In this week's Bonus episode of Get Real with Caroline Hobby, Caroline Jones and Caroline draw from the deck of Burning Questions cards! The questions include: What is something you hate that everyone else loves? What's your worst habit? What's the closest you've ever come to being arrested? They also talk about healthy eating, learning to say no and Caroline J. shares a hilarious story about a recent citation she got.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
At Carrol n she's a queen and talking, so she's
getting really not.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Afraid to fail this episode.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Soul, just let it flow.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No one can do we quiet car Lone is sound
for Caroline.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
I am so thrilled to be back with Caroline Jones.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
She's incredible.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
If y'all heard the podcast on Monday, I know you
just are blown away by her life. Your life is
so phenomenal, it's so divinely inspired, and your son your
story is so crazy, like the things that are happening
in your life, like the way you met your husband,
who's a sailor who raced around the world and y'all
fell in love in New Zealand, and being in Zach
(00:55):
Brown's band, and having Jimmy Buffett as your mentor, and
all all these phenomenal things. You entering motherhood. It's just like,
all these things that have happened in your life are
so huge and they're so incredible and you could have
never like written it out them you could have orchestrated it. Yeah,
and I love that because you have been so focused,
(01:16):
You're so dedicated. You're such an incredible musician artist, You're
an artist in your own right. You have incredible music
that you put out. You put on an album last
year called a Home Site, and you're so You're just
so dedicated to your passion and your talent. But the
way your life has unfolded is just such a beautiful story.
And you have such a beautiful, soulful driven spirit that
(01:38):
I feel like is so connected to honoring what you
know you came here to do.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Thank you so much. That means so much.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
It's true though, and because of that, you've just you're
in the presence of greatness all the time, Like your
mentors are the great Lucky and your husband is great
the way his mentality is great like you are. You
are attracted to people who are dedicated to their greatness
because you are. And your story is amazing and I
can't wait to keep seeing where your story goes. Thank you.
(02:06):
You're back on tour Zach Brown with a baby, which
will be so fun to hear.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
How that goes.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
So y'all. If y'all did not check out the podcast
on Monday, it was like an hour and fifteen twenty minutes,
maybe longer because I could not wrap it up because
there's so much.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
To talk about.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
We talk so much longer if I was just scratching.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But now we're back with some burning questions. Are you ready?
I am Caroline.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Do people call you Carolyn?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It's so on why.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'm like, do you not know that any I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It doesn't make sense. I'm like, like, even when they
see how it's spelled and they're like, is it Caroline
or Caroline, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
The word line is actually in the name.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I really don't understand that either.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
But it's okay. I always say, oh, just Caroline. It
doesn't bother me.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I just can't understand. Like, if you're reading anyway, do.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
You love that you love the name Caroline?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I do?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I love I love the name.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I actually love my name. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I'm just adding on my husband's last name because my
whole name was.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Really good Caroline John. Drop it your middle.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Caroline Dorothy Jones, which I really like Dorothy too, so
I didn't want to drop that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
That's such a classic name. I know where did that
come from?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
My paternal grandmother's name is Dorothy.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Not the one you lived with in New York?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
No, okay, because in the podcast we're talking about her
living in New York with her grandma. Okay, so Caroline
Dorothy Jones Dana, would you like to draw a bird?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I would love him?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Okay, let me do this, Okay, let's see what it says.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What is something you hate that everyone else loves?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I feel like I have a lot because I'm kind
of odd. It's something that I hate that everyone else loves.
I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Like a question, and I know it's hard. What's yours?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Something that I hate that everyone else loves?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Social media? I feel like mine would be a food.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Maybe there's a food that I hate that everyone else loves.
I mean, I'm a super healthy eater, so like everyone
loves junk food, I just won't eat it. It's not
that I don't. It's not that I hate it, I
just won't. I would say probably that that I'm very,
very very health conscious with what I.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
You're just like dedicated when you decide something's not the way.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I know. I'm super intense.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I know I'm lucky about you like junk food?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Maybe junk food, okay, because I genuinely I don't like
junk food.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
What do you like to eat?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I love food, though I'm like What do you eat?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Do you cook?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
My gosh, yes, I kind of have to cook if
your health, you do, and you have to plan ahead
or you have to get like a meal delivery service
or go grocery shopping in the.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Hello, in the town that you're in or whatever. I
have a lot of hacks.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
What do you like to eat?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh, my gosh, I love food. I love.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
My favorite meal is probably like roast chicken and potatoes
with lemon.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Or sweet potatoes.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I love.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
What's your snack if you have to do a quick snack,
what are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
If you're right now, I'm doing a lot of beef turkey,
like just protein, protein protein.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
She's laughing at me.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
But also there's these sweet potato chips at Whole Foods
that are so good they're called Jackson's Honest and they're amazing.
