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June 11, 2024 75 mins

Zac Brown (@ZacBrown) of the Zac Brown Band (@ZacBrownBand)  joined Bobby Bones to talk about the early ups and downs he went through forming his band. He reflects on how he played in bars for a decade before he got his big break. He also chats about how he handled his employees during the pandemic and how he got burned by certain people in his life. Zac also shares the advice Bruce Springsteen gave him that changed his life. He also tells stories about writing some of his biggest hits like "Goodbye In Her Eyes" and why it took 10 years to finish writing that song. Zac also details his intense tour routine and chats about his love for spearfishing and freediving and more! 

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
When I'm diving down, there's no chatter, doesn't exist, so
you're only in that moment and it's so primal and
you're so just connected to the ocean and nothing else,
and you feel small in the greatest possible way.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Episode four fifty six. I sat for an hour with
Zach Brown of Zach Brown Band. Obviously, I'd never sat
with him for this long. We've done like twelve thirteen
fourteen minute interviews. I'd spend some time with him away
from the show, but never and it's a very intimate process,
just sitting with someone for an hour. But never liked this.
He shared some interesting things. One thing I don't think

(00:42):
that he knew possibly hadn't been released yet of information
I don't know. The concert thing. Yeah, so I guess
this maybe the first time you hear that coming up
I seeing him say anything about it. I haven't either,
I've been looking so that happens. He talks about a
pian and a bottle, which we'll get to as well.

(01:02):
I mean, this guy, I feel like I can't get
my brain to stop. I feel like he suffers from
this too. I don't know when he has time to
be creative. I know Zach Brown band has two new singles,
tie Up and Pirates and Parrots. Uh, they're torn with
Kenny Chesney. You know. I make the comment to him

(01:22):
if I were Kenny, I would never have Zach Brown
play before me. They're so good, and so we talked
about that. I don't know. Camp Southern Ground is a
whole thing too with Ah and he talks about how,
you know, how they started and how he tries to
give back in a lot of different ways, and Camp
Southern Ground is about that, you know. I think we'll
just go with it. I think you'll like this. I

(01:43):
did first time I'd ever spend an hour with him,
Zach Brown. He would you say? He's reclusive? Yeah, comes
out for just concerts. Really Yeah. It's kind of weird
to see him in the backyard because usually I only
see him a like work stuff, and he's like a
hunk of muscle with right. He's he's a guy that
could I feel like you could punch as hard as
you want it anywhere in his body except as nose possibly,

(02:05):
and he would not be vulnerable to attack. He's a monster,
all right, Harry is Zach Brown? Good to see you, man,
You too, appreciate you coming over. Hey, So what is what?
What is the deal? What do you live here? Now?
I have a place here, not in my house? Do
you live But because I always thought he was one
of the guys who was never here, then you would
like show up, are you here more?

Speaker 1 (02:24):
My home base is in Georgia still still that's home base.
But I do have a place here in my studios
here as well.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Studio as in your recording studio.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, sir, it's Southern ground Nashville.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's over in that move too, right, because you sold
the old one, really one, you should you get a
pretty penny. Trust me, I know a little bit about
real estate. Yeap.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I need the Tenter during COVID because it was kind
of wild. You listed everything I did.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I listed it.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I had it in a contract for a year and
a half and the guys were they were just holding it,
and then interest rates and everything went up, and then
they kind of started getting fishy, and I was like,
I'm not holding this another day without some heart earners money.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
So it was under contract for over a year.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, and then and then they put on hard earners
money and then they ended up backing out again.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
So I just keep the money. Oh hell yeah, we had.
We were still in the process of selling our other house.
It was right down the road from here, and we
put it up and we bought it right when COVID started.
We bought it when everything went way down, so we
got very fortunate. Yeah, and since then things have gone
way up and we're going to do pretty good on it.

(03:27):
Whenever we finally sell it. And some guy was like,
I want it, and he said, I'll take it and
put it in a contract and like two weeks went buy
and he's like hey man, Like hey man. He didn't
like reach out like a buddy, but he was like, hey,
I just got divorced and I bought this house because
it just got divorced. And my ex wife did not
want me to get this house the last time it
was up for sale, so I bought it to spite her.

(03:48):
And I like to get out of the contract because
I shouldn't have made that decision, so I let him.
We haven't sold it since, which was gonna sell it.
But I could have held an account, and you know,
I could have been like, nah, you but yeah, real estate,
real estate. It's the I don't know much about money.
I didn't grow up with money. But it's like the
only thing I've ever done where it's like almost you
went almost every.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Time, especially around here.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Is it like that everywhere though? I mean I know,
because everyone's always like around here, but only know around here.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, it depends on what it is, man, you know,
in a growing area like this. It is in my experience,
you know it. I mean I bought I bought my
studio and the building next door to it in like
twenty ten, and there were no high rise buildings except
the Orbison building was the biggest building around anywhere close
to us.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
So it was like little houses still.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
And I wish I had bought everything anywhere around there
at that time, knowing hindsight.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
But so we did good on that. We put a
lot into it.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
We turned the whole thing into guitar woods, floors, walls,
you know, everything, ceiling. But it's such a cool historic place,
you know. It was monument records back in the sixties.
It was like Fred Foster's place, and then Al Jolson
owned it after that, and so when we got the studio,
it was completely stacked full. The tap vault was completely
full of old tapes that people recorded there. There was

(05:01):
like a let the tape. There was Christofferson tapes there.
There was all the financial records of everyone that ever
recorded there from the sixties until now what do you
do with those? I've got a little area set up
that's just like all the history. So we set it
up and organized it all. And there's like unreleased Shel
Silverstein records there's but there's a file for everyone that
recorded there, and everyone recorded there. The B three that's

(05:25):
in there, the Allman brothers came. And the story is
the brothers came and recorded there and then couldn't pay
their full studio bills, so Greg left his his hammon there,
So the B three was Greg's. There's the piano was
one of Liberachi's pianos. It was from nineteen twenty Baldwin,
huge grand piano sound nothing sounds like that thing. And

(05:49):
Al Jolson owned that and it was came along with
the sale of studio. So I got all this old
treasure that was in the place and all the history
behind it all.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
So you knew that a lot of that older historic
stuff was in there when you bought it. It wasn't like
you stumbled on a small door and you crawled through
the door and you're like, oh no, the whole studio
was completely full.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
It was full of old Mike stands, like my MIC's
stand has Jjkle's name sprayed on the bottom of it.
It's like and supposedly there's an Elvis necklace somewhere that
someone left in the wall, like one of his in
the people on his thing, like he gave out gold
TCB you know, yeah, take care of the necklaces. And
supposedly one of the guys that was working on it
back in the sixties or whatever left his necklace up
and it got closed in a wall somewhere in the building.

(06:28):
There's all kinds of crazy stories, but steeped in history.
It was a church had built in nineteen oh one,
and before that the ground it was on was like
a Civil War battlefield, like resting ground, like they had
the overflow from hospitals. So it's pretty haunted as well
as a lot of my staff will tell you that
stayed in there late at night often and found really
weird things in there. So it's a it's a cool place, man,

(06:50):
It's like dripping with weird cool stuff. And I'm not
one of those super ghost people.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I just try not to be open to that kind
of stuff. I'd rather just if it's around, I'd rather
just not pay attention to it. Yeah, but people friends
of mine that are have coming there and like gotten
sick of their stomach. They're like, oh God, there's so
many spirits in here and whatever, and it's like cool, sweet.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I got two places I want to go. One, I
bring up the property in the real estate things. I
feel like you're a guy who's gotten into a lot
of different things and is actually and I don't know
if you have if you're like me and you just
want to do a little bit of everything and learn
about everything, or if because you're with the food, with
the music with I mean, if I feel like there's
five or six places that you've the leather, you know,
with all that you've done, what part of you is

(07:33):
the person that chases that? Like mine is like I
get obsessed with things like addict They come from an
addiction family big time. Right now. My thing is like
sports Mambillian cards. Can't get about to saus helmets and gear.
I'm just I get it. Yeah, have you ever seen these?
I just actually brought this down and I never bought
these before they're called Apparently they are pop centery. They're

(07:55):
like not athletes, but like celebrity, like famous people who
sign cards.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I haven't seen those yet.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I will break this in a minute. What part of
you though, interest you in all these different things?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
I'm the same way, Like I'll chase a rabbit hole
something that's interesting to me, I will latch onto it
and research and learn as much as I can about it.
And I think the part about being an artist is
not just you know, music is one of the mediums
that you can use, but you know, I've been making
knives since I was eighteen years old, So creating something

(08:27):
and whether it's space or whatever, like I love to
come into a space if it's somewhere where I'm going
to be, and transform that space into a vibe that
I'm really going to, like, like getting the lighting correct,
the right way of getting the right things. And then
all my traveling I come upon things. I seek things too,
Like if I go to do a tour in the UK,
I'm going to head up all the old weird antique
stores that have like five six hundred year old stuff

