April 21, 2025 • 47 mins
From capturing hearts on American Idol with her now ex-husband to stepping boldly into her own spotlight, Cuban-American artist Kat Luna is telling her story—this time, solo. Her debut EP That Girl is a fearless dive into young love, heartbreak, and self-discovery. With Spanglish flair and emotional depth, Kat explores the highs of first love, the weight of early commitment, and the freedom of finding your own voice. Signed to Sony and stronger than ever, she’s not just the girl from the duo—she’s that girl now.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Carl Line, she's a queen and talking to you a song.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You know, she's getting really not.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Afraid to feel so, so just let her flow. No
one can do were quiet, Cary Line, it's time for Caroline. Well,
I'm here with the Vision May Walk of shows and
stuff because she looks like she needs to be on
stage and TV.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
She's perfect, she needs to be on stage a red
hot chili pepper shirt on. I'm like, okay, she's so cute.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
She's mesmerized by like singers, and anyone who does.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Play will be one when she grows up.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I think she has run on stage a few times?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Is that a bad thing? You know?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I think do you think you're either born with it
or not? I think you're definitely like it, don't.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I don't know if you're born with it or not.
I think you like it or you don't.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, you either like want to be on the stage
and want to be in front of people, or you absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Or you're like, okay, get me ever to the nearest
exit exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, I really, I really think it's one of the
other m M. But then you have those tortured musicians
and actors who like hate this, who hate being in
front of people and all the things. But they're just so.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Great at acting or great on the stage. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Do you think all musicians and artists are tortured?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Do you feel tortured? So you said you're an open book.
I just want to get straight to.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No, I mean get straight to it. I don't. I
wouldn't say tortured. I would say I My job challenges
me in growing in ways that I never thought I would.
So let's give an example. Meeting new people or being
in big crowds people that I don't know. I'm very interpreted.
I'm like, oh, I don't. I don't want to. If
I know people there, then I'm like, oh, hey guys,
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and I can get comfortable. But if it's just let's
say we're going to an I'm looking at just hey girl,
hey Rachel going to an.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Event, and I'm putting them because you're so perfect, I
just want.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
No, it's fine. She loves telling us what the weather is,
and today I guess it's colder than normal, so she's like, hey,
it's cold.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I'm over here in my workout clothes and you're over
in a vision and you're so perfect. I'm like I'm
just gonna get your fly away hair because you literally.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Are just it took all day to get looking like this.
Let me tell you did my hair if you would
have seen me like two hours ago. Was so I
have naturally really curly hair, I believe it or not.
I'm Cuban American, so the Cuban really, the hairs, all
the things. I was facing out with my friend and
she was just telling me the tea of the week,
and yeah, it's all good tea.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But it was like, fun, do you do that, like
check in and like just unload.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
She's my childhood best friend.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
D'all unload your weeks?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Absolutely, that's how you get it out.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
We talk every single day.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Is that do you feel like I mean we're talking
about therapy and store trauma and stuff earlier. Yeah, and
it's like, do you feel like I feel like you've
got a process. Is that how you process?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah? I talked to her and my boyfriend Mark, like
they're like, my I have my actual therapist, my boy
friend Mark.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
You said we are considering moving somewhere. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I we're taling. I'm not going to say we're moving though,
but yes, I was like we we're still gonna be
in Nashville, but yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
We have come out of a huge lifelong relationship divorce
in like, uh, musical relationship.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yes, so we have moved.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
On and I've totally scattered us. You were talking about
something else before.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I don't even remember what I was talking about. Oh gosh,
oh wait, what were we talking about? Wait? No, I know,
hold on trauma, tortured artist, torture, dartst Yes. So I
think I love my job because it challenges and me
in ways that I wouldn't have done if it wasn't
for the job that I have. So I wouldn't say tortured.
I'd say it's hard sometimes, but I'm blessed. I wouldn't
do anything else, Like I couldn't imagine myself doing anything else.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So when you walk into a room of people that
you don't know, what are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Anxiety dot com? But I'm like, you know what, at
the end of the day, these are new friends that
I can make.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
But what is the anxiety? Like, what are the thoughts?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I don't even know if there's thoughts. I just my body.
I'm just like, oh my god, Uh, all these people
I don't know like.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Do you feel like you have to talk to them all?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yes? You do. Yeah, you feel like you feel like
I have to make everybody comfortable around me and like
be friends with everyone.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Okay, are you a people pleaser?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Do you me too? Do you come from some big personalities?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Were you the one that was making everyone happy?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yes? Fun. I'm the oldest too, so.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, the oldest. I feel like sometimes it's a tone
and it's not the people pleaser.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So I'm the oldest in a Latin household, I'm the oldest.
I'm the daughter, and then there's a brother. He's a
younger one, so they baby the boys and the girls.
The one that's like has to like they expect her
to be like the best and like excel and has
to have everything together.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And yeah, so has that given you a complex that
you have to be perfect to everything?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yes, But through therapy and through just living my life
not being twenty five, I'm like, I'm perfectly imperfect and
I'm Cat and that's the people that are going to
be around me that love me for me are gonna
love me for being cat. And if they don't love me,
then I'm not gonna change. I'm cat if I'm changing,
it's for growing to be a better person, not anything else.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So do you think that's like in general? You said
in your culture, that's how it is. Like the oldest
or the oldest.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Boys or baby the girls are expected to excel and
be the best.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I don't know, To be honest, I guess there's.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Strong Latin women.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, and we are we all like every I mean,
I mean to like grow up in that kind of
environment you have, it's like killer be killed.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Really, so what is it like growing up as the oldest.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
My parents had me very young, so they did the
best that they could, and I really do love them
so much, but it was definitely like the I was
the experiment. Yeah, and being the oldest, I don't know.
I was raised like my brother didn't know how to
cook until like last year, and you've been cooking, so
I was like a baby. My Grandma's like, okay, you
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gotta come over here and help me do this, And
I'm like, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Is it because are you disupposed to add value? Is
that what it is? They want the woman to be
like as valuable as possible. Yes, So what you'll be
a good wife? What a good mom.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
A good mom, a good woman.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, a good caretaker of all the whole of all. Yeah,
so you know how to do everything?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, okay, so you always just kind of grew up
feeling like you have to like perform, you.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Have to do it well, everything had to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
He didn't do it perfect. Would you get in trouble?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I would get commentary afterwards and I'd be like, fuck,
I'm not good enough. I have to do again. Oh
I mean Pepe, It's fine. No, yeah, I said it's crazy.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Let it rip.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I say that, like, rip, let it rip.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Did you have resentment towards your brother because he didn't
get the same treatment.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I never had resentment towards him. I just like I
saw him. My parents had me so young, and we're
three years apart. I almost saw him like my child,
and I still do, especially now he's twenty one. He
just got a girlfriend, and I'm very like, who is
this girl? Like I met her her face time today,
My mom, you met her today on face time? Like
today was the day? How do we feel?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oka?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Well, okay, she's obviously the girlfriend, so we don't want
to talk about her, do we like?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Her. I don't even know I talked to her. My
mom was like, this is his girlfriend, and I'm like, oh, hi, okay,
and I was getting ready, like literally get coming over.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Here was your mom at your house?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
So no, my mom FaceTime.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Miami, everybody's on FaceTime at the same time they.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Were, My brother and his girlfriend were at the dinner
table eating. My mom just flips the camera and she's like, oh,
I want you to meet And I didn't even know
her name, but he talked to me about her super pretty.
I think she's gonna be really nice. I literally spoke
to words.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You said hi to each other, your mom, they're at
your mom's house.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, my parent's house.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay. So is this his first girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
No, but he's just kind of like living the dream,
not stressing.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
He's not stressing. He's trusting the process. I told him.
I'm like, hey, you'll just know.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I won't.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
But so, okay, so we've jumped all around. I want
to get back to your friend there. It's I don't
very present.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
If you can tell we hop around.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I love to hop around. So but my question is
if you just know you know, but you wrote a
song called I don't Yeah, and it's like you actually
said I do, but you meant I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So how does that happen when you it's I mean,
when you get married, but then you're like, oh god,
I shouldn't have done this. And y'all were super you
were in a duo together.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
He was not young.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But do you feel like maybe because like another one
of your songs, have you have ever been?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, that's the last one I wrote.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, I mean it sounds like you're very glad to
be out of it and young again.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Oh I love young. I feel like it's just like
I tell everybody that record, I wrote it two years ago.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Okay, is that when you were going through the breakup
or you had already broken.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Up, we were already done.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, but you had to disassemble your entire life and
y'all try out for American Idol together, which I did
not even know you could go on as a duo,
and the judges like flipped.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Over, y'all. Yeah crazy, They thought.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
You were like the most gorgeous couple they've ever seen.
Like Katie Perry's crying.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
She just went to space. Also like what all that?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I know?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Cool? Yeah, her outfit was sick. I'm like, if I
ever go to space, I want to look like that.
Whatever she's doing, I need to go on it.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Shoot me up, you know, literally in all the ways.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Maybe she has I don't even know. Maybe she has,
maybe she isn't, Maybe she's just naturally a goddess. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, we're all friends.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
She was very sweet to me. Say she was very sweet.
She was sassy to the boys, but I freaking love that. Hm.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Okay, So you were with Alex from how old you
must have been, like tiny.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Baby nineteen nineteen to twenty three you all got married.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Do you feel like it was rushed because you and
young again? You're like, I am so happy to be
young again because I kind of like miss out on
all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, I definitely feel like it was rushed. I definitely
feel like I was not ready for all the things,
and if I was given more time, I wouldn't have
gotten married. And then people don't realize when you get
in a healthy relationship, it's like hard in a different way.
It's easy because you can find the right person. You
guys like jive and you get to be your full self.
But it's hard because you have to break all the
old patterns that you had.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
How did you break them?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Therapy and just him being who he is, he had
so much patience for me. Like I talk about him
and I cry because he's the best thing that's ever
happened to me. And he's just my best friend. Like, yeah,
I don't even want to.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Let's cry.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I need a good cry today. Oh do you just
feel so seen and loved? Is this like the first
time in your life you've ever felt that way? Like
people will try to love you, but they just couldn't let.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You be you.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's like you're such a pretty crier.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You are. I'm like, ah, who's Rosy?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh ruby support dog.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
My friend's baby's name is Rosie. That's why I said,
we're good.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
There's some tichoes. Okay, So you really feel like this
is just like the most healing thing for you.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
This is whys meant to be with. But sometimes you
have to what's it called? Oh sorry, it's okay. Sometimes
you have to take the bumpy road to get to
the right one.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I guess, well, and you wouldn't You might not have known,
you know, I.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Wouldn't have known one and two I think I would
have taken for granted what I have because I was
so young and like naive, and I picked the bad
boy with the tattoos. Don't pick those. I know they
don't make good anything.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, you really went through it.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I I did, But I wouldn't trade anything for the world.
Like in the song my song, Happiest I've Ever Been,
It's like I just got back from Helen and I'd
do it again because now I'm the happiest. I would
if it meant i'd be where I am now, who
I am now, with the team that I have now
and the man that I have next to me now,
I would do it all over again. I wouldn't even blink.
And that's how I know I'm just like I wrote
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my truth. I wrote everything in those songs that was
my healing journey through and through, and I want that
to be that for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And it's called that Girl. Yes, I love it. Why
that Girl?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Why that Girl? So I wrote the song at the
Opera actually backstage in one of the rooms. Yeah, and
we Warner was hosting like writer's retreat, and I had
written two d different days. And they don't really tell
you you're writing with they're just like your room number or whatever.
