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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You have done this kind of thing for me more
than once, and somebody taking a chance on you is
how it happens.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Episode four to seventy three, Sarahbeth Tait. I do not
want to say what we do later in this, but
I almost got tears. Yeah, I got me too. It
got me. I didn't want to say what it was.
And most of the time when someone gets emotional, and
hers wasn't even a sad. It wasn't a sad emotional.
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Hers was like a wow emotional. I just sit and
let them be in the moment, even if it's awkward
for a minute, because I want what naturally happens to
happen and I'm okay with it. And you could feel
it in the room. They were just like this energy
that happened. I was like, oh, what am I feeling now?
Like I almost started to cry and not boohoo, but
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like I fought back the tears. So I'm a big
fan of Sarah Beth Tate. She had remind me of
the first time that I ever even knew who she was.
Because it's been so long, we've done so many things together.
And what's even funnier is that I actually remember because
after that TikTok thing happened that she talks about because
I just you're here. I just saw her on TikTok
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and did a duet. I didn't sing with her. I
just said, are you good to come on the show?
She then said, and Amy remembered this that she ran
into Amy, her and her husband did it like a
restaurant or a grocery store, no fids. Yeah, I think
Amy's here by the way a Whole Foods and said
hi Amy, but never said she was an artist.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It was never that like I'm a new artist. She
was just like Ay. And then when I saw her
on TikTok and she came in. She later told that story,
and I was blown away at two things. One that
had happened that's fun, but too that she never tried
to tell Amy she was an artist. She was just like,
oh my god, I listen to the show and I
thought that was like super cool. Like I respected it
that she didn't try to push that she was an artist.
But I'll say this about Sarah Beth Tait that the
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promo stuff. She has a project called The Way We Started.
It's a five song EP. I think she's a very
unique storyteller. Something happens in this that made the old
rock that has very little emotion have a little emotion.
I'm talking about myself, yeah, because mostly I can separate
myself from real life at during these and I'm just
doing a job. That's a thing. So check out the
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way we started here. She is Sarah Beth Tait. I
work out with Kevin all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Ken, Yeah you do.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I know you work out with Kevin.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Talking about you.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I was working out with Kevin.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Might just see record. We'll see what this is. Good.
By the way, everybody, thank you. We Sarah Beth Tate
go ahead, continue.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I was working out with Kevin when he was unloading
out of a buick.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, I've seen those pictures.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I so and now I don't work out.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I've been with Kevin like four years, wow, maybe three
and a half. Like a real relationship.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
That's a long relationship.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
That's also like when you work out with somebody like
a trainer. That's very intimate for sure, because you're spending
an hour. However many times a week for me, it's
usually three times a week. Like it's just you and
you and him or you and whomever it is.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, and he and he pushes you.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, like I get pissed, Like I go hard. I
used to get pissed, but I'm like every once in
a while, I was like, dude, chill out.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I know we got.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Close because I was always looking at him like I
cannot do that. I know that you think it's fun
to make me try to do that, but I cannot
do that. And I couldn't even I didn't even know
how to do a squad or anything when I started
with him.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So you ended up doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I ended up doing it, and I was so mad
at him as I was doing it.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I'm mad at him right now. I'm still mad. Yes,
for no reason. I really like you. I'm glad to hear.
It's the first time you've been over here for this. Yes,
you've been to the show obviously a couple of times,
and you've been out, but you haven't been over for
like long forms so super cool. When I came in,
I was like, oh, you're one of the few I like.
So I don't know how long have we known each.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Other, you're one of the few I like. I think
we met in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I think it's that long. Huh. Yeah, but you include
same Day you and Kevin Kluk, Same Day, Big day
of my life.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
It's a long relationship.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I think I want to say twenty twenty because it
was when my first kind of viral TikTok thing was happening,
and I was one of the first on that train.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I feel like, so you're going to have it was
so different.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So this is how I know that we have kind
of a list of experiences together and a bit of
time together. I don't even remember that, Like, I don't
even know what it was. I don't even know how
I met the first time, because again, we've just done stuff,
and you've done the show and we've done so I
don't remember. What's it.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
That's a good thing, I guess.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I agree, No, I completely do, because there are people
that I've had on the show a bunch of times
or friends of mine that I'm just like, I have
no idea how it originally happened, because that's because they're
four or five or six other things that are also
involved in that, And I don't remember the first time.
What was that? What did you do? How did you
come up? Did I invite you from?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
So I remember it because it was a great day
in my world, I started getting messages just my phone
just started blowing up one day that you had shared.
I think you did a duet on TikTok of my
song long Way and invited me on the show.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So was I just was I holding up like words
or anything next to you while you were playing?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
No, I don't remember. See, this is what's funny. My
talk was so different that I'm like, what was I doing?
I don't know how you did it, Mike?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Do you remember? I think you were just like a
side by side do it?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It was, yeah, because I can remember that, but I
don't know if I was just like watching her And
at the end I was like, hey, you should come on.
I don't remember. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
You you put you like typed.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It feels like a homecoming, like when you asked, that's
what it feels like. We're describing, don't have prompos. I
was like, where you go to? That's what it kind
of feels like in my head. Hey, you were a
bunch your candy balloes the whole thing. Did you start
on TikTok early?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Like I just remember, so I didn't really know. I
thought TikTok was just only dancing, and I don't. I
don't do that type of thing. So my husband was
the one. Colby was like, you've got to get on TikTok.
There's people posting demos and songs, and I just feel
like your songs need to be on here. People need
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to hear your songs. And I was like, well, that
sounds like something I can do. As long as I
don't have to dance to my songs, then I should
be good.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And so he was like my TikTok manager early on,
and we just had so much fun with it, and
it really I just posted that demo one day and
it went crazy, which.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Is funny because looking back, like the metrics were so different,
like going insanely viral. It wasn't millions and millions and
millions of likes.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It was just I don't know, a million, remember it
was significant back then, a million exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Everything was so there just was It wasn't so saturated,
and it was really fun to just watch it. Instagram
didn't have reels. Instagram had never I'd never had any
traction on social media really ever before. It wasn't something
that I had focused on, and so it was really fun, crazy,
a good old.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Day stage of your life. Now, do you hear Mike,
She's like back in the good old days, back in TikTok.
He's finally there.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I just turned twenty seven, and I'm like, oh, when
I was yeng, that's about right.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's when it first starts to happen. The first good
old day stage is right when you're creeping up on
thirty a couple of years out. Yeah, you're getting there. Welcome. Yeah,
I've been through a few good Old day stages at
this point.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
When did you move to Nashville seventeen?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Ten years twenty seventeen?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No, I was seventeen. It was twenty six, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Wait, you moved to nashvilleen you're seventeen. Yeah, I don't
think I knew that.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, with who?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
With who?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
By myself? I had a roommate that I've tried.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Did you finish high school?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Early, So you finished school. What's your parents situation? Are
they together?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Are they alive? Well?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I don't know, like mine are and aren't. So I
always feel free asking that because I was.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
They they're together, they're alive, they're amazing, and they they
let me, They let me do this, which now I
just think is I mean, I thought it was the
coolest thing then, But how'd you.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Have a kid now a baby?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I'm just amazed at them letting me come chase the stream.