(08:49):
in them and kind of pick through those things and
find things to bring back. So I'm I'm kind of
a people collector as far as on the business side
of things, and I'm kind of a collector of art
and weird things.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, So where does that come from? What was what
was home like growing up? Did anybody do that? Did
anybody collect or draw or?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
My uncle.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
On my mom's side, so my grandma, my great uncle,
my grandmother's brother, he was the same way. Like when
I went to his house and saw his whole setup
and everything too, I'm like, that's got to be somewhere
from that side of the family. But I think for me,
I'm a hyper curious person. So I'm always curious about things,
and I want to learn about things, and I'm interested.
So you know, when I was learning about leather goods

(09:30):
and things like that, I would find people that made
leather goods, give them the space.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
And the tools, help them buy the tools.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
And you know, I had one hundred and sixty five
thousand square feet of manufacturing space in Georgia before COVID hit,
and that was compartmentalized into nineteen different businesses and spaces
and stuff, and I had craftsmen in there and engineers
and things, and you know, S and C equipment, CENC, metal,
S and C leather, CE and C wood shop all
in this place.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
So what's C and C.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
It's basically no computer, computer controlled machines, got it?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah? I don't want to act like a smart and
new so yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
So you know mills, lathes, things that run themselves. You
put it in a program like I could do a
full body scan of you and then carve it out
of wood. Put a block of wood on this machine
and it had two five axis routers heads that would
carve you like full on like nostrils and everything out
of out of wood.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Can you imagine if I like made out with that,
that'd be weird. Yeah, you get a splinter my own Yeah,
I'm like in my tongue, I'd be weird. Uh what
about the what the craftsman part? Who did that?

Speaker 3 (10:36):
People that I would find?

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I would find people that were already making amazing things
and reach out to them and like, would you.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Be interested in that as a kid? Were you interested
in that? Like cutting and building? And I was? I
was very creative as a kid. Were you artsy and
weird or were you because right now you're not you're artsy,
but you're not weird, and you've take it taken the
weird way because you have tattoos in your jacked.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well, I think I think you know. I think being
a nerd of anything's kind of cool actually, but it
doesn't actually get to be cool.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Until you're a little bit older, I agree.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
And then then you find out when you put energy
and effort into something and you really like search it out,
and you really Because of my music, I was able
to reach people. I was able to call people on
the phone and maybe people would know who I was
and I could speak to them and like show them
what we're doing later on, Yeah, what is the kid?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Were you a weird kid? Though? I was a weird
kid or what was considered weird for Mountain Pine, Arkansas?
I was weird because I wanted to like perform and
be funny. That didn't happen where I came from.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, I was a choir kid, so I could inquire
when I was in first grade, so I always loved
to sing. My dad and my brother played guitar, so
I wanted to play guitar, and so I was From
the time I was seven, I started taking guitar lessons
and a guitar was always like home for me wherever
I was, so I carried my guitar everywhere I went.
Music was definitely like my first love that I ever had,

(11:53):
singing along with shows. My brothers tell me to shut
up and stop singing, you know, just be quiet and
thin like that. But my love for music was definitely
my absolute first first love. And I think as a
kid just being super creative, like I would make stuff
in class out of you know, construction paper and pipe
cleaners and stuff I'd make like little weird grappling hooks

(12:14):
and tear up the corner of the carpet and make
a rope for it, and like, I don't know, I
was always making things, So it's natural as my progression.
And I always love to see anyone that's really amazing
at doing something, somebody that's like the leather worker that
I have Ramone, he's unbelievable. So for Louis Vuittan for
twenty years, he's when he crafts something out of leather,
it's like it's perfect, you know. And finding people like

(12:37):
that that are so good at what they do and
they have this level of passion that drives them to
be that kind of excellent. I wanted to like provide
a space for them to do what they do, just like,
what do you need? What tools do you need to
do this on a bigger level, so we can make
things and sell them pay for your salary, but also
be able to make things very bespoke things for people
or make things, you know, like my plane, the whole

(12:58):
interior my plane Ramon and made every piece of the plane,
all the chairs, the panels, ceiling, the bathroom, every everything
in it. So I've always been really attracted to people
that are really amazing at something. And then what I'm
at is being a pragmatic person and going, Okay, if
I just give this person every tool that they need

(13:20):
in the space and freedom to do it, what can
they create?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Do you expect the same thing whenever it comes to
you and your music. You want them to give you
every resource to let you do your perfection? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Absolutely, And my band is extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I'm like a record label or whomever, because you you know,
they have to fund things. It's not you know, there's
reasons flid with a label. Do you expect them to
give you the same liberty that you give your creatives?
For sure?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
And you know, I think if you're going to work
with a label, they have to trust you as the artist.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I don't have a and R coming in to tell
me what kind of songs to write and what it
needs to sound like and be like and.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Stuff like that. Like I create what I create.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
And if they like it, then they're gonna, you know,
support it, and they'll listen through everything that we made
and say this might be the best one for this.
And being able to kind of trust your team with that.
But it's very important to me. I've been fanatically rebellious
since I was a child, to where I someone tries
to tell me what I should be, how I should act,

(14:19):
what I should I didn't get a record deal for
ten years because people came in and we're like, Okay,
we're going to get you a cowboy hat and some
boots and we're going to put you up. And that
was the end of the conversation for me because I
knew who I was, and I was brave enough to
say that's not who I am. And I remember one
time we were selling out like five six thousand seats
at places before we had a record deal. I mean,
we played every night. I had to create a business model.

(14:43):
So I would go to bars, sports bars that didn't
have live music, and I'd say, I'm going to play
here every Friday night. I'm going to come set up
and all I want is the door, give me a tab,
give me some food or whatever, you know, give me
a couple hundred bucks in a tab for me in
mist in Georgia, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama. So my first
ten years of touring, I did that, and I played
house gigs at the same place every the same night

(15:06):
of the week for ten years. But after a little
bit of time, on a Wednesday night at as Sidelines
in Kinnesau, we'd have three hundred people come in pay
a door charge, and I'd make, you know, twelve hundred
bucks at the door, and then they're stoked. Because if
I've owned restaurants too, so you lose your ass in
a restaurant Monday through Thursday, Friday Saturday as you make

(15:26):
up for the rest of the whole week. But making
a business, making a night of business for somebody on
a Wednesday, that's like a Friday Saturday, is like a
gold mine. That's that's but I would show up and play.
We'd play four hours a night and we'd set up.
I mean, at first it was six hours a night
we'd play. But we created a business model. And if
I had been in Nashville here trying to go hunt

(15:47):
a gig for sixty bucks a night, you know, hustling
like that, there's a lot of people. There's so many
incredible players and things around here, but it's so saturated,
there's not it, there's not a business. Well, we created
a business model. So we would play those places every
every single week, and we'd bring in tons of people.
And that's how I could test my songs that I
was writing. I would know I'd play it out like
I was playing Chicken Fried in bars for years before

(16:09):
we put it on an album. But I knew after
playing that in front of three hundred people a night
on a Wednesday in a sports bar that it would work.
I could tell by the reaction of what the people
were doing. So they were the litmus test of like
what's working and what's not. So six nights a week
for ten years, bro, just grinding my ass off, sleeping
against the window of a truck, you know, hired a

(16:30):
dude to drive me and pull my you know, covered
trailer around with our shits on sticks in it and
our PA.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
System and doing that.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
So I didn't know how other people did it. I
didn't know there were rules or how it works or
anything like that. So it was always interesting to me
when I come to Nashville and the way people write songs.
And I was writing just you know, late at night,
up after shows at somebody's random living room, you know.
So I didn't know that people sit and write like
they'll take four sessions a day and come in to
write and do things. So I never knew the way

(16:58):
business should work or how it should work. All I
knew was I'm just playing and I was cutting my teeth,
and it gave me the best like resilience, and it
also gave me this incredible appreciation for every single person
because sometimes the dude cleaning up the bar was the
only person that was listening to me. And so my
connection to people, to I don't know, this is not

(17:18):
a derogatory thing, but like to common people, being out
there with people. So I learned to love all kinds
of people of all different abilities because you never know how.
And I can still go in the back in the
kitchen and Dixie tavern right now, and see Fernando, the
guy that was always cooking in the back of the kitchen,
and give him a hug and hang out with him,
because that was my family back then.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, I don't think it's derogatory term if you're also
one of them.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
I am absolutely one of the people, And.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I don't think even what take this that if you're
like common people. But if it's like if I were
to call somebody hillbilly, that's okay. I come from freaking Mountaine, Arkansas,
so I can do that. But if somebody from it's
not a hillbilly, for sure calls me hillbilly. But you
have this weird stew of of perfectionist and creative. Those

(18:02):
don't often go together. What's what's the tug on that?
And who wins? Because again, the creative and the perfectionists,
that doesn't mix well a lot of the times.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Man, you know, I got a tattoo of Teddy Roosevelt
on my on my left arm.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I think.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
The people who go do the deeds, who actually do
the things and show up and aren't afraid to fail.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
So like the arena is what you're talking about, man?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
In the arena?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, so every I come back to that.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Every time I hear some failed New York some guy,
some author or writer in New York that writes something
derogatory about my album when he had a failed band
and just the only way he found a job was
to write and you know, critique other people's music. I
go back to that speech to the man in the arena,
to Teddy. But I wasn't afraid to fail. And that's
the that's the thing I just you have to. I