You find your door and then the writer's names are
on the door.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You're at the Opry writing a writer's retreat at the Opry.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it was insane, like the grand Ony.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It was the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Isn't that cool? What music takes you to the craziest things? Crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I'm like, I've done things and like gotten to see
things and perform places I never thought I would be
able to. Yeah, so cool.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So you're just doing a writer's retreat at the Opry.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah. And I go to my door and it says
Red Atkins and I'm like, and then KK, my friend
KK Johnson, which she's a queen. I love her to death,
but I still write. I was like what. And we
go inside and we all hang out, and it's just
like he's such a manly man, but it was like girls'
night in there, and we were just talking. He's like, yeah, cat,
you're not that grow anymore. And I'm like, you know what,
I'm not that girl anymore. I'm not the girl that
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took took shit from other people and let people walk
all over here and lose her identity to be something
for somebody else. I'm I know who I am now,
I know what I want and I'm not scared to
get it and be who I am in front of people.
So that girl's like, I'm not that girl. You left
anymore on me?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Now that's a big change of personality, though.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I too, I've always been but I guess I just
dimmed my light.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh yes, was it scary coming into your power?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Were you ready?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I was ready? I think as soon as he said
that word, I was like, it was like all these
things because I had never dealt with anxiety or anything
of the sort, and then being in that situation, I
had all this anxiety and all this turmoil and all
this stuff, and it's like I got out of that
and all of it left. My body was like this
was gone, gone.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
It was all just because of the relationship. And as
soon as gone, you were just free from it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I was like, oh my god, I can breathe, and
like I slowly after that found myself and who I
wanted to be and what I was looking for for
the rest of my life, Like for what I want
for my life.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Good for you for getting a therapy. How do you
know how to do that? Uh?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Jess you. Yes, she's my manager, but like also like
I feel like my older sister, Like I love her
to death. I can't imagine doing this without her.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
That is so great that your manager cares about mental health.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
No, she cares. She's she's like the mom of I think,
like the whole team. She cares about it so much
more than we're not like a number to her where
like like.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Her, why do I want to cry out justice? She's sweet,
But to have like someone in the industry who obviously
y'all are all it's like a business and you're a brand,
but to have it be more than that you.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
She doesn't make me feel that way.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So yeah, because I mean truly like are we talk.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Like we'll have meetings and then she'll call me she's like,
how do you feel about that? I was like, oh,
this is crazy, and then we just talk about it
and it's I don't know, it's more than it's more
than work.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Which is actually like, is this connecting with you as
a as a human, as a human being and in
your soul? Is this something that feels right, that's aligned?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
And that's why I feel like me and her work
so well together because you.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Know, ultimately, and I know you know this. If you
push things that aren't aligned, it creates it's just going
to create so many problems on the road. I used
to do that when I was younger. I would force
things all the time. Yeah, and now as I have
gotten older, and I'm just like, Okay, the right ones
truly they flow, Yep, they flow. And if you have
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to force it, or if you start getting anxiety, or
if you get a ton of resistance, or if it
feels super heavy or it makes you feel sick, then
like your body is like saying no, yeah, literally, is
that why you're reading Body Keeps a Score? Why are
you reading that book?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I don't know. Me and Jess were talking about it
the other day and it was more like of a
you have to really like really work through your old
traumas that you don't ruin good things.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
In your life.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Just so true, Like like I was saying, healthy relationships.
I had all this bad stuff in my past and
I was bringing it. But also I was met with
so much compassion with him, and he saw through all that.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Was it instant with Mark absolutely, like y'all saw each
other and it was.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like no, the literally literally and it wasn't like everybody's
like love it first sight, love it first sight. No,
it was like I've known him my whole life at
first sight.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I had lifetimes together.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
That's what it felt like. And and I talked to
I had to write the other day with a husband
and wife. They're not a duel, but they work together.
And she was like, yeah, love at first I She's like,
that wasn't it for me either. It was like I
felt like I've known in my who life. And I
was like, that's how I felt too. It was just
like I don't know, It's like something I've never experienced before.
It's just easy. Life is just easy. He's he's my son,
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like your son. I don't have childred. No, I have
a dog his name is Dallas, but he's like the
closest thing to a son I have. But yes, he's
like the sun in my life. I'm sometimes the clouds
and I try.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
To get you are not the clouds? Why are you
say that?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Sometimes? Because I could be negative and I think it's
just because of my past experiences. I can just be
negative about my career and things like that myself and.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Get a self talk spiral. Do you catch yourself though,
like do you know when you're doing it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And I'm like, girl, get out of it, go walk
for a walk.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Go.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I used to never know I had bad self talk.
That's another thing. I used to not even realize that
my talk in my head was I had the ability
to change it. I didn't know that for a long time.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
You can.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And it's not true. It's all based on your past
programming yep, and so it's just there to try to
keep you safe.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Interest of thoughts are not real. No, you are not
your thoughts and you're not all your feelings right. It's
a lot of it has to do with your past
and you have to like kind of but I feel
like as you work through it, you find who you
are and like, I don't know, Like I talked to
my therapist. She's like, intuition is quiet, fear and anxiety
is loud. So I've learned how to differentiate between the two.
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And I feel like I've just I'm at a place
now in my life. I'm like, mentally so clear. It
took a while to get here.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
But you're only twenty five.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But I feel like once you go through so many
traumatic things so young, it's like, right, I feel like
I'm like thirty something.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, you have some big life lessons.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And I hang out with my friends and they're like,
all still like being silly and dumb, and.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I don't have to have this.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I'm like, or they'll be like, oh, this happened to
me today. I'm like, guys, I promise you, I'm not.
I'm not much older than you or like older than
you at all. It's fine no matter how bad you
think it's going to be, or how scared you have
of that thing happening. What's the worst that can happen? Right?
I feel like your brain sometimes chantastrophizes so much more
and you fear something so much more than what it
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actually would it actually totally worst case scenario. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
You're wise cat, I'm just cat. So when you became
a solo artist, was that nerve wracking?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
It was so fun?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It was fun. Okay, so you were like liberated?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, the girl was for read. I was like Lord.
At first, I think it was nerve wracking because I
was like, what are people expecting of me?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Now?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Was it hard to get momentum going or was the
momentum already going.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I don't even I don't know. I wasn't even thinking
about any of that. I was just like, you know what,
like I just want people to get to know me
for me, because I feel like for so long I
didn't really speak up and I really wasn't I was
I wasn't able to show my full self and I
didn't really know who my full self was yet. So
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once I was able to do the solo thing, I'm like, Okay,
this is my time to get to interact with people
and for them to get to get an insight on
me and who I actually am, because I want people
to my fans to fall in love with me for
who I am, like the silly goofy imperfect, because that's
that's that's what's real. I don't want them to see
everything perfect on social media. No, And that's why I
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go live sometimes and I'll post like funny contexts and
like that's who I actually am. I'm not this serious
person that only sings about all this serious stuff. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Like, so it wasn't scary and like getting a record
deal and all that.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't know if I think what was scary was
the big life change. I don't think what was like.
And it was scary, don't get me wrong when I
first did all of it. But after a while I
got into the groove and I had such a supportive
team and like family and friends and just it just happened.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So what is it like when you get the dreams
come true? Like you've gone on American Idol. You were
praised beyond measure. They loved you. You did that journey.
Then you come into Nashville and you start getting a
lot of good feedback, you start getting deals. You know,
people are excited. What is it like when your dream
start coming true? Like? Is it everything you hope to be?
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Or is it different?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It is it is it's it feels different, but it's
like everything you've hoped it would be. But it's almost like,
oh my gosh, now I have to not prove yourself.
But now it's like I can't mess this up, like
I gotta I gotta give it my all. And it's
almost this pressure of like you have to perform every
single time and it's got to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
This feels like your childhood. Yeah, this is like old
your old little little cats speaking up.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Now, what I'm working on is like enjoying every single
step of it, the good, the bad, and just not
waiting for the other shoe to drop or waiting for
the next incredible big thing to happen. It's like I'm
enjoying even the little things like being being able to go.
I don't even know, Like we're gonna be performing at
a couple of shows in Chicago and it's not gonna
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be this crazy. It's not the Operty, but it's still
incredible in its own way, and it's new people that
I'm gonna get to sing with and like have that
experience with and hopefully become lifelong fans. And then one day,
hopefully I'm playing in a stadium and they're there and
I can see them and we're like, oh my god,
I remember you from five years ago, and we create
that like almost like a family bond. Like I want
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my fans to feel like they're a part of this
family and for it to feel more like of a yeah,
like I literally for it to feel more like a family,
not so much of a fan and artist.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You know. Yeah, what what did your family think about
you being a singer? Did they always know or was
it like did you have to like convince them.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I think I had to convince them for a little while,
and then once they saw that everything was working, they
were like, yeah, we can't hold her back, She's gonna
do it. So they've been nothing but supportive, and I
don't know, I couldn't have done it without them.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Was it hardly be in Miami? Your family's from QBA?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, so my parents were born in Cuba. They came
to the United States Florida, Miami. They met in Miami.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
How old were they when they came to Miami, like
three and four?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I think? Okay, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And they met in Miami.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
They met in Miami.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
And do you think they were drawn to each other
because they're both from Cuba.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I don't know. My mom says that they went on
like a date and she had like deja vu and
like she was like that, She's like feels like she's
known in forever. And I'm like, Mom, I had that. Now,
I get it, why you Yeah, it all makes sense,
But I don't know. They've always been really supportive. They
did have me very young. Were they twenty one? Okay?
Which is I mean very young? Weird? Like nowadays I
feel like people having kids at eighteen.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, but I mean that is young because you're just
like getting started and I have a baby and barely
not a baby.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, yeah they did. I mean I hope they feel
like they did a great job. Yeah, definitely didn't expect
their daughter to do this, but I feel like they
have fun coming to the concerts. Oh yes, getting dressed up.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Do you like when you moved from Miami to Nashville.
Was it a big deal? Did you move here with
your former husband or were y'all stationed out of Florida?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Uh? We moved here together, okay, and we both.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Had You're just so brave, like all these things you've done,
it's such a so much.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I remember calling my parents on face. I'm like crying
every single dame like what am I doing? Like I
don't know what I'm doing it.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, but it's it's so nerve wracking to do all
these things you've done, Like you've gotten married, you've gone
a TV show, you've gotten divorced, you've moved to Nashville,
Like that is like big, big, big. That's why you're
saying like you don't it's you can handle stuff because
you went through such big life moments.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
It taught me to trust myself one and to do
what you feel is right and what everybody everybody else
thinks is their opinion. You'd have to do it right
for you. You're not gonna make everybody happy. And I'm
still working on that one.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But how do you know when it's right for you?
What does it feel like? Do you feel it in
your body?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I feel it in my body, but it's almost like
a soul thing. I don't know. Yeah, I don't need
anybody any more to agree with me or like have
the same like before. Like, but I would say, oh,
I want to do this and I believe in this.
My parents would be like, I don't know if that's right,
and then I'd listen to them and I'm like, shit,
I should have done the other.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Thing and filtrate your decision and you doubt yourself.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
But now you're like, you know, no, I know I've
done I've been through hard been through hard things.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I want to said the S word, Hey you can,
you can drap it like it's hot, been.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Through, been through really hard things. I've gone through things
I didn't think I could get through. I now know
what I want and who I am so what everybody
everybody else thinks. It's like I don't want to say,
not my problem, but it's like that's their opinion, and
that's okay for them to have an opinion. But I
don't have to listen to them. I can listen to me.
