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January 14, 2025 • 69 mins

On this episode of the BobbyCast, Bobby sits down with Grammy winning songwriter, Daniel Tashian. Daniel talks about what it was like working with Beatles legend Ringo Starr on Ringo's latest country album, his dad touring with the Beatles, and why his dad didn't want him getting into the music industry. Daniel also discussed the perfect time to write a song, citing a recent example with Kacey Musgraves and why her songwriting is so great. Plus, Daniel tells Bobby the story of how he proposed to his wife, and the reason behind naming his daughter Tinkerbell. 

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
We've now got the power of purpose, and I thought, Okay,
that's it. That's the phrase, the power of purpose. And
what I mean is the best way to write a
song is when you need to write a song.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Daniel Tashian he wrote Casey Musgrave's Golden How where He's
got two Grammys, an ACM, A CMA. I mean, I
could go through a lot of the songs he wrote,
slow Burn, Happy and Sad, Golden Hour, Lonely Weekend. I
mean all that's Casey Hometown Girl by Josh Turner, that
was his first number one, White Horse by Til Towns,
good Night by Billy Currington. I mean, the guy's been

(00:40):
doing music at a high level in a different ways
for a long time. I really enjoyed him because you
can definitely tell like he does his own little thing,
even with how he dresses, how he talks, and it's
extremely original and it was refreshing. So this is Daniel Tashian.
You can follow him on Instagram at the Silver Seas,
which by the way, he also co produced and saying

(01:01):
on the upcoming Ringo Star album, which we were debating
that's a country album or not, So that's pretty cool,
all right?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Here we go. Daniel Tashian, Hey Daniel, good to meet you.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, you too.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I was talking on a podcast recently about Ringo's upcoming
country record, Yeah, and what I was comparing because I
was with a guy who was like, Ringo is not
a country you know, that same tired huh narrative that
people just like to say without really any knowledge of

(01:31):
the artist or the history of country music, et cetera.
And we were just talking about some of the songs
Ringos written, what Ringo's done over the past twenty five years,
even the Beatles. But now what's great is and the
timing was accidental.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
You were very much a part of this project, so yeah,
And I don't know if that's what you thought I
would start with, but because it's so fresh on my brain, Yeah, Like,
tell me about that experience working with Ringo and what
this record is.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, Bobby, I'm I'm a ten year old boy in
my in my mind and in my attitude about things,
and I'm a ten year old boy that loves the Beatles.
That's my first it's my first love, that euphoric feeling
of that music and it all it all comes from Ringo,
you know. So it's a full circle thing. I remember,
you know, I grew up in a really musical household

(02:19):
and my dad actually toured with the with the Beatles.
I don't know if you knew that or not, but
you know, they were they loomed large to me as
a child. So as an adult to kind of meet
this guy, it was really funny when I when I
finally did meet him, which we worked on a lot
of things before I did get a chance to meet him,
but I said, hey, do you remember you know a
group called the Remains that you toured with, you know,

(02:40):
back in the sixties. And he said, what was the
name of them? And I said the Remains and he goes, no,
two long ago. He said, it's amazing, I even remember
you from five minutes ago. So he didn't remember him.
But no, Ringo is everything. I mean, you know, he's
just he was also sort of like the sign I
went Mark's brother in the in the in the Beatles.

(03:03):
He never really like in in Hard Day's Night and
stuff like that, Like he didn't have that many lines.
He was more like kind of just sort of this
silent Buster Keaton kind of character.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
And so as a kid, you really, you really identified
with the Silent One because you know, he was just
watching everything that was going on.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I also felt like by watching the documentary on Apple
and what I think, I've seen it the Peter Jackson.
Yeah thing, I've either seen it all watching it or
watching it on TikTok because again they just feed clips
to my algorithm. Yeah, I feel like he was a
really good glue guy, like and that's a you know,
in sports, that's a big term for somebody who make
sure the group is together and is like, you know,

(03:41):
not demanding or dominating. Like I feel like, what do
I know? We weren't even alive back when that was
really happening. But yeah, I feel like that's a bit
of what he was and meant to that group.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, I agree with that. I think that's very good observation.
And you know, the symbols that he uses on this
new album are the same symbols that he used in
the Beatles. And he never cleans him, he never wipes
the dust off him, so they've got all that vibe
and mojo and everything, and you know it's the symbols
that you know, T Bowe noticed this and mentioned it,
but it's the symbols that make the excitement in the Beatles.
If you listen to Beatles records and you hear that

(04:15):
splashy buy you anything, it makes you feel all right.
If it's just somebody going to it's not exciting. But
when he plays that splashy high hat, it just it's
like Beatlemania.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
What was the first meeting with him? Like just a
big build up? Did you know he's driving up? Does
quin of flames on it? Like what, like what's happening?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
No, he just kind of appeared in the door with
it with with with with his h with his wife Barbara,
and and she was a bond girl, you know in
Doctor No. I think she was in that. I may
have that wrong, but but very very low key, very
easy going, very youthful. He's you know, he's in his eighties,

(04:57):
but he feels like a teenager. His energy is very
he's like kind of bops around like a marionette. He's
just like very loose and cool. And and he really
inspired me. Apparently he eats a ton of broccoli and
he goes to the chiropractor all the time, and so
as soon as I got back in town, I was like,
get some broccoli and we're going to the chiropractor because
I want to be like that.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
The broccoli or the chiropractor or old and.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Loose, Old and loose.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, there's a whole part of TikTok. Now that's like
a Ringo. Give him his respect.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Oh yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I see a lot of videos of drummers going you
don't even know how hard this is. It may sound simple,
but it's hard. And they recreate a lot of Ringo's parts,
fills and parts. Yeah, yeah, which if you didn't know,
which I don't because again, I'm not a drummer. Yeah,
and I can barely keep any rhythm at all. But
there's this new it's harder than it looks like. There's
this new like idea that people don't understand. How good

(05:54):
Ringo was.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I get that your parents were both musicians.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, it was a very musical house.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah what what what were each of their expertise?

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, my mom, you know, she stayed home when my
dad went on the road. But when I was when
before I was born, my dad was in a band
in Boston in the sixties called The Remains, and they
were John Lennon was a big fan of the band
and asked him to go open for the Beatles in
sixty six. Yeah, and they had a couple of regional hits.
You should look them up there called the Remains there

(06:23):
on Sony Legacy. But but then after that, after the
Beatles tour, the band kind of broke up. They were
sort of like a hometown Boston band and they didn't
really feel like they were made for international, you know.
Move So my dad moved out to California and met
a guy that he went to that was around in
Cambridge in the sixties called Graham Parsons, and then he
did two records with Graham and then through that met

(06:46):
Emmy Lou. And that's what brought us uh to Nashville.
Is after I was born, Emmy moved to Nashville and
we moved here with her. So music's really, you know,
taken me everywhere.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Did your mom sing?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
My mom did, but she's she was more like home
with the kids. And then after Emmylou's sort of hot
band disbanded in the nineties, my parents had like a
folk duo where they would sing and play together on
on rounder records and they and they they toured a lot.
When I was in high school, So.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
What about your earliest music memory of in the house.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I can tell you exactly what they what they were,
if I could only win your love by the Louvin Brothers.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Fleetwood Mac was on the turntable that Rumors record. My
mom loved that record. And Henry Mannsini because you know
the Pink Panther was was the cartoon that was on
that I love watching, and those are those are probably
the big three.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Do you think your dad wanted you to go into
music or do you think your dad no.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I don't think you're doing I don't think he did
want me to. I think he thought it was tough,
and I think he thought it was really difficult. I
think he found it difficult. I don't think he liked
being on the road and being away from the family.
I don't think. I don't think he thought that that
was you know, there were a lot of years where
I didn't see that much of him, So I don't
think he liked that. So I think he thought maybe

