September 11, 2024 • 46 mins
This is the final episode of Season 1 of In The Vet's Office with Dr. Josie and it's all about puppies! In this week’s Case of the Week segment, Dr. Josie shares a story about a puppy who was born with a rare condition where it was born with both female and male parts, so she details her treatment plan. Caroline Hobby, podcast host of Get Real with Caroline Hobby, joins the podcast with her 3-month-old puppy, Ruby, to ask all of the questions as if she's at her first vet appointment with her new puppy. Dr. Josie shares advice on potty training, how much to feed your puppy, the importance of crate training, and so much more. Dr. Josie wraps up the episode with PAW & ORDER where she details things she’d never do with a puppy, including going to the dog park and feeding them adult dog food. We will be back soon with Season 2 of the podcast, so stay tuned!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to In the Vets Office with doctor Josie Horchak.
All right, welcome to in the Vets Office.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I am your host, Doctor Josie, and this is our
very last episode of our first season of this podcast.
I have had such a blast doing this. I was
just talking to a friend this morning and we were laughing.
I was like, you know, I had never talked into
a microphone, or been in a studio or had all
these bright lights prior to doing this podcast. And it's
(00:40):
been just such a fun project for me and getting
me out of the clinic and doing something a little
bit different. So thank you all for listening and indulging
me in this. It's been a blast. Our episode today
is a really great one. I was listening back. We
interview Caroline Hobby, who is a Fella Nashville Podcast Network member,
(01:03):
and she brings in her new puppy, and if I'm
being completely honest, this was our very first interview of
the season. So I think we did this interview probably
about nine ten months ago, and as I was listening back,
I was like, wow, that's so cute. I sound so
scared and nervous, and I remember my armpits were sweating
the day I came in and I had butterflies and
(01:25):
I was talking so softly into the microphone. My producer
Morgan was like, so him a little bit of your personality,
and I was like, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's definitely I've come a long way, I will say.
And it's fun to listen back, and it is a
really great episode. We talk all about having a new puppy,
which is you know, we'll delve into it, but having
a new puppy is such an undertaking and there are
so many questions that come with it, so we really
go from A to Z and I think you guys
(01:54):
are going to love it, so we will dive right
in and take a listen. I hope you guys enjoy it.
So Caroline Hobby is your guest today, which I'm excited
to hear about because you guys are talking about puppies.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So I hope I don't get puppy fever.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh you will. Her puppy Ruby is adorable. She We're
going to do her interview a little bit later in
the podcast, and we talk about everything. The goal of
this interview is just to talk about everything puppy related
that is really like the biggest, most informative that visit
that I have with my clients is their initial puppy visit.
(02:29):
So we go through everything from create training to potty
training to what do I feed my puppy to you know,
my hot takes on wet dog food and their first
physical exam.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, there's just so much ground to cover.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And so Caroline just got a brand new puppy, and
I thought, what better way to kick off this podcast
than with a new puppy and doing that sort of
new puppy talk as I call.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It, which is so important.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I feel like I didn't have that knowledge at all
when I got it. I did not know what I
was signing up for when I fourteen years ago got
my puppy. So I wish I could go back in
time and listen to this totally. It's funny. I hear
so many owners say that, and I'm like, I need
to start some sort of like education course or school
where it's like, you're thinking about getting a puppy, here
(03:13):
are these things you need to consider beforehand. So maybe
this podcast will be kind of like that. But yeah,
it's some people go into it and maybe a little
blind which is great. I mean, you figure out as
you learn, but there's so much information it can be
information overload in the beginning. Oh for sure, it's like
a pre course. I feel like saying this is strange,
(03:34):
but like kind of to having a child. Yeah, it's
like a little bit of a taste of what you're
going to get when you have a baby. Because I
now have a son who's turning three, and I'm like,
I'm also botty training right now.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's like I kind of had a taste of.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That when I had Phoebe, and I would probably my
French bulldog go go back.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And maybe do it a little differently. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, when I'm finally swaddling human babies, I hopefully will
be ready it will be a little similar to what
what it's like puppies.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So oh yeah, you'll be fine. I'm excited for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Anyways, though, before we get to the interview, I wanted
to start off, I think a cool thing is for
listeners to get a little bit of behind the scenes
of what we see in the trenches as I like
to call it so in the vet clinic and in
true sticking with the theme of puppies this week, I
had a really cool case of the week not too
(04:25):
long ago, and this puppy came into us, and in
the interview with Caroline, I really stress how important it
is to bring them into the vet so that we
can do a really great physical exam. And on this
particular puppies first physical exam, we noted that she had
a vulva, which is essentially a vagina, and then she
also had a little penis sticking out, which.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Was a surprise.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So this is the first hermaphrodite that I've actually ever
diagnosed in clinic. And goodness, I know the owner was shocked.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I was shocked. I'm shocked.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I've never heard of that in a puppy before. Yeah, yeah,
it was crazy. And so then the real question was
when I go to spae this dog, what am I
gonna find when I get in there? Is she going
to have ovaries? She going to have testicles? We didn't
really know, so we didn't ultrasound. The ultrascenographer said, Yep,
I'm pretty sure these are ovaries. The mom was very excited.
(05:19):
She had a big girl girl. She had a big
gender reveal party with all of her friends. No, she
was so excited and then I take the puppy to surgery.
I get in there and it's two testicles.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, what do you do? You take them out? Okay,
you took him out.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah yeah, we took him out just I mean it's
a newter slash spee.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah exactly. So we did it.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And then I had to call her and said, you know,
they were actually testicles. She comes to pick up our puppies,
She's like, I just what do you think she identifies
as or he identifies as? I'm so torn, Like I
already had this gender reveal party and I was like,
you know, I think we'll just stick with a girl.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's a girl.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So on the exterior, yeah, yes, well half and half though,
half and half.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, it was really interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And so did the owner know when they brought them
the puppy in that what's the puppy's name?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
First of all, Darby? Darby?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Okay, so did they bring the puppy in noticing that
there was something strange, She was like, this looks unusual,
but most owner, I mean, it was so tiny at
that time it would be very hard to see. So
it was really us catching it on physical exam. Wow, yeah,
that she was not expecting that. When she puppy in,
she handled it beautifully. She's like, I will love it
no matter what it is. But yeah, it was. Really
(06:35):
it's pretty rare to find. And again, it just like
stresses the importance of that first physical exam is so
so important.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, man, that's crazy. Yeah it's a girl. We stuck
with a girl. Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Tell she looked at me, She's like, I'm a girl.
I was like, okay, I got you.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So the gender reveal was not a fail. No, not
a fail. It's good.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Derby is a female. Derby is a female. And that's
the first time you've ever seen or heard anything of that. Like,
when you're in school, do you study and actually have
like knowledge based.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
On what to do when that happened.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yes, we learn about it, but it's pretty rare. We
don't see it often. So it was the first one
I personally have have been a part of crazy. I mean,
I've actually had experience with that in horses. Yeah, we
did have a mare that I was always like, oh,
a female horse that seemed like she was a boy,
And my whole life with her, I was always like,
(07:25):
I just feel like she has such a male presence
about her, and then when we went to breed heruse
she had really good bloodlines. The vet was like, she
actually has the testes in there, guys, you cannot breed her.
And we were like, what, So that's crazy. The odds
of us both having experience if that is very unusual
for all your listeners out here, it's not normal. The
(07:45):
likelihood of you having hermaphrodite is very very unlikely.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But it happened, and yeah, it can happen.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And so she's fine, Yeah, she's doing great. Okay, when
you take the testicles out, I mean, we'll see. It
was pretty recent, but we expect for that her little
peepy penis to like, you know, kind of shrink and
go away without her having all that testosterone. So right,
because yeah, that's what the testes would have produced her,
was like some testosterone, and her you know, demeanor just
might be more like a boy dog. Yeah, but yeah,
(08:14):
all right, Well I'm super excited because Caroline Hobby just
got a puppy and you guys are going to talk
about all things to do with puppies, doos and don'ts
and all that. So you guys are going to take
it away and I'm going to sit here and hope
that I don't get puppy fever while we talk about
all the puppies on in the vet's office with Doctor Josie.
(08:35):
Today we have Miss Caroline Hobby. We're so excited to
have her. She is the host of the Get Real podcast.
She is a songwriter. She has been on The Amazing Race.
She has a mom, she is a wife, and most importantly,
she is a new puppy owner, a little miss Ruby. Hey, Rubes,
(08:55):
Ruby sitting in my lap right now. So tell us
a little bit about Ruby.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Like how old she is? Cambritas.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
So, I actually am super excited to be here because
I do need to talk to you about a lot
of things.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I love animals, always had dogs. I am not great
at like the discipline or you know, getting all the
rules correct or anything like that. So I've had a
bunch of dogs my whole life. Most of them have
been pound dogs, strays, gotten them from basically only say
the pound. Yeah, and they're great because they're just good
(09:30):
dogs and they're smart. And the ones I've had have
always just been like those really special dogs. They're so
glad to have a home. And my last dog that
I had Sugar. We still have her. She's awesome. She
is from the pound and she is so smart like
Puddy trained first day, like figured it out immediately.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Before Sugar, I did.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Have a designer dog, okay, which I don't normally have
designer dogs, but I had one little dog named Ruby,
which this Ruby is named after her, the og the
og Ruby, And she was a ach palm shit a
jit chiwala Pomeranian shitsu.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's an amazing combination, it really was. How is a
recipe for spiceha? Yeah? Yeah? And she was my little baby.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I got her when I was in my early twenties,
in single and she was my sidekick, you know. She
was my pocket pal, carried her everywhere. Never quite taught
her how to be potty trained. So that was a
big regret because I tried to use the pea pads
and then tried to potty train her and it just
never connected. So she was always for fifteen years of
her magnificent life, was peeing in the house, just a
(10:35):
little unpotty train, a little unpotty trained. So when we
impulsively got this Ruby, we were visiting my brother in law,
my husband's brother and their family.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
They have five kids.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
They have just like lots happening at their house all
the time, dogs and you know, four wheelers. It's just
a fun place to be. And they had just gotten
this new dog named what are.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
They named a dog? You're gonna say Ruby.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
No, they named it Naala, Okay, And she and so
Sonny got there, and my daughter's four, and she just
loves animals and so Nala. She was holding Nala the
whole time and loving Nala and.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Just it was the sweetest little dog. And I was like,
oh my god, this is so cute.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And my sister in law was like, well, I think
the breeders had like one more of these dogs, this Kvapoo.
And it was just a complete impulse and we just
went to the breeder and nobody wanted this dog because
she had a hernia all Ruby yeah, And I guess
designer dogs people want them to be perfect. And I'm like,
I did not care if she has a hernia. They're like,
it's an easy fixed whatever. So we got Ruby on
(11:34):
a whim and I am not following any of the rules.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
This is my daughter's dog.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Thankfully, Ruby loves her rough house because she and Sonny
and Ruby like play and wrestle all the time, but.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Just working on the potty training. They were seventy percent there.