I gotta do it makes me happy. Now you have
to and I've never done that before.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Well you have to because you know what happens when
you don't.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I know the I know the opposite, and.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You can't do that.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, your time is your life is too precious, and
you learn such a valuable lesson, but you're not going
to do that again. Look at you learning though, like
you know what it is.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's one thing that I love. I love to learn it,
and I know I'm not always right, so I just
and you only learn this. You gotta hit your head
on the rocks sometimes.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So yeah, I've huit my head on the rocks so
many times.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You're so smart.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I'm telling you, y'all this generation, your age and like
Maddie too, like y'all are so wise, Like how do
you know all this stuff?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
It took me forever going through enough traumatic shit.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But I mean, I just feel like you are so
far ahead of the game. When I was twenty five,
I was a disaster really mentally. Yes I had I
mean I knew I'd had stuff to work on and that,
but I hadn't really started therapy. I didn't really know
therapy existed. I was just drinking and partying and trying
to like find my way and feeling super insecure the
whole time. I mean not that everyone doesn't feel insecure,
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but like I thought that was the truth. I didn't
realize that that was just like part of it. Yeah,
you know, I didn't know all these things that you
know crazy. I know you're destined for big things. The
fact you already know this at such a young age,
like the fact that you've got no.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Am I ready for retirement kind of.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You have like a fifty year old wisdom.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
But that's how I like, literally all my friends are like, oh,
that's got a Broadway and I'm like, I can't waste time.
Can we just like go to like a little wine
bar maybe, or like come to my house and have
wine and like hang out, Like what's.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
A perfect night for you?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Are you ready? You're gonna be like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'll be like, can I come over?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Please?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Tell me?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Involves a bath Mark and I go to Actually we
take Dallas on a walk, okay, like around the gulch. Okay,
go to Trader Joe's.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Get you love Trader Joe's.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Pick what we're gonna make for dinner. We make dinner together,
watch a movie. That's my perfect that's my perfect night,
perfect everything.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Don't you feel like everything at Trader Joe's is like
good for you?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
No, and it's like fun and it's cheap.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So y'all will walk in there and you'll just like
pick it out.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Like you could pick the wine, and then I'll pick
the food because I'm like kind of picky.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
You a great cook?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yes, I think I would hope. So what you're special?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I know I was gonna say, if you had to
learn all these things as a kid, what's your specialty?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
What's my specialty? I feel like I cook everything like
I never cooked the same thing twice. Like yesterday we
made lobster bisk pasta. You just whip that out.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, you just made lobster biss pasta like this.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
We looked up on TikTok and we were like, Okay,
we're gonna do this. Yeah, Oh, it's just like fun.
I don't know, I like, I like I like cooking
and I like baking. Now I didn't. I didn't really
like it before, but like now I'm like, oh, I
want to cook and like bake, and like.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
That's amazing, you know, Cat, I'm so impressed with you.
I'm literally like in awe of just like I told
you you were, like you are fifty, but you're such
a hot twenty five year old. That's what I'm just saying.
Like the world is your oyster. The fact that you
have this brain and this body, I'm like, this is
good news, Like I feel honestly, I'm so excited to
see artists your age who are so in tune with
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their mental health and who are so aware of like
how important it is to be like not just like
physically beautiful and like killing yourself in your career, but
like it's also like, okay, let's really make sure that
our heads are on straight and that you're doing okay mentally,
because you're gonna trickle that onto your audience and like
you're an example to your fans. That's like this is
so important, you know, and even your music, like the
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songs that you're writing about. It's like, Okay, you're prioritizing yourself.
You're prioritizing making sure that you are the best version.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Of yourself because if not, it's like, if you're not
the best version of yourself, you're not gonna be a
good version for anybody else around you, Like you're gonna
impact everybody around you. Which also you have to I
don't know, you have to like check yourself and make
sure that you're okay, because if not, all the bad's
and the spill hunt everyone that you care about. And
I take that because I'm like, if I have a
bad dam, I'm like, oh, I gotta go to the
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gym and I gotta do this before I go re
Mark's house and we have dinner because I don't want
that to pour over. And some days it does. But
that's okay, that's amazing, that's okay, it's OZD. But you know, oh,
I learned that too. I learned that because I'm like,
I always felt like I had to be perfect and then.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And you can't show that you're not, that you're not,
that you're struggling.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And no, no, I know it's okay, but it's also it's.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Like it's knowing. It's like, Okay, I'm struggling right now
and knowing that and then being able to like express
it and not put it on someone, but just claiming
what it is, you know, And just because you're struggling
in this moment, this is what I've realized. It's just
because you're having a moment, that doesn't mean that's who
you are. You're just like in this particular moment. Yeah,
and that's why you call your best friend. What's your
best friend?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Said Natalie.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Natalie, and You'rena's unload.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Is it like how you just like clean it out?
Does she tell you everything? And you tell her everything?
And then you give each other advice and like you
clear it all up. So whatever you're worried about about
the end of.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
The phone call, like it was just a tip for good.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, that's so important to have those kind of friendship.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
She's she's I mean, she's been there, she was there
other day I was born. Like we're like best friends
since we're babies.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Talk just every week, every single day, every single day.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, and she'll be like today with ship and I'm like, okay,
you gotta tell me, it's to why and I'll be like, oh,
today I wanted to kill somebody and she's like oh,
and then I'll be like she's.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Like, oh my god. Really yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Does she live in Miami?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Oh? Jacksonville?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Man, okay, So what is life like for you now
that you're like so mentally stable? I mean, you're not
out there wrecking your life, which is awesome. You're in
a great career. You have this awesome is it EP?
Is an epier album album?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
EP that you release that girl or releasing or released?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
We already released and that was we started working on
that two years ago. It was like two years of making.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Okay, okay, So now you're just like doing shows. What
are you loving these much? What is your like life
like as kat Luna out there in the wild?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I love that now I have a work life balance,
Like I have my life. I can go home, I
have marketd ells at home and have my friends and
then I go to work and it's like it's like
handah Montana, Like I literally have the blonde wig even
though it's not a way y'all your hair is great?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Is that there's all your hair that's thick hair right there.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It's my hair's thick. It's just short right now.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, well that's great.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I have like my home life and it's incredible. And
then I go to work and it's like, okay, it's
game time and I can do all these things. And
then after the end of the day, I'm like, okay, So.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Do you write every day? Is that what you do?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Is I write? Yeah? Like I have it right? Please?
What Tuesday? H God bless My schedules are always like
my head on tomorrow. I don't think I have a
right tomorrow. Tomorrow's my packing day because i'mleaving to Florida
for East your fan. Yeah, and then there are I
have to finish a rite with I'm the married couple
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that I was talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
So do you write every day almost like the two
or three times a week? Do you get burnt out?
Or do you like it?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I do it only that much. So I used to
be like four or five Yeah, I give me. And
then I was like, wait, balance, I kind of I'm
starting to resent this. I don't want to do that.
So I keep it two to three so that I
come fresh every single day, and I just like continue
to be hungry and like I continue to like pour
my heart in because I love it. I don't ever
want to not love it. And I know there's gonna
be days like that, and I do have days like
I don't love writing, but then I'm like I get
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there and I'm like, oh, this is actually sick.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I was an artist back in the day, and I
was not meant to be an artist. So this is
like how you know when you're not doing the correct thing.
But I'm glad it was a part of my life. Yeah,
because for ten years I was in a trio and
then we transition to another band, and I would write
every single day, and every single time I would go
into the writing room, I hated it. I really hated it,
like hated it. And I tried to play guitar for
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fifteen years and I could never learn how to play,
Like I never wanted to play it, Like I just
didn't like it, yeah, you know, and and then on stage,
like I liked it, but I was like, why was
I forcing myself to try to be a performer, you know,
because I just didn't know that it led me to
where I am now. So it all like looking.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Back, isn't your husband a performer too.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, he's in a band a thousand horses. He loves it,
like he loves to ride, he loves to perform, like
he's just like probably like how you talk about it,
like it's just like it's your life, it's your destiny.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Literally, and I feel like, obviously at the end of
the day it is our jobs. And sometimes it does
feel like that, but the good days outweigh the bad.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, Like do you just always see yourself doing this? Yeah,
and it's just like it's who is.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I'm like, what else am I going to do? Be
an accountant?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Well, I mean your voice is so good too, when
you're born with that voice.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I mean I just could I don't even know if
I could do be like I'm horrible with numbers.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, definitely don't be an accountant.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Couldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
That's like the worst option.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I mean, I'd probably be on TV or something. I
like being funny, like urb a comedian.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You think, okay, so you like jokes.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
My humor is like sometimes not good for everybody.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Some people tell me tell me can it's not even
like it's like more like just off the cuff, but
can you give me like a I need to know.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I couldn't even like, it's got to be like I
feed off of people like I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Being a comedian to me would be the most stressful
job in the entire world.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Would laugh at my jokes. I'd be the one laughing
up there at myself. So then maybe they laugh because
they feel bad. I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
You know who I think is funny. Is that Nate
Gargets Barbette.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Or get Gargets be or whatever. Yeah, so funny, funny
as hell.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Because he's just like the best dad humor I've ever
heard in my life. And I'm like, oh my god,
she's so funny.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
She's freaking hilarious.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I'm like, oh, I feel like she has a podcast?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Does she? If she doesn't, she should.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You need to go on there, y'all need to.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Be freaking hilarious. I would love that. Yeah. Me and
I did this thing for CMT Woman of Country.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Oh congratulations next Woman of Country, right.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
She They lied to me. They were like, Oh, you're
gonna go have like you're gonna film some miners and like, A,
I don't even know it fully exactly what you guys said.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
You just get surprised with it recently.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Literally like it was like three months ago.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
That's a big deal. Yeah, to be Auntie's next Woman
of Country.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
It was insane and like they didn't even tell me anything,
and they were like and then the lady comes and
she's like, oh, Laura Landey's an interview and I was like,
I look at just and I'm like, something's happening here.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Laura Elena was in the interview yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I was like what. And I sit down like oh, Hi,
like what And then she's asking me a couple of
things and then she's like, well, I didn't just bring
it here for this, and I was like what the
I literally looked at her. I was like, she was like,
Y're sending TMT next to a coature. I was like,
no way. It was insane.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They just assume everyone's gonna say yes. Obviously, no one's
gonna mark Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I politely declined no. I was like, oh my gosh,
I'm sorry, but I just can't. I didn't want to
sing anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I'm like, oh, I mean, is that just like a
thrill of your life? Is that one of the biggest moments?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
It was just like, oh my god, I remember I
got in the car and I was just like and
but me and her were joking around a lot of
stuff before the camera's rolling, and when the cameras we
were rolling. She's great.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I like, she's so funny, She's so fun I love
Laura Lena. I feel like she's got such a great attitude.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
She does. She's like she's yes, said, she's eating it,
she's killing it.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
What does it mean when you are a next woman
of country?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Like?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
What does that? What are the what does that entail?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Oh my goodness, I don't even know how I'm there
with all of the girls just.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And also is that Mariah there?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Oh, I love her.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
She's great.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
She's great.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I haven't met her in person yet, but we've like
DMed and stuff like that. So yeah, I feel like
I'm gonna meet her soon.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I've got y'all do things together.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I think we are gonna I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Okay, it's just unfolding. Yeah, but I mean, okay, So
tell me some other things that have like blown your
mind for what that have just happened to you that
you can never have dream What happened.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Playing the Grand ol Opry dream Opry debut, And it
was like for the hundredth year, which is insane, Like,
what a cool number. Even though I'm not good with numbers,
but that.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Number school, well, we're definitely not gonn to count it.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Nope, no accounting here, no, no number of skills. It
was insane when I played there, it was just like
a holy crap, I kid had never imagine that would
have been, but it is. But I did this mm hmm.
