Happy Birthday Dierks Bentley! + In Case You Missed It: #54 Dierks Bentey's Untold Story

Dierks Bentley turns 48 years old today! We wanted to take a loot back when Bobby sat down with Dierks Bentley in 2017.  He had just come off a weekend of shows. We GET the stories behind some of Dierks’ biggest hits and how he grinding for many years before rising to the top. Bobby and Dierks also share “name dropper stories” and Dierks talks about how he feels not winning the ACM for album of the year.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, guys, Bobby here, Dirk Bentley turns forty eight years
old today. Been a friend for a long time, really
one of the good guys in music in Nashville in
the arts. Like just a solid, solid, solid dude. And
we wanted to look back because it's his birthday to
when he stopped by back in twenty seventeen. Now, man,
that feels like just yesterday, but at the same time,
it was six years ago. He had just come off
of weekend shows. He was a little tired, obviously, but

(00:31):
he was right in that spot that you're very generous
with your stories, you're feeling a little vulnerable, and it
was awesome. And so we talked to Derek's about his
biggest hits and grinding for many years to get to
the top, and also how he felt not winning the
ACM for Album of the Year that year. So we're
talking about hundreds of episodes back, but this is like
the definitive Dirk's Bentley episode. I don't want you to

(00:52):
hear it. Happy Birthday, Dirk's. Here's episode fifty four from
back in the day. In case you missed it on
the Bobby Cast. Here you go, all right, welcome to
episode fIF four The Bobbycast, Derek Spentley, we're having my
theme song y'abby bone from the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
He's got it.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
No, that was where TV show the whole different thing.
We still have that. We're still out there.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's still your podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Was like, where's my But that was Derek's wrote a
song for a TV pilot that we're still in the
middle of. And so I was like, hey, and so
you made a song but it still exists, just nobody's
heard it yet because they're not. We're on lockdown with
that thing until July because he had an it's sun
of contract where nobody can see or hear anything until Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Fun It was me and some of the guys of
the band Dan whole cult for play Real kind of
came up a little theme song for you, but hopefully
I'll hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
One day, I was talking to someone that Sarah at CMA,
and she was talking about how you guys used to
work at Nashville Network together. So this is what we
were just talking before my stand up show on Saturday night.
Congratulations by the way, Yeah yeah yeah, And she was
like hey, she was like, he's Dirk's coming, and I
was like, no, I think Dark's on the road. I

(02:04):
guess everybody assumes if I'm in town, you're gonna come
to the show. She was like, hey's Dirk's coming. I
was like, he is not. I would He's not coming,
He's he's on the road. And she said, you know,
Dirk's used to I knew you were used to work
in Nashville Network. But she was like, you know, he
used to leave CDs on everybody's chairs all the time,
like you would. He would leave and he would just
leave music on everybody's chairs that we would all have
it and hear it. Was that to get people to

(02:27):
actually hear the music or was that because you like
them as friends and he wanted to hear your music.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
No, that was me trying to get it, you know,
just opening every door possible. And I definitely wanted to
hear it, but I was trying to get something going
and not really in a desperate way, just like you know,
I was working on music and the Yeah, Sarah, anyone
I thought could like be of help with like you know,
of hearing that and help me maybe put in someone's
hands or getta get kicked down a door. It was

(02:53):
the point, but I can't believe she remembers that. Yeah,
we worked at TEENA and the building's gone where we
used to work as a cross street from Coppery House,
And it was when Tina and cm T were gonna
all packed together, and I was just doing anything I
could at that point, you know, recording songs. I was
playing downtown on the Ord Broadway. I was writing at
uh you know as Cap and the little writer's room
they have upstairs for they're out anyone to write in.

(03:16):
So it's just kind of a thing and just shotgun
blast of putting much stuff out there and see them
would stick. And I'm sorry but my voice, by the way,
but I just did three shows in a row and
travel back today from South Dakota, and my voice is
a little fried.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Do you when you travel, you always fly back? You
always fall your own plane back.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I was fly the band now I always.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I don't know what you think is are flying. There's
some it's one of two things, because I don't I
don't understand the flying thing with you so much so
and I think you're probably a good pilot. No, I mean,
you have to be right. But they also call them
those little planes like you know, lawyer killers because you
get just you get enough and then you get out there.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, it's man.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
The flying thing is so.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's you know, it's a whole other show, but it is.
You know, it's a manifestation. That's something that I put
out there a long time ago, and I think that's
one of the United sharing common It is manifesting our realities.
And it starts with small things. Start off me just
when I was nineteen one to get my pilot's license,
and it took me three years to get it. Why
do you want to get a pilot line? I just
wanted to fly. I just had that when when I
was a kid, I made model their plans. I just
wanted and I just wanted to fly. And it took

(04:23):
me three years just because it took time and money
to do it. I got my pilots license and then
I just stopped flying because I didn't really have a mission.
And then I flew with Kenny Chesney one time coming
back from a show in a private jet. My first
time ever at a jet. I was like, this is unbelievable.
It was back in two thousand and three. It was me,
Keith and Kenney in a plane. It was awesome. I
was like, whoa, this is what I want, you know,
And so I've done this with a couple of things.

(04:45):
I made my password on my computer. When we landed,
we went to a different terminal right where jets go,
and it was a place called Signature. It was like,
a that's what it's like, the little General Aviation plane
for a place for jets. And I wrote made signature
on my password in my computer. And so every time
I had to get on my computer, out of type
words signature. And I was like, I'm gonna get I wanna.

(05:07):
I want to own a jet. And uh, you know,
my career kind of stalled out around two thousand and
eight and that dream I was looking, that's never gonna happen.
I'm never going to own a jet school. But uh,
you know, that dream kind of went away. And I
was playing a gig somewhere with halfway the Hazard of
all people, and a little plane flew overhead and these guys.
I was like, I always look up the planes, and
these guys, that's Tim McGraw's. He's Tim's up there flying

(05:28):
that plane to the gig today. It was a charity
gig we were doing. I was like Tim McGraw has
his own colonne. He's not flying around a little six
cylinder prop plane buying, you know. And sure enough was
Tim McGraw, and he's like, yeah, I'm geting my pots license.
And he was flying the school.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Plane and getting my pilot's license, and he was flying
the plane.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh, he was an instructor flying to a gig, multitasking.
And so I went out the next day and started
flying with that instructor, and I just fell back in
love with flying again. And I had had a kid
at this point, too heavy was born. So I was
looking for ways to kind of cut the corners off
some of my travel at this point as flying south
west all the time, and so I started finding that
small plane NonStop because of a of a mcgarraw. And
I put about five six seven or hours in that plane.

(06:05):
Fine everywhere, and long story short, how things you put
them out in the universe, they come back to you.
I was flying out of O'Hair. I flew a commercial
plane into o hair, went around to the other side
of the airport and jumped in my plane, a little
prop plane that someone had met me with to fly
to a gig in a small town and I was
using the bathroom at the Jurnal and I looked up
and the word signature was above the urinal and I

(06:26):
was like, oh my god, Like it totally worked out
in the way I wasn't expecting. I thought I was
gonna be in the back of a jet, you know,
that was my my But I was manifesting and hoping
to manifest. Ended up being in the front left seat
of a prop plane, which is way cool. Irought' to
be the pilot in a passenger and uh, it's just
it's crazy put things out there like that and they
come around and now and to continue to evolve. I've met,
you know, I've met the guys that cessa them, became

(06:46):
friends with the guy that runs the company, and finding
a little different plane now that it can actually hold
all the guys in my band. They're they're all brave
enough to fly with me. And I have another pilot
that flies with us too, so there's two of us
up front.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
It's the plane is just because we were together in
Vague and hey, we're leaving at four pm tomorrow if
you want to. I was like, dude, I appreciate the offer.
I don't want to get in a small plane like that,
Like I don't feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, if you flew you know. For me and the
guys of the band, it's you know, it's we have kids,
and it's just like I remember the first time I
took a guitar player with me, our old guitar player,
Brian Lace, and he's like, i'll go up with you
one time when it's perfectly clear and we don't go
a mile from the airport.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I was like, all right, we'll see about that.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
I flew him home one night from a gig, so
you got to be home at you know, midnight instead
of getting home the next day on the bus at
like ten am. I called him Velcrow because I could
not get him out of the seat. He was stuck
to that seat. Every time I was flying an ice
rain snow he was always like first one wanted to go,
because it's a time machine. If you got kids in
this business, you have to be two places at once.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's definitely just and maybe not that plane, but you know,
sometimes work, if they're somewhere I have to get quick,
they'll send a plane. Yeah, and they'll go, hey, we
need you New York to Los Angeles, and then we
need you back in New York, so they'll send their
plane and I'll just get shipped around.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, it's a game. It's like it is, and it's
a total luxury. It's crazy even talking about it, but
it is for me. I want to be as successful
as a dad as I am, as I feel like
as I've been as a as a singer entertainer. And
to do that, you have to be present. You have
to be there. You can't talk about it. You have
to be there for the you know, make the breakfast.
You gotta be there to go to the games.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
You gotta be there.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
To do all the little things, the tiny things, the
dumb things, and a lot.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Of math though, right, are you doing math all the
time up there or not? Really? I'm just proud I
seeing up on a calculator the whole time.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I'm going to my buddy Austin. You know, I fly
with This is such a help. I mean, it's when
you got a two man crew, it really helps out
a lot. But I've got a great product and find
Sessna plane and it's really reliable, great people and the
great service, and it is just it makes it And
I fly the whole band with me too. This guy's
go with me everywhere, and so when we walk on stage,

(08:46):
they're in a great mood because their families are happy.
Their wives are in good spirits, been with their kids
that morning we hit the stage. It makes for a
better show. I mean it makes it's a win win
for us, for our fans and obviously for our kids.
So it's it's kind of at this point of my career,
one has to you know that they go hand it down.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
How do you do your band? Because so I have
our little stupid band. Yeah, and I have a couple
people that I keep on all the time, my drummer,
my bassist. They're just my drummer, my basis. Yeah cool,
but do you but everybody else kind of trickles in
and out, and I pay them, you know, they have
to get paid differently because them do some shows. Is
your whole band like on a retainer? Like do you
pay them a salary? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, so they're like

