up in Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
We were in Madison, Mississippi's and my grandparents actually moved
from Texas to.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Be closer to all of us.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
My dad's parents lived on the Gulf Coast, so they
were just a couple hours away. But it was really
the maternal side that was really involved. I think my
mom and her sister want to kids to grow up
together and have cousins, and we were just incredibly incredibly close.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Were they musical at all? Your parents aunts Grandma's Like, hell.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
No, I mean everybody asked this.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
My mom was really good at piano, and I think
my dad loved music, but neither one of them like
to the level that we pursued. I think it was
something they were really excited that I got into really young.
I tested, I think when I was in fifth grade,
tested in like the top percent and the music aptitude test,
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and that was the moment that they were like, I'm sorry,
we have a musician in our house. And they really
started to do everything to facilitate that for me from
that age, and I think Red and Neil as they
got older, that looked like a really like a blast
to be able to play music.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Do you think they would have wanted to do music
if you hadn't.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's a great question. I think. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
We were following in life generally. Yeah, we're following some
sort of lead in someplace, their older sister who they
think is cool at least at some point, right, and
she's singing, and you know, would they have wanted to
follow that up if you weren't, if you just were like,
I hate music. You know what I'm gonna go. I'm
going to go with the engineer.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I think being the oldest, I definitely think that that
had a lot of influence on the path that the
family took.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I do. I think my brothers are also really gifted
it so.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Much so I'm curious to see what happens from this point.
You know, Neil is an incredible photographer. He loves music,
but he's kind of like an artist three sixty artists,
if you will. So I'm wondering how all that will coincide.
And then the same thing for Reid, Like Reid has
a brain that works like a scientist. He is a
food scientist. So I'm like, when can I come to
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your Michelin three star restaurant?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I can't wait? And he, I would say, brought a
lot of the taste and.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
The aesthetic to the band meeting, both like the sounds
of the records, but also a lot of the visual.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
He was kind of like our bar when it came
to that.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So they're so gifted in a lot of similar ways
to me, but also vastly different. So as their sister,
I'm just curious to see, like how all of that
will play out.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
For all of us when you turn twelve, thirteen, fourteen
years old? Are you the musical kid in seventh eighth grade?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Are you the the clarinet player?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So they know you? Your classmates know you love music? Yes?
And do you have class Were you homeschool or did you.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Guys know I was. I was in Poe's school.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Okay, so your classmates you're the music person, But what
did you think was like at the ceiling for music.
Because I'm from a small town in Arkansas. There was
no doing this where I come from. It wasn't that
I dreamed of. Because I saw it, I thought I
could do it. Yeah. So but what was the ceiling
in Jackson, Mississippi to you musically or was it just
not music? It was just like you're doing for a fun.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
At the time.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
No, I think the ceiling was very, very tall because
I was like obsessed with going to shows, even at
nine years old. The first gift that I was ever
given with music was tickets to the New Kids on
the Black Show, and it was at this stadium, and
I was the kid that thought, you know, they were
going to pick out one girl in the audience to
come on stage so Jordan Knight could like sing to
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her with his shirt blowing, you know, with the fan,
and I was just I knew it was going to
be me. It never dawned on me that it wouldn't
be on the stage, and so he didn't choose me.
So I left early, like even before Hanging Tough, I
was out of there. And so I think I always
had this sense of like my parents exposed me to
big stages as a fan really early on, and I
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think while maybe not like in sixth grade when I
started playing clarinet in band, I don't know at that
point that the dream was as big as that new
kid's on the block stage. But I also never probably
questioned whether or not I could be on a big stage,
if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
How did you have confidence? Where did that come from?
Because you feel like a confident kid at least in
that capacity, like who gave you?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I just didn't know better?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Probably, like I mean, I went, I was bullied considerably
in eighth grade four I don't know it was other
girls at the school, and my parents actually had to
take me out halfway in the middle of my eighth
grade year because these girls, like they just proper tried
to jump me after class one day, and I think
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some guy had said that I had said something really
bad about this girl that I didn't say, and I
just like was very confused by the whole thing. So
I would say pre eighth grade I didn't struggle with
confidence at all. I think after my eighth grade year
that was my first taste of like somebody doesn't like me,
you know, or this whole place is kind of against me.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
In this way.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I had never felt that before, And looking back now,
I remember when they took me out for the second
half of the year, like I couldn't stay awake during
the day, and now I was like, oh, I was
like depressed. You know, I didn't know that then, but
I kind of had to regain confidence at certain pivotal
moments in my life. And that was the first one
in my adult life. It would have been post divorce,
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and so what sometimes had come naturally to me confidence hope,
I had to regain those pieces at certain moments in life.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I'm sorry that happened to you in eighth grade. That's TRUEY,
that sucks. Yeah, I'm gonna sorry that happen to you.
So here you are, You're I just with me. These
cycles of the same things have happened over and over
in my life to where you say, you know, these
these girls in eighth grade affected you, and it affected
you later in different ways. It I mean it has
for me too, write like did it get hard again
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when you guys achieved a certain amount of success and
you could actually start to see the feedback that wasn't good?
Did it feel the same at the like almost like that,
like at its core, like because sometimes people will talk
bad about me, don't feel like I'm being beat up
again in fifth grade. Yeah, just first, it just feels
like the same. Did it feel like that at all?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, it was like, especially when social media really became
a thing. I would always tell my brothers Neil was
just like thick skin could read anything about us, positive
or negative and be fine any negative comment if there
were two hundred positives and one bad. I just really
struggled with it, and I think it was I think
it was triggering back to that earliest feeling of almost doom.
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Like it felt like a very like doom mom, like
everything's going to fall apart, everything's going to end based
on this one comment.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I think I have a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
More of a thick skin now, but only because I've
arrived back to a place of confidence in the last
couple of years, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
But yeah, I would feel those ways about it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I was like, you just can't tell me about it,
because if I know it exists, it will not get
out of my head for the days.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, I would. I would have a spiral at times.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, it's it's it's hard and it again, I don't
know if you fall this way, it didn't matter how
many positives were there, and they were overwhelming, and.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You would find the onegative, the one.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And I just I couldn't and I had one. I
put out this song embarrassingly god hotlia, I'm wearing the
merch today. But I put it out last week and
there was so many wonderful comments on my Instagram, and
there was this one woman who just like it clearly
was not about my version of Holly, you know, like
the hatred, and I was just like, you know what,
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I don't even feel this bless her. I was like,
what's going on in her life? She's having a bad day.
And I was like, Okay, this feels nice to be
at this, like very arrived moment. I don't want to
welcome nobody tests me in this, like, don't fill up
the comments, you know, with a million things, just all
pay attention to it.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
But it felt nice to go like this just doesn't hurt.
I don't feel this. This is not about me.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And probably because you have through an education, which is
hard to do. If it's hard to get an education,
and perspective is only gained because you've had to go
through crap to get it. Yeah, it is that you
can at times filter out what matters and what doesn't,
and sometimes the stuff that doesn't still gets me. Right,
But for the most part, same yeah, right, Like I've
focused enough on stuff that doesn't matter that now I
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can kind of see it coming and I can sometimes
stop the spiral. Right, I still get there at times,
or if I'm just in a weird place or a
bad place and it hits me just right, You're right,
I wish we value we. I won't insert you in me.
I wish I valued because I do value them, but
I wish I valued at the same level the positive things.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's hard for me to let that in sometimes, and
I don't know why that is either.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It's almost like.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I never yet, I never let that impact me in
the same way as negativity, and I don't love that
about myself.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I want to let it.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
We just treated it the same. Well, yeah, we're not
even you and I both aren't saying here. We wish
that we valued the positive comments more one to one.
If you just valued it the same total, we would
still come out of winner. Because I feel like, for
the most part, people like me, right, some people don't.
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But I also don't like everybody, so I shouldn't expect
everybody to like me, right exactly. Now, this is adult
perspective that's kind of creeping in on the unhealthy thoughts
that I've always had. But if we just valued it
the same, like says some nice masa's some negative. Okay,
well those two are the same. Let's just remove those
all together. We're even I would just be in the positives.
But I still still struggle with that sometimes too, especially
when it's something that's not true. And for me, getting
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married has been a great help because my wife is
not in this industry in any way whatsoever. Does not
like it. She doesn't hate it, but she's not drawn
to it at all. Actually, she's been drawn less to
it being in it because she's like, oh, I don't
like being public. People are mean to her for no reason,
so it makes her go. It's not for me because
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I haven't done anything to expose myself to get the
sort of criticism. Like she'll say, I'm not you. I'm
not trying to create a career where you do have
this happen to you. People will have opinions. I just
exist in People come to me, and so it's made
her not enjoy it more than she already wasn't enjoying it. Sure,
but it's also been great for me because I can
be with someone who is sitting in this this tornado
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of entertainment. If it's TV radio.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Means whatever it is to be really grounding year I
know it is for me.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's what I was going to lead to. So now
when you go home is you are very involved, for
you have been for a long time in Nashville and
music as big as it gets. Can you go home
and since you have someone that's not fully in it,
not be in it for a bit?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
And when I met Johnny, we met down in Dallas
during COVID because it did not exist in Texas. And
so the first day that we all hung out, it
was with a group of people and we all wound
up at this thrift shop and it just so happened
that there was a TVP shirt at the thrift shop,
which I was super offended by. I was like, who's getting.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Rid of this gold?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
That's hilarious, it's really good.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And so he got the shirt and he had no
context for anything that I had ever done in music,
like if I Die young, it's not a song that
was on his radar. His taste in music live very.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Very esoteric like, and it was nice to kind of
just have I don't know, the first person to accept
me just like one hundred percent for me, and to
know that there was so much purity in that and
like he thought I was hilarious just based on my
sense of humor.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It wasn't like I'm gonna live at your jokes so
I can try to like score another day.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It just felt wholly accepted.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And so he still just he understands our world more
now just because he's gotten a up close, you know,
view of it.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But he doesn't care. He just doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And that helps me also not care about certain things
that I would typically obsess over and spin out over.
And it's just been nice to be like, hey, I'm
building from the ground up again, you know, grateful for
the TVP foundation. I would say, there aren't a million
favors that are coming towards my artistry because of that,
which I'm totally down for. So we're in some respects
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our family is grinding all over again. But it's been
nice to have his stability to sort of separate from
the way the grind felt the f time it was
full on twenty four to seven four years, you know,
it's consumed.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Consumed, So the parallel is hilarious. So my wife I
would same, right. She usually she had went back to
get her graduate degree. She was living in California. She
didn't listen to the show. She didn't any think about
and her friend, we had a mutual friend that's from Oklahoma,
where she's from. It's like, hey, you two should be
you know whatever. It was also an organic meat. Everything
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about it was what it shouldn't have been, which was
organic because now just a lot of stuff's not organic
now or maybe that is organic now. But to how
you know, I grew up, how we grew up, And
so I would balance unhealthily balanced myself because I'd be like,
how does she not know I've done this stuff? She
should like be like in awe that I But then
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I was so happy she it was like I would
never let myself be fully happy because I was. I
loved it. She couldn't give a crap about it. But
then I was kind of like but like no, a
little bit, like gass me up a little bit because
of like my achievements.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I feel that. And so it's been a high wire
that I've my ego has had to walk a little
bit because there are time and she'll tell me, she'll go, hey,
would you please let me know when something's a big
deal right right? Because I won't sometimes and I'll get
my feelings hurt when she doesn't acknowledge it, and she's like,
I don't live in this space. And she's very mature,
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way more mature than I am emotionally. Yeah, she's like,
I need you to let me know when something's a
big deal because I don't. I don't know. And so
that's what that's our communication in this world of entertainment.
Love that Like if I get a show, a TV
show and it's like I don't really care, not that
I don't care, but it's not the big deal. I'll
be like, not the big deal. But sometimes they like
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you need to throw me at dinner right like this
is like this is made. But that is a mature
part of our relationship. Now, how did that go with you? Guys? Again,
she's learned a lot about it, but she didn't at first.
Was there like an elementary class you had to teach
him on things that are entertainment.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
For me, where it comes up or came up earlier.
You know, our relationship would be like if he was
always surprised if I was recognized somewhere, He's like, I'm sorry, wait,
how does that person know you?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
And I was just like, you should just do a
deep dive.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You know, like I, I'm not really a person that
ever felt like a star or like a celebrity. Really,
we were so inside our bubble of just grinding that
I don't know that there were many times that we
just sort of sat and enjoyed that side of it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Do you regret not enjoying that side of it? Or
do you think that actually allowed you to succeed more
because you didn't.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yes, and no, I wish that I had felt the
fruit of the labor a little bit better, Like I
think that would have felt nice. I do think it
helped us grind, But I also think it made us
not compromise in certain moments that we should have to
keep our career trajectory a little more stable. Like I
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feel like if I understand stood from the outside looking
in or looking at us, how much there were parts
of CVP that were so revered despite what was happening
like behind the Curtain, which was really complex at that
time professionally with the people we were working with, I
would have gone, let's protect this and figure out how
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to navigate what's happening the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain.