She is sleeping in the bed. Oh or I'll talk
about that.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Not sure about the food situation because she started off
with one food, then went eat it and tried to
give her another one, and then she got diarrhea, and
so well, I'm just like the basics of starting up
a dog and perfect, you know, I guess, nailing down
what you need to do in the beginning I could use.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Really, the potty training is my number one.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, it is so important when they are at this age,
they're very impressionable, and we're setting them up for success
for the rest of their life. Because the Ruby og,
we know how that played out, we know how that goes.
So remind me Ruby two point zero. We'll call her.
She's fourteen weeks. Yeah, okay, I'm a big proponent.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Of the crate.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Okay, it is Yeah, it is soul sucking for someone
like me who is a dog mom.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I like, live for my dogs.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I feel like I'm torturing them, especially puppies when you
put them in the crate and they cry. I mean,
it's just like the worst thing in the world, but
it is going to.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Set you up for success.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Tell me, okay, tell me why, and then how do
you do the crate? So you want to make sure
you get a create a The size is super important.
We want to get a crate that isn't too big.
We want it to be big enough where she can
get in it, move in a circle, kind of lay
down and get subtled, but not big enough that she
can go to one side of the care and pe
and poop and then skidad all over to the other side. Okay,
So she has to be like just enough to correct,
(13:05):
like somewhat confined, but not big enough for her to
run around in it. So size is really important. I
think it's nice to have like the metal wire ones
where they can see out. And then at night, if
she's in her great which she should be, you could
throw a blanket over it. That way, it's nice and
dark and it is far and away our best tool
for potty training.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Can they make it through the whole night? At fourteen weeks?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
The kind of rule of thumb is for every month
they are plus one, that's how many hours they can
hold it through the day. Usually by this time around
fourteen weeks. Some of them can hold it overnight, but
you probably are looking at getting up once in the
early morning to take her out to go potty, and
will she like cry you think she Once she gets
great trained, she'll probably whine to let you know she
needs to go out. There's some puppies that are gonna
(13:50):
whine because they just want to be with you. But
it's almost like a baby where you start to understand,
like are you crying because you want my attention? Are
you crying because you need to go potty? But you're
I mean fourteen weeks, You've only got another like three
or four weeks, and she'll be able to hold it
through the.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Evening well just because she is sleeping in the bed.
I have noticed.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I took her out like at eleven last night, and
she did make it till like six this morning.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Okay, that's great. So now we know that she can
hold it, so this is perfect.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So yeah, I would do it all wrong, That's okay,
that's okay. So create is so important. I tell owners
potty training is on us. If they have an accident
in the house, we don't necessarily want to punish them
because we aren't necessarily doing our job.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And it's very kind of saying it saying you messed up. Yeah, yeah,
I don't. I'm not gonna say you messed up.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
But so during the day they need to go out.
It feels like one hundred times all the time. Okay,
so how often do we need it? That's like huge.
It's like every thirty minutes you gotta take them out,
or was every time after they eat, after they drink,
after they wake up from a nap, after they're done playing.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I mean it is like constant. Do you say, like,
go potty, go body, I satti.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yep, go potty, give them the chance to go. I
also am really big on if you are going to
peepad train, know, stick with pea pads for all of
you out there that are ppad training. Worst, if you're
not going to peepad train, like long term you want
them to go outside, do not start peepads at all.
Oh be really confusing for.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
The peapads or the visit the bane the vein of
my existence, the bane of my existenceney both. Yeah, because
they just don't quite get the peepad. They'll put their
front paws on it and they're pee on the carpet.
I mean, yeah, congratulations to people doing well with peapads.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I never have.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And there's a lot of like little dogs and high
rises that do great in this right right, But when
we're potty training, some people be like, well, I'm using
pea pads for now, and then I want them to
go on the grass, and that just is really difficult.
So so go outside, go to the same spot and
the same spot, yep. Make it really consistent, really consistent,
really routine, same spot, and then I find a really
high reward treat that they love. I had one dog
(15:46):
that was so hard to potty train that I got
turkey hot dogs and I slice them into tiny pieces
and the only time she got a piece of a
turkey hot dog is when she went potty outside like
she was supposed to. And that just kind of helps them.
It helps it.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
So you say, good potty, here's a treat like right then,
right then and there, so you have it with you
when you take them outside.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You want to have treats in your pockets at all
times when you have a puppy. So okay, okay, go
out with your turkey hot dogs. As soon as soon
as she goes, give her a little bit tell her
she did a great job, and then you go right
back inside and you want to make it like, hey,
you did an awesome job, like your neighbors are gonna
think you're insane, but you know, lots of reward.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay, yeah, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
So so put in the credit at night right when
you wake up, take her outside with the treat, have
it ready, yep? Then feeder, then feeder, and then right
back out to go potty again.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And how long do you wait after they eat? I
typically will go right after they eat.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
It takes her a while to poop, and like I'll
take her out and then she'll pee, and then we'll
hang out there for a while and then she just
will poop and then she'll come in and poop inside.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
That what is that?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
That is just her being young and not getting it yet.
So just stick with it. Once she goes potty, I
would only give her like a minute or two to
go poop. If she's not going to do her business,
then it's back inside because they can get kind of
distracted a butterfly, you know, and they're like I forgot
I have to yeah exactly, So back inside. Give them
a few minutes and then you can go back out
again and give it another shot. And then during the
(17:19):
day when you were not directly supervising her in the crate.
In the crate, I know it's it's soul sucking.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I'm telling we just let her when we leave, we
just leave her in the house. Oh Lord and Almighty
that I feel about that, Doctor Jersey. But I don't
feel great about that.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I mean, I suppose in some puppies it works, but
in ninety nine percent of them it's a recipe for
ruby og. Okay, okay, So as soon as I leave here,
I need to go get a crate. Yes, definitely, you
can get on Amazon. You can get them at any
pet store. Get a create immediately, yep, get to create immediately.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And the crate.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
That's a whole other thing is we want it to
be a place that they.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Want to go. How do you make it that? So
I throw a little.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Blanky in there, not too much stuff, but I'll blanket
if you want to put one of your T shirts
in there that.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Smells like you.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Throw it in a room where you guys are often in,
typically like a living room. Leave the door open that
way she can kind of come and go as she
pleases lots of positive reinforcement, so treats. When she goes
into her crate. Some people will like even feed them there.
If they're food motivated, they'll feed them their meals in
the crate. So they just we want to associate the
(18:28):
crate with positivity. We don't ever really want to use
it as punishment, like, oh, you pete in the house,
I'm going to put you in your crate.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We do not want to do that. Oh that's good advice.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And if you don't have a kong, I would get
a kng. Those are like those rubber volcano looking toys.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Put that in the crate.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I typically put like a little tablespoon of peanut butter,
throw it in the freezer. And then when you put
her in her crate and you're leaving to like run
an errand it's like, Hey, I'm going in my crate.
This is not the end of the world, because I
have a cong I have an amazing peanut butter filled cong.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Ah. That's great. Yeah. And at night when you put
them in for bed, the klong in there.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah. Okay. So Ruby is not food motivated and she
doesn't necessarily even eat, and so another issue that I've had.
It's not like an issue, but like something that I
need to figure out is I'll wake up and try
to feed her.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And originally started and.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Like the breeders were like mix some baby food in
with the food, and like she would eat that, and
then she kind of got tired of it. And then
I fed her caesars, which I don't know if that's
good quality, and then she kind of got the diarrhea.
And then she started eating sugars food. Who is my
big dog And it's just dry dog food. It's adult
dog food, but it's just dry dog food, and she
just like eats it and she's not having diarrhea. And
(19:39):
she probably eats it like twice a day, like a
little mini handful. And I don't know if that's enough food,
but I'm like, she eats it, it's not getting her diarrhea.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
She seems fine. So I will say, my.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Doodle, and you got a doodle, not my doodle, my
doodle owners Okay, okay, like poodle owners, clients, anything with
a poo in it. They are just the pickiest of eaters.
They're just I live a very special, beautiful life.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yes, I told her to be that on the way
over here, I said, listen, if all goes according to plan,
you're gonna have a great ride. Correct, It's gonna be
a you started off like at the top, you got
into a great smooth sale and family. Like.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
If it goes.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Well for you, if there's not like a you know,
an unforeseen event, you got it made.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Girl. This is a constant state of peaking. She's just
dude's peak. She just cannot not peak. It's just like
she was born at a peak.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
She just gonna stay there. It's good to be a duke.
He's on the top of every it's going to be
a doodle.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
So there are little like picky eaters and that is
very normal. I hear this all the time. So for
all you doodles owners out there, if they miss a
meal here and there, if they don't want to scarf
their food down like it is, it is par for
the course. Now with her being a puppy, we really
want her to get two meals a day too.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, so that's like how much do they need to eat? Exercise?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So I recommend for a puppy follow the back of
the bag. I do not recommend that when they're adult
because you will overfeed them and they will get fat.
But when they are puppies, follow the back of the
bag so you'll see you can figure out how much
she weighs. Just feeling her right now, she's probably like,
I don't know, twelve pounds.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You think so she was like six when we better? Yeah,
she's yeah, ten to twelve for sure. You think she
wasn't weight on? Yeah, go girl, usually.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like double in size, like every you know, three weeks
or so. Ruby, Yeah, sister, she's a heavyweight champ. So
follow follow the back of the bag based on how
old she is and how much she weighs. Okay, and
I'm all about the dry kibble you are, I am.
Do you have a brand that I have three? There's
three brands that really any veterinarian will recommend Puriana, pro
(21:38):
Plan Royal, Canaan and Hill's Science Diet. And the reason
we recommend them is they have a veterinarian on staff,
they do a lot of testing. There's a lot of
science behind them. They're well balanced diets. And it's what
I feed my dogs.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You don't feed them wet food. I do not feed
them wet food. What kind of dogs you. I have three.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I have a they're all from the streets. One's a
German shepherd, he was left at a shelter. I have
a little Pomeranian Chihuahua named Biggie. And then I have Sayah,
who followed us on vacation in Mexico and we brought
her home.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
She's really from the streets.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
She just like latched on. Yeah, she never misses a meal,
that's for sure. So yeah, wet food is not necessary
unless you recommends it for a certain reason, like sometimes
if they have kidney disease or other intestinal issues, we
might recommend wet food. But puppies and otherwise healthy dogs,
dry food's great and in fact it help us break
down like black and tartar as they get a little
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bit older. So it's good for dental health too. Okay,
so I'm gonna quickly recap. Great for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
When you're not with her, even if I'm like in
the house doing something, yes, put it in the crate.