(09:23):
your people.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah that's I mean. I've always been a band guy.
When I was playing down the Lower Broadway, I just
liked being in the band, you know, I love I
had a list of like, you know, one hundred guys
I've met over the year the years of being down there.
If I needed to steel player, I'd call Rusty dan Mayer.
If I needed a up right bass player, I'd call
this guy. And so I just I've always loved musicians.
They're my favorite people. They're just to be a great musician,
you have to learn from all the people before you,

(09:46):
so it really humbles you to a degree. You know,
you don't think you're the greatest guy ever because you
have to study all the people that came before you
to get good. So they're just great people. They're fun
to be around. They don't know who he goes.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
But you pay them, they get the guys like your company. Yes,
I wasn't the greatest thing when you got should get
a band. You go from paying them day rates when
you actually put them on salary. It's like the best feelings.
It's a big deal for them to beyond salary. And
so yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Get if you're gonna pay the salaries out the whole year,
whether we're touring or not, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
If they come to you it said, hey, dereks, listen,
I'm want to leave them. Then go over to Urban.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
No one's leaving my band because They just enjoy them
because they love We have a great vibe together. We're
super close. We're as close as probably your morning shows.
And they get paid really well, and they fly everywhere
with me, to every gate when I fly a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
So there they their lifestyle. You give them the lifestyle
that makes them want to stay.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
There's no gig out there that anyone in my band
would ever take. You could toss the greatest rock band
out there, they would never take that gig. I treat
them like those guys are my That isn't all my
dude time. It's all my bro times with the guys
in the band are who I do all my stuff with.
That's when I come home, I'm like, I don't need
to see any ever, males. I'm good. I've been with
my guys all weekend. We had a great time. We

(10:58):
went and saw them out Rushmore, we went hiking, we
play video games, and we were going through this shared
experience together. When I walk on stage, it's like a
you know, I have a lot of other friends with
these guys. We have a shared experience of going out
there every day and how to you know, run this
marathon and crack this rock and break it up into
little pieces over and over again, and find ways to
do it where it makes it fun for us continually.

(11:19):
It's kind of like a therapy session in a way,
if you really are trying to do it in an
honest and sincere way, the live show that is, and
not just put on a show, but go through an
experience with your fans and with your fellow bandmates. It's
I really approach it that way. Obviously it's my deal,
but I approach it as a band, from the way
we interact on stage to even where their MIC's replaced
on stage, you know, up near mind, not way in

(11:41):
the back. You know, it's more like a level, you know,
I think of Pearl Jam. I try to keep it
up tight and close like that.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
So, if you're a way of doing dude stuff, is
there any resentment from your wife, Like if she's at
home with the kids and she's like, you get to
go and do dudes day. I know you're working, but
still you're doing dude fun stuff and then you come
home and she's been with kids totally.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, I mean I want to say resentment, but there's
there's I mean there I have to be honest about
it and transparent about it, because I am I. I
am doing my job.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
This is what I do.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
But I love what I do. I mean, I love.
There's nothing like be on stage with your guys and
your fans, and and I get to do stuff. You know,
there's there's work. But yeah, I went hiking yesterday and
the Black Hills in the mountains upside of rapid Cities
South Dakota. And I was in Billings, Montana two days ago,
hiking through just beautiful mountains around there, the hills around there,

(12:32):
and just and I just tell her this stuff. I'm
not trying to hide it from them, like I not.
It's raunting all week in Nashville, and here I am
like in like seventy five of your weather and like
Montana probably one of my favorite states in the whole country.
And so when I come home, I just I'm ready
to for battle, man. I'm ready to like help out
any way I possibly can. I wake up every morning
at four forty four so I can go get my
workout in, be done by six, and be home like

(12:52):
ready to be fully engaged and like the drama of
having three kids and three dogs and all the work
that goes into trying to make that house, you know,
run great and everyone have great days.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
So I owever a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
But she it's if I ever were to win award,
the only reason I loved.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
One I ever Keith Urban, I ever do win an award,
I'd want to go up there just to thank her
because it's incredible. Man.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
She it's it's it's hard, man, Any all moms out there,
any any parent, that's the hardest gig man. You know you,
I know how hard you work, it's insane, your your
work ethic, and I you know, I work really hard too.
But I think that when you have kids, like it's
a whole other level because there's such a responsibility there.
I mean, you're basically growing this creature and your input

(13:36):
is so important, and you don't ever get a break.
I mean, you're you're it's twenty four seven. You don't
even sleep because someone's having a nightmare. Some might feed
the bed, you know, you hear a sound, dog's barking.
It's just it's so it's twenty four seven.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's so hard. So unless you're gone for three days
and it's like a vacation.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
So for me, I'm not saying for me, I'm saying
for her, no, for me. Yeah, it's like I got
a you know, it's kind of pulling the cord and
you get to go on the road. It's you're out
there and you can get stuff done and you can
choose to either you know, party or work out or
you know, there's a lot of freedoms with that. So yeah,
I just try to be really transparent with her and
honest about what I'm doing, and she's super supportive at

(14:15):
the same time. Yeah, it's it's it's stuff I can
get that break.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
You mentioned a minute ago in two thousand and eight
when you say your career is stalled.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Nine, yeah, eight or nine, because right now we see
you as the guy who has You're now in the A.
It's hard to in the A group. You're in the
A group. You're now in the A group. I think
you're a recent addition. Yeah, just speaking frankly to your
region edition to the A group. Yeah, B plus me,
you're you're really are in the I would tell you
if you want plus plus you're in You're in the

(14:45):
You're in the like you're in that mix of is
he going to be in the entertaindent of Year category.
Now it's not he's for sure going to be nominated,
Like you know Luke is going to be nominated, yeah,
and probably gonna win. Yeah, and he didn't win the
a CM al Dean did, but like you know, Luke's
gonna be but you're in is he going to be?
And it's happened in the last couple of years, But
it's but you're like the constant grinder.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I've used that word a lot. It's like the
hockey player that goes down there and not the slapshot
guy from out top, not the fancy forward that's getting
the sweet goals with the guy that goes down in
the corner and digs the pucks out. You know. It's
probably that's when I play hockey here in town, in
my little league at the Beer League. That's kind of
my role in real life on that hockey team. And
I think in my career, Yeah, it's all about it's
about grinding. My favorite quote was written on a It's

(15:30):
a Calvin Coolest quote. It's about you know, persistence and determinations.
You know, education and talent and genius can't take the
place of persistence and determination. That is the key to
my success for sure, and I know probably for yours
as well.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I mean, there's no reason.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Why I should be a country singer or a pilot.
But you know, those are just things that I wanted
to do. And if you work harder than anyone else,
you got a better chance of making that happen.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
What what happened in two thousand and eight, thousand and
nine and your mind? Do you take a step back?

Speaker 2 (15:58):
You know, I went out on the road with I
play a thousand dates on my own. I went out
the road with Kenny, and then I went out the
road towards straight and I went back on the road
with Kenny. And that's usually that's usually the platform to
jump off of. You know, that's where urban flats everyone
went through Kenny back when those when we were starting off.
If you got the Kenny gig bo, you were a
couple of years now you be headlining on your own,

(16:18):
and you know, we were really looking like a two
thousand and eight would be bringing out some video and
it's maybe this kind of groundswell, and really, uh it's
for you know, it's just the songs weren't there. That's
what it comes down to. I was writing pretty much
all my own songs, working love with some some friends
mind here in town. And and it's not their fault either,
it's it's it's nobody's fault. I'm so happy that things

(16:39):
are where they are. But I think I discovered you
can't tour. I think I was in my mind, I
was trying to make albums that would be jet fuel
for the for touring, like how can this album, how
can this song lead to headlining? And that's and you know,
I need, I need a song help me get there.
And that's just a terrible way to make records. And
nothing against those records. Those records still sound like and

(17:00):
my are so some of my favorite signing records, but
as far as singles go, and songs are going to
move the needle, and really, you know, and I feel
like I just needed to reset. I don't know, I
just I was you can only work so hard, man.
I was working so hard on the road, touring NonStop,
you know, jumping off stage, I'm stage diving, I'm pulling

(17:21):
fans up. I'm just you know, known as the hard
working men in country music. We did like forty one
shows in forty five days one time. I mean, I'm
out there all the time, and I'm trying to rush
back here and make records and go back out there again.
It just it just doesn't It just doesn't work that way.
So I was on the road in two thousand and
eight or nine with Paisley, and so I tried my
headlining thing.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
It just wasn't working.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
So it was like, okay, retreat Brad was I had
a chance to go with Brad and it was on
that tour and I was opening for him, and there's
a lot going on that tour. Weren't really getting a
chance to sound check, and there's just the vibe of
my band just crashed. It was kind of the tour
that just everyone just like, you know, we're just only
playing for forty five minutes, and it's just the songs

(18:04):
weren't really there. And I just was like in the
back of my bus one day and I remember thinking,
I'm gonna make a bluegrass record. I'm wanna make a
bluegrass record and a country record, and just I need
to get creative. That's what I kept thinking, is I
need to get creative, because when you're in that opening slot,
especially after you've headlined for a little while, it's technic
go back and just do forty five minutes of the
same show every night. You know, you're trying to make
the most of that forty five minutes, so you kind

(18:24):
of get locked into doing the same show and just
killed all of us. So I left and mid ended
up making just just a bluegrass record, and uh it
really and I went back in the process of making that,
being off the grid and not worrying about singles or
touring or anything, just trying to make a great record
that's stood alone by itself and existed just for itself

(18:47):
totally rechanged my thinking. And you know, I started looking
around people like Miranda Lambert and you know, she only
writes half an album, if even that, you know, and
Lady A and these people at the time were like,
you know, they're collecting great songs. You know, they came
to realize that after your second album, you can't write
an entire album. Just there's no time. You're touring all

(19:07):
the time, you see so many of the responsibilities. I
was married at this point, with the kids too, So
the Blue Guys record, you know, I was working with
the guy of John Randall, one of my best friends,
and he was bringing me great songs from Christopherson and
Buddy Miller and just we started making a collection of
an album that had my input but also had songs
that kind of rounded out what I was trying to
say or the feel of the album. And I carry

(19:29):
that on with working with Ross Kauferman into the next
couple of albums and uh, really trying to make albums
that don't worry about touring, do worry about anything. Who cares?
Just make a great record and one of the great things.
Now I don't know an a lister, but where in
my career is there's the better off you are doing
touring and more of you you have those fans, more