Let's figure that out to really protect and guard what
we have here. So for that reason, I wish I
had understood it a little bit better.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Want to jump way ahead, but I do want to
come back, and I'm going to plead ignorance to a
couple of things a second, But I do want to
talk about now because it was it Did you give
it a certain amount of time or was it just
a feeling where it's like, I'm going, I'm giving it
a run again and by myself, and I know what's
going to happen when I go back. Everybody's gonna want
to be like, oh, I love you, or why are
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you back? Or I didn't love you, you know, because
it's not like you're just a new artist. You're a
new artist. You're a new artist that people already have
some sort of relationship with. Right, So was it strategic
to come back after a certain amount of time or
was it just a feeling inside and you're like, let's
just go.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I think it was a feeling that I had more
to say, you know, it was really it's a difficult
path to feel like irrelevant and then you're irrelevant And
that's not even the ego side of it, Like, that's
the artistic side of it. For me, for my songs
to be heard and be being sung and irrelevant and
then to not have the art respected in that way
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or even heard right even given the shot, that was
what really drove me to go, like, no, I'm not
trying to book a year of TVP shows at this
amount and just fade off into the sunset, like I
want to be part of the future, not just the past.
And I understood what that meant, but like start from
the bottom again, and there's a grind that comes with that.
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But for me, it was about the relevance of the
songs and the art being modern and being future oriented
and not just past oriented.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Did you have a certain piece of creative content that
could be a song, that could be a poem or
whatever that made you go, oh god, I don't want
to just be that person that everybody knows me for
like I want to be my own. Was it based
on anything that was kind of a trigger point for
you or did you just always know when you were
just kind of at one point, I'm gonna get back in.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I spent a lot of time during COVID writing songs
by myself, with my acoustic guitar and by nature. I'm
a folk writer, like If I Die Young is a
folk song, right. Obviously a country has its American roots music,
there's folk, we got rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
There's a lot that goes into the body of country music.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
And so I've always felt like my songwriting fit best
in this genre. But during COVID, I had not reconnected
with just myself as a songwriter without anybody else in
the room in a while.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Why did you do that, though? Why did you reconnect?
Like what led tod that, what triggered that to go?
I need to reconnect with myself.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Just the stillness of COVID, like the stillness of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
And we had come back home from the West Coast
because read Me and I lived out there for several
years and came back to our farm in East Tennessee,
and it was just like, I have nothing to do
every day but write songs during the day and drink margarite.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Isn't watch The Bachelor at night like that with my COVID.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
And I was also in a really kind of lonely
place there, like I had not met my husband yet
and really wanted love and my own family.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
I wanted that to develop in my life.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And so that body of work and those songs that
I wrote, I would never release now because it doesn't
feel like where my spirit is I'm in a much
happier and healthier place. But then that's some bolt of
writing in that way, and the transparency of the lyrics
that I was like, whoa, I've arrived at this new
place of just song craft for me myself and I
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that inspired me to like, let's get back home, let's
get back to Nashville, let's get back to country music,
and let's see if I can bring what I love
about this vulnerable writing forward with me and maybe that's
the future of my voice.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Did you have to build the confidence back up?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I had to build confidence back up on the heels
of a divorce.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I went through a divorce personally, personally, Yeah, hope, was
always super easy for me to find.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
I didn't like lose it that much.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
But coming back and getting back on my feet after
that and everything that that just does to your self confidence.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
It doesn't to anybody who's walked through it. You know
that took a minute to rebuild.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
What do you mean, I've been through a divorce. Hopefully
I didn't get back to I was forty, So yeah,
I waited a long time, never thought I was gonna
get married. Yeah. I never really wanted to get married
until I met my wife. Yeah, and so I'm gonna again.
I'm asking these questions not because I want anyone to
be like, Oh, look at the I'm generally curious, and
I feel like you and I can talk openly and
for sure what happens? What do you you just do
you feel like you didn't?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I think the exposure feels right because you just, whether
it's to their friends or their family or the public
at large, like you're sharing every moment with this person
who knows you for better, for worse, and then all
of a sudden, it's like the person you're the most
terrified of because they have all the AMMO of your life.
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You know it wasn't even about like public exposure. It
was just like, Okay, now I'm sort of in opposition
to this. That felt very disorienting to me because in
my family when I grew up, you know, it felt
like a really safe environment and even if like you know,
it all hit the fan or somebody was going through
a moment, like you protect that information, You protect that
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person until they get on the other side of it,
and all of a sudden, I was just that was
just a really like a dittle crazy thing to my minds.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
You talking about that. I was with my therapist, was
in therapy a couple days ago. You go to therapy
at all, you have definitely, so I was. For me,
it's been an adjustment being to be someone safe. Yeah,
my whole life didn't have family, didn't have safety. My
wife is extremely safe. Yeah, but it's so foreign that
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it doesn't feel safe because it's it's so new. And
I was my therapist was like what he asked me,
He said, where do you feel safe? Just generally, where
have you ever felt safe in your life? Where do
you feel safe now? Period thought about it for a
long time, and I said, you know, I feel like
now I don't have to worry about paying bills anymore.
I feel safe there, and he was like, but what
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about your wife? I said, you know that that's the
safest I know with my mind, that's the safest thing.
But when we get in a fight, I'm still like,
is she gonna leave? And his whole thing to me was,
you know, you've developed differently and slower and in some
ways much faster. But when you talk about safety, I
can see how that would be such a difference for you,
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because both of us have had safety and it's been
unsafe at the same different places. So it's a shock
other happens, it's a.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Shock to your system. And for me too, it was
not only you know, just like the exposure of somebody
who knows you and can almost like just reject everything
that that was. I was like, but why what did
I do wrong?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Like?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
What was I not enough?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
It just really almost I think every other bit of
criticism had come from the outside towards me at that point,
you know, it's like career criticism, whatever. But that was
the first time that the critique was like in my
heart and I just hadn't felt that way before. And
I don't know, maybe he had certain feelings of that
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as well in the end, but that was just it
was a moment in time that I had to sort
of like start to do things on purpose. Let's figure
out what to put hope in and how to like
muster hope on purpose.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Let's do that with our confidence.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Let's do the work, Let's go to therapy, Let's work
ourselves from the inside out again and rebuild. And ultimately
I'm grateful that it all happened because now I don't
do anything on accident, Like I'm not standing on my
own two feet because I've never been sort of blown
by a strong winds. You know, they were just like
planted here because I've done the work to know that
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they're firm.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Now.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Is there an appreciation for safety now because you had
it before and then didn't have it, but now you
understand how valuable it is?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Absolutely? And I found that in my marriage as well.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
We were raised very much believing and that marriage is forever,
and that when we said I do and we elope
to Vegas at midnight after eight months, you know, it
was like this is us deep diving forever. And I
think we both approach our marriage like that every single day.
And you have to write because a lot of crazy
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stuff has even happened the last couple of years that
we've already walked through as a couple. And it's the security,
though of walking through with somebody who's not just gonna
like leave or it's gonna feel.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Too much for He'll never get to that point. He
has really strong emotional shoulders, you know, really yeah, and
he helps me shoulder all the things and vice versa.
He's had a lot of the inception of his life,
had some really crazy experiences. And the first weekend we
hung out, we just shared all that with each other
and I was like, this is my person, this is
the safe spot.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
He is one of the writers on Black Corvette. He is, Yeah,
how what when?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
So we started Black Corvette actually had our honeymoon. We
honeymooned in Palm Springs for a month and we did
it a month.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, it was really really fun.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
But we did it in like August of twenty twenty
one and heat wave, like I mean, I think the
heat index was like one hundred and fifteen. It was
so hot the ac went out at our airbnb. It
was just like amazing. We just stayed the poll all day,
drank Palomas all day. It was so much fun. But
we had some guitars out there, and I really wanted
to tell the story of kind of like the black
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Corvette is our spirit animal, because when we decided to
a lobe, it was a very spur of the moment.
We were in LA and we wanted to drive to Vegas.
But I was like, we got to put some white
tests in here. If this is the right thing to do,
Like if somebody will let us rent a black Corvette
and drive it from LA to Vegas and we can
do it today, then this is meant to be today.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
If not, we cannot go.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Get that That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, And so like the first guy that we called
my name dropped and he was a fan of the band.
He's like, I trust you to take my car, and
so they let us ticket on a road trip to
Vegas in back.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
So you found a black Corvette we did first call.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
We made and I was like okay, and then everything
like we didn't have an efficient and the Little White
Wedding Chapel was closed early. They closed like eight PM.
We weren't going to make it till ten. So I
was like, man, I don't know I guess we just
like start taking off from this corvette and the pieces
will fall in place. And so I just googled like
twenty four hour efficient and there was this woman who
went to Vanderbilt got her divinity degree. There worked Glenn
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Campbell's Gennell on my mind when it was a radio single,
which is like the song that we got our Grammy
for for re recording, and she and her husband who
looked just like Chris Christopherson showed up and married us
at midnight where we were.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
At the wind We just got a hotel room.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
And the black thing blows my mind. That that you
guys like if we can find and you found a
black court.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yeah, so every time we see one now it's like
pay attention. We're either on the wave or something is
coming to us, like we need to pay attention.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Do you guys own one? Not yet?
Speaker 3 (44:27):
And now we have a baby.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I'm like, okay, I guess we can use this for
date night with the whole two seats, but we don't yet.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
You're only three months into having a baby, and so
again your life has shifted and you've had to modify
in ways that you don't even understand. You're going to
always have to do it. I'm told what do I
know about?
Speaker 3 (44:45):
I'm told too, I don't know yet, but I believe them.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
And what I like about having this conversation with you
is how you let it. You're like, oh, I was
never around babies me either, So do you guys it's
only three months. It's an almost unfair question. Are you
guys trying to prioritize still trying to have an identity
as a couple not just a couple of parents. Oh?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yes, we talked a lot about that even before we
got pregnant, because it was like, and I think that's
also an important thing for a kid to observe, you know,
as we grow in our couple. I want our kids
to always see us, says yes, mom and dad. But
also like, hey, look at this marriage. I want that
for myself, Like I want to set a great example
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for what he eventually will look for in his life.
And I already even now like pray, like, you know, God,
let his wife, whoever she may be today, just let
her have a happy morning. You know. I believe in partnership,
the security of it, like we've talked about, but also
like I think great, great things are born from that,
and I want our kids to have every bit of
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confidence in his home so that he can inject that
confidence into his heart and let that flow from there.
So yeah, we definitely have like found the right folks
to come in who are so sweet and love with
as much as we do.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
For the five hours that mom and Dad made like a.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Night, was it hard on the first time?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
It was, although the night nurse was the first and
we were so sleep deprived. I was like, thank you,
thank you, and he was crying. I was like, I'm
so sorry to hand him to you like this, but
thank you for being here. So it just felt like
a blessing. I think we would get a little bit
of sleep that night.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Did you think you would cut Black Corvette when you wrote it?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
So the funny thing, I mean yes and no, Like
I loved it, and then the Bloom Project and Super
Bloom happened in two sessions, and so we cut Black
Corvette in the first session but did not put it
out until Super Bloom.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
So it's not that I didn't even love it.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
It didn't feel like it fit into the first five
and I think it was just like the part of.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
The narrative was kind of like not there for me yet,
but it felt like it had to be a part
of this super Bloom moment.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Like before we move on and before I tell any
more of the story, whenever I'm going to say next,
it had to We had to tell that part of
our nror.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
We mentioned before you and I started we were recording,
we were talking about Bloom the summer it came out.
Super Bloom came out into of October was a couple
of weeks ago, and it was five and now it's nine.
It's like it's a deluxeype that it mean.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
It's basically all the kids are putting out the DELX right,
it's as super deluxe.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
They can't get an more deluxe to this. But again,
with your music and you returning, did you feel like, Okay,
the songs they need to be good, but also the
message of the story has Would you have just put
out great songs that meant nothing.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
I don't think I can do it. I don't think
I could even do that with TVP And that became
some of the struggle, to be honest, like, I feel
like in some respects our whole career hinged on.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
There's like BC and AD was that song Chainsaw.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
You know, like both with our relationships behind the scenes
but also the public.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
I was just like I could not wrap my head.