But we had, I mean, i'd been I said, my
first publishing deal when I was fourteen.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
And how did you even know people? At fourteen?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I got a publishing deal basically on my first trip
to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And how did you know where to go on your
first trip to Nashville? At fourteen?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I found NSAI online in Colorado just doing Google search.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Explain what NSAI is.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
It's a it's an organization.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That really just helps songwriters and creatives in this town
really grow and be championed. And I knew nothing about
it back then, but I knew that they were having
it was called a song Posium, and they were having
just a week where they were holding all these classes
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on music grow and so you could go to I
remember sitting at as Cap listening to Scott Hendricks give
give a talk on.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Record labels. And yes, I was fourteen and.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I to a talk talk.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I just I knew that I wanted to learn this
business and It was my fourteenth birthday actually, and my
parents said, well, you know, we'll take you out for
your birthday if you I mean, what are we going
to do when we get there?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And I said, this, this is what we're gonna do
when we get there.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And I think my first class on my first day
was how to get a publishing deal one on one?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
How much music had you played at fourteen? Even around
the house?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
A lot around the house, but not much else.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Did you play guitar at all at fourteen?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yet?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Where did you get your guitar?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
For my piano teacher?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Ironically, I'd been playing piano for most of my life,
and my piano teacher introduced me to the guitar. She said,
I think you would love I was probably ten or eleven.
She's like, I think you'd love this. And I borrowed
hers for the weekend and taught myself online basically, and
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you know with country music, I mean, I really I
knew four chords and that was all I needed to know.
And I was learning songs and I was that's really
what inspired me to write and to just kind of
start fitting melodies to and lyrics together. And they were
I mean, I was fourteen. Sure, they're not good, They're
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not you know what I'm writing now, But it was
it was just the start of that, that creativity and
love for it that brought me here. And I just
I felt I was already in love with country music.
I knew that this is where it was all happening,
and I just.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
How'd you know it was all happening nashal the TV show.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
No, No, it was well before that, thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
But it was really honestly, I loved Reeba McIntyre. I
loved I really loved classic country music. And at some point,
as I started researching Loretta Lynn and Tammy Whynett and
I mean I was watching YouTube videos of Dolly and
Porter Wagner, and I just was like, oh, Okay, there's
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people who write the songs and they make a living just.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Writing the songs.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And this is where all of this is happening, is Nashville.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So I didn't know much else.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I just knew I needed to get here, and I
barely knew what a publishing deal was.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
But yeah, I don't know that. I was like thirty,
You're like, I just figured, well, I was like people
that seeing them don't write them what like, I was
shocked the first time that I kind of learned that.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
It's shocking.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, you just expect if it's being said with someone's mouth,
they also wrote it with their brain, and that's not
the case a lot of times sometimes it is, you know, Yeah,
I was culture shocked whenever I learned that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And artists, I feel like, especially the country artists that
we grew up listening to, like I feel like they
did such a great job of making you feel like
they were a part of writing that and like that
was their story. So yeah, it's like it's like a
curtain being pulled back when.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You realize, yeah, and good and bad both come from it. Yeah,
there's there's some greatness to it as well. I like
artists that are really good songwriters but still will find
a song they didn't write and still pick it because
that shows how secure they are as a songwriter. And
that seems like it's counterintuitive. And I'll use Cole Swindell
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as an example. And I like Cole, but Cole to
an album like Cole writes. Col's a really good writer,
but Cole will have three or four tracks on his
record he didn't write, and I'd be like, so you
didn't write this one. And a lot of times I
won't even wade into that water. If you didn't write
this with somebody, I'll just be like, hey, why'd you
pick this? Or But with Cole, I know he's so
secure as a writer and he's so good, I'll be like,
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so you didn't write this one. Why And he's like,
they wrote what I was trying to say better than
what I could have said. And he and his thing
is he helps people pick his songs that he writes
in the same way that it all kind of evens
out in the mix. Yeah, But I always respected that
about Cole and that he's like, I feel like I'm
a really good writer, but sometimes people just write things
better than what I could have written it, and I'll
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select it and sing it and give them all the praise,
and hopefully people are doing that to me.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I love that so much.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
And I think to be in this town, especially to
be a writer in this town, you know, to think
that we always have the best song in our writer catalog,
I just feel like that's a naive thing to think,
because there's just there are so many quality, incredible songs
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being written here every day that are never seeing the
light of day.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
How often are you writing now?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
A few times a week?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It brother still.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's honestly, it's like my favorite part of this whole.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Process, Like where.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Are you in the process, because I have a lot
of questions about like your superhero origin story, but I'm
just curious about the process and where you are now
because I've been talked you in a while, Like, so
you write a few times a week? Yeah? Obviously, I
know you had a baby. Yeah, and I just heard,
well read do you have another baby?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I'm having another baby?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
That's public?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Right, yeah, yes, another girl.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
So how does he feel about two girls?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Colby's pumped, He's you know, we this is just what
we know now. We're like, we don't know what we
would even do with the boy.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
We have a girl dog.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
We're just girls.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
It's all girls.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And Kobe, your process, Tell me where you are in
the process as a as an artist, as a creator.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Just I just put out my EP that I uh
got to work on with.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
In August, right, August YEP.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Got to work on that with Nathan Chapman and Parker Welling,
And I just think, you know, creatively, creatively, this is
the time that I am the most proud of anything
that I've done in the past ten years. You know,
you have you have different moments that are successes along
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the way, and this project was really just something even
before we put it out that I just felt like, Wow,
this was like, my I've made it moment because I
got to work with some.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Of the most.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Talented, in my opinion, some of the most talented people
in this town who when I got here when I
was fifteen sixteen starting out. I mean I would have
died if you told that girl that I got to
work on a project with the writers I got to
write with and the producers, and so that in and
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of itself has been a special process. And I've really
worked on that for like a year and a half really,
so that was a long time coming.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Were you writing, creating, and then beating yourself at certain songs,
meaning you probably wrote a bunch of songs. I don't
know how many you didn't record or how many of
you started recording, I don't know. Would you write songs
back I think this is one I really feel pasionate about.
Then you would kind of beat it and then go,
you know what, I think, what I'm trying to accomplish.
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This one's better. I'm not going to use the other one.
Did that happen at all in the process.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It did to the point where that happened. When we
were done, we had mastered four songs and we were
completely We thought we had put a bow on this project.