If you're with a cower, if you're on a phone call,
if you are not directly eyes on her, in the
crate with a kong yep and a blanket.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, get her out of the bed.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I know's go see, I know I am the bad
guy every day. See what happens if she stays in
the bed.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I would say, just create for now.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So you've got potty training down, okay, then you can
slowly this is you can slowly transition her to the bed.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to
because it's all about, like you know, perception is reality.
I'm gonna let her get in the bed with Sonny
when she goes to sleep, Okay, and let Sonny go
to sleep. There you go, and then I'm gonna come
in there and I'm gonna get the dog. Yeah, I'm
gonna take her pee one more time, and then I'm
gonna put her in the crate.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I think that's perfect. That is my strategy. Perfect. And
then Sonny will never know the difference.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And then I can bring her in the morning and
just wake her up with the dog exactly. Yeah, Sonny
is Caroline's daughter, just everyone else. Yeah, Sonny's my daughter,
and this is Sonny's dog. Yes, like it's perfect. They
love each other, thank god. This designer dog, this kabapoo
can wrestle though, because Sonny and her will get on
the couch and they'll like, they'll like get after it,
and I'm like, Sonny, you've got to be gentle with
this dog.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
But I mean they have so much fun. She's a
little tough, so sleepy today. Yeah, they play hard. He's longed.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So yeah, get her ninety five percent potty trained, give
it like a solid quarter. Let's do three months and
then when you and I know it's going to be hard.
But then once you feel like you've got it down
ninety five percent, you can at night start to let
her into the bed and see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It'll be okay.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's gonna set you because you know, I don't for
success and I can't. I can't do Ruby one again,
although I love her so much, But peeing in the
house for fifteen years, that's too long.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I can't do that. That's a lot of carpet cleaning.
It's a lot of pea smell too. You can never
quite get it out. You can never goes away.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You cannot. I yes, So it will be worth it.
The next three months are going to shape the next
fifteen years for her.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
So this is like my life.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Just buckle down and do the hard work in the
beginning and at build build it strong exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Then you're set up for success.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Sometimes the hardest thing is the right thing always you
always always got to do it.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Okay, So did we already talk about the hernia? We
have talked about it prior to this. Oh yeah, so
she her vagina has not popped.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Okay, love that for us whatever. They're like, Okay, she's
got two problems. It's her vagina needs to pop. And
I'm like okay, and she's got a hernia and I'm
like okay, So they knocked like a thousand dollars off
the price.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I'm like, if people really care about this, yeah, that
is crazy town usually. Let me just I'm gonna look
check her hernia and age.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I've checked the hernia. Okay, what does that even mean?
It hasn't popped. Okay, I see what we're working with here.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So okay, well, I guess in medical terms we call
it a volva sorry JJ for fun for vulva kiss
her hers she kiss is a little bit recessed. What
that means is they have a volva and there's an
extra like little flap of skin and it's just like
kind of sitting a little bit more recessed than other dogs.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
The recess means like in it's just like sucked back
a little bit, and they're like, but they want to
The breeder said, wait till her first period, But I
don't even know if I want to wait for a period.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Her recess vulva is relatively mild. We can see how
she progresses. I think you're going to start bringing her
to the clinic, so we'll keep a close eye on
her for JJ. So what the breeder is saying is
that with time and with estrogen and with each heat cycle,
that the JJ will get engorged and it will kind
of come out of that little like sheath of skin.
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So you also think we should wait for a cycle.
I don't know that I would make that decision just yet.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
She's really young. It's not super recessed.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
To me.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I would say, let's give it a little bit of
time and see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
What could happen with recessed It can predispose them to
getting UTIs. When they have that little extra skin flap
right there, it can get kind of dirty and urine
can get stuck in there, and then they can get UTI's.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So I'd be like wiping it.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yes, I wouldn't start doing it now, like she's just
a baby and it's nice and clean, But if it
stays recessed through her life, then.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I will recommend wiping it. Okay, if she didn't have.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
A recessed but JJ, I would definitely say let's spay
her before her first her first heat cycle.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Does that happen when it's a heat cycle and a
small dog.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I like to savee them around six to seven months
of age, so the first heat cycle can happen really
anytime as early as six months, as late as like eight, nine, ten.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Months, So we just got to wait for it. Well,
we're gonna wait and see.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
But my inclination is we should probably still go ahead
and spay her before her first heat cycle. Yeah, I
think her a JJ is going to be fine.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I'm like they came in and it was like so serious.
You're like, okay, so you might not want this dog
because she's got hernia and a resessed olva.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Uh huh. I'm like you're like, I don't know what
that means.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I've really only got pound puppies my whole life, so
like I'm totally fine with not a perfect dog, right,
but is it like an.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Issue or we need to be worried about this?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And I think such a big takeaway for me with
this is when owners get a new puppy, whether it's
from a shelter or from a breeder, take it to
your vet, like typically within the first week or two
of having it. Thank God that I'm doing this podcast.
I tell you you knew this was going to happen,
So you're off the hook.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Okay, I did not because I need to go to that.
I think she needs shots too. Actually, yeah, she need
to bok an appointment with you next week.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, come on in. Okay, but it's so important for us.
The biggest goal of the first visit is to do
a really good physical exam. Do they have hernia? Do
they have a heart murmur? How is there of a
JJ looking like? What kind of decisions do we need
to be making to set them up for success the
rest of their life. So a lot of people will
wait like a month, two months, and I the longest
I would wait would be two weeks.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Ooh gosh, thank goodness I'm doing this podcast. I would
not have known that it worked out great. What would
you say is the most rewarding part about being a
vet and is the most challenging part.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I think the most rewarding part is watching the human
animal bond. So it's so special, I think. I mean,
animals are to me the most special things in the world.
They give us unconditional love and they can just melt
even the hardest heart. So I really love to see
how bonded people are with their animals and to be
able to like strengthen that. And then I would say
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the hardest part is it can be draining. I mean
it's sometimes I'm part time therapist. Sometimes I am you know,
part time doctor. So being on every twenty month and
meeting new people and people are you know, usually very stressed,
springing in their pets. It can be taxing in that sense.
So it's interesting, like what my favorite thing and what
(29:08):
the most challenging thing are very they go hand in hand,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Interesting because it's all about the heart connection.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It's all about the heart. It is a heart filled
career for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
It's almost like calling, isn't it it is? Did you
call to be a vet?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I absolutely, I've always loved animals. You'll hear any vet
tell you that. But I have never worked in any
other field. When I was fifteen, I started working in
a vet clinic and I wasn't doing it for eighteen years.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So I was dacked. You just it never crossed your
mind that you wanted to do one other thing.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Never for one minute. I was like, maybe I should
be a human doctor, and then I was like, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I feel like the vet is actually harder though, because
like you have to know how to operate on all
different bodies, Like you have to know a cat, and
I know you can like specialize, but like cat, a dog,
what if someone brings a freaking burden, you know, or
a turtle like I all of a sudden, you got
to cut into a random body.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, there's so many types.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
The other thing too, it people don't realize is when
you go to your doctor, if you have a problem,
they're going to refer you to an internist or a
cardiologist or an ophthalmologist. And we do it all like
I'll do eye surgery, I'll do oral surgery. Ill I
amputated a toe yesterday. Like it's just you have to
know so many things.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It is the great challenge. We call it the wild
West of medicine. But it's so rewarding in that sense.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
But that's different than a doctor because you're right, like
a doctor goes and learns about one specific part of
the body, or I guess a general practitioner might know right,
kind of more of the body. But it's like it's
kind of like more in narratory siloed. Yes, but you
have to just know everything.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
We do it all. You're smart. You are brilliant.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
You're a very smart person to be able to know
all that and retain all that and be able to
operate and teach people things and tell them things and
take care of living creatures.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
All.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, thanks, it's a rewarding job. We're very lucky. Vets
are amazing. Yeah, if you're out there, tell your vet
thank you. It's a really challenging job. So and it's rewarding,
but we we don't get thank you enough. So next
time you're at your vet to tell them thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Well, I want to say thank you to you and
all the vets because I like even what we talked
about today, I had no idea all this stuff. I
guess the last one of the last questions I have
is how do you teach her her name because we haven't.
Another thing I haven't been doing right is putting her
on the leash to take her out. I just let
her go out and then I try to call her name.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
That's okay, I mean, she's so young, they honestly are
confused as to what a leash is usually at this point.
So taking her out setting her down in the grass
is fine. I probably would say in the next few weeks,
start introducing the leash. If you're planning on taking her
for a walk.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I put her on the leash and we've done some walk,
she's fine with it. Okay, great then, but you're fine though.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
If you're just taking her out in the backyard and
setting her down to go potty, that's no big deal.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
But the problem is then she'll take off. Oh well,
then she'll start running like crazy puppy zoomies all over
the yard and she won't.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Come isn't that the best? I love Zoomie.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's adorable until she won't come back right, And then
I literally have to like try to dive and intercept her,
like try to get her with a treat or a
stick or a leaf and our get sugar other dog
to try to lead her back into the house and
I'm like, oh my gosh, I've lost control.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You're like, I'm just completely out of control.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah. It is the dog's world and I'm just living
in it basically. So again, we're gonna go back to
really high reward treats for training right now. She's fourteen weeks, Like,
I don't expect too much from them, but repetition, high
reward treats. You probably teach her to sit at this point.
Come and getting her to know her name takes a
little bit longer, but I would just be super consistent
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with it. So Ruby, come and if she starts walking
towards you, lots of praise and a treat right away, okay,
and she'll start to associate and know if I do this,
then I'm gonna get a treat and that's it'll click. Okay,
I'm gonna have to listen back to this podcast. Just
remember all these things, but I got it. Okay, So great,
when you're gone and at night with a caong lots
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of praise, yep, hard kibble's fine hard kibbles, fine puppy food.
You want to make sure it's puppy food. That's super important.
So not the dog food that she knows she's eating
sugar's food. But I really would do puppy I need
to take a trip to pet Smart. Yeah, get a call,
a crate and puppy food exactly. Yes, puppy food has
higher protein and fat, all the things that they need
when they're growing, and adult food tends.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
To have less of that.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So puppy food for sure, out the bed, out the
bed and the crate, lots of higher word treats.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
When she's doing what you want her.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
To do, come visit you get her fully checked out. Yes,
come visit me, get her checked out. We'll go through
all of the vaccines that she needs. The other big
thing is year round flee, tick and heartworm prevention. You'll
hear people say like, well, we don't have you know,
fleas or ticks, or people don't even know what heartworms are,
which is fair, they just don't know about it. But
it is so important, especially here in Tennessee. Heartworms are
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transmitted through mosquito bites and I probably diagnose I don't know,
five to ten a month and it is life threatening,
really expensive to treat. So year round prevention is super important,
which we'll talk about our visit.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Okay, so on my report card, I think I'm failing. Right,
you are not failing. No love is there? That's good.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
That is the most important. The TLC is most important.