So that's a good snack too. Or guawk I love guawk.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I wish you would like put your food stuff on
your social media?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I know, I've actually kind of thought about that. I
have it down.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I have healthy food down so well.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
If anyone needs help.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I do be somewhere I do where there's not healthy
food available and getting it like I'm so I'm a
pro pick me, Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I don't know how to eat.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I I literally, oh my gosh, I can help you.
I'm a terrible cook, Like dinner comes around.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I love cooking.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Last night, Michael's like at seven o'clock, He's like, do
we have any ideas for dinner? And I'm like, no,
not one idea. But it's seven o'clock. I'm like, not
even a no.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I can help you. I can't, I really can't.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I love food, but I but I eat super healthy,
so I would say probably junk food.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Okay, let's let's talk about that later.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
And then everyone listening is asking for you to please
put this link on.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It because I also have so much many healthy dessert
recipes that are just like sweetened with dates or bananas
or sweet potatoes or whatever, like kiding vegetables in my
brownies and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
You owe it to the people to write a cookbook.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I actually I don't need to write a cookbook, but
I do know I could help.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I could help. You should have because.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Even like I remember meeting my husband and being like,
would you like a gluten free, sugar free, dairy free
brownie and he's like no, and then now he is
like so he like tries to convert people to our
way of eating because he's like, I feel so good
and I don't miss anything, like I still have dessert,
I still have all the good things.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
And it takes so much like research. This is where
it does.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
What I've been since I was young because I used
to have like hormonal issues.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's what got me on the health train.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
So i've and then when I went to college in
New York, I was obsessed with a farmer's market. So like,
I've been on this train for a long time.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
But this is what I love about you. When you're
all in with something, You're.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
All yeah, in no, it's too much.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
No, it's not it's really good.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
My husband would argue I being Oh.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I think he's probably the same way in a lot
of ways.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
He's not. No one's extreme as I. Well, he's normal.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
He I always call him he's relatively normal.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
I mean, well he does race it a sailboat around
the world. That's not totally normal, right, I mean, I
got it. I need you for I think y'all are
extreme in the best way together.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Okay, okay, what's my worst habit M probably having, like
probably either dilly dallying or.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Having split energy.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Like that's something I'm really trying to work on, is
making decisions and and just.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Going with it.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Like I find that and especially having a baby, for example,
like if I want to go work out or something,
I don't want to go work out and be thinking
about should I be with my baby the whole time,
Like I don't want him to grow up seeing a
mom that constantly has split energy of like I should
should I be doing this? Or should I be doing that?
(08:01):
Like I'm doing this, but maybe I should be doing
that a little bit of this, Like I feel like
so many of us do that, and we have guilt
in this. I So I'm working on trying to just
make a decision, do something, spend the time, be present
in it, and then go to the next thing. And
when I'm one place, not thinking should I be somewhere else?
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It's great?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, I give yourself some grace in the first beginning.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Oh yeah, definitely, because it's like the overwhelming feelings and
the not wanting to do anything but be with your
baby or feel guilty is so real.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Then feeling guilty when you're with your baby of like
should I be I have to do this, this and
this and this and this, so like really being present
in whatever you're doing. But you're right, absolutely because you do.
It's literally biologically in us to only think of the
baby at this point, right, I know, I'm part of
the chemicals of your brain.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
It is.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, I'm at the point now where I'm like, Okay,
everything I do it's either to better me so then
I can be a better mom, or to better Sonny
or to better my relation are fainly really shit, but
it's all it's all symbiotic and lets you know what
your nose are because like, if it's not gonna better me, Michael,
Sonny or our family, it's a no. Like it's a
(09:11):
hard no. So it's like there's no extra things. You know,
probably the only things you're dealing with are like your career,
your failing.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And with that prioritization, like that comes with the maturity
of being mot because even even this early on in motherhood,
I'm also like, by extension of this like split energy thing,
I'm also trying to work on being more honest with
saying no or saying yes or whatever, like we're so
used to like little white lies of like oh I
can't do it because I have this thing or this
(09:40):
thing or this thing, Like I mean, you're gonna have
to give a reason yes, And I'm really trying to
discipline myself to say like it just feels too rushed
for me, or I can't do it because or just no,
I don't feel like do you know what I'm saying.
