MADDIE & TAE: Getting Real About What a Woman Can Do

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When are you having that baby?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm having this baby November.

Speaker 3 (00:02):
I'm going to be bumping along out there. You're going
to be like massively pregnant, and you're like.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
What a woman can do? I mean serious, That's.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Exactly why we wrote that song that there couldn't be
a more perfect title for where we are in our lives.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Carne, She's a queen and talking and a song.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
She's getting not afraid to.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Feel episode, so just let it flow.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
No one can do we quiet.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
Cary Lone is sound, Caroline.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I am so excited to be here with Maddie and Tay.
You guys, y'all have come. Y'all came were my first interviews,
like years and years ago. Oh my god, right, so
many things have changed since them.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
So many things, yes, like y'all different record label, different management, Yeah, husband, babies.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I mean, y'all have grown up in country music.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I was driving over here listening to y'all songs and
I just started crying, and I was like, I'm just
so proud of y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:10):
Y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
I mean, I really do have tears in my eyes.
Y'all came into this career when y'all were like teenagers.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
We did.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, y'all met at a and when you're like fifteen
or something, right, yes, and formed to do stuck together,
came to Nashville.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Y'all have weathered this storm together of just figuring.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Out the industry.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
And now your moms and your touring moms, and you
have number ones and you have so much success and
you've like you've toured a Carrie Underwood, you're doing your
own headlining tour and just like, oh, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's hard to do.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
And I know you know how hard it is too,
So yeah, it is so hard, so hard to weather
the storm. Yeah, And just like I think, no matter
how many years we've had in this business or like
success or anything, there's still that doubt that like always
creeps in. I think that's just like a human thing,
not just a music business thing, but especially in the

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music business, it's so easy to compare yourself to others
in their journeys.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Or you know whatever, and.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Especially when it's always changing, I mean always changing the
way that the industry was when we first came onto
the scene.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know, right, what was it like when you first
came out? Because you're like thirty now, right, you are
still so thirty, the fact that you've done you know,
you're not even thirty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had, dude,
I'm excited for thirties.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Twenties were brutal.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Tell me about the twenties, y'all are not and y'all
were doing the twenties in the public ie. You're changing
record labels, you're being a woman in the music industry.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Like, talk to me about your twenties. Lots of trauma therapy.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
But two of us, what were the traumatic moments?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh my gosh, Well, I guess we'll leave out the childhood.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
And our twenties. I think it was really just like
because our early early twenties, that's when the label shut
down started DOT. We were Yes, we were on a
branch of Big Machine and at the time it was
called Dot and we were like the very first artists
that they signed, like the older when y'all got signed eighteen,
I think.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
You're eighteen, and we were their first.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Number one, like we were their golden child.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
So y'all came in, got a record deal on Big Machine. Yes,
had a number one song, Yes, a girl in a
country song. Y'all were calling out bro country.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
From the start.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I mean y'all been making a statement since the beginning, not.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Scared to speak up. I think it was just we're
really nive, No I bro country was like ruling the charts.
You were like, I want to be that girl in
a country song.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Called it Out, and I think we wrote that song
as a joke like it. We were like, we're just
gonna play because we were playing like writers' rounds at
like Puckets or whatever restaurants because we were still like
seventeen and couldn't, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Play broad We didn't.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
We never did Broadway, which I think that was God
like protecting us from that. Like Icky, I think it
just gets a little funky down there, and it smells
terrible too, so.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
We probably would not have lasted long.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
But we didn't do Broadway because we weren't old enough
to do it. And so we're like, oh, this will
just be a fun song to play like a writers'
rounds that we do, you know, every weekend and make
tips to pay rent and you know all that kind
of stuff. And then Scott Boorshet I heard that song,
and then I mean, how do you hear it?

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Were y'all like pitching yourselves or do you just like
hear you in a writer's round.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Pan South Round.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, So y'all were discovered at a writer's rounds, like
the good old dream like come True, Yeah, go.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Ahead a dream Come True?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Abso frequently a label heard you singing and said I
want to sign you.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, yeah, literally yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Then everything happened so backwards, like we literally wrote the
song a couple of months later, played it at ten
Pan South, and then we signed our record contract in
the studio, cutting girl in a Country Song.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
It was so, y'all, so fast, fast, fast, and prior
like we had three years of you know, writing and
kind of like you know, being in the studio and building.
But three years is a really short amount of time,
you know, in the grand scheme of things, like this
is a you know, they say a ten year town,
and we've you know, been here for like twelve and

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still you know, we're still kind of you know, navigating
and trying to you know, find our way. And I
don't know if that ever goes away, it's probably a
good thing, though.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Okay, So you get signed, yea, yeah, growing a country
song comes out?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
What happens next? Rocket ship? Rocket ship? Yeah, we are
on radio tour. Yeah, do you remember any of Yeah,
not much.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
We went on radio tour and it was like the
most chaotic radio tour, Like the third day of radio tour,
so we got to be on a tour bus for
radio tour, which one is common, not common.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
You'll are kind of living.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Right, I mean, oh yes, even here getting signed by
a great label, getting a song recorded, and this is.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Not working out as one might dream. Oh absolutely.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Only round fall was like we didn't really get to
eat much because there just wasn't time for like lunch
and dinner.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
So we I were just too busy. Oh my god,
I lost so much weight. I was already ninety. I
mean I was just like skin and.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Bone because working you to the bone. Yeah literally literally.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
But so we're but like, for example, on like our
third day of radio tour, we get on the bus
and we had a bus because they wanted to run
with like, I mean, it was a new label, so
they wanted to bring like five of the.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
People to like introduce to radio.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
It wasn't necessarily I mean, we're so introducing you and
the label and at the same time. Yeah, so it
was a big deal.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
It was a big moment.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
It was a big which was actually great because then
everyone's super paying attention exactly.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
And so like third day of radio tour, we're on
the bus and our bus driver didn't make a clearance
and literally seared that we got in this awful bus act.
I always wondered if that would happen, if you would
like scrape the top of the building.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
It was like a startine kanvaslly.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Did the did the roof come off? The air units
just started dropping like these.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Fistos titter in the heads.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Stop it four air units just drop, drop, drop, and
then and then the bus driver kept driving for like
a mile.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, and we're like, dude, you need to pull over.
We have to get off this bus.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
And the funny part of the slot, see the ceiling's
falling in the ceiling and y'all are driving.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
We think we're done. Are you like in the front lounge?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
And how are you bracing for impact here?

Speaker 4 (07:04):
We're just screaming and like dodging whatever we can.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
And so we like stop and like everyone catches their
breath and then we get in ubers and drive three
hours to the next show and we're only thirty minutes
late to the next.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Show, and they were like that is show business.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, show business right there. They were like, don't tell
them that, we just need.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Acted Like why, well, it just doesn't it just like
tell the audience.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, like don't make it a big deal.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, I probably love that.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
I know, right, they'd be like in the world of
everything being so real, I know, TikTok and Instagram and
the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Would be documented. I know. I know also how things
have changed.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
I know exactly like we you know, and I feel
like a lot of artists probably feel this way, but.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Like we didn't really sign up to be uh.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Social media people are like influence content creators. It's because
it is your job being a content creator, like just alone,
just that job is so much work. Like I applaud
the men and women that are out there. Like there's
so many people that like hate on influencers and content creators.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'm like, you just hating.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Because they are hustling hard and making real good money
for their families, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
But it is a full time job.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
And it just doesn't come natural to us. I wish.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
I wish too, because y'all are so fun and amazing.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
When you'll do your videos behind the scenes, like when
you're like doing your breast pods, like the girl in
the green.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Dress all pregnant, your milky.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Boobs and stuff, I'm like, oh my god, I love
y'all so much. Well, it's like, you know, our team's like, hey,
we need a post, and I'm like, okay, I don't
think you like just okay, just a mask, Like I
just can't be serious.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, because it's just so like it can be really cringey.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
And like the lip syncing videos, Oh my gosh, like
we have to do them, but I literally want to
bang my head against a wall because I'm like, I'm
almost thirty years old.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I'm too old for this. Oh wait, I can't.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I not you can guess, oh say anything fly, But
you know, we're trying to like find our way that like.
And then also I'm like, are these young and like
these old girls on TikTok to you?