All the else falls into place. So and this is
you know, when you go to your first VET visit,
you should get all this information. And then she'll need
to go to the VET two or three times after
her first visit. And that's always like a really nice
touch base for us, like how are things going with
the create?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
How is she enjoying the kong? Like how is the
body training?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And then at her last visit, I really try and
touch on Okay, when are we gonna spay?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
How's her for JJ?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Look now, how's her hernia feel now? Which, by the way,
we'll fix her hernia at the time of her spe Okay,
hernias are fairly common, So what is a hernia? Hernia
is well, umbilical hernia is what she has. And so
our umbilicus, our belly button is where our body wall
comes together as we're all developing humans and dogs, and
in her case, her body wall didn't come all the
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way together, so there's just like a little hole there
where intestinal like fat from inside her intestines and bellies
can kind of like poke through and it's just not safe.
It's not safe sometimes in sins can get like trapped
in there. Oh okay, and then we have a big problem.
So we're gonna go make an incision there anyways for
her space, so it's super easy to fix. At the
(35:09):
same time, Okay, Yeah, a lot of puppies come to
me with hernias. It is not not something to be
and we want to address it for sure, But it's
not into.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
The world by any means.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
So I don't feel like I have any buyer's remorse.
Like normally when I like buy something big, like a
animal or a house, you do something crazy, it's like,
oh my god, what did I do? Right? I don't
feel that way with her, which is great, great, but
I do feel like I got a lot of things
to change.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
One of the first things I ask clients when they
come in is, especially with a new puppy, how are
you how you feeling?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Are you better? Any regrets?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I think people just they don't realize, like they're like,
I'm gonna get a cute, fluffy puppy, and then it's
like it's a lot of work, and it's a huge commitment,
and so you need to be prepared. But most people,
I would say ninety nine percent of them don't feel
any regret and the joy that comes from it greatly
outweighs the The night she had diarrhea challenge and she
had to go to the bathroom every two hours, I
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was like, literally, because you know, like when you're in
the middle of something, you're like, this is my life
forever now, yeah, like it's never going to change.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
What have I done?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
She's gonna have to go out every two hours for
the rest of my life, right, and you I mean,
obviously it's never like that, But in the moment, I'm like, Okay,
this is it, Like this is this is how we
live now totally, and there was a moment where I
was like, wow, okay, did it, we did it?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
But all my puppy owners go through that at some point,
especially when they come in for like their sixteen week visit.
Owners hands are like covered in teethmarks and they're like tired.
The owners have like bags under their eyes. I'm like,
it's okay, you're in the thick of it. It's going
to get better. But yeah, everyone, everyone with a puppy
has been there for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
But then I have the fear looming in the back
of my head. What if Ruby two is like Ruby
one and I don't do the things I'm supposed to do.
So I need to follow the checklist because I know
what it's like to not get it worked out in
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yes, it's worth it. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
You feel like you're a mean dog owner, but laying
down the groundwork is just going to set you up
for success. So it is one hundred percent, million percent
worth it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Okay, I'm ready, doctor Darcy. You can do this. We
can do this.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
We can do this, we can do this. You hear that, Ruby, Ruby,
we got this. It's happening. She's out like a light.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I know. She's so chill.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
She's amazing. She's a great dog. She's a good girl,
she really is. I don't know if she's been like
her coring all morning and now she's just exhausted, or.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
She goes hard and then but she will chill like
if you are like, okay, let's get in the car,
let's go somewhere. Even if she was like going nuts
the second floor running around with the zoomies. She will
immediately calm down. I love that that's the cavalier in them.
It is Cavaliers are so special. Yeah, they're very sweet.
They are bred to like sit on the queen's lap,
so total lap dog. Yes, yeah, she just wants to chill,
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like if you hold her like this, she will just stay.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I've never ever experienced anything like this in the dog.
And I've had some great, special like magical dogs, but
I have never She's a love had a dog that
just will hang out.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I know, she's like melted like butter. She's like melted
this whole time. She's just been sitting with you. Well,
this is so great.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I'm so glad we were able to have you on
and answer you some puppy questions, and we may have
to have you back as puppyhood progresses.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
To follow along.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I think we should, yeah, because the first puppy visit
is not the same as the second and the third,
and we talk about so many different things. So and really,
you're gonna have to do a check it on me,
like are you doing your work?
Speaker 1 (38:19):
That's your n This it's gonna be the Caroline check out,
like we know, Ruby's gonna she's good. Are you doing
what you need to do?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
It really is about the owner, it is it. Ninety
percent of the time is about the owner. We have
to train ourselves and that is the hardest thing.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Isn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
H Yeah, Well, I'm so glad for all this information
and I feel I feel like I have some steps
you can play it that I will that I'm going
to do and.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. I believe
in you. You can do it. It's a great dog.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
So she's gonna do wonderful and you're gonna you're gonna
crush it. You're an amazing dog mom. So you got this.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Thanks, Thanks so welcome, Thanks for coming, Thanks for having me.
This is awesome. I I believe how much I needed
to know this, so I really appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Okay, that was a great interview with Caroline. I felt
like so much of it was me telling her what
not to do as a puppy mom, which leads me
to paw and Order of the week. Here are five
things I would not do as a first time puppy owner,
or really a puppy owner.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
At all.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Number one, I would not feed adult food. It is
really important to feed puppy food. We want to make
sure that they get all that fat and protein that
they need. They're growing so fast and adult food tends
to be less caloric, and so it's really important when
they are puppies, feed them puppy food. Number two, I
would not punish your puppy for pottying in the house.
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That is very important. I feel like that's like potty
training a child. I'm like, listening to you guys talking
about it, I'm like, I'm taking notes when I go
back home and teach my son to go potty. Yeah, exactly.
We just it's really on the humans to be on
top of it. They are very young, they are learning.
It's a really formative time, so any kind of like
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negative punishment can really stick with them through the rest
of their lifetime. So positive reinforcement only if they go
in the house. It's usually ninety nine point nine to
nine percent of the time our fault as the human.
Number three, I would not forget to play with your puppies.
Ears mouth and pause. It is really important to desensitize
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your puppy. They are going to need their nails trimmed.
They're going to need their ears cleaned, We're going to
need to brush their teeth. So when they're young, we
want them to be getting used to having all their
body parts sort of touch and manipulated. And I can
speak firsthand my little chihuahua at home. I go to
trim his toenails and it is like World War three.
Oh really, Oh my god, he screams, he tries to
(40:56):
bite me. I mean, it's just a total nightmare. And
so I adopt him until he was an adult. But okay,
I can guarantee you he was not desensitized as a puppy.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Hey, doctor Josie, you're the one that knows this.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
But yeah, it's hard when you rescues, like it does
take time if they're older. I mean my friend she
when I got her as a puppy, I didn't even
realize I was doing it, but I used to flip
her on her back all the time. Yeah, and just
rubb her belly and like massage your feet and you know,
scratch your ears and everything. And that desensitized her so much,
which was great for my son because when I had him,
he does not know gentle very well. And she was
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just so good with him because of that being started
as a puppy.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
She's like I got this. Yeah, she's like, pull on
my ear, grab my feet, It's fine. And she was
an older dog.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
So I can firsthand say that doing that is so important,
especially when you're gonna have kids around and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Absolutely, And if you if they have to go to
the groomer frequently, it will just make everyone's.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Life a lot. Yes, exactly sensitized. Please please, I beg you.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Number four, I would not take it to a dog
park a especially before it's fully vaccinate. The risk of
them contracting something at the dog park is really high,
and then be the dog park can be sort of
a scary place for puppies. A lot of the dogs
there can get together and have gang mentality and I know,
kind of beat up on the little puppies. And again,
(42:16):
this is like such an important period where we want
them to have positive experiences only, so I really recommend
avoiding the dog park.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
That is something I did not think.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I you know, most people would probably think like, oh,
I want to go get the zoomies out, take them.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
To the dog park.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yes, And we want to socialize and yeah, want puppies
to play with other dogs and.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Trolled socialization exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Dog parks are tricky because it's like puppy comes in
and like forty dogs come exactly running at them. Yeah
and the dogs. Yeah, it's just avoid the dog park.
Avoid the dog park with puppies. Okay, good number five.
I would not give bully sticks as a treat people.
For whatever reason, owners love to give bully sticks. And
they are to me so gross. I don't think people
(42:56):
realize they are. I feel like I've said penis so
many times on this podcas. I mean, we're just gonna
stay on the sceme. They are quite literally bowl penises.
They really are bowl pizzles what they call it. Oh,
I did not hear that. Yes, people don't realize it.
It's so gross. They smell so bad. They are caked
in bacteria. I can't tell you how many dogs I
(43:17):
have that eat a bully stick and then come in
with vomiting and diarrhea and they can fracture teeth on them.
They are just I would avoid them at all costs.
I feel like too, if they're bacteria, like, especially for
puppy teeth and stuff like that. That's probably not the
greatest or any dog in general. So just no bully
sticks ever, I say, no boy sticks ever. Okay, good
to know.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I'll have a like a doodle or a dog with
a beard come in and I'll be doing it as
exam and I can smell. I'll be like, this dog
has had a bully stick, like the remnants of the
bully stick are in its beard and it's still like
kind of reeks. So is it bad that I legitimately
thought it was like for bully hype bully breeds, not
a bull's genitalia. Yeah, okay, the naming is very miss misleading. Ye,
(44:00):
So yeah, avoid the bully sticks. Okay, So those my
five don't don't have a puppy, it's very.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Good to know.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
And I love that anybody who has a puppy, I
feel like they can reference back to this podcast if
they have like questions, so they're like, wait, what was
I supposed to do again? And I think it'd be
really fun too. With Caroline, which you guys mentioned in
the interview, is that maybe to do like a follow up,
because now that she's gotten all the great advice from you,
we can kind of go back in, you know, three
(44:27):
four months and be like, how's it going?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, are you following the rules? Caroline listen.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I love that she was like making sure she was,
you know, going over the things again and did she
write them down right?
Speaker 1 (44:39):
I think she was.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
She was riding them in her Bookay, I saw the
wheels turning great. Yeah, I totally agree. I think the
first puppy visit we touch on so many things, and
then three months later there's so many other things going on.
So yeah, we will certainly have to do a follow
up with her and see how it's going. Definitely, well,
that's gonna be fun, and I feel like this episode
will be really great for anybody who is linking about
(45:00):
getting a puppy or has a puppy. Like you guys
were saying, it's not too late. If you have a
puppy and things aren't maybe going right as planned so far,
you now still make a change and have positive, you
know change with potty and no sleeping in the bed
and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, no,
it's not too late. And you know the saying you
can teach an old dog new tricks, you can certainly
teach a new dog new tricks, so it's never too
(45:22):
late to start doing good habits and setting them up
for success.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Awesome. All right, that.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Concludes our final episode of our very first season, but
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(45:49):
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You're listening to In the Vets Office with doctor Josie Horchak.