And then right before the end of the year, I
wrote a song and I just knew. I mean, I
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love that feeling when you leave the writing room and
you just feel like you got something good. Sometimes you
have that feeling and then two weeks later you're like, Wow,
that was terrible.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
But this one just kind of stuck.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And I was just kind of hoping that Nathan and
Parker and the team would all kind of see what
I did in it.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But you're talking about there are five songs.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
On there's five songs that this was the fifth.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It's pretty good living And I ended up actually just
posted a clip of it to TikTok and Instagram just
to kind of see what would happen. I mean, I
loved it so much. Colby and I loved it. We
would listen to this demo on repeat in our house,
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in our car, and I just thought, I wonder if
I'm crazy or if other people might like this as
much as we do. And it just took off and
Nathan I posted it. It took off, and Nathan was
texting me right away. He was like, you know, we
have to add this to the And I was.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Like, I was hoping you would say that.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
So just the fact, you know that that they would
be willing to dive into a fifth song so late
in the game as well, just really like we definitely
had beat any other song that would have been that
fifth slot. We beat it, and it was after the fact,
and that happens sometimes, and I think, you know, creatively,
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we were all willing to just roll with it and
make it work.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Where are you at now? Publishing deal? Not anymore? No,
no publisher. So how do you are you writing with
these super legit people? Do they just think you're good?
It is respecting.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I ask myself this.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I'm not asking a way of an insulting we. I'm
just saying, no. I I saw Scott Steppa Coffee and
I've writen Scott way back in the day and like, yes.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, because you guys were both at Black River.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
We were. Yes, my very brief tenure of being on
a record label yes.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
So fun. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah. So when I saw the people that you had
written with, I was like, oh, that's it's legit. Yeah,
so they must like to write with Scott. You don't.
It's almost like you need somebody to set that up.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So, you know, for anybody who doesn't know how it works,
I mean typically you sign the publishing deal and the
publisher is who gets you into all of the rooms
that you can't get into yourself, because you're right, you know,
these writer the time is so important for them. I
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mean the day that they spend writing is important. And
everybody's trying to make the most out of their day.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And going to work like you go to work to
make money exactly. Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
So it's valuable and it's hard to get into those rooms,
especially with the people that you want to get into
rooms with.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
And I haven't had a publishing deal. I think my
last deal ran out. I think I was maybe eighteen
nineteen when my last deal ran out. I was terrified.
I mean I thought I had just always had that.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'd had a couple different polishing deals by then, and
I just I thought, what am I going to be
without that on my resume? Or to be able to
get into rooms. And there's just something about this town
that just it just continues to amaze me. How I mean,
I met Parker Welling. I don't know if you know
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Parker personally, but she's just she's a hit songwriter. She
wrote Yours for Russell Dickerson, She's wrote, I mean a
million other things that you guys have heard on the radio.
And I mean I was star struck by her as
a writer for years. And my management team just got
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a message from her one day saying that she wanted
to write with me because she saw a clip of
me singing at Whiskey Dam a song that yeah, and
she she and I connected and became friends, and she
just dove in with me and said, you know, I
want to I want to.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Help get you into room.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I want to help you get you into the rooms
that are going to elevate what you're already doing because
I believe in this and to have to have that
kind of thing happen without some of the criteria that
I thought I needed to have has has just been
honestly mind blowing to me. And fast forward to other,
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you know, rooms like with Nathan Chapman and Scott stepakov
and I mean just countless other I mean, I feel
like I have the writing schedule that I have dreamt
of and I don't have anybody opening those doors for me.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
It's just me.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
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Speaker 2 (22:36):
So do you want to publish Angel? Yes, it's it's
the goal. Are you? Are you like shipping songs? Hey?
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Like, what can I help you do?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You know, it's funny, I'm at a point where I've
spent a lot of time, kind of spent a lot
of time ten years knocking on doors and you know,
taking the meetings and doing the thing. And I think
I'm really at a point now where it's not a
necessity anymore for me. It's not a I have to
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have the poishing deal to be successful. I have to
have a record label to be successful. And so now
I am truly just focused on creating the best music
that I can, fostering these incredible relationships and friendships that
I have, and just enjoying it. And then I think,
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you know, maybe then the right team will come along
with that once I'm already enjoying myself.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And yeah, I think too. You're seeing, especially with labels,
it's becoming more and more prevalent that people don't have
labels because they don't need labels. Meaning if you don't
need the promotion, that's what a label does, right, Yeah,
And so I have friends that aren't even on labels.
And there were times where people leave their labels. I
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mean for a while, Miranda left her label and ended
up he signing her. And it's a different example. Another
one of my friends. I don't mention who it is,
but he left his label. He's like, I don't need
a record label. He has a bunch of hits, and
he's like, I don't need a label because I don't
need the promotion because I'm doing it a bit different now.
So label's definitely not a thing. But I I think
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you're really good. I think you're really good other than
I just like as a person. Yeah, I mean, let
me send some stuff off to tell me what I'll
do it. Everything's up. So which song if I were
to send one song from this project off, because nobody's
gonna listen for more than fifty seconds.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, they listened to like this.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
They're just gonna listen that you might get him for
a minute, especially if I go, hey, we listen to this,
and you might get him for a minute. But I
could send an EP and they're like, well, which something long?
But the same thing. I do the same thing. I'm
not hating on everybody else, but it's like, you should
listen to this artist, even if it's not for work,
even if it's for you might enjoy them. Okay, well
let me see. Oh you send me album a great?
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Now which one? And then I'm like, did I pick
the wrong one? So it's like, be very specific, but
tell me, like which which song represents you as a
writer the best? Because as soon as we're done here,
I'll fire it off to a couple of people and
be like, hey, look at her. I think she's really good.
But I do think that, or I wouldn't say that,
and nothing may come of it, or something may come
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of it or something not now. It may not happen now,
but it gets to somebody, gets to somebody, you know
how the world works.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I I just so appreciate you and I love that
about you just being willing.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
To didn't tell me a song? Yes, I've done nothing, Okay,
I just I'm not going to do it unless you
tell me. Tell me a song.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
As a writer, I am most proud of pretty Good Living,
which is funny because that's the new one too.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I'm gonna do this right now.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
So I love this. I want to know who you're doing.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
No, no, let's see.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Of the publisher.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I have a couple of things I'm gonna do here. Okay,
so I know someone who owns part of a publisher company.
And then I have my manager is significantly intertwined into
this world because he also is a major part of
a management company. And I will also go, hey, here
she is, you do the thing, because he'll know who's
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looking for what and what's looking for who. And again,
nothing may happen, okay, but nothing for sure is gonna
happen if nothing's happening, but something may happen if something's happening, right,
I got to keep your line on the water. It's
exactly so.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
But I also, well, you're your line in the water
means a lot more than my line in the water.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
So I appreciate this growing.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Okay, at this stage, I would say professionally that's accurate,
but that doesn't mean it's always going to be that way,
and it doesn't mean in three years I'm not like
he said about that, I need some help. You know,
you never know. So it's like get with your people, listen.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
That's how I'll know I've made it is when you
when you have to ask me for.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Something that's okay. I don't think that's true, but fair enough.