(18:51):
think perseverance is the most extraordinary thing that we can
possibly have, because if you if you're willing to put
in the work and grind and hustle and an artist,
talent comes pretty cheap.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
You can find talent to people all day long.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
But the people that have the grit to persevere and
fucking get out and grind and like get on the
horse and hear a thousand people tell them that you
can't do this and don't give a shit and just
do it anyway, and just fucking keep going, keep going,
keep going, because you don't start great. You start where
you are and you work on it, and the more
hours you do it, the more great you become. And
the more hours Like so, I think that that resilience

(19:26):
for me and getting to I didn't know where I
was going.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
I just knew I wasn't gonna stop.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
But when you're creating, it could be then or now
versus when you want it to be exactly right, you're
not going to put where does that fall? At some
point you've got to have a point where I'm just
I just got to put it down on stop spending
all this time worrying if it's perfect, or the other
way where it's like, man, I am not putting anything
out until it's exactly right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I've said on lyrics to songs like Goodbye in Your Eyes.
As an example, we have a song. It took ten
to find the bridge for that song because I knew
it was great, but I wouldn't compromise and just put
some lines in that rhyme.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
So if you.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
If you like the people that you're writing with and
you're creating with, which is a big thing for me
now I've just started writing with this guy in the
last year that I just love. In every two or
three hours, another great song pops out. And so when
you can find the energy and synergy around that, when
you don't.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I just thought ten years though have you had it,
you'd have the bridge.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
I had it, but I knew that it just I
didn't have it yet. It just wasn't there. But I
hear songs on the radio all the time that I'm like,
they're just making that shit rhyme, Like if you care
about every line of the song, if a song is
your baby, it's like the to me, songwriting is like
the last like real American form of poetry and trying
to you know, and some songs are are this poetic,
like amazing thing that's like, you know, based on family

(20:52):
or relationships or whatever. Some of them you write to
just be absurd and to have fun. So it depends
on what you're going for. But if you're looking, if
you're looking for that poetry and seeking it out and
you're trying to find the best line, I mean the
genius in songs for me, like simple songs like Willie
Nelson was a genius songwriter because he could say something
so simple and you could any layman person could listen

(21:14):
to it and go, that's great. But if you listen
to how perfectly simple that it was, there's genius in
how you do that, like boiling it down to something
so simple. So for me, the chase of a song
is like I never love a song more than right
when we finish writing it, because you kind of forget
what you did. You listen back to it and you're like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
There it is.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
But I have a really good radar with If that
line's not good enough, the song's not done.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yet, hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I would have never finished a song then because if
it waited ten years, there's nothing that could have been
good enough to finish the song. So how did I
want to go back to that specifically?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, I just I heard it. It was actually a
part of another song that a friend of mine had written,
and I was like, that's and I changed that a
little bit, but I was like, that's the bridge, that's
the one, And then they got created, you know, credit
for writing on the song as well, but you know,

(22:21):
you don't know what it is, but you know it's
not right yet.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
So that's the thing. You don't compromise.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
The songs are your babies, and however long it takes
to do that. Sometimes you'll split a song out in
an hour, and sometimes it takes ten years to finish one.
But if you're proud of every single line and every
single one and hopefully the people that listen that really
care about every line, like you're looking for that duality.
Like you're saying a lot of things in a very
few simple words, like on you know.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
A layer of it.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
But I think I was blessed also, you know, my
dad was a good businessman, and I think having a
little bit of the left side brain about it, and
also listening to everybody's horror stories of how they get
taken advantage of in music business and things like that,
Like I was very stubborn with negotiating those things because
you have to negotiate it on what you're going to
be and not what you are. Because most I've never
signed a publishing deal because I had tons of offers

(23:11):
over the years. Somebody wants to come, you know, give
you half a million dollars, they'll loan it to you,
and then they own half of everything you write after
that point in time. And it's like, if I'm betting
on myself, then I'm betting on one day I'm going
to sell out stadiums and I'm going to have number
one songs and I'm going to be doing this, so
is taking you know, one hundred grand advance for doing

(23:33):
this right now a smart thing to do. So I
think being longsighted and how you negotiate with things, and
it made it where some it was hard for some
people to work with me because I was very stubborn,
but I live outside of the rules of what everybody
else did because I didn't come from it.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
I didn't know what they were.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
So I was really blessed in that way.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I feel like I didn't know how it was supposed
to work, so I just did what worked for me.
And then I'm one of the only artists that I
know that owns all of my masters. I own all
the masters to all my recordings, and that doesn't normally happen, right,
even the Beatles, the Beatles Michael Jackson own the Beatles Publishing,
and then the Beatles own Michael Jackson Publishing, but they
never own their own It was always tied up. It

(24:16):
was always in all these details of contracts that people
don't understand and don't know. And I would say a
big contributing factor to this thing too, is like anybody's
starting out to the music is the first thing that you
need to have is a great lawyer. I've had read
Hunter since day one, since I had one, and he's
been incredible because I'm asking him, Okay, what does this mean?

(24:37):
You know, he'd have to dumb things down for me
to help understand. Okay, how does that work in eight
years from now? What does that mean? How does it go?

Speaker 3 (24:43):
And when I sign a new contract, what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
And as far as you don't have a law firm
with everything else you got see law firm is Hebb
law firm, leather in law.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
But finding one that you can really trust and that
has the influence and has the stuff. If he didn't
know the answer, he can find someone that does know
the answer. And that's how you build your team. You
find that person first and then you kind of help,
you know, do that. But man, you gotta be tough. Man,
you gotta be tough, and you can't let people tell
you what you are, because if you become what other
people think that you should be, you don't know who
the fuck you are.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
I would agree with that. I also like songs that
Ryan Barron Carr. Do you have any of those?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I don't think, so I try to stay away from
Love the Bar and car some of those. Yeah, okay,
we can do that to you. I write one with.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
You on whatever you like. No, here's the thing about
my songwriting that could probably heard some of my hits,
like Hobby Lobby Bobby, It's sweeps the Nation. But I
have this idea for a song and it's about driving
in the country and it's the hardest sing along ever.
It's my idea, and so I do stand up, I
do music whatever fair mediumly. And the idea is I'm

(25:45):
driving in the country and I look over on the rock,
on the rocks that have been cut out for the road,
and there's like a lot of drawings up there, and
I'm like, oh, this is cool. And then everybody sings
along and it's called plural rural murals, and it's the
hardest thing along ever because it's hard to say plural
rural murals, especially a few times in a row. Oh
that's true. So that's where I am right now. I
just really haven't foud I've been waiting ten years to
get some way to write it with. Well, I haven't

(26:06):
even started writing it just to get someone to write
it with. I'm not even to needing a bridge. Yet
that's how perfectionist I am. With the song plural rural murals.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Okay, all right, tell me that is not I desire.
I actually see a lot in those three words together.
I can see a lot of possibility. So that's a
great start.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Thank you. And that's where I am. I probably wait
another ten before I get to the park for sure.
I just got to find that.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, when you're ninety, bro, you're gonna have it.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I need a good lawyer and a good person to
ride it with. I'm ready to go. Yeah. The thing
about a lawyer, though, is a lot of people that
are starting in this business and I would even put
myself into this business as being the the artistic side
where you make money. Is we didn't grow up around lawyers.
We don't know. Yeah, I didn't know. I know now

(26:52):
the value of it, but if I would, I mean,
I had a couple of backstreet boy deals which meant
bad ones at first with agent with but I didn't
know because I was I never even knew a lawyer.
And so the importance of saying you need a lawyer
and having people not go he's not talking to me

(27:12):
because I don't know much about lawyers. Like it's almost like,
if you're going to do music and you're gonna have
an art that you monetize, you need somebody making sure
somebody's not ripping it off, even at the lowest level. Sure,
And when you say that, I'm like, man, I wish
I would have listened to somebody tell me that, because
people probably did. But I was like, lawyer, that's fancy.
What am I gonna do it? What am I gonna

(27:33):
do with a lawyer? But it would have saved me
a lot of stress.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, I think it comes along with recognizing your own strengths, right, Like,
I know, I feel like I know my lane and
I know what I'm good at.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
So everything. So if if I'm a nine, or if
I'm a nine and.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Some things say at a ten scale, Right, if I'm
a nine, it's some things and I'm two's and other
ones if I'm doing it the right way. My team
are all nines and tens at their area of what
they do.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Over the that I'm terrible at doing.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
To even know to get a lawyer though, yeah, well
that's because I heard about everything, and you know, I
don't have a contract with my lawyer. We made an
agreement early on, like you're gonna make this percentage of
everything that I make or whatever. And he did that
when I was making nothing, and he stood by me
and helped me to do that, help me build my team,
help me to put things together.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Still, you know, still my guy to this day.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
And that's the thing with me, Like if somebody's made
of the right character in fabric or whatever, I will
work with that person forever. There's there's lots of things
that change in and out of time, things that fit.
It may not mean that they're bad people or make
bad decisions, but it just doesn't work. But I've been
really blessed to build my team of people where I've
got people around me that are all tens where I'm

(28:43):
a two, and then everything's covered, you know, and then
seeking counsel from people, having people like Jimmy Buffett, who
you know, rest in peace, people like him that I
can call and go, hey, man, what.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Was this like for you?