I love the writers.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I think it's a great song, I did not think
it was our song, and I really really struggled with
having to make that like the single that was growing
our because it just didn't feel authentic to me.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
And I feel that.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Way about my music, like I have to be able
to emotionally connect with it or feel like it's something
I would have said, like better dig too, not an
authentic part of my story. At that time, I was
being a storyteller, but it was a story that I
loved to tell. So that's kind of how I feel
about my own music. I needed Bloom and Super Bloom
to be probably the most highly narrative of what I
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will put out in my career as a solo artist.
I think I put so much pressure on that was
like a bar for me. I have to have lived
every word in these nine songs. I think that can
loose them up in the future, Like if I want
to do a breakup song and I'm not actually breaking
out my husband, I'm down to do that because that's
a story that I and a character that I love
to tell.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
But this project had to be every word a truth.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
I thought that might be the case because again, you
only have a first time to have a first time, Yeah,
except you get it second first time, which is even
more rare. Yeah, so you kind of to be very
direct and deliberate about what your narrative is.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Even looking at some of the writers that you wrote with,
like we're friends with Sasha, Sloan and Henry, like there,
I love them. There's awesome. Now, I've never done anything creative.
We hang we hang out, or Henry and I will
play golf or whatever. So I don't know them in
that capacity. I just know as people. I can enjoy
their work if I'm just consuming it. But when you're
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writing with Sasha and Jimmy's been here before, I know
Jimmy Robins. You know you guys. What song did you
guys do together? There's one burn that's the one you
guys you three wrote together. Okay, to work? What is
it like to work with her? Because she like you,
You kind of know what you get pretty quick, and
you also will decide do I like it? Right? You
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two are very similar in that way.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
What what's it like to write with Sa We've written
several times now. The first write was burn the House Down,
and I just loved her because like, what you see
is what you get, and I'm not like a highly
emotional I'm highly emotional. I don't think I'm like like,
for instance, on Christmas morning, I could get everything that
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I wanted as a kid, and I wouldn't get like
over the top excited about it, you know. I was
just like, cool, this was really nice. I feel like
Sasha is very much wired in the same way, like
our temperaments are very compatible.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
In the writing room.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
The day that we wrote burn the House Down, I'd
had some stuff going down that day, and so I
just kind of started the session with like, here was
my morning, you know, And then I think she was like,
here was my morning. And Jimmy was like, how about
we say it like this, you know, to Rish and
the ashes, you got to burn the house down? And
it was just this perfect blend of like feeling safe
in a space to be vulnerable with what was actually happening,
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and also her sense of melody and the way that
she has her little dark tinge and the way that
she likes to write things I totally resonate with. It
just really felt very meant to be and it was
really quick. Right, we work well together.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I'm such a fan of her work. I like her
as a person, But I can definitely separate the two, yeah,
because I don't ever work with her. I'm such a
fan of her, her work and her writing and her
amazing And it's just like, you know what you're getting.
Even musically, you just know who you're getting. You listen
to a song and a half, it don't matter if
it's and most of them are not up tempo, but
you did you know who that is. But I feel
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the same way with you a bit with even with
this project, and the first track on it is you
Bulls Gold, which is basically tell me if I'm wrong here,
referencing you guys trying something else that maybe you shouldn't have,
Like when you guys are in the Vamp Perry, I.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Wist initially trying something we shouldn't have. I'm always down
for people to the.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Word that's what that was the result got it okay, right.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
So I'm like, I'm always down for the the expiration.
I'm a type of person like if I have a
question I have to have an answer to it. I
can't really take somebody else's word for it always. Maybe
I wish I could, And I think it was incredibly
important in some respects that we took the steps that
we did, but I definitely thought the outcome would be different,
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and so for me it ended up like, oh, I
was chasing this thing.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Was because somebody told you it would be different? Did
you find Fool's goal? To me is like you're chasing
something because somebody says there's goldennmbdar hills and you get there.
There are no hills or goal.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
I think it was more everybody saying, hey, you've been
successful in this space, You're going to be successful in
this space. There is a plan that has to be
executed to go from this space to this space, and
I don't think that we had at that time the
team to really help us make that real. But I
also think that by nature, I'll speak for myself, I'm
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more built to be a country singer songwriter than a
pop artist. That's what I resonate with, That's how I communicate.
But I think there was this part of me it's like, well,
we can do this, we can do this. We love
everything so we can do everything, like I'm a fan
of if You Crossed Over accidentally with If I Die Young, Yes,
And I think that getting that early taste is honestly
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all we wanted to do over and over again. For
a lot of reasons, that path on other songs was
cut short for us, and I just really wanted to
get back to the full run, like let the song
go to number one at country radio and then if
the world wants to hear it, then let's go do
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that run.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
And then that's going to take us internationally.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
We love to tour over in Europe, you know, so
that's for the career arc. I just wanted to keep
seeing that up always starting in country music and rooted here.
But I don't know, I just felt like when the business,
I hate it when the business gets in the way
of like the creative, you know, But that definitely in
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that moment got in the way of what was happening creatively,
and so I guess it was like sort of found
ourselves in no man's plans and that was really really
like a challenge. But ultimately I'm baked as a country artist.
It's what I do, it's what I love, it's what
I'm good at.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
I don't even think anybody questions I don't know how
you feel, because you see what remarks from everybody all
the time, right yeah, anybody that I know, even not
super in the business. No one has ever come to
me and said, Kimber's full of craps back in country
because she had to be backing country. Nobody says that.
I don't feel like you have to like prove yourself
as a country art. Do you feel like the country?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
No. I think it's more like I have to answer
why we ever stepped forward out of that in the
first place, and our intention.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
That story has gotten so I don't even know this
wor over the well. I think there were a lot of.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Voices that were like they just left country in the dust,
they didn't care, and that was not that was not true. Well,
like the article I was saying earlier on the TikTok,
it was like they just decided to do this thing
and they just had telled it out here. It's like, well,
first of all, it's not what happens. I know that
that's the story that got told on our behalf in
a season where like, for a million reasons, we just
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couldn't really tell the real story of what was happening,
and that sad to me because that was never our intention.
So I think I feel the needs sometimes to defend
why we stepped forward in the first place, but also
to own that at the same time. Is like defend
it and own it, you know. Yeah, And that was
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what fools Gold was for me. Like, let me say this,
it was not everything that I was hoping it would be,
but it's also nice to come back and like feel
rooted again. And I think people give me the benefit
of the doubt, and my intentions are pure, and I
have felt the warm welcome.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
I agree with country music. I think they do, even
without you around, give you the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, and that means a lot to me because that's
not something that I just assume somebody should offer.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
I agree, and I don't think everybody does. I think
most people do, and the people that don't probably because
they have a relationship that with you or your people
or And I don't know this firsthand because I don't
know that I was here, but I don't I just
never got round. I don't know the story. Yeah, all
I know is I was I'll get that second, I
have one more song. I want to ask in your
project one more thing monsters, which is the parentheses wits
(56:05):
Lala my song. I got like four more questions. But
so is that a song that you'll play him? Or
was it just kind of inspired by what like what
tell me witsla? Why?
Speaker 1 (56:19):
So I found out I was pregnant, and for whatever reason,
I was just like, I kind of have to write
lyrics and melody at the same time, Like I can't
just go like, oh, this is a really lovely melody.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
What's it saying to me? Like the words? I just
will just jam and have my like the voice notes
on my phone.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
And for whatever reason, I started to sing that thing
about ain't no monsters under the bed, no history hanging
over my head. It's something that I felt for myself
in that moment, both from just like the entire history
of my life. I feel like I was at this place.
I was like, I'm not scared anymore. I'm not scared
to be me. I'm not scared for people to know
exactly what that is. I do feel a regained sense
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of confidence and maybe even a confidence I have never
experienced before. And then I found out I was pregnant
around the same time, and it was like, I loved
the idea of getting the pieces in your life organized
and cleaning out the clutter in your closet to be
able to make space for like another person to come in,
whether that's a relationship, whether in my story that was
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for our son to get to come in and go like, hey,
you've got a clean slate here to make this planet
anything that you want it to be. As much as
I can and as much therapy as I've done, I
want to give him like the opportunity for it it
to not have a mountain to climb before he's even
started to crawl, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (57:39):
So that's what monsters meant to me.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
And it also felt like this point of arrival, I
felt like I was singing that to myself as well,
like it's my truth and my lullaby, and I wanted
to offer that to our son.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, that's pretty cool. Kind of wondered, Wow, I would
record it, or if you recorded it for the reason
of I'm always going to play it for him. But
now that you say that, I understood that the context
is great.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah, Like there was a moment I was like, do
it is this the offering, Hey, lay your head here
on my shoulder, or is it there ain't no monsters
under my bed? I lay here on my pillow, Like
is it the self confidence statement or is that offering?
Speaker 3 (58:19):
And it kind of feels like both.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
You know, Okay, I got like three questions left, and
I'm gonna get plead ignorance. This is what I know,
because I don't when you're like people hold us accountable,
I don't know what you're talking about. And I just
kind of nodded along, like yeah, of course, yeah, because
that whatever that is, I don't know it. The only
thing that I remember is and I don't know who
who your management is now, but I'm at Red Light
(58:44):
and I know you guys were there and they were like, yeah,
the vampire is leaving Red Light. I was like okay,
and that was it. That's all I ever knew. And
then I saw on Instagram at like wait, maybe yellow
black or yellow again. I don't even.
Speaker 3 (58:56):
Remember, but in the color of the moment, like the
live forever moment.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Maybe don't remember, but that's all I remember. But to me,
I never felt any sort of they you're terrible, they suck.
They left, But I'm not in the space that you're in.
What do you think was the unfair narrative and why
do you think that was it?
Speaker 3 (59:17):
Well, let me say it this way.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
I'm just con I feel like sometimes when and I
feel like I see this sometimes from other artists who
have stepped out of the space, you feel like you're
fighting with everybody when there's a challenge going on, like
behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Like a record label.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah got it, okay, you feel like you're fighting a
genre for your identity and like to grow and to
be rooted here, but also like explore and get to expand. Now,
in hindsight, I go I was only fighting like a
couple of people for that identity and for that control.
It was not country music. And the part of the
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story that's gotten very lost is that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
We were not trying to leave the format.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
When we left our first label Home, our intention was
not to just go sign above You in LA, right.
We wanted to stay rooted in country, which is why
we did the deal at Yung Here. And we also
had a parent company, which was Innerscope in LA And
that's the same situation that we had been in from
the beginning. When If I die young crossed over to
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pop radio, and so I think all of a sudden
what happened was country radio, which was so incredibly you know,
you lived and died by it. At that moment, that
rug got really poled out from under a feet. Like
I remember going to do some radio shows promoting our
next country single, a song called combat Kid that we
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put out at YUMNG, and I would have these pds
kind of come up the heads of these stations and
they would just say, thank you so much for being here,
I cannot play this song because because they had been
told that it was an act of aggression if they
played it, and that they were not to support us anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Okay, so this is a situation where don't fill in
any blanks through this situation where it's somebody or some
unit is powerful force there, you're not aligned, and because
you're not aligned, their alignment.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Wins correct which makes sense to me, because you know,
at that point, gatekeepers were such a such a powerful force,
and that was a really heartbreaking thing, and it just
kept happening. And so the head of our new label
at that point they called us on like a Saturday
(01:01:34):
and they just said, Hey, these waters are really turbulent,
and so we don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
How to protect you here and help you keep.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Growing, keep going, I guess, and like, see if this
can break over in the other side it pop And
so it was really scary. And it was also like, man,
this is such a bummer because I feel like we
just gave all of this time to build this this foundation,
and now it feels like rug has been pulled underneath
our feet.
Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
All that to say that's nerdy music business stuff, but.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I need that context because I don't know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, And so it's really it's incredibly hard sometimes to see.
It's less hard now because there's so much time in
the rear view, but when somebody brings the story back up,
like the band that killed their own career, it's just like.
Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Well, you know, there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
That you couldn't see that we were we were dealing
with and struggling through and we love country music as
the band period. Was never our intention to have that
in the rear view. We just wanted to continue to
grow and be ourselves at home here and also as
if I die young, did have it expand as large
as it could in the world, right, Like that's the
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dream for everybody. So I think in my solo artistry,
it's just important for me to be a defender when
I can and fill in some of the blanks that
people are curious about, and to really like protect our
legacy as much as we can. I'm incredibly proud of
what I balanced.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
All three of those things are what a balance. Yeah,
adding to protect your legacy is quite the balance with
how we started this. Like how much like if I
were me, I would't wan to talk about it that
much because I'd want people to be like, this is
the new. But at the same time, it is very
important to you, and you want to make sure that
it hasn't been confused over time totally.
Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
And I think sometimes silence just allows things absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
For sure, Silence gets filled in and it ain't ever
good for the person that's being silent.
Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I'll say this just you know, because I there's just
so many parallels I feel between us and how we
communicate with folks and even our careers in a way.
But I will go places and I will and you
may not feel as much as I do, but I'll
go places and I'm like, I don't like, I don't
want to go on there because everybody hates me. And
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my wife will go, why do you think.
Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
It was?
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Like, because I know I have big opinions and I
know I'm probably in there all like, we hate this guy,
we don't want me. She's like, you know them, No,
but I know how people are. Yeah, right, And she's like,
but you're basing all this off of a couple of instances.
She goes, if you're just going to a random city,
let's say you go to somewhere in Iowa, she goes,
don't put some theater tickets on sale? Do stand up
(01:04:30):
and you'll sell three thousand tickets? Do you think everybody
hates you? Like no, because she goes, why would you
randomly feel that walking into a room and why would
you let that change how you're feeling or acting out?
And she has a great point. But emotionally, you know,
I'm stunted, and I don't know if you feel like
you're when you first came back to Nashville, Like, I
don't know people don't like me or people think the bampit.
(01:04:53):
I've never once heard that about you.
Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Thank you. That means a lot to me.
Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I think coming back in I just didn't know how
people were going to respond. I will say it has
been overwhelming how warm everybody has been and honestly, how
many people both champions the music of my past but
also are like we have been wanting to hear the
solo voice forever, and that has just been such a
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warm welcome both in our town in Nashville, but also
in country music at large and like the fans. That's
been a really really special thing, and I'm incredibly proud
of it, you know, because you just don't know, You don't.
Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Know how people are going to respond.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
And that's back to the thing sometimes, and I think
this happens in life too, right, it's not just our business,
but it's like, really only have a challenge with one
or two people, and it feels bigger than that it's
really not. And so that's the perspective that I have
now that I wish I had had back in those days.
Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Was a lot younger though, right, sometimes you only you learn.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
By living, yeah, perspective, Like we said, you don't earn
it for free. That education costs me more money than
sometimes paying for a freaking college education one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
But it's also wisdom that I love imparting to younger
artists as well, because I think that there are some
land mines that I can help artists navigate around at
this point.
Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
So well, I think people are rooting for you. I
know I'm rooting for you. I like you, I genuinely
like to be around you. Even when we would just
do show stuff, I would be like mak like we
wouldn't hang out or anything, but like Kimberly is cool
because I just like say this, and she'd say that,
and there was just kind of an respect and understanding
and we're just gonna say what we say and that's
just who we are and be that mad or we're
not gonna be that just that's that was just it.
(01:06:36):
So I'm rooting for you like I like you and
I and I just want you to know that because
if I were you, i'd feel everybody hates me because
I feel that way. Yeah, and you may not, but
it's not That's not how it is, thank you, Not
with me, not with like the normal people. I'm not normal, right,
but not with like people that aren't so so so
in the weeds.
Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Right, no, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I think any who is also just approaching it with
completely pure intentions, right, Like, just do I like this
artist music?
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
So do I like her as like a lady. That's
and that feels nice and I do feel that love.
And I think as time goes on, too, I think
the truth always finds its way, and I think I'm
really really proud of the music that the vand Perry
put out, and I believe time is going to be
good to the band Perry, And.
Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I don't think you even again, You're so in it
forced from the trees. I'm ten thousand feet up totally.
I'm not searching for truths. To me, it's just good memories,
that's it.
Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
I think somebody said, yeah, we just we missed their
their cheeky lyrics, and I was like.
Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah, I got more cheek coming from Yeah. Yeah, I'm
super happy for you. I can't wait to see what
this turns into.
Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
And it's never nothing ever turns into anything, but it's
always turning at the same time, and that that's what's exciting.
So I'm rooting for you. You guys, which we mentioned earlier,
Bloom turned into super Bloom, So now you really only
get super Bloom. Why would you get Bloom exactly? Just
stream home and then I don't know what's like next year?
Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Are you touring bus Baby? I can't wait it?
Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Yeah, I mean that's my favorite part of all of this, honestly.
And I was just I've been telling everybody like, if
you put one hundred and eighty shows on the book,
so I'll play one hundred and ninety, you know, like
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
No, the mentality, it's me in trouble.
Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
I know, I know, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
But we'll bring a Johnny'll tour with me, and we'll
bring baby and just take the family on the road.
Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
I'm really used to that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
So good to see. Do your friends call you Kim
or Kimberly or what KP KP got it? Yeah, Well
when I walked in, they said please report it missus Perry.
I was like, all right, my bad, stop it. It
didn't happen, all right, Well, good to see you.
Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
There are some sins of the TVP past that I
don't want to pay for, but I'm happy to give
some context to the roller coaster that became our career.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Wow Episode four twenty six with Kimberly Perry from the
band Perry. So, you know, I wanted to start this
by going, hey, I want to know like your preferred
boundaries and talking about your solo career versus the band.
But also it's an interesting dynamic because the band is
her family. Yeah, And like I wanted to know what
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she wanted because I no referenced that a lot of
people will reference these really long interviews in their research,
which just like we do with other people too, And
so I kind of wanted to say it so they
would know, because the last thing that I ever want
to do with someone is make them so uncomfortable talking
about something they don't want to talk about. I'll definitely
go over there if I feel like it needs to
be addressed, but I don't want to stay somewhere uncomfortable
(01:00):
with So I was like, how much we're talking about
the band? I think Kimberly Perry is awesome, He's great.
I was trying to think about, like why I like
her so much, and I think it's she just feels
like she's not struggling to figure out what to say,
because she's just saying how she feels. A lot of
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artists are a lot of people being interviewed. You're like, Okay,
what would be a good answer to this. She doesn't
really do that. She just says what she feels, and
that feels pretty refreshing. I think that's why. And did
we talk about in this her trainer that the beginning? Yeah? Yeah,
so okay. So she just released a new EP called
super Bloom on October twenty seventh, which is an extension
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of Bloom that came out in June. There's a song
on there called Black Corvette, which I didn't know the
story about till you hear it. It's a great story.
Will you play a clip of the song? And we
do talk about the band Perry, and she says couple
things and I let it go by a little bit,
but then I have to go back to it and
you're like, what did you mean when you said this?
(02:05):
Because my understanding is maybe she thinks everybody has this
idea and feels a certain way because she's so involved.
When I was just like, I don't think everybody feels
this way, but I really enjoyed this talk the band
Perry for example, if I Die Young, here's this one here,
which was massive crossover. Then she did if I Die
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Young too on the super bloom YEP, which is this
so check it out? All right, there you go. Kimberly
Perry really enjoyed it. Episode four to twenty six. Follow
her at the Kimberly Perry on Instagram and TikTok and
enjoy lit Kimberly Perry. It's always weird to do a
formal introduction. We've been talking for fifteen minutes. Hello, Kimbery Perry.
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You just were at the studio of my house, and
I think what's funny is as you've arrived, you saw
your trainer here.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So I thought it was funny too. She did not
think it was funny. I owe her a call. I
just totally blew out workouts last week and I was like,
you know, I'm just early morning.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
What a way to get caught? No, come me to
do an interview. You're a good old friend, Bobby, and
you run into your trainer that you've been avoiding is
here with my wife. I did not know that I
would have hid you, would to squeeze you in through like.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I I thank you. I love her so much.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
But my heart immediately felt convicted and my body felt shamed.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
How has it been the last month or so for you?
How holds a baby?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
So the baby is twelve weeks?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's well, I don't know if you posted the instagram,
you know, whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
The update it was just a few days after he
was So.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That that's crazy. Then that it's that long ago.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean, it's been both the longest and quickest twelve
weeks of my life. You know, I haven't really ever
been around babies ever. I think they're so sweet and
cute and cuddly, but I just had no experience. And
I think Johnny and I were like, I know, our
whole life is going to change. We just didn't know how.
I know now I know.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So can I ask you some questions about not selfishly?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Please, these are all very selfish questions, because we are
at the stage now where we're sort of talk about
having kids. She's not pregnant, No, nobody prent article. She's
not pregnant. I promise that she's not. No she's not
pregnant in any way, but we definitely are having those
conversations now. Yeah, the baby part, the baby baby part
seems awful.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Okay, so every I just want to be transparent. I
need you know, you have people who go like the
newborn phase was not my favorite.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
As a mother. I feel like, I just want to
be honest.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I love him more than anything, and I would give
up any minute of sleep for him to be our baby.
I'm so grateful for that. But it is a challenge.
And we have had kids older, right. I always was like,
it's got to be so hard to have kids in
your early twenties, for sure. A lot of people are
waiting longer. I think it's equally harder older because we
were like so set in our adams and in our schedule.
(05:01):
It's like I can grind all week and then sleep
for hours on Saturday kind of catch up. Don't have
that same option anymore, and I'm loving it. It's like
a science experiment every day.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's so hilarious, because yeah, I bet it is.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, it's crazy. We're really figuring each other out.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
And for me the heart, I'm a communicator, so the
hardest thing for me was like all give and no
receive for the first I don't know, ten weeks, But
then the last two weeks he's like smiling and he's laughing,
and we're doing this thing where we can communicate this
little gurgle sound, and he thinks it's hilarious that we're communicating.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So for me, we're getting into that phase.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Where it's like, Okay, you're giving me just a little
bit of communication back, and so I'm loving that part
of it, but it's a challenge.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Are you all the time exhausted?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yes, And so when we do that, thank god we've
been able to bring in like a night nurse.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I was going to ask if you had help, because
my wife was like, we don't need help, and I'm like, no, no, no, no,
I can actually help now.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So no, dude, let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So the first night that we came home from the hospital,
we were gonna have a night nurse, like three nights
the first week, and then when we had him in
the hospital, I was like, let's just cancel.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
We've got this.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
So we come home the first night and I just thought, like,
you would put a baby down in a bassinette and
he would sleep.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And leave the room and leave the room.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yes, we got a bottle of wine, we ordered some sushi,
and all of a sudden, it's like, you know, ten pm.
I was like, we don't got this. And it was
a really, really wild night. So I texted Am and
Dean with Mama Moon. At like three o'clock in the morning.
I was like, you have to have somebody here tomorrow,
like I need somebody to teach me what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
And so we've had help.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So it wasn't all just naturally maternal.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean I think loving him is. I think like
cuddling him is.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But like understanding how sleep patterns work, I mean it
is science right, Like he his naps are in a
forty five minute rhythm, and then if you want him
to sleep for two sets of forty five, I got
to make sure that he like crosses that gap between
the two. So I got a suit him he can't.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah. Yeah. So are you emotional? Are you intellectually tired
as well? Because you're learning all of this stuff as
well as emotionally and physically, all three hitting you at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I think for me it's more physical. I don't feel
emotionally tired. I do. It's it's definitely physical. Intellectually, I
love to Google, so like I'm in the middle of
the night, I was saying right before we got started,
I'm doing the nine pm to two am shift right now,
So from about like midnight to two am, I'm just
like learning on Google and asking every question that can
(07:35):
pop in my mind. I thrive on information, So that's
been really cool. It's just the physical part of it.
It's just unlike anything I've experienced so far.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Meaning afterward you're just broken down your body or physical
being awake.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
All the time, being awake all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
By the way, this could not even be recorded. I'm
asking selfishly, this is not I Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I think it's a great conversation to have, especially for
the line of work that that we're all in, right,
Like we grind so many hours of the day.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It's just a different kind of grind.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I had just never really experienced like sleep deprivation in
the same way, and so I'm an incredibly patient person.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And then there are these.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Moments on my husband it just has to go like, hey,
this is you tapping out for a minute, right, And
I'm like, you got to take him for the next
couple of hours. We definitely had great teamwork, but the
sleep deprivation I just I just.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Wasn't prepped for at all.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
What was being pregnant like.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I enjoyed it. I mean I wasn't like one of
those women that was like, I love being pregnant. I
can't wait to do it again.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But it was so rewarding for me for a few reasons,
because I think body consciousness in my career has always
been something that was like, Okay, unless you are one
hundred and twenty pounds, like you're not going to win
this award, or you cannot put out a single if
you're ten pounds overweight into a shoot. For like, that
was so in my head that the success of music
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was directly proportionate to what the scale said for me.