I'm gonna do a little little recon work for you
and see what's up because I think you. I think
you're really good. And I also didn't know you didn't
have publishing deal right now, so I'm happy to at least,
you know, see if other people maybe just weren't aware.
Thank you, Well, why haven't done anything with you? Welcome?
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I will? You texted, Oh, I don't know what you
were doing on your phone.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But you don't know I was texting and I said,
oh yeah. I said, hey, I'm going to cover the name.
Do you still on part of the publish company?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I do?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Do you need something?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Sure do.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I love how quick you get responses.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Again in this season, I get responses quick I might
not in two years. I didn't always get this quick
a response. I'll be very honest with you. The last
few years have been good to your friend. That's me.
It's been very good. It's been good. Ye people respond quickly,
they answer the phone, that type of thing. But it
wasn't like that.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
That's great, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
That's kind of how it feels being pregnant, Like people
will open the door for you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
That's funny analogy.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's so funny, Like you're just like, wow, why is
everyone being so nice today? And then you realize that
you look like you're struggling everywhere you go.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
See, I'm gonna send.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
This, uh share, Okay, what do you.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Because I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say. But what
would you want someone to say about you if they
were like check this song out? Or like what what communication?
How would you communicate it? If you were me about you.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
As an artist, no writer?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Like how would you like me to communicate this?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I may not communicate it the way that you say,
but like, what would you like me to say to
somebody who could possibly make a decision like hey, if
you have a few minutes, listen to this, or like
I think she starts is really good? Or signer or
I kill you, like there's all these options.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I think I think listen to this and.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, like and obviously listen to the whole project if
if you get a moment, because I think it it
all of them showcase different different parts of me as
a writer and an artist.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
But that's pretty standard though. If I say that's what
everybody says, yeah, and I think it's actually accurate.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I do believe it at the same time, but I
think the story in that and I think the way
that that song like, I'm just I'm proud of every
line of that song like that. That wasn't one that
I left where I listened to the demo and I thought, oh,
we need to tweak that second verse or we need
to you know, that one just was had a pretty
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bow on it from the minute we walked out.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
And Okay, that's what I'm writing. And I'm not lying,
I'm not exaggerating. I mean, I'll show it to you.
But I said, say, I'm just I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Just proud of that one.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I guess, so you're just proud of that. I'm not
gonna say no, you say whatever. You I'm gonna say,
I'm proud of this one. Why would I say I'm
proud of I didn't do crap so you love every
line you're I just take what she said.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
And he's like, actually, I'm a co writer.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
By the way, I'm pregnant. Yeah, Okay. My person that
I'm messaging has a pretty significant position, and I know
he travels a lot internationally. Even so I'm going to say,
listen to this a few times when you fly. I
can even show you this. I said, listen to this
a few times because I'm not putting the pressure on, like,
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listen to this and let me know, because I hate
when people do that to me.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yeah. Yeah, because everyone's busy, everyone's in the middle of.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Something, So listen to this a few times when you fly, etc.
Et cetera. I said, she doesn't have a pubdial. She's
good refreshing in case you guys were looking at new people.
That's literally what I'm saying, because that's my voice and
that's how I feel.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Okay, and I am sending boom. It has been sent.
That's one. I'll do another one after this after the interview,
but it's not This is not part of a bit.
I don't think I've ever done that during this, but
hopefully I have the track record at thinking that you're
a special artist that you don't feel like that was
just for a bit.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
No, I just I just you you have going back
to talking about that first time that we met when
you did the duet on TikTok, you have you have
done this kind of thing for me more than once,
and I.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Just really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I mean, that's that's the kind of thing that I
I go home at the end of the day and
I'm like, why, Like I'm just pinching myself most days
that I'm here just showing up and I don't know, somebody,
somebody taking a chance on you is how it's.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
How it happens.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I mean, I agree with that, and it's just it's
been an incredible for to be in my seat watching
you text somebody because I believe it's like it's just
always been so genuine with you and I I I
don't know, I don't know why, but I'm grateful, so
thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Fred Well, I know why should be grateful. I just
text to somebody that owns part of a publishing company. But no,
I'm kidding.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I believe you know I'm saying, I don't know why you.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I know I'm kidding, and I feel the same way
about people that have done the same thing for me.
So just keep it going. One day you'll get to
believe in somebody and do the same thing, and they'll
be like, why do you even believe in me? And
you're like, I don't know what I do.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
I don't know, but I like it.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Oh, why'd your name it the way we started?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Oh, that's that's kind of fun. What Darcy's on my team.
She gets a little bit of credit for this, But
we we were.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Okay, we made a lyric bible.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I typed out all of the lyrics in this entire
project and made them kind of pretty in a word,
doc and I was highlighting different things because.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
None of the songs, none of the titles felt like
the title of the EP.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
To me, Usually there's something that jumps out as, oh,
this is what the project's called. It's the third track title,
and that just didn't happen this time, because each song
felt like it didn't cover the entirety of the project.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And so I like how you did it, by the way,
I like when you name the project something that encompasses
the entire project.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
It felt it felt unfinished to just like pick a
title and slap it on there, right, And it took
us a while. There was a few different songs and
pockets of lyrics that I was deciding between, and the
way we started as a line in what If We
Broke Up, which ironically that song is what started this
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whole project. That's the first time that I wrote with
Nathan Chapman and Parkerwelling together, and.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That was about your husband, right, like what if you
broke up?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh yeah, true true story, top to bottom. And that
that song, I mean, that was the first time we
had written together. I had no idea what was coming
of that day, but shortly after Nathan called and said,
I want to you know, I want to cut a
few sides and pick some more songs and make this
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a thing. And that song is what started the whole thing.
And Darcy pointed out the way we started as a
line as an option.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I just thought, oh my gosh, that is.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
It's everything, because I've been doing this for ten years
and I still feel like I'm.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Just getting started.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And these songs are each kind of a different part
of that story of how I got started, how Colby
and I got started, and how we started our family,
and there's just there's so much in there.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I can't believe you were seventeen and you came here
by yourself. That's wild.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I can't either. I can't believe it.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
So when you're seventeen and you move here, I mean,
you can even vote here like that matters. I don't
know what I can do. I can't vote. I mean,
you're you're not You're not. Are you an adult? Did
you do sign something that said you're seventeen a an adult?