(19:50):
freedom you have to say, who cares, Let's make the
record you really want to make. I feel like that's
why Keith is making like his best records, Keith Thurman's
records me just get better and better each time because
I feel like he's even more like I don't care.
I'm gonna make great music that makes me happy that
I like and hopefully you like it too. But there's
no there's no math behind it. You know, it's just
totally it's pure arts and you didn't have to worry

(20:11):
about where He's gonna get his next meal. You know,
he's just making great records. And I feel like there's
on both ends of the spectrum. When you're first starting
off and you're so hungry, and then when you get
to place you have a little bit of success and
you have that freedom that it brings to you, you can
really make your best records.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
And I feel like that's what's happening now. I'm not
sure to answer your question, but yeah, you and Keith
getting long pretty well.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I love him, man, It's hard for me to be
friends with them because I just have so much respect
for him. It's like we're good friends, but at the
same time, like you're Keith Urban.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
It's almost it's almost like why do you This is
the feeling I have with him because him and I
are closer than him than me and other arts. Yeah,
and he's one of the guys I like, and we'll
talk to off the show. But it's like I was like,
why do you want to be friends with me? Like
you're so smart? Yeah, and you're so talented and you're
so rich, Like everything about you is way better than

(20:59):
why would you want to be friends with me? That's
how I feel with him.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
He is for me. He's like a he's like a beacon.
He's something I look up to for advice on just
for for lifestyle and management and how you approach things.
And he's just he's so present, which is something I
always you know, that's my main thing with anything I do,
is trying to be as present as possible in the

(21:22):
moment that I'm in. And he really is a true
reflection of that. I mean when you speak to him,
when you talk to him, he's so focused on what
you have to say. He's listening, and it's very uncommon
in this business full you know, singers and people are
trying to look at me, and you know, are have
like five seconds looking into your eyes and they're kind
of thinking about the next thing. He's just really focused

(21:42):
and present and has great advice and he's been through
a lot, so he can offer a good good gems.
But whenever I see him, it choosing on a Sunday, uh,
and we're doing some with our kids or something, and
I'm like coming off the road and just beat up
my brain. His brain's already functioning faster than mind. Anyway,
I'm coming off like no sleep, I'm tired, I'm trying
to make conversation with him, like hopefully I see you

(22:04):
one day and I'm not like just so exhausted because
it'd be fun to talk like I have an actual conversation.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Hank Tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
So speakin of key. Did you watch Big Little Liars?
Big Little Liars?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
I need to. I know Ross loves it and he's
freaking out about every time you write. He's like talks
about it and everyone's talking about us. That's that show.
I've only seen like half the first episode and it
just so it hasn't hooked, you know, I need to
get into it. Took me two episodes. Yeah, I've seen
it all now.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
I know I don't tell many to see it.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I want to tell you I'm not a you know what,
I'm just my watching. I'm just not watching Front of Lights,
which is like ten years old.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I've never been.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Life's so good, but I'm so it takes them all
to get into things like That's that's a ten year
old show. I'm just not getting into.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
It, but I not think I would love it.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, but if like there are so many new there's
so much hor Now, I know, it's unbelievable. We're good
friends of Connie. She's like a good friend of ours,
and my wife and Connie are great friends, and she's
just one of my favorite people. And always feel so
bad that I hadn't really seen that show because it's
so good and she's her acting that is just unbelievable. Yeah,
I need to check out Big Little Lives. It's it's incredible, right.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
So it's it's really good, but it's weird because again,
I've gotten to know Nicole a bit, but it's weird
to see your neck on TV, and so I gotta
feel weird. I feel like I should turn my head
when because I'm like.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
She's she's an actress. Bro, that's what they do. Man,
They're able to somehow, They're just that's then they're their
body is just a tool to use to project their art. Man.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
They don't look at it like we do, but again
I do. I'm like, I feel that way, and it's
it's the whole.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Thing's weird for me.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, well that's weird for her. So what about Like, Okay,
so let's say music video. You got another girl in
the video that's not your wife.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
It's weird for me.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Okay, I'm not an actor, though I'm not talking about
the agen part, Like yeah, what about like that when
you'll say a funny it's a funny story.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
There's had a song called trying to Stop Your Leaving
and I did it with Trey fan Joy. It was
a great friend of ours, great video director. And we're
shooting over Chattanooga and my I just got married. My
wife's on the bus and I was in there for
the first shoot. All is a five thirty in the
morning and it's like two story motel out the middle
of the outside of Chattanooga, and.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
I'm in there.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
There's the girls in there, and a cast comes. I
told her to bring some clothing off the bus and
you to wear. And she comes in and Trey goes, oh, no, no, no,
this first scene is just gonna be boxers. And my
wife's like my new wife's like okay, and she walks
out and goes back in the bus and Trey goes,
Dirk's and this girl high, nice to meet you.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
How you doing.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
There's like three dudes around like those kind of like
porn cameras. You're not just like the smallest still convan
and like in this shady like kind of paste floral bedspread,
kind of a motel place. Dirks, this isn't come a
little closer, This isn't raining on Sunday. This is effing
all right. And she f Zeppelin go, I'm with this girl.

(25:02):
I just got married. She's like, you know, and Trey,
She's like, okay, if you're not gonna kiss her, we
lick his chest and look it like up towards his neck,
so like she's this girl is like licking me, and
I'm just like, I'm not trying to do anything, and like,
you know, because I gotta go right back in the
bus until my wife would just happen. You know, I
can't lie about this is gonna be on TV. Come
back in the bus. And my wife's like, so how'd

(25:24):
that go. I'm like, well, yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
It was something.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
And I think that was one of the last videos
I did where it's not all I'll do whatever it
takes to help to help the song, not commercially, but
just the story. You know, the song is all that
matters in this town, so all matters me, and there's
a video that can help tell that story about it.
And then I'll do whatever it takes, you know, I'll
go anywhere and do anything. But I'm just not an actor.

(25:50):
And you look at Keys videos. Just recently did he
start kind of going back into some acting stuff. For many, many,
many years, Keith was just play guitar and let the
actors do the acting, let the singer do the singing
and make a great story video, not try to do
the whole thing, and of respect to that. And it
makes sense because I'm not very not very good actor.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
If there's a hot girl licking your neck and you're
in your boxers like band aids, but how do you
can still your fasties? You know what? Just mind control?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Jedi mind control.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
But I don't have I don't have it.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I know no. And that's what it's like. I'm you
just have to like baseball, Grandma, baseball toilet. It's total,
just like it's Jedi mind control. It's not gonna happen.
I can't let it happen.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Have some songs here, oh man, it's place of this stuff.
How about this one right here?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Put that crossed my mind a little too, because I
was thinking.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
When you first though that comes on you hear this
up here?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Reverse great song right here in town. And really without Bread,
I wouldn't have anything. He really took me under his
wing as a writer. And I learned so much from
Bread about writing. And this is back when like we
had like the shoe box tape recorders, you know, for
and pit and paper. And he taught me how to write.
One of the things he tom was just a you
think out loud and paper. Don't talk the whole time

(27:08):
in your writing songs for somebody, Just to work on
something when you got an idea. Maybe. But and I
remember playing that for Autumn House, who was an art
at a Capitol. I found her outside exiting. I grabbed
my guitar, ran after her to exciting she came out
of there. I sat her down on my tailgate played
her that song acoustically. I was going to the studio
the next day. And she's like, cut that song. That's great.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
So you run out to some prominent person here in town,
say hey, stop and have her watch you sing a song.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
She was an A and R. She still is over Capitol Records.
And and I she was in the club I think
it exitent and hearing listened to somebody and I texted her,
text her I called her and she met me outside
and I played it for acoustically, like outside the club,
and uh, because I thought it was a be a
big hit. Oddly enough, I fought really hard for that
not to be the first single, So what did you
want to be? The first song called Wish It Would Break,

(27:53):
which is more of a country thing. You know, it's
about your wishing your car steer would break. Because every
song plays your mind, your girl, we're stening this picture
frame would break that keeps falling down, but you don't
have the heart to throw it away because it's the
picture of the two of y'all. In the last verse
is about wishing your heart breaks, you just move on.
It's a great song and I wrote that with Brett
but Duncan Mike Dunan from capitols like we're going clothes,

(28:15):
I think.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
So and you're glad, Yeah, all right, here we go.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Come a little cols hear that song makes me think
of Chesney. I wrote that Brett Beavers, but Chesney said
that was a song that when you heard that come
on the radio, that's the reason why he took me
back out on the roads.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
And do you man, and you do so many I
hate people do this to me too.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
No, but I haven't heard that. I don't play that
song live anymore. So I love hearing that. It's a
great song.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
You don't play it's a little slow.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
And you say a little slow because you feel like
it takes the crowd down.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
You know, you gotta make a roller coaster out there
when you're in. You gotta find a way to take
people on the ride. And you can only have you
got to pick your you know, our show is so
high energy, and that's but what makes the show great
is and what makes those high energy songs work is
the real moments and and and that. Then you can
only have so many in that song. Just there's just
no room for that one right now?