Speaker 1 (09:04):
We're so young?

Speaker 4 (09:06):
You just feel old because you've lived a million lives already.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah that is, and you're only like twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Because the truth lived like you know, like dogs like
dog years, yes, like kind of the same thing.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yes, yeah, Like eighty five.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think that's why our twenties were so hard, because
we were so young but had so much pressure and
like the weight of the world on our shoulders. And
we had when we were CEOs of a business yet
at eighteen ye and had a whole like company to
run and make decisions and have employees.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
That we had to think about.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
We're to the point like we're we're business owners. We're
touring where moms and like, my tolerance for BS is
zero at this point.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
In our career. I'm like, I'm not apologizing for asking
what we need like empowered.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, girl, I had my days where I'm like, you know,
go back to like how I am where I'm just like, are.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
You a natural people pleaser?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yes? Say Enneagram too.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Okay, so you're a helper too, your god. Yeah, I
don't know why I'm wired that way, but I just
like motherhood and I would love to I know how
you feel about it too, because you you told me
this would happen.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
But motherhood has made me ruthless, Like I will cut
a bold baby.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
So fast if you are killing my vibe or adding
negativity or poison. I don't care if we're blood related
I will cut you out.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Tell me about that. Let's dive into that a little
bit more. What changed, Like what comes over you?

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I think it's just like, you know, for myself, I'm
like I can tolerate a lot of pain and hurt
and all that stuff, But when it comes to my baby,
like I feel this purpose, like like spiritual purpose to
protect him at all costs, not just from like, you know,
because the world's going to break his heart, whether I
want to, you know, come to terms with that or not.

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Like our babies are eventually going to go out into
the world and be grown and go through different kinds
of heartbreak. But as long as my baby doesn't have
to heal from me, I'm happy, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
And so I just want to like, and.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think that's kind of a new generation parentingly, because
I feel like we're kind of the first generation where
like we're so aware of mental health. Yes, and like
I think all who've come before us did the best
they could. But like it just wasn't a thing. People
weren't you at all. It was like put some dirt
on it and move on.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Like I don't don't cry crying, you don't cry et just.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Deal with this.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Therapy.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, it's like therapy so frowned upon, and therapy is
if you're weak, but it's actually we've now we're the
generation that's like, no, actually healing ourselves so we don't
transfer our trauma exactly to our children. Is so strong
and it's so hard. It's so hard to do all
that work.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
And I just love, like I want to, like I want.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
My baby to feel like, you know, just heard and
seen and known fully and like you know, oh girl,
I'm just you know, I think all of us are
just always doing the best that we can for our babies.
But it does make me ruthless because I like if
my like I even learned Postpartu'm like, if my cortisol

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levels are high, like literally these are like chemically proven things,
but like if my cortisol levels are high, that affects
my baby.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
It makes my milk supply go down.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah, he's fussier, like and what gets it high?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
People? That stressed me the hell out and it's not
worth it. You only had so much bandwidth. And like
you said, when you.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Are just you yourself, and especially when you're a young girl,
I feel like, at least for me, I would just
take a lot and just be happy to be in
the room and happy for the opportunity and happy to
be there and happy for like, you know, things moving forward.
But then you have a kid and you're like, oh
my god, yeah, no, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Did I feel that.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Way when you have sunny like where you were just
like I had to find my voice because I would
describe it like that, I found my voice. I remember,
like I had I remember.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
I mean, this is so minor, but like this was
like a huge moment for me and like turning point
because like I had a night nurse a couple of times,
like a couple of nights a week in the beginning,
and I'm already crying again, like oh perfect because I'm
so emo and I forgot to take my med so
I'm just at you know, but I had a night
nurse staying there, and like I was just so freaked out.
I mean I was definitely a helicopter and like so worried,

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and every single thing was stressing me out that you know,
she was gonna die because she's so little, and I
just was so.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
In love with her that like everything freaked me out.
And I went we so felt that too.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah, and the night nurse had put like a blanket
in her crib, and I remember thinking to myself, Okay,
she's older than me, she's a night nurse, she knows
how to do this.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
But I was like, no, I don't think SEP. I
don't get a second chance with this, Like yeah, I'm
gonna cry.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I guess.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
I'm like, I don't get to redo this, Like you
don't like if your instinct tells you something like I
don't get to like mess up, and like if it
goes bad then right.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
You know, it's so minor I'm crying around would have it.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
But I was like I have to speak up. But yeah,
she can't be quiet when I feel something so deeply.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
And man, I felt like my mom instincts.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Like I totally had moments where like I was like, oh,
this person has more.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Experience for me. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
But then also like I think like as women, one
we I feel like society has kind of trained us
to like silence our needs and like just like you know,
put your big girl pants on and just keep going.
But when you become a mom, it's like those instincts
like they're they're there for a reason and kind of
like finding your voice I feel like, you know, find
or listening to our mom instincts and like finding your

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voice kind of went hand in hand for me.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, it's like animalistic, you know. Yeah, yeah, you're like, oh,
there's a blanket in there, I gotta go see.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
In the beginning, though, I was so even scared to
do it because I'm like, I was so out of
my character to like, because I would have never spoken
up for myself.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Funny, Yes, yeah, I would just let.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
It go by and not worried about anything.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
But when you have this kid, it's like, oh, yeah,
I am their voice exactly, and it's like, who am
I going to be?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Am I going to be the one who just.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Like is a wallflower and lets these things wash over
and then I have big regrets and I don't speak
up for her, or am I going to like take
a stand?

Speaker 1 (15:13):
You are such good moms and y'all are doing it
on the road.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, oh my god, yes, it's are you.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Guys crying all the time?

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Oh yeah yeah, wait, switch weekends because we did get
to have a second bus at.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
The beginning of the year.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
But it's just like in this economy, like this podcast
called Get Real, a thousand horses back in a van
because it is so expensive to.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yes, and it's it's like three times the amount that
it was even in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Everything is thirty three percent more expensive for us and
our business from what we've y Yes, And it's just like, so,
you know, is it like, are you going to have
the second bus and get to spend time with your
kids or are you going to pay yourself at the
end of the year.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
I know, And it's yeah, you y'all know, Like and
then what do you do? Can you not bring your
kids if you don't have the second bus? Yeah, yeah
you can't. Yeah, there's just not enough. So it is
such a trade. It's such a struggle, such a struggle.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
We're definitely still trying to find the balance, and you know,
it's live and learn. I've Laten's two and a half,
so I've had a couple of years of trying to
figure out what works for us. Especially with another baby
on the way. We're like, okay, like this definitely makes
things more difficult, but we're we're figuring it out.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, but the babies did really good on the road.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
They're such tour babies. Layton literally loves being on the
bus so much, and every morning she'll wake up and
she'll go, I'm ready to go to the stage, and
I'm like, girl, we got like twelve hours before showtime,
and she just wants to go on the stage while
everyone's setting up, and she wants to sing on the
microphone and play on the drums. Like she is such
a stage baby, and it terrifies me how much she