(08:13):
I should do something else.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
What about your You have three kids, right m what
is your relationship with them about a career in any
creative art.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well, I just want them to know that they're loved
and and and that's really I don't really care what
they do. I'm not I'm not like pushing anything really
on them. I like, I think personally, my belief is
that being having music in your life is a positive thing,
whether it's your job or or or not. I think
it's good to know how to play.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Would you want them to do like? I would?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Never? I think it's a good choice.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Oh, anything creative? Man, It's it's tough.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, well, I do think it is. But you could
either have your ideas and you'll you'll you'll resonate with this.
You can either own your ideas and have your ideas,
or you can you can give them someone to sell
them to, say, someone else and sort of work for
someone else, or you can kind of work for yourself.
I mean, don't you enjoy working for yourself? I mean,
I look at what you've built, you know. I mean,
why would you advocate anything else?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
It's not that I would advocate against anything else.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Doing something creative is difficult because everybody wants to do it.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Everybody will do it cheap.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Hmmm mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's hard, and I would compare to sports and art
or very much the same in that you don't really
make any money doing it until you start to make all.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
The money doing it. So there's an extreme class welfare.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Right, There's a big there's a big difference between the
top and the bottom.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
And for me, I think it's been my success is
when other people like me m and I think that
is probably the root. And I love what I do
and I'm proud of what I've built, but my success
has always been not in my own heart, although I
think for a lot of time it was, but my
success has always been in the data of.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Do people like me?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Are they downloading the podcast, are extreaming the show? Are
they watching my TV shows? And if not, I am
not being liked. Therefore I am no longer successful and
I no longer have a job. And I think there's
a very unhealthy inside of me anyway, feeling of if
I'm not being extremely liked there I will not be successful.
And I'm not a people pleaser just in general, I'm

(10:24):
not a people pleaser, and I think to me, that
is the reason if someone were to say, what's the
bad part about it?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I think that's it.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
It starts to kind of reform, like your guts, like
if people don't like you, you're not successful.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
And if you're not successful, you're not worthy.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
And I've had to go through a lot of a
kind of therapy to kind of figure out that that's
the case, But I didn't have like a leader like
I think what's great for your kids is that you've
done it. You've done it at a high level in
very much a way that you wanted to do it.
You're not a cookie cutter got in any way. But
I would say that would be my argument anti argument

(11:03):
pro is it's freaking awesome and you get to create
something with your own mind and have it exist, and
putting something in existence from your brain that people actually
enjoy and that you enjoy it, it's the best feeling
in the whole world.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, you know, I also think you're really only competing
with yourself and you if you if you're on a
journey of personal self improvement, with which if you're in therapy,
you're definitely on that journey, you know. And if you're
an artist, you're on that journey. And if you're trying
to improve yourself and you're trying to get better, then
it doesn't matter what you know. Joe Rogan does with
his podcast over here, he maybe he makes makes more,

(11:37):
has more listeners or whatever. If you know you're getting
better at what you're doing, you know, that's that's the journey.
That's it, that's the hero's journey, and that's a journey
that's worth going on. I think is a journey of
self improvement.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
And I've broke for a long time now, I journey.
It's hard to be on a journey when you can't
pay the bills.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Well, but there's no reason. There's nothing wrong with doing
something to make money while you're simultaneously on this other
journey of personal you know, growth and discovery through an
art form of whatever it is. There's nothing wrong with
having another job. But I worked in all kinds of
jobs I did. I did bookstores, I did you know food?
I did, like bookkeeping, I did well. I guess working

(12:23):
on music that I didn't really.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Like, Yeah, yeah, because you felt like that was probably
the means, Yeah, I'd get to waste.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
I had a guitar in my hand from nine to five.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
But what was like at age thirteen? What did you
want to do?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Play a drum be a drummer, session drummer.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
So but again, that's that's crazy to hear you say
session drummer. You knew enough about it, because yeah, yeah,
you knew what a session drummer was.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, for sure. There was a kid, another kid in
my class. He moved here from South Africa named Nick Buddha,
and he once he got here, like I thought, Okay,
I got this. I'm the best drummer of among the
kids that I know. But then when Nick got here,
he was so uh so good that I was like, shit, man,
maybe I don't know if I don't know if I
can be a session drummer. This guy's already so good,

(13:07):
you know. And he went on to play, you know,
for Nathan Chapman, for all the first Taylor Swift stuff,
love story, all that stuff. That's all Nick, that's my buddy.
So he did go on to be a session drummer.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
When you grew up here and there at the talent
level is robust. Sure, there's a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Sure, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
As in your formidable years, let's say twelve to nineteen,
did you feel like that challenged you to be better
at times? Were you disheartened by how good people were
and or was it just a wave up and down
of that a mixture of that.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I think for me, I've never been a virtuoso of
anything or a prodigy or what. I wasn't the kid
who was like, damn, that kid's over there shred and
look at him, go he should be a guitarist. I
was never like that. It was always I have to
think of an idea and use my limited musical skills
to communicate something that moves people, rather than be a
virtuoso in any way. You know, does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
It does only in the way of like I have.
I feel like I don't really have a skill that
I can bank on, but I have a lot of
things that I'm pretty good at that I've had to
like Swiss army knife and develop.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, and that I'm pretty good at a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
That allows people to think I'm really good, and I've
kind of tricked people into here I am.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
So I've never been supernaturally gifted, but I've worked very
hard and I've had to learn a lot of things. Yeah,
which feels a bit unfair because I have some friends
that are still freaking good, but they haven't had to
work as hard.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Right, Is that because they are lucky or talented or
what do you think.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I think mostly it's talent.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think what's unlucky sometimes is you're talented. I think
you can be so talented. And again if I'm making
because the music and music and sports to me run
alongside each other. And I know, I've friends that were
extremely athletic, so they have to work that hard, so
it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Built into them. And when they got to the next
level that culture, you got a good work ethic.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
I sadly had to develop a discipline like crazy.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
I think that's better.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I do too now as an adult, I wish I
was really talented, but I wish that because that would
have been easier for me.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah. Well, I think I definitely coasted on a certain
amount of talent for a while. And you know, I
mean I was really disorganized. And I had a friend
who lived near me, and he was having like number
one records, you know, and and he he would look
at me and he said one time, he said, I
started calling him coach because he said to me, he said,
you know, you got all the talent, but we got

(15:41):
to work on your finishing. Because I would play him
all these songs that I'd started, Like, you know, I
got this idea for a song. It'd be like a
half song. He'd be like, finish it, make a demo
of it, Like it's got to like you got to
close it, close it, you know, close the door. And
then once I got into finishing, which is where the
discipline comes in and what you're talking about, that's when
I started to have some success.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Were your creative kid in general?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh yeah, man, drawing, painting, guitar, piano, everything. It was
all art and all music. Absolutely did that writing.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Was that a struggle then for you know, some of
the fundamental history geography, like as a student or were
you pretty sure?