Isn't it funny that we have to come up with
like a reason and an excuse as opposed to like
it's just not the right thing.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Even if you're and you feel like it's on you,
you feel like you.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Have to come up with an excuse for it to
be not your decision, like some other thing came in
the way, rather than like I'm choosing not to do this.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
We feel guilty to say, isn't that interesting?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
And whether it's just I've been.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Thinking about that with the split energy thing, like if
I go decide to do something, then I don't want
to spend the whole time feeling guilty or feeling like, oh, well,
I actually had to do it because X, Y and Z,
like no, I want I chose to do that, you know,
and I that's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
And it's also it's like even if you don't have
a reason why you don't want to do something, it's like, oh,
I don't have a reason I could do it, but
like maybe your reason is you just want to lay
on the floor with your baby, yeah, and for hours
and be present with him and not do something even
though you could, right, you know, it's like you don't
have you don't have to have any grand thing that
you're doing to say no to.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Something you know you don't I that's that quote.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
No is a complete sentence, like just no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But that's so hard.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You have to be like, no, thank you because this thing,
because this.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Is what I love it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Maybe we should do this, and can I come back
around and then I like over vomit and try to
like circle back around and then to make a mess.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
So I'm trying to actually discipline myself that way.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Oh, You're gonna sail it. When you start disciplining your.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, do you have to like really grow some balls.
Like it takes courage, you know, because you have to
be able to like sit with the space between like
this is the choice and making in the other person
potentially feeling.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You don't know how they're gonna feel.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
About it, and you just have to let it be.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, but you can do it in a super respectful
and nice way. It's not that, it's just it's you
just can't be a weasel. You have to be like
a little more courageous, you know.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
And also though if you say yes to something when
you mean no, you're actually doing a disservice to that
other person because you're not being genuine you know, you
don't really want to do it, you're feeling and doing
it out of guilt. So it's like if you're not so,
then when you do, if you do, learn how to
say no like you're saying, it's like then when you
actually say yes, it's a full bodied yes, it's a
full soul yes. It's actually like for the good of you,
(12:06):
you're showing up with your full existence, whether than doing
it out of like I have.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
To do it, I know, I know because so many
of us live our hole.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Like imagine if you just got rid of all of that,
like there would be we would be doing so much less.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Like for the bettering.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yes, Okay, let's do one more okay Frey question.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
With Carol I know, you choose that, you choose my
last one.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Feel the feels.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
What's the closest you've ever come to being arrested?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Oh my god, guys, I'm such a loser. What.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, yesterday I got a citation. Wait, this is actually bad. Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I don't know if I should say this, probably, but
you could take it and then if you think it's bad,
you can cut it out.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But yesterday I got a citation.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
At Radner because I walking at Radner, Yes, because I
in a handicapped spot.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Did you know its handicap Yes, Caroline, I din't know.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
But there was no parking and I was meeting someone
and I was like, a newborn baby has to be
a handy cap. So I barked I knew newborn baby
and because I was taking him on my it was
so bad. And then the man came. The man found
me and he's like, how long have you been parking here?
And I was like an hour and a half. And
he was like, that's just a blatant and I was like,
(13:19):
but I have a baby.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And he's like that, You're like, but I'm mentally physically
handicapped right now.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I was like, but he kind of is a handicap
in a way, but I don't know, maybe you can't
put that in.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Do you feel comfortable with us putting that in?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Its just do you think I'm a bad person.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You're a bad person, So that would be I mean,
I wasn't close to getting arrested. But he was like,
here's your court date, and I'm a court date. Court date,
and he's what He's like, or you can just call
this number.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I was like, Yeah, who's going to show up in court? Like,
who has that kind of time?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Wait, what are you gonna have a court date about?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I guess parking in that if I wanted to dispute
it or something.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
So he gave you a take.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
What if I went to court and I was.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Like, here's why it's a handicap.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Could tell me what it is and you have a reason.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
But I feel like in this day and age, like
anything would go because like you have to be really
politically correct, so you can't.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
They'd have to be like at least hear me out.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
But here's the thing with having a newborn baby.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
It's like a lot of times they have parking spots
that save parking spots for mothers. Or expect your mother's
next to a handicapped spot.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yes, they do, because it is way.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Way, way, way way more difficult to.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
But going on a hike, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So, like if I had to walk extra like I'm
walking anyway, like I'm going.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So I want to support you here, Carol, I know,
I know.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But when else have I almost gotten arrested?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I mean, we're gonna air that part. I don't think
you're a bad person at all. I don't pick up
dog poop. That's my big fall. I don't pick up
dog poop, and like.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, I see that. My I don't think my mom
does either. She doesn't bring the back. I feel like
that she just pretends. But the thing is.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
She pretended to.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yes, she's like, oh you turn around, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Look at birds every time. And I blatantly know I've
had a dog now for a long time that poops
in people's yards and I know she's peeping there, and
I just still don't pick.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It up because I'm like, I love where we can
admit all this. It's a flaw.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
It's a flaw, and I know that and it's wrong.