Speaker 1 (29:06):
All right about this one? Probably my favorite songs.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Another song I don't do the live show anymore, but uh,
I do it usually earlier the.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Night in the acoustics show.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
But uh, when I think of that video, I think
that song through the video for it, because there's a
scene where I'm getting rained on by.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
A rain machine and there but you can tell us
know the rain like anywhere else in my mind, it's
like just coming on. It's like the cartoon Whenever Guys
on the Bat. It's such a great video.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
There's just that one moment, because you know, if you're
you care so much about the work you do, you're like, oh,
that one scene drives you crazy. But Chris Sick, you
did that video. It's actually one of the best videos
we ever did. And uh, that song is I love
that song, man, It's one of my favorite songs. But
I usually do it. I do a pre show acoustic
performance for some folks. I usually don't doing that song.
It's a good one.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I went to watch John Mary a couple of weeks ago.
I know how was that was? Speaking of bone? Did
you get one? I did move a little bit the
whole time. The whole thing.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
It wasn't gross was a picture of my get it moved.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
It was fully the It was like by y yeah,
And so I went, now a point I was gonna
get to.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
That's so funny, dude, I had. I genuinely had a yeah.
But you went to John Mayer so for slow down
it was yeah. Moments I come back to.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Have no idea amazing had a point he did? He
did who I don't know. I talked about the song that.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I wrote that song and launched Blown the same day
with Brett Beeavers and then into Steve Bogarten. You know,
it's a great song. I would say it's one of
the songs that it could say more. I mean thought was,
you know, it was a number one, but it wasn't
like a that was the lead single off an album
and it just wouldn't do much. People still love us,

(31:00):
I still do it live, but I used that song
for a lot of video content of like our life
on the Road. But that's a song that, if I'm
being totally honest in critiquing myself, just didn't say enough.
You know. The verses need to be more specific and
more biting, and more personal and more telling who you
are or the story you're trying to tell and just

(31:21):
not so interchangeable. So that I love that song, but
I was listening to That's one thing every song you
put out I put up on this one on has
to be like, say, something really impactful or you know,
every line has to be just perfect.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I know what it is. I remember what it was. Yeah.
So I went to John Mayer and he had these packages.
He was that they sell right, and it was like,
I don't buy one of them. I'm lucky enough. Oh yeah, yeah,
I get to go hang out. Yeah and so. But
it was like, if you're a super fan, you could
play like eight hundred bucks and you could go walk
backstage and get like a banana and touch John's I

(31:58):
don't know, what do you do? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Is there a little tour to see?

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yes, there's yes guitar and you pay one hundreds and
then you get you meet him and whatever. Do you
do that part of it where you're like pay because
it is worth something to get the experience.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
We do a thing where you pay extra nine dollars,
but you're pay and you come back to the rooms
you get you get to come in before anybody else.
There's beer and alcohol and some food.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
And I've seen that room. Yeah, and there's like a
little photo I saw people just paying money at the
butt for mayor.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
You know, it's a tough thing, you don't You want
to keep your ticket prices as low as possible, and
and and and and that's the whole thing out there.
Like one thing I think about from Garth Brooks is
low ticket prices. Man, it's the coolest thing you want
to keep.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
It's not the ticket though, that's what that's.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
But if you want to, like, yeah, if you want to,
like you know, if I go to see it, if
you're going to see you two or something, they offered
like some sort of like backstage thing. I would want
that because I'm a super fan. But yeah, that's and
I think it's the fans of one. It's a cool
deal because we we we do a lot. I used
to just be by myself and guitar, but the guys,
my man, they're sitting around and they're like, one guy,
Ben started playing with me on the guitar because he's like,

(33:02):
I don't eventhing to do. I'd love to go pick
And then Cassidy came out and started playing bass and
a kick drum, and then Dan bars fiddle. It's like
a full show. Now we play like forty minutes. It's
like a really fun Why.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Your voice sucks on Monday if you're playing six shows
in three days?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, well yeah we're and we do a lot of
like backstage just kind of playing as well. So it's
kind of fried, but it's for them. It's really fine.
It's really it's really it's what's cool about it's it's
acoustic and it's plugged end, but it's acoustic, and it's
I'm taking requests, We're telling jokes and telling stories, and
it's it's long. It's my It's only supposed to be
fifteen minutes, but ends up being like sometimes thirty four minutes.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
You and I know in the Nashville show you got
really sick before the show.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, I can't, I can think, I can't.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
No.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I did the acoustic thing that night, but it was
a little bit of a stretch.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I'm not even gonna say. I was just like, how
do you do it? Because I remember talking to you
before the show and you're like, I have literally have
an ivy bag. You took a picture of you had water,
you were hooked up. Yeah, a needle in you.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I did an ivy and a steroid at twelve and
a steroid at six. It's like your worst nightmare, Like
you just played Nashville, playing your hometown show, and it's
like to have no voice. Uh, it's it's it was
a It makes me like get the heb gs just
thinking about that moment.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
It ended up being a great night.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
It was such so cathartic that actually, when your voice
starts working, you're like, Wow, I'm gonna make it. This
is gonna happen. But leading up to that, whole day
was it was terrible. But I was able to do
the acoustic deal and I just had to cancel some
mean greets and stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Mike how the mower coming through the microphones you can't hear.
There's there's something where a house. So it's and my
name listen, what would you do in the situation?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
That's great views up here, by the way, I love it. Yeah, yeah,
this is the cool.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
It's the top floor, so it's cool.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
So but my neighbor, I'm gonnaell you, what would you
do in this situation? I don't know if you have neighbors, Say,
I got neighbors, bro, so they have trash cans. Yeah,
and there this neighbor. I live in a nice house,
but this neighborhood is still growing, so it's all different
kinds of houses. Yeah, and so there there's no h
aa because it's not like a super great neighborhood. No.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I mean, I love where you live. You know, we're
You're just part of the gang over.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Here, yes, you know, so I'm just part of the crew.
I thought there might be a gate or something. There
was a there was a there was a one point
out a get at one point when I moved here,
they maybe go to and have a security secured place
in my contract because you know, just getting jumping. Yeah,
so I lived there and I lived downtown and I
place flooded. Let me get to my point here. My
girlfriend was out and my neighbor comes over to the
house and starts knocks on the door, and Lenza is

(35:25):
here and she's like, yeah, hell hello, So say your
trash cans are they when when it storms they dump over?
And so there's like cardboard and we don't like that.
So she was like, okay, great. So my girlfriend like
gets bungee cables and straps them to the wood and
like to whatever. So then my neighbor sends a note
to her because she gives her. She's like, hey, if
you need anything, here's my cell phone number.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Right there.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
And so my neighbors sent the text to her going,
hey do you need a lawn service? And I was like,
you gotta be kidding me. She texted the neighbor texted lindsay.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
No, we're good.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Thanks. What would you have done? Because my listen, my
yard wasn't in the best shape. But it was just
now lawnmowing time. Dude.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I would let that grow. I would just let it grow.
What are you talking about me that way?

Speaker 1 (36:09):
She talked me out of it.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
That would really? That would that would not That would
not sit well with me, Like, just you do you,
I'll do me.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
And my dog has to have a backyard too, so
I thought about molling like one little square for him
and letting the rest grow up. Yeah you should, but
you know everybody kind of leaves everybody alone over here. Yeah, man,
thanks Mike, do you Is that a weird thing for
you that people know where dorks Mainley lives? You know.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I struggled with that a little bit. But it's it's
all good. I mean, country music.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Fans are so we're lucky you not fans neighbors.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Oh no, I we're pretty I'm walking my dogs and
because of riding on the street and everyone's that one's
pretty cool about it. Mean, it's yeah, it's no, it's
not problem for me famously by her. No big gate.
I've never been over to your house. No gate.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
People say I should get a gate. I don't have
a gate. Hm, yep, your kids don't enough to have
like go cards.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I get the buses drive by a little bit and
stuff like that, like the what buses, No, it's Country
and Western tour buses.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
They come by your house and say that's what lives.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh no, it used to be like six seven times
a day.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
You got to I don't think they can get around
up here. But yeah, they about a little bit. You know,
there are those folks in there.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
It's all good, you know, it is all good. Ninety
nine point nine percent. I like our listeners are the greatest,
but it's when you get the one point the point
one percent person who I have.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
But I should say too, I have a lot of
security features and I have guns as well too. I
mean we're we're I'm recording stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I can believe these things drive by your house like
I would call them at their work and be like, hey.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Listen, no, let's not do this. There's a time you
got those thoughts like gonna put.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Like nails in the road or something. No, I never
had that thought. I never had all put nails in
the road.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Well I have, I've gone, I've gone, I've playing my
life now. I'm like it's all it's it's all good,
but you could go the other direction well as well,
and do like what guys like web Peers, big country
singer in the sixties. He used to have buses stop
his house and sell him pool water. He would literally
jarb like little bar. It was pool for five dollars.
You can have some web peers to pull water. So
does that mail? This doesn't work out for me? You know,

(38:17):
maybe I'll start selling out some I don't have a pool,
I'll start selling uh, grass clippings.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Speaking of yards, The Bobby Cast will be right back.
This is the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Do you have to cook you ever? Do you put
the kid lunches together?

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Are uh my wife does does lunches in the morning?
Or we met tag team? This is a's a it's
a full on tag team session in the morning. So
everyone's kind of a little bit everything. But it seems
like she usually makes the PB and Jay sandwich was.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
What's it too? Because everybody knows you as the guy
that does the music? But what's a Tuesday like for you?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Get up at four forty four? It gives me in
one minute too, because thirty seconds complain and and talk
about I don't want to get up and gives me
thirty seconds to actually start think about the positives of
how I feel after I work out. I go to
the gym, the group work out from five to to
five fifty five.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
You do a group work out, Yeah, do people stare
at you and go there's no no, I don't know.
That's all.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
No one cares. I mean, it's all it's all good, good, good.
Everyone's there. People are working out five o'clock in the morning.
They don't care who I am.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
They're they're hardly You said like, I want to tell
yoga glasses now, and I was terrible. I'm terrible at yoga, right,
I had three of you. I'm embarrassed because I'm not
good at it. Three people coming to me and be like,
hey by, we're doing yo. And I'm just humiliated because
they watch.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
They can't.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Maybe you just don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
No, I don't that you know. It's all. It's all
just regular people and no one. Again, it's five o'clock
in the morning. These people are not they're there to
work out. They're not really that interested in who else
is there. It's a really hard work out. It's freaking exhausting.
They get home and I you know, hopefully everyone's still
asleep because they need to be asleep, but my house

(39:58):
always has gone up sorely, and we just you know,
trying to get that morning time is kind of like
that's kind of like some people have family dinner. For us,
like breakfast is like the time we're most together doing stuff,
and you know, just trying to it's a dance with
the food and the dogs and just trying to make
them morning great and get at the door and positive
spirits and get those guys off the school. And then
I come back and start working on stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
But what does that mean? Working on stuffs? Writing songs.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Right now, I'm trying to work on the records, so
I'm writing with uh tomorrow right with Casey Bethard and
Jared Johnson and but you know, and just trying to
catch up on life that I've missed from being from
being down the road. So that's pretty much what Tuesday
morning looks like, you know, and trying to catch with
casts to you know, doing stuff with her, just dumb stuff,
I don't know, just running errands, you know, going to