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, a little bit, I mean a little bit. But
you know I was into sports too. I mean you know,
I was into I was in the track, I was
into I was into soccer. I was into all kinds
of stuff. I really wish I could have played football,
but I wasn't. I just didn't like getting knocked in
the dirt really that much. I just didn't. But but yeah,

(16:38):
you know, pickle back then, huh, I know, I love pickleball.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Pickball back then.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Your brain changes, though, and as a young person, I
had quite a fidgety brain. I probably was a d D.
But you know, undiagnosed, I just had to figure it out.
And and you know what I'm noticing now as my
brain is you know, I just turned fifty years old.
My brain now I can do math Like I sit
with my daughter with tinker Bell in the morning and
we do math. And I can't believe this. I did

(17:04):
not have this on my Bengo card. But I love
doing math now. And we sit there and we solve
these fractions. We solve these little equations that she's got
in her books. She's ten years old, and we have
these euphoric moments where we're like one in three quarters
that's the answer. And it's like we both kind of
do like a little hop of joy when we figure
these little puzzles out. But my brain couldn't do that

(17:26):
very much, you know, unless it was something like a
story or a painting or a song or something that
I was working on. I just didn't want to work
that hard.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Why do you think now you have it?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I think your brain as it ages, it changes and
you and you and you were able to do things
that you couldn't do before.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
I wish that were the case with me. A piano lessons,
I try to do it as an adult.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
You're able to concentrate.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Oh really, yeah, I'm not practicing.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
What messed you up?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
The playing of the piano, the music part, the fingers
on the key is the reading the music, sitting down
after I suck for a long time and hating myself.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Here's a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Just everything.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, basically the whole shape of the piano, like all us.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's like me and the violin.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, everything violent, that's even that's been crazier.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I went and bought one because I saw Sierra Farrell
at the Americano wards her and I was like, I'm
going in the next day, I went and I bought
a violin. Recent then yeah, and I bought a violin.
I went to the violin shop and I came home
and I had my violin and I was like playing it,
and I told my wife. I was like, I'm gonna
go get a violin. I came home, I was playing it,
and she was like, can you take that somewhere else?

(18:33):
And I was like, okay, I'll go out to the studio.
And went out to the studio and then my shoulders
started to cramp and I was like it literally sounded
so bad. And I'm usually good at music. I mean,
I think of my I make sounds that people like.
I mean, you know, but this I was not able
to make anything sound good. And she made it look
so easy watching her, and I was so frustrated. And

(18:54):
then finally I called the After about three or four days,
I called the violin shop up and I said, he,
I gotta ask you all question. Does anybody have or
like come in there and buy fiddles and then come
and bring him back? And the guy was like, it
does happen occasionally. And I said, well, why do they
bring him back? And he said because people underestimate how
difficult it is to make it sound good. And I said,

(19:16):
that's me. I'm bringing it back.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I took it back, and you warned them. At least
you save some of the embarrassing. Might have had hat
in hand bringing the fiddle back. But piano, to me,
I feel like if I started as a kid and
when my focus could have been on.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Three or four things, I think I could have focused
on the piano.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I think we like a eighteen jobs and a life.
I think it was a little harder. But also I
think by there is music, I just can't. I shouldn't
say can't, cause I don't say can't for anything.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Music was very difficult for me.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
It was like learning an entirely new language, where like
I can play guitar, but I don't play, but I'm
reading music. Learn to read tab on a poster from Walmart,
and I'll do. And that's why I wanted to do piano,
is because I'll write comedy songs and I'll go and
we'll play these shows. And I thought, well, it'd be
nice to be able to play some of these on piano.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, I know. I hired a piano teacher about like
six weeks of lessons.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
About two weeks in, I was like, not for me,
I'll pay all six out, but I'm gonna not wait.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
There's some Yeah, there's some things that you just don't
you just you just know, you know yourself, and you're like,
I know myself. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna commit
myself to this because commitments, that's that's what you that's
your bread and butter right there, there's your discipline. You know,
if you're not going to commit to something, you're not
gonna you're not gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Was on my right hand just sucks.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
So left handed yeah, I think if you gave me
two left hands on the piano, really interesting.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, right hand I learned like two tricks. I still
do sometimes.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Are you left handed?

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I am?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, so there was no it was all bass I got.
There was the right hand ik. That hand was not good.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
But I learned a couple of tricks, and so I
go places and I'll do it a couple of tricks
I learned, and then they'll like play some more, and
I'm like, no, I don't feel like interesting. Yeah, I
just do that trick. But the party track and a
party trick. Yeah, I don't really play at all.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Fair enough you play?

Speaker 3 (21:09):
How's your piano?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I'm currently taking lessons, no way, yeah, currently taking lessons.
I take from a guy named Jody Nardone who's really good.
How good are you well? I mean he didn't he
told me last week he said I was doing a
good job. I mean it's hard to sort. Humble, don't humble,
it's hard to know. Can you play?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Are you play in front of people?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah? I'm not shy. I'll play in front of people.
I'll play a song.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Would you play a recital.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
If I said we're gonna have a recital, you and
you're gonna come and play the recital.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I do one song I'm not gonna do.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I just don't know how much you're sandbagging me here
because I know.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
But I'm not a pianist in the sense of like
I'm fast and and and I do songwriter piano where
I play chords and I and I accompany my accompaniment.
That's what I do on the piano. You know, I
can figure a part out in the studio and play,
but I'm not. I'm not like, I'm not gonna sit
down and play Chopin or something for you. So what
if that's what you want to do.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I actually only want chopin, So I guess we're out. Yeah,
that's the demand chopin and only the hits.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Okay, what so.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I mean, let's take away the drums. Like if you're
gonna write, are you on guitar?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I write a lot on the piano.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I gotta say, Okay, see, you're stand bagging me.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
It's in the kitchen. I got one in the in
the breakfast room and it's right there. So I'll put
the put the tea water on or the coffee machine going,
and I'll get over on the piano and that's all.
I get a lot of ideas there.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
You melody. You get melodies in your head and concepts
in your head, and you chase them furs, which which happens.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Most well, first concept for a song, and then once
you've got a concept, that'll be a group of words,
right like I don't know, uh, Tuesday morning, and it
has a rhythm to it.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
In your head, like you've just you've naturally assigned a rhythm.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Well, just the words to Tuesday morning. You know, it's
it's it's very even. It's two groups of and then
you think, you know, you start to mess around with that, keep.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Talking to me, because you're saying things I can't imagine
or picture. It's I'm larnt so I would not think
the words Tuesday morning.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well, it's not gonna sound good if you make a
big jump on Tuesday, like Tuesday morning, because it makes
when you make a jump, it makes the day stand
out more than it should. So then you look around, Okay,
that's not gonna work, you know what I mean, finding
different notes. I'm listening to my eyes so wide open them.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Well, if you go watch an open heart surgery right now.
Don't stop cutting, doc.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, if you go Tuesday or if you go morning,
it's it's like, no, that's not it. It's more straight
than that. Tuesday morning. That's what the Velvet Underground did.
But it's Monday morning, Sunday morning or whatever. That's a
great song is and they're using it on a lot
of NFL ads. Have you seen it? The Monday Sunday

(23:52):
morning song Velvet Underground.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
I think I just oh, oh, you mean this Velvet Underground.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
They're using that specific song. But so yeah, I mean,
you can do this. It's not it's not rocket science.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
We just do it a different way. We'll just pay
somebody in the neck like I did it. You're a
ghost writer there you go okay, well good, so okay.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Then kick it out the door. You get it done.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
You have pianos were in the house.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I have two pianos a number of keyboards, but I
have one in the studio and one in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I'm just trying to feel inspiration here, and let's say, yeah,
you're inspired.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
You maybe in your sleep you think of something.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Or you keep maybe you'll sit down and just start
to kind of clank it out? Do you record while
you're while you're clinking?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I'll tell you what the most inspiring is. Yeah, I've
got a bunch of voice memos. I mean, you know,
And what the most inspiring thing for me is is
what I was. I was watching a basketball game the
other night and then this ad for Gallatin Ford came
on and the lady said, we've re done our dealership.
We've now We've now got the power of purpose. And