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loves it. And she'll even like run out on stage
while we're performing and just doesn't even bad enough that
there's an entire audience.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
She's like, yeah, hey for me, thank you for showing up.
I'm excited to see how Forest. Because Forrest is obsessed
with Layton, so I'm sure any plan to have babies
at the same time.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Well, it was kind of the dream totally like Besty dream,
Besty dream, but hers Layton was like a surprise blessing.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yes, Layton was a love baby.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, I love baby.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I love baby.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
And the Forest, I mean Forrest, you know, we were
like ready to start trying, but we were it was
so bizarre, like I have endometriosis and so.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
That's so difficult through it with that.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yes, it's gonna have surgeries or I didn't have to
have surgery, but I've had like two ruptured cysts and
one hemorrhaging. Oh my gosh, like worse than childbirth, honestly,
Like I think I'm a co emergency ce section. O.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, I'm just kidding that. It was terrible, but you
had an emergency sea section too.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
It was rough, and then the epidural wore off, so
I felt it and they had to put me out
cutting you open, yeah, you girl, that it was. It
was the most out of body pain, like literally my
pain tolerance. There's nothing that can hurt me anymore. Like yeah,
I just felt it in a.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Like mom thing where I'm like, oh I've.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Been but yeah, they had to put me under because
I wait all the way because they my epidural wasn't taking.
And then I like this is so gross by I
just felt like all the layers like pop like while
they were cutting.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
And then I like literally was shis I know it
was sick.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
And then my husband was like, you, psycho, I know
that you're not telling them that you can feel this
because you don't want to not meet your baby.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Because I knew they were going to put me under.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
And then you're out for like an hour, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
And so I was like just keep going and they're
like if you can feel it, then that's not good.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
And I'm like, God, are growing. And then and then
I just squealed and they're like you're done. They put
you under. Yeah, And so then and I was, I
like mourned that that, I know, because y'all both have
things you had to mourn.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
And yeah, also with like pregnancy and childbirth, is it
never Sometimes some people get a perfect one of perfect experience.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
But like a lot of traumatic it gets you to
your oh.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
My gosh, what if you have like a traumatic pregnancy,
then maybe you have a great delivery or vice versa
or maybe all of It's like there's trauma somewhere. Absolutely,
And I had to like mourn that for a little while.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
And because it's hard.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
The first second of like your baby being born, you
were under My.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Husband was just like holding him and just waiting for
me to wake up, and I'm just like, look, just like,
you know, the best nap of my life. I'll tell
you that.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
It was probably a blessing, you know, like hey sleep
for a long time and joined this girl when.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
You came up, though, I came out though, Were you
sad or are you able to be in the moment?

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Oh, I was just sobbing happy tears, like, oh my gosh,
she's I don't remember it that well, but Jonah took
pictures and he said, you just kept crying and saying
He's perfect.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I love him. He's perfect.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
He's so stinking cute that boy.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
I do feel like there's these little moments of redemption though,
where it's like, you know, I had a really great
journey and I'm still nursing, Like y'all, I don't know
how this baby's gonna get off my boot because it's
like all he cares about is my boobs.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well look amazing.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
I mean they're gonna be like saggy, floppy brown bags,
but you know, I'm gonna enjoy I know, and I'm like, man,
they look good.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
And then as soon as the brod comes off, I'm like, oh, pancakes,
because that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
And it's like part of me is like just nurse
until I haven't heard the babies.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
So not on pancakes. I don't know. I know it's
a real thing.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
I think breastfeeding for me my goal was like, to
make it a year and I'm there and so thank.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
You amazing and I'm touring too, and touring.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, but ever leak on stage? Oh yeah, for sure,
yeah all the time. And so and I just if
I forgot boob pads done, it was over.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
There's like babies in our meat and greet Matt. He's like,
I'm leaking.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
My boobs are shooting milk out.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
Of your.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
You know, like a T shirt guns. I was like, hey,
I'm like, I.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Mean but all that being said, like breastfeeding was kind
of my redemptive moment for like my traumatic experience. It
was like, because I had such an easy, wonderful time breastfeeding,
it kind of like you know, even me out.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I feel like, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, and then.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
This one little second second better.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yes, I mean Tay, you said this made me cry.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Oh you post something.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
It was like pre term labor day and you're like,
I'll never forget. I'm gonna cry reading I'll never forget
being told I was in pre term labor just twenty
four weeks.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
That's so scary, so.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Scary, sadness to yours confusion.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
We felt it all and then some I cried and grieved,
and I thought my pregnancy birth would be like I
was angry and I felt robbed.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Oh my god, I'm gonna cry. But boy, if I
only knew that we weren't robbed at all. We were blessed.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
The journey is painful, of it was give us the
most beautiful, strong, intelligent little girl who's a daily reminder
to us of God's miracles.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh my god, I know someone was weird. That is
so hard.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
It's that experience.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Did you get birth that at twenty four or five weeks?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I children, you got it for like five weeks.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Actually you got to like almost thirty weeks.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I got to twenty eight. I made it to like
one day into my second.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Because that's like the magic twenty eight weeks, right.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yes, And it was like they just kept telling me, like,
every day that she's in your belly saves three days
in the NICU. And so that was just like I
held onto that.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
And how did you hold her in?

Speaker 2 (22:24):
I mean, so when I went into the hospital, all
was in preterm labor. I was already two centimeters dilated,
but like didn't feel a thing. They were like, do
you know you're having contractions? And I said no, I just.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
You're touring at this part too. Yeah, you're on the road.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
We were on the road. We had just shot a
music video the day before. We were supposed to start
our headlining tour like a month later.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Cancel that, Yes, had to, And I think of one,
you have to. I love that y'all are such great
friends and support each other.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, it's more than a career. It's so much more
than a career with you guys. I love that. Yeah,
it's a life.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yeah, you're building my soulmate, like everything else can kick rocks,
Like my girl's gotta be good, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
But I only went in because I was my cervix
was measuring like a millimeter short or something like. It
wasn't a big deal, but they were like, we'll just
keep an eye on it. And then from the time
I was twenty weeks to twenty four weeks, it went
from like twenty nine to three like it just had
completely effaced. I think that's technically the term. And yeah,
I was just having contractions and I had a bulging sack. Sorry,

(23:29):
that's all I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
How it is.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Freaking warriors, Yes, And the bulging sack means.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
So were like cimeters dilated and then the sack was
like coming out.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Okay, so it was like bulging out of the you know.
But they said, you know, you'll have to stay here
for two weeks at first, and then every two weeks.
It was just like two more weeks, two more weeks.
But I mean I was just laid down. I was
on bed rest and played a lot of Oculus and
watched a lot of TV, did a lot of color.
I tried to stay calm, but I lost my mind.

(24:06):
I I that experience completely altered me.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Tell me what, tell me about it, because I can imagine, yeah,
that would feel.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I mean, it was just scary because there was always
that question of like, if I did have her today,
is she gonna make it? What's going to be wrong
with her? Is she going to need forever, you know,
assistance to breathe, live, walk? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
And she was already tiny because Josh and I aren't
huge tall people, so she was always just measuring net beaty,
tiny girl. But I mean, it was it was awful.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I think the hardest part for me was it was
COVID and it was over Christmas break, so the isolation
was horrible, like no one could come visit.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Us because your husband being there with you Christmas, Josh's
Birthday and New Years.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, and and it was just like you had to
wear masks. So there was just such like a sense
of like separation. There was no connection that I felt
even with Josh. Josh did his absolute best.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
He was so like goofy and silly and kept trying
to make me laugh. But I was just sad and
so depressed.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
But as heartbreaking and as much as that changed me,
I the moment that I held late and I was like,
I do that again, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
And I'm doing it again, hopefully not the hospital part, but.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
You know what, what were those days like?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Because it was still a lot of fear. When she
was born, Yes, totally.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
She was two pounds when she was born, bitty bitty,
So she's born like one day after twenty eight weeks,
twenty eight weeks and five days, I think, And so
she was.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
A micro premie. And every day I would go in
the nic you and I tell Maddie it felt like
I was walking into battle. Like I would walk in
with my bag, my pumping parts, and then I would
scrub in and then I couldn't hold her because when
they're getting hold her, because when they're that little and
you can't really all hooked up. Just yeah, you just