(40:45):
some more groceries or stuff, I don't know, taking them
someone's shoe, GT Fixed the shoe store.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Uh, just stuff?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Man?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Will you write with somebody else for them? At this point?
Are you just writing for yourself?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
I just write for myself. I don't think I'm I
think enough writer to write for the people. I'd love
to get a cut from somebody else, but I think, hey,
when I see someone else, right, when I see another
artist's name on a song, my first thought is like,
how come this song wasn't good enough for you? But
you're pitching it to me, you know? And second I don't.
I just I don't have the time, and I don't
think i'm I mean, I I from writing with guys
like John Knight and Ross Coffrom, and every day I'm

(41:21):
sure I could get something cut by somebody else because
those guys are on fire.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
But I just right for me, I asked, because I
guess three or four days ago you text her like, hey,
let's all that's right, that's me and Ross right. And
I was like, what did I say? You can tast
exactly what I said back to you. You said, hey,
let's write. What was my response?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
He said, No, I'm not good enough for somebody.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I said, I don't deserve to have to sit and
write with Dirk's and Ross. That's that's the I only
do anything I would never do.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I only do stuff now at this point my career
that like interests me, excite excites me. This is fun
And the idea of you, me and Ross in a
room writing would be really fun because he's such a
positive guy.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Some people in this town that you could write like
that's what I was like. I was like, no, I
don't kids.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
We could get something really great, would be really we
could get something really good.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
But I don't deserve that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
It's not a deserved it. Of course you deserve it,
you know, we don't. We don't deserve anything we're doing.
We serve everything well, we work for and make it happen.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
And there's our Jake momentary fight.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I oh, you know what I mean? You deserve to
be that. Why would you not deserve to be in
that room? Because not to do that, I mean you're
on stage by yourself doing comedy, which is probably sounds
like the living like that sounds like a hell to me.
It sounds like like my it.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Doesn't sound like I was come out. I can never
do that.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I tell to their jokes on stage and they usually
bomb and I usually say okay, I'll get back to
the scene. Thanks for listening. So but you know, I
don't know an'll think its a matter of deserve. It's
a matter of it would be fun.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
You say you're a you two super fan? Is that
your favorite band?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
I think it is. Yeah, I think it is my
favorite band.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
What's your I have a rule, your favorite bank, your
favorite song? For them can't be a huge radio song,
Oh gosh on earth? No, no, no, I'm asking what
your fvorite songs?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Would have told you the rule before I told you?
I say, for them, probably a song called peace on Earth? Why,
it's just how it's kind of a really morbid song,
but it's just about that there's never really will be
peace on Earth.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I got it all up here, I have whatever whatever.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
That's my favorite record right there.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
From you get on this computer. I gotta going through
electa right now? You have an election?

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Kite is so good to go play Kite? Well, hold on,
it's like a song for your kids.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Mike, what's happening over here? What? But did I not
push right this computer? Let's playing a little bit? Can
you hear it? Oh? There? It is? Is that Peace
on Earth?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yea the volumes there good.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
If I had to pick on that list where there
it'd probably be it would probably be Kite. This is
a later U two record, though, and this is your favor.
But because I remember playing me like, I have to
go back and I mean cool, I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
So good.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, I think I love about them. It's just their
energy as a band, and you watch them play, it's
like how many shows you been to? Not that many?

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah? Really? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
She said my name is the National show.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
I had dinner with them the.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Night before and then oh wow, yeah it was pretty Uh,
it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Let's do this because we do this on the show.
Biggest name dropper story, because I don't know if it's
bigger than Bono, So I'm gonna I'm gonna that one
does not count because I'd like to hear more about that.
But let's take Bono out of the minutes. Yeah, biggest
name dropper story.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Gosh, man, I mean I don't have that many famous.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Like, no, the cool you do you have to I
have cool one. I mean, give me like one of yours.
Let me think about it for saying like, okay, I'll
give you as you think about it. So see I
went to it. Yeah, I don't care. I talked about it.
I went to Augusta with John Legend. Yeah, and we
you know, there were four of us. Wow, And it
was me, Andy Roddick, John Legend and another buddy. But
we just we deserve two days hanging out watching golf.

(45:08):
And I was and I don't I mentioned it because
I don't lie, but it's that's a pretty cool. And
we sat around the house for two days hanging out.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
I had a glass of wine with Phil Michelson one
time with the you know, golf at saw At then
and that's not that's not cool. I know.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Peyton Manning's a friend. That's cool friend.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I went fishing. I went fishing all day long with
Peyton Manning up in the northern uh Canada the British Columbia.
We fished for like gigantic fish for half the day.
So that'd be my biggest probably what's Manning like? He's
totally cool? Yes, So he's just like the guy on
the Papa John's commercial. Man He's like laid back and
funny and good stories and easy to be around.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
And I had dinner with Eli once. Yeah, at Peyton
super Bowl, which one in Miami. I went Archie Eli
and and uh Cooper, Yeah, because Peyton was playing. Yeah,
and so we went and had dinner the night before.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
And I just remember Eli being so big and like
he doesn't look big on TV. Is big monsters? I mean,
Peyton's a monster. Peyton so and.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
We I actually watched the very first game of the
year this last year with Peyton in a sweet in
Denver and we were watching it was Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
So you guys are real friend, like you would call Peyton?

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, I texted the moment. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Do you still get nervous texting him? No, like like
he's gonna judge you, Like your text has to be
right on. No, No, I do know. I know because
there are a coupleple I feel like that with them.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Like right timing don't do too often?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, you're not too late. And do you respond to
their text there? You know, do you respond right back
right away or do you give it a second?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Or are you respond knowing that I can respond back.
That's okay because you're kind of in fearor in this relationship.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
That's a funny one though, Like who do you have that? Really?
Because I can tell your mind too, like who do
you have that relationship with where it's like I have
their number, well.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Certainly with him with with with Bono, I like I
I texted him, I used to like, that's another one,
like I tryed to I kind of manifested that meeting
him because I used to like carry. I saw him
plolling time in all places in Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I finished, and he went saw Pearl jam and and
YouTube together in Hawaii with the same show.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
That show. Yeah, yeah, it's in two thousand and seven,
and I had I had a CD in my back
in my jeans because I was like, I know, I'm
to pitch in this song because I want to get
what you wanted to pitch a song I wanted to
sing sing on my record. Yeah, And I finally made that.
I actually finally Uh there's a song on my last
record called Here on Earth. And I sent to him
and he wrote back, this is a you know, he's

(47:35):
one of those guys that can just say, like in
three lines, every line is look so profound, it's like
so well written and just he's on a different level.
And I, uh, of course emailed back this long thing.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
But hey, we're coming to Ireland, go.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
To go to go to a pub and some all
this stuff beers and stuff. Yeah, I didn't get that response,
but he's I think he's pretty busy. But uh yeah,
those I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Give me give me one more because it's like you
have to look at the time on your clock. You're like, okay,
you figure is he didn't do with his family? Will
the text bothers in with his family?

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Is?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Does he even want to hear from me?

Speaker 2 (48:06):
I know, like like, yeah, we're just talking with We're
just talking about family supper on the road yesterday. But
Steve Missmer our drummer, He's like, I think I've kind
of fangirled James Neil.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
A little too much.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Who's the hockey player for the Threads. He's like, yeah,
I'm kind of like I don't know him that well.
And I keep texting him like game, game, You're so awesome,
and he's like, I think I got to back off
a little bit. I was like, yeah, let me text him.
Texted me like he wrote me back with a yeah,
everyone is guilty of that's a little bit. But I
can't think of Youah, nobody else you can add it
at you. No, I'm trying to man, I'm I'm terrible

(48:41):
text me. I've been like, off, I bought a foot phone.
I love iPhones and I love Apple and that we
live for him. But I'm like, that's why I'm saying much.
I love your show, Like this is such a gredia
of this podcast because I'm I'm oh, oh good.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
No.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I've been like trying to do like one day week
where I'm just on my foot phone for the whole
day and it's so hard. But it's just like I
am so over.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
It's a love hay relationship with the technology texting and
I text so many people, but like that's not really
is that really? I maybe we're keeping up, but is
that really I'd really have an hour conversation with somebody
and have like a real conversation.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
But is it better than nothing? Because at the pace
that you're going, people always go out.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Phones or in the airphones.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
One if our phones are actually keeping us to people
that we would never talk to, it's true, but I do.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
So I have kids now too, though, So I know
there's guys out there in Silicon Valley. There are geniuses.
It's been their whole lives thinking about it. How could
I make an eight year old completely addicted to this device.
And these are smart, smart people working with unlimited funds
and on their coding all the time. And my daughter
gets on an iPad and it's completely hooked to some
game and she's just an experiment to these people. Same

(49:47):
as Instagram, the stuff they got going on where you
try to keep the streak alive. You know, how many
days in a row have you texted this you know whatever, Instagram,
this person. It's like it's all geared towards we're We
grew up without this stuff, so brains have a chance
to function. But when you see it through your kids
and how it's just not right. Man. So I have
to leave. By example, if I have my phone out,
it just takes once a bunch of times for your

(50:10):
kid to go dad. You know, so sorry, you just
feel like the worst person. So I don't even take
that phone in the house, Like I just I'm all,
I have a flip phone. My wife has the number,
Mary has the number, and it's like if anyone needs
me and my wife, you know, they can get touched me.
But it's the freedom is unbelievable. But yeah, as far
as friends go, you know, I've been emailing more. I
just like I am better off an email. I'll write

(50:32):
longer emails to do it through that because I gotta
sit down and not just constantly just like on that
thing and try to crazy. Do your kids do they
to bring it today? I'm mean to bring my flip phone,
but I forgot it.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
They dourchases like where they buy the things inside the game,
and then you get the billing.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
You're like, whoa. And then they don't do iPads. They
only get iPads on the weekends and not that much.
But Bill, everything has to come through me, so I'll
have to prove whatever she gets.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
There's no buying anything. It's just these little.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Games they buy they get for free that these people
out there up and then they they want to buy
a stuff inside of it. We don't do an that,
but it's scary, man. I hate it. I hate it
for kids. I grew up in the place we.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Had the same thing, though our parents were thinking us like,
look at these guys. They're cordless phones. Different, but it's different.
It's just like the music and everybody's like, well the
music is different now.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
But with the phone, man of technology wasn't changing every day,
every single day, they're doing software updates on your phone
to make it more addictive every day. Those guys, right now,
you're you're not Bobby Bones your experimental five six seventies.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
This dude, like everybody buying your record, and so is
everybody that's streaming your music. They are too. We're all
looking at data from everything else and creating our own
lives from No.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
But man, I don't know that's I just that's why
I love this podcast. I feel like it's just so
much better than being out the texting man.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
And did you listen to the Ross Copper whole thing?