(24:57):
I thought, Okay, that's it. That's the phrase, the of purpose.
And what I mean is the best way to write
a song is when you need to write a song.
So if you've got a comedy thing and you've got
a spot and you need a song for it, you'll
get it. You'll get it done. And it's the same
thing with me. When there's a need for a song,
that's the best way to get it.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Give me an example of a song that happened.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
With well, I mean anything like okay, just just last
you know, a couple of weeks recording some music with
Casey Musgraves is like, you know, she needed something in
a certain mood and a certain kind of genre and
a certain kind of feeling. Yeah, a certain thing, there's
a need that arises. So I've got the power of
purpose behind me. I'm going to sit down and work

(25:38):
within these parameters to try to make something. And that's
the way to get it done. That's why those Broadway
writers were able to to get so many things done,
you know, is they got the purpose without necessity. For
a song, I'm lost, I'll I'll just goof off all
day if I no one needs anything.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
How hard is it?

Speaker 2 (25:59):
And maybe hard not the word, but what's the difference
in writing We'll call them adult songs and kids songs.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
No difference. They got to be they got to be good,
and they got to be simple for everybody.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
When you're writing kids songs full Just a little disclosure here.
I did a kid's record that the Cracker Broil bought.
It's pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. I mean yeah, it's
only eleven albums.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Is awesome.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
That's like, that's so cool that you did that.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And so I started to struggle after I had written
a couple I wrote like a rap at first by accident, right,
it was like about the planets, and.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I'm like, this would be cool. But then I started
like second guessing.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
How simple it should or shouldn't be based on the kid,
based on the age.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Did it with the kid's book too, And I got
in my head going, I don't know a four year nine, like,
I didn't really know.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I was lost in that space where I have friends
that have that are and they know exactly who they're
writing to. H I just felt like in that kid
world there was such a distinct difference in a four
and a eight year old.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Maybe, but I always felt like I was underestimated, Like
you know, like I never wanted to have like a
little kiddie plate with like little dividers for all the
food and a little sippy cup or anything like that.
I wanted to have the china and the I just
a kid that didn't want to be demeaned in that way.
You know. I was a pretty I considered myself to
be a thinking, feeling, sensitive person and I didn't want

(27:30):
to be treated like a baby. So when I make
things for children, I make things for myself as a child,
which I still feel like I am in my heart.
And they're they're like Henry Mancini, They're sophisticated in a
certain way. They are you know, I realize I price
myself out of stuff. But I don't like stuff that's

(27:52):
pandering or kind of demeaning to kids.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Really say more by that, you realize you price yourself
out of stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
What do you mean, Well, I just mean sometimes I
think the things I did well, we did get nominated
for a Grammy for the first first kids thing that
I did. But I think, you know, some of the
things you listen to that are there in that space
that are supposed to be for kids, they're kind of
stupid and and I don't I'm not into that.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
See.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I kind of felt the challenge because I didn't know.
And I think one of the great things about making
that kids album was we did we were doing.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
I think there's a beauty to that.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Sure, Sure, when you're naive, Yeah, that's the way to
do it, right, Yeah, I don't know the rules, that's
the way to do it.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I think once we kind of got involved and started,
we'd written six or seven songs and we started to
have people to be a little bit interested, then we
started doing the opposite.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Interesting. Yeah, we're like.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Then trying to guess and speculate and why and let's
get dumber.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
And that was the wrong thing for us to do, right,
We did exactly what you just said, and I think
we learned a lot from it.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
But that's what we did. We were like, we need
to make this dumber.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Well, when you talk about sports and music parallels, one
thing that stands out to me is the psychological hurdles
that athletes have to get over in order to get
out and perform. And it's the same thing that creative
people have to You have to kind of get through
the second guessing thing. If you're a kicker, you know,
you got to just do what you do, you know,
and you can't get in your head.

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Speaker 2 (29:33):
Getting in your head that's tough, I mean, especially when
you live in your head, right, Yeah, hard to say
don't And I do it too, Like, don't get in
my head when I literally depend on whatever is in
my head. But do you ever create something and you're
in it so long or just so intensely mm hmm
that you start to go, I don't know if this
is good anymore, just because I'm no in it.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I don't like that. I personally don't I like to
move fast. I really do. I like to get the
thought out and complete it as much as I can,
and if it's not useful or good, I like to
get onto something else. I don't I don't like to
do you. I mean, I don't like to work on
stuff for a really long time. I don't like that
at all.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
I will write a joke or a set of jokes,
and then I will go and it's so funny to
me when I'm writing it, and then I'm like, I
don't know if this is funny anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Oh, you hit it in a different well, one parallel
that I can you know, relate on. That is, sometimes
the tempo of a song will hit you different ways.
So like you work on something at one twenty two
and then you come in listen to it later and
it feels so slow, so you got to bump it up,
or or it feels too fast and you got to
pull it down a little bit because it doesn't have
the swagger or something, you know. So tempos are funny

(30:42):
that way. But I imagine jokes are kind of like
tempo in the sense that depending on your mood, it
can hit you in a different way.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, and depending on I mean literally the tempo of
the words and how you're saying them.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, for sure, give me a joke. You wrote it lately,
so that's the absolute word. The answer to that is no.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Because I am so fascinated, because I mean, I can't.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Pull voice memos. So this is what I could. This
is what you would do if I were to go
pull up songs. Let me see what I have here.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
So like, I cannot imagine trying to sit down and
write a joke. That seems super super hard.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
It is.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I'd rather try to pull vault.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
What sucks about writing jokes is that you can't practice
them unless you do it in front of people.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Can't practice with your with your wife or your friends
or anybody.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Like, especially not my wife. He's funnier than I am.
But even then, if you tell a joke to one person,
if I were to play, like, I'll play guitar in
my act a little bit, but I can practice guitar
all day and get better at it. I do not
know if a joke works until I do it in
front of people and they judge me live, and I
know it's not going to work the perfect way the
first time I do it, So you kind of have
to go into it and go, well, I'm gonna go

(31:54):
and deliver this, and I'm not going to get the
response I want, but please don't let it be an
terrible total. I'll give you an example of something I
just did. This is so like, this is vulnerable here, Daniel,
I like it, because let's go.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
And I have a lot of these. So we went.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I went and I hosted a thing called the Marconi
Awards in New York and Dan Patrick was there, the
sports guy. And I love Dan Patrick. Loved one on
Sports Center when I was a kid. And so what's
really hard about writing for events is you only get
to the jokes one time, and you can't practice in
front of anybody. So all that practicing out the window
because it is very specific to that occasion. Yeah, and

(32:32):
I said, he was in the crowd and I recognized him.
I was like, hey, Dan Patrick's here, said, I'm a
massive Dan Patrick fan. Said three things that I am
amazed by with Dan. Number One, he changed the landscape
of sports and pop culture, melded them together. Number Two,
he's turned what he's doing now into one of the
most entertaining radio shows, the most trusted voices in sports