But I'm literally like, but you can't. I'll take my
karma for that. I'll take my karma for a dog poop.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But that's actually my mom.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well she wouldn't mind if I said this because I
do this too, Like, but she like will just pee outside.
I totally squat, but like she she.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Did it in people's yards.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And one time, I love your one time they caught
her on a security.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Anywhere that no one could see her. When'd you see
it in the bush? Like at this one place in
her walk?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Is she in someone's yard?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Well, she was like on someone's proper, No, because it's
like a neighborhood, you know what I.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Mean, like acre yards or is it like small yards?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
She this yard was a big yard.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So she she kinds a bush that she thinks hides
her bus.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yes, And then but people saw and like reported it.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Because that's like what is that one?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I like, that's a good one to almost get arrested
for it.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Like then you're like indecent state of public or something.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, I mean it's it can't be legal, right, You're trespassing.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
And you're showing your bottom.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
But it's really you just guys, guys pee all the
time in nature, it's just harder for us.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Know, it's not that hard though.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I mean I always be in nature, but I wouldn't
do it like in a residential neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Did you do it at Radner?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah? I've done it at Radner a bunch of times.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Because when you go in like the cove and stuff,
is that bad to admit? It's pretty like it's the
sticks back there, like nobody's going to see.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Sometimes you got to go. I mean guys, literally, so
what I'm saying for guys when I.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Was pregnant, I know you got a yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Guys though they can just you know, quietly pee and
you don't have before your pants or anything.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Women have to like do the full.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I grew up doing that. Like we were actually to
bonfire the other weekend and there was this this little
girl who was like, I have to go to the bathroom,
like mom, can you drive me back to the house?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
And I was like just what, I was like, just
squat here? She was like, oh no, I've never done
that before. And I was like, what out? You're like seven?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
How have you never peeen in the woods before?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
I taught Sonny to squat immediately to the point where
like our bathroom is like very close to our yard
and she'll just all of a sudden be pulled on
our pants.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Squat in there.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
But I'm like, let's find a bush at least, you know,
you have to find a bush, but let's find at
least something to pee behind.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
We know, I just would be were the wide open.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
I mean, that's fine too, but you know when you're little,
when you get older, you need to find a bush
unless your mom needs a bigger.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But what.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
My mom's not a big person.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
She just is not very worried about hiding street.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I appreciate that about your mom.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I feel like I'm gonna love your mom one day.
I have what's your mom saying?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Sonya?
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Sonya?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Think is awesome?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Well, Caroline, that was fun.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
I didn't I love that we had that burning question
that really went somewhere that I just loved. And I
don't think you're a bad person at all. Everybody has
their moments, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, I mean I didn't really, I didn't feel that bad.
But then I I mean, I if obviously, if there
were a handicapped person.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Then you go about it in retrospect horribly.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, but so maybe, like looking back, maybe I have.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I don't know, you have a baby.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Listen, when you have a new baby, I would say
the mental handicap is there because you're.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Having to learn how to be.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Just speaking for myself personally, I was mentally not well
for a while, not like unwell, but like your brain scrambled.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
To adjustment mentally.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
But I guess it's about physical.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
But anyway, I don't pick up dog poop. So you know,
nobody's perfect around here. So I think that it was
the roll of the dice. I could see how that
could roll.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
It wasn't my best moment, but it wasn't my.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Worst, right, and nobody's their best or their worst moments anyway, right.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I mean, listen, everybody, we're does humans over here. The
Caroline's just over here being humans. Thank you so much
for joining me, Carolina.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
You're amazing.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I can't wait to see what happens. And I'm of
you in this following year and the rest of your life.