Or no?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
No, but I was.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I moved in January when I was seventeen, and I
turned I was seventeen for about nine months here, so that's.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Almost the whole year. You're almost all of seventeen here.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I will say I did have a publishing deal at
the time with a lady named Kat grab It and
Kay Fleming, who are just I mean, Kay's a Hall
of Fame songwriter. These women are incredible. I had a manager,
Leanne Falen, at the time, and we I had such
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a strong support circle of in to that. It was
it was just this natural progression of I'd been taking
trips back and forth as soon as I graduated.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
It just kind of felt like the right thing.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I wasn't going to go to college because I told
my parents, I'm not gonna spend a bunch of money
and be in debt to you know, I don't need
a songwriting degree.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
I don't need really. I mean, I was I was
immersing myself in the world that I wanted to be in,
and I felt like I was going to learn the
most by not going to school. And yeah, I had
I had like.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Three secondary moms out here, and I think my parents
really felt like, Okay, she has a community and she's
got people looking out for I found a roommate on
Facebook and she was I think nineteen, but we were
in the same boat.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
She was.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Chasing an artist career as well, and it was just
it just felt normal, even though when you say it
on paper it does not look normal at all.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
But it felt right, not at all. Yeah, were you
always super mature?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yes? Even and I don't I'm not trying to say
that in a weird I asked.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
You the question, though you didn't say, hey, I need
something because I need to say something. I'm super mature. No,
I asked because, like I said, I was extremely mature
at fifteen because I had to kind of grow into it, right.
I think we are the product of our circumstances in
a lot of ways. I was adult mature as a
young kid because I had to develop those skills. Now emotionally,
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my wife would say, now I'm not as not as
mature as like a normal nineteen year old, because I hadn't.
I never developed those skills because I was so hyper
focused on my career, because I was so scared.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
But you had you developed, like you had survival skills
of like real world like street smart of how to operate.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yes, yeah, but I did not have the normal person skills.
So as I I was like weaponed out to like
whatever I needed to do to survive and thrive. I
didn't have the ability to like connect with someone on
a human level. I could put a microphone in front
me and do this all day and make people feel
like I'm their best friend. But when it was no microphone,
I didn't know what I was doing. I know how
to be in a relationship, I didn't know anything. I
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mean my family, the family that nobody ever said they
loved each other. I never had told in a relationship.
I never had told that to anybody and to my wife.
When I never said that to family, it was not said,
so I didn't know how to feel it or communicate it.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
And communicating it is I mean, it's hard for everybody,
let alone if you've never heard that, and I used
to hearing that.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yes, I'm getting better at it. But my point is
I was wildly mature in one area but not in another.
But I was, And I could have moved anywhere sixteen
or seventeen and been fine. But you're seventeen. I imagine you
had to have made a bunch of mature decisions for
your parents to feel like we trust her. She has
a track record of doing things that are smart, mature
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adult like.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Yeah, I was trusted.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I feel like I was given a lot of privileges
growing up because I.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Was a rule follower. I mean I just I just
was a clean kid and I knew.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It's funny, I think my parents knew when I came
to this city and had this apartment with like I
wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Wild like I was. I was just a very cautious.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Were you focused? Would you describe yourself as focused?
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Incredibly focused, incredibly calculated? Might not be the right word.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
But I just everything that I did was like intentional
and cautious. I think I'm like I was like more
scared of like like I would have never been caught
being somewhere sketchy too late. You didn't have to worry
about me with that because I was like just very
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aware of my surroundings, very cautious about everything.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
How did you get here? Did you drive your own
car out here?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
My mom and I drove my Chevy Silverado from Colorado
and we we stopped in Arkansas all the time. You know,
growing up we might have talked about this, But.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Mike, tell me again, I remember reading you, So I
don't know who are you.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
My extended family is all in feate Wille.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
So my brother went to school there, and but we,
I mean, growing up, we would stop at my aunt
Joyce's farm. We would drive back and forth and stop
there along the way.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So how long did she stay here before she left you?
Your mom?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (40:50):
I think maybe a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
She was she was.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Nannying for actually, one of the women I was working
with adopted late in life, and she was nanny helping
out with somebody's newborn.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
So she was.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
She stayed to make sure that I was okay.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
They ever come back now?
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Now they have a grand Oh yeah, granddaughter.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Oh yeah, once a monthly.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Are they still near four Collins or in the area? Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
And so is my brother. So he went to he
went to school in Fayetteville and then moved back home.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
And they play music, your mom or dad.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
No, nobody, nobody else is musical. They all love music.
They're not musical.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Wonder what made you or what created that desire to
go even deeper, because it wasn't like you were watching
your dad play a guitar in the living room, but
for some reason you wanted to learn more about these
artists or learn more about Wonder where that desire came from.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
I wonder that sometimes too, I think. I mean I
always I was sitting down at.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
The piano when I was four years old, trying to
prop the music sheet up and figure out. And my
grandma always played piano, and so there was kind of
this desire early on to learn, and my parents put
me in lessons. When everybody does piano lessons when they're little,
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you know, it's like the thing to do.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I did them when I was like thirty, I hired
a teacher to come to my house.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah, so that's when I did them. But I was
also writing comedy music and not really knowing how to
do the music part, because I'd write jokes and try
to put them too songs. And I was like, any
learn I play pianos.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
It's kind of foundational.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I feel like piano is I did it all wrong.
I mean, I hear you to me, it wasn't. And
I struggled and I can do some chords and I
learned how to read music a little bit, but I'm
not even a good guitar player. Like I can play
like nine chords and figure out the others, but piano
was tough. I think if I would have learned it
at first, I think that would have been a good foundation.
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But I know nothing about music.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
It's actually it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I feel like when people are trying to learn guitar
without knowing anything about piano, I'm kind of impressed because
I feel.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Like, without knowing anything about.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Chord structure or different notes in a chord or anything like,
I feel like it would make guitar harder.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
So but you're assuming that's what and how they're learning,
because I know nothing about that now. I know nothing.
And again, I was also on American I donot for
four years, getting paid a healthy wage to tell people
what to sing, how to sing it, what songs they
should avoid, what keys they should sing it like. And
I don't know any of that, right, So I don't
know how. I don't know. But what I did is
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I bought a poster at Walmart that told me or
to put my fingers.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
That's I love it. And that's all I know now
is Okay, you want to see you on a g
you want a f I just don't to put my fingers.
You just know that, but I can't. I don't know
a scale. I don't know anything.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
See, I will admit that I have.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I've lost a lot of that knowledge along the way,
because you do you realize, okay, for what we're doing,
you only need so much, So it's kind of like
selective memory. I do feel like I've forgotten a lot
of the.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Things that I should know.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I definitely am not classically trained or anything, but it
was helpful.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
For me to have some of that bassis.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
By the time I went to figure out the guitar,
I think I was pretty like I was a quick study.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Do you ever write on piano now?