(32:53):
radio and three and what I'm amazed by the most
and what I aspire to do. He charges two hundred
bucks for a cameo and so okay. And so in that,
you know, I read you on that. I know what's
your work because in that room it worked worked.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, and you put the you kind of gave the
three and you numbered them the three.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's that's the simple. That is one.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
And in music there are a lot of formulas that
you can work inside the formula for sure, ten million ways.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
But do jokes one, two.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Three, yep?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
You know wow that so that would be a joke
that I okay.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
So again you've got the power of purpose because you
knew you're going to see this guy and you you know,
you had to have something something.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
But I bet you have in your notes a lot
of half written concepts that if you just read it
to somebody that would be like what planet is your
mind on?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Totally okay? And that is that is that where jokes
come for you.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I have so many like half written jokes that I
don't even understand, you know how. Sometimes you'll write something
in your handwriting and you're like, what did I even
write there? That's what some of my jokes are.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
What's a half one half baked?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
You're the fact that you want me to do this
is crazy, Like I can't because I do this to
Pan all the time.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
I cannot imagine.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
What do you have to pull your phone out? Well,
and here some concepts. Then we'll go, we'll go match
for match a little bit.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Here. I even have like some I keep new book ideas.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I don't even know what I've got in here. But
what if somebody listened to this and then they went
and they took one of my concepts and they wrote
a song with it. That would be the only.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Thing that might Well, don't give us with your best
that might don't give us.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Your best, give us like a just like a generic.
I don't you have nothing? Let me see, this is
my favorite thing. I'll give you some of my stuff here.
So and so this is gonna be bad. But my
wife and I wrote this. I wrote watching Batman logic.

(35:03):
So my wife doesn't watch superhero movies. Really, she doesn't
hate them, but.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
She never watches them. By the way, this is my
favorite thing I've ever done in an interview where we
do because it feels so.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Vulnerable, I tell you, and that might be more vulnerable,
but go on about Batman.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
So because this is not going to be that funny
when I explain it to you. But you can see
how the clay that.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I'm cutting right, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
My wife and I were watching Batman. It's Robert Pattinson
version of it. She's like, I dont get it. Yeah,
and I'm like what.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
She's like what what? What even is he? And I'm like,
what do you mean? She goes, he's not he can't fly, yeah,
he can't run fast, Yeah, he's rich. What's super about him?
Except he's super? And and I'm like, no, no, you
don't understand. Like he has like the Batmobile. She's like, okay,
well you have you have a tesla?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Like why And so her whole logic she totally crushed
Batman to me, like, took all these years of childhood
loving Batan right and now about thirty seconds, Yeah, showed
me why I'm an idiot and Batman's a loser.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Or why it doesn't resonate for her. Yeah yeah why then?

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah, mostly I just cried.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
So the whole thing was she took all my childhood
in about thirty seconds to why I was ridiculous. Yeah, yeah,
So like I wrote, yes, like watching Batman. Another one
is asked my wife, but it was like having a period,
like I'm pastor. I was like, tell me, like, explain
to me what it's like having Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
And she said, look at the last thing that you googled,
and so I did, and it was something like autographed
Saints helmet of Alvin Kamara. And then she goes, look
the last thing I googled, and it said, uh, does
Uber Eats delivered diet coke or something like that? Right?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
And I just remembered that. So I wrote that little
concept down and from that.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
The last thing you googled is funny?

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, And I can make that funny.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Of what she did, it could be like does you
know do they deliver cookie dough ice cream at whatever
the case is. But that would be the concepts that
I write down for jokes that I then go out
and try to work until I can make them funny.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
You mean you workshop them, yes, but you have to
workshop live.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
You have to workshop live. Yeah, and you do them
fast though, so if one bombs, you're on.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
The bombs as great as as that, because sometimes my
jokes are so bad. People don't know their jokes.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
They don't even know. No, I just keep going, keep going.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
People will be like, no, he didn't miss a joke
all night, No, I do.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
So stand up is what what sort of slice of
the pie of your life is.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
That in different seasons it's up to like thirty to
forty percent. Yeah, because I will tour and do thirty theaters. Yeah,
and then I'll not I'll go do a sports show
or a TV show. Yeah, So at times it is
very significant. Yeah, I feel like I'm writing all the time.
I'm doing the radio show and I'm writing jokes all
the time. Right now, I'm not in that space because

(37:46):
I got a couple of sports shows that we're doing. Yeah,
but when I'm on it is really all I focus on. Yeah,
what about songwriting for you versus producing? Like, what what's
what's your pie?

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Kind of go hand in hand. I mean I'm always
writing songs. I mean I'm just I'm just just always doing.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
You gotta give me something vulnerable though, because.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, I'm going to I'll just play you, uh something
I just started playing this morning. I went to the piano.
I knew I was going to see somebody today. So
that person I'm playing.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
So, is that you placing a holder for for word?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
The melody with the music?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Would that be more for you to remember or to
send us somebody to go? This is kind of what
I have going.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
But see, I don't really highly rate that, Like I
don't value that. That's just that's just nothing. Really, it's
nothing until it's got the right words with it. And
the words are the most important thing.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
And and and you know, it's like it's just a
bit of melody that I like, you know, so but
with that, but really I got a hundred thousand of
those and really don't They are not worth anything if
you don't put any any words with them.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
They're just but.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
You've got placeholders there for words that the melody that
you're god like.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, do you it's hooky to me?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Do you create that so you can reassign lyrics, or
so you can together reassigne Like, what's the next step
with something like that? Doesn't have to be that one specifically,
what's the next step, Well, find some words to put.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
To it, and and do you do that or do
you do it with another writer?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Could be with that with another writer or by myself
depending on what you know, where we're at. You know,
with someone like Casey Musgraves, like she has so many
great words and so many great titles that it's just
it's awesome to work with somebody that's that that good.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Casey's one of my with words top five favorite artists ever. Yeah,
I think you know, obviously you guys did Golden Hour
and we'll go through all that. But Casey has a
couple of like perfect albums to me sure which there
may be four that I can think of in my
life that are like no skips, yeah for sure, Like

(40:21):
Licensed Ills one for sure, like those that are from
like that.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
But you know, Casey as a writer, extremely prolific. Yeah,
but I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Get to work with her on a level like you do.
I get I could world no level. I mean I
just listen. Yeah, what makes her special as.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
A writer observation, You know, I think she is very observant,
and she listens to things people say, and she's able
to catch those titles from from out things that people
are saying, you know, and and then she's got just instincts.
It's just that simple. It's like a boxer. She's just

(40:59):
got int thinks about how to make a knockout? Uh
and wind it, you know, and I just I just
love her slow Burn, slow Burn, It's great.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I was thinking of of the songs that you wrote.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
I was going through them ranking in my head.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Thanks, I know, but they're all yours though, so that
you went and you lose. And I think one that
that the first time I listened, I was like, Okay,
it's pretty good. The one that really grew on me
and I think just melodically was Lonely Weekend.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Lonely Weekend. Yeah, I'm proud that one.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Because I listened to it and I think it was
But the more I heard it, the more I like again,
appreciated how the melody of it, and I guess maybe
I didn't feel the lyrics as much.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Sure, but but yeah, melodically, like I love that song now.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
That melody, Yeah me too, I do too.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Tell me about that song specifically.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Well, I was up at my publisher, Big Yellow Big
Yellow Dog, and I needed to have some little tracks
for like I don't know if people wanted to come
through like some of these songs, like artists like I
don't know who it would have been, but you know,
I remember Brad Tercy people like that were kind of around.