You're just a magical little creature out there.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Oh, I can't wait till our next conversation. Thank you, Carolyn,
Thank you for coming
At Carrol n she's a queen and talking, so she's
getting really not.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Afraid to fail this episode.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Soul, just let it flow.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No one can do we quiet car Lone is sound
for Caroline.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
I am so thrilled to be back with Caroline Jones.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
She's incredible.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
If y'all heard the podcast on Monday, I know you
just are blown away by her life. Your life is
so phenomenal, it's so divinely inspired, and your son your
story is so crazy, like the things that are happening
in your life, like the way you met your husband,
who's a sailor who raced around the world and y'all
fell in love in New Zealand, and being in Zach
(00:55):
Brown's band, and having Jimmy Buffett as your mentor, and
all all these phenomenal things. You entering motherhood. It's just like,
all these things that have happened in your life are
so huge and they're so incredible and you could have
never like written it out them you could have orchestrated it. Yeah,
and I love that because you have been so focused,
(01:16):
You're so dedicated. You're such an incredible musician artist, You're
an artist in your own right. You have incredible music
that you put out. You put on an album last
year called a Home Site, and you're so You're just
so dedicated to your passion and your talent. But the
way your life has unfolded is just such a beautiful story.
And you have such a beautiful, soulful driven spirit that
(01:38):
I feel like is so connected to honoring what you
know you came here to do.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Thank you so much. That means so much.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
It's true though, and because of that, you've just you're
in the presence of greatness all the time, Like your
mentors are the great Lucky and your husband is great
the way his mentality is great like you are. You
are attracted to people who are dedicated to their greatness
because you are. And your story is amazing and I
can't wait to keep seeing where your story goes. Thank you.
(02:06):
You're back on tour Zach Brown with a baby, which
will be so fun to hear.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
How that goes.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
So y'all. If y'all did not check out the podcast
on Monday, it was like an hour and fifteen twenty minutes,
maybe longer because I could not wrap it up because
there's so much.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
To talk about.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
We talk so much longer if I was just scratching.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But now we're back with some burning questions. Are you ready?
I am Caroline.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Do people call you Carolyn?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It's so on why.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'm like, do you not know that any I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It doesn't make sense. I'm like, like, even when they
see how it's spelled and they're like, is it Caroline
or Caroline, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
The word line is actually in the name.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I really don't understand that either.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
But it's okay. I always say, oh, just Caroline. It
doesn't bother me.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I just can't understand. Like, if you're reading anyway, do.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
You love that you love the name Caroline?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I do?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I love I love the name.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I actually love my name. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I'm just adding on my husband's last name because my
whole name was.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Really good Caroline John. Drop it your middle.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Caroline Dorothy Jones, which I really like Dorothy too, so
I didn't want to drop that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
That's such a classic name. I know where did that
come from?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
My paternal grandmother's name is Dorothy.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Not the one you lived with in New York?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
No, okay, because in the podcast we're talking about her
living in New York with her grandma. Okay, so Caroline
Dorothy Jones Dana, would you like to draw a bird?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I would love him?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Okay, let me do this, Okay, let's see what it says.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What is something you hate that everyone else loves?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I feel like I have a lot because I'm kind
of odd. It's something that I hate that everyone else loves.
I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Like a question, and I know it's hard. What's yours?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Something that I hate that everyone else loves?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Social media? I feel like mine would be a food.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Maybe there's a food that I hate that everyone else loves.
I mean, I'm a super healthy eater, so like everyone
loves junk food, I just won't eat it. It's not
that I don't. It's not that I hate it, I
just won't. I would say probably that that I'm very,
very very health conscious with what I.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
You're just like dedicated when you decide something's not the way.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I know. I'm super intense.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I know I'm lucky about you like junk food?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Maybe junk food, okay, because I genuinely I don't like
junk food.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
What do you like to eat?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I love food, though I'm like What do you eat?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Do you cook?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
My gosh, yes, I kind of have to cook if
your health, you do, and you have to plan ahead
or you have to get like a meal delivery service
or go grocery shopping in the.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Hello, in the town that you're in or whatever. I
have a lot of hacks.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
What do you like to eat?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh, my gosh, I love food. I love.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
My favorite meal is probably like roast chicken and potatoes
with lemon.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Or sweet potatoes.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I love.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
What's your snack if you have to do a quick snack,
what are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
If you're right now, I'm doing a lot of beef turkey,
like just protein, protein protein.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
She's laughing at me.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
But also there's these sweet potato chips at Whole Foods
that are so good they're called Jackson's Honest and they're amazing.