And it's just getting to move back. You're getting my
rerec or deal, getting my publishing deal, getting to work
with alongside such incredible people. It's just every single day
I wake up and I'm like, no matter how bad
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I'm feeling or whatever, I'm like, thank you God, one
for another day and two forgetting for me getting to
live my dream with the most incredible people. For everything
I've ever prayed for, I have it now. Really?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Are you an avid prayer?
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Do you like write down deliberate prayers? No?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I literally off the cuff every single night. Okay, whatever
I'm feeling, because I'm like, you know what I feel
like Sometimes people see God is like it's like it
has to be perfectly thought out before you pray, and
it's like, no, He's he's my best day. We talk
every single night. I pray and I'm like, you know what,
Please protect my relationship, protect my family, protect my friends,
and help me be the best version of me for
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myself and for everybody around me. Help me show up
and help me be there for everybody the way you
are there for me.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Have you felt God like a real presence from God?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Especially in the last after everything bad happened. I felt
it more now than ever in my entire life.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Isn't that interesting that, like in the midst of like
the valley, like you felt God the most after Yeah?
Why do you think that is because you're open to
like receiving or what?
Speaker 3 (37:12):
What?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
How did you feel Him in a way that you
hadn't felt them before?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Just it's like everything in my life, I've realized that
it's from Him, and that is truly what I want.
Brings this unexplainable piece, And I had never had this
that type of piece ever, ever, ever, ever and anything
I've ever had. I had everything I ever wanted in
the past, or so I thought there was no peace there.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Ever and what would that be like? Just like the marriage, the.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
The career, everything whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
It felt like it was all.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Like it was everything I ever wanted, but I never
had any peace, and now everything I have everything. Peace.
There's the key my relationship. There's piece in my job.
There's peace with my friendships. There's peace with myself and
the relationship and myself. There's peace even working out. I'm like, oh,
this is peaceful, Loki. I'm dying, but I'm like peace.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
So peace is your standard.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Piece is my standard.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
If you're an I'm not feeling peace.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
If I don't feel peace in my heart and my soul,
then it's not right.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
It's not from God. Wow. Does that give you confidence
to trust?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Absolutely? And that's why I feel like now I trust
myself more than.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Ever and to walk into that because you kind of
have to walk blindly into this career because it's like
you're charting your.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Own Yeah, it's just life.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, it's like you don't really know what's going to
come next. Like you got surprised with Santy, your next
one of the country. You didn't know that was coming.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's gonna totally the best I can every I'm gonna
wake up every single day, show up the best I can,
and do the best I can. Whether that's twenty percent
of myself for some days and fifty or one hundred,
I'm just gonna be me and do the best I can.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
And then if you are presented with an opportunity or
a situation and you have peace about it, yeah, that's
how you know. That's how you know God is with you.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I love that. So what happens your whole life blows
up though, you know, because it's gonna happen again. But
then we just trust that God's doing that because God now, Yeah,
and it honestly, sometimes the destruction is so necessary.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
It was so necessary because I was living in a
bubble and thank God the bubble got popped.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
And it's always absolutely painful.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
And life is ever changing and you're ever growing. But
it's just like I don't know, like I'm at the
point of my life that I want to just grow
and I want to learn, and I want to because
resistance is good. That's growth. That's where you find growth.
But it's like, you know the difference between good resistance
and the one that you you should back away from.
And I'm leaning into the resistance of growth because I'm like, oh,
(39:22):
it's it's so much easier to stay the same and
stay who you are and not grow because yeah, it's comfortable.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Really, ultimately, it's not easier because then you live your
whole life and resentment knowing that you're not being the.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Person that you're mean to be.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So it feels like it's easier because you're not actually
doing the work.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Say how I lived back then and now I'm like
the resistance. I'm running towards your sister hide, I'm coming Like, yeah,
it's hard, but I want it. Hard things are what
at the end of the day, what's worth it? What
makes your life worthwhile? Where you grow, where you learn,
where you just like, I don't know, like I've found
this love for life again that I never thought I
could have.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Is that Do you feel like that's where young Again
came from? That song made me feel like so excited.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I freaking love that song. That's the one song out
of the whole that one and Happy It's I've ever
been that. I'm like twenty, I'm singing in my car,
like I never played my songs in the car, but
those two are the.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Ones because they actually fire you up.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, And like the stuff I'm writing now, I'm like,
I'm so excited for everybody here because like that other
stuff is like that's so two almost three years ago,
like yuck, but.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
You know what, you got it out of your system.
And I feel like that's how my husband always is
whenever he okay and.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
And not yuck to the songs because I love all
the songs, but you're just passing. It's almost like you're
done motions everything, like been there, done that says like
I want you guys to hear.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Like where you are now, I'm not now. That's how
my husband always is. Like he wrote an album and
it was like such a great album and like just beautiful,
and then the second it's done, he's like if I
never heard those songs again, it's too soon. But it's
like they're the best in the whole world.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
But you live with it, and like people don't realize this,
but we live with it for so long. From writing from.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Out, you're literally like pouring your intestines.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Like you're living your trauma. But that's why it's like, no,
I'm like everybody's like how you're doing my Like I'm
freaking I and I'm living life. I've already lived it
a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You got it out, Parkore Parkour, Yeah, park Parkour. What
do you do for thunder relax? Well, I know what
you do with your with your boyfriend, but like what
do you do like just for yourself, like if you
need a day of like just like recentering resetting my.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Moms to be like, why do you do that? I
go to the tanning bed something not anymore any morning
where my mom.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Said not to do any more, not anymore like last week,
two days ago. We looked very freshened tan.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
It's a fake tan. I listened to my mom, and
mom's a nurse, and I'm like, okay, Mom, I'm not
going to get skinn cancer. I don't want to die early.
But I go to the tanning bed. Or I go
and I get like a little coffee from a cute
little coffee shop, and I'll bring Dallas with me and
we'll have a little coffee. I'll pull the windows down.
I've lately been loving Ben Rector so much. He's the
freaking man. Mark introduced me to him, and I'm like,
(41:50):
I fucking love him, and we went to see him
at he opened for Dan and Jay.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
He's so great.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Last year, the year before, no, last year.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Maybe you know what I love about him? He he's
been unconventional the whole time with his career, like he's
just grown it and just sinking. Yeah, and he's just
and he's funny. He's so funny.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Concerts he was so funny and like so personable and
like his music is so real and it talks about
real life and like there's one that's called like Old Friends,
and every time I play it, like I literally cry
because I'm like, nobody's gonna know me better than my
friend Natalie, Like like nobody knows the roads that we know.
Nobody knows our parents like we know them were like
the little things we used to do when we were kids.
(42:28):
Like I don't know all his music. I love He's.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Married to a Waco girl. I'm from Waco really, so yeah,
we do a Waco dinner once a year at their house.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
I love him now, So have you ever seen him again?
Be like Kat is obsessed with you.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well everyone that I that's weird, but everyone I talk
to is obsessed with beIN Rector, Like he will just
love the director.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
It's like if I have a bad day, literally turned
his music out and I'm like that wasn't even that bad.
I'm fine. I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Isn't that the beauty of music though?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Music? And that's what I hope my music is for
everybody A healing.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, well it is because you're actually pouring your heart
out into it. And I feel like anything that is
real connects. That's really the ticket, because if it's real
from you, then you know other people feel it. It's
when you're trying to do something because you're trying to.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
I'm done trying. I'm just I'm like, I'm gonna be.
I'm gonna be, and whoever is gonna like is gonna like.
And if they don't, they don't.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
You will land or you're supposed to land, and you
don't have to live the rest of your life trying
to keep up with whoever's with you because you don't
know why they're with you to begin with. I'm just me.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I'm just this is my thing. I'm just Cat. Everybody's
like you're still or something. I'm just got whatever that entails,
that's me and I'm gonna embrace it and I'm gonna
love it and I'm gonna do the best I can
with what I have and who I am.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I freaking love it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Kat.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
You're you're you're a rock star.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I've lived too long trying to be what everybody else
wanted me to be and do whatever whatever everybody else
wanted to be me. Oh tongue twister. I've done so
many things that I didn't want to do but I did.
But now I'm doing everything that I want because I
know who I am and life is so much more
peaceful and better. Yep. And I can't explain it. It's
just like this and everything. You just know. You just
(43:59):
know when we started the conversation with you're just.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Not gonna do it again. I love that. Okay, I'm
gonna wrap up and then can you can I ask
you a few questions just for a little quick bonus,
that's okay. I always wrap up with leave your light,
and it's super open ended. What do you want people
to know?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Just drop some inspiration to know that there is light
at the end of the tunnel, and like, yes, you
might be going through something really hard right now, but
it always gets better. It always does, and it doesn't
stay bad for very long. Like I promise you'll probably
wake up tomorrow and you're like, oh my god, yesterday
you laugh at it, but you.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Just have to take have the courage to move through it.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Right, It's okay to feel other things other than happiness. Yes,
it's okay to feel sad. It's okay to feel disappointed.
It's okay to feel like you're not enough. It's valid,
it's okay, but it's not who you are. So key,
You're more than that.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yes, amen. Kat Luna in the House twenty five years old.
Wisdom of a fifty year old, Body of a goddess.
I mean you're true. I mean walk I'm telling you,
you walk in and you are a vision. It's hard
for people. It's hard for people not to be moved
by you. Just be because you have such a presence
about you. If people tell you that, I do feel that.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
It looked like a rat before I came here, but
thank you took it took some work.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well, I'm sorry that I look like a rat.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Literally, you have no makeup on or anything. She's perfect.
If I if I looked like her, I would show
my face everywhere. I'd literally be annoying. I'd be everywhere.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Well, I started a new SKINNERU tine cat and so
my face every day.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Drop the link. That's all I gotta say. I like
to put it all in there cart wherever it's from God.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Too many things to keep up with. That's the thing.
This same age you to put everything online. I can't
do it.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Very more. I'm more private, not about but you can.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Make some dollars. I just can't do it.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
I gotta do it.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Okay, Cat, you're the best. We're gonna do a quick
little I ask you some very personal questions. Tell me more.
It's gonna be a bonus episode. Everyone in Thursday. Thank
you so much for joining me. You're amazing.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Thank you for having me, inviting me. This is like
the sickest thing. Your daughter's so cute, your dogs are adorable,
like your gorge and like it's so funny too. Have
you Okay? Christen Bell from that show Nobody Wants Us
you remind me so much for her.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
People have told me that, Why do you think that?
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Because one you guys sound the same in a good way.
But I love I love christ and Bell. She's very
personable and like, you're not afraid to be yourself and
I like that.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Thank you. I get Kristen Bell, that's great, okay, I
like that amazing.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
And she's also gorgeous. So who do you get dually,
but where she's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
That's what Katy Perry called you. Yeah, she said you
don't find.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Her darker anymore, and I don't think I ever will.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
But you can do both. You're one of those that
can do both.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
But I'm meant to be blonde.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Okay, I've dyed my hair brown before. I feel totally different.