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:52):
That is funny. I like that, dud.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I love I learned. I learned more about Ross from
your podcast and I and I've known Ross now since,
you know, since I got Tipping on back. I mean,
I learned more from that that interview. It's great. I
mean that's what I've been doing in my truck now
is just driving and listening to your podcast and talking
about Tim Ferriss and some other people. It's like, it's
such I need to retool my brain because it's getting

(52:14):
it's bad, especially if you're a musician on the road.
I mean the damn iPhone. It's just like you. We
have a a funny Instagram hashtag called band band members
on phones, and it's just like I took one the
other day from it. We're up with this beautiful landscape
in the middle of South Dakota and the Black Hills
and taking a self timer shot and two my guys.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Are on their phone.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It's like looking around for one second, but it's just
you know, you're eating dinner catering and just like, but think.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Of all the relationships because of that.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Derek Jeters dating Madonna, that's so cool to you. It's like,
you know, I know stuff. I don't want to know
it not anybody else. I don't want to know what
is going on. I want to know, like what's happening
to people that I care about, So I don't know.
I got to My relationship with technology is really it's
something has to be been haane all the time.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Especially once you get kids. It really is like that's
a different story. I can't argue about the kids I have.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Any kids, you don't want them on it, dude, especially girls.
It's just I don't think it's a fair medium for
girls in general.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
All the dating apps and stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
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Speaker 1 (53:27):
Who else, let's stay out of the format, Yeah, because
you get into a little mess here when you go, Okay,
who do you look? Who else do you listen to?
Out of the force? So you love you too? Who
else you like?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I mean Bruno mars Is, He's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Why is he unbelievable to you?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
He just has more talent? I mean for performance wives,
the guy just has.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
He's just so good.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
You know, the rest of us have there those country
singers up on stage with out our guitars and doing stuff.
You know, I'm trying to feel the flow of the song.
He's just like in it's pinky just he has more
moves right there than the rest of us have. Like,
this guy's got it, man, and his songs are so good.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Man. There was a time he came into our show
six years ago, right and so not talking about that.
He was doing the bit where he could do any
song period. He was like his name is song and
I was like, okay, I the tiger and he plays
the tiger. He's like what else? So he's a jew box,
jew box and he did uh Tina Turner. He was

(54:27):
just nailing, and I was like, dude, what's what he's like. Well,
because he grew up in a family bands. He was
like the youngest kid and they were like all his
whole family, they were all the band. He was like,
they were like an Elvis impersonators, and so he had
all the skill set and he's also super good and
super smart. And he's like, did you do the Disney's
school stuff?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
You go through that like that?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
No, I don't think he was one of the one
of his kids was just there's a video if you
google Bruno Mars from The Bobby Bone Show. He crushes.
He did, Michael Jackson, he did like Billy Jean.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
He's like, yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
So he's playing with She was more like, he's just
crushing every song. So good. He's just it.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
He's just got that thing, man.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
And now he's a superstar.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
He is a superstar.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
It's fun to watch, like though, it's even fun to
watch it now here in the country world to watch
and actually like be a part of people's careers and
see them go from just somebody who's getting a deal
or somebody who had doesn't have a dell yet, like,
you know, one of my first people here that I
actually met, and she was just a kid, it was Kelsey,
ye know. I remember her being.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
On her show singing an acoustic version of the girl
Crush or something.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
I don't know. Maybe she was on the tour every week.
I mean, she didn't mount a song, but I just
remember talking to her and she was she had a
publisher deal. And it's been cool to watch on these
artists like Grow and she's you know, got four number
ones now and it's like it's like now she's a star.
But you've been able to see, so who did you
see early on where you're like, oh, man, like I'm

(55:57):
not even that I wasn't that good when I started
in there going to be.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I mean, all these guys, I feel like Thomas Rhett, uh,
you know, he just has like man, I mean I
got my deal. I was twenty six, twenty seven. I'm
such a late bloomber. I didn't have anything really figured out.
And even when I got married and was just out
there on the road and like trying to like grapple
with like how to make these things all work. These
guys make it look so effortlessly I mean Thomas with

(56:24):
and Lauren and he's balancing, he's he's got to go on.
I want I went actually got him saying them the
night when he played down here at the Sand and
after the game, right like yeah breads, yeah, and uh,
he's just got the shows tight. He's so good up there.
He's he just knows what he's doing. And his personal
life as well is really like balanced and it's integrated
into his like is uh his career and he just

(56:45):
he's got a lot. He's way away for the head
that I was like mentally developed as far at that age.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
I remember last year he played iHeart Country Festival, and
I've seen him because I don't get to see a
lot of you guys on the road because you're also
out on the road, yeah, or like I'm just tired
and it's like what am I going to do to
travel to New Hampshire to watch you guys play? Yeah,
Like I just watched you go over to the house
Like yeah, it's so I don't get to see shows
that often.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
And that's not that's kind of a that's like a
televised kind of situation.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
It is. Yeah, But he played a full set and
haven't and I hadn't seen Tiarn forever, right, So it
was so I went up to mafter the show and
I was like, dude, like it. It was next level.
He had grown so much. Yeah, and it was so
freaking good. Yeah, he did, you know. It was like
kids do the darnest things, is what I told him.
It was like that show. It was like it's like
I watched a kid. Yeah, just like grow up.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
We I was with him when he really was making
this transfer which he recently made with his music from
Fear at Jesus and some of the you know, kind
of breaking away. Were on the road together and he
was talking about as new record and he's talking about
he was I mean, he was nervous.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
I think he's about to have a nervous breakdowns. He really
was going for a different sound and just trying different stuff.
And a lot of people, you know, transfer away from
kind of the the thing he was doing, the Georgia
Boy stuff and of this person he is now, and
a lot of haters, you know, hating on him for
the things he was going for. And I was always
so supportive because he really was going for his His
goal is high. He's not going for just he wants

(58:11):
to he's competitive and he wants to take down to
take down the top guys who are in his same
you know league, and there is his same crew. And
he's like, I look that I got this one song
that's a love song. I think it's only thing that's
gonna save me in this album. Is no one's like
this album I will be terrible, But I got this
one song is a love song, and we'll see how
it goes. And it was of course die happy man,
and it's gotta change everything. He's dialing on it. Man,

(58:32):
It's fun to watch him like just keep getting it
more and more figured out who he is and what
he wants to do.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
What was that for you? What was the song that
were you kind of switching up for You're like, oh boy,
we're a different playing field now.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
As man, I think my career is so different than
anyone else. As I know it's it's just been so
such a long slow What.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Comes to mind where you're like, I'll be a plane
changed a lot for me. Uh, I'm getting drunk on playing.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I mean the biggest song had a big like, you know, bang,
the most important song in my whole career and I
stay every night when I'm on stage is as I
Hold On. That's a song that like connects the most of.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
The whole, the most personal song for me.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I wrote rap my dad passed away and the audience, man,
those it's it's a song in the.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Show where like we're going to party.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Thing's fun, it's awesome, we're all funy connected because we're
all having so much fun, and throw a party. This
song I play it, it's just like it loses in
a different direction. It's it's it's more as like this
instead of this. It's like we just come together over
the shared sentiment of wolding onto things that means something
to you. And that's the most important song.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Important, but not the one you felt flipped you like,
oh boy, this is it. I remember the day Drunk
on a Plane, like I heard of the first time. Yeah,
you brought it into the studio it hadn't been played yet,
and and you were like, I want you to hear
a song. I was like, this is a real song,
drunk on a Plane. I thought you were messing with me.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, And I almost didn't even put it on the record.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Who makes that call then to put it on the
record just you know, I'm so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Everyone I work with there's such an open communication. If
I like even the label with Mike and sending everyone
capital if if I have doubts about something, they don't
immediately jump on that new set to promote their genda.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Everyone just is like cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
We all work out together and work with Mary and
we just kind of like and our tour and my
executive producer and Ross and just okay, let's put it
on there, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
But then to make it a stingle, are you talking
about like complete leftist center?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
No? No, I remember, like that's all will never work, man,
rednecks don't fly like I don't know. I don't know
if it will work either, but it's it's I'm a
pilot and I love you know. At the time, it
was empty drinks and it was it was, but it
is a huge song for me, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
It was an it was a monster. Yeah, and then
it flew up the charts. Yeah, it's big. I remember
the day it came on the radio. We did a
debut like a world mirra and it played all day
long and I won't say it is, but I was like, man,
this sounds really good, right because I like things that
are different. Yeah, I don't. I like taking a big
chance and hitting home runs more so than being consistent

(01:01:03):
and just you know, having that three hundred batting average. Yeah,
so it came out. I was like, man, I love
the song because this is not like anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
That one of our radio gups was a big radio guy.
He was like, this suck.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
It was like, this is never gonna work. It's too weird. No,
it's not. He obviously it wasn't right because but like,
I love this song. You know what song I love
yours it didn't work for you was Bourbon in Kentucky, Yeah,
with you and Casey. I loved that song too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
That album cycle was so fun except put up Bourbon
it didn't work, pulled it back, put out I Hold On,
which probably you know was a huge song for me.
Then Drunk on a Plane, which was obviously the biggest
song off that album. But Bourbon, it was a great
song that Hillary Lindsay wrote, and I just I love
that song. And I had to call her up. She's
down to Orange Beach. She had a few drinks and
I was like hey, She's like, Hey, what are you doing.
I was like you're not gonna believe this, but we're

(01:01:51):
pulling that song. And she was like so confused. She's
just like I thought the next time I heard from
you would be like the number one party. I'm like,
I have never had a pull song for my life.
But it's the middle of summer and I'm getting all
his feedback that the song's too dark and that's why
I loved it, though I know, I know I love
it too, and I just everyone's everyone around. He was like,
it's just not going to work, and you can either