Speaker 3 (28:55):
What how do you think about this?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
There's only a handful of people that I could call
and get quick answers from that independent that would.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Make sense to you. For you, because only a few
people ever done what you're doing at the level you're doing,
and have somewhat of an understanding of what you're going through.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
How he built his brand, how he does his things,
what he doesn't do, what he does, you know, like,
what's the advice you know? I mean even like even Springsteen.
I remember the time I talked to him. I was like,
tell me something that's the most important thing that you
can tell me for my career, like what he is,
there's something that you can think of. And his reply was,
you need to sweat every day for an hour. I
don't care what you do. Just go find a place, walk, run,

(29:35):
work out, whatever it is. Sweat for an hour a day.
And after he told me that, I was like, all right,
he's a boss. I'm gonna do that. It give me
little things like that that people say they can change
your trajectory. They could change like what you're doing, and
you know, having but being able to access people like
that and being able to do it and somehow beyond
their radar was amazing because I started off and I

(29:56):
still am. I'm a giant music fan. I'm a music
lover like fanatic. I try to seek things out that
move me, seek things out like the way people are
writing and the way they sing it and the way
they play it and put it with the melodies and
the harmonies or whatever it is that makes it give
you that visceral feeling where you can listen to something
and you really feel what they're feeling. So I still
seek that out to this day. So I started out

(30:16):
as a music lover. So it's it's weird and amazing
along my journey to get to share stages with my heroes.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, that's wild. I'm finally I finally have people that
I think are cool, that think I'm kind of cool exactly.
And it's not even that they have to be super famous.
It's just somebody that I thought was cool. It's like, oh,
I kind of You're like, that's the that's the greatest thing.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
But I never lose sight of the kid that was
just in love with music, because that's still who I am.
So it's always when I'm sharing, like we just did
that the Jimmy Buffett tribute in LA and the Hollywood
Bowl Show. Yeah, and with you know, Paul McCartney and
the Eagles and Jackson Brown and you know, it goes
on and on, but you.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Still have to go be cool, be cool to yourself,
like be cool, be cool, be cool. But Paul McCarney
be cool.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, always, I mean always, and I'm never So my
life is so polarizing, Like when I'm at home, I
got five kids, So when I'm at home, I'm the
house bitch, Like I'm there to serve them.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I'm there to drive.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Them, take them school, pick them up for school, take them.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Around and do whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
And I love that.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I want to be there to see all that as
much as I possibly can, and I have them half
the time. So that's half of my life is in
Georgia doing that, and I absolutely love that. And I
never get used to when I go back out on
the road and I stand at a stadium full of
people and singing and going, holy shit, this is what
I this.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Is what I do.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
That part, that part of grandeur of whatever that is
whatever doesn't.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Live with me constantly.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
I'm not like you know, it's it's always humbling to
me every time that we get to do it.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
And it keeps me humble because I know just who
I am.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I'm just a dude trying to create something, make something,
and trying to make my family work and be connected
to them, but also be connected to my music and
my creativity, and you know, COVID happens everything, and it
simplified my life in the greatest way.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Meaning in a way that you didn't think you would enjoy,
but it ended up being a great learning experience. You
learn from it, and you wouldn't have picked it.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
I wouldn't have picked it because I didn't know what
it meant.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
If someone would have said, this is what you're gonna do,
this is what's going to happen, and in the end,
it's gonna be good for you.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
I had two hundred and fifty employees when COVID man.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's that's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
It's a lot of families that depend on me to
be solid and me to do things and come through
and all of that. And so looking in the face
of that and the uncertainty of it, I had to
close things down.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I had to sell my huge warehouse and some my.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Equipment, sell some of my businesses to friends, which I
still have a piece of, which is great because I
don't have to babysit the people making it. Now I
can create, you know, contribute ideas and design and things
like that, and help with marketing. But I don't have
to do it, but it put me in a space.
And this is something that because of my curiosity and
my energy level, I have a lot of energy. I

(32:58):
learned just because you can do a lot of things
doesn't mean you should.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Like, if you can.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Figure out how to have an acceptable amount of things
that you're good at doing and focus on those, you're
going to be better. You're going to be able to
serve all those things way better than being spread so
thin across so many different avenues.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I think you have to learn. I had to learn
that lesson the hard way. I had to learn that
lesson by burning out a bit. Oh yeah, did you
do that or did you just realize, oh, I'm smart.
I'm not going to burn myself out. No.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I would definitely burn myself out because then it's the
little things that happen in life when you're having to like,
oh shit, I've got to deal with all this shit now,
and like my mental space goes down, and also thinking that.
So here's another principle for people that are trying to
have a business, asn't matter what you do or what
it is or whatever. Your business is only as good
as your systems and if your system doesn't allow. If
your system has checks and balances in every possible area

(33:43):
and doesn't allow people to take advantage, you will succeed.
If there's any gap in your business where people can
take advantage, they always will. And learning that the hard
way was hard for me because I would get it
taken of, getting taken advantage of the efficiencies of what's
happening when I wasn't there to oversee what happens day

(34:05):
to day.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
It was just a bleed. It was a bleed.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
But on paper, you hire a placement agency, a headhunter,
help me find a CEO. That's the baddest motherfucker in
the world, Like, help me find somebody, and you pay
the money to bring this person in and you put
them in that position, and you assume because of their resume,
because of these things or whatever, they're going to oversee things,
they're going to run toward problems. They're going to help
you do this thing right. But if I'm not there

(34:31):
to engage with that company in that business. But that's
why my touring runs like a top because I have
incredible people that do it. I'm there with them when
we're doing it. They put out all the fires. So
I don't have to be consumed with that. But in
these other businesses that I had and I tried to
start and go, it doesn't matter how well you hire
for that, if the amount of attention that you spend there.

(34:51):
It's like having a restaurant. If you want a successful restaurant,
you need to live there, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
But dear, I feel like the talk macro businesses. But
has that happened to you personally that taught you this?
Because the real lessons I've learned of things that have
been happened to having me personally.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, oh absolutely.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
One of my greatest friends, Paul, I asked him. He's
got a lot of people and a lot of stuff
on his plate, you know, and when you have something
that happens on a personal level where it's a betrayal
and you know you weren't really looking over their shoulders
as much as you should have.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
And that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
The system in place when you have friends that work
with you and family that works with you and things
like that, When those things, when those people take advantage,
it hits you on a whole other level. And I
remember the first time that that happened to me, where
I was like, Wow, this person is you know, suing
me sure five years after the fact for something just
because I was successful after they were gone, they made

(35:48):
poor decisions, got fired or whatever, and just because my
time is so valuable now, my opportunity cost and fighting
this is going to be more expensive than giving them
some money for what they feel entitled to. I remember
that what that feels felt like that first time that
that like, and that's a lot to deal with. But
I think over time, like I mean, knock on wood, like,

(36:08):
I'm pretty I'm pretty resilient. Yeah, there's probably someone this couch,
but I think your resiliency as time goes on, like,
you're not gonna let people steer your joy.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
You know you're gonna that.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
My buddy Paul says said, you know you breathe in,
breathe out, move on.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
And it's and and and that's what I told him.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
What do you do when someone that you really love
betrays you and that you're you're left in this place
within whatever?

Speaker 3 (36:33):
And he said, it's just the cost of doing business.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Can you forgive? Not in that situation, but generally are
you good at forgiving?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I would say, as far as being a human and
being a friend, Yes, I would say yes. As far
as your business and things like that, when someone shows
you what they are and who they are, and you know,
I keep my charity with my charity and then so
in my business there's no place for that. But as
far as friends and things like that, yeah, I think
I've been forgiving. But I've also learned how to make

(37:05):
my boundaries a lot more rigid. You know, I spent
three years doing a full like vision spirit quest, all
myself working on myself being able to draw boundaries. And
once somebody shows you that they're not of the fabric
to be in your circle, and you know you've given
them a chance or two or whatever, then you move.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Those people out of your circle.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
But where the forgiveness comes in is like you still
wish them the best, Like somebody scues me over, It's fine,
I'm gonna be okay. I just don't want them around anymore.
I want them to be well, but I don't want
them to be in my circle anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
The other way though, meaning i feel like I've gotten
a bit better. I got a lot of therapy, but
I feel like I've gotten better at forgiving. Still like
good at it, I think just because I'm so, I
get in my protective shell and just don't talk to anybody.
I don't have rage, but my rage is like enter right,
and I just shut down. But I've also needed to
be forgiven right. And I used to not even care.