(42:20):
I was writing with some of these people that were
kind of bubbling up at that point, you know, and
and I just needed to have some tracks backing tracks
if somebody came in and they wanted to So I
made the made that backing track and then I showed
it to Casey. I was like, I was thinking in
my mind it was sort of like Eric Clapton ish
or something like uh. And I showed it to her

(42:42):
and she was like, Yeah, turn that guitar, trying that
electric guitar that sounds like Eric Clapton off. Turn that
off and let's beat it up and I'm gonna sing
you know something over it. And I said, what if
you're saying Lonely Weekend over it? And she was like yeah,
And then we kind of had a concept.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
So that was that with Casey Goldenaur Star Cross Deeper. Well,
what that's That's a lot of working together mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
A lot of times you work with somebody once and
it's great mm hmm, maybe twice, but yet three times
there's something there that's like the magic and the stew
with the two What is.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
It about you two guys working together.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Well, And I would put Ian in there with us too,
because he's always sort of we I think we've got
to the point now where we can read each other
without really a lot of words being exchanged. There's a
little bit of a telepathic communication thing going on now.
We've done so many songs together that we can know
what the other person is thinking. And you know how

(43:39):
when you have an idea and then someone else is
there in the room listening, you kind of listen through
their ears, you know, like if you played me a demo,
it would something would become obvious to you that you
couldn't hear if I wasn't there, you know, something about
showing it to someone else, it's like and yeah, And
so I think there's some of that going on where
we kind of learned to listen through each others a

(44:00):
little bit, and we just we just we trust her,
you know, and she's she's got the instinct of where
she wants to navigate herself too, in terms of what
where she's going and what's what's pulling her, what's her
north star is, And so we just have to kind
of follow that because it's a cultural north star for her,

(44:22):
you know, it's like when we're working on Deeper Well,
she's just listening to all this all this folky stuff,
and she's like, you know, what's the guy who did
you know operate Jim Crochey, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell.
These type of things, you know, are what are her
north Star? And so we're just following that.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you and I was gonna
go to Deeper World next, because all three the projects
have been different. But you don't want to repeat yourself.
But it feels like you're not going to repeat yourself
because she's coming in and going, as.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
You said, to use your reference the north Star.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
It feels like the north Star, even though you guys
are the same back the north Stars in a slightly
different place.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
So you're able to create differently because of that.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Mm hmm, I think so. And I just think you
never step in the same river twice, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Almost remember and over successful.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Well me too, me too, absolutely absolutely, and I relate
to that absolutely. I like cheeseburgers. I mean, there's a
reason that there's a reason that it works, you know,
and and I'm with you on that, but but no,
I mean lives, change, moves change. When we were working
on Golden Hours, she had just met this guy that
she wound up marrying, marrying not long after that, but

(45:32):
she was so enamored and and kind of all those
type of falling in love kind of songs were just
kind of pouring out, and she was just feeling that way,
just very not ground down into the nitty gritty of
a relationship and the hardness of you know, those moments
like you're talking about when your wife kind of kind

(45:53):
of burst your bubble about Batman and stuff like. There
was none of that. It was all you know, it
was all just just uh, rainbows and you know, butterflies
and all those kind of things.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
The longer I sit with you, the more I think
how intimidating must be for your piano teacher to give
you piano lessons.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Oh no, no, he's a beast. No, Jody is a beast.
And and and what I do, and you might enjoy
this too, is that I want to figure a song out,
so I'll bring a song in. So it's song based.
It's not based on okay, now do these scales or whatever.
It's song based, and the songs contain the musical lessons,
So you would say, okay, Rocketman by Elton John, I

(46:29):
want to play that, and you bring it to him
and then you'll just put your hand here and you
put this one there and go like this and you're
playing Rocketman.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
With Is there an understanding though that you want to
learn a bit of why Rocketman exists at the same time, Like.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, you want to look, You're you're getting under the hood.
You're looking at what makes it work, what's the engine,
what's the mechanism, Why does the melody work, what's the
bass doing? You know, and you learn those things and
that's what as a songwriter. That's why I like I
like piano lessons.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Does your dad teach a guitar?

Speaker 1 (46:59):
He showed me couple chords, you know, Like he showed
me there were a couple of chords I couldn't figure out,
Like one like that song Michelle by the Beatles. It
has a couple of jazz chords in it. And he said, well,
I would play it like this. He showed me, like
an augmented chord and a diminished chord and stuff like that, Like.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Did you feel and asking him for help if you
needed it? Uh? Yeah, sure, So it's not no, no,
but if there was something.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, and then you know, he showed me. I remember
one time he said to me when I was playing
lead guitar. I was just kind of soloing and I
kept going and soloing, and he said, you got to
put brakes in it. He said, make each phrase like
a little snapshot, like there's a polaroid, like dun dun dun't.
Then stop and then dun dun dun't dun't. You don't

(47:47):
run it all together, you know, and because then all
the images get on top of each other, and you know,
you want to just put space in between the licks.
And that was pretty helpful.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Is your dad still alive now?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yes, he is. He's he's he's got Alzheimer's, so he's he's.
His memory is not is not in good shape, but
he's he's a sweet guy.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Before he got sick.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Was he.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Proud of your success? Did he expect your success?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Like?

Speaker 3 (48:17):
What was that relationship?

Speaker 5 (48:18):
You know?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I think that he was a dreamer. I think he
had a lot of unrealized dreams. Even with all the
things that he did and all the places that he
was as a musician from the sixties up through the nineties.
I mean, even everything that he in those three or
four decades that he was he was working. Even as
all the things that he did, I think he wished
he'd been able to do more. He never had like

(48:40):
a big hit or anything really that he was associated
and performed in a lot of amazing places and with
you know, with Emmy, he was Emmy's Emmy Lou Harris's
harmony singer for a long time. So they sang together
and it was it was pretty thrilling to hear them
sing together. You know, it's like pretty amazing thing to do.
But he never really got in there and like said,

(49:01):
all right, let's write some stuff. All right, let's produce
a record here, let's make that. He never sort of
like took kind of like I don't know, it just
wasn't like as much of a thing I think at
that time. I don't know, or maybe he just didn't
have the kind of He's not a dominant kind of
person or or really a leader really that much so
much as like he's kind of a quiet, more introverted person.

(49:25):
So you know a lot of times that people who
end up sort of capitalizing on certain situations, they find
themselves in tend to be those more outgoing kind of people.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Right, how was your mom in that respect? Was she
a little more outgoing?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Well? She was, and also she was sort of home
with with me and my brother when my dad was
on the road, So she was pretty much a mom.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
She does she run things. Where do you get I guess, yeah,
just wondering how you got yours?

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, my mom's the boss. Yeah, she sort of she
made you know, she was sort of the you know,
she set the tone I think in that house. You know,
my dad was more of a moody kind of atmospheric presence.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Interesting to me. I don't know if you want to answer,
But how do you come up with your kids' names?

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Well, we wanted them. This is funny. We wanted them
all to be from peter Pan because you know, that
was just the trip that we were on at that point.
But we got Tiger Lily, and then we had tinker Bell,
and then we needed we were gonna name Matilda Wendy
because then they would all be from peter Pan. But
right the week before the twins were born, a woman
at our church had a baby and had it christened Wendy.