(01:02:13):
work it for thirty weeks and have it die in
the thirties or make a change. Now it's the first
song off the record, and I hate that. It was
a great tune, but yeah, just that's what happens sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
What for you, because the artist will come in and say, hey,
this is like, for example, I think, who was it?
My American kids like Kenny cut a little Big Town
had it yeah, and Kenny cut it yeah, and so no, no,
Kenny had it. Wait, yeah, a little bit TWN had it. Yeah,
a little bit Gun had it. Yeah. Shane was telling

(01:02:45):
the story. Okay, now it's all sorts of yeah, a
little Shane had it. He's on a flight and uh,
he's on a flight with Kenned. He plays his song
for kick. He's like, I gotta have the song, but
Shane's like, I'm too scared to tell him a little
bit toown's already cut it. Yeah, so he has to
call I have to call a little big down. Kenny
Cat said like, I would love to have this song,
and she's like and Kenny's like, I want to make

(01:03:06):
this the single, yeah, and he's like, it's up to you, guy,
it's your song. You've already started paying, you're tracking it.
And so a little big town gave the song American
Kids to Kenny. Yeah. So a lot of people came
up with stories like man, I had this song and
then I was like, yeah, last minute, I let it go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I have a bunch of songs that like I heard
and I because the main thing if you're picking singles
you gotta pick are picking songs. You gotta pick songs
that are hits, but also their hits for you, and
that's that's that's how you get the big hits out
of the park. And I hit three hundreds when he
picked singles that are like made for you, you think
the songs like Don't Close Your Eyes by Keith Whitley,
songs that like We're Just as a singer was made

(01:03:43):
for that song John Party song during My Boots. I
heard that song. I think before he you know, before
he cut it, And what did you think when you
heard it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Huge hit?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
This is a monster, this is a huge song. There's
a lying there about a tractor, you know, and I
was like that, just I don't have that tractor factor,
you know, I don't have that thing. It's not what
I do. So like, I can either try to change
this song up to make it work for me, or
just let it go and help those guys, you know.
I want the songwriters. I want them to find for songwriters, man,
they might get one or two great Well, these guys

(01:04:12):
they probably get five great songs a year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I don't want to stand in away someone's like baby
and tied up, because that's the way Nationville used to be.
People to hold songs for like years, you know, hold
thirty forty songs for the record, and the hold was
respected nowadays as it should be. It's not like you
either cut it or you don't. And if you're you know,
you're taking your time I'm gonna pitch it to somebody
else and get them to cut it. You know, songwriters

(01:04:35):
have more power now, I think than they did back
in the late nineties. But so that song Whiskey Lullaby
is a song that came that I that I that's
a good herd And I was like, ah, and then
and why why not that one?

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
What? What? That? I just uh, I don't know just what,
you know. I didn't hear it as a duet that
the way Brad heard it, which is genius. It just
wasn't I don't know. I just didn't have it, didn't
do it, didn't do something for me. I don't know
what it was. But there's that happens all the time.
But for me, it's I ever go, oh my gosh,
I'm kicking myself. I'm always like, I'm happy for that
that song found the right home and made its way.

(01:05:09):
There's there's always another song out there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Who have you heard the opposite where you got this long?
Because somebody else was like, no, made a hit and
they have to be Oh man, No, somewhere on the
beach was a big deal. It really was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Man, that was like, uh, yeah, I had this song
on hold, and there's five guys that wrote that song,
and there's a lot of people wanted that song, and
I just, uh, who wanted it got wrote one of
those the writers of the song. I'm totally drawing a
blank right now my brain is what happens when you're

(01:05:40):
on the road for three day straight. But well, actually,
Michael Knox, I think I think Michael Knox wanted it
for one of his artis is what it was. And
we kept saying our tour. I Luckily I don't to
fight those battles. My one of my producers really goes
in the trenches for that stuff. And it worked out
as a big hit for for me and it helps
them go on the road and kind of have a
song talk about. But at the same time, I know
it's to be tough when you're a new artist. You know,

(01:06:01):
a big song that it's different, you can kind of
set you apart from other people. But hopefully they're happy
it was a big hit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
You know, it's like lady, you know, Lady has you
look good? And and that was Thomas Rhet's first that's
his song and it was he didn't write it, he
had it okay, and he was like he was gonna
cut it. It's awesome the whole, I mean and the whole.
But every artist does different things with it too. Yes,
that's what we don't know too, Like, yeah, what are
you going to do different about? Like Kenny's totally was
like this beach vibe. Who knows how Little Big Tow

(01:06:28):
Wou'd cut it and tracked when what they would have
had as a part of this song, and it's it's yeah, totally,
it's you know, I think all you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I mean, it's just the business we're in and in
life in general, is you have to like you cannot
like hold like that you can. You got to be
have an attitude of gratitude and be thankful for what
you got. And if something it's all meant to be,
it's it's it's there's a reason why you didn't cut
that song. There's just want someone else cut that song,
and otherwise your drivers all crazy and you would be
resentful and you're gonna be You're you're playing a small

(01:06:58):
game and you should be playing a much bigger game
where you're looking at a macro view of it, not
just this micro like song song, song, song song. If
you're you know that's not that's not the work.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
People trying to pitch you songs all the time. Not
not your people and not people that are in your
second tier. But like walking down the street people.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I get stuff. Yeah, I get stuff, obviously it shows.
And my email a dress A lot of people have
email address. I get a lot of songs out there
and that I try to listen to them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
And but you do try to listen to them. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
I mean, I'm pretty quick. I mean I can go
seven eight seconds and know whether it's from me or not.
It might be a great song, but it's not for me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
What about the legalities of it though? Because I have
I write dumb songs right on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Is someone like hands me a CD, I don't touch it.
It goes to Tom or Jr.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
One of my guys. And because you have songwriters insurance,
because if I have to have it, you have it
like crazy, right, you know, I don't know if I
have her, you for sure if they're if my business
manager makes me have it, find out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I know, like talking to guys in the town that
have it and they say it's pretty amazing. But I'll
find out right now if but I have it, I
don't think I do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
And maybe my business man makes me have it because
she knows I probably accidently still a song, but I'm
not good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
You have to make sure.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I find out right now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
I definitely have it. Let's see here, let's run throw
a couple more real quick. This is not a single,
but love the song. My favorite songs on the record.
I don't want to be the moon because Ryan's been
in I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Just saw mayoron backstage and Thomas's show. I was like,
kend leave you and tr have a song that together.
I kind of ruins the chance it was to be
a single. But I text Ryan all the time. You
know I do have summer insurance. Yeah, there you go, Ryan,
and you gonna keep up and uh, this is the
best Song's been telling them for two years, like the

(01:08:41):
song means, it's one of the best songs for her.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
It's such a unique like take on it and like
you Almasim, for songs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Are different saying that way you haven't heard before. The
idea of like I'll be the moon man, that guy
can be the sun. He can be in your life
during the daytime, but I'll be there with you at night.
And that's such a good idea, and she kills it.
She sings that they're part of There is so awesome
and I wish it was a single. Maybe maybe, I
don't know, but I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
When the record came out, I love that song so much.
You're America has sanging, I was like, you guess I
sing it on the show, Like, yeah, I love the show.
I love songs so much.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Was I she's blown up obviously, Yeah, but yeah, she's
relatively new at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Ryan, Ryan and I keep up. Yeah, I like that
dude too. He's a good dude.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
I think we're gonna see at the stage Coach on Friday.
So we got there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
We're playing on Saturday. No man in early. Yeah, I
am what are you? Are you working or just hanging?
We're playing on Saturday night. What are you coming on Friday?
We're just we're just have to get there early because
it's such a big thing. You come in Friday night. Yeah,
we'rek what time you playing? We're making Friday fifteen. So
you're but you're the big You're the big name on

(01:09:43):
the top of that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
My third time, finally, it's not the top of the thing.
That Stage Coach is a tough gig. The ideal gig
is the one right before the last one, as it
always is. Eight o'clock slot. Sun's still going down, they're
still serving alcohol. People's buzzes are still kind of going
up a little bit. They're in a good mood. Still
ten fifth seen. You know, they're they're like almost hung over.
At this point, you have to go out there and
like just killed. You have to kick their ass.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
You're one of the big names. Like you learn three
big names. It's Dirks Shanaya because that's who's our night,
and then maybe it's Kenny. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
The first time I played there was with it was
Daylight and Taylor Swiftland before me. That was that says
a lot. It was back in two thousand and seven,
and I came back and opened for Miranda, and then
this time we're finally headlining it. So look at that
big deal, big night.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Stage Coaches is one of them. I've never been before.
Played like six months ago. It's fun and we were like, Okay,
weren't gonna play a bunch of each other. I'm just
doing stand up. Yeah, it's and everybody's like, come do
stage coach. Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Hopefully you'll be in that night.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yeah, come, we'll come out to Shre. We're standing in
the front house close, so we're just gonna be able
to walk over there is I guess is that walkable?

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Like can you watch yeah, run back and forth. It's
it's so much going on the backstage is great. There's
so many different bands and that's what's great.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
You got guys like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Yeah when I was bluegrass bands playing, you got Jerry
y Lewis is playing. You got country.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
They do a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
We're really bringing like everybody in that's under the country umbrella.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
So we're playing a lot of the brianc Conno festivals
this year. Yeah, we're doing that Route ninety one at
Faster Horses and we're and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
So Connal's vessels are fun. Man, those in particular are great.
He takes a lot of pride. He makes the backstage
vibe right, that's what that's what he like, you can tell.
And for the fan experience too, you know, I mean
I love all the festivals. They're great, but having like
festivals that aren't just the kind of the same feeling
that kind of have this unique like ninety one has
its own feel, and Faster Horses does its feel, and

(01:11:30):
Watershed has its feel. And the I'll go with Brian
in a golf cart and go drive around people tail getting.
Will show me where we set this place.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Up just to get ice.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Man, they get ice anytime they want. Here and some
block and this is a pond they can go fishing.
The they can get fishing poles from right here and
go fish in this pond. And he really makes it unique.
And hopefully we're doing some of those together. I'm doing
Faster Horses and maybe I'm doing Watershed.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
I don't know. Does it feel like you live two lives?
I do live two lives because it's I mean, like
the normal dude during the middle of the week and
then star on the weekends.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
I'm literally I've had a chance to do like some
TV stuff and it would make for great TV, but
I just don't want to have like cameras on me.
But because of aviation and because and and I'm treating
myself on Who I am on the road is definitely
who I am my fans. I'm honest and in front
of them, and that's a big part of my personality.
When I get on stage and go crazy. But I

(01:12:21):
am will literally I'll be I'll be flying home and
the next morning it when my kids are younger, I'll
be like in a mommy me class with a TWIRLI baton,
you know, like do things. But no one in the right,
no one possibly think that I was doing this, you know,
like because I mean I'm all in on the dad thing,
like I I there's nothing beneath me, nothing I won't do.
I will do anything, and so it's uh, it's definitely.