Speaker 5 (44:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Could you play now if there was one in front
of you.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
I have one in front of me a lot because
my daughter is she loves my keyboard. She's so interested
and I'm terrible now, so I need to get it.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
I mean, I know how to read music.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
I just need to get It's a skill. It's like
muscle memory. You gotta keep. So some of it kind of.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Comes back when I sit down, but it's bad. I
gotta I gotta refresh.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Are you getting to play much like with people watching.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Doing you know, if we're talking about piano or just
in general anything, Yes, I will say, I mean getting
ready for baby number two. That's slowed down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
But you've been you've been doing some some shows.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, And it's always been a lot of like writers
rounds and different things around here. For me, anything that
I feel like, I I love an intimate setting. Maybe
it's just that my voice really like lends itself to that.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
But I would agree you have a very precious voice.
Thank you, And I think you're right some voices are
better for different places. I also think that you could
play anywhere. But I do understand the preciousness of your
voice and how you might think it's better and intimate setting.
I don't think you're I don't think you're right on
that where it's just better in an intimate setting. But
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I think you have a very precious voice, but you
also speak with that same voice. Really Yeah, Oh don't
you agree?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Mic?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, A little baby like a little baby bird, very jollyful.
I feel like I could break its neck with a
single term I could say.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
So.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
The cool thing about Nashville is, yeah, there's always somewhere
to play. Do you ever play a song that you
just wrote and I don't know gauge?
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah, I love listening room for that. I feel like
you can really get a I mean most rooms in Nashville.
I feel like you can get a pretty good sense
when you play something new. But I felt I felt
that way with Diamond and a Baby that's on the
on the EP.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
I just knew that one.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
It's partly because it's fun and up tempo and there's
clapping and people love it, but I just that was
one that when I started playing it in front of anyone,
I was like, Okay, this is this is gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Are you an organized person now?
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Do you keep a calendar?
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Like what is your in your phone? You have a
calendar of like stuff? What do you put in your rights?
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Okay, like mine everything is like colored right, like I
have like five This is how do you organize yours?
Speaker 4 (47:20):
Okay, maybe I'm not as organized as.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I am, Hyer, don't compare, Like, don't compare yourself to me,
because I am. It's like one of the things that
I'm prideful of. But it's again, it's a survival thing. Yeah,
I need everything mapped out exactly, which is great right now.
It depends who you're talking to. Yes, I can be
a little rigid.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
I actually have been wanting to lately get a written place.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Do you know it's all cute for a minute. It's
like going to get a butter churner. It's like it
was fun for a picture, but god, dang, four time
you want to turn a butter it sucks.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Okay, you're about to save me money because.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
I was a butter turner. Don't get that. I mean,
you can get one, but it's annoying. What are you
trying to prove? You carrying around paper? And also if
it gets wet, it sucks. You gotta have a pin.
It's like do a japin got to borrow a pin.
Now you got COVID because the pin had COVID on it.
You don't need that. You can't put in your pocket.
Just do it on your phone.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Okay, it's the writer in me. I want to see it.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
It is romantic to write. Yes, yeah, I bet you have.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
I want to romanticize my schedule.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Okay, pull up your phone, every phone with you? No,
I don't do you even have you use the phone?
She's like, I do not. I want to romanticize.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
I'm off the grid.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
No, I mail all my correspondents.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
I very much so have my phone. You're making me
nervous with what.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
I'm supposed to be nothing is? Is this a little test?
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (48:39):
What do you have?
Speaker 2 (48:43):
What's today? Second? What do you do? What do you
have for today?
Speaker 4 (48:48):
You?
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Okay? Like it? What about tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (48:52):
A doctor's appointment?
Speaker 3 (48:54):
What about?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Let me just move on here? The twenty fifth? Do
you have anything October twenty five?
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Oh, my daughter's birthday is the twenty seventh, But I
have nothing that Friday.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Okay, So that's cool because what I would like to
invite you to do at some friends. You're gonna make
your Ofrey debut?
Speaker 4 (49:15):
No, are you serious? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (49:20):
I'm not kidding you. What so, if your calendar is free,
how would you like to.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Oh my god, you have got to be joking.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I'm not joking.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
What is that happening right now? Did you want to
know about this?
Speaker 2 (49:44):
You haven't answered the questions?
Speaker 4 (49:46):
Yes, absolutely, I will be there. Oh my gosh, I
thought you were just did you just make this up?
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Just like, what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (49:59):
No?
Speaker 4 (50:00):
This they note about this?
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yes, yes, that would be funny. No, I didn't make
it up that the texting had nothing to do with this.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
But the Oprey would like to invite you to come
out and make your Oprey debut on October twenty fifth.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Oh my gosh, I cannot believe this.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
How does that make you feel?
Speaker 4 (50:22):
It's just the most surreal this.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
I think this is the most surreal moment of my
ten years. I've just I've dreamt about that for so
long and you and you watch your heroes do that's
just the one thing that is like you've made it
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when you do that.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
I can't believe they're going to let me do that.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
They're not letting you do anything. They think you have
earned the ability to play that stage, so they're not
letting you. There's no charity in volunteer, there's no make
a wish. If so, i'd have gotten other a long
time early. Wait let me play?
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Uh know.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Then I think they have an appreciation for what you do,
how you do it, what you've created, even with the
new project.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
And so the twenty fifth, Oh my gosh, I did
set you up on the other dates, like I was like,
what are you doing today? I was just kind of
walking you to it. Yeah, that's exciting.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
Wow, Oh my gosh, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I'm not the opry, I just am the conduit to
get it to you.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
You you just you were the deliverer of the best news.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Do you tell your Malman thank you every day? Thank
you so much, mister ups guy. You are the reason
I got this good? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
I do say Okay, I say thank you a lot.
It's better. I've gotten better about apologizing a lot.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
I no longer say sorry too much, but I say
thank you a lot.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
How did so already as maybe a crutch word? Where
did that.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
I think so many girls have this as a crutch word,
like we just somebody like hits us in the face
with a door and we apologize for being in the way.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
It's just kind of this it's a culture it's a
culture thing.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Yeah, it's just kind of this knee jerk thing that
we say all the time. And I think probably dating
Colby and being in that relationship was the first time
that you know.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
He was like you, you do not need to be
sorry all that.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
There's nothing like don't be sorry that you exist.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah, so now I say thank you a lot, but
I don't say sorry.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
I think it's probably better. I think he's better than sorry. Yeah,
unless you're saying for the same reason, that would just
be weird you bump into somebody. Thank you. Now that's
a little long.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
This is a perfect setting to be thankful for.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
So that's why I'm saying it a lot here.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
But well, I'm excited for you. It is a really
cool night that you deserve. Thank you, And it's going
to be a little overwhelming in the greatest way.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
I I'm already nervous.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Good.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
I feel like I don't good.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
This is one of those things that and It's so
kind of you to say those things, because I I
almost feel like imposter syndrome. I almost feel like, oh
my gosh, like they think that I'm deserving of playing
the opry.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
That feels insane to me.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
But they do think that. They do believe that. I
also think that and believe that, But I had nothing
to do with them thinking that, believing that. I did
not make a single don't even think this is a
me thing. I didn't make a single call to the
opera to be like, please let my friend do well.