(50:36):
So we couldn't be like, you know, the next week
and this week we have another Wendy which is dumb,
which we should have gone anyway.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
But yeah, when you your ten year old Tinkerbell, Yeah, Tinkerbell.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
You say that is tinker Bell her name?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, that's her name name, tinker Bell.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, that's so cool.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Well, I mean, I don't know if it is or
it to me.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
To me, that is so cool, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Well, she's she's very much herself, you know, I mean
she she really people grow into their names, I think,
and she really has. She's you get you're around her
and you're like, yep, your Tingerbell. Yeah my name.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I always thought it was like a young guy named yeah, Bobby.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I told my wife that once. I was like, I
got a pretty young name. She was like what. I
was like, Bob, because like Bob, Like that's what I yeah,
like Bobby, that's like from that's what old men were named.
You just write a young version of an old man.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
And I'm like, no, no, no, we looked it up
most popular in nineteen thirty eight. I was like, what, no,
I did your name was an old man name.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Do you get a lot of jokes from your wife,
My wife's This is what's the source of a lot
of humor.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yes, and very much, yes, but mostly because I'm so
challenged by her. She is so much better at what
I do, yet she has no interest in interest in
doing it. No, she does not want to. She does
not want to tell jokes. She is so funny that
I at times get resentful that she has such.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
A gift and doesn't use it. And I'm over here,
I'm begging for scraps, just just begging, just trying.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
To hard grinding, and if I can get her to
laugh a real life because she will not pity laughing, Yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
If I get a real life laugh, it's the greatest.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
It's better than a full theater because it just she's
so much better than me what I'm celebrated for, so
it's crazy too. I think my answer is yes, But
I think it's because I'm so challenged by her at
this point that I want to.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Does she ever? Does she ever resent being spoken of
in a comedy context? She does, she resents it. You
ever get off stage and she's like, oh boy, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're getting ready to You got.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
To get especially way early on not not as much anymore,
because I I know why she has her boundaries that
she has. She just does not enjoy people knowing things
about her. She does not want to be in public.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
I didn't know that at first. I'm like, guess what
happened to me?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I'm walking naked in.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
The mid so all this and it was never like
me and ra Anger.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
But do you know early in a relationship there's there
are boundaries that are said. I mean, I said some,
she said some. We then we end up loving each other,
we get married. But even on the radio, you know,
there are certain personal things Yeah does like about her.
I can talk about me whatever I want, but there's
certain things she's like, I would rather.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Like own my story at times. So yes to that.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
This sounds very familiar to me and very and and
I resonate with that very much. And one thing that
I feel like when I know I'm I'm about to
be in in the doghouse or not in a bad
in a bad situation with her, there's four words that
and I'm getting into numbers here, which I'm now learning
as part of crafting a joke, but the four words
are just so you know, when I hear that yeah,

(53:55):
I know I'm in trouble.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
It's not Youah the rest. You can go in and
hold your body the way it needs to be held.
It doesn't matter what's said next. Yes, yeah, yeah. My
wife has been extremely beneficial for me creatively because I
have only ever just wanted.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
To be good for me. Now it's like I want
to impress her.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
You want to make her laugh. Absolutely, it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
And she's the hardest person to make laugh. But she's
also the absolute funniest person.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I know.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
That's a good north Star.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
It's a sport that absolutely it is.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
But it's really hard and sometimes I get, like I said,
I get resembled this.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
She doesn't like anything. And my wife doesn't like any songs.
She doesn't like anything.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
She's she's heard them all and I hear your she goes,
I hear her sen dreamor all the time.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
You make these jokes all the time.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I know where you're going before you go. You're having
to laugh at this stuff because other people may give
you laughs. They don't you know you twenty hours a yeah, yeah,
that's funny.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
No, I mean, yeah, it's hard. That's a good that's
a good choice for for for a north star and
and I know certain things I can do in a
song that will make it more possible that she will
like it. But still a lot of times I just
pretty much fall flat. She's like, Eh, it's not Paradise
City by guns and roses.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
That's the thing. What is? How did you meet your wife?
You don't mind sharing that.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
We met at a party at my house where I
was living on Belmont, and she came and I was
sort of being ubiquitously ubiquitously obsequious. I was just kind
of like, would you like some more and want I
wanted to know more about her, and so I kind
of blew it at the beginning, and then but we

(55:41):
stayed in touch, and then yeah, we just kind of
found ourselves kind of hanging out. She was up in
the Hamptons and I went up there, and then we
just I just had this feeling like that I just
felt really good when I would be around her, and
then when I would leave and not see her, I
was like, I was kind of I don't know, just

(56:01):
didn't feel didn't feel I just there was something about us.
And I remember early on we both had our laptops
and we were both like sitting at a table kind
of working, and she was in grad school at the time,
and I was kind of like writing emails to I
don't know, my weed dealer or something. I don't know
what was happening, but I loved the feeling of being

(56:22):
across the table from her, typing on our laptops and
just being in her orbit was just something I wanted
to And then she cooked me this incredible We started
dating and then she cooked me this unbelievable gourmet meal
one night and I said, I got really inspired and
I was like, I'm gonna propose. I'm gonna propose tonight.
I went into I got up from the table, I sa,

(56:42):
I'll be right back, and I went into her. I
just didn't I needed a ring, and I needed it
right then, and I hadn't thought it out, so so
I went and grabbed one of her rings, and I
came back into the room and I got down on
one knee and I said, will you marry me? And
she said wow. And that was and she did say yes.
And that was the last meal that she cooked for me.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
She got you, h the Bobby cast, will be right back.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
This is the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
I remember my wife being a little offended that I
was surprised she could cook so well. Yeah, but I
mean it as a company. My wife's a great cook.
And my wife also has multiple advanced degrees, right, yeah,
and so I remember she cooked, and she's consistently really good.
She can make stuff out of nothing, it seems like.

(57:40):
And I was like, I can't believe you can cook
so well.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
And she's like why.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
I was like, because you're pretty. Oh wow, maybe not.
I thought there's a compliment.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Maybe not the best thing to say, though, They're like, well,
if you're only pretty, that's all you can do.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yeah, And so beauty is a form of intelligence.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Yeah, yes, and so it was intelligence. Yeah, And I
was just shocked, shocked.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
But she does everything so well. And I think when
you mentioned that you just like being around her. I
think for me.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
And my wife. I didn't get married till I was
thirty forty. I was forty.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, I was pretty late late bloomer.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Like I didn't believe.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I just didn't believe this stuff, yeah, because I never
has never engaged her in serious relationship or anything. But
then when I met her, it wasn't that like I
was run over by the love truck.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
It was it just felt easy.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yeah, not to say that life is easy, because being
in a relationship, if you want to be right, it's hard. Yeah,
But it just felt easy, or that I wanted to
put in the effort to make it feel easy.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
I wanted that before.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah. I resonated with that for sure, and also with
the other thing you were saying about the difficulty of impressing.
If you marry someone that it's hard to impress, it
makes you better.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Yes, And I think that's a good place. Well I am.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
I Well in this last kids before the Kids book,
the last adult book I wrote, I wrote a whole
thing about and I do believe it.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
But it's really hard to live.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Like, find somebody that you trust and you love to
tell you that you suck, and I mean that, and
it's funny to say you suck, But find somebody that
you trust enough and you can still love after they
tell you suck.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
That way, you can trust when they tell you that
something's good.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
And with her, like I have that in the greatest
way because and she doesn't do it out of meanness
at all, and she does it's completely healthy and she's
very honest and up front. But if something is not
good or it's not to the standard that she thinks
it is, and I bring it to her because she
won't just come be like I heard this it sucks
because she knows sometimes I'm not done with it. But
if I bring it to her and I'm like, what

(59:49):
do you think, she will give me her absolute, nothing
held back opinion of whatever I've created. But when she says, man,
that's really good, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
That's that is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
That's the win.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
And I would not believe her if she didn't give
me the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
And all that value is her being able to tell
me I suck sometimes, and that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Means ever wrong, like I'm never wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
She often will admit to being wrong whenever she's really
not that wrong, like she has the ability to have she.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Ever say like that's not very good, and then it's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Like, oh, you mean about my creative stuff?