I just felt and I love brown hair, like I
think it is so gorgeous on people that like when
I put it on myself.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
And I just don't feel like me.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I just felt I didn't take it off. So being
blonde makes you feel like yourself. It's an interesting hair color,
doesn't I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
I feel like I feel like I have a light
in me, so like my hair is like it just
reflects how you feel, how I feel on the inside.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Like your shurk eyebrows with it, it's very great. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Can't hide from it, I mean, don't.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Why would you.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
I need to get in pluck though. Don't look too
close to the brows popping.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Okay, Cat Luna, you're amazing. Okay, tell us what we
need to be looking for, like music, follow you all
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Follow me, Cat Luna official catlet Music. Oh my god, Jess,
can you believe I got it wrong? Cat Luna cat
Luna Music everywhere and cat Luna on Spotify. All all
my songs are on all streaming platforms.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Cat Luna love me so much. We're gonna do tell
me more quick, little extra bonus episode, and then we're
going to be out of here. Okay out, bye bye
Carl Line, she's a queen and talking to you a song.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You know, she's getting really not.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Afraid to feel so, so just let her flow. No
one can do were quiet, Cary Line, it's time for Caroline. Well,
I'm here with the Vision May Walk of shows and
stuff because she looks like she needs to be on
stage and TV.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
She's perfect, she needs to be on stage a red
hot chili pepper shirt on. I'm like, okay, she's so cute.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
She's mesmerized by like singers, and anyone who does.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Play will be one when she grows up.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I think she has run on stage a few times?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Is that a bad thing? You know?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I think do you think you're either born with it
or not? I think you're definitely like it, don't.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I don't know if you're born with it or not.
I think you like it or you don't.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, you either like want to be on the stage
and want to be in front of people, or you absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Or you're like, okay, get me ever to the nearest
exit exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, I really, I really think it's one of the
other m M. But then you have those tortured musicians
and actors who like hate this, who hate being in
front of people and all the things. But they're just so.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Great at acting or great on the stage. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Do you think all musicians and artists are tortured?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Do you feel tortured? So you said you're an open book.
I just want to get straight to.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No, I mean get straight to it. I don't. I
wouldn't say tortured. I would say I My job challenges
me in growing in ways that I never thought I would.
So let's give an example. Meeting new people or being
in big crowds people that I don't know. I'm very interpreted.
I'm like, oh, I don't. I don't want to. If
I know people there, then I'm like, oh, hey guys,
(01:55):
and I can get comfortable. But if it's just let's
say we're going to an I'm looking at just hey girl,
hey Rachel going to an.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Event, and I'm putting them because you're so perfect, I
just want.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
No, it's fine. She loves telling us what the weather is,
and today I guess it's colder than normal, so she's like, hey,
it's cold.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I'm over here in my workout clothes and you're over
in a vision and you're so perfect. I'm like I'm
just gonna get your fly away hair because you literally.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Are just it took all day to get looking like this.
Let me tell you did my hair if you would
have seen me like two hours ago. Was so I
have naturally really curly hair, I believe it or not.
I'm Cuban American, so the Cuban really, the hairs, all
the things. I was facing out with my friend and
she was just telling me the tea of the week,
and yeah, it's all good tea.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But it was like, fun, do you do that, like
check in and like just unload.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
She's my childhood best friend.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
D'all unload your weeks?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Absolutely, that's how you get it out.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
We talk every single day.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Is that do you feel like I mean we're talking
about therapy and store trauma and stuff earlier. Yeah, and
it's like, do you feel like I feel like you've
got a process. Is that how you process?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah? I talked to her and my boyfriend Mark, like
they're like, my I have my actual therapist, my boy
friend Mark.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
You said we are considering moving somewhere. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I we're taling. I'm not going to say we're moving though,
but yes, I was like we we're still gonna be
in Nashville, but yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
We have come out of a huge lifelong relationship divorce
in like, uh, musical relationship.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yes, so we have moved.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
On and I've totally scattered us. You were talking about
something else before.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I don't even remember what I was talking about. Oh gosh,
oh wait, what were we talking about? Wait? No, I know,
hold on trauma, tortured artist, torture, dartst Yes. So I
think I love my job because it challenges and me
in ways that I wouldn't have done if it wasn't
for the job that I have. So I wouldn't say tortured.
I'd say it's hard sometimes, but I'm blessed. I wouldn't
do anything else, Like I couldn't imagine myself doing anything else.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So when you walk into a room of people that
you don't know, what are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Anxiety dot com? But I'm like, you know what, at
the end of the day, these are new friends that
I can make.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
But what is the anxiety? Like, what are the thoughts?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I don't even know if there's thoughts. I just my body.
I'm just like, oh my god, Uh, all these people
I don't know like.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Do you feel like you have to talk to them all?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yes? You do. Yeah, you feel like you feel like
I have to make everybody comfortable around me and like
be friends with everyone.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Okay, are you a people pleaser?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Do you me too? Do you come from some big personalities?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Were you the one that was making everyone happy?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yes? Fun. I'm the oldest too, so.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, the oldest. I feel like sometimes it's a tone
and it's not the people pleaser.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So I'm the oldest in a Latin household, I'm the oldest.
I'm the daughter, and then there's a brother. He's a
younger one, so they baby the boys and the girls.
The one that's like has to like they expect her
to be like the best and like excel and has
to have everything together.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And yeah, so has that given you a complex that
you have to be perfect to everything?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yes, But through therapy and through just living my life
not being twenty five, I'm like, I'm perfectly imperfect and
I'm Cat and that's the people that are going to
be around me that love me for me are gonna
love me for being cat. And if they don't love me,
then I'm not gonna change. I'm cat if I'm changing,
it's for growing to be a better person, not anything else.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So do you think that's like in general? You said
in your culture, that's how it is. Like the oldest
or the oldest.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Boys or baby the girls are expected to excel and
be the best.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I don't know, To be honest, I guess there's.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Strong Latin women.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, and we are we all like every I mean,
I mean to like grow up in that kind of
environment you have, it's like killer be killed.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Really, so what is it like growing up as the oldest.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
My parents had me very young, so they did the
best that they could, and I really do love them
so much, but it was definitely like the I was
the experiment. Yeah, and being the oldest, I don't know.
I was raised like my brother didn't know how to
cook until like last year, and you've been cooking, so
I was like a baby. My Grandma's like, okay, you
(05:41):
gotta come over here and help me do this, And
I'm like, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Is it because are you disupposed to add value? Is
that what it is? They want the woman to be
like as valuable as possible. Yes, So what you'll be
a good wife? What a good mom.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
A good mom, a good woman.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, a good caretaker of all the whole of all. Yeah,
so you know how to do everything?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, okay, so you always just kind of grew up
feeling like you have to like perform, you.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Have to do it well, everything had to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
He didn't do it perfect. Would you get in trouble?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I would get commentary afterwards and I'd be like, fuck,
I'm not good enough. I have to do again. Oh
I mean Pepe, It's fine. No, yeah, I said it's crazy.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Let it rip.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I say that, like, rip, let it rip.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Did you have resentment towards your brother because he didn't
get the same treatment.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I never had resentment towards him. I just like I
saw him. My parents had me so young, and we're
three years apart. I almost saw him like my child,
and I still do, especially now he's twenty one. He
just got a girlfriend, and I'm very like, who is
this girl? Like I met her her face time today,
My mom, you met her today on face time? Like
today was the day? How do we feel?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oka?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Well, okay, she's obviously the girlfriend, so we don't want
to talk about her, do we like?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Her. I don't even know I talked to her. My
mom was like, this is his girlfriend, and I'm like, oh, hi, okay,
and I was getting ready, like literally get coming over.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Here was your mom at your house?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
So no, my mom FaceTime.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Miami, everybody's on FaceTime at the same time they.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Were, My brother and his girlfriend were at the dinner
table eating. My mom just flips the camera and she's like, oh,
I want you to meet And I didn't even know
her name, but he talked to me about her super pretty.
I think she's gonna be really nice. I literally spoke
to words.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You said hi to each other, your mom, they're at
your mom's house.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, my parent's house.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay. So is this his first girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
No, but he's just kind of like living the dream,
not stressing.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
He's not stressing. He's trusting the process. I told him.
I'm like, hey, you'll just know.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I won't.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
But so, okay, so we've jumped all around. I want
to get back to your friend there. It's I don't
very present.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
If you can tell we hop around.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I love to hop around. So but my question is
if you just know you know, but you wrote a
song called I don't Yeah, and it's like you actually
said I do, but you meant I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So how does that happen when you it's I mean,
when you get married, but then you're like, oh god,
I shouldn't have done this. And y'all were super you
were in a duo together.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
He was not young.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But do you feel like maybe because like another one
of your songs, have you have ever been?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, that's the last one I wrote.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, I mean it sounds like you're very glad to
be out of it and young again.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Oh I love young. I feel like it's just like
I tell everybody that record, I wrote it two years ago.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Okay, is that when you were going through the breakup
or you had already broken.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Up, we were already done.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, but you had to disassemble your entire life and
y'all try out for American Idol together, which I did
not even know you could go on as a duo,
and the judges like flipped.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Over, y'all. Yeah crazy, They thought.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
You were like the most gorgeous couple they've ever seen.
Like Katie Perry's crying.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
She just went to space. Also like what all that?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I know?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Cool? Yeah, her outfit was sick. I'm like, if I
ever go to space, I want to look like that.
Whatever she's doing, I need to go on it.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Shoot me up, you know, literally in all the ways.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Maybe she has I don't even know. Maybe she has,
maybe she isn't, Maybe she's just naturally a goddess. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, we're all friends.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
She was very sweet to me. Say she was very sweet.
She was sassy to the boys, but I freaking love that. Hm.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Okay, So you were with Alex from how old you
must have been, like tiny.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Baby nineteen nineteen to twenty three you all got married.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Do you feel like it was rushed because you and
young again? You're like, I am so happy to be
young again because I kind of like miss out on
all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, I definitely feel like it was rushed. I definitely
feel like I was not ready for all the things,
and if I was given more time, I wouldn't have
gotten married. And then people don't realize when you get
in a healthy relationship, it's like hard in a different way.
It's easy because you can find the right person. You
guys like jive and you get to be your full self.
But it's hard because you have to break all the
old patterns that you had.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
How did you break them?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Therapy and just him being who he is, he had
so much patience for me. Like I talk about him
and I cry because he's the best thing that's ever
happened to me. And he's just my best friend. Like, yeah,
I don't even want to.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Let's cry.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I need a good cry today. Oh do you just
feel so seen and loved? Is this like the first
time in your life you've ever felt that way? Like
people will try to love you, but they just couldn't let.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You be you.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's like you're such a pretty crier.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You are. I'm like, ah, who's Rosy?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh ruby support dog.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
My friend's baby's name is Rosie. That's why I said,
we're good.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
There's some tichoes. Okay, So you really feel like this
is just like the most healing thing for you.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
This is whys meant to be with. But sometimes you
have to what's it called? Oh sorry, it's okay. Sometimes
you have to take the bumpy road to get to
the right one.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I guess, well, and you wouldn't You might not have known,
you know, I.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Wouldn't have known one and two I think I would
have taken for granted what I have because I was
so young and like naive, and I picked the bad
boy with the tattoos. Don't pick those. I know they
don't make good anything.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, you really went through it.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I I did, But I wouldn't trade anything for the world.
Like in the song my song, Happiest I've Ever Been,
It's like I just got back from Helen and I'd
do it again because now I'm the happiest. I would
if it meant i'd be where I am now, who
I am now, with the team that I have now
and the man that I have next to me now,
I would do it all over again. I wouldn't even blink.
And that's how I know I'm just like I wrote
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my truth. I wrote everything in those songs that was
my healing journey through and through, and I want that
to be that for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And it's called that Girl. Yes, I love it. Why
that Girl?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Why that Girl? So I wrote the song at the
Opera actually backstage in one of the rooms. Yeah, and
we Warner was hosting like writer's retreat, and I had
written two d different days. And they don't really tell
you you're writing with they're just like your room number or whatever.