(37:59):
I would just be like, I screwed up. I'll just
never go back to that person again. Yeah, Like I
feel like I've grown in that. But if I'm getting
better at forgiving, but I'm also getting better at actually
asking and going, hey, I screwed up, Like are you are?
How would you say you rate on both of those sides.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Well, I don't think I'm a master of any of
those things, you know. I think that's something that you
that you work on as you as you go, you know.
I think being able to just say I was wrong?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Can you do that?

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I can do that.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I suck at that.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I can do it getting to the point where you
really fully see it because there there are there's there's
a lot of gray around perception, right, So it's and
it's like the perception of it, and it's like when
you when you hear somebody else out on their side
of the story and you see how it made them
feel I can empathize with that and understand, and I'm like,
I can say I'm sorry for my part what I

(38:51):
contributed to that feeling or whatever. But as my life
coach that I had would say, you know, everything is
a mirror, right, So she's like, Okay, what do you
seek the most in a partner like you? What's the
thing you seek the most? And I would say consistency
and she'd say, okay, well, then you need to be
more consistent with yourself. And that was like, so the
things we seek in other people is actually what we

(39:13):
need for ourselves and the things that we might be
our kind of achilles here that we don't see as much.
That was really interesting for me. But I'm a student
to everything. I'm a student to myself, to the relationships,
to whatever it is. But I've gotten better about going, Okay,
this person showed me who they are and I want
them to be great, but I don't want them to
be around me anymore. And the more that I've done that,

(39:35):
the more that I've kept my circle with people that
are expanders for me. If they're not on the same frequency,
same thing, just just because of precedent, it's just because
you used to hang out with this person.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
It used to be great, it used to be whatever.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Like you know, you, the people you surround yourself with
are a direct reflection of your level of success and
where you're going and what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I agree. The environment that you put yourself in or
you stay in definitely manifest itself into who you are,
because if you stay there long enough, that's going to
be who you are, or it's going to change because
of you. Right, the Bobby cast will be right back.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Mm hmm, this is the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
You play pickle ball.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
I have a pickleball court at my house.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I'm building one right there behind the place right now.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
You canna have a bridge for your dog already have
a bridge for my dog that goes over the pickle
ball court so he can watch.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah no, no, no, no, I'm not crazy. I mean
we did build out of plywood a Vegas skybridge for
our fat bulldog into the side yard because he would drown. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, they don't swim, they don't.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Then they they just sing. He's not a big farter
really yeah? No, basic? Yeah, big snore. You like bulldogs? Yeah?
You have everyone?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
No, you have ever had one? Fad French bulldogs. Oh man,
same thing.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
People like steal those in the street. Yeah, like just
see you. They wouldn't see you and steal your dog.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Though, there's things you learn about, like a tail pocket.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
So underneath their tail they have this prison.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Hey, this is my tail pocket, Bobby.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Like, if you're holding someone's immediately immediately be like all right,
first day in prison, I'll hold your pocket And they're like, no,
you don't have to do that.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
No I will, I'll do I know my right.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, well that's that's a good self defense mechanism. What's
what's a tail pocket? So frenchies have like underneath their tail,
they have this little like cavern where their little gnarly tail.
First of all, bulldogs haven't been able to procreate. They
would be extinct already. They're like the Dodo bird of dogs, right.
So so it's a process to doing all that you know,

(41:45):
like you know, and then you find out things about
them at you have them, like oh, the tail pocket
is infected. It's like this weird moist place that's on
the back side of the dog, and it's like, you know,
that's an ish, that's a thing. So you learn weird
things when you have dogs. It should be dead, but
they're not, should be extinct.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
So you spend a whole lot of money on yours
because it was always sick. And uh, it's because a
hundred years of genetic.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Yeah, I mean that's that's our story with his dog. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's wild. I mean, there are cool they're like
little gargoyles.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
He's the greatest. Yeah, and he's actually not that much
of an idiot. He likes to sleep a lot now,
but he's awesome. But yeah, he's because they just genetically
aren't supposed to exist. Yeah, and there's been so much inbreeding.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
People would say the same thing about people from Arkansas.
But I'm here. Hey, look at me.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
You're doing great.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I gotta I got a bridge for my dog to
walk over. You're pretty good.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
But it should be in the Arkansas Hall of Fame
for that dog bridge.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I don't know if anybody in Arkansas has a dog bridge.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I think I got into that when I just drove
across the border. Yeah, it was like I'm gonna I'm
gonna be somebody, and they were like, you're in the
Hall of fame. What's it. What are you a good
pickleball player?

Speaker 3 (42:53):
I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm working on it.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I me and the kids are out there and it's
just that time of year now too, where it's fun
where we're out there doing it. And what's weird about
it is you get a little bit better every time
you play. Just learn how to hit it and keep
it in the bounds. But I love anything that is
active and you're exercising without thinking about exercising.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
That's my whole thing too, Like I will work out
three or four times when my trainer. It sucks. I
hate exercise. I hate for the sake of exercise. I'll
do it, and I do do it, but I hate it.
But I love being act I like competing yeah, and
then you're exercising yeah, and you're like, man, that was fun,
and I just like totally, I don't have to go
to bench press right now. I will. I'm pretty good.

(43:34):
I did like two sixty. Look at me, not that
big a dude. Awesome to sixty. I'm old too, That's
why I shouldn't be doing max reps. I've done this
in high school. But I was like, let's see what
I can do now.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I hired a trainer about four months ago, and his
approach to everything is completely different than anything I've ever
seen or done.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
And eat during the lesson or whatev.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Seventy five percent of the workout is rolling on folam rollers, pasture, ball,
lacrosse balls, peanuts super important.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah, and that's how you keep the old man out.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I never got flexible and ever in my whole life
until like the last year. Spent so much time stretching,
and it has helped my performance. Like I don't know
what I'm doing, it has helped. I did tear my
My labor's good, but my rotator cuff tour twice right now.
It sucks. But I'm here doing this interview. I show
up so we'll be.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Talked about labs on.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Las laboram two different things. See, I got a book
for you to read. Make sure it's called a medical journal.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Okay, what do you so?

Speaker 2 (44:37):
What's what's fun for you right now? What's fun? Like?
I'm going to play pickleball my buddy when this is over.
I've been working since like four this morning. Awesome, just
a normal day, right. But what I do if I
get a second is I'm going to go play pickleball
when this is over. And that's how I don't think
about things for a minute until my mind starts running again.
What is that for you?

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Two things right now? So Thursday tomorrow, I'm gonna go
bow fishing. So I have a bowt fishing boat. You
got to go to the coast though, right, No, on
the river here?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Oh got it? Yeah, you have a boat fishing boat
on the river. Yeah, that'll be like having a yacht
on the lake.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
It's just a dis aluminum boat, that's not It just
had lights all the way around it. So you go
up front and you have a bow and arrow with
a with a reel on the so.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
It's a it's a like on the bottle bttom or
whatever kind of boat. But then you just you kind
of gear it to be up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
You run around at night and it shines the lights
and you can see where the fish are laid up
along the banks, and.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
You you miss a lot, but when you shoot and
you hit them, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
The bow attached you pull it back or is it gone? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, it has the arrows attached to a bottle of string,
and then you have a reel that reels that back
end so you shoot a big fish and then squeeze
a little handle and you reel the fish in pull
in that boat. There a fight you Oh, yeah, they don't. Yeah,
they don't want to come in, so they don't. You
don't kill them immediately, No, not necessarily. I mean if
you can, if you hit them in the head on
the right spot. So another my greatest source of that

(45:55):
recharge for me is spearfishing.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
That's got to be on the coast, right Usually usually.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
It's in the ocean. Yeah, but like Nationals last year
was held in a big lake.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
So Nationals, Yeah, there's competition, there's world teams. No, I
didn't compete, but it's my absolute favorite thing. So free
diving and diving, diving down and hunting fish.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
You me, you free dive, yes, then you go and
you hunt fish. Yes. Do you have to train and
just holding your breath, yes, you do.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
And you have to learn how to relax.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
You have to learn how to lower your heart rate
when you get in the water so you have more
time when you're holding your breath and you dive down
and swim down, you know. But I have friends that
I go with that are like my buddy justin Lee's
like one of the best in the world. He won
nationals last year the year before, and you know he
can go two hundred feet free diving and go down
and shoot fish two hundred feet down with no tank,
no nothing, just just a spear and some weights and