And I think that it was an interesting day to
grow up an artistry too, because in one hand, on
one hand, like social media and take everything that is
so raw and let's see all behind the scenes of everything.
Has been a benefit to not have to really like
have everything hinge on perfection. I think it's it's better
(09:15):
that we know our artists behind the scenes these days.
But for me, growing up in the first half of
our career, it felt very much like perfection. I remember
having a somebody at our label called me one time
the first time I showed up at like a radio
show early in the morning. You guys can appreciate at
like five am. I was like, I just can't do
makeup this morning, you know, And then I got a
(09:35):
call about it. It's like, don't ever show up. So
for me, I think being pregnant was getting to be
perfectly imperfect, if that makes sense, And it was sort
of like just embracing this season of womanhood versus I
don't know, just something that I had not gotten to
embrace before, and that was incredibly special for me.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So you kind of like kind of like being pregnant.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I liked the freedom of it.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, that's why I would like to get pregnant. You
should do that because because there's no choice, you're gonna produce,
you have a kid, and it's not like you can't
because there's a pressure. I put a pressure on myself.
I think we all have depending on our career. But
both of us do something that's very visual as well. Yes,
and with the television shows that I do, and people
(10:21):
can laugh, but I have to stay at a certain
fitness level or and it's not to the same standard
as women. I'm not saying that, but I know for
a fact that if I don't look a certain way
there are certain shows it just won't even totally won't
even have the patience to even talk to me about
it totally. And so that if I were to get pregnant,
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which can't happen obviously, but it'd be so cool that
I could be like, I can't do anything about it, guys,
I'm pregnant. Yeah, so I do understand that as I
joke about it, yet you have no choice but to
accept it.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Almost, Yeah, for sure. And it was just a very
freeing thing for me.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And it was also cool to like see people respond
to it with hey, you're building and music at the
same time, and both felt very They're both from the
ground up. Again for me, if people touch you like that,
you didn't know good and I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Like there were some people that would.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Ask permission, and if I knew them, well, I was like, yeah, sure,
Like would you say you believe he's here? But I
have not said nobody has put me in an awkward
position thank God.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
But that's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I don't love it. Yeah, when people come up and
just do the hey, let me thanks uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
See, that's also why I wish I could be pregnant,
because I'd like people to do that to me, touch me,
just randomly, come up, just rub, rub the belly. Do
you feel like I just want to go back to
one of the things you said a second ago, where
you said you went to a radio show in the
morning and just the unfair pressure on artists or women. Yeah,
both and separately at the same time. Do you feel
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like your brothers would get the same call?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I mean, that's a funny way to ask that, because
I think like we all felt different pressures in different ways,
but theirs was not as much physical. I think the
nature of our band though, because we all felt like
perfectionism is something that we had to produce. I do
think they put a lot of pressure on themselves in
the same way that you know you're talking, like we
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got to stay fit, we had a trainer out on
the road. I think everybody liked to look good, right,
Like we all enjoyed that, But I don't feel like
they would have gotten the call from outside the unit.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Really well, hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Where do you stand on the band talking about the
band how it relates to your solo career now? Because
I'm sure you don't want to happen into every interview
and the whole time talk about the ban. I wouldn't
want talk about the band pair the whole time, But like,
what is your what what would your goal be if
you walked into let's say, I guess I made you
(13:02):
want some content, they're talking for twenty minutes, They're gonna
want talk about the BAM Parry because that's how all
of us were introduced to you. What would be your
perfect situation when you walk in time wise, percentage wise?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I mean, I think for me, it's about the first
round of conversation, right, Like I think even when I
got to do your show earlier in the year, I
was like, we're definitely going to talk about TVP because
there are a lot of unanswered questions, not only like
why did we put the band on hiatus? But let's
be honest, like the last handful of years, I mean,
I saw this thing on TikTok that another outlet put
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out and they were like.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Country bands that killed their career, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And it was like kind of a bummer on one
hand because the facts were just wrong. But I noticed that,
like every other hit on that TikTok page that was
like fifteen hundred views and likes, this had like one
point two million.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And I'm just like, I know that people have.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Unanswered questions, and so I want to be patient and
answer those as much as I can. I also, though,
I think it's really important that everybody understands I'm a
new female artist, right. I was grateful to be a
part of that, but I am an artist, amoun Right.
There are some sins of the TVP pass that I
don't want to pay for, and I won't pay for
as a solo artist. But I'm happy to give some
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context to the roller coaster that became our career. Some
things that we could control and other things, a lot
of things that we couldn't.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And I asked that question because, for example, we'll sit
here for an hour and do whatever, and a lot
of people will reference this interview because we'll spend a
lot of time talking about a lot of different things,
and in research for interviews that you'll do with other people,
people will hear this interview. Yeah, And so I asked
that because you're not talking to anyone specifically, but you
can literally say, you know, I don't mind a couple
questions about it, but I freaking don't want to talk
(14:47):
about it for all twenty minutes if we're doing it
twenty minute. So like, really right now in this season
of you, people want to know, But how much until
you get annoyed?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Probably, like, because I understand where I'm at down for
sixty forty sixty towards Kimberly, forty towards TVP.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
For this first round of.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Better than I thought it would be me putting out
mesic I want like ten percent. I'll give you like
two questions and then you can hit one at the end. Yeah.
And I was trying to be respectful of you, even
when you came in the first time and I was like, hey,
I don't know if you want to talk about the
vanmpairry or not, because maybe you don't.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I think context matters, though, I think even making this
project that I made had a lot to do with
bridging the gap between part one of my life part
one of my creative and this part two, and so
to me, I'm like, never want anybody to feel like
there are things that I'm not willing to talk about,
and I guess for that reason again on this first
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round of my solo artistry, I'm down for the sixty
to forty if people want together.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
What was home like as an eight year old for me?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, as an eight year old, well, Neil would have
only been one year old at that point. He was
a very serious baby, so it wasn't too loud around
the house. I though, as the oldest I remember, would
always want to still be performing then, Like I had
the performance bug really really early, and so we have
these home videos of you know, my mom like rocking
(16:07):
Neil and Reed was a little toddler, and I was
just in the background when somebody present me, like present me,
present me, mama.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So, I think I always had to be entertained, but
was always wanting to entertain, Like I was not just
a I could not have been an easy kid, even
at eight years old.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I was just wanting everybody to pay attention to me.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Where do you think that came from? As in where
your parents' performers, or did you have two brothers and
now you needed to fight for attention because you had babies.
Where do you think it came from.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I think there's always some of that with the older kid,
for sure. I think I definitely was used to all
the attention. My grandparents were extremely involved in my earliest years.
My aunt and uncle kind of took a village to
raise me in the beginning, and so I feel like
I was just used to a lot of attention. And
then I think, also it's my nature, Like I do
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think that people have a destiny, and I think we are.
I think you're born to do exactly what you're doing.
I think I'm born to do exactly what I'm doing.
And I think those things show themselves very early. In fact,
we even talk with Win, I'm like, I just can't
wait to see, like, what are his earliest signs of,
like the thing that he loves, that he's naturally so
gifted at.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Gurgling to be a professional.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Gurgl an Olympic yes, gurgler. And for me, I think
those were just early signs of what I was meant
to do.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So forgive me for not knowing your parents situation were
your parents there, were they alive? Yes, Okay, you said
aunt uncle, because my grandma raised my mom was out
for a lot of my life. I didn't know my dad,
So everybody's situation is different. So I don't want to
be insensitive. So you say a village, everybody lived close
to each other.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah. So I grew up in Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
We were in Madison, Mississippi's and my grandparents actually moved
from Texas to.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Be closer to all of us.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
My dad's parents lived on the Gulf Coast, so they
were just a couple hours away. But it was really
the maternal side that was really involved. I think my
mom and her sister want to kids to grow up
together and have cousins, and we were just incredibly incredibly close.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Were they musical at all? Your parents aunts Grandma's Like, hell.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
No, I mean everybody asked this.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
My mom was really good at piano, and I think
my dad loved music, but neither one of them like
to the level that we pursued. I think it was
something they were really excited that I got into really young.
I tested, I think when I was in fifth grade,
tested in like the top percent and the music aptitude test,
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and that was the moment that they were like, I'm sorry,
we have a musician in our house. And they really
started to do everything to facilitate that for me from
that age, and I think Red and Neil as they
got older, that looked like a really like a blast
to be able to play music.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Do you think they would have wanted to do music
if you hadn't.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's a great question. I think. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
We were following in life generally. Yeah, we're following some
sort of lead in someplace, their older sister who they
think is cool at least at some point, right, and
she's singing, and you know, would they have wanted to
follow that up if you weren't, if you just were like,
I hate music. You know what I'm gonna go. I'm
going to go with the engineer.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I think being the oldest, I definitely think that that
had a lot of influence on the path that the
family took.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I do. I think my brothers are also really gifted
it so.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Much so I'm curious to see what happens from this point.
You know, Neil is an incredible photographer. He loves music,
but he's kind of like an artist three sixty artists,
if you will. So I'm wondering how all that will coincide.
And then the same thing for Reid, Like Reid has
a brain that works like a scientist. He is a
food scientist. So I'm like, when can I come to
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your Michelin three star restaurant?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I can't wait? And he, I would say, brought a
lot of the taste and.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
The aesthetic to the band meeting, both like the sounds
of the records, but also a lot of the visual.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
He was kind of like our bar when it came
to that.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So they're so gifted in a lot of similar ways
to me, but also vastly different. So as their sister,
I'm just curious to see, like how all of that
will play out.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
For all of us when you turn twelve, thirteen, fourteen
years old? Are you the musical kid in seventh eighth grade?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Are you the the clarinet player?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So they know you? Your classmates know you love music? Yes?
And do you have class Were you homeschool or did you.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Guys know I was. I was in Poe's school.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Okay, so your classmates you're the music person, But what
did you think was like at the ceiling for music.
Because I'm from a small town in Arkansas. There was
no doing this where I come from. It wasn't that
I dreamed of. Because I saw it, I thought I
could do it. Yeah. So but what was the ceiling
in Jackson, Mississippi to you musically or was it just
not music? It was just like you're doing for a fun.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
At the time.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
No, I think the ceiling was very, very tall because
I was like obsessed with going to shows, even at
nine years old. The first gift that I was ever
given with music was tickets to the New Kids on
the Black Show, and it was at this stadium, and
I was the kid that thought, you know, they were
going to pick out one girl in the audience to
come on stage so Jordan Knight could like sing to
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her with his shirt blowing, you know, with the fan,
and I was just I knew it was going to
be me. It never dawned on me that it wouldn't
be on the stage, and so he didn't choose me.
So I left early, like even before Hanging Tough, I
was out of there. And so I think I always
had this sense of like my parents exposed me to
big stages as a fan really early on, and I
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think while maybe not like in sixth grade when I
started playing clarinet in band, I don't know at that
point that the dream was as big as that new
kid's on the block stage. But I also never probably
questioned whether or not I could be on a big stage,
if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
How did you have confidence? Where did that come from?
Because you feel like a confident kid at least in
that capacity, like who gave you?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I just didn't know better?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Probably, like I mean, I went, I was bullied considerably
in eighth grade four I don't know it was other
girls at the school, and my parents actually had to
take me out halfway in the middle of my eighth
grade year because these girls, like they just proper tried
to jump me after class one day, and I think
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some guy had said that I had said something really
bad about this girl that I didn't say, and I
just like was very confused by the whole thing. So
I would say pre eighth grade I didn't struggle with
confidence at all. I think after my eighth grade year
that was my first taste of like somebody doesn't like me,
you know, or this whole place is kind of against me.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
In this way.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I had never felt that before, And looking back now,
I remember when they took me out for the second
half of the year, like I couldn't stay awake during
the day, and now I was like, oh, I was
like depressed. You know, I didn't know that then, but
I kind of had to regain confidence at certain pivotal
moments in my life. And that was the first one
in my adult life. It would have been post divorce,
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and so what sometimes had come naturally to me confidence hope,
I had to regain those pieces at certain moments in life.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I'm sorry that happened to you in eighth grade. That's TRUEY,
that sucks. Yeah, I'm gonna sorry that happen to you.
So here you are, You're I just with me. These
cycles of the same things have happened over and over
in my life to where you say, you know, these
these girls in eighth grade affected you, and it affected
you later in different ways. It I mean it has
for me too, write like did it get hard again
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when you guys achieved a certain amount of success and
you could actually start to see the feedback that wasn't good?