You find your door and then the writer's names are
on the door.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You're at the Opry writing a writer's retreat at the Opry.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it was insane, like the grand Ony.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It was the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Isn't that cool? What music takes you to the craziest things? Crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I'm like, I've done things and like gotten to see
things and perform places I never thought I would be
able to. Yeah, so cool.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So you're just doing a writer's retreat at the Opry.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah. And I go to my door and it says
Red Atkins and I'm like, and then KK, my friend
KK Johnson, which she's a queen. I love her to death,
but I still write. I was like what. And we
go inside and we all hang out, and it's just
like he's such a manly man, but it was like girls'
night in there, and we were just talking. He's like, yeah, cat,
you're not that grow anymore. And I'm like, you know what,
I'm not that girl anymore. I'm not the girl that
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took took shit from other people and let people walk
all over here and lose her identity to be something
for somebody else. I'm I know who I am now,
I know what I want and I'm not scared to
get it and be who I am in front of people.
So that girl's like, I'm not that girl. You left
anymore on me?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Now that's a big change of personality, though.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I too, I've always been but I guess I just
dimmed my light.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh yes, was it scary coming into your power?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Were you ready?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I was ready? I think as soon as he said
that word, I was like, it was like all these
things because I had never dealt with anxiety or anything
of the sort, and then being in that situation, I
had all this anxiety and all this turmoil and all
this stuff, and it's like I got out of that
and all of it left. My body was like this
was gone, gone.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
It was all just because of the relationship. And as
soon as gone, you were just free from it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I was like, oh my god, I can breathe, and
like I slowly after that found myself and who I
wanted to be and what I was looking for for
the rest of my life, Like for what I want
for my life.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Good for you for getting a therapy. How do you
know how to do that? Uh?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Jess you. Yes, she's my manager, but like also like
I feel like my older sister, Like I love her
to death. I can't imagine doing this without her.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
That is so great that your manager cares about mental health.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
No, she cares. She's she's like the mom of I think,
like the whole team. She cares about it so much
more than we're not like a number to her where
like like.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Her, why do I want to cry out justice? She's sweet,
But to have like someone in the industry who obviously
y'all are all it's like a business and you're a brand,
but to have it be more than that you.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
She doesn't make me feel that way.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So yeah, because I mean truly like are we talk.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Like we'll have meetings and then she'll call me she's like,
how do you feel about that? I was like, oh,
this is crazy, and then we just talk about it
and it's I don't know, it's more than it's more
than work.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Which is actually like, is this connecting with you as
a as a human, as a human being and in
your soul? Is this something that feels right, that's aligned?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
And that's why I feel like me and her work
so well together because you.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Know, ultimately, and I know you know this. If you
push things that aren't aligned, it creates it's just going
to create so many problems on the road. I used
to do that when I was younger. I would force
things all the time. Yeah, and now as I have
gotten older, and I'm just like, Okay, the right ones
truly they flow, Yep, they flow. And if you have
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to force it, or if you start getting anxiety, or
if you get a ton of resistance, or if it
feels super heavy or it makes you feel sick, then
like your body is like saying no, yeah, literally, is
that why you're reading Body Keeps a Score? Why are
you reading that book?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I don't know. Me and Jess were talking about it
the other day and it was more like of a
you have to really like really work through your old
traumas that you don't ruin good things.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
In your life.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Just so true, Like like I was saying, healthy relationships.
I had all this bad stuff in my past and
I was bringing it. But also I was met with
so much compassion with him, and he saw through all that.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Was it instant with Mark absolutely, like y'all saw each
other and it was.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like no, the literally literally and it wasn't like everybody's
like love it first sight, love it first sight. No,
it was like I've known him my whole life at
first sight.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I had lifetimes together.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
That's what it felt like. And and I talked to
I had to write the other day with a husband
and wife. They're not a duel, but they work together.
And she was like, yeah, love at first I She's like,
that wasn't it for me either. It was like I
felt like I've known in my who life. And I
was like, that's how I felt too. It was just
like I don't know, It's like something I've never experienced before.
It's just easy. Life is just easy. He's he's my son,
(16:20):
like your son. I don't have childred. No, I have
a dog his name is Dallas, but he's like the
closest thing to a son I have. But yes, he's
like the sun in my life. I'm sometimes the clouds
and I try.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
To get you are not the clouds? Why are you
say that?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Sometimes? Because I could be negative and I think it's
just because of my past experiences. I can just be
negative about my career and things like that myself and.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Get a self talk spiral. Do you catch yourself though,
like do you know when you're doing it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And I'm like, girl, get out of it, go walk
for a walk.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Go.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I used to never know I had bad self talk.
That's another thing. I used to not even realize that
my talk in my head was I had the ability
to change it. I didn't know that for a long time.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
You can.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And it's not true. It's all based on your past
programming yep, and so it's just there to try to
keep you safe.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Interest of thoughts are not real. No, you are not
your thoughts and you're not all your feelings right. It's
a lot of it has to do with your past
and you have to like kind of but I feel
like as you work through it, you find who you
are and like, I don't know, Like I talked to
my therapist. She's like, intuition is quiet, fear and anxiety
is loud. So I've learned how to differentiate between the two.
(17:27):
And I feel like I've just I'm at a place
now in my life. I'm like, mentally so clear. It
took a while to get here.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
But you're only twenty five.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But I feel like once you go through so many
traumatic things so young, it's like, right, I feel like
I'm like thirty something.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, you have some big life lessons.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And I hang out with my friends and they're like,
all still like being silly and dumb, and.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I don't have to have this.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I'm like, or they'll be like, oh, this happened to
me today. I'm like, guys, I promise you, I'm not.
I'm not much older than you or like older than
you at all. It's fine no matter how bad you
think it's going to be, or how scared you have
of that thing happening. What's the worst that can happen? Right?
I feel like your brain sometimes chantastrophizes so much more
and you fear something so much more than what it
(18:07):
actually would it actually totally worst case scenario. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
You're wise cat, I'm just cat. So when you became
a solo artist, was that nerve wracking?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
It was so fun?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It was fun. Okay, so you were like liberated?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, the girl was for read. I was like Lord.
At first, I think it was nerve wracking because I
was like, what are people expecting of me?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Now?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Was it hard to get momentum going or was the
momentum already going.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I don't even I don't know. I wasn't even thinking
about any of that. I was just like, you know what,
like I just want people to get to know me
for me, because I feel like for so long I
didn't really speak up and I really wasn't I was
I wasn't able to show my full self and I
didn't really know who my full self was yet. So
(18:56):
once I was able to do the solo thing, I'm like, Okay,
this is my time to get to interact with people
and for them to get to get an insight on
me and who I actually am, because I want people
to my fans to fall in love with me for
who I am, like the silly goofy imperfect, because that's
that's that's what's real. I don't want them to see
everything perfect on social media. No, And that's why I
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go live sometimes and I'll post like funny contexts and
like that's who I actually am. I'm not this serious
person that only sings about all this serious stuff. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Like, so it wasn't scary and like getting a record
deal and all that.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't know if I think what was scary was
the big life change. I don't think what was like.
And it was scary, don't get me wrong when I
first did all of it. But after a while I
got into the groove and I had such a supportive
team and like family and friends and just it just happened.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So what is it like when you get the dreams
come true? Like you've gone on American Idol. You were
praised beyond measure. They loved you. You did that journey.
Then you come into Nashville and you start getting a
lot of good feedback, you start getting deals. You know,
people are excited. What is it like when your dream
start coming true? Like? Is it everything you hope to be?
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Or is it different?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It is it is it's it feels different, but it's
like everything you've hoped it would be. But it's almost like,
oh my gosh, now I have to not prove yourself.
But now it's like I can't mess this up, like
I gotta I gotta give it my all. And it's
almost this pressure of like you have to perform every
single time and it's got to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
This feels like your childhood. Yeah, this is like old
your old little little cats speaking up.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Now, what I'm working on is like enjoying every single
step of it, the good, the bad, and just not
waiting for the other shoe to drop or waiting for
the next incredible big thing to happen. It's like I'm
enjoying even the little things like being being able to go.
I don't even know, Like we're gonna be performing at
a couple of shows in Chicago and it's not gonna
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be this crazy. It's not the Operty, but it's still
incredible in its own way, and it's new people that
I'm gonna get to sing with and like have that
experience with and hopefully become lifelong fans. And then one day,
hopefully I'm playing in a stadium and they're there and
I can see them and we're like, oh my god,
I remember you from five years ago, and we create
that like almost like a family bond. Like I want
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my fans to feel like they're a part of this
family and for it to feel more like of a yeah,
like I literally for it to feel more like a family,
not so much of a fan and artist.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You know. Yeah, what what did your family think about
you being a singer? Did they always know or was
it like did you have to like convince them.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I think I had to convince them for a little while,
and then once they saw that everything was working, they
were like, yeah, we can't hold her back, She's gonna
do it. So they've been nothing but supportive, and I
don't know, I couldn't have done it without them.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Was it hardly be in Miami? Your family's from QBA?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, so my parents were born in Cuba. They came
to the United States Florida, Miami. They met in Miami.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
How old were they when they came to Miami, like
three and four?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I think? Okay, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And they met in Miami.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
They met in Miami.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
And do you think they were drawn to each other
because they're both from Cuba.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I don't know. My mom says that they went on
like a date and she had like deja vu and
like she was like that, She's like feels like she's
known in forever. And I'm like, Mom, I had that. Now,
I get it, why you Yeah, it all makes sense,
But I don't know. They've always been really supportive. They
did have me very young. Were they twenty one? Okay?
Which is I mean very young? Weird? Like nowadays I
feel like people having kids at eighteen.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, but I mean that is young because you're just
like getting started and I have a baby and barely
not a baby.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, yeah they did. I mean I hope they feel
like they did a great job. Yeah, definitely didn't expect
their daughter to do this, but I feel like they
have fun coming to the concerts. Oh yes, getting dressed up.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Do you like when you moved from Miami to Nashville.
Was it a big deal? Did you move here with
your former husband or were y'all stationed out of Florida?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Uh? We moved here together, okay, and we both.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Had You're just so brave, like all these things you've done,
it's such a so much.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I remember calling my parents on face. I'm like crying
every single dame like what am I doing? Like I
don't know what I'm doing it.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, but it's it's so nerve wracking to do all
these things you've done, Like you've gotten married, you've gone
a TV show, you've gotten divorced, you've moved to Nashville,
Like that is like big, big, big. That's why you're
saying like you don't it's you can handle stuff because
you went through such big life moments.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
It taught me to trust myself one and to do
what you feel is right and what everybody everybody else
thinks is their opinion. You'd have to do it right
for you. You're not gonna make everybody happy. And I'm
still working on that one.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But how do you know when it's right for you?
What does it feel like? Do you feel it in
your body?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I feel it in my body, but it's almost like
a soul thing. I don't know. Yeah, I don't need
anybody any more to agree with me or like have
the same like before. Like, but I would say, oh,
I want to do this and I believe in this.
My parents would be like, I don't know if that's right,
and then I'd listen to them and I'm like, shit,
I should have done the other.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Thing and filtrate your decision and you doubt yourself.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
But now you're like, you know, no, I know I've
done I've been through hard been through hard things.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I want to said the S word, Hey you can,
you can drap it like it's hot, been.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Through, been through really hard things. I've gone through things
I didn't think I could get through. I now know
what I want and who I am so what everybody
everybody else thinks. It's like I don't want to say,
not my problem, but it's like that's their opinion, and
that's okay for them to have an opinion. But I
don't have to listen to them. I can listen to me.