(46:50):
fins and a mask.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
But you only do that wrong once it's over. It's
not like you can do it wrong and get I
mean you do that wrong once. Yeah, but you go
you usually have somebody in the water with you.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
You want to have someone that that's you know, spotter
good enough to be there to kind of keep an
eye on in case you have a blackout or whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
But like this is Fiji, this this last year.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
What that fish looks as taller like and I've been
that's saltwater.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Right, saltwater? Yeah, God dang, it's a dog tooth tuna.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I feel like you could crawl in the mouth of
that thing.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's I mean there it is out
of the water.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Oh you could. It's as big as you are. So
how did you get into freaking spearfishing?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I went to the Bahamas and this old Bohemian guy
that was there, it's like a legend guy took me
spearfishing one time. It's like fourteen years ago, and I
just fell in love with it.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
You're challenging your breath, you're challenging the ocean, you're challenging
the fish, you're challenging the weather. It's like it's this
whole thing. But for me, it's one of the activities.
When I'm doing that. When I'm diving down, there's no chatter.
Chatter doesn't exist, so you're you're only in that moment
and it's so primal and you're so just connected to
the ocean and nothing else, and you feel small and

(47:59):
the greatest possible way.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Do you have trouble sleeping? Generally, no, unaided You can
just go to sleep.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
I take I take magnesium three and eight and magnesium stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
You know, Like, I don't know, you can go to sleep. Yeah, yeah,
I would think a guy like I. I don't really
I don't feel like I have anxiety in any way
until I fall asleep, and then I wake up, and
I feel like that's when it kind of sits and
wakes it because I don't feel anxious, like I'm rocking. Yeah, yeah,
I can get a lot done.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah well yeah, I have an overactive brain, for sure.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
But and so my thing for me. You may tell
you a secret that a lot of people don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, if it's gonna be a secret, i'll turn a
mic off.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, well it's okay, we'll leave it on, all right,
and whatever judgment might be out there. I use a
pea bottle through the night to just pee in the bottle,
pee in the bottle, because I got used to doing
that when I'm touring, because you're riding. You know, we
played three four shows in a row, so sleeping on
my bus, the bus is going down the road during
that day. For my voice, I drank two gallons of water.

(48:58):
So through the night I'm gonna pee two or three times.
So I have to get my pea bottle right by
the bed and you peeing it. Yeah, if you get
up on a moving bus, and I have an overactive brain, anyway,
you get up, you stub your toe, you bash your
head in the wall, you're awake, and then it.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Throws you off.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
So for people that have to do that, they make
nice big ones with lids, so it's not doesn't stink,
it doesn't spill.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
It's like, you know the deal.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
But you can't. You can't promise it doesn't stink, it
may not spill.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Well, I'm not saying you stick, you're facing it. I'm
just saying it to someone if someone else was around.
It's not like you're gonna smell this thing happening. And
I rent it out every day. But little things man one.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Step ahead of that. I just stay dehydrated.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
That's that's not an option for me.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
You never got to get up and pe if you're dehydrated.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
That's true. And then it's brown, right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
It's all different colors. Yeah, it's never sometimes bloody. Okay,
it's never bloody. Okiddy, what's the other trick you're about,
Tell me another one, Give me another one.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
So as a singer, you seen that pure gum. It's like,
you know, no no sweet no bad sweetener or whatever.
Yeah and whatever. So this is a thing that I
learned because I'll sleep on the bus and I'd wake
up if I wake up on my back with my
mouth open and I've been breathing and it's you know,
it's sucking all the moisture out of the air. There's
like three percent humidity. My throat will be dry and
i'd lose my voice the next day. So I sleep

(50:10):
with eight pieces of gum in my mouth when I
sleep at night, and it keeps saliva keeps going, it
keeps my throat from drying out.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
That's interesting. I think I would choke because I have it. Well,
it's a big enough piece.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
It's not just like a little one where it's going
to come out and be stuck in my beard or
something like that. So I you know, there's a little
like they look like chick lits or whatever, but it's
like healthy gum.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
No, I have the gum.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, I chew the gum. So I sleep with that
in my mouth now, and that keeps me from getting
dried out. It keeps me from losing my voice. So basically,
if I'm just playing guitar or building knives or whatever
I'm doing, I can go.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I can go on no sleep. I can do that
for a week or two at a time.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
If what I'm just saying, like, if you get four
hours of sleep at night, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Your voice is like taking care of a baby. If
you can do that, it's don't have a voice.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
No, I'm saying, I can't my voice. Taking care of
my voice is like taking care of a body. If
I don't sleep, if I don't nap, if I don't hydrate,
if I don't chew my gum, if I don't use
my pea bottle to keep from waking up in the
middle of the night, if I don't do all of
those things, if I don't do my CARDI So I
have a regimen like before I go. You know, when
I get up in the morning on the road, I'll
go do something in the city for a few hours,

(51:15):
come back, take a nap, I wake up, I eat something,
I work out to wake my voice back up again,
and then I come back in. I do a steam
shower to hidrate my voice. I've been drinking water all
day with this. Then I'll get cleaned up, do my
meet and greet, say hey everybody or whatever. Then I
come do my vocal warm ups with my vocal coachs.
Then I do my vocal warm ups with my band,
and then we play the show. If any of that

(51:37):
gets screwed up, if I don't get enough sleep, if
I don't hydrate, any of those pieces don't fall in line,
I'm gonna lose my voice.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Okay, but how much of that is your mind making
you lose your voice versus your body going I didn't
get what I needed. I'm losing my voice.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Oh, it's one hundred percent your body like it. It's
not a my mind.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I don't think that a bit of your mind. If
you miss one of them, you're gonna Because I freak
out all the time about sleep because I have to
talk for five hours a day, just just the morning
part of the show, Right, I freak out about sleep.
But if I freak out a whole lot, it then
manifest itself and meat like my body start not to
sleep the first or second time, but my psychological issue

(52:14):
then manifest itself into me losing my voice, which was
what I was scared about to begin with, which wouldn't
have happened to had it not.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Freaked out about it right right, Well, your cortisol, I
was like, ues could go up from stress where you're
like affecting your wellness for that day or whatever.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
That can definitely play into it. Because nights I try
to go to bed super early.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I wake up at like.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Two in the morning, why fucking awake, and I can't
do anything. So I kind of know what those things are.
But also the sleep cocktail that I take is magnesium
three and eight, which I learned this from Andrew Huberman.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I don't know if you listen to his podcast. He's brilliant physically.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
You guys remind me of each other, Like he's all
tatted up and like, yeah, super smart, and he talks
like you and you're like, oh, guys are actually really
smart and can beat me up. That sucks. That's how
That's what I said, Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
So I take magnesium three and eight, which is the
only magnesium that breaks the blood brain barrier, so it
actually relaxes your mind as well as your body when
you're sleeping.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
And then I take theenine l theenine, and then I.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Use this other little score bottles called lipocalm and it's
like Quicksilver Labs makes the stuff and it's I could
turn you onto it. So if I do those things
thirty minutes after I take those or whatever, I'll feel
more tired. But also if I've gotten my workouts and
my stretching and everything in that day, I'm also kind
of there if I don't. And caffeine's a big thing
for me too, So I can't drink caffeine on show days.

(53:24):
At all because it's a diuretic. It makes you flush water,
which makes you dehydrated. So you know, the amount of
caffeine that you take, and doing it earlier in the
day is good rather than later because that disturbs my sleep.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
It makes me. I feel caffeine in my teeth.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
If I drink like a big latte or something like,
I feel it in my teeths ahile like my teeth
and feel tighteror weird. It's like a weird thing, like
it affects me. So I'm sensitive to those kind of chemicals.
But if I take my sleep cocktail and I've worked
out that day and I've kind of you know, and
the other thing is just like trying to reduce the stress.
Like that's what Covid did for me, because having nineteen
businesses and trying to stay on top of those things

(54:01):
and just it's.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
A matter of math.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
If you have great people and there's only drawing my
five percent of the time, when you have two hundred
and fifty people, there's always eleven people that have a
problem and you have to help deal with that problem.
So the less brain damage that I put myself through,
the better I am. The less quartersol that I have
and the more chill that I'm going to be, so
that helps you to sleep as well. So you know,
if I focus on the things, that is just the

(54:23):
absolute best use of my time and and the things
that I enjoy spirit fishing.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
I also really enjoy playing Fortnite.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
I like to play Madden. I play my friends, only
my friends, but I lay Madden too. But I play,
and it's the only time I can really that or
like pickleballs, when I can turn my brain off, and
that's it.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
That's how I mind fuck myself into exercising. I would
go down to my arc trainer and I would play
Madden for an hour. And while I'm on the arc trainer,
like just moving my feet playing a game of Madden.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
So in my head, I'm going down to play Madden.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
But then that turned into Fortnite, and so now I play,
and I got a bunch of my friends are telling
me that I need to stream and do that stuff too.
It's but playing with my ca kids and then playing
with my friends all over that play and that's not
something I sit around the house doing all day like
I do that usually at night when after everything's kind
of done. But that's a great escape for me as
well because it's competitive and you get better at it

(55:12):
as you as you go and do those things. But
so that's that's a fun thing that I like to do.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.
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Speaker 2 (55:31):
Only gonna keep you like five or six more minutes.
But I got a few things. I'm gonna ask you
a question that my therapist asked me, but in a
very complimentary way where I'll go in and they'll say
one of my two we go to a couple's councilor too,
best thing we ever did before. We just we committed
to it very early on. It's very it's always uncomfortable

(55:52):
because it's like you, you don't go in to celebrate,
you know, but do that. I don't go and by
myself to celebrate. You go in you like to you
just as a fish as possible. And I go in
and it's like, what are you working on now? It's
like I'm writing a book, or I'm doing the radio show,
or I'm touring or that day is like, okay, what
are you running from? Because I fill up every minute

(56:14):
of every day hearing you talk about everything that you're doing.
What are you running from? What are you running too?
Why so much all the time?