So that's a good snack too. Or guawk I love guawk.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I wish you would like put your food stuff on
your social media?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I know, I've actually kind of thought about that. I
have it down.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I have healthy food down so well.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
If anyone needs help.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I do be somewhere I do where there's not healthy
food available and getting it like I'm so I'm a
pro pick me, Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I don't know how to eat.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I I literally, oh my gosh, I can help you.
I'm a terrible cook, Like dinner comes around.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I love cooking.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Last night, Michael's like at seven o'clock, He's like, do
we have any ideas for dinner? And I'm like, no,
not one idea. But it's seven o'clock. I'm like, not
even a no.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I can help you. I can't, I really can't.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I love food, but I but I eat super healthy,
so I would say probably junk food.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Okay, let's let's talk about that later.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
And then everyone listening is asking for you to please
put this link on.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It because I also have so much many healthy dessert
recipes that are just like sweetened with dates or bananas
or sweet potatoes or whatever, like kiding vegetables in my
brownies and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
You owe it to the people to write a cookbook.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I actually I don't need to write a cookbook, but
I do know I could help.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I could help. You should have because.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Even like I remember meeting my husband and being like,
would you like a gluten free, sugar free, dairy free
brownie and he's like no, and then now he is
like so he like tries to convert people to our
way of eating because he's like, I feel so good
and I don't miss anything, like I still have dessert,
I still have all the good things.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
And it takes so much like research. This is where
it does.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
What I've been since I was young because I used
to have like hormonal issues.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's what got me on the health train.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
So i've and then when I went to college in
New York, I was obsessed with a farmer's market. So like,
I've been on this train for a long time.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
But this is what I love about you. When you're
all in with something, You're.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
All yeah, in no, it's too much.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
No, it's not it's really good.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
My husband would argue I being Oh.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I think he's probably the same way in a lot
of ways.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
He's not. No one's extreme as I. Well, he's normal.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
He I always call him he's relatively normal.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
I mean, well he does race it a sailboat around
the world. That's not totally normal, right, I mean, I
got it. I need you for I think y'all are
extreme in the best way together.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Okay, okay, what's my worst habit M probably having, like
probably either dilly dallying or.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Having split energy.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Like that's something I'm really trying to work on, is
making decisions and and just.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Going with it.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Like I find that and especially having a baby, for example,
like if I want to go work out or something,
I don't want to go work out and be thinking
about should I be with my baby the whole time,
Like I don't want him to grow up seeing a
mom that constantly has split energy of like I should
should I be doing this? Or should I be doing that?
(08:01):
Like I'm doing this, but maybe I should be doing
that a little bit of this, Like I feel like
so many of us do that, and we have guilt
in this. I So I'm working on trying to just
make a decision, do something, spend the time, be present
in it, and then go to the next thing. And
when I'm one place, not thinking should I be somewhere else?
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It's great?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, I give yourself some grace in the first beginning.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Oh yeah, definitely, because it's like the overwhelming feelings and
the not wanting to do anything but be with your
baby or feel guilty is so real.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Then feeling guilty when you're with your baby of like
should I be I have to do this, this and
this and this and this, so like really being present
in whatever you're doing. But you're right, absolutely because you do.
It's literally biologically in us to only think of the
baby at this point, right, I know, I'm part of
the chemicals of your brain.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
It is.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, I'm at the point now where I'm like, Okay,
everything I do it's either to better me so then
I can be a better mom, or to better Sonny
or to better my relation are fainly really shit, but
it's all it's all symbiotic and lets you know what
your nose are because like, if it's not gonna better me, Michael,
Sonny or our family, it's a no. Like it's a
(09:11):
hard no. So it's like there's no extra things. You know,
probably the only things you're dealing with are like your career,
your failing.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And with that prioritization, like that comes with the maturity
of being mot because even even this early on in motherhood,
I'm also like, by extension of this like split energy thing,
I'm also trying to work on being more honest with
saying no or saying yes or whatever, like we're so
used to like little white lies of like oh I
can't do it because I have this thing or this
(09:40):
thing or this thing, Like I mean, you're gonna have
to give a reason yes, And I'm really trying to
discipline myself to say like it just feels too rushed
for me, or I can't do it because or just no,
I don't feel like do you know what I'm saying.