I wouldn't do that because that's such an important thing
that that call I would not make that.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
That's what's crazy to me, is this.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
It's this thing that's it's just so coveted and I
don't know, maybe nobody ever feels worthy when they get
to do it for the first time, but I just, yeah,
I feel like I feel like they're I'm skating by
getting in there.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
It's crazy, you'll always feel like that regardless of what happens,
because I do. I have ten blankets of imposter syndrome
on me at all times.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
It's interesting, like I wonder maybe that's a good thing
in a.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Way that you I think what's great about it is
also what's unhealthy about it, and it's how you balance that,
because what's great about it for me is I'm never satisfied,
and I feel like if my momentum is gone, I'm done. Like,
as soon as there's not momentum, I'm out. Why would
anybody hire me for anything if there's not momentum behind
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me or a reason that they feel other than whatever talent,
because I don't feel like I'm that talented. I feel
like I'm only momentum based. So the great part is
it keeps me motivated and I'm driven. But the bad
part is it keeps me motivated and I'm driven at
times when I'm probably shouldn't be, like an unhealthy.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Obsession, Like you don't you don't take the time to
step away when you need to, like like a break of.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
Rest, never and I don't. It's got to the point
where it's very unhealthy for I don't even sleep anymore,
and not in the way of like, ah, I work
all the time, like I stay. I never felt like
and I still don't feel like I have anxiety and
I have friends that have it. But now I've learned
that I do have it. It's just whenever I lay
down to go to sleep, as soon as I lay
down on my heart and about nothing, about nothing, but
(55:34):
about everything.
Speaker 4 (55:35):
It's because you're so You're so wired at all times.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
I'm so I have such imposter syndrome that I feel
like if I'm not doing everything right, then nothing is
going to be right. Everything's gonna be wrong. So it's
my job. This is what I must tell myself in
my un and subconscious. It's my job to make sure
everything goes right Tomorrow. I get everywhere on time. It
has to be at the highest level. I'd need to
be prepared, I need. I'm not picking to do that.
(56:01):
I'm not slaying down, going Okay, well now it's time
for me to think about all this stuff. Yeah, but again,
I have massive amounts of imposter syndrome. But also what
makes me really great also is what drives me crazy
and makes me unhealthy. And I don't like that. But
also I love it.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
I will say, I feel like that's something about you
that's going.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
Well, think it's about me. I think I'm just relating
to you. You're always gonna have it. Yeah, because you're
a you're a creator, and you're putting pressure to create
something that's not even it's not tangible.
Speaker 4 (56:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
There's nothing that you're creating that I can reach out
and touch or put in my pocket. And then you're
you have to as an artist, base your success on
somebody's feelings and if they like something or if it
resonates with them. That's a weird world to live in.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
That's what we kind of what we were talking about
with all those publishing meetings and record label meetings and all.
Speaker 4 (56:56):
These I've had. I've had multiple.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Those calls.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
I call them close calls.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
It's like these almost deals that you think that deal
or that person believing in you is gonna like make
or break and it falls through. And then we're trained
in this industry to be putting so much weight on
what all these different people think of us, including going
(57:24):
into I mean, you've got to feel that way being
on TV, and I mean we're putting ourselves out there
for all of these different people, especially in twenty twenty
four with social media and everybody just ripping everybody else
to shreds. It's like we're just opened up to waiting
to hear what people think about us, and it's all
(57:47):
subjective and all shouldn't be.
Speaker 4 (57:50):
It really shouldn't be. Hey, what do you think about me?
It should be.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
Hey, I'm really proud of this song that I created
with special people and we felt something when we wrote it,
and I want you to feel that way too, And
that's what I try to focus on.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
But it's so hard to like get.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Out of the way of Oh my gosh, am I
gonna hit all the notes?
Speaker 4 (58:13):
And are people gonna you know.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
The video gonna get as many streams?
Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (58:18):
Is this song gonna flop?
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (58:22):
After I've been so excited. I mean, all of that
is just so constant that it's.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
A bizarre world. But it's also awesome, right, and the
worst things about it also are the greatest, And it's
trying to figure out to balance it. I don't have
that figured out. I still I've figured out that I'll
never figure it out, and there's a little bit of
peace with that. Yeah, And that there is no fountain
that I'm going to find. That gives me the ability
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to understand there is no fountain, and so I can
accept that. And something you said earlier where you're like,
you know, you wait for a bunch almost even go
up one where I've had things that I've gotten that
I were sure we're going to change my scope because
I had a I mean, I just had an almost.
(59:10):
In my life is a constant list of almost. Nobody
knows the almost right, we don't those aren't public. Fox
called me a couple of weeks ago about hosting a
network game show and they were like, hey, you'd be
perfect for this job. I didn't approach them. I didn't
even know about the show and I was like, yeah,
I tell me more about it. They're like it's da
da da da, and I'm like cool. So I got
(59:31):
on with the network heads and they were like we
love you. You're the guy. Yeah, and I'm like cool.
And then I got on with the heads of the
product covering like man, we love you, you're the guy,
and I'm like cool, cool, cool. And I got a
call from my agent like a day later and they were like, oh,
they end up going with some other person, and I
was like huh. And I get it. There's a lot
(59:52):
of rejection in this business and I get it a lot,
but I was thinking, man, this would be a good
one to get, like this is the next thing. But
then I have to remind myself that I've gotten those
things that I thought we're gonna be the next things,
and they weren't the next thing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
That's what's interesting is that sometimes when you get that thing,
it doesn't even.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
It doesn't lead to where you think it should lead
you or Yeah, but there have been things where I
thought they would lead to nothing or didn't have any
pre There was not a single thought about what this
could do. I was just doing it because either I
love to do it or I was challenged by it,
and it actually led to massive things. They're just is
(01:00:28):
no that I just tried to not think I can
understand it with more effort because I can't, and I
need to balance that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
It's it's like the working smarter, not harder for me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
I just know I'm not going to figure it out,
So why waste energy trying to figure it out? And
now I still try to figure it out sometimes, Yeah,
but why waste energy? If my whole key is like
executing and doing things at a high level things I love,
things that I've am challenged by. Why am I going
to spend time trying to figure out something that I
know I'm not going to figure out? So most of
the time, I can talk myself out of wasting that energy.
(01:01:03):
I'm human, I can't always that's my and that's what
you're saying. You're like, you know, there were so many almosts,
but I don't think any of those would have led
to whatever it is that you're wanting to be led to.
Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
M I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
I agree, and you see that looking back in hindsight, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
This happened to me a hundred times. Yeah, my almost
or the ones I got, never led to what I
really thought. It was always the things I didn't know,
didn't expect that I was passionate about, either again because
I love doing it or because I was challenged by it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
I also think that's something important too that I've been
learning to do lately, is just kind of redefining what
success is because I think you and I are both.