(25:58):
put your hands in the incubator and just lay them
on them. You can't rub them because they're too sensitive
to touch, so you just like lay your hands on them.
And then I fed her through a cotton swab. Her
diaper was the size of a credit card and it
was still too big, I know. And it's so funny
because Layton is.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Like the best baby.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
She's so well adjusted. She's actually like intellectually advanced, which
is crazy.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Age amazing because she's gonna have like brain issues or anything.
You know. She is wild, Like she's literally great sentences
like hey, Maddie, what are you doing today? And I'm
like too, and I'm just like but I feel like
I just get so emotional one just like I mean,
I was just so in awe of Tea and the strength,

(26:45):
but like just seeing Layton and like the.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I don't want to like but it's.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Just so beautiful to see God work that close up
literally you know where like you know, an anytime that
like Joan and I got to go visit them, Like
I just had this peace that like she was gonna
be okay and everything was going to be okay. But
just like seeing this beautiful little pumpkin just like grow
into this little woman and she's just she is a

(27:15):
magical little girl. And like we we call her the
Fomo baby because she just really wanted to be here,
her girl.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
But it's crazy, though, how fear and faith are just
such a close line after you know, like it's like
on that they walk the same line exactly.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Like I felt like God took me to literally the
edge of my tolerance, like you said.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'm gonna broke in all your like I'm gonna push
you as far as you can with your.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Fear, the worst, like the worst version of me, like
the most broken version of these where I got taken
to and then the redemption ever since then is just incredible,
like joy love like tenfold.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
It trumps the fear.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yes, this pain, yeah, it makes me like want to
do that again. I would even go on bed rest
again for you would?

Speaker 1 (28:07):
I would you would go on?

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Do you feel like going to that dark place though
opened you up to a place of love that you
couldn't have experienced otherwise.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yes, it opened me up to connections with people. I
finally learned how to like lean on people because Maddie
knows I'm a very guarded, reserved person. It's hard to
pull the layers at it. I'm like, I'm an onion out.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Every five years I get like I call it the
Tay friendship bomb, where she's like, yeah, so I got
to tell you about this thing, and I'm like what,
And it's just like I should know everything by like
this truth bomb. But no, it's it's like the best though,
because our personalities.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
It's we are you an open book and you're a
shut book? Yes, absolutely, it's.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Perfect, like and she kind of has taught me how
to like, hey, we don't have.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
To share, and that's key. I'm the same as you.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Over Shay Oversharry is actually a little milky boot and.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I don't know what that's lying, but over sharing it
leaks your energy out, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
And I'm I'm a minimal energy kind of gal, so
I can only give when when I can.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
But I think that being so clothes came from.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I think it's just my nature. Like I'm again just
like a minimal I'm not low energy because i I've
got high vibes. High vibes, but minimal energy.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Okay, keep your energy rested and reed.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I have this phrase that we use, like it's called coins,
and it's like how many coins do you have today?
And it's like your energy. So you look up with
five coins and then interactions take one coin, and then
a bad traffic stop takes another coin and all that stuff,
and I probably wake up every day with like three coins, so.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
You're tired every day.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I feel like I relate to you on that always time.
I'm just like like, are you just always kind of
observing people? Yes, oh yeah, and like kind of like
taking it all in, yeah, and like assessing the situation.
It takes a lot of energy to constantly be assessing
the situation too.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
And I love because you're feeling the energy out.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Like I can walk into a room and immediately I'm like,
I feel the vibes. I'm like, I know exactly where
someone is on the frequency level of like totally what
we're going to be dealing with.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
I can tell if I'm going to like someone, like
by the minute I lock eyes with them.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
I'm just like and not in a bitchy way, but
just like if.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
You're a match an energy may like especially in this business,
we we have found like there's a lot of people
with like a big lot of egos and just from
in this business and being around ego people is exhausting
and it's like to be and.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
That takes all your coins, all the coins.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Exactly, you get it.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, And they're like there's times where T and I
just like go in our little corner and we just
like and then it's funny because like other people start
coming to our corner and we're like, hey.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
This is the safe corner. You may not come to
a corner you're gonna bring your bad energy. You got
bad energy or an ego problem, you got to go.
But if you don't, come on and we're just chilling.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
But the the like big personalities and stuff in this business.
Sometimes like we will be the artist that will like
sit back and let the other like bigger personalities kind
of just like run the thing and we'll just kind
of even though I'm extroverted, I ain't trying to put
that much energy into like commanding a room.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm like, you know, we got to do that on
the stage. I ain't got energy for that.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Just like regularly, but learning where to distribute your energy.
How to distribute your energy is like a fine art
that you have to It is a craft.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
One of her superpowers.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Is Okay, talk to me about that, because crafting that.
Now you got kids, Now you got husbands, Now you're
you know, you've been running a successful business now for
like a decade.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
You know your women in this business.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
You have a lot, you've got employees, you're putting on shows,
you have tour buses. There's so many people like who.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Are relying on y'all. So how do you craft it?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I mean, I think it just is like a daily
conscious effort. I think it was a really big struggle
for me in the beginning of our career because I
knew that people wanted like more of me, like they
kind of expected this bigger personality out of me, and
for a while, I like faked it and I was
likew like lovely, outgoing, talkative, and then that's what landed

(32:27):
me on antidepressants at eighteen. And really, yeah, I was
on antidepressants during radio tour.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
But because I'm like, damn it, I should have done
that too, would have made it survivable, no joke, no jokes,
and especially when you're eighteen, especially back then, you know
there there's.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, we'll write a book, don't worry. Yeah we do.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I forgot about that, but I.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Think that just like that experience really showed us like, Okay,
all we have is each other in ourselves.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, no one is going to protect us.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
At all, and so we just like really, you know,
I think it kind of turned into a blessing where
we just like really went inward and we're like, okay,
we just have to like we talk to each other
through our eyes. Like if we're doing an interview and
someone has said something that we don't like, whatever, we
just look at each other and she doesn't have to
say a word, and I just shut it down or

(33:23):
she shuts it down.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
It's like now you have the confidence to shut it down.
Oh yeah, But how empowering that you'll have each other
just like it would be kind of terrifying to be
at it alone.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
And I don't think I could do it the same.
I wouldn't want to do I have gotten ran over
and I would have destroyed.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Reputation, like in the corner crying.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
But how great y'all hot you stre to lean on?

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yes, yeah, I remember having someone being like, like, because
me and my husband have been together fifteen years married
going on five years now and know how.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
To sustain some relationship. Girl, it's like we find our
people were like, we're done, we're out. Loyalty. Loyalty, baby.
You know what, when you find a good one.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
My husband and I were talking about that, I'll just
be because you'll.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Have been together for a long time.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
When you find someone who loves you and that you loved,
a good one, even if it's not perfect to have
someone that loves you that's in your corner, it's not
like that happens every day, no, And if you don't
recognize that and you're throwing people out because like you're
always looking for something better. If you have somebody that
loves you and is a good person who wants to
grow with you and do the work.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yes, that's a blessing, a gold knight.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
It's so rare, and people don't people don't value that,
not at all.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
And I remember like I was on radio or we
were on radio tour and I was talking to this
dude and Joan and I had been together, I think
like maybe four years by then, something like that.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Three of young man when you're like fifty fifteen.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah, so y'all got at the same time you met
your true loves at the same Honestly, girl, twenty ten
was my it's magic here. I met my husband and
my best friend's soulmates. By both of my soulmates.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, I mean you really had a great year. I did.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
I think God was like, we have traumatized you enough.
Let me give you the people that are gonna help
you through this.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Okay, So your tato is really rough it.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Do you ever talk about that? No?