I gotta do it makes me happy. Now you have
to and I've never done that before.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Well you have to because you know what happens when
you don't.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I know the I know the opposite, and.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You can't do that.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, your time is your life is too precious, and
you learn such a valuable lesson, but you're not going
to do that again. Look at you learning though, like
you know what it is.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's one thing that I love. I love to learn it,
and I know I'm not always right, so I just
and you only learn this. You gotta hit your head
on the rocks sometimes.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So yeah, I've huit my head on the rocks so
many times.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You're so smart.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I'm telling you, y'all this generation, your age and like
Maddie too, like y'all are so wise, Like how do
you know all this stuff?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
It took me forever going through enough traumatic shit.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But I mean, I just feel like you are so
far ahead of the game. When I was twenty five,
I was a disaster really mentally. Yes I had I
mean I knew I'd had stuff to work on and that,
but I hadn't really started therapy. I didn't really know
therapy existed. I was just drinking and partying and trying
to like find my way and feeling super insecure the
whole time. I mean not that everyone doesn't feel insecure,
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but like I thought that was the truth. I didn't
realize that that was just like part of it. Yeah,
you know, I didn't know all these things that you
know crazy. I know you're destined for big things. The
fact you already know this at such a young age,
like the fact that you've got no.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Am I ready for retirement kind of.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You have like a fifty year old wisdom.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
But that's how I like, literally all my friends are like, oh,
that's got a Broadway and I'm like, I can't waste time.
Can we just like go to like a little wine
bar maybe, or like come to my house and have
wine and like hang out, Like what's.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
A perfect night for you?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Are you ready? You're gonna be like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'll be like, can I come over?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Please?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Tell me?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Involves a bath Mark and I go to Actually we
take Dallas on a walk, okay, like around the gulch. Okay,
go to Trader Joe's.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Get you love Trader Joe's.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Pick what we're gonna make for dinner. We make dinner together,
watch a movie. That's my perfect that's my perfect night,
perfect everything.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Don't you feel like everything at Trader Joe's is like
good for you?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
No, and it's like fun and it's cheap.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So y'all will walk in there and you'll just like
pick it out.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Like you could pick the wine, and then I'll pick
the food because I'm like kind of picky.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
You a great cook?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yes, I think I would hope. So what you're special?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I know I was gonna say, if you had to
learn all these things as a kid, what's your specialty?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
What's my specialty? I feel like I cook everything like
I never cooked the same thing twice. Like yesterday we
made lobster bisk pasta. You just whip that out.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, you just made lobster biss pasta like this.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
We looked up on TikTok and we were like, Okay,
we're gonna do this. Yeah, Oh, it's just like fun.
I don't know, I like, I like I like cooking
and I like baking. Now I didn't. I didn't really
like it before, but like now I'm like, oh, I
want to cook and like bake, and like.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
That's amazing, you know, Cat, I'm so impressed with you.
I'm literally like in awe of just like I told
you you were, like you are fifty, but you're such
a hot twenty five year old. That's what I'm just saying.
Like the world is your oyster. The fact that you
have this brain and this body, I'm like, this is
good news, Like I feel honestly, I'm so excited to
see artists your age who are so in tune with
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their mental health and who are so aware of like
how important it is to be like not just like
physically beautiful and like killing yourself in your career, but
like it's also like, okay, let's really make sure that
our heads are on straight and that you're doing okay mentally,
because you're gonna trickle that onto your audience and like
you're an example to your fans. That's like this is
so important, you know, and even your music, like the
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songs that you're writing about. It's like, Okay, you're prioritizing yourself.
You're prioritizing making sure that you are the best version.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Of yourself because if not, it's like, if you're not
the best version of yourself, you're not gonna be a
good version for anybody else around you, Like you're gonna
impact everybody around you. Which also you have to I
don't know, you have to like check yourself and make
sure that you're okay, because if not, all the bad's
and the spill hunt everyone that you care about. And
I take that because I'm like, if I have a
bad dam, I'm like, oh, I gotta go to the
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gym and I gotta do this before I go re
Mark's house and we have dinner because I don't want
that to pour over. And some days it does. But
that's okay, that's amazing, that's okay, it's OZD. But you know, oh,
I learned that too. I learned that because I'm like,
I always felt like I had to be perfect and then.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And you can't show that you're not, that you're not,
that you're struggling.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And no, no, I know it's okay, but it's also it's.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Like it's knowing. It's like, Okay, I'm struggling right now
and knowing that and then being able to like express
it and not put it on someone, but just claiming
what it is, you know, And just because you're struggling
in this moment, this is what I've realized. It's just
because you're having a moment, that doesn't mean that's who
you are. You're just like in this particular moment. Yeah,
and that's why you call your best friend. What's your
best friend?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Said Natalie.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Natalie, and You'rena's unload.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Is it like how you just like clean it out?
Does she tell you everything? And you tell her everything?
And then you give each other advice and like you
clear it all up. So whatever you're worried about about
the end of.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
The phone call, like it was just a tip for good.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, that's so important to have those kind of friendship.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
She's she's I mean, she's been there, she was there
other day I was born. Like we're like best friends
since we're babies.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Talk just every week, every single day, every single day.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, and she'll be like today with ship and I'm like, okay,
you gotta tell me, it's to why and I'll be like, oh,
today I wanted to kill somebody and she's like oh,
and then I'll be like she's.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Like, oh my god. Really yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Does she live in Miami?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Oh? Jacksonville?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Man, okay, So what is life like for you now
that you're like so mentally stable? I mean, you're not
out there wrecking your life, which is awesome. You're in
a great career. You have this awesome is it EP?
Is an epier album album?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
EP that you release that girl or releasing or released?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
We already released and that was we started working on
that two years ago. It was like two years of making.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Okay, okay, So now you're just like doing shows. What
are you loving these much? What is your like life
like as kat Luna out there in the wild?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I love that now I have a work life balance,
Like I have my life. I can go home, I
have marketd ells at home and have my friends and
then I go to work and it's like it's like
handah Montana, Like I literally have the blonde wig even
though it's not a way y'all your hair is great?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Is that there's all your hair that's thick hair right there.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It's my hair's thick. It's just short right now.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, well that's great.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I have like my home life and it's incredible. And
then I go to work and it's like, okay, it's
game time and I can do all these things. And
then after the end of the day, I'm like, okay, So.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Do you write every day? Is that what you do?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Is I write? Yeah? Like I have it right? Please?
What Tuesday? H God bless My schedules are always like
my head on tomorrow. I don't think I have a
right tomorrow. Tomorrow's my packing day because i'mleaving to Florida
for East your fan. Yeah, and then there are I
have to finish a rite with I'm the married couple
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that I was talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
So do you write every day almost like the two
or three times a week? Do you get burnt out?
Or do you like it?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I do it only that much. So I used to
be like four or five Yeah, I give me. And
then I was like, wait, balance, I kind of I'm
starting to resent this. I don't want to do that.
So I keep it two to three so that I
come fresh every single day, and I just like continue
to be hungry and like I continue to like pour
my heart in because I love it. I don't ever
want to not love it. And I know there's gonna
be days like that, and I do have days like
I don't love writing, but then I'm like I get
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there and I'm like, oh, this is actually sick.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I was an artist back in the day, and I
was not meant to be an artist. So this is
like how you know when you're not doing the correct thing.
But I'm glad it was a part of my life. Yeah,
because for ten years I was in a trio and
then we transition to another band, and I would write
every single day, and every single time I would go
into the writing room, I hated it. I really hated it,
like hated it. And I tried to play guitar for
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fifteen years and I could never learn how to play,
Like I never wanted to play it, Like I just
didn't like it, yeah, you know, and and then on stage,
like I liked it, but I was like, why was
I forcing myself to try to be a performer, you know,
because I just didn't know that it led me to
where I am now. So it all like looking.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Back, isn't your husband a performer too.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, he's in a band a thousand horses. He loves it,
like he loves to ride, he loves to perform, like
he's just like probably like how you talk about it,
like it's just like it's your life, it's your destiny.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Literally, and I feel like, obviously at the end of
the day it is our jobs. And sometimes it does
feel like that, but the good days outweigh the bad.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, Like do you just always see yourself doing this? Yeah,
and it's just like it's who is.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I'm like, what else am I going to do? Be
an accountant?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Well, I mean your voice is so good too, when
you're born with that voice.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I mean I just could I don't even know if
I could do be like I'm horrible with numbers.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, definitely don't be an accountant.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Couldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
That's like the worst option.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I mean, I'd probably be on TV or something. I
like being funny, like urb a comedian.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You think, okay, so you like jokes.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
My humor is like sometimes not good for everybody.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Some people tell me tell me can it's not even
like it's like more like just off the cuff, but
can you give me like a I need to know.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I couldn't even like, it's got to be like I
feed off of people like I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Being a comedian to me would be the most stressful
job in the entire world.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Would laugh at my jokes. I'd be the one laughing
up there at myself. So then maybe they laugh because
they feel bad. I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
You know who I think is funny. Is that Nate
Gargets Barbette.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Or get Gargets be or whatever. Yeah, so funny, funny
as hell.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Because he's just like the best dad humor I've ever
heard in my life. And I'm like, oh my god,
she's so funny.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
She's freaking hilarious.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I'm like, oh, I feel like she has a podcast?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Does she? If she doesn't, she should.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You need to go on there, y'all need to.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Be freaking hilarious. I would love that. Yeah. Me and
I did this thing for CMT Woman of Country.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Oh congratulations next Woman of Country, right.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
She They lied to me. They were like, Oh, you're
gonna go have like you're gonna film some miners and like, A,
I don't even know it fully exactly what you guys said.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
You just get surprised with it recently.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Literally like it was like three months ago.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
That's a big deal. Yeah, to be Auntie's next Woman
of Country.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
It was insane and like they didn't even tell me anything,
and they were like and then the lady comes and
she's like, oh, Laura Landey's an interview and I was like,
I look at just and I'm like, something's happening here.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Laura Elena was in the interview yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I was like what. And I sit down like oh, Hi,
like what And then she's asking me a couple of
things and then she's like, well, I didn't just bring
it here for this, and I was like what the
I literally looked at her. I was like, she was like,
Y're sending TMT next to a coature. I was like,
no way. It was insane.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They just assume everyone's gonna say yes. Obviously, no one's
gonna mark Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I politely declined no. I was like, oh my gosh,
I'm sorry, but I just can't. I didn't want to
sing anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I'm like, oh, I mean, is that just like a
thrill of your life? Is that one of the biggest moments?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
It was just like, oh my god, I remember I
got in the car and I was just like and
but me and her were joking around a lot of
stuff before the camera's rolling, and when the cameras we
were rolling. She's great.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I like, she's so funny, She's so fun I love
Laura Lena. I feel like she's got such a great attitude.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
She does. She's like she's yes, said, she's eating it,
she's killing it.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
What does it mean when you are a next woman
of country?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Like?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
What does that? What are the what does that entail?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Oh my goodness, I don't even know how I'm there
with all of the girls just.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And also is that Mariah there?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Oh, I love her.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
She's great.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
She's great.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I haven't met her in person yet, but we've like
DMed and stuff like that. So yeah, I feel like
I'm gonna meet her soon.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I've got y'all do things together.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I think we are gonna I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Okay, it's just unfolding. Yeah, but I mean, okay, So
tell me some other things that have like blown your
mind for what that have just happened to you that
you can never have dream What happened.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Playing the Grand ol Opry dream Opry debut, And it
was like for the hundredth year, which is insane, Like,
what a cool number. Even though I'm not good with numbers,
but that.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Number school, well, we're definitely not gonn to count it.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Nope, no accounting here, no, no number of skills. It
was insane when I played there, it was just like
a holy crap, I kid had never imagine that would
have been, but it is. But I did this mm hmm.
And it's just getting to move back. You're getting my
rerec or deal, getting my publishing deal, getting to work
with alongside such incredible people. It's just every single day
I wake up and I'm like, no matter how bad
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I'm feeling or whatever, I'm like, thank you God, one
for another day and two forgetting for me getting to
live my dream with the most incredible people. For everything
I've ever prayed for, I have it now. Really?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Are you an avid prayer?
