Sarah Reeves showing us how to “get your fight back” after you’ve been knocked out.

I love this gal. Voice of an angel. Wise, colorful, textured soul. Sarah feels like she just “knows” so much about life. We talk about her first Christmas as a divorcee and the powerful song she wrote about it, “Christmas feels different this year.” Her power anthem “Get Your Fight Back” has gone viral and struck chords with so many people, including celeb Deborah Messing who makes Instagram cameo singing w Sarah. Sarah writes raw music from her soul. She so generously shares her heartbreaks and inspirations with us through her music so we all can feel and heal. Tune in now if you’ve ever felt knocked out and are ready to “get your fight back.”

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
At Caryl Lound. She's a queen and talking, so she's
getting really not.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Afraid to feel its episode soul.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Just let it flow, no one can do we quiet.
Cary Lound is sounding care loud.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Okay, well it's just a great day. But you said
diving right in.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
You have a sweet, angelic voice, Sarah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'm like, oh my god, I don't like listening to
myself talk.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Is that just a thing?

Speaker 4 (00:41):
I think it is a thing. I think everyone says
that about themselves.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I think that's a thing because I think you have
an amazing voice, and I love listening to you talk
and sing and oh my god, the range that you have.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah, today, it hasn't always been like that?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Do you build that up?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (00:57):
I think my voice has definitely developed, like they that
your voice as a female keeps developing into your thirties.
So as long as you're doing it and out there
and singing, do I look at the camera or do
I look at you?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I mean, we can just switch it up however you feel.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Okay, cool. I don't know if I wasn't supposed to
look there. Okay, hi, word just a real time. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
You also change your hair color all the time, which
I love.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
I do me too, I get bored easily.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Your hair fried minus.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Is actually surprisingly not fried for all the color changes. Yeah,
because I