All right, welcome to in the Vets Office.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I am your host, Doctor Josie, and this is our
very last episode of our first season of this podcast.
I have had such a blast doing this. I was
just talking to a friend this morning and we were laughing.
I was like, you know, I had never talked into
a microphone, or been in a studio or had all
these bright lights prior to doing this podcast. And it's
(00:40):
been just such a fun project for me and getting
me out of the clinic and doing something a little
bit different. So thank you all for listening and indulging
me in this. It's been a blast. Our episode today
is a really great one. I was listening back. We
interview Caroline Hobby, who is a Fella Nashville Podcast Network member,
(01:03):
and she brings in her new puppy, and if I'm
being completely honest, this was our very first interview of
the season. So I think we did this interview probably
about nine ten months ago, and as I was listening back,
I was like, wow, that's so cute. I sound so
scared and nervous, and I remember my armpits were sweating
the day I came in and I had butterflies and
(01:25):
I was talking so softly into the microphone. My producer
Morgan was like, so him a little bit of your personality,
and I was like, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's definitely I've come a long way, I will say.
And it's fun to listen back, and it is a
really great episode. We talk all about having a new puppy,
which is you know, we'll delve into it, but having
a new puppy is such an undertaking and there are
so many questions that come with it, so we really
go from A to Z and I think you guys
(01:54):
are going to love it, so we will dive right
in and take a listen. I hope you guys enjoy it.
So Caroline Hobby is your guest today, which I'm excited
to hear about because you guys are talking about puppies.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So I hope I don't get puppy fever.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh you will. Her puppy Ruby is adorable. She We're
going to do her interview a little bit later in
the podcast, and we talk about everything. The goal of
this interview is just to talk about everything puppy related
that is really like the biggest, most informative that visit
that I have with my clients is their initial puppy visit.
(02:29):
So we go through everything from create training to potty
training to what do I feed my puppy to you know,
my hot takes on wet dog food and their first
physical exam.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, there's just so much ground to cover.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And so Caroline just got a brand new puppy, and
I thought, what better way to kick off this podcast
than with a new puppy and doing that sort of
new puppy talk as I call.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It, which is so important.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I feel like I didn't have that knowledge at all
when I got it. I did not know what I
was signing up for when I fourteen years ago got
my puppy. So I wish I could go back in
time and listen to this totally. It's funny. I hear
so many owners say that, and I'm like, I need
to start some sort of like education course or school
where it's like, you're thinking about getting a puppy, here
(03:13):
are these things you need to consider beforehand. So maybe
this podcast will be kind of like that. But yeah,
it's some people go into it and maybe a little
blind which is great. I mean, you figure out as
you learn, but there's so much information it can be
information overload in the beginning. Oh for sure, it's like
a pre course. I feel like saying this is strange,
(03:34):
but like kind of to having a child. Yeah, it's
like a little bit of a taste of what you're
going to get when you have a baby. Because I
now have a son who's turning three, and I'm like,
I'm also botty training right now.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's like I kind of had a taste of.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That when I had Phoebe, and I would probably my
French bulldog go go back.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And maybe do it a little differently. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, when I'm finally swaddling human babies, I hopefully will
be ready it will be a little similar to what
what it's like puppies.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So oh yeah, you'll be fine. I'm excited for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Anyways, though, before we get to the interview, I wanted
to start off, I think a cool thing is for
listeners to get a little bit of behind the scenes
of what we see in the trenches as I like
to call it so in the vet clinic and in
true sticking with the theme of puppies this week, I
had a really cool case of the week not too
(04:25):
long ago, and this puppy came into us, and in
the interview with Caroline, I really stress how important it
is to bring them into the vet so that we
can do a really great physical exam. And on this
particular puppies first physical exam, we noted that she had
a vulva, which is essentially a vagina, and then she
also had a little penis sticking out, which.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Was a surprise.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So this is the first hermaphrodite that I've actually ever
diagnosed in clinic. And goodness, I know the owner was shocked.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I was shocked. I'm shocked.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I've never heard of that in a puppy before. Yeah, yeah,
it was crazy. And so then the real question was
when I go to spae this dog, what am I
gonna find when I get in there? Is she going
to have ovaries? She going to have testicles? We didn't
really know, so we didn't ultrasound. The ultrascenographer said, Yep,
I'm pretty sure these are ovaries. The mom was very excited.
(05:19):
She had a big girl girl. She had a big
gender reveal party with all of her friends. No, she
was so excited and then I take the puppy to surgery.
I get in there and it's two testicles.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, what do you do? You take them out? Okay,
you took him out.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah yeah, we took him out just I mean it's
a newter slash spee.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah exactly. So we did it.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And then I had to call her and said, you know,
they were actually testicles. She comes to pick up our puppies,
She's like, I just what do you think she identifies
as or he identifies as? I'm so torn, Like I
already had this gender reveal party and I was like,
you know, I think we'll just stick with a girl.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's a girl.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So on the exterior, yeah, yes, well half and half though,
half and half.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, it was really interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And so did the owner know when they brought them
the puppy in that what's the puppy's name?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
First of all, Darby? Darby?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Okay, so did they bring the puppy in noticing that
there was something strange, She was like, this looks unusual,
but most owner, I mean, it was so tiny at
that time it would be very hard to see. So
it was really us catching it on physical exam. Wow, yeah,
that she was not expecting that. When she puppy in,
she handled it beautifully. She's like, I will love it
no matter what it is. But yeah, it was. Really
(06:35):
it's pretty rare to find. And again, it just like
stresses the importance of that first physical exam is so
so important.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, man, that's crazy. Yeah it's a girl. We stuck
with a girl. Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Tell she looked at me, She's like, I'm a girl.
I was like, okay, I got you.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So the gender reveal was not a fail. No, not
a fail. It's good.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Derby is a female. Derby is a female. And that's
the first time you've ever seen or heard anything of that. Like,
when you're in school, do you study and actually have
like knowledge based.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
On what to do when that happened.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yes, we learn about it, but it's pretty rare. We
don't see it often. So it was the first one
I personally have have been a part of crazy. I mean,
I've actually had experience with that in horses. Yeah, we
did have a mare that I was always like, oh,
a female horse that seemed like she was a boy,
And my whole life with her, I was always like,
(07:25):
I just feel like she has such a male presence
about her, and then when we went to breed heruse
she had really good bloodlines. The vet was like, she
actually has the testes in there, guys, you cannot breed her.
And we were like, what, So that's crazy. The odds
of us both having experience if that is very unusual
for all your listeners out here, it's not normal. The
(07:45):
likelihood of you having hermaphrodite is very very unlikely.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But it happened, and yeah, it can happen.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And so she's fine, Yeah, she's doing great. Okay, when
you take the testicles out, I mean, we'll see. It
was pretty recent, but we expect for that her little
peepy penis to like, you know, kind of shrink and
go away without her having all that testosterone. So right,
because yeah, that's what the testes would have produced her,
was like some testosterone, and her you know, demeanor just
might be more like a boy dog. Yeah, but yeah,
(08:14):
all right, Well I'm super excited because Caroline Hobby just
got a puppy and you guys are going to talk
about all things to do with puppies, doos and don'ts
and all that. So you guys are going to take
it away and I'm going to sit here and hope
that I don't get puppy fever while we talk about
all the puppies on in the vet's office with Doctor Josie.
(08:35):
Today we have Miss Caroline Hobby. We're so excited to
have her. She is the host of the Get Real podcast.
She is a songwriter. She has been on The Amazing Race.
She has a mom, she is a wife, and most importantly,
she is a new puppy owner, a little miss Ruby. Hey, Rubes,
(08:55):
Ruby sitting in my lap right now. So tell us
a little bit about Ruby.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Like how old she is? Cambritas.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
So, I actually am super excited to be here because
I do need to talk to you about a lot
of things.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I love animals, always had dogs. I am not great
at like the discipline or you know, getting all the
rules correct or anything like that. So I've had a
bunch of dogs my whole life. Most of them have
been pound dogs, strays, gotten them from basically only say
the pound. Yeah, and they're great because they're just good
(09:30):
dogs and they're smart. And the ones I've had have
always just been like those really special dogs. They're so
glad to have a home. And my last dog that
I had Sugar. We still have her. She's awesome. She
is from the pound and she is so smart like
Puddy trained first day, like figured it out immediately.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Before Sugar, I did.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Have a designer dog, okay, which I don't normally have
designer dogs, but I had one little dog named Ruby,
which this Ruby is named after her, the og the
og Ruby, And she was a ach palm shit a
jit chiwala Pomeranian shitsu.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's an amazing combination, it really was. How is a
recipe for spiceha? Yeah? Yeah? And she was my little baby.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I got her when I was in my early twenties,
in single and she was my sidekick, you know. She
was my pocket pal, carried her everywhere. Never quite taught
her how to be potty trained. So that was a
big regret because I tried to use the pea pads
and then tried to potty train her and it just
never connected. So she was always for fifteen years of
her magnificent life, was peeing in the house, just a
(10:35):
little unpotty train, a little unpotty trained. So when we
impulsively got this Ruby, we were visiting my brother in law,
my husband's brother and their family.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
They have five kids.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
They have just like lots happening at their house all
the time, dogs and you know, four wheelers. It's just
a fun place to be. And they had just gotten
this new dog named what are.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
They named a dog? You're gonna say Ruby.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
No, they named it Naala, Okay, And she and so
Sonny got there, and my daughter's four, and she just
loves animals and so Nala. She was holding Nala the
whole time and loving Nala and.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Just it was the sweetest little dog. And I was like,
oh my god, this is so cute.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And my sister in law was like, well, I think
the breeders had like one more of these dogs, this Kvapoo.
And it was just a complete impulse and we just
went to the breeder and nobody wanted this dog because
she had a hernia all Ruby yeah, And I guess
designer dogs people want them to be perfect. And I'm like,
I did not care if she has a hernia. They're like,
it's an easy fixed whatever. So we got Ruby on
(11:34):
a whim and I am not following any of the rules.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
This is my daughter's dog.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Thankfully, Ruby loves her rough house because she and Sonny
and Ruby like play and wrestle all the time, but.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Just working on the potty training. They were seventy percent there.
She is sleeping in the bed. Oh or I'll talk
about that.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Not sure about the food situation because she started off
with one food, then went eat it and tried to
give her another one, and then she got diarrhea, and
so well, I'm just like the basics of starting up
a dog and perfect, you know, I guess, nailing down
what you need to do in the beginning I could use.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Really, the potty training is my number one.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, it is so important when they are at this age,
they're very impressionable, and we're setting them up for success
for the rest of their life. Because the Ruby og,
we know how that played out, we know how that goes.
So remind me Ruby two point zero. We'll call her.