Isn't it funny that we have to come up with
like a reason and an excuse as opposed to like
it's just not the right thing.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Even if you're and you feel like it's on you,
you feel like you.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Have to come up with an excuse for it to
be not your decision, like some other thing came in
the way, rather than like I'm choosing not to do this.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
We feel guilty to say, isn't that interesting?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
And whether it's just I've been.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Thinking about that with the split energy thing, like if
I go decide to do something, then I don't want
to spend the whole time feeling guilty or feeling like, oh, well,
I actually had to do it because X, Y and Z,
like no, I want I chose to do that, you know,
and I that's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
And it's also it's like even if you don't have
a reason why you don't want to do something, it's like, oh,
I don't have a reason I could do it, but
like maybe your reason is you just want to lay
on the floor with your baby, yeah, and for hours
and be present with him and not do something even
though you could, right, you know, it's like you don't
have you don't have to have any grand thing that
you're doing to say no to.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Something you know you don't I that's that quote.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
No is a complete sentence, like just no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But that's so hard.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You have to be like, no, thank you because this thing,
because this.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Is what I love it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Maybe we should do this, and can I come back
around and then I like over vomit and try to
like circle back around and then to make a mess.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
So I'm trying to actually discipline myself that way.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Oh, You're gonna sail it. When you start disciplining your.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, do you have to like really grow some balls.
Like it takes courage, you know, because you have to
be able to like sit with the space between like
this is the choice and making in the other person
potentially feeling.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You don't know how they're gonna feel.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
About it, and you just have to let it be.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, but you can do it in a super respectful
and nice way. It's not that, it's just it's you
just can't be a weasel. You have to be like
a little more courageous, you know.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
And also though if you say yes to something when
you mean no, you're actually doing a disservice to that
other person because you're not being genuine you know, you
don't really want to do it, you're feeling and doing
it out of guilt. So it's like if you're not so,
then when you do, if you do, learn how to
say no like you're saying, it's like then when you
actually say yes, it's a full bodied yes, it's a
full soul yes. It's actually like for the good of you,
(12:06):
you're showing up with your full existence, whether than doing
it out of like I have.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
To do it, I know, I know because so many
of us live our hole.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Like imagine if you just got rid of all of that,
like there would be we would be doing so much less.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Like for the bettering.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yes, Okay, let's do one more okay Frey question.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
With Carol I know, you choose that, you choose my
last one.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Feel the feels.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
What's the closest you've ever come to being arrested?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Oh my god, guys, I'm such a loser. What.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, yesterday I got a citation. Wait, this is actually bad. Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I don't know if I should say this, probably, but
you could take it and then if you think it's bad,
you can cut it out.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But yesterday I got a citation.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
At Radner because I walking at Radner, Yes, because I
in a handicapped spot.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Did you know its handicap Yes, Caroline, I din't know.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
But there was no parking and I was meeting someone
and I was like, a newborn baby has to be
a handy cap. So I barked I knew newborn baby
and because I was taking him on my it was
so bad. And then the man came. The man found
me and he's like, how long have you been parking here?
And I was like an hour and a half. And
he was like, that's just a blatant and I was like,
(13:19):
but I have a baby.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And he's like that, You're like, but I'm mentally physically
handicapped right now.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I was like, but he kind of is a handicap
in a way, but I don't know, maybe you can't
put that in.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Do you feel comfortable with us putting that in?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Its just do you think I'm a bad person.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You're a bad person, So that would be I mean,
I wasn't close to getting arrested. But he was like,
here's your court date, and I'm a court date. Court date,
and he's what He's like, or you can just call
this number.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I was like, Yeah, who's going to show up in court? Like,
who has that kind of time?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Wait, what are you gonna have a court date about?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I guess parking in that if I wanted to dispute
it or something.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
So he gave you a take.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
What if I went to court and I was.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Like, here's why it's a handicap.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Could tell me what it is and you have a reason.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
But I feel like in this day and age, like
anything would go because like you have to be really
politically correct, so you can't.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
They'd have to be like at least hear me out.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
But here's the thing with having a newborn baby.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
It's like a lot of times they have parking spots
that save parking spots for mothers. Or expect your mother's
next to a handicapped spot.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yes, they do, because it is way.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Way, way, way way more difficult to.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
But going on a hike, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So, like if I had to walk extra like I'm
walking anyway, like I'm going.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So I want to support you here, Carol, I know,
I know.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But when else have I almost gotten arrested?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I mean, we're gonna air that part. I don't think
you're a bad person at all. I don't pick up
dog poop. That's my big fall. I don't pick up
dog poop, and like.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, I see that. My I don't think my mom
does either. She doesn't bring the back. I feel like
that she just pretends. But the thing is.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
She pretended to.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yes, she's like, oh you turn around, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Look at birds every time. And I blatantly know I've
had a dog now for a long time that poops
in people's yards and I know she's peeping there, and
I just still don't pick.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It up because I'm like, I love where we can
admit all this. It's a flaw.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
It's a flaw, and I know that and it's wrong.