(01:12:43):
I physically am two places at once too. I mean
I get very little sleep. I you know, I'm up
every morning early because I want to have a full
life here and one thing it takes a toll on
is the sleep. But I really am physically sometimes in
two places at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Hank tight the Bobby Cast will be right back, and
we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
I want to end on this and I wonder if
it got a question for you? Cool? Okay, let me
hit first and then I'll come up. You guess what, nap,
I walk by your book every day. It was in
my closet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
They're not drives me crazy all the time. I see
I go do you get paid down. The Naple thing nothing,
zero question, I had zero.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
NAPA buys a studio sponsorship there and it's in there.
And I wanted that book to be just random pictures,
and so just like the book is all random stories
and I just want and nap away. We had to
make the decision do we not choose the picture because
there's a logo or do it is a part of
my life and a part of time. We were like,
you know what, they just I really like working with

(01:13:56):
now because they're fantastic. But also it was like, you know,
this is nap the Weirdly, they're a big part of
my life because they allow me to eat. The sponsors
of the show allowed me to eat. We had to
have a meeting to go in the picture of the
book there's a NAPA logo. Do we cut it? Do
we make it black? Absolutely? And it was just I
just tried in that book too. As much of my life.
Very really was just let it be all the time.

(01:14:19):
I was like, that's so funny you asked that, because
we had a whole meeting about that. I was like, this,
let it be, no no money extra, we I don't
think we never even told them they we know. Yeah,
oh kay my question. So when the ACMs happened and
you're you were hosting, I was back for a present
and it was crazy how calm and chill you were
in between. We were just talking before going on, and

(01:14:41):
I was about to go on to do Album of
the Year, and I was rooting for you, and I
said publicly I wanted you to Album of the Year.
You didn't win, which sucked, but I wanted you to win,
and so I opened I looked at the card ahead
of time. Yeah, and I saw that it was Miranda
who won, and I went over to Mary and told her,
so if she wanted to tell you, so, you wouldn't
be like, let did she tell you or did you
see it live?

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
I saw live? I mean, because you know the ward
show stuff. I'm I'm as competitive. I'm I'm I don't
know anyone more competitive than me. I'm really really competitive.
But and there's times I've lived and died by the
award shows. And I'm in a place now where I
really I love being nominated. It's awesome. Winning would be nice,
but I'm minute to win much bigger back for you,

(01:15:22):
Like I wanted you to be honest, man, I'm like, yeah,
I like, once I can thank people like you have played,
you played, I don't you know you played songs and
give them a chance to get things. God's going I
want to think, Mary, I want to thank my wife,
but man, I just want to I want to beyond
all that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
You're gonna do all that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
You get the trophy, that's great, but winning in you
can't just win. And when you have I'm winning. I
feel like winning life. Man, I have like I get
to go do that and that's great, and I win
Album of the Year. But when the show's over, I
get to go back to, like this great band, I
gotta play music.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
That's my mantra. Is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
I'm just telling you. I was like Life, I was
sad he didn't win, and I was like, this is
this is just boy looking at a boy And I was, yeah, Mary,
if you want to tell him, I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
I don't want to, like on TV, like be like
if your album's out the same year Morana's out, you
just you know you're not gonna get it. That's the way.
That's the way it goes. And this deserves deservedly. So
she makes great Records. Got a great voice, she's a
great friend and I'm happy for she.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
And it was a double album. As an art piece,
it was a fantastic art piece. I'm just saying for you.
I looked. I wanted to see it that. I went
and told Mary, your manager. I was like, he didn't win,
so if you want to tell him, just so, she's
used to not winning.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
My sister calls me the Susan Lucie of country music,
so hey, better be that than nothing else. But I
I'm I'm so appreciative of every worship.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
No nomine for him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Say this in all honesty, but I would tell any
younger writers out there, do not make that your goal.
Do not look at Kenny. He never want anything till
like he was already playing stadiums. Lutism win a whole
lot of stuff. Uh, he didn't start winn until he's
already playing stadiums. I do not focus on winning a
piece of hard ware. It's so silly, and it's a
lot of it's voted on. As you know, I'm not
going to tell the listeners, you know, just enjoy your stake.

(01:17:03):
You don't want to see how it's made. It's it's
not a free process. That stuff gets on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
It's really not, and it's not the true.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Judge of Like what is good is your audience When
you go out there and they stand front the microphone
and they sing songs back to you. That's what any
younger artis should be focused on. And that's what I
focus on. There's times in the middle of my career
where I didn't and I got frustrated. But I man,
I don't, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
It's article just popped out my notifications. It's the best
one hundred choruses of all time, like hooks of songs,
Ross Kopperman. No, it's not even country songs like if
I say Ashley Simpson Pieces of Me, you remember the
chorus that song? No, Yeah, I mean, and I don't.
I'm just looking through some of this list.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I mean I can sing all like the Muana soundtrack,
I have kids, all that tuff, I know. I mean,
I can sing yeah, I want to get here and
see the top of these real quick well them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
I can sing uh, here we go, all right, here
we go talk ten you ready, Miley talks Wrecking Ball
that everybody knows that they came in like a rick
heard your voice Ride with me? You know that one?
If you want to come and take a ride with me?
Nelly Nelly, Yeah, Florida Georgia line. What are you about
to say?

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Flow Rider?

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Oh? Flow rider? R Kelly Ignition REMI, I don't know.
I'm not trying to be a song like on Me
or something. He has a he has a whole video. Okay, yeah,
has a whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
I mean you un saying I'm like the wrong I
listened to like Flattened Scrugs. I'm like, I don't know
anything about they say teenage Dream. Uh yeah, I know
the song is give Me a Little Piece.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
This is tough for me dream. That's it. Yeah, I
wouldn't like how about Empire, State of Mine the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Whole jay Z Yeah, his whole thing is so good.
That one about ambience ambient in New.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
York Concrete Jule, We're in the top five. Then you
can't this when you're get I bet Jimmy World the medal. Oh,
you don't get to it just takes Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
You do that, then you do that in your show.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Uh we part of it. Yeah, we did parts of
all kinds of times. I am like, I'm honestly this
is not out Cosmus Jackson. No, I'm sorry, miss Jackson,
who in for real never meant to make your mama.
You know that one. Oh my gosh, no, I know
Rose Old Kentucky and and uh you know, no Skinner
Blues killing mister Bright's side because I missed you do love.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
I love the Killers, guys. No, but I saw them
play when they play the like the Great Thing, but
live in Nashville. You see like even come through the Rhyman,
and I saw them play the Ryman and they're still
on their way up. It was it was awesome man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Number two since you've been gone, Kelly Clarkson, since you
been gone, and number one is Carl red Jepson called
me maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
My son's favorite song. I know, oh, I know, the
whole song is my son Knox's three. I mean, maybe
we listen, they'll call me maybe, like still ten times
in the car we just got into it. Hey, I
just met you. This is crazy, but here's my number,
so call me maybe. And all the other boys try

(01:20:05):
to chase me, but here's my number. Call me maybe.
And before you came into my life, I was so bad.
You should know that. I mean, I know the whole thing, man,
But it's embarrassing. My son loves that song. I think
it must have you know what it was in the
movie Sing. That's the reason why I know there's a
TV show a movie called Singing. Well, it's like American

(01:20:26):
for cartoons.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
It's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
And oh my gosh, Matthew McConaughey, go back to your
original thing about people you text and text you back,
Matthew McConaughey. So I did a thing for him called
matt Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
And Mac's in Austin, Austin Mac Brown. Matthew McConaughey.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yes, and I'm so glad this happened because I can
tell you the story.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
So anyway, and he like, uh, you know, it's really hard.
It couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
As the schedules are working out, well, he all three
of them like called me and text me one day,
and Matthew McConaughey like called me, like, WHOA Kanye just
called me. This is crazy. He's texted me. I decided
to do it, text a little bit leading up to it. Well,
then afterwards I hadn't you know, I watched the movie Sing.
You know, he used the voice for them to make characters,
and I was like, should put this up? Bravo. I'm

(01:21:11):
singing so good, Bravo, Bravo, an idiot, Bravo. I don't
think it's even of this phone is the new film
and like, just yeah, nothing came back on that one.
Oh no, no, I haven't heard from that one. I
think I think I used my one chance up with
McConaughey and this nothing. He's not texting back in stupid
comfort singer.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
All right there, we got sorry over it's over here.
We talked about hour and time just flies by. It
was really fun. Man, Thanks, I appreciate you coming.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Thanks a good thing. Uh, you know people listen to
these for weeks and months and always right now blacks
a single. Yes, you know these podcasts are definitely not
time since itive the crazy thing about it again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
But I talk lifestyles, talking about food nutrition.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Which whatever you want to think about. The dere is
like I want to do a b Yeah, I'm like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Don't talk about yeah, life hacking and how we can
keep it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
He brought me a book, yeah, the Toll and I
have read the tim first book and it's like it
looks like if you were to stack three bibles on
top of each other.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
It's not threeteens of grinders like yourself. Man, note in
there for you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
You did put a note in there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Yes, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
All right, episode what's that? Episode fifty four? Derek's good
to see you, and now I'll probably see you a
couple of I'll see Friday night. Yeah, I'm looking out
all right, come on, I think I've been to your
shows more than anybody else's. Like, really, I've been to
more of your shows than anybody in town. Period.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Well, yeah, it starts some way back in DC. I
think it's the first big one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Yeah, oh yeah. I came out like, but I think
I'm saying seven of.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Your shows, I've been the the biggest one, bashebor, which
I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
That's big night. That's a big night. That was That
was a crazy that was like everybody was like, okay,
he's that was your moment into that you're now in
the eight wherever you want to say it is that
that was your night where you kind of jump up sometimes.
All right, whatever you want to say. All right, Derek Spinley,
thank you, and thanks to Blue apron Hund for flowers.
And we'll see you guys next time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.