Did it feel the same at the like almost like that,
like at its core, like because sometimes people will talk
bad about me, don't feel like I'm being beat up
again in fifth grade. Yeah, just first, it just feels
like the same. Did it feel like that at all?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, it was like, especially when social media really became
a thing. I would always tell my brothers Neil was
just like thick skin could read anything about us, positive
or negative and be fine any negative comment if there
were two hundred positives and one bad. I just really
struggled with it, and I think it was I think
it was triggering back to that earliest feeling of almost doom.
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Like it felt like a very like doom mom, like
everything's going to fall apart, everything's going to end based
on this one comment.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I think I have a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
More of a thick skin now, but only because I've
arrived back to a place of confidence in the last
couple of years, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
But yeah, I would feel those ways about it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I was like, you just can't tell me about it,
because if I know it exists, it will not get
out of my head for the days.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, I would. I would have a spiral at times.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, it's it's it's hard and it again, I don't
know if you fall this way, it didn't matter how
many positives were there, and they were overwhelming, and.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You would find the onegative, the one.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And I just I couldn't and I had one. I
put out this song embarrassingly god hotlia, I'm wearing the
merch today. But I put it out last week and
there was so many wonderful comments on my Instagram, and
there was this one woman who just like it clearly
was not about my version of Holly, you know, like
the hatred, and I was just like, you know what,
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I don't even feel this bless her. I was like,
what's going on in her life? She's having a bad day.
And I was like, Okay, this feels nice to be
at this, like very arrived moment. I don't want to
welcome nobody tests me in this, like, don't fill up
the comments, you know, with a million things, just all
pay attention to it.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
But it felt nice to go like this just doesn't hurt.
I don't feel this. This is not about me.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And probably because you have through an education, which is
hard to do. If it's hard to get an education,
and perspective is only gained because you've had to go
through crap to get it. Yeah, it is that you
can at times filter out what matters and what doesn't,
and sometimes the stuff that doesn't still gets me. Right,
But for the most part, same yeah, right, Like I've
focused enough on stuff that doesn't matter that now I
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can kind of see it coming and I can sometimes
stop the spiral. Right, I still get there at times,
or if I'm just in a weird place or a
bad place and it hits me just right, You're right,
I wish we value we. I won't insert you in me.
I wish I valued because I do value them, but
I wish I valued at the same level the positive things.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's hard for me to let that in sometimes, and
I don't know why that is either.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It's almost like.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I never yet, I never let that impact me in
the same way as negativity, and I don't love that
about myself.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I want to let it.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
We just treated it the same. Well, yeah, we're not
even you and I both aren't saying here. We wish
that we valued the positive comments more one to one.
If you just valued it the same total, we would
still come out of winner. Because I feel like, for
the most part, people like me, right, some people don't.
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But I also don't like everybody, so I shouldn't expect
everybody to like me, right exactly. Now, this is adult
perspective that's kind of creeping in on the unhealthy thoughts
that I've always had. But if we just valued it
the same, like says some nice masa's some negative. Okay,
well those two are the same. Let's just remove those
all together. We're even I would just be in the positives.
But I still still struggle with that sometimes too, especially
when it's something that's not true. And for me, getting
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married has been a great help because my wife is
not in this industry in any way whatsoever. Does not
like it. She doesn't hate it, but she's not drawn
to it at all. Actually, she's been drawn less to
it being in it because she's like, oh, I don't
like being public. People are mean to her for no reason,
so it makes her go. It's not for me because
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I haven't done anything to expose myself to get the
sort of criticism. Like she'll say, I'm not you. I'm
not trying to create a career where you do have
this happen to you. People will have opinions. I just
exist in People come to me, and so it's made
her not enjoy it more than she already wasn't enjoying it. Sure,
but it's also been great for me because I can
be with someone who is sitting in this this tornado
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of entertainment. If it's TV radio.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Means whatever it is to be really grounding year I
know it is for me.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's what I was going to lead to. So now
when you go home is you are very involved, for
you have been for a long time in Nashville and
music as big as it gets. Can you go home
and since you have someone that's not fully in it,
not be in it for a bit?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
And when I met Johnny, we met down in Dallas
during COVID because it did not exist in Texas. And
so the first day that we all hung out, it
was with a group of people and we all wound
up at this thrift shop and it just so happened
that there was a TVP shirt at the thrift shop,
which I was super offended by. I was like, who's getting.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Rid of this gold?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
That's hilarious, it's really good.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And so he got the shirt and he had no
context for anything that I had ever done in music,
like if I Die young, it's not a song that
was on his radar. His taste in music live very.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Very esoteric like, and it was nice to kind of
just have I don't know, the first person to accept
me just like one hundred percent for me, and to
know that there was so much purity in that and
like he thought I was hilarious just based on my
sense of humor.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It wasn't like I'm gonna live at your jokes so
I can try to like score another day.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It just felt wholly accepted.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And so he still just he understands our world more
now just because he's gotten a up close, you know,
view of it.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But he doesn't care. He just doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And that helps me also not care about certain things
that I would typically obsess over and spin out over.
And it's just been nice to be like, hey, I'm
building from the ground up again, you know, grateful for
the TVP foundation. I would say, there aren't a million
favors that are coming towards my artistry because of that,
which I'm totally down for. So we're in some respects
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our family is grinding all over again. But it's been
nice to have his stability to sort of separate from
the way the grind felt the f time it was
full on twenty four to seven four years, you know,
it's consumed.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Consumed, So the parallel is hilarious. So my wife I
would same, right. She usually she had went back to
get her graduate degree. She was living in California. She
didn't listen to the show. She didn't any think about
and her friend, we had a mutual friend that's from Oklahoma,
where she's from. It's like, hey, you two should be
you know whatever. It was also an organic meat. Everything
(30:25):
about it was what it shouldn't have been, which was
organic because now just a lot of stuff's not organic
now or maybe that is organic now. But to how
you know, I grew up, how we grew up, And
so I would balance unhealthily balanced myself because I'd be like,
how does she not know I've done this stuff? She
should like be like in awe that I But then
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I was so happy she it was like I would
never let myself be fully happy because I was. I
loved it. She couldn't give a crap about it. But
then I was kind of like but like no, a
little bit, like gass me up a little bit because
of like my achievements.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I feel that. And so it's been a high wire
that I've my ego has had to walk a little
bit because there are time and she'll tell me, she'll go, hey,
would you please let me know when something's a big
deal right right? Because I won't sometimes and I'll get
my feelings hurt when she doesn't acknowledge it, and she's like,
I don't live in this space. And she's very mature,
(31:21):
way more mature than I am emotionally. Yeah, she's like,
I need you to let me know when something's a
big deal because I don't. I don't know. And so
that's what that's our communication in this world of entertainment.
Love that Like if I get a show, a TV
show and it's like I don't really care, not that
I don't care, but it's not the big deal. I'll
be like, not the big deal. But sometimes they like
(31:42):
you need to throw me at dinner right like this
is like this is made. But that is a mature
part of our relationship. Now, how did that go with you? Guys? Again,
she's learned a lot about it, but she didn't at first.
Was there like an elementary class you had to teach
him on things that are entertainment.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
For me, where it comes up or came up earlier.
You know, our relationship would be like if he was
always surprised if I was recognized somewhere, He's like, I'm sorry, wait,
how does that person know you?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
And I was just like, you should just do a
deep dive.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You know, like I, I'm not really a person that
ever felt like a star or like a celebrity. Really,
we were so inside our bubble of just grinding that
I don't know that there were many times that we
just sort of sat and enjoyed that side of it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Do you regret not enjoying that side of it? Or
do you think that actually allowed you to succeed more
because you didn't.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yes, and no, I wish that I had felt the
fruit of the labor a little bit better, Like I
think that would have felt nice. I do think it
helped us grind, But I also think it made us
not compromise in certain moments that we should have to
keep our career trajectory a little more stable. Like I
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feel like if I understand stood from the outside looking
in or looking at us, how much there were parts
of CVP that were so revered despite what was happening
like behind the Curtain, which was really complex at that
time professionally with the people we were working with, I
would have gone, let's protect this and figure out how
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to navigate what's happening the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain.
Let's figure that out to really protect and guard what
we have here. So for that reason, I wish I
had understood it a little bit better.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Want to jump way ahead, but I do want to
come back, and I'm going to plead ignorance to a
couple of things a second, But I do want to
talk about now because it was it Did you give
it a certain amount of time or was it just
a feeling where it's like, I'm going, I'm giving it
a run again and by myself, and I know what's
going to happen when I go back. Everybody's gonna want
to be like, oh, I love you, or why are
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you back? Or I didn't love you, you know, because
it's not like you're just a new artist. You're a
new artist. You're a new artist that people already have
some sort of relationship with. Right, So was it strategic
to come back after a certain amount of time or
was it just a feeling inside and you're like, let's
just go.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I think it was a feeling that I had more
to say, you know, it was really it's a difficult
path to feel like irrelevant and then you're irrelevant And
that's not even the ego side of it, Like, that's
the artistic side of it. For me, for my songs
to be heard and be being sung and irrelevant and
then to not have the art respected in that way
(34:41):
or even heard right even given the shot, that was
what really drove me to go, like, no, I'm not
trying to book a year of TVP shows at this
amount and just fade off into the sunset, like I
want to be part of the future, not just the past.
And I understood what that meant, but like start from
the bottom again, and there's a grind that comes with that.
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But for me, it was about the relevance of the
songs and the art being modern and being future oriented
and not just past oriented.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Did you have a certain piece of creative content that
could be a song, that could be a poem or
whatever that made you go, oh god, I don't want
to just be that person that everybody knows me for
like I want to be my own. Was it based
on anything that was kind of a trigger point for
you or did you just always know when you were
just kind of at one point, I'm gonna get back in.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I spent a lot of time during COVID writing songs
by myself, with my acoustic guitar and by nature. I'm
a folk writer, like If I Die Young is a
folk song, right. Obviously a country has its American roots music,
there's folk, we got rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
There's a lot that goes into the body of country music.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
And so I've always felt like my songwriting fit best
in this genre. But during COVID, I had not reconnected
with just myself as a songwriter without anybody else in
the room in a while.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Why did you do that, though? Why did you reconnect?
Like what led tod that, what triggered that to go?
I need to reconnect with myself.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Just the stillness of COVID, like the stillness of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
And we had come back home from the West Coast
because read Me and I lived out there for several
years and came back to our farm in East Tennessee,
and it was just like, I have nothing to do
every day but write songs during the day and drink margarite.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Isn't watch The Bachelor at night like that with my COVID.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
And I was also in a really kind of lonely
place there, like I had not met my husband yet
and really wanted love and my own family.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
I wanted that to develop in my life.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And so that body of work and those songs that
I wrote, I would never release now because it doesn't
feel like where my spirit is I'm in a much
happier and healthier place. But then that's some bolt of
writing in that way, and the transparency of the lyrics
that I was like, whoa, I've arrived at this new
place of just song craft for me myself and I
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that inspired me to like, let's get back home, let's
get back to Nashville, let's get back to country music,
and let's see if I can bring what I love
about this vulnerable writing forward with me and maybe that's
the future of my voice.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Did you have to build the confidence back up?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I had to build confidence back up on the heels
of a divorce.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I went through a divorce personally, personally, Yeah, hope, was
always super easy for me to find.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
I didn't like lose it that much.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
But coming back and getting back on my feet after
that and everything that that just does to your self confidence.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
It doesn't to anybody who's walked through it. You know
that took a minute to rebuild.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
What do you mean, I've been through a divorce. Hopefully
I didn't get back to I was forty, So yeah,
I waited a long time, never thought I was gonna
get married. Yeah. I never really wanted to get married
until I met my wife. Yeah, and so I'm gonna again.
I'm asking these questions not because I want anyone to
be like, Oh, look at the I'm generally curious, and
I feel like you and I can talk openly and
for sure what happens? What do you you just do
you feel like you didn't?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I think the exposure feels right because you just, whether
it's to their friends or their family or the public
at large, like you're sharing every moment with this person
who knows you for better, for worse, and then all
of a sudden, it's like the person you're the most
terrified of because they have all the AMMO of your life.
(38:19):
You know it wasn't even about like public exposure. It
was just like, Okay, now I'm sort of in opposition
to this. That felt very disorienting to me because in
my family when I grew up, you know, it felt
like a really safe environment and even if like you know,
it all hit the fan or somebody was going through
a moment, like you protect that information, You protect that
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person until they get on the other side of it,
and all of a sudden, I was just that was
just a really like a dittle crazy thing to my minds.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
You talking about that. I was with my therapist, was
in therapy a couple days ago. You go to therapy
at all, you have definitely, so I was. For me,
it's been an adjustment being to be someone safe. Yeah,
my whole life didn't have family, didn't have safety. My
wife is extremely safe. Yeah, but it's so foreign that
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it doesn't feel safe because it's it's so new. And
I was my therapist was like what he asked me,
He said, where do you feel safe? Just generally, where
have you ever felt safe in your life? Where do
you feel safe now? Period thought about it for a
long time, and I said, you know, I feel like
now I don't have to worry about paying bills anymore.