Speaker 4 (35:11):
And I think it's just like out of protection for
my younger self. But I'm definitely doing I've done so
much work. Like I'm actually doing this really cool it's
called lens therapy and it's this brain mapping thing where I.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Know all about this and I've been wanting to do
it where they rewire your brain with Is it work?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Like I had, I had like a pretty traumatic experience
happened like maybe like a month and a half ago,
and it jacked up my central nervous system so bad,
and I was just desperate for like any type of
I've tried, like the ketamine therapy, like.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
I've kind of It's amazing, though, did that help you?

Speaker 1 (35:44):
It did it?

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Did it kind of like restarted my system? But did
it clear your clogs too, like take you on a journey?

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Oh yeah, it was. It was very intense.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
But I feel like this lens therapy is like one,
it's non invasive, it's a little more of a gentle approach.
But I have like I've only done two sessions and
I have my third session today, and it like I
just feel like I'm able to like meet my emotions
better and I don't freak out as much like I
used to be so afraid of my emotions because I'm
super big feeler, which is like, you know, part of

(36:13):
my superpower because I we can write our feelings, so
you know, like I guess like creatively and just really
like thoughtfully.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
But sometimes I got to rein it in because I'm like,
oh my gosh, these feelings are so big and scary and.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, and just from like last week and to now one,
it like really kind of helped me reregulate after that
experience and it has been so helpful.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
I mean talk therapy and talk therapy is great just
like understand yourself. I feel like talk therapy is so necessary,
just like get a grasp of what has happened to me? Yeah,
what was I born into? Let me break all this down,
figure out how it wired me around, why I have
my personality traits, why I am the way I am.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
But then it's like, okay, now I actually have to
get to the trauma.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, because the trauma's stored in your body, even if
you're aware.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Of it, it's still like stored.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
In your body and making you act a certain way.
It manifests and like illnesses, Yeah, illnesses comes out in
personality quirks.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Oh yeahs, yes, so many things.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Oh yeah, And so I have found so much healing.
But I will say like Tea definitely gave me the
confidence to start therapy because she started.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Therapy what five or six years ago.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
It was like right around die from a Broken Heart
and we wrote that and dying from a broken Heart.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Absolutely freaking yeah, so you're her. I was broken heart?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Where y'all dying from it?

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah? I think the record label and I'd lost my
grandpa and like there was just like a lot of.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Like I guess, like just some changes, changes.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
And just a lot of a lot of pain from
different you know, different things in life.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, but but she gave.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
Me the confidence to like do it because I'm like, Okay,
if Tea's doing it, then maybe it's not that.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
And I've had a couple therapists because you have to
find one that works for you, because I needed someone
to like, you know.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Because yeah, she really is like in Strect when he's
like I'm an onion.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
We have layers like she is that. Yeah, and I
just feel in your layers.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
No.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I always thought that I just didn't know how to
communicate my emotions. But I just didn't. I was so
unattached to my body really, yes, like just always disassociated. Yes, absolutely,
just like survival. I mean, not like too terrible. I
think it was more so just this mask that I
had put on when we started my career. I was

(38:44):
pretending to be something that I wasn't and then I
complete lost, completely lost myself, Like I didn't even know
what I liked, who I was, what I wanted to say,
Like I was just there, you know, totally. And so
I started to go to therapy because I was like
I don't know how to like talk to people. I
don't even even know what I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
You don't even know what you like? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
And my first therapist she was great, but it just
wasn't a love match. And then when I found the
therapist I go to now, I was like, okay, like
I just need to get an alignment with myself and
just like feel it out. Started meditating a lot more because.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
He's always like, I don't know what's wrong with me.
I'm like, nothing, You're just you and like and that's
why I love you. Because she's always like I don't
want to talk to people.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
I don't. I'm like, it's a perfect love match for me.
So just kid you and don't change. You're probably an introvert.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
I'm like a one hundred and ten percent introverting in
your career is probably very drained, right, and I.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Don't know why, but there was no other option for me.
Like I knew that this was the career path that
I wanted. I just knew you needed Maddie exactly, and.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
I needed a take that was perfect.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
So talk therapy is so great.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
It guess you just a clude to what's been going
on with your life to salute on it. Yeah, but
then sometimes you got it. I mean I think most
times you need to go more, oh girl.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
I mean it was kind of like God was so
kind to me, where like he kind of revealed the
things that I needed to heal, like in this really gentle,
slow manner, like probably starting like in twenty nineteen, he
kind of just started showing me, like you know, cause
your brain how revealed.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
I mean, I had.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
This really wild thing happen where I was having these
panic attacks out of nowhere and my body would shut down.
I couldn't move, I couldn't speak, I couldn't eat. It
would happen anytime or would it was like if like
a high stress situation would trigger it. And I remember
being in New York City, which is like the most
overstimulating place ever, and we had like all these things

(40:57):
to do to promote this new project. Little did we
know the world was gonna shut down because it was
in early twenty twenty and I was like literally curled
up in a green room and I like couldn't move,
I couldn't talk. Like it was wild, like my body
was just freezing and shutting down. And so that I
like went to the hospital and they're like, you have
a panic disorder, and like this is how we're gonna

(41:18):
you know whatever, and they like gave me meds and
that was just a temporary, you know thing. And then
once I really got to like the root of like
what that you know, like was triggering, it just like
started this whole healing journey for me where like and
then I understood like, oh that's why I do that,
or like that's a coping mechanism that I can leave
behind and I'm good, I'm safe.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
You know, I'm good now and it and I just know.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
What your core lie is that you just don't know
what your core lie is. I don't even I don't
know exactly what that means, but it's probably I am
not enough, which I tell myself all the time. That
was always I finally hired a life coach. I was
thirty eight years old, and.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I was I always wanted to do that. You are my.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Life, each other out, dividends, muffins, banked goods, I got
it in my bag.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I'll give you one.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, girl, Okay, But I don't know what this life coach.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
But I mean there's a lot of life coaches.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
But I've met her from interviewing people, and she was like,
I'm gonna fix you.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Well, no one can fix you.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
So she didn't actually really fix me, but I realized
I was a high functioning, codependent person, and basically, okay,
I spent my I spend my whole life walking into
rooms assessing situation and realizing what I need to do
to make sure everything stays together so it can all
be perfect, so nothing falls apart.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Every statue like, I'm not perfectionist.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
I just need I need everything to present as perfect
so everyone can be happy and there's no big problem.
Because if there's a problem, then I'm gonna feel like
it's my fault.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Girl speaking my language.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Right, and I'm gonna feel like I'm wrong and you.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Are like the family fixer.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Maybe or I just always kind of felt like I,
I don't know if I was.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
No, I'm not the family fixer.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
I just always felt like I wasn't good enough, so
I'm always trying to be good enough. Yeah, I feel
like part of that, like not good enough is like
why we can all get on stage and do with me?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah, well you love.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
I came into this industry because I was like, maybe
if I can get validated on a big level, then
I can feel love in my own heart.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
And then you're like, oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, one thousand percent.
And I think it makes it less scary because it's
like I already feel like I'm not good enough. So
if I get on stage and you know they don't
like it, who cares?

Speaker 1 (43:29):
You know?

Speaker 4 (43:30):
And then obviously you get older and learn, you know,
loving myself has been the most like intense and difficult journey,
but like I'm there, and I'm just like, how did.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
You finally get there? So did you avoid yourself for
a long time?

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Yeah, like kind of how Tea is sharing, like how
she just wasn't being her authentic self because she felt
like she had to be something else, that's exactly. And
I was, you know, taking on roles that I didn't
need to take on, like fixing people, and you know,
just like doing this like you know, my sister in
law calls me captain say the hoe and.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
It's like you how to save all the hose? You
feel like it's your job. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, if someone's broken, then you need to hear their
story and tell them how they can heal and.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
How they Yeah, and kind of that, like I want
everyone to be happy and I hate seeing people that
I love hurting.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
But then sometimes like that's God. Like, there's been times.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
In my life where God's like, I need you to hurt,
because I'm gonna take this pain and make it into
I mean, for example, freaking Dive from a Broken Heart.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Like, we didn't have a hit for five years. Did
you ever feel like it was gonna end? Like it
was over? Oh?