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
And then sometimes the Joe kills or something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Yes, but this is her argument there, because she'll be like, ah,
this is the funny.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
I'm like, I've done joke five times. It kills. She goes, well,
they just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Humor, so she's still right. But sometimes she'll nail me
for a low hanging fruit. Yeah, yeah, She'll like, yeah,
of course they're laughing. Yeah, she goes, you're just ripping
the low hanging fruit off the tree. You can do
so much better, And I'm like, I don't need to.
So she's never wrong in that way. She still holds
on to how she feels about it. Yeah, but I
love whenever she's I feel like she's wrong, and I'm

(01:01:04):
like five times when I've done this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Joke, like they love it, and she's like, well they're stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, so and not that mean, but no, I really
I really enjoyed talking with you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
This has been super cool for me. I appreciate you
coming over. Yeah, thanks for having What I like about
you is that like you're just like you and that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Is not something that isn't heavy commodities here. There's a
lot of people that present themselves as a creative product,
but it's tough to find somebody you feel like like, no,
that's literally just them and it's a little quirky and
it's a little and I liked I really liked that
about you and what you do because I believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Well, I appreciate that, and you know, I don't have
a career. You know, I mean you said that earlier.
It's like career. A career is for somebody like a
doctor or a lawyer, or a politician, or somebody that's
got like a ladder stability, that's got a ladder to climb,
that's looking for somebody over here. It's like, oh, if
I make this move, because if you do music as
a career, you got to make a lot of bad choices.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
You're right, you do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
You have to go, well, this is what's selling. So
I've got to go over here and do this because
I'm working on my career, and so I'm very proud
of the fact that I don't have a career. Really,
I just have my work, which goes on twenty four
hours a day of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
That, and I feel like to do great work you
have to make even more wrong choices to actually figure
out who you are and what is important to you.
Because I think I've done things very very wrong. But
I don't think had I not, I wouldn't know what
I feel like is right because I wouldn't know what
was wrong. It's like Mark Twain wrote that Damned Human Race,

(01:02:45):
and it's one of my favorite essays because it's not
a full book or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
But he talks about if we didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Have morals, there would be without right, without wrong. There
is no right without right, there is no wrong. So
if we didn't assign things to have these this great
moral value, there wouldn't be a moral thing right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
And in a way, it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Had I not done everything wrong, I wouldn't know what
is right. And I'm glad I did, but it sucked
and I wouldn't do it again. But I'm very thankful
for it. And so I tried to have a career.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Oh me too. I try to have a deep voice.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I tried to be the everybody welcome, this is the show,
early radio. Yeah, I was gonna be the greatest deep
voice interesting DJ.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Ever, so you now somebody call me a DG. I
get pissed off.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
You would get on there and go, hey, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
I'm not even that good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
It sound like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
A puberty, that puberty, because the deep voice is what
you wanted at that point. It was the standard or
a good announcer, and that's what at one point you
had to be to be considered successful in an industry's talking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Do you think do you you probably do this and
I don't know, but do you think you could do
sports commentary like like NFL games.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Or I don't do that. I mean I did when
I was younger.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I did Division two football.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
So do I think I could?

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Do I think I could be the greatest of all
time at it? Yes? Uh huh am I probably wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Yes, But did you see they had what's the guy
Patriots Tom Brady? They see I had Tom Brady? They
were trotting him out there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
He's the he's making He's not one hundred million dollars deal?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Was he?

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Did you feel like he was?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
He was legit?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
What I This is what I love about Tom tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
He sucked his first time. It was worse. They didn't
have the right processing on his voice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
He was way nervous, did not know where to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Between week one and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Week two, he's got dramatically better.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
And he wasn't great in week two, but he was
so much better.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah that Like that inspired me watching a six out
of ten tom.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Brady week two.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah wow, because now he's probably a seven point five
or a seven point and in we're nine weeks in
the season. But you're watching a guy go oh, this
is why he's great? Like he continues to just want
to get better.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Yeah, he's on a journey of self improvement.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Because he was terrible week one and everybody told him,
it was everywhere. But it was so cool to watch
him come back week two and crush it. And yeah
it was and that like that's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
In stuff, Okay, inspiring to me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
So man, I'm gonna steal your song. We're gonna record that,
and you're gonna hear me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
I'm ready to go. I sta all that, Daniel, Thanks man,
thanks for.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Coming, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
You know, before you got here, we talked a lot
about you, and you know, talked about Silver Seas and
you know, I didn't know where I really wanted to
go with this, but the one I sat with you,
I just kind of wanted to have you ted talked me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Well, and that's what I got. You've been ted talked.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
I didn't even I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Didn't even did the burn backrock stuff. And I think
of Burt and so I love rain dropsky falling on
my head like all like, and I like you and
not and like when Ben Folds covered and I like
a lot of that piano based mmmmmm, we'll call it
piano based pop. That is all derived from old like Bert.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, when we started with the Ringo

(01:06:08):
almost started with Bert.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
I'm glad we started with the Ringo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yeah, that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
And thank you for the time, massive fan. Yeah, congrats
on everything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Thanks man, and uh yeah, I just really admire how
you do stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
And your kid's names. That's the coolest thing. That is
loadly the coolest thing, Mike, you have anything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
How did the waffle House song come together? That's really
a great one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I was in Seaside and was down there on vacation
with the family, and I always bring music stuff with
me when I go on vacation because I just I
gotta have something to fiddle with. It's like my knitting.
And I made this little beat and put some chords
to it, and I sent it to my buddy Edo
in LA and he said, hey, I think I want
to send this to Jonas brothers. And so that's how

(01:06:52):
that came together. But it was music. My contribution to
that song was the music. I didn't write any of
the lyrics.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
When you heard like, that's that's so amazingly quirky, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Yeah, I felt that. Yeah, I felt that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
I love that t bone Burnett t Bone see it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
What's his dear friend mentor he was my producer when
I was an artist when I was nineteen. Kind of
we kind of parted, we kind of lost touch with
with each other, and then through Ringo and a couple
other things that we're working on, we kind of came
back together. And I just love that man.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Is he math based? Like when he produces like it
is he like his math based meaning.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I would hear a stories of people working with him
and everything was so specific, I mean, like especially percussion.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I think he's just a brilliant artist himself. And you
can hear on his new record how good he really is.
What a good singer he is. He's in his seventies.
He sings so is so pure and just so the
songs are so good. I think he's just really a
great artist. So really, I think he just is helping
artists be like try to be better.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I probably had a friend of AA drummer. Then that's
what I hear when you say that, because it was
like no way to be exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
It sounds like, oh, you're saying is rhythm, yeah, oh
you must have.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Yeah, very distinct ideas about the way that that stuff
should interact. But you know, just a just a love
lovely guy, very bright, very like yourself. You would find him,
you know, quoting Mark Twain, you'd find him. You know,
he'll say, can I read you a poem? If you know?
He really likes to say you can ever have a
biography or an autobiography or something like that? He said

(01:08:31):
decidedly no. You know, so there's a mystery about him,
and he speaks a lot in metaphors, and there's a
lot of you know, he'd be more likely to tell
you like an allegory or or or a fable in something,
and then you'd sort of extrapolate from that, like what
it means about your problem for your situation. Last question,
but I look up to him a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Did you get ready to sign anything or no off limit?

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
I didn't, but I made him take a picture with me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
He knew he was in the picture.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Right, Yeah, that's right, he did.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Okay, good, because thank you, thank you for the time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Really appreciate right man, thanks for listening to a Bobby
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