I feel safe there, and he was like, but what
(39:31):
about your wife? I said, you know that that's the
safest I know with my mind, that's the safest thing.
But when we get in a fight, I'm still like,
is she gonna leave? And his whole thing to me was,
you know, you've developed differently and slower and in some
ways much faster. But when you talk about safety, I
can see how that would be such a difference for you,
(39:53):
because both of us have had safety and it's been
unsafe at the same different places. So it's a shock
other happens, it's a.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Shock to your system. And for me too, it was
not only you know, just like the exposure of somebody
who knows you and can almost like just reject everything
that that was. I was like, but why what did
I do wrong?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Like?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
What was I not enough?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
It just really almost I think every other bit of
criticism had come from the outside towards me at that point,
you know, it's like career criticism, whatever. But that was
the first time that the critique was like in my
heart and I just hadn't felt that way before. And
I don't know, maybe he had certain feelings of that
(40:37):
as well in the end, but that was just it
was a moment in time that I had to sort
of like start to do things on purpose. Let's figure
out what to put hope in and how to like
muster hope on purpose.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Let's do that with our confidence.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Let's do the work, Let's go to therapy, Let's work
ourselves from the inside out again and rebuild. And ultimately
I'm grateful that it all happened because now I don't
do anything on accident, Like I'm not standing on my
own two feet because I've never been sort of blown
by a strong winds. You know, they were just like
planted here because I've done the work to know that
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they're firm.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Now.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Is there an appreciation for safety now because you had
it before and then didn't have it, but now you
understand how valuable it is?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Absolutely? And I found that in my marriage as well.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
We were raised very much believing and that marriage is forever,
and that when we said I do and we elope
to Vegas at midnight after eight months, you know, it
was like this is us deep diving forever. And I
think we both approach our marriage like that every single day.
And you have to write because a lot of crazy
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stuff has even happened the last couple of years that
we've already walked through as a couple. And it's the security,
though of walking through with somebody who's not just gonna
like leave or it's gonna feel.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Too much for He'll never get to that point. He
has really strong emotional shoulders, you know, really yeah, and
he helps me shoulder all the things and vice versa.
He's had a lot of the inception of his life,
had some really crazy experiences. And the first weekend we
hung out, we just shared all that with each other
and I was like, this is my person, this is
the safe spot.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
He is one of the writers on Black Corvette. He is, Yeah,
how what when?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
So we started Black Corvette actually had our honeymoon. We
honeymooned in Palm Springs for a month and we did
it a month.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, it was really really fun.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
But we did it in like August of twenty twenty
one and heat wave, like I mean, I think the
heat index was like one hundred and fifteen. It was
so hot the ac went out at our airbnb. It
was just like amazing. We just stayed the poll all day,
drank Palomas all day. It was so much fun. But
we had some guitars out there, and I really wanted
to tell the story of kind of like the black
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Corvette is our spirit animal, because when we decided to
a lobe, it was a very spur of the moment.
We were in LA and we wanted to drive to Vegas.
But I was like, we got to put some white
tests in here. If this is the right thing to do,
Like if somebody will let us rent a black Corvette
and drive it from LA to Vegas and we can
do it today, then this is meant to be today.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
If not, we cannot go.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Get that That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, And so like the first guy that we called
my name dropped and he was a fan of the band.
He's like, I trust you to take my car, and
so they let us ticket on a road trip to
Vegas in back.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
So you found a black Corvette we did first call.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
We made and I was like okay, and then everything
like we didn't have an efficient and the Little White
Wedding Chapel was closed early. They closed like eight PM.
We weren't going to make it till ten. So I
was like, man, I don't know I guess we just
like start taking off from this corvette and the pieces
will fall in place. And so I just googled like
twenty four hour efficient and there was this woman who
went to Vanderbilt got her divinity degree. There worked Glenn
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Campbell's Gennell on my mind when it was a radio single,
which is like the song that we got our Grammy
for for re recording, and she and her husband who
looked just like Chris Christopherson showed up and married us
at midnight where we were.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
At the wind We just got a hotel room.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
And the black thing blows my mind. That that you
guys like if we can find and you found a
black court.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yeah, so every time we see one now it's like
pay attention. We're either on the wave or something is
coming to us, like we need to pay attention.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Do you guys own one? Not yet?
Speaker 3 (44:27):
And now we have a baby.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I'm like, okay, I guess we can use this for
date night with the whole two seats, but we don't yet.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
You're only three months into having a baby, and so
again your life has shifted and you've had to modify
in ways that you don't even understand. You're going to
always have to do it. I'm told what do I
know about?
Speaker 3 (44:45):
I'm told too, I don't know yet, but I believe them.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
And what I like about having this conversation with you
is how you let it. You're like, oh, I was
never around babies me either, So do you guys it's
only three months. It's an almost unfair question. Are you
guys trying to prioritize still trying to have an identity
as a couple not just a couple of parents. Oh?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yes, we talked a lot about that even before we
got pregnant, because it was like, and I think that's
also an important thing for a kid to observe, you know,
as we grow in our couple. I want our kids
to always see us, says yes, mom and dad. But
also like, hey, look at this marriage. I want that
for myself, Like I want to set a great example
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for what he eventually will look for in his life.
And I already even now like pray, like, you know, God,
let his wife, whoever she may be today, just let
her have a happy morning. You know. I believe in partnership,
the security of it, like we've talked about, but also
like I think great, great things are born from that,
and I want our kids to have every bit of
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confidence in his home so that he can inject that
confidence into his heart and let that flow from there.
So yeah, we definitely have like found the right folks
to come in who are so sweet and love with
as much as we do.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
For the five hours that mom and Dad made like a.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Night, was it hard on the first time?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
It was, although the night nurse was the first and
we were so sleep deprived. I was like, thank you,
thank you, and he was crying. I was like, I'm
so sorry to hand him to you like this, but
thank you for being here. So it just felt like
a blessing. I think we would get a little bit
of sleep that night.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Did you think you would cut Black Corvette when you wrote it?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
So the funny thing, I mean yes and no, Like
I loved it, and then the Bloom Project and Super
Bloom happened in two sessions, and so we cut Black
Corvette in the first session but did not put it
out until Super Bloom.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
So it's not that I didn't even love it.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
It didn't feel like it fit into the first five
and I think it was just like the part of.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
The narrative was kind of like not there for me yet,
but it felt like it had to be a part
of this super Bloom moment.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Like before we move on and before I tell any
more of the story, whenever I'm going to say next,
it had to We had to tell that part of
our nror.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
We mentioned before you and I started we were recording,
we were talking about Bloom the summer it came out.
Super Bloom came out into of October was a couple
of weeks ago, and it was five and now it's nine.
It's like it's a deluxeype that it mean.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
It's basically all the kids are putting out the DELX right,
it's as super deluxe.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
They can't get an more deluxe to this. But again,
with your music and you returning, did you feel like, Okay,
the songs they need to be good, but also the
message of the story has Would you have just put
out great songs that meant nothing.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
I don't think I can do it. I don't think
I could even do that with TVP And that became
some of the struggle, to be honest, like, I feel
like in some respects our whole career hinged on.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
There's like BC and AD was that song Chainsaw.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
You know, like both with our relationships behind the scenes
but also the public.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
I was just like I could not wrap my head.
I love the writers.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I think it's a great song, I did not think
it was our song, and I really really struggled with
having to make that like the single that was growing
our because it just didn't feel authentic to me.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
And I feel that.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Way about my music, like I have to be able
to emotionally connect with it or feel like it's something
I would have said, like better dig too, not an
authentic part of my story. At that time, I was
being a storyteller, but it was a story that I
loved to tell. So that's kind of how I feel
about my own music. I needed Bloom and Super Bloom
to be probably the most highly narrative of what I
(48:24):
will put out in my career as a solo artist.
I think I put so much pressure on that was
like a bar for me. I have to have lived
every word in these nine songs. I think that can
loose them up in the future, Like if I want
to do a breakup song and I'm not actually breaking
out my husband, I'm down to do that because that's
a story that I and a character that I love
to tell.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
But this project had to be every word a truth.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
I thought that might be the case because again, you
only have a first time to have a first time, Yeah,
except you get it second first time, which is even
more rare. Yeah, so you kind of to be very
direct and deliberate about what your narrative is.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Even looking at some of the writers that you wrote with,
like we're friends with Sasha, Sloan and Henry, like there,
I love them. There's awesome. Now, I've never done anything creative.
We hang we hang out, or Henry and I will
play golf or whatever. So I don't know them in
that capacity. I just know as people. I can enjoy
their work if I'm just consuming it. But when you're
(49:25):
writing with Sasha and Jimmy's been here before, I know
Jimmy Robins. You know you guys. What song did you
guys do together? There's one burn that's the one you
guys you three wrote together. Okay, to work? What is
it like to work with her? Because she like you,
You kind of know what you get pretty quick, and
you also will decide do I like it? Right? You
(49:46):
two are very similar in that way.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
What what's it like to write with Sa We've written
several times now. The first write was burn the House Down,
and I just loved her because like, what you see
is what you get, and I'm not like a highly
emotional I'm highly emotional. I don't think I'm like like,
for instance, on Christmas morning, I could get everything that
(50:11):
I wanted as a kid, and I wouldn't get like
over the top excited about it, you know. I was
just like, cool, this was really nice. I feel like
Sasha is very much wired in the same way, like
our temperaments are very compatible.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
In the writing room.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
The day that we wrote burn the House Down, I'd
had some stuff going down that day, and so I
just kind of started the session with like, here was
my morning, you know, And then I think she was like,
here was my morning. And Jimmy was like, how about
we say it like this, you know, to Rish and
the ashes, you got to burn the house down? And
it was just this perfect blend of like feeling safe
in a space to be vulnerable with what was actually happening,
(50:48):
and also her sense of melody and the way that
she has her little dark tinge and the way that
she likes to write things I totally resonate with. It
just really felt very meant to be and it was
really quick. Right, we work well together.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I'm such a fan of her work. I like her
as a person, But I can definitely separate the two, yeah,
because I don't ever work with her. I'm such a
fan of her, her work and her writing and her
amazing And it's just like, you know what you're getting.
Even musically, you just know who you're getting. You listen
to a song and a half, it don't matter if
it's and most of them are not up tempo, but
you did you know who that is. But I feel
(51:24):
the same way with you a bit with even with
this project, and the first track on it is you
Bulls Gold, which is basically tell me if I'm wrong here,
referencing you guys trying something else that maybe you shouldn't have,
Like when you guys are in the Vamp Perry, I.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Wist initially trying something we shouldn't have. I'm always down
for people to the.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Word that's what that was the result got it okay, right.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
So I'm like, I'm always down for the the expiration.
I'm a type of person like if I have a
question I have to have an answer to it. I
can't really take somebody else's word for it always. Maybe
I wish I could, And I think it was incredibly
important in some respects that we took the steps that
we did, but I definitely thought the outcome would be different,
(52:08):
and so for me it ended up like, oh, I
was chasing this thing.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Was because somebody told you it would be different? Did
you find Fool's goal? To me is like you're chasing
something because somebody says there's goldennmbdar hills and you get there.
There are no hills or goal.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
I think it was more everybody saying, hey, you've been
successful in this space, You're going to be successful in
this space. There is a plan that has to be
executed to go from this space to this space, and
I don't think that we had at that time the
team to really help us make that real. But I
also think that by nature, I'll speak for myself, I'm
(52:41):
more built to be a country singer songwriter than a
pop artist. That's what I resonate with, That's how I communicate.
But I think there was this part of me it's like, well,
we can do this, we can do this. We love
everything so we can do everything, like I'm a fan
of if You Crossed Over accidentally with If I Die Young, Yes,
And I think that getting that early taste is honestly
(53:02):
all we wanted to do over and over again. For
a lot of reasons, that path on other songs was
cut short for us, and I just really wanted to
get back to the full run, like let the song
go to number one at country radio and then if
the world wants to hear it, then let's go do
(53:22):
that run.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
And then that's going to take us internationally.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
We love to tour over in Europe, you know, so
that's for the career arc. I just wanted to keep
seeing that up always starting in country music and rooted here.