She's fourteen weeks. Yeah, okay, I'm a big proponent.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Of the crate.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Okay, it is Yeah, it is soul sucking for someone
like me who is a dog mom.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I like, live for my dogs.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I feel like I'm torturing them, especially puppies when you
put them in the crate and they cry. I mean,
it's just like the worst thing in the world, but
it is going to.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Set you up for success.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Tell me, okay, tell me why, and then how do
you do the crate? So you want to make sure
you get a create a The size is super important.
We want to get a crate that isn't too big.
We want it to be big enough where she can
get in it, move in a circle, kind of lay
down and get subtled, but not big enough that she
can go to one side of the care and pe
and poop and then skidad all over to the other side. Okay,
So she has to be like just enough to correct,
(13:05):
like somewhat confined, but not big enough for her to
run around in it. So size is really important. I
think it's nice to have like the metal wire ones
where they can see out. And then at night, if
she's in her great which she should be, you could
throw a blanket over it. That way, it's nice and
dark and it is far and away our best tool
for potty training.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Can they make it through the whole night? At fourteen weeks?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
The kind of rule of thumb is for every month
they are plus one, that's how many hours they can
hold it through the day. Usually by this time around
fourteen weeks. Some of them can hold it overnight, but
you probably are looking at getting up once in the
early morning to take her out to go potty, and
will she like cry you think she Once she gets
great trained, she'll probably whine to let you know she
needs to go out. There's some puppies that are gonna
(13:50):
whine because they just want to be with you. But
it's almost like a baby where you start to understand,
like are you crying because you want my attention? Are
you crying because you need to go potty? But you're
I mean fourteen weeks, You've only got another like three
or four weeks, and she'll be able to hold it
through the.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Evening well just because she is sleeping in the bed.
I have noticed.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I took her out like at eleven last night, and
she did make it till like six this morning.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Okay, that's great. So now we know that she can
hold it, so this is perfect.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So yeah, I would do it all wrong, That's okay,
that's okay. So create is so important. I tell owners
potty training is on us. If they have an accident
in the house, we don't necessarily want to punish them
because we aren't necessarily doing our job.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And it's very kind of saying it saying you messed up. Yeah, yeah,
I don't. I'm not gonna say you messed up.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
But so during the day they need to go out.
It feels like one hundred times all the time. Okay,
so how often do we need it? That's like huge.
It's like every thirty minutes you gotta take them out,
or was every time after they eat, after they drink,
after they wake up from a nap, after they're done playing.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I mean it is like constant. Do you say, like,
go potty, go body, I satti.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yep, go potty, give them the chance to go. I
also am really big on if you are going to
peepad train, know, stick with pea pads for all of
you out there that are ppad training. Worst, if you're
not going to peepad train, like long term you want
them to go outside, do not start peepads at all.
Oh be really confusing for.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
The peapads or the visit the bane the vein of
my existence, the bane of my existenceney both. Yeah, because
they just don't quite get the peepad. They'll put their
front paws on it and they're pee on the carpet.
I mean, yeah, congratulations to people doing well with peapads.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I never have.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And there's a lot of like little dogs and high
rises that do great in this right right, But when
we're potty training, some people be like, well, I'm using
pea pads for now, and then I want them to
go on the grass, and that just is really difficult.
So so go outside, go to the same spot and
the same spot, yep. Make it really consistent, really consistent,
really routine, same spot, and then I find a really
high reward treat that they love. I had one dog
(15:46):
that was so hard to potty train that I got
turkey hot dogs and I slice them into tiny pieces
and the only time she got a piece of a
turkey hot dog is when she went potty outside like
she was supposed to. And that just kind of helps them.
It helps it.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
So you say, good potty, here's a treat like right then,
right then and there, so you have it with you
when you take them outside.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You want to have treats in your pockets at all
times when you have a puppy. So okay, okay, go
out with your turkey hot dogs. As soon as soon
as she goes, give her a little bit tell her
she did a great job, and then you go right
back inside and you want to make it like, hey,
you did an awesome job, like your neighbors are gonna
think you're insane, but you know, lots of reward.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay, yeah, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
So so put in the credit at night right when
you wake up, take her outside with the treat, have
it ready, yep? Then feeder, then feeder, and then right
back out to go potty again.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And how long do you wait after they eat? I
typically will go right after they eat.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
It takes her a while to poop, and like I'll
take her out and then she'll pee, and then we'll
hang out there for a while and then she just
will poop and then she'll come in and poop inside.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
That what is that?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
That is just her being young and not getting it yet.
So just stick with it. Once she goes potty, I
would only give her like a minute or two to
go poop. If she's not going to do her business,
then it's back inside because they can get kind of
distracted a butterfly, you know, and they're like I forgot
I have to yeah exactly, So back inside. Give them
a few minutes and then you can go back out
again and give it another shot. And then during the
(17:19):
day when you were not directly supervising her in the crate.
In the crate, I know it's it's soul sucking.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I'm telling we just let her when we leave, we
just leave her in the house. Oh Lord and Almighty
that I feel about that, Doctor Jersey. But I don't
feel great about that.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I mean, I suppose in some puppies it works, but
in ninety nine percent of them it's a recipe for
ruby og. Okay, okay, So as soon as I leave here,
I need to go get a crate. Yes, definitely, you
can get on Amazon. You can get them at any
pet store. Get a create immediately, yep, get to create immediately.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And the crate.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
That's a whole other thing is we want it to
be a place that they.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Want to go. How do you make it that? So
I throw a little.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Blanky in there, not too much stuff, but I'll blanket
if you want to put one of your T shirts
in there that.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Smells like you.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Throw it in a room where you guys are often in,
typically like a living room. Leave the door open that
way she can kind of come and go as she
pleases lots of positive reinforcement, so treats. When she goes
into her crate. Some people will like even feed them there.
If they're food motivated, they'll feed them their meals in
the crate. So they just we want to associate the
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crate with positivity. We don't ever really want to use
it as punishment, like, oh, you pete in the house,
I'm going to put you in your crate.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We do not want to do that. Oh that's good advice.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And if you don't have a kong, I would get
a kng. Those are like those rubber volcano looking toys.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Put that in the crate.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I typically put like a little tablespoon of peanut butter,
throw it in the freezer. And then when you put
her in her crate and you're leaving to like run
an errand it's like, Hey, I'm going in my crate.
This is not the end of the world, because I
have a cong I have an amazing peanut butter filled cong.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Ah. That's great. Yeah. And at night when you put
them in for bed, the klong in there.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah. Okay. So Ruby is not food motivated and she
doesn't necessarily even eat, and so another issue that I've had.
It's not like an issue, but like something that I
need to figure out is I'll wake up and try
to feed her.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And originally started and.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Like the breeders were like mix some baby food in
with the food, and like she would eat that, and
then she kind of got tired of it. And then
I fed her caesars, which I don't know if that's
good quality, and then she kind of got the diarrhea.
And then she started eating sugars food. Who is my
big dog And it's just dry dog food. It's adult
dog food, but it's just dry dog food, and she
just like eats it and she's not having diarrhea. And
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she probably eats it like twice a day, like a
little mini handful. And I don't know if that's enough food,
but I'm like, she eats it, it's not getting her diarrhea.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
She seems fine. So I will say, my.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Doodle, and you got a doodle, not my doodle, my
doodle owners Okay, okay, like poodle owners, clients, anything with
a poo in it. They are just the pickiest of eaters.
They're just I live a very special, beautiful life.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yes, I told her to be that on the way
over here, I said, listen, if all goes according to plan,
you're gonna have a great ride. Correct, It's gonna be
a you started off like at the top, you got
into a great smooth sale and family. Like.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
If it goes.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Well for you, if there's not like a you know,
an unforeseen event, you got it made.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Girl. This is a constant state of peaking. She's just
dude's peak. She just cannot not peak. It's just like
she was born at a peak.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
She just gonna stay there. It's good to be a duke.
He's on the top of every it's going to be
a doodle.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
So there are little like picky eaters and that is
very normal. I hear this all the time. So for
all you doodles owners out there, if they miss a
meal here and there, if they don't want to scarf
their food down like it is, it is par for
the course. Now with her being a puppy, we really
want her to get two meals a day too.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, so that's like how much do they need to eat? Exercise?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So I recommend for a puppy follow the back of
the bag. I do not recommend that when they're adult
because you will overfeed them and they will get fat.
But when they are puppies, follow the back of the
bag so you'll see you can figure out how much
she weighs. Just feeling her right now, she's probably like,
I don't know, twelve pounds.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You think so she was like six when we better? Yeah,
she's yeah, ten to twelve for sure. You think she
wasn't weight on? Yeah, go girl, usually.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like double in size, like every you know, three weeks
or so. Ruby, Yeah, sister, she's a heavyweight champ. So
follow follow the back of the bag based on how
old she is and how much she weighs. Okay, and
I'm all about the dry kibble you are, I am.
Do you have a brand that I have three? There's
three brands that really any veterinarian will recommend Puriana, pro
(21:38):
Plan Royal, Canaan and Hill's Science Diet. And the reason
we recommend them is they have a veterinarian on staff,
they do a lot of testing. There's a lot of
science behind them. They're well balanced diets. And it's what
I feed my dogs.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You don't feed them wet food. I do not feed
them wet food. What kind of dogs you. I have three.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I have a they're all from the streets. One's a
German shepherd, he was left at a shelter. I have
a little Pomeranian Chihuahua named Biggie. And then I have Sayah,
who followed us on vacation in Mexico and we brought
her home.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
She's really from the streets.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
She just like latched on. Yeah, she never misses a meal,
that's for sure. So yeah, wet food is not necessary
unless you recommends it for a certain reason, like sometimes
if they have kidney disease or other intestinal issues, we
might recommend wet food. But puppies and otherwise healthy dogs,
dry food's great and in fact it help us break
down like black and tartar as they get a little
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bit older. So it's good for dental health too. Okay,
so I'm gonna quickly recap. Great for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
When you're not with her, even if I'm like in
the house doing something, yes, put it in the crate.
If you're with a cower, if you're on a phone call,
if you are not directly eyes on her, in the
crate with a kong yep and a blanket.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, get her out of the bed.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I know's go see, I know I am the bad
guy every day. See what happens if she stays in
the bed.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I would say, just create for now.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So you've got potty training down, okay, then you can
slowly this is you can slowly transition her to the bed.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to
because it's all about, like you know, perception is reality.