But I'm literally like, but you can't. I'll take my
karma for that. I'll take my karma for a dog poop.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But that's actually my mom.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well she wouldn't mind if I said this because I
do this too, Like, but she like will just pee outside.
I totally squat, but like she she.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Did it in people's yards.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And one time, I love your one time they caught
her on a security.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Anywhere that no one could see her. When'd you see
it in the bush? Like at this one place in
her walk?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Is she in someone's yard?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Well, she was like on someone's proper, No, because it's
like a neighborhood, you know what I.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Mean, like acre yards or is it like small yards?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
She this yard was a big yard.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So she she kinds a bush that she thinks hides
her bus.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yes, And then but people saw and like reported it.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Because that's like what is that one?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I like, that's a good one to almost get arrested
for it.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Like then you're like indecent state of public or something.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, I mean it's it can't be legal, right, You're trespassing.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
And you're showing your bottom.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
But it's really you just guys, guys pee all the
time in nature, it's just harder for us.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Know, it's not that hard though.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I mean I always be in nature, but I wouldn't
do it like in a residential neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Did you do it at Radner?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah? I've done it at Radner a bunch of times.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Because when you go in like the cove and stuff,
is that bad to admit? It's pretty like it's the
sticks back there, like nobody's going to see.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Sometimes you got to go. I mean guys, literally, so
what I'm saying for guys when I.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Was pregnant, I know you got a yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Guys though they can just you know, quietly pee and
you don't have before your pants or anything.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Women have to like do the full.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I grew up doing that. Like we were actually to
bonfire the other weekend and there was this this little
girl who was like, I have to go to the bathroom,
like mom, can you drive me back to the house?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
And I was like just what, I was like, just
squat here? She was like, oh no, I've never done
that before. And I was like, what out? You're like seven?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
How have you never peeen in the woods before?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
I taught Sonny to squat immediately to the point where
like our bathroom is like very close to our yard
and she'll just all of a sudden be pulled on
our pants.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Squat in there.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
But I'm like, let's find a bush at least, you know,
you have to find a bush, but let's find at
least something to pee behind.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
We know, I just would be were the wide open.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
I mean, that's fine too, but you know when you're little,
when you get older, you need to find a bush
unless your mom needs a bigger.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But what.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
My mom's not a big person.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
She just is not very worried about hiding street.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I appreciate that about your mom.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I feel like I'm gonna love your mom one day.
I have what's your mom saying?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Sonya?
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Sonya?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Think is awesome?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Well, Caroline, that was fun.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
I didn't I love that we had that burning question
that really went somewhere that I just loved. And I
don't think you're a bad person at all. Everybody has
their moments, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, I mean I didn't really, I didn't feel that bad.
But then I I mean, I if obviously, if there
were a handicapped person.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Then you go about it in retrospect horribly.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, but so maybe, like looking back, maybe I have.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I don't know, you have a baby.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Listen, when you have a new baby, I would say
the mental handicap is there because you're.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Having to learn how to be.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Just speaking for myself personally, I was mentally not well
for a while, not like unwell, but like your brain scrambled.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
To adjustment mentally.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
But I guess it's about physical.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
But anyway, I don't pick up dog poop. So you know,
nobody's perfect around here. So I think that it was
the roll of the dice. I could see how that
could roll.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
It wasn't my best moment, but it wasn't my.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Worst, right, and nobody's their best or their worst moments anyway, right.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I mean, listen, everybody, we're does humans over here. The
Caroline's just over here being humans. Thank you so much
for joining me, Carolina.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
You're amazing.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I can't wait to see what happens. And I'm of
you in this following year and the rest of your life.
You're just a magical little creature out there.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Oh, I can't wait till our next conversation. Thank you, Carolyn,
Thank you for coming
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