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Again, I say that I've actually cut back a lot,
like I was forced to cut back a lot, and
then I realized the value in that that I shouldn't
have been doing all of those things. I shouldn't have
been taking up so much of my capacity, because my
creativity is buried underneath the fucking chatter and the effort
it takes to just try to get things even.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
So I'm running toward that. I'm running towards ease.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I'm running towards choosing an acceptable amount of things to
get done in a day, and to try to do
those things really well. I'm running toward trying to be
in the best shape that I've ever been in, you know,
nutrition wise, investing, you know, you turn forty, your warranty
runs out.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I hurt all the time.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
And so if you don't, if you don't start investing
in all the things that make you feel good, then
your life experience. You can either suffer your whole life,
or you can suffer a little bit every day and
just do these things that help make you feel better,
so you have more to give and more to do that,
because that's the sugar man, the greatest thing, the real
joy comes from serving other people.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Well, what were you running from? Then? Sounds like you're
healthier now running from? Yeah, I mean you do one
hundred and seven things. What are you trying to do it?
What are you running from?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I guess I'm running from old versions of myself and
trying to be better, you know, I'm running from I'm
running from the patterns that I would find myself in.
And it's like, how did I end up here again?
And it's by my choices, and it's things that aren't
always intuitive, you know. I mean, being too generous can
end you up in really bad situations.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
That's that's my nature.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
My nature's to do that because I always want to
feel I always want to err on the side of
generosity with people, even if they do me wrong. I
want to end on the side of generosity, not for them,
for me, because I don't ever have to look back
and think I didn't do the right thing in that moment. So,
but if you're too generous with people, if you give
people cars and houses and things like that or whatever,
it kind of ignites a certain kind of greed or

(58:23):
entitlement in them. Then it changes the relationship and it's
kind of like the right the wrong. The part of
human nature that reacts to that is, well, why don't
you give me more? Where's the next thing? How's that
going to becoming? How's it going to be doing? So
the old part of myself like studying the old part
of myself and the ways I was fucking up my
current state of zen were doing things that I felt like, well,

(58:49):
I have enough to give. I want to share this
with people or whatever. Being more careful of how I
share that preserves the relationship a lot better. So just
telling someone that works for me, hey, an awesome job,
thank you, you kill it, and then you know there's
a Christmas gift and a bonus or whatever it is,
but not being not interjecting my generosity into these things
too far because it ends up having a negative result

(59:11):
even though it was a positive thing.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
So I'm learning.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I'm trying to learn that within my my interpersonal relationships,
and you know, if I'm dating someone or whatever, it's like,
what is that level of doing it? Because I'm a
give all motherfucker. That's just how I'm made. So I
have to limit some of that sometimes in some ways bio.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
That might change my bio to give all, but that
in mind, that's what I want to recalled. Yeah, I
give all.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I like to put myself into things and I like
to love on my people.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
But are the way that you do that?

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Sometimes?

Speaker 1 (59:41):
There's a really badass book called Sway. That book was
very enlightening. They did all these studies of like, you
know how what someone intuitively, what we do intuitively is like, hey,
if you want to fix this, give them some money
so to help them fix their problem.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
But they don't spend the money on fixing their problem.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
They spend it on something else and then they're just
asking for my money and it just makes the problem worse.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
So it's a right, right, but there's a psychology.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Around it all. It's like, can somebody give me tools?
And that's why I do therapy as well. That's why
I applaud you for doing it, because we're not born
with these tools, right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
We need we need things to go. What do we
do when this thing happens?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
And it's like, here's a tool, and if you practice
that long enough you can see a result, Like I'm
getting a better result in my life because I was
given this tool to do this, So doing therapy, finding people, mentors,
asking questions, getting as much as many tools as you
can so that you can handle these things in a
good way and have a better result, because the results
really all that matters. Like and it's like, Okay, I

(01:00:40):
have to do these hard things. I have to not
give myself fully in these ways to get a better result.
And so I'm just always curious, like what is that?
What's the tool?

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Tell me? Tell me what's you know? Because I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I'm not someone that really lives on ego around things.
You know, if somebody has a better way of doing something,
that's why it works great when you find the right songwriter.
The best idea wins. Always doesn't have to be my idea.
I don't care. But you both know it when you're
with somebody and you can lay your ego down and
you write something and somebody comes up with something and
you're like, there it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
We've been looking for that for two hours.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
There it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
We both can recognize it, and it's like, fuck, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Or ten years or ten years, Yeah, it may take
ten years to get the right thing, but you know,
what you shouldn't compromise, you know, to get things to
that level ten experience, like do you want to write
something it's okay, you want to write something that's fucking great,
and then you're always hear and you're like, I got
every line of that song the way I wanted it,
and that's all that matters. It's not really about it
being perfect, because you're never going to be perfect. Let's

(01:01:36):
get it where you want it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Got two final questions for you. It seems from thirty
thousand feet up that you and your band are closer
than the average person in their band. And I don't
know this specific relationship you have with every one of them,
and that's not what I'm asking. But if that is true,

(01:02:00):
how do you stay a boss and a friend. I've
hired all my friends my whole life. Yeah, seventeen twenty years.
I've had to learn by doing things wrong on how
to be a boss and a friend. And you can
do it both. But it is tricky. But what is
it for you? How do you do it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
It comes along with a lot of time. It comes
along with them really trusting my judgment on things. They
don't question my judgment anymore. I think in the beginning,
I had to stand up and say, look, if there's
eight ideas and everybody wants their idea to win, there's
not ever a solution.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
You can't ever finish anything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
But I think the people in my band, we all
love each other and we trust each other and also
trust them to challenge me if there's something that's like, hey,
they think this can be better, let me listen to here.
My bass player just text me the other day. He
sent me a version of a song that we did
last week, and I thought one of my guys missed
an entrance on the thing. I'm like, hey, remind them
that they missed the interests And he sent it to
me and it was actually me, I missed my entrance

(01:03:03):
to it, which you know, he came in at the
right place, but in my mind, I thought he needs
to be mindful of that or whatever. And he was like,
I'm not trying to challenge you. I'm like, dude, always
challenge me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
You know, to win though. Yeah, So Mike, while you laughing, buddy,
you got it win if you points something out like that.
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm just saying, yeah, I agree, like challenge,
but if you do, you better make sure you win. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Well, and to me that that's the thing and having
incredible people. The people in my band are all exceptional
human beings. They're all dynamic people, but we share a
love for music, every one of us, and we all
want to get it right. Because there's nine people in
the band, right, if everybody's playing on something, what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
You don't play is just as important as what you do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
So a lot of times we'll go in, all nine
of us will play something, then I'll subtract sixty percent
of all of it and that's what serves the song.
But they ultimately know and can trust I'm going to
pick what serves the song, and then they play their
role in doing that. So they're like the ultimate orchestra
for me. They're as much or as little as it
needs to be for that thing, whatever serves it, and
they don't have egos about it. We don't have egos

(01:04:04):
about arriving at the best solution, and I think that's
what makes it go around. But I can't I watch
like the Egos documentary, like they.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Hated each other. I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
I could not work or live in an environment where
I hated the people I worked with.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I'm not capable. I'm too close to that people, I
mean literally physically too close to have to hate and act.
And if I'm acting and I'm uncomfortable, I'm not creating
at my best.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
So bad energy, bad vibes does not work, and it
takes sucks away the creativity. And I'm so blessed to
have the band that I have because they're all extraordinary
human beings and extraordinary musicians, and we all serve the
song and we serve the live performance. Whatever makes that
the best, that's what we do. But ultimately someone has
to be the leader, and they're trust me with that role,

(01:04:46):
and I have to have last say on whatever. It is,
not for my ego, but because my instincts have gotten
us where we are and they trust my instincts, and
that was earned.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Doesn't just happen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
I feel like you're saying what I think all the time.
I'm just gonna play this. People listen to what Zach says,
but it's actually like, okay, look two things, not even
questions too. I want to We talked about a lot
of the new music the ACM before you came in,
so all the business was covered. I wanted to spend
this time just kind of get to know you in
a way that I've never really got to know you
although we've spent time together. Yeah, you rarely get like

(01:05:19):
this forced intimacy, which is what this is in the
best way.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Yeah, because it's not pulling on us or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
So two things. Number One, I will say it again.
I've said it to you and I've said it to
other people. I believe with all my heart that you
guys are the greatest country band to ever exist.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Thank you. That's a huge honor.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
And there are some there's some good ones, there's some
great ones. But I do think that what you have
produced and what you have kept consistent is and I
don't even want to put you in the band category,
but I will because you're a band for the I
do think you're the greatest country band of all time.
And I think there were real misses too, where not

(01:05:57):
by you, but by the industry, which again, you can't
care about the industry to create how you create, and
that's part of how you create. And at times, and
I've been I'm not going to even say victim, the
victim of it where I do things my way, but
I can't be mad. Sometimes when the industry goes, we
don't like it, so we're not gonna ward you things,
right because I do things that are absolutely counter of
what I've been told I'm supposed to do. I do
think there have been times where you guys were you

(01:06:19):
just undeservingly didn't get what you deserved. Because we're gonna
look back in twenty years and you know you're gonna
be sixty something and it's going to be known. It's like,
oh yeah, obviously that was the Derek Jeter of I mean,
you guys do that, but you're still in it. You're
still in your prime right now, and it's really rare,

(01:06:40):
I think to understand what an artist is in the
middle of being awesome and they're still doing it. A
lot of times we just know later I look at
that body of work, who even knew they were that great?
So that's a compliment for me to you. I believe
the greatest country band in the history, and not even
in the band space and live aside from the music

(01:07:01):
that you make and produce, it's the best live band show.
I've never actually considered like it'd be Top three, and
I wouldn't even have a ranking i've ever seen you
guys are that good?