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Do you like write down deliberate prayers? No?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I literally off the cuff every single night. Okay, whatever
I'm feeling, because I'm like, you know what I feel
like Sometimes people see God is like it's like it
has to be perfectly thought out before you pray, and
it's like, no, He's he's my best day. We talk
every single night. I pray and I'm like, you know what,
Please protect my relationship, protect my family, protect my friends,
and help me be the best version of me for
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myself and for everybody around me. Help me show up
and help me be there for everybody the way you
are there for me.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Have you felt God like a real presence from God?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Especially in the last after everything bad happened. I felt
it more now than ever in my entire life.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Isn't that interesting that, like in the midst of like
the valley, like you felt God the most after Yeah?
Why do you think that is because you're open to
like receiving or what?
Speaker 3 (37:12):
What?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
How did you feel Him in a way that you
hadn't felt them before?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Just it's like everything in my life, I've realized that
it's from Him, and that is truly what I want.
Brings this unexplainable piece, And I had never had this
that type of piece ever, ever, ever, ever and anything
I've ever had. I had everything I ever wanted in
the past, or so I thought there was no peace there.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Ever and what would that be like? Just like the marriage, the.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
The career, everything whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
It felt like it was all.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Like it was everything I ever wanted, but I never
had any peace, and now everything I have everything. Peace.
There's the key my relationship. There's piece in my job.
There's peace with my friendships. There's peace with myself and
the relationship and myself. There's peace even working out. I'm like, oh,
this is peaceful, Loki. I'm dying, but I'm like peace.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
So peace is your standard.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Piece is my standard.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
If you're an I'm not feeling peace.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
If I don't feel peace in my heart and my soul,
then it's not right.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
It's not from God. Wow. Does that give you confidence
to trust?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Absolutely? And that's why I feel like now I trust
myself more than.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Ever and to walk into that because you kind of
have to walk blindly into this career because it's like
you're charting your.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Own Yeah, it's just life.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, it's like you don't really know what's going to
come next. Like you got surprised with Santy, your next
one of the country. You didn't know that was coming.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's gonna totally the best I can every I'm gonna
wake up every single day, show up the best I can,
and do the best I can. Whether that's twenty percent
of myself for some days and fifty or one hundred,
I'm just gonna be me and do the best I can.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
And then if you are presented with an opportunity or
a situation and you have peace about it, yeah, that's
how you know. That's how you know God is with you.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I love that. So what happens your whole life blows
up though, you know, because it's gonna happen again. But
then we just trust that God's doing that because God now, Yeah,
and it honestly, sometimes the destruction is so necessary.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
It was so necessary because I was living in a
bubble and thank God the bubble got popped.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
And it's always absolutely painful.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
And life is ever changing and you're ever growing. But
it's just like I don't know, like I'm at the
point of my life that I want to just grow
and I want to learn, and I want to because
resistance is good. That's growth. That's where you find growth.
But it's like, you know the difference between good resistance
and the one that you you should back away from.
And I'm leaning into the resistance of growth because I'm like, oh,
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it's it's so much easier to stay the same and
stay who you are and not grow because yeah, it's comfortable.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Really, ultimately, it's not easier because then you live your
whole life and resentment knowing that you're not being the.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Person that you're mean to be.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So it feels like it's easier because you're not actually
doing the work.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Say how I lived back then and now I'm like
the resistance. I'm running towards your sister hide, I'm coming Like, yeah,
it's hard, but I want it. Hard things are what
at the end of the day, what's worth it? What
makes your life worthwhile? Where you grow, where you learn,
where you just like, I don't know, like I've found
this love for life again that I never thought I
could have.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Is that Do you feel like that's where young Again
came from? That song made me feel like so excited.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I freaking love that song. That's the one song out
of the whole that one and Happy It's I've ever
been that. I'm like twenty, I'm singing in my car,
like I never played my songs in the car, but
those two are the.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Ones because they actually fire you up.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, And like the stuff I'm writing now, I'm like,
I'm so excited for everybody here because like that other
stuff is like that's so two almost three years ago,
like yuck, but.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
You know what, you got it out of your system.
And I feel like that's how my husband always is
whenever he okay and.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
And not yuck to the songs because I love all
the songs, but you're just passing. It's almost like you're
done motions everything, like been there, done that says like
I want you guys to hear.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Like where you are now, I'm not now. That's how
my husband always is. Like he wrote an album and
it was like such a great album and like just beautiful,
and then the second it's done, he's like if I
never heard those songs again, it's too soon. But it's
like they're the best in the whole world.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
But you live with it, and like people don't realize this,
but we live with it for so long. From writing from.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Out, you're literally like pouring your intestines.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Like you're living your trauma. But that's why it's like, no,
I'm like everybody's like how you're doing my Like I'm
freaking I and I'm living life. I've already lived it
a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You got it out, Parkore Parkour, Yeah, park Parkour. What
do you do for thunder relax? Well, I know what
you do with your with your boyfriend, but like what
do you do like just for yourself, like if you
need a day of like just like recentering resetting my.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Moms to be like, why do you do that? I
go to the tanning bed something not anymore any morning
where my mom.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Said not to do any more, not anymore like last week,
two days ago. We looked very freshened tan.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
It's a fake tan. I listened to my mom, and
mom's a nurse, and I'm like, okay, Mom, I'm not
going to get skinn cancer. I don't want to die early.
But I go to the tanning bed. Or I go
and I get like a little coffee from a cute
little coffee shop, and I'll bring Dallas with me and
we'll have a little coffee. I'll pull the windows down.
I've lately been loving Ben Rector so much. He's the
freaking man. Mark introduced me to him, and I'm like,
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I fucking love him, and we went to see him
at he opened for Dan and Jay.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
He's so great.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Last year, the year before, no, last year.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Maybe you know what I love about him? He he's
been unconventional the whole time with his career, like he's
just grown it and just sinking. Yeah, and he's just
and he's funny. He's so funny.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Concerts he was so funny and like so personable and
like his music is so real and it talks about
real life and like there's one that's called like Old Friends,
and every time I play it, like I literally cry
because I'm like, nobody's gonna know me better than my
friend Natalie, Like like nobody knows the roads that we know.
Nobody knows our parents like we know them were like
the little things we used to do when we were kids.
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Like I don't know all his music. I love He's.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Married to a Waco girl. I'm from Waco really, so yeah,
we do a Waco dinner once a year at their house.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
I love him now, So have you ever seen him again?
Be like Kat is obsessed with you.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well everyone that I that's weird, but everyone I talk
to is obsessed with beIN Rector, Like he will just
love the director.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
It's like if I have a bad day, literally turned
his music out and I'm like that wasn't even that bad.
I'm fine. I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Isn't that the beauty of music though?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Music? And that's what I hope my music is for
everybody A healing.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, well it is because you're actually pouring your heart
out into it. And I feel like anything that is
real connects. That's really the ticket, because if it's real
from you, then you know other people feel it. It's
when you're trying to do something because you're trying to.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
I'm done trying. I'm just I'm like, I'm gonna be.
I'm gonna be, and whoever is gonna like is gonna like.
And if they don't, they don't.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
You will land or you're supposed to land, and you
don't have to live the rest of your life trying
to keep up with whoever's with you because you don't
know why they're with you to begin with. I'm just me.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I'm just this is my thing. I'm just Cat. Everybody's
like you're still or something. I'm just got whatever that entails,
that's me and I'm gonna embrace it and I'm gonna
love it and I'm gonna do the best I can
with what I have and who I am.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I freaking love it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Kat.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
You're you're you're a rock star.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I've lived too long trying to be what everybody else
wanted me to be and do whatever whatever everybody else
wanted to be me. Oh tongue twister. I've done so
many things that I didn't want to do but I did.
But now I'm doing everything that I want because I
know who I am and life is so much more
peaceful and better. Yep. And I can't explain it. It's
just like this and everything. You just know. You just
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know when we started the conversation with you're just.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Not gonna do it again. I love that. Okay, I'm
gonna wrap up and then can you can I ask
you a few questions just for a little quick bonus,
that's okay. I always wrap up with leave your light,
and it's super open ended. What do you want people
to know?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Just drop some inspiration to know that there is light
at the end of the tunnel, and like, yes, you
might be going through something really hard right now, but
it always gets better. It always does, and it doesn't
stay bad for very long. Like I promise you'll probably
wake up tomorrow and you're like, oh my god, yesterday
you laugh at it, but you.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Just have to take have the courage to move through it.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Right, It's okay to feel other things other than happiness. Yes,
it's okay to feel sad. It's okay to feel disappointed.
It's okay to feel like you're not enough. It's valid,
it's okay, but it's not who you are. So key,
You're more than that.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yes, amen. Kat Luna in the House twenty five years old.
Wisdom of a fifty year old, Body of a goddess.
I mean you're true. I mean walk I'm telling you,
you walk in and you are a vision. It's hard
for people. It's hard for people not to be moved
by you. Just be because you have such a presence
about you. If people tell you that, I do feel that.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
It looked like a rat before I came here, but
thank you took it took some work.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well, I'm sorry that I look like a rat.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Literally, you have no makeup on or anything. She's perfect.
If I if I looked like her, I would show
my face everywhere. I'd literally be annoying. I'd be everywhere.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Well, I started a new SKINNERU tine cat and so
my face every day.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Drop the link. That's all I gotta say. I like
to put it all in there cart wherever it's from God.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Too many things to keep up with. That's the thing.
This same age you to put everything online. I can't
do it.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Very more. I'm more private, not about but you can.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Make some dollars. I just can't do it.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
I gotta do it.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Okay, Cat, you're the best. We're gonna do a quick
little I ask you some very personal questions. Tell me more.
It's gonna be a bonus episode. Everyone in Thursday. Thank
you so much for joining me. You're amazing.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Thank you for having me, inviting me. This is like
the sickest thing. Your daughter's so cute, your dogs are adorable,
like your gorge and like it's so funny too. Have
you Okay? Christen Bell from that show Nobody Wants Us
you remind me so much for her.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
People have told me that, Why do you think that?
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Because one you guys sound the same in a good way.
But I love I love christ and Bell. She's very
personable and like, you're not afraid to be yourself and
I like that.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Thank you. I get Kristen Bell, that's great, okay, I
like that amazing.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
And she's also gorgeous. So who do you get dually,
but where she's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
That's what Katy Perry called you. Yeah, she said you
don't find.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Her darker anymore, and I don't think I ever will.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
But you can do both. You're one of those that
can do both.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
But I'm meant to be blonde.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Okay, I've dyed my hair brown before. I feel totally different.
I just felt and I love brown hair, like I
think it is so gorgeous on people that like when
I put it on myself.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
And I just don't feel like me.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I just felt I didn't take it off. So being
blonde makes you feel like yourself. It's an interesting hair color,
doesn't I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
I feel like I feel like I have a light
in me, so like my hair is like it just
reflects how you feel, how I feel on the inside.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Like your shurk eyebrows with it, it's very great. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Can't hide from it, I mean, don't.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Why would you.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
I need to get in pluck though. Don't look too
close to the brows popping.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Okay, Cat Luna, you're amazing. Okay, tell us what we
need to be looking for, like music, follow you all
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Follow me, Cat Luna official catlet Music. Oh my god, Jess,
can you believe I got it wrong? Cat Luna cat
Luna Music everywhere and cat Luna on Spotify. All all
my songs are on all streaming platforms.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Cat Luna love me so much. We're gonna do tell
me more quick, little extra bonus episode, and then we're
going to be out of here. Okay out, bye bye
Host
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