I have that personality of being driven to be successful,
but especially after starting my family, it's been this this
(01:02:01):
journey of going okay. So I thought that from the
time I was fourteen fifteen, I thought that success was
the publishing deal, the record deal, a certain trajectory on radio.
Then you're successful. Then you hope to have X amount
of hits there's just.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
A path, and because it's been other people's path, and
then we're told that's the path, that's the path, that's
the path.
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
And that's what makes you feel fulfilled and feel successful.
Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
I love this part of your story because it's like
you didn't even know to put that as an end
result for yourself, Like you had no idea.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Had I tried, I don't think I would have got
it because I would have tried it a different way exactly,
and the way that I have, the way that I
thought I should, would not have been the accurate way.
So yeah, that's my point. I don't have a I
don't know points, I don't know anything.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
No, but it's it's it's inspiring for me because there's
so much right now that like you asked me, where
I'm at as an artist or what I'm doing, And
it's funny because there's so much at the time right
now that I go day by day, week by week,
and I think I'm just I'm gonna write the best
(01:03:24):
I can write, I'm gonna sing the best I can sing,
I'm gonna show up the best that I can and
I don't even know this journey has been so long
for me, and it's changed so many times, and sometimes
I'm like.
Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
I don't even know where the end result is. I
just know that I I just know that I don't
want to compromise family to get it either. I mean,
that was a choice that I made, and you know, hey,
I'm not gonna let becoming a mom scare me out
(01:03:56):
of the other things that I want to do.
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Did it scare you the first time with your daughter?
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Did you think it was like gonna have to be
big back seat or over or I don't know, I
don't know what your mine was.
Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yeah, my first daughter was a surprise.
Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
She's the best surprise ever. But yeah, it was. It
was hard for me.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Not because I didn't think I could do all of
the things I was doing. It was more about worrying
about the perception of people in the industry. And I
think that's getting better, but I feel like there there
was just kind of for a while.
Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
They're just kind of an underlying.
Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Yeah, I agree stigma, And I.
Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Don't really nobody's ever specifically made me feel that way.
It's just I think and I've talked to a loother
a lot of other female artists who feel that way.
I haven't felt that way a little bit about getting married,
which is so funny because.
Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
You're in a boy band and you don't want the
people to think you have a girlfriend. Yeah, I like,
I mean, but a little bit. I mean, that's it, right,
I mean, that's the thing it is.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
And it's so funny because it's like who, like, who
are we supposed to look available for?
Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
That's so weird, like, and.
Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
It's funny that now like these songs about I mean
that year that I got pregnant for the first time
and was just kind of going through all of this.
I had no idea talk about not knowing where the
end result is gonna be or what's gonna I mean,
that was just it was the best time of my
life and I just thought, I am not gonna let
(01:05:32):
a concern about opinions or whatever in this industry like
ruin this joy for me. So I just had a
blast and we wrote this song called right on Time.
I wrote that with Scott Stepakov as well, and it
changed everything for me because the way that people connected
to that song that I wrote about meeting my husband
(01:05:53):
and meeting my daughter at the right time and her
coming into this world at the perfect Like people just
resonated so much with that, and I realized, oh, I
don't I don't have to be the boy band person
who doesn't share real life. I can I can actually
relate more to my audience being myself.
Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Like that's what's so great about this is like.
Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Most of the girls in my age group, in my
like we are, we're dating, we're getting married, we're trying
to have babies, we're struggling to get a toddler down
to bed at night, and we're stressed out, and.
Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
We're trying to work and clean dishes and do all
this stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
And it's like, why can't we just talk about that
in a song because I.
Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
I miss hearing that like I grew.
Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I mean, some of these songs that made me fall
in love with country music was you know, Trisha Yearwood
and Martina Bride, and I just think we were like
celebrating all of these things that womanhood is. And I
just realized I don't have to hide all of those things.
Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
So it's just gotten.
Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Better and better with you know, And now I'm in
another season of I don't know. I don't know how
to have two babies. I don't know how to juggle
it all.
Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
But we don't have to. Yeah, you have a little time. Yeah,
I got some time operate to play first exactly, so
everybody out there. So here's the thing. The way we
started is the five song EP. But if she had
to pick one, she'd picked pretty Good Living because that's
the one I sent. But no, check out the way
we started and you can follow her at Sarah Beth
Tait t a I te will also put in the notes.
(01:07:48):
In October twenty fifth, you will be making your grand
ol Opry debut and it'd be awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
You gotta come.
Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I don't know where I am, not even here. It's
so stupid. I'm gone all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Well, if you can come, you have to come.
Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
I think that's I think that is a fair I
think that's a fair ask. Yeah, I'm really proud of you. Continue,
that's all. Not continue doing it right or doing it wrong,
or being a success or not. Just continue as long
as you feel like you should go and and know
that you're not the only one with imposter syndrome. Everybody
has it. Everybody. It's if they admit it or not.
(01:08:28):
And if they don't, they're a cycle killer. They're cycle Kill,
there's psychotic. I'm a big fan and I can just
you know, I didn't get a text back yet to
cause you're wondering. But between that and you know, I
programmed the women of iHeart Country and you have something new.
We put it on, like I just you're just the
country Top thirty. We put it on. So I'm a
(01:08:50):
fan of your art as well as of you as
a person, and I hope over the amount of times
we've known each other you can see that for what
it is, that it's true and it's not just me.
Selnya belly Goods.
Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Thank you, thank you for playing all the songs, and
it's just it's just been a highlight of life for us.
Is like running out to our car in the driveway
to hear when the song comes on the baps.
Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Now, yeah, we we like the Really, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
That's fair to me. It's not with you, it's not
if it's when. I don't know when it's going to be,
but it's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
Thank you. I hope you're right.
Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, I feel like I'm right. But we'll see, we
will see. What do your friends call you?
Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
SB?
Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Too many syllables for too s B. It's just it's
too hard. I'm tired, s weird mixed together.
Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
If you think that's long. A lot of people call me.
Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
SBT mm hmm. All right, I'll just say, hey, you.
Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
Think think you think Sarabath is easier.
Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I think it's equal. I think it's equal. Sarahbeth s B.
I think it's equal. So I don't know. Why do
you want to call you?
Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
What drops a syllable?
Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
No, it doesn't s B, what s B? Sarah Beth,
Sarah Beth. No, you're doing it too quick. I would
say Sarah Beth. O. So to me, if you're going
to have SB be short for Sarah Beeth, it should
be shorter to say Sarah Beth s B.
Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
You're just skipping a third silver.
Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Yeah, Tate, Tate, all right, we're done. You guys follow
Sarah Beth Tate. Go watch Us the Opera October twenty fifth,
and check out the way we started. All right, go
to see Sarah Beth Tate.
Speaker 7 (01:10:39):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production