I'm gonna let her get in the bed with Sonny
when she goes to sleep, Okay, and let Sonny go
to sleep. There you go, and then I'm gonna come
in there and I'm gonna get the dog. Yeah, I'm
gonna take her pee one more time, and then I'm
gonna put her in the crate.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I think that's perfect. That is my strategy. Perfect. And
then Sonny will never know the difference.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And then I can bring her in the morning and
just wake her up with the dog exactly. Yeah, Sonny
is Caroline's daughter, just everyone else. Yeah, Sonny's my daughter,
and this is Sonny's dog. Yes, like it's perfect. They
love each other, thank god. This designer dog, this kabapoo
can wrestle though, because Sonny and her will get on
the couch and they'll like, they'll like get after it,
and I'm like, Sonny, you've got to be gentle with
this dog.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
But I mean they have so much fun. She's a
little tough, so sleepy today. Yeah, they play hard. He's longed.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So yeah, get her ninety five percent potty trained, give
it like a solid quarter. Let's do three months and
then when you and I know it's going to be hard.
But then once you feel like you've got it down
ninety five percent, you can at night start to let
her into the bed and see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It'll be okay.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's gonna set you because you know, I don't for
success and I can't. I can't do Ruby one again,
although I love her so much, But peeing in the
house for fifteen years, that's too long.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I can't do that. That's a lot of carpet cleaning.
It's a lot of pea smell too. You can never
quite get it out. You can never goes away.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You cannot. I yes, So it will be worth it.
The next three months are going to shape the next
fifteen years for her.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
So this is like my life.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Just buckle down and do the hard work in the
beginning and at build build it strong exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Then you're set up for success.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Sometimes the hardest thing is the right thing always you
always always got to do it.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Okay, So did we already talk about the hernia? We
have talked about it prior to this. Oh yeah, so
she her vagina has not popped.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Okay, love that for us whatever. They're like, Okay, she's
got two problems. It's her vagina needs to pop. And
I'm like okay, and she's got a hernia and I'm
like okay, So they knocked like a thousand dollars off
the price.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I'm like, if people really care about this, yeah, that
is crazy town usually. Let me just I'm gonna look
check her hernia and age.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I've checked the hernia. Okay, what does that even mean?
It hasn't popped. Okay, I see what we're working with here.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So okay, well, I guess in medical terms we call
it a volva sorry JJ for fun for vulva kiss
her hers she kiss is a little bit recessed. What
that means is they have a volva and there's an
extra like little flap of skin and it's just like
kind of sitting a little bit more recessed than other dogs.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
The recess means like in it's just like sucked back
a little bit, and they're like, but they want to
The breeder said, wait till her first period, But I
don't even know if I want to wait for a period.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Her recess vulva is relatively mild. We can see how
she progresses. I think you're going to start bringing her
to the clinic, so we'll keep a close eye on
her for JJ. So what the breeder is saying is
that with time and with estrogen and with each heat cycle,
that the JJ will get engorged and it will kind
of come out of that little like sheath of skin.
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So you also think we should wait for a cycle.
I don't know that I would make that decision just yet.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
She's really young. It's not super recessed.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
To me.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I would say, let's give it a little bit of
time and see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
What could happen with recessed It can predispose them to
getting UTIs. When they have that little extra skin flap
right there, it can get kind of dirty and urine
can get stuck in there, and then they can get UTI's.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So I'd be like wiping it.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yes, I wouldn't start doing it now, like she's just
a baby and it's nice and clean, But if it
stays recessed through her life, then.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I will recommend wiping it. Okay, if she didn't have.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
A recessed but JJ, I would definitely say let's spay
her before her first her first heat cycle.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Does that happen when it's a heat cycle and a
small dog.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I like to savee them around six to seven months
of age, so the first heat cycle can happen really
anytime as early as six months, as late as like eight, nine, ten.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Months, So we just got to wait for it. Well,
we're gonna wait and see.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
But my inclination is we should probably still go ahead
and spay her before her first heat cycle. Yeah, I
think her a JJ is going to be fine.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I'm like they came in and it was like so serious.
You're like, okay, so you might not want this dog
because she's got hernia and a resessed olva.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Uh huh. I'm like you're like, I don't know what
that means.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I've really only got pound puppies my whole life, so
like I'm totally fine with not a perfect dog, right,
but is it like an.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Issue or we need to be worried about this?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And I think such a big takeaway for me with
this is when owners get a new puppy, whether it's
from a shelter or from a breeder, take it to
your vet, like typically within the first week or two
of having it. Thank God that I'm doing this podcast.
I tell you you knew this was going to happen,
So you're off the hook.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Okay, I did not because I need to go to that.
I think she needs shots too. Actually, yeah, she need
to bok an appointment with you next week.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, come on in. Okay, but it's so important for us.
The biggest goal of the first visit is to do
a really good physical exam. Do they have hernia? Do
they have a heart murmur? How is there of a
JJ looking like? What kind of decisions do we need
to be making to set them up for success the
rest of their life. So a lot of people will
wait like a month, two months, and I the longest
I would wait would be two weeks.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Ooh gosh, thank goodness I'm doing this podcast. I would
not have known that it worked out great. What would
you say is the most rewarding part about being a
vet and is the most challenging part.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I think the most rewarding part is watching the human
animal bond. So it's so special, I think. I mean,
animals are to me the most special things in the world.
They give us unconditional love and they can just melt
even the hardest heart. So I really love to see
how bonded people are with their animals and to be
able to like strengthen that. And then I would say
(28:47):
the hardest part is it can be draining. I mean
it's sometimes I'm part time therapist. Sometimes I am you know,
part time doctor. So being on every twenty month and
meeting new people and people are you know, usually very stressed,
springing in their pets. It can be taxing in that sense.
So it's interesting, like what my favorite thing and what
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the most challenging thing are very they go hand in hand,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Interesting because it's all about the heart connection.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It's all about the heart. It is a heart filled
career for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
It's almost like calling, isn't it it is? Did you
call to be a vet?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I absolutely, I've always loved animals. You'll hear any vet
tell you that. But I have never worked in any
other field. When I was fifteen, I started working in
a vet clinic and I wasn't doing it for eighteen years.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So I was dacked. You just it never crossed your
mind that you wanted to do one other thing.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Never for one minute. I was like, maybe I should
be a human doctor, and then I was like, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I feel like the vet is actually harder though, because
like you have to know how to operate on all
different bodies, Like you have to know a cat, and
I know you can like specialize, but like cat, a dog,
what if someone brings a freaking burden, you know, or
a turtle like I all of a sudden, you got
to cut into a random body.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, there's so many types.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
The other thing too, it people don't realize is when
you go to your doctor, if you have a problem,
they're going to refer you to an internist or a
cardiologist or an ophthalmologist. And we do it all like
I'll do eye surgery, I'll do oral surgery. Ill I
amputated a toe yesterday. Like it's just you have to
know so many things.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It is the great challenge. We call it the wild
West of medicine. But it's so rewarding in that sense.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
But that's different than a doctor because you're right, like
a doctor goes and learns about one specific part of
the body, or I guess a general practitioner might know right,
kind of more of the body. But it's like it's
kind of like more in narratory siloed. Yes, but you
have to just know everything.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
We do it all. You're smart. You are brilliant.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
You're a very smart person to be able to know
all that and retain all that and be able to
operate and teach people things and tell them things and
take care of living creatures.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
All.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, thanks, it's a rewarding job. We're very lucky. Vets
are amazing. Yeah, if you're out there, tell your vet
thank you. It's a really challenging job. So and it's rewarding,
but we we don't get thank you enough. So next
time you're at your vet to tell them thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Well, I want to say thank you to you and
all the vets because I like even what we talked
about today, I had no idea all this stuff. I
guess the last one of the last questions I have
is how do you teach her her name because we haven't.
Another thing I haven't been doing right is putting her
on the leash to take her out. I just let
her go out and then I try to call her name.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
That's okay, I mean, she's so young, they honestly are
confused as to what a leash is usually at this point.
So taking her out setting her down in the grass
is fine. I probably would say in the next few weeks,
start introducing the leash. If you're planning on taking her
for a walk.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I put her on the leash and we've done some walk,
she's fine with it. Okay, great then, but you're fine though.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
If you're just taking her out in the backyard and
setting her down to go potty, that's no big deal.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
But the problem is then she'll take off. Oh well,
then she'll start running like crazy puppy zoomies all over
the yard and she won't.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Come isn't that the best? I love Zoomie.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's adorable until she won't come back right, And then
I literally have to like try to dive and intercept her,
like try to get her with a treat or a
stick or a leaf and our get sugar other dog
to try to lead her back into the house and
I'm like, oh my gosh, I've lost control.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You're like, I'm just completely out of control.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah. It is the dog's world and I'm just living
in it basically. So again, we're gonna go back to
really high reward treats for training right now. She's fourteen weeks, Like,
I don't expect too much from them, but repetition, high
reward treats. You probably teach her to sit at this point.
Come and getting her to know her name takes a
little bit longer, but I would just be super consistent
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with it. So Ruby, come and if she starts walking
towards you, lots of praise and a treat right away, okay,
and she'll start to associate and know if I do this,
then I'm gonna get a treat and that's it'll click. Okay,
I'm gonna have to listen back to this podcast. Just
remember all these things, but I got it. Okay, So great,
when you're gone and at night with a caong lots
(32:51):
of praise, yep, hard kibble's fine hard kibbles, fine puppy food.
You want to make sure it's puppy food. That's super important.
So not the dog food that she knows she's eating
sugar's food. But I really would do puppy I need
to take a trip to pet Smart. Yeah, get a call,
a crate and puppy food exactly. Yes, puppy food has
higher protein and fat, all the things that they need
when they're growing, and adult food tends.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
To have less of that.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So puppy food for sure, out the bed, out the
bed and the crate, lots of higher word treats.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
When she's doing what you want her.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
To do, come visit you get her fully checked out. Yes,
come visit me, get her checked out. We'll go through
all of the vaccines that she needs. The other big
thing is year round flee, tick and heartworm prevention. You'll
hear people say like, well, we don't have you know,
fleas or ticks, or people don't even know what heartworms are,
which is fair, they just don't know about it. But
it is so important, especially here in Tennessee. Heartworms are
(33:42):
transmitted through mosquito bites and I probably diagnose I don't know,
five to ten a month and it is life threatening,
really expensive to treat. So year round prevention is super important,
which we'll talk about our visit.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Okay, so on my report card, I think I'm failing. Right,
you are not failing. No love is there? That's good.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
That is the most important. The TLC is most important.
All the else falls into place. So and this is
you know, when you go to your first VET visit,
you should get all this information. And then she'll need
to go to the VET two or three times after
her first visit. And that's always like a really nice
touch base for us, like how are things going with
the create?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
How is she enjoying the kong? Like how is the
body training?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And then at her last visit, I really try and
touch on Okay, when are we gonna spay?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
How's her for JJ?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Look now, how's her hernia feel now? Which, by the way,
we'll fix her hernia at the time of her spe Okay,
hernias are fairly common, So what is a hernia? Hernia
is well, umbilical hernia is what she has. And so
our umbilicus, our belly button is where our body wall
comes together as we're all developing humans and dogs, and
in her case, her body wall didn't come all the
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way together, so there's just like a little hole there
where intestinal like fat from inside her intestines and bellies
can kind of like poke through and it's just not safe.