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, all the time, every day and day today.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
We haven't had a hit since Dive from a Broken Heart,
And we're like, maybe it's not just good. It's hard
not to feel that way allat whole indust rate it is, Yeah,
and like if you don't have that momentum, it's like
you kind of get forgotten, yes, and feel forgotten. And
so it's but it's up to you to freaking put
in the work and keep hustling and keep you know,
just keep swiming.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
It's why it's like I'm so impressed with you guys,
because you'll turn.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
You know, you've had to turn. Yeah, And she became
a mom.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
That kind of started, and then when both of us
became moms, it was just like.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Bye bye boom, don't mess with.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Made, dude. We will jack you up. We might be tiny,
but we are might. Yeah, we just don't take anymore.
That's just staying your ground.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Yeah, And I'm like, if you know, I feel like
right now, part of our purpose too, are like, you know,
something I would love to be part of our purpose
is showing women that you can do it all and
just being like living proof that like you can be
a mom and a present mom.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
You can you know, have a dream job. But it
does require boundaries.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
It requires like finding your voice and saying what works
and what doesn't.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
And we're still you know, navigating that.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
But there's just this narrative that like, like back to
that on radio tour, this guy said, you know, well,
you're probably gonna break up with Jonah and start dating
a football player in the next couple of weeks, so
you know whatever. And I was like, what, like because
we started getting a little bit of fame, and I
just remember like the day I got engaged, I was
just like, you know, just like wanted to flip him off.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
But and I know, like that's probably just like maybe stereotypical.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
I don't know, but I'm like, you obviously don't know
me if you think that's how I you know, roll
right where. I'm just gonna dip out trade in Yeah. Yeah,
And I mean we had like, you know, opportunities, not opportunities.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
But I'm sure knocking don y'all's door.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Yeah, and we were just like gross gross. I mean
the discernment was real when it came to the dudes. Yeah,
I was like, there ain't no competition. My man is
steady as a rock.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
I love How have y'all maintained that because fifteen years old?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, I mean it's in airy to this career.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
How has he weathered it because it's hard for mens
times with a successful, beautiful woman. Oh?

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (46:54):
And you know what, he is the most humble hearted.
He has no ego. I think that's one thing. And
the way he views it, the way we view it
is you know, if I'm winning, we're winning.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
If he's winning, he will that.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
He's not absolutely like I feel like some men would be,
like my wife is like a powerhouse and here I
am her, you know, a future months.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Yeah, he's he is not intimidated at all. But the
thing is, I mean he's been with me since before
before I met T Like when I went to my
first voice lesson and like tried out for the voice
and American idol.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Oh girl, yeah, and they were like terrible. I was like, Okay,
I fine, I'm a work harder.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
And so it's funny because like years past and she
tried out for stuff too, and you know, the contestants
are singing our songs.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I'm like, that's funny. I know, it's just a funny,
like and you know what it's like.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
I think those shows really do help a lot of artists,
you know, like get their name out and stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
That just wasn't our.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Journey, which and I'm very grateful because them contracts.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
I know, oh my gosh, yeah, oh man.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
But he just was able to stand through it all.
And he's proud of you.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
He loves it. He knows this is what you're supposed
to do. And he's not threatened, not at all.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
And he comes from an incredible family to like a godly, wonderful, unconditional,
loving family. And I think, you know, when we met
in high school and I saw the family that he
came from, I was so drawn, Like my soul felt
like it found its own home.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah. And so but I think like a lot of forgiving,
a lot of humility, I'm not to.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Be able to change together, to grow up together literally
to grow up to earth.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah, it's just for us, I think, you know, when
one was changing, the other one.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Was kind of the rock and then while the other
one was growing or changing that like one has to
be the steady and one's the you know.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
And it's just so true. My mom always says it's
not equal at the same time. No, these people that
say like, oh, it's fifty to.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Fifty now, because there's days whenever, even now in motherhood.
I'm like, honey, I have zero to give today and
he's like, I got eighty percent. We're gonna make it,
you know. And then it's just like one day, I'm
like I have five coins in the coin bank and
he's like if I am so exhausted.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
But also I feel like our friendship was like marriage
boot camp too.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
That's how we work too. Yeah, that's how we work.
Is like we're like, hey, how are how are your coins?

Speaker 4 (49:12):
And he's like, I'm actually, I got you know, twelve
hours of sleep, I got five coins.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I'm like, I got nothing. I was crying yesterday whatever,
And you know, we make up for you, you know,
for whatever you're lacking.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
You know, so proud of y'all though working at your
friendship like this too, because yes, you'all are best friends,
but our business partners. There's probably so many things that
could carry all apart. So many things y'all could fight over.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Oh yeah, so many things that you could have friction
over and disagree about.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Oh yeah, if your egos were.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Raging, I mean, y'all could easily let an ego could
take over. Yeah, you know, I mean there's so many
factors that could have torn down apart.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
But instead y'all are stronger than you've ever been. What
would you credit that to? Unconditional love?

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Yeah, I just love you that is always choose just
the end to mayang Like we're so it's the same
but literally like so opposite.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yeah, and it's the perfect fit.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
And I think it's like we have seen each other
at our worsts and like, and it's like not it
doesn't scare the other one away. Yeah, Like she has
seen me through the ugliest, most horrible season and still
said I love you and I'm here and vice versa.
And I think I think unconditional love can that. I

(50:23):
think that's the key of like life and relationships. If
you can love unconditionally and humbly.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
What that's how how to get a ride or die?
Unconditional love, baby, that's that is.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
You know what? I love this podcast talking about the
heart and the soul and the like nitty gritty.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I think it kind of care about it.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I love the I love the career because I love
to know how people navigate it. But I really like
to know, like how they navigated your soul.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Yeah, and your listeners appreciate that, like your listeners want
to hear.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Because it is hard. It's hard to be a human.
It's hard to be an entertainer and a wife and
a mom and a business partner with another female.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
There's just so many factors involved.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
And I feel like people what I want, the message
I want people to get is how to keep coming
back to your soul no matter what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Because you do a great job for this podcast with
doing that. Yeah, well, they're like this heart home.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
You know, this podcast is a heart home for a
lot of people and hopefully you too. It is.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
It bills me up so much because I feel like
too now I feel a responsibility to like share a
light because the world is so dark. People hate each
other so much, everyone's so mean all the time. Out
there that you can find a daily dose of like
depression anywhere, everywhere.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Everywhere you go.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
So it's like there's actually a lot of really wonderful
people out there doing really great things, and everyone has
a great story.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
You just have to like hear it and share.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
It and like remember it and remember how strong you are, right,
remember what you can overcome. And if you're in the
middle of something hearing someone who's overcome something, Y's like, Okay,
I have strength.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Again, I can do this. You know I'm not alone.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yes, absolutely, we're in this together.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yes, I mean we're all. My therapist and I like,
she's like, how are you doing today?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
And I'm like, I'm a but I'm here.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
And she's like that's your phrase, I'm a mess, but
I'm here, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
And it's like I think sometimes we all feel like
we have to be all put.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Together, and I'm like, oh girl, all of us are
going through our own things. And I do think it's
so beautiful to like have platforms or just ways to
share light.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
And be like, hey, you know you've got a hand
to hold.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
You know, you got to find a tay for your maddie,
Maddie to your Tayo.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
But also I want to say, though, you guys have
chosen the road of committing to love. And that's the
thing that I want to scream from the rooftops that
I feel like people do not do, especially in this
day and age, is they do not commit to love.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
And I'm not saying commit to abuse. That is a
totally different thing.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
If you're in a that's not like abusive relationship, that
is not love. But if you are in a loving
relationship with a female, with a male, with a partner,
with a romantic with friendship, whatever, you have got to commit.
You have to weather the storms. And there are gonna
be days that suck balls and you're gonna hate that
person and you're gonna want to bail and you're gonna
want to free yourself. But if you can't commit to