But I don't know, I just felt like when the business,
I hate it when the business gets in the way
of like the creative, you know, But that definitely in
(53:45):
that moment got in the way of what was happening creatively,
and so I guess it was like sort of found
ourselves in no man's plans and that was really really
like a challenge. But ultimately I'm baked as a country artist.
It's what I do, it's what I love, it's what
I'm good at.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
I don't even think anybody questions I don't know how
you feel, because you see what remarks from everybody all
the time, right yeah, anybody that I know, even not
super in the business. No one has ever come to
me and said, Kimber's full of craps back in country
because she had to be backing country. Nobody says that.
I don't feel like you have to like prove yourself
as a country art. Do you feel like the country?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
No. I think it's more like I have to answer
why we ever stepped forward out of that in the
first place, and our intention.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
That story has gotten so I don't even know this
wor over the well. I think there were a lot of.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Voices that were like they just left country in the dust,
they didn't care, and that was not that was not true. Well,
like the article I was saying earlier on the TikTok,
it was like they just decided to do this thing
and they just had telled it out here. It's like, well,
first of all, it's not what happens. I know that
that's the story that got told on our behalf in
a season where like, for a million reasons, we just
(54:56):
couldn't really tell the real story of what was happening,
and that sad to me because that was never our intention.
So I think I feel the needs sometimes to defend
why we stepped forward in the first place, but also
to own that at the same time. Is like defend
it and own it, you know. Yeah, And that was
(55:18):
what fools Gold was for me. Like, let me say this,
it was not everything that I was hoping it would be,
but it's also nice to come back and like feel
rooted again. And I think people give me the benefit
of the doubt, and my intentions are pure, and I
have felt the warm welcome.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
I agree with country music. I think they do, even
without you around, give you the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, and that means a lot to me because that's
not something that I just assume somebody should offer.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
I agree, and I don't think everybody does. I think
most people do, and the people that don't probably because
they have a relationship that with you or your people
or And I don't know this firsthand because I don't
know that I was here, but I don't I just
never got round. I don't know the story. Yeah, all
I know is I was I'll get that second, I
have one more song. I want to ask in your
project one more thing monsters, which is the parentheses wits
(56:05):
Lala my song. I got like four more questions. But
so is that a song that you'll play him? Or
was it just kind of inspired by what like what
tell me witsla? Why?
Speaker 1 (56:19):
So I found out I was pregnant, and for whatever reason,
I was just like, I kind of have to write
lyrics and melody at the same time, Like I can't
just go like, oh, this is a really lovely melody.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
What's it saying to me? Like the words? I just
will just jam and have my like the voice notes
on my phone.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
And for whatever reason, I started to sing that thing
about ain't no monsters under the bed, no history hanging
over my head. It's something that I felt for myself
in that moment, both from just like the entire history
of my life. I feel like I was at this place.
I was like, I'm not scared anymore. I'm not scared
to be me. I'm not scared for people to know
exactly what that is. I do feel a regained sense
(56:58):
of confidence and maybe even a confidence I have never
experienced before. And then I found out I was pregnant
around the same time, and it was like, I loved
the idea of getting the pieces in your life organized
and cleaning out the clutter in your closet to be
able to make space for like another person to come in,
whether that's a relationship, whether in my story that was
(57:20):
for our son to get to come in and go like, hey,
you've got a clean slate here to make this planet
anything that you want it to be. As much as
I can and as much therapy as I've done, I
want to give him like the opportunity for it it
to not have a mountain to climb before he's even
started to crawl, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (57:39):
So that's what monsters meant to me.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
And it also felt like this point of arrival, I
felt like I was singing that to myself as well,
like it's my truth and my lullaby, and I wanted
to offer that to our son.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, that's pretty cool. Kind of wondered, Wow, I would
record it, or if you recorded it for the reason
of I'm always going to play it for him. But
now that you say that, I understood that the context
is great.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah, Like there was a moment I was like, do
it is this the offering, Hey, lay your head here
on my shoulder, or is it there ain't no monsters
under my bed? I lay here on my pillow, Like
is it the self confidence statement or is that offering?
Speaker 3 (58:19):
And it kind of feels like both.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
You know, Okay, I got like three questions left, and
I'm gonna get plead ignorance. This is what I know,
because I don't when you're like people hold us accountable,
I don't know what you're talking about. And I just
kind of nodded along, like yeah, of course, yeah, because
that whatever that is, I don't know it. The only
thing that I remember is and I don't know who
who your management is now, but I'm at Red Light
(58:44):
and I know you guys were there and they were like, yeah,
the vampire is leaving Red Light. I was like okay,
and that was it. That's all I ever knew. And
then I saw on Instagram at like wait, maybe yellow
black or yellow again. I don't even.
Speaker 3 (58:56):
Remember, but in the color of the moment, like the
live forever moment.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Maybe don't remember, but that's all I remember. But to me,
I never felt any sort of they you're terrible, they suck.
They left, But I'm not in the space that you're in.
What do you think was the unfair narrative and why
do you think that was it?
Speaker 3 (59:17):
Well, let me say it this way.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
I'm just con I feel like sometimes when and I
feel like I see this sometimes from other artists who
have stepped out of the space, you feel like you're
fighting with everybody when there's a challenge going on, like
behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Like a record label.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah got it, okay, you feel like you're fighting a
genre for your identity and like to grow and to
be rooted here, but also like explore and get to expand. Now,
in hindsight, I go I was only fighting like a
couple of people for that identity and for that control.
It was not country music. And the part of the
(59:56):
story that's gotten very lost is that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
We were not trying to leave the format.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
When we left our first label Home, our intention was
not to just go sign above You in LA, right.
We wanted to stay rooted in country, which is why
we did the deal at Yung Here. And we also
had a parent company, which was Innerscope in LA And
that's the same situation that we had been in from
the beginning. When If I die young crossed over to
(01:00:23):
pop radio, and so I think all of a sudden
what happened was country radio, which was so incredibly you know,
you lived and died by it. At that moment, that
rug got really poled out from under a feet. Like
I remember going to do some radio shows promoting our
next country single, a song called combat Kid that we
(01:00:43):
put out at YUMNG, and I would have these pds
kind of come up the heads of these stations and
they would just say, thank you so much for being here,
I cannot play this song because because they had been
told that it was an act of aggression if they
played it, and that they were not to support us anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Okay, so this is a situation where don't fill in
any blanks through this situation where it's somebody or some
unit is powerful force there, you're not aligned, and because
you're not aligned, their alignment.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Wins correct which makes sense to me, because you know,
at that point, gatekeepers were such a such a powerful force,
and that was a really heartbreaking thing, and it just
kept happening. And so the head of our new label
at that point they called us on like a Saturday
(01:01:34):
and they just said, Hey, these waters are really turbulent,
and so we don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
How to protect you here and help you keep.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Growing, keep going, I guess, and like, see if this
can break over in the other side it pop And
so it was really scary. And it was also like, man,
this is such a bummer because I feel like we
just gave all of this time to build this this foundation,
and now it feels like rug has been pulled underneath
our feet.
Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
All that to say that's nerdy music business stuff, but.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I need that context because I don't know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, And so it's really it's incredibly hard sometimes to see.
It's less hard now because there's so much time in
the rear view, but when somebody brings the story back up,
like the band that killed their own career, it's just like.
Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Well, you know, there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
That you couldn't see that we were we were dealing
with and struggling through and we love country music as
the band period. Was never our intention to have that
in the rear view. We just wanted to continue to
grow and be ourselves at home here and also as
if I die young, did have it expand as large
as it could in the world, right, Like that's the
(01:02:45):
dream for everybody. So I think in my solo artistry,
it's just important for me to be a defender when
I can and fill in some of the blanks that
people are curious about, and to really like protect our
legacy as much as we can. I'm incredibly proud of
what I balanced.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
All three of those things are what a balance. Yeah,
adding to protect your legacy is quite the balance with
how we started this. Like how much like if I
were me, I would't wan to talk about it that
much because I'd want people to be like, this is
the new. But at the same time, it is very
important to you, and you want to make sure that
it hasn't been confused over time totally.
Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
And I think sometimes silence just allows things absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
For sure, Silence gets filled in and it ain't ever
good for the person that's being silent.
Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I'll say this just you know, because I there's just
so many parallels I feel between us and how we
communicate with folks and even our careers in a way.
But I will go places and I will and you
may not feel as much as I do, but I'll
go places and I'm like, I don't like, I don't
want to go on there because everybody hates me. And
(01:04:06):
my wife will go, why do you think.
Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
It was?
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Like, because I know I have big opinions and I
know I'm probably in there all like, we hate this guy,
we don't want me. She's like, you know them, No,
but I know how people are. Yeah, right, And she's like,
but you're basing all this off of a couple of instances.
She goes, if you're just going to a random city,
let's say you go to somewhere in Iowa, she goes,
don't put some theater tickets on sale? Do stand up
(01:04:30):
and you'll sell three thousand tickets? Do you think everybody
hates you? Like no, because she goes, why would you
randomly feel that walking into a room and why would
you let that change how you're feeling or acting out?
And she has a great point. But emotionally, you know,
I'm stunted, and I don't know if you feel like
you're when you first came back to Nashville, Like, I
don't know people don't like me or people think the bampit.
(01:04:53):
I've never once heard that about you.
Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Thank you. That means a lot to me.
Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I think coming back in I just didn't know how
people were going to respond. I will say it has
been overwhelming how warm everybody has been and honestly, how
many people both champions the music of my past but
also are like we have been wanting to hear the
solo voice forever, and that has just been such a
(01:05:20):
warm welcome both in our town in Nashville, but also
in country music at large and like the fans. That's
been a really really special thing, and I'm incredibly proud
of it, you know, because you just don't know, You don't.
Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Know how people are going to respond.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
And that's back to the thing sometimes, and I think
this happens in life too, right, it's not just our business,
but it's like, really only have a challenge with one
or two people, and it feels bigger than that it's
really not. And so that's the perspective that I have
now that I wish I had had back in those days.
Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Was a lot younger though, right, sometimes you only you learn.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
By living, yeah, perspective, Like we said, you don't earn
it for free. That education costs me more money than
sometimes paying for a freaking college education one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
But it's also wisdom that I love imparting to younger
artists as well, because I think that there are some
land mines that I can help artists navigate around at
this point.
Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
So well, I think people are rooting for you. I
know I'm rooting for you. I like you, I genuinely
like to be around you. Even when we would just
do show stuff, I would be like mak like we
wouldn't hang out or anything, but like Kimberly is cool
because I just like say this, and she'd say that,
and there was just kind of an respect and understanding
and we're just gonna say what we say and that's
just who we are and be that mad or we're
not gonna be that just that's that was just it.
(01:06:36):
So I'm rooting for you like I like you and
I and I just want you to know that because
if I were you, i'd feel everybody hates me because
I feel that way. Yeah, and you may not, but
it's not That's not how it is, thank you, Not
with me, not with like the normal people. I'm not normal, right,
but not with like people that aren't so so so
in the weeds.
Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Right, no, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I think any who is also just approaching it with
completely pure intentions, right, Like, just do I like this
artist music?
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
So do I like her as like a lady. That's
and that feels nice and I do feel that love.
And I think as time goes on, too, I think
the truth always finds its way, and I think I'm
really really proud of the music that the vand Perry
put out, and I believe time is going to be
good to the band Perry, And.
Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I don't think you even again, You're so in it
forced from the trees. I'm ten thousand feet up totally.
I'm not searching for truths. To me, it's just good memories,
that's it.
Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
I think somebody said, yeah, we just we missed their
their cheeky lyrics, and I was like.
Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah, I got more cheek coming from Yeah. Yeah, I'm
super happy for you. I can't wait to see what
this turns into.
Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
And it's never nothing ever turns into anything, but it's
always turning at the same time, and that that's what's exciting.
So I'm rooting for you. You guys, which we mentioned earlier,
Bloom turned into super Bloom, So now you really only
get super Bloom. Why would you get Bloom exactly? Just
stream home and then I don't know what's like next year?
Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Are you touring bus Baby? I can't wait it?
Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Yeah, I mean that's my favorite part of all of this, honestly.
And I was just I've been telling everybody like, if
you put one hundred and eighty shows on the book,
so I'll play one hundred and ninety, you know, like
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
No, the mentality, it's me in trouble.
Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
I know, I know, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
But we'll bring a Johnny'll tour with me, and we'll
bring baby and just take the family on the road.
Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
I'm really used to that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
So good to see. Do your friends call you Kim
or Kimberly or what KP KP got it? Yeah, Well
when I walked in, they said please report it missus Perry.
I was like, all right, my bad, stop it. It
didn't happen, all right, Well, good to see you.
Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
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