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Uh so I want to say that. And I don't
know if whatever awards you're up for. We talked about
the Acmosulf. I hope you win everything. I know what
it's like to not win, to be like, well this sucks.
But then I got to go, you know what, you
don't play by the rules, So why do you expect
to be rewarded by the rules.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, I can't. You can't be measured by those wins.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I still get but I still get up. I still
get mad sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Yeah, I get mad for other people too. I get
mad for people that really deserve to be heard. And
I wish I wish in some ways that country music
was like the Olympics, right, that the people that are
the most extraordinary and then they write the most extraordinary
things would be the ones that get the attention and

(01:07:56):
get those things. Sugenctive though it is, it is, I
mean it's very and it's like, you know, who's the
greatest guitar player ever? Like they're it's you can't really
decide that that thing. I wish that there was sometimes
a little bit higher bar for what is accepted and celebrated,
but those people aren't the most exploited sometimes and living

(01:08:20):
outside of those things. So we accept our wins every
night that we sell out a stadium, every night, that
we sell out a ballpark, like, that's that for us
is our wins. So we win our awards every night
and our mind my band of that. It's hard bringing
my band to ordshow after ward show after ward show
and never winning. But we're not really one of their
horses necessarily, So that's okay because we don't have to

(01:08:43):
be anything other than ourselves and we get to play
for people, and we get to do what we love
to do, and we fucking win.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
And what kept you from winning awards is what made
you wildly successful at the same time, Yeah, for sure
doing it differently, Like so I wanted to say that
to you. And then secondly, uh, I don't know what.
I don't know what Kenny's thinking. He said, come on
after you, guys. He's out of his mind. He's out
of his and I love Kenny, and Kenny doesn't like

(01:09:09):
nobody have ever seen, he plays stadiums. He's that guy.
If there's one artist I am not coming on after,
it's you, guys. What is he thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I love I love Kenny's you know tenacity man, He's
he's great. And I watched I watched the first half
of the show after he played or whatever, and he's
bringing the energy, man, he's bringing the love and pulling
those things together. And his model, he created his own model.
You know, he's not it's his own promoter, his own
I mean, he works with his own group to do everything, management, everything.

(01:09:39):
So Kenny, I tip my hat to Kenny because you
know he's a force man and he's he's done it.
And when when this thing came up to being able
to do it, and you know the big thing, my baby.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Next year we're going into the sphere.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
You are going to do that or you want to
do we are.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Really we're going in the sphere. We're gonna do a
residin see the sphere, my baby. And so this year,
because of the Kenny opportunity, we're only playing basically one
day a week, but that gives me six days a
week that I don't have my kids that I can
work on my baby, which is the sphere and what
we're going to do in the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Sphere visually, sonically.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
The whole thing, the concept, everything about it, and I've
got an incredible team I've put together to help me
to do this thing, working on it, but you have
to come to see us at the Sphere.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
It's the greatest.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
It's the greatest canvas for creativity and video that's ever
been created ever.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
That's all. The fish was fish. You see the fish fish.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Yeah, I want to see them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Did you like the car inside the Sphere? And you
know talking about Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
What FIST did was a different concept because they did
sixteen hours of music.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
They did four four hour nights of music.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
They never played the same song twice, and they never
did any of the same video content twice. So theirs
was not as it wasn't utilizing what the place can
fully do, but it was giving them the biggest.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Craziest backdrop they've ever hat.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Sure, so I didn't know what it was going to be,
but I went to see it and I was like, Okay,
I get it now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
But possibilities were You're just blown away at the possibilities
when you saw it the first.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Time when I when I went to see the thing,
when you two was loading in before the building was
open and saw what it was, and the possibilities or
whatever it's like, this is my moment, this is my
moment to create something that so far exceeds everyone's expectations
that we're in a different category now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
And that's our plan. So when do you march next year?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
So here's my idea and we're gonna end on this.
You're not gonna like it, but whatever, it's better than
plural ar mules though I can't even say it. So
you see how hard this is? Singing like everybody sing
along plural ar see even just be a disaster. But
this is what I want to do. I want to
do like a small documentary of me in a large

(01:11:51):
band faking playing instruments the whole night, like a saxophone
one you don't I'm not even plugged.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
In, right, just have a track plan and you're just know,
I don't even you don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Have to have a saxophone playing. But I'm just over
on the side, just riping a saxophone with the band, right,
switch it out next thing you do, and I'm playing, okay,
So and the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Whole are you going to be yourself or be something else?
Like I have someone disguise used to know they.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Have to dis guise me a little bit so they
don't know what the shoke, but just me going to town.
I wanted to do it in like a big band,
like uh, you know, Brian sits the orchestra, that type
thing with all that, and just act like I'm on
a horn the whole time and see if anybody even
notices and do that and see if anyone ever posts
what this guy's played like every instrument and I've not
heard him once. At one point I got like the drug.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
You know, okay, so they wouldn't be any audio of
supporting it, just be no no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
But also you don't acknowledge it. You never acknowledge it's fake.
No one ever even looks over it makes a deal.
But I'm like, given to the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Tuba, all right, when are you gonna do this?

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
I don't know. I'm trying to find the right partner.
It's been to be about ten years figured out, but
I'm gonna get to it, okay, Yeah, okay, Look, we
talked about tie up everything, all the business this we
did before you came in. I appreciate you giving me
an hour to just hang and talk to you and
get to know you a little better. All the all
the cool things that are happening now. I mean, it's

(01:13:14):
absurd to have a goal of doing something amazing, but
if you don't have that goal doing something amazing, that
absurdity will never happen. That's true. And You've always been
that guy that's like, we're selling out, we're doing it big,
we're doing it bigger. Let's keep going bigger, and like
that inspires me because I'm like, let's go, let's go.
So to see you continue to do this that that's

(01:13:35):
that's that's really cool. And you're still in your freaking prime.
And I give you I don't have any literal flowers,
but I give you my creative flowers.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Thanks brother. Hey you too, man. I've watched your career
climb and get you get where you are and I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Got to do a bridge. I'm tested. I was gonna say,
tapped out. Man. Once that bridge went up, I was like,
you're still doing I've accomplished it all. And also I
don't like the compliments. I'm gonna move off, but good
to see you, Mike. Anything for for Zach, when did
you fully commit to the tattoos? Because right now I
just got my second one, and I'm like, I kind
of want to go and get a little further, Like
how like what point did you say I'm going fully committing?

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
You know, I love art so much, and you get
to carry a certain art around with you, so you
better find things that you like and that you like
to look at and do. And then just I think,
over time, I just kept finding things, things that meant
something to me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
It's kind of like a map of my life on me,
and it's art that I get to carry with me
and things that have meaning, you know. It just I
think over time it just keeps you just keep adding
to it. It's like anything else, man, It's just a journey.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
So in your journey, you just keep finding something that
means something to you and just keep adding to it.
And then all of a sudden, enough time goes by,
you look down You're like, I got a bunch tattoos.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
It was never like I'm just gonna be all tatted up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
It wasn't a goal like I'm gonna go because that's
what I would do, be obsessed with getting my whole
body cover.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Oh, after you get one, you're definitely gonna want more.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
I got like six all in one off. Yeah. Yeah,
Like the picture of you I have here. I don't
even even seen it yet, but I thought it'd be
weird to show you. But yeah, once I got referred
to as the tatted up guy, I felt good by that. Yeah, yeah,
don't forget about it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Yeah, they are kind of addictive when but then it
takes away from my spear fishing sometimes. If I know
if I'm going to be tattooed and I can't swim
for a week, like that's kept me from getting a
lot of tattoos in the last year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Should be like, look at the tatto dude coming down.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
He's kind of camouflage. It's kind of camouflage.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Actually, it's that good to talk to you about it too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Thank you, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production
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