It's not safe sometimes in sins can get like trapped
in there. Oh okay, and then we have a big problem.
So we're gonna go make an incision there anyways for
her space, so it's super easy to fix. At the
(35:09):
same time, Okay, Yeah, a lot of puppies come to
me with hernias. It is not not something to be
and we want to address it for sure, But it's
not into.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
The world by any means.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
So I don't feel like I have any buyer's remorse.
Like normally when I like buy something big, like a
animal or a house, you do something crazy, it's like,
oh my god, what did I do? Right? I don't
feel that way with her, which is great, great, but
I do feel like I got a lot of things
to change.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
One of the first things I ask clients when they
come in is, especially with a new puppy, how are
you how you feeling?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Are you better? Any regrets?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I think people just they don't realize, like they're like,
I'm gonna get a cute, fluffy puppy, and then it's
like it's a lot of work, and it's a huge commitment,
and so you need to be prepared. But most people,
I would say ninety nine percent of them don't feel
any regret and the joy that comes from it greatly
outweighs the The night she had diarrhea challenge and she
had to go to the bathroom every two hours, I
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was like, literally, because you know, like when you're in
the middle of something, you're like, this is my life
forever now, yeah, like it's never going to change.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
What have I done?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
She's gonna have to go out every two hours for
the rest of my life, right, and you I mean,
obviously it's never like that, But in the moment, I'm like, Okay,
this is it, Like this is this is how we
live now totally, and there was a moment where I
was like, wow, okay, did it, we did it?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
But all my puppy owners go through that at some point,
especially when they come in for like their sixteen week visit.
Owners hands are like covered in teethmarks and they're like tired.
The owners have like bags under their eyes. I'm like,
it's okay, you're in the thick of it. It's going
to get better. But yeah, everyone, everyone with a puppy
has been there for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
But then I have the fear looming in the back
of my head. What if Ruby two is like Ruby
one and I don't do the things I'm supposed to do.
So I need to follow the checklist because I know
what it's like to not get it worked out in
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yes, it's worth it. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
You feel like you're a mean dog owner, but laying
down the groundwork is just going to set you up
for success. So it is one hundred percent, million percent
worth it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Okay, I'm ready, doctor Darcy. You can do this. We
can do this.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
We can do this, we can do this. You hear that, Ruby, Ruby,
we got this. It's happening. She's out like a light.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I know. She's so chill.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
She's amazing. She's a great dog. She's a good girl,
she really is. I don't know if she's been like
her coring all morning and now she's just exhausted, or.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
She goes hard and then but she will chill like
if you are like, okay, let's get in the car,
let's go somewhere. Even if she was like going nuts
the second floor running around with the zoomies. She will
immediately calm down. I love that that's the cavalier in them.
It is Cavaliers are so special. Yeah, they're very sweet.
They are bred to like sit on the queen's lap,
so total lap dog. Yes, yeah, she just wants to chill,
(37:45):
like if you hold her like this, she will just stay.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I've never ever experienced anything like this in the dog.
And I've had some great, special like magical dogs, but
I have never She's a love had a dog that
just will hang out.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I know, she's like melted like butter. She's like melted
this whole time. She's just been sitting with you. Well,
this is so great.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I'm so glad we were able to have you on
and answer you some puppy questions, and we may have
to have you back as puppyhood progresses.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
To follow along.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I think we should, yeah, because the first puppy visit
is not the same as the second and the third,
and we talk about so many different things. So and really,
you're gonna have to do a check it on me,
like are you doing your work?
Speaker 1 (38:19):
That's your n This it's gonna be the Caroline check out,
like we know, Ruby's gonna she's good. Are you doing
what you need to do?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
It really is about the owner, it is it. Ninety
percent of the time is about the owner. We have
to train ourselves and that is the hardest thing.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Isn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
H Yeah, Well, I'm so glad for all this information
and I feel I feel like I have some steps
you can play it that I will that I'm going
to do and.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. I believe
in you. You can do it. It's a great dog.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
So she's gonna do wonderful and you're gonna you're gonna
crush it. You're an amazing dog mom. So you got this.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Thanks, Thanks so welcome, Thanks for coming, Thanks for having me.
This is awesome. I I believe how much I needed
to know this, so I really appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Okay, that was a great interview with Caroline. I felt
like so much of it was me telling her what
not to do as a puppy mom, which leads me
to paw and Order of the week. Here are five
things I would not do as a first time puppy owner,
or really a puppy owner.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
At all.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Number one, I would not feed adult food. It is
really important to feed puppy food. We want to make
sure that they get all that fat and protein that
they need. They're growing so fast and adult food tends
to be less caloric, and so it's really important when
they are puppies, feed them puppy food. Number two, I
would not punish your puppy for pottying in the house.
(39:53):
That is very important. I feel like that's like potty
training a child. I'm like, listening to you guys talking
about it, I'm like, I'm taking notes when I go
back home and teach my son to go potty. Yeah, exactly.
We just it's really on the humans to be on
top of it. They are very young, they are learning.
It's a really formative time, so any kind of like
(40:13):
negative punishment can really stick with them through the rest
of their lifetime. So positive reinforcement only if they go
in the house. It's usually ninety nine point nine to
nine percent of the time our fault as the human.
Number three, I would not forget to play with your puppies.
Ears mouth and pause. It is really important to desensitize
(40:35):
your puppy. They are going to need their nails trimmed.
They're going to need their ears cleaned, We're going to
need to brush their teeth. So when they're young, we
want them to be getting used to having all their
body parts sort of touch and manipulated. And I can
speak firsthand my little chihuahua at home. I go to
trim his toenails and it is like World War three.
Oh really, Oh my god, he screams, he tries to
(40:56):
bite me. I mean, it's just a total nightmare. And
so I adopt him until he was an adult. But okay,
I can guarantee you he was not desensitized as a puppy.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Hey, doctor Josie, you're the one that knows this.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
But yeah, it's hard when you rescues, like it does
take time if they're older. I mean my friend she
when I got her as a puppy, I didn't even
realize I was doing it, but I used to flip
her on her back all the time. Yeah, and just
rubb her belly and like massage your feet and you know,
scratch your ears and everything. And that desensitized her so much,
which was great for my son because when I had him,
he does not know gentle very well. And she was
(41:28):
just so good with him because of that being started
as a puppy.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
She's like I got this. Yeah, she's like, pull on
my ear, grab my feet, It's fine. And she was
an older dog.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
So I can firsthand say that doing that is so important,
especially when you're gonna have kids around and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Absolutely, And if you if they have to go to
the groomer frequently, it will just make everyone's.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Life a lot. Yes, exactly sensitized. Please please, I beg you.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Number four, I would not take it to a dog
park a especially before it's fully vaccinate. The risk of
them contracting something at the dog park is really high,
and then be the dog park can be sort of
a scary place for puppies. A lot of the dogs
there can get together and have gang mentality and I know,
kind of beat up on the little puppies. And again,
(42:16):
this is like such an important period where we want
them to have positive experiences only, so I really recommend
avoiding the dog park.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
That is something I did not think.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I you know, most people would probably think like, oh,
I want to go get the zoomies out, take them.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
To the dog park.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yes, And we want to socialize and yeah, want puppies
to play with other dogs and.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Trolled socialization exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Dog parks are tricky because it's like puppy comes in
and like forty dogs come exactly running at them. Yeah
and the dogs. Yeah, it's just avoid the dog park.
Avoid the dog park with puppies. Okay, good number five.
I would not give bully sticks as a treat people.
For whatever reason, owners love to give bully sticks. And
they are to me so gross. I don't think people
(42:56):
realize they are. I feel like I've said penis so
many times on this podcas. I mean, we're just gonna
stay on the sceme. They are quite literally bowl penises.
They really are bowl pizzles what they call it. Oh,
I did not hear that. Yes, people don't realize it.
It's so gross. They smell so bad. They are caked
in bacteria. I can't tell you how many dogs I
(43:17):
have that eat a bully stick and then come in
with vomiting and diarrhea and they can fracture teeth on them.
They are just I would avoid them at all costs.
I feel like too, if they're bacteria, like, especially for
puppy teeth and stuff like that. That's probably not the
greatest or any dog in general. So just no bully
sticks ever, I say, no boy sticks ever. Okay, good
to know.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I'll have a like a doodle or a dog with
a beard come in and I'll be doing it as
exam and I can smell. I'll be like, this dog
has had a bully stick, like the remnants of the
bully stick are in its beard and it's still like
kind of reeks. So is it bad that I legitimately
thought it was like for bully hype bully breeds, not
a bull's genitalia. Yeah, okay, the naming is very miss misleading. Ye,
(44:00):
So yeah, avoid the bully sticks. Okay, So those my
five don't don't have a puppy, it's very.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Good to know.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
And I love that anybody who has a puppy, I
feel like they can reference back to this podcast if
they have like questions, so they're like, wait, what was
I supposed to do again? And I think it'd be
really fun too. With Caroline, which you guys mentioned in
the interview, is that maybe to do like a follow up,
because now that she's gotten all the great advice from you,
we can kind of go back in, you know, three
(44:27):
four months and be like, how's it going?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, are you following the rules? Caroline listen.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I love that she was like making sure she was,
you know, going over the things again and did she
write them down right?
Speaker 1 (44:39):
I think she was.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
She was riding them in her Bookay, I saw the
wheels turning great. Yeah, I totally agree. I think the
first puppy visit we touch on so many things, and
then three months later there's so many other things going on.
So yeah, we will certainly have to do a follow
up with her and see how it's going. Definitely, well,
that's gonna be fun, and I feel like this episode
will be really great for anybody who is linking about
(45:00):
getting a puppy or has a puppy. Like you guys
were saying, it's not too late. If you have a
puppy and things aren't maybe going right as planned so far,
you now still make a change and have positive, you
know change with potty and no sleeping in the bed
and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, no,
it's not too late. And you know the saying you
can teach an old dog new tricks, you can certainly
teach a new dog new tricks, so it's never too
(45:22):
late to start doing good habits and setting them up
for success.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Awesome. All right, that.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Concludes our final episode of our very first season, but
it will not be our last. Season two is just
around the corner. We will be back very soon. We
have some amazing guests I cannot wait to share with
you guys, even more stories to tell and cases to share.
And while we're taking this very short break, as always,
if you have any questions, feel free to click that
(45:49):
link in my bio on my Instagram at doctor Josie
Vett and record any questions you have to be featured
on the podcast and you can DM me as well.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
And then while.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
We're on the very short little break, feel free to
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leave all the reviews that you have, tell me what
you're thinking, what do you like, what do you not like?
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the Vets office. Can't wait see you guys in season two.
Host
Bobby Bones
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