(53:03):
people that love you, that you love and whether those storms,
you will never know what it feels like to have
that true love.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
And people you will give up so fast as soon
as they're out, as soon as you.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Hit that ugly point where like the other persons that
they're absolute worse, they bail, or they're mean, or they
come at each other and instead of like helping the
other one lift up, they come down.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
And tear them down more.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
You know why we've been a dueo for so long
because we're like, we won't freaking give up.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I'm sure, Like we have literally had the.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Honor of being nominated for Duo of the Year for
eleven years now, yes you have, and we have lost
all eleven years.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
You're there, there, there, we are not giving up job,
but nominated.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Probably more than most people have to be in the
conversation for eleven years.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
We should see.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
If we could get in the world record totally the
most nominated, not like you know, the bridesmaid, never the bride,
but I mean broken, Oh, we've definitely broken the fact
that y'all stayed in the conversation in music even like
I'm sure when you're eighteen, like you said, you didn't
know who you were, You had no idea who your
identity was.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
You know, you've been told what to do, You've been.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Told how to dress, how to act, what to seeing,
having a breakdown, losing your label, all of that, Like
that was probably a very scary transition of like, oh
my gosh, we've now lost everything. Yeah, but yet I
was pretending to be someone and that's what my success
was built on. And so now here I am having
to restart, but who am I even to restart to
be able to overcome that hurdle?

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Well, and we have lost everything, like we have lost
the record label and lost all these things, and so
we know how that feels. And so I think that's
why we're like, whatever happened empowering.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
It's very empowering.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Because it's like we have been where ever you know,
everyone's scared to go, yeah, where everyone's like, oh, is
their career over? And then we found our team at UMG,
and actually Stephanie Wright, who was head of A and
R for so much, she was our We called her
like our guardian angel because when we went over to UMG,

(55:01):
she just like she was really big and speaking into
like finding our voice and like giving us the confidence
to speak up. And that's when we started writing stuff
like die from a Broken Heart and like that.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Really like the stuff we really really wanted to say.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
It wasn't we weren't media trained out the freakin' wazoo,
and you know, she just really what is.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
You the humans to be speaking exactly singing the songs
and she's a still fabricated version. It's not that that
was because you're finding yourself. Everyone's finding themselves in their
twenties and teens.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Yeah, but she wanted the women the voice what you
have to say exactly, And I think she was a
big pivotal part of like really finding that, like you know,
the artist and the people kind of mirroring, but like
kind of what you were saying, Like, you know, being
a wife is hard, and doing this is hard, and
choosing love is hard. But I heard someone once say, like,

(55:50):
pick your heart because it's all hard, and so that's
what we've been really intentional about, like picking our heart.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
It's it's all hard.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
But being devor worston lonely is hard. Being in a
marriage and fighting for is hard. But which hard do
you want to pick? And I think and then like
having a career, like you know, getting freaking beat down
for however many years are discouraged is hard, but then
giving up is also you know this just right, you
have to pick your heart. But then we have each
other to yeah, you know, like carry the weight together,

(56:21):
which is I would never be a solo artist.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Hey, can you imagine how hard that?

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Okay, speaking of we have a new epee What a
Woman Can Do Pose.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
All the songs on the new EP what a Woman
Can Do Heart, they didn't break that girl Summer Girl, Summer.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Free, like one Hit Wonder, what a Woman Can Do
any kind of level.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Yes, yes, talk to me about one Hit Wonder and
what a Woman Can Do, because those are I feel
like those have some pretty powerful titles.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Oh thanks.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
So one Hit Wonders I actually wrote while t was
on maternity leave with Jamie Moore and Ryan Beaver, and
in the beginning of our career everyone called us one
hit Wonders, like with girl in a country song, And
so I always had this title saved in my phone
because I was like, I'm going to spin this, like
there were so many articles like Maddie and j One
hit Wonders, and then especially when the record label shut.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Down, like Mattie j One hit Wonder blah.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Bah blah, and so I was like, I'm going to
turn this into something one day. And so I went
into the writing room that day and I was like,
I really want to write a song called one Hit Wonders,
but like make it a love song, like a sexy,
groovy love song.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I was like, really inspired by Silk.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Sonic and Anderson Pack and which is like totally not country,
but I feel like we kind of made it our thing,
and so that's kind of where that one came from.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
But it's just kind of a funny little like I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Wink, I guess that, like the all the hooplaw that
was said in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Now were two hit wonders.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Ten years touring, getting out EPs, putting out albums, like
doing the damn thing on. I mean, you guys, when
y'all were on tour with Carrie Underwood, it was you guys,
it was Runaway June Carrie Underwood, girl Power. Y'all have
been a part of the girl power movement to keep
girls a force in country music.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Because there is now there's so many and it brings
me so much joy, like Megan Maroney and Ella Langley
and Lady Wilson, Like there's so Hailey Witters, Carter Faith,
Like there's a taking Harper Grace on tour with you
do I love because your tour is called the Here's
the Friends Tour, yea, which is happening when I think
it starts September. In September, When are you having that baby?

(58:26):
I'm having this baby November. Yeah, and I know, are
you just feeling feeling great? No, everything's going great.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, I'm feelings as good as possible.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Hey, you're going to be bumping along out there. You're
going to be like massively pregnant. No, I know, you're
like what a woman can do?

Speaker 1 (58:41):
I mean serious.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
That's exactly why wepe that, because it's like there couldn't
be a more perfect title for where we are in
our lives, Like we feel like we are wearing five
jillion hats, but like somehow kind of rocking it, you know, you.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
Know, you know where it's like I can't tell the
ducks just like on the water and underneath it like
we are.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
No, but I did say it to our band leader.
I was like, can we just make an acoustic set
in the middle of the set so that I can just.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Sit at a little bit am going on stage.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Oh yeah, I'm shaking my booty.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
She's making everyone nervous when pregnant on tour. Everyone like
they get so nervous about us.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Like, are you gonna go into Like no, I'm just shaking.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
It's freaking awesome, guy, so fun.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Oh my god, when a you do late November.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Yeah, okay, so you're going on tour in September and
then you'll finish when.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
We finish second week of October, and then I'm on
like baby watch Ish okay, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, and then we get to nest Aka week. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I've got so many organization things.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Oh that's literally my control, freaky perfectionism.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
So how's this. How's the nurser' going to be? Maddie?

Speaker 2 (59:55):
What's our theme?

Speaker 1 (59:55):
No, she's the designer. I'm just the organizer.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Ralph Lauren.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Oh yeah, he's gonna be Bougie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
You want to call him Son?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
No? Wait, Josh, no, no, no, we we haven't decided
a name. And so if anyone has any suggestions, Josh
really loves the idea of like doing a name that
ends in son, like Harrison or Stetson or Benson or something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
And didn't I send you Benson? I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
I think I'm gonna be thinking about this NonStop. I'm
gonna send you so many ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Please. Yeah, I know I instagram her so many names.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
There's a couple, but I just don't know what feels like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
It hasn't hit yet.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, I haven't had the one Forest was Forrest.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
How do you know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
I just knew, Like I knew I was going to
have a boy, like God revealed it to me in
a dream. And then my friend, we're probably way over
an hour, and now I know I'm saying, how we
gotta wrap up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
We're gonna wrap up, But tell me this because this
is all my favorite stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Yeah, God reveals to you in a dream, and then
tell me about God in yours relationship, because I feel
like God's pretty pretty central for you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Big man is crucial central.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
But so I like I have had a theme through
my life, Like I dreamed of Jonah, my husband, when
I was like in third grade, Like God showed me
this dream of me marrying a tan, beautiful, dark haired man,
and so I just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Knew I had these dreams always come true.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Yeah, and I had a dream that she was having
a girl. I had a dream that my sister in
law was having a girl. Like God just you know,
he'll and I can tell you in dreams, yeah all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
It's super weird.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
But I had a dream of Forest and like I
just knew he was a baby boy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
And then one of my girlfriends.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Amber had a dream that I was having a baby boy,
and then they called me like a couple days later
and they're like, you're having a boy. The minute I
knew as a boy, I was just like Forest, Like
I could just feel he was just wild and he
is crazy. He is wreck at Ralph, like you know that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Movie where he's just like no, no, no, that's him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
But I just knew he was Forest, Like I just knew,
And so we named him pretty early, but like second
go round, I have no idea, like I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Do not know if I'll have that like knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Yeah, we had a girl name picked out for this baby,
and then when we found out it was a boy,
We're like, oh shoot, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
And I'm waiting on my dream from God, so.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I know, Lord.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Yeah. Have you felt different this time? Like, have you
felt peaceful?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I felt so much more nervous. I was definitely nervous
because I'm a high risk pregnancy given my past and
just like health complications and I will have a scheduled
C section, So just a little bit of a different
vibe this pregnancy, and obviously with the trauma from my
last pregnancy, that's something that I think about like anytime
I have Brax and Hicks, I'm like, oh shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
I have to be like it's okay. I had Brax
and Hicks really early too, and I think it's like
because we're petite.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
I had the same thing and it kind of freaked
me out, and so I'm like, everything's okay, okay, and
he's great. But I do feel a lot calmer, And
then I thought I would, which is great you are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
I have that that peace, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
I'm so proud of you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Y'all are just goals in every as.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
You have done the hard work too. You've done the
hard work in your career. You've done the hard work
on yourself. You do the hard work as mothers do
the hard work.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Always. Friends, there's road. We're probably not gonna take it.
I don't. I think God just knows. That's how we're wired.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
But it gets you all of the most fruitful you know,
rich in spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah, like you know, just yeah, one day the money
will catch up, but okay, I do catch up. Little
spirit will be so rich, right.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
It's like you're doing all these things, all these people
are coming to your shows, You have so much that
you're giving to the world, and the money it just
doesn't match the energy that you put into it, Isn't
it crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
It's bizarre how much you give and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Give and give of your whole self, but the money
just doesn't mass.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Everyone thinks we're so rich, well rich.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Outfits Target, Babe.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
I have this dress because I saw a pretty hard
post about it and I was like, I should do this.
I do feel like the you look so rich, it's
fake until you make it, baby. But you know, I
think like this business, the way it's set up, just
how it's changing so fast.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
It's hard for this business to kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Support the creatives, like the artists, like because we're the
last ones to get paid. It's like, you know, the
streams and everything go to like here here, here, here, here,
and then way way way down is where the creators
and like the producers and the musicians and the songwriters
and the artists we kind of get like the the
last of the you know thing. And so that's not

(01:04:21):
really how it always was. But I know, like our
business is trying to do what they can to like,
you know, support the creative community. And I think that
there's like always little moves in the direction where it
feels like everyone is benefiting because it is a business.
At the end of the day, everyone's got to make money,
but the artists who are making the art.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Need to also make money.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
We got chieldren, we need diapers and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Yes, it's crazy, it's wild.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Yeah, I do think it's moving in a good direction though.
I mean, like we ten years ago, we didn't know
you had to be like a TikToker to like support
your music and you know stuff like that, and you
know you have to like blow it up on TikTok
to have a hit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Song and times of tiktoking and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Just to the talks that we post are like silly, goofy,
Like we have this pajama saga going on, right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Saw that in my Sunday's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Mallory Yeah shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
We literally live in them.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
And every weekend it's a fun surprise because we never
tell each other which pair were packing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yeah, and then we are always matching for some reason.
But the past two weekends they have Honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
We had we were going to break up. We ever
trayed each other.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
We literally we were like out of sync and I
don't know what was going on, so hopefully you know
what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
It's actually your fault because I'm going to tell you
either you wore the disco ones two weekends in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I did weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Okay, we're making the rules as we go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Is it a fun guessing game for y'all? Yeah, it's
if you get the right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
Ones and we do not cheat, Like I'm like, do
not show me those jamming. So it's a feeling. You
just have to see if y'all have the same feeling.
One day we were I was like, I'm feeling the
cheating and I'm just like seeing maybe Tea will get
my telepathy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Message all the way. Wait, I don't want to be
saying where you live.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
I want to see if t can get my telepathy message,
you know, thirty minutes away from my house.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
And she did. She got my cheetah, you got my
blue you got yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
And we have a lot of pairs, so it's it's
impressive beause Mallorie hooks us up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
She is a pre saint.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Talk about influencer, Oh my god, yes, and like born born, Yeah,
that's some people are born to influence. You know, everyone
has influence in their own way, you know, because like
you are influence, are influencing, You are influencing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yes, you're at like a tired beat up.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
You're speaking the message of like growing up a girl,
not yet a woman at me this stuff but Britney spirit.
But you've grown up in front of our very eyes,
shared your life through song. You're out there performing, You're
giving yourself to your audience all the time, like you're
giving yourself to your fans.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Like that is a huge influence. It takes a lot
of energy to then add a whole nother influence.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
On top of it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
You just who has that much energy and time?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
You know, we don't definitely not mean they're not old.
You are freaking amazing. I love you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
I always wrap up with leave your Light, and it's
basically I would I want to talk y'all forever because
the most.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
You have to hang out, Like once we get off
to we're hanging out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Okay, That's what Michael and I always say that. We
always say, don't make plans in a high moment, like
when you're like super jacked up, because it's like we
got to hang out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
We gotta go get lunch and the Nine Days later,
you're like, we're never going to hang out, We're never
gonna get.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah, well we can bring the kids. It's like doable.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Actually, mom play date is like perfect win across the sports.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Oh my god, everybody with everybody who even knew how
fun like mom play dates were for them. There's some
moms that I'm like, oh no, no, this, this is
not going to be a vibe.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
You know when you go to the park and people like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Yeah, oh my god, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Oh my gosh, I can't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
Yeah, that's we're not going to You ain't if you
ain't wiping your kids nose.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
That's just we are not morally in sync.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Okay, given my kid, your burger, hate it, you love
you guys?

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Okay, your life.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
And it's basically, what do you want people to know?
Just drop in some inspo? What do you want to
share with people?

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
I just want to say, You're enough. That's it. You
are enough.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
If you have zero energy today, a billion energies, whatever,
you're enough.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Just being here is enough. Being here is enough. You
are here, you made it, You're supposed to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
You don't have to do something epic every day with
your life.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Just existing is epic.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
That yeah, and my leave your light will be. If
you're in a tough season, just take the next right step.
That's all you gotta do. Don't think too far ahead,
don't overwhelm yourself with the future anxiety. Just take the
next right step.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
I needed that today.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
I don't me make me cry in love you guys
so much, love you, Thank you so much for coming on.
Y'all are super women doing it all amazing, I mean amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Thank you for.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
This platform to allow us to be real and allow
the listeners to kind of see behind the scenes for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
So thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
I love that our fans kind of get to see
a different side of us in these moments, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Yeah, I'm just proud of you for doing the hard work.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Back at you, sister. Oh my gosh, my overalls on,
I'm ready to do are ready? Let's go?

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Okay, Well, everyone be excited because we have what a
Woman Can Do ep out and all the songs are
out and here's to friends tour with Lauren Watkins and
Harbert Grace joining you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Guys. Amazing women power forever. Love y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:09:32):
Love.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
We'll do like a part two or something. You know,
please anytime, any.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Part three, girl, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
This is our Part two. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
That's right, Oh my gosh. Okay, yeah so yeah Part
three Okay. It trilogy, The Trilogy. I Love you, guys,
I Love you girl. Bundle from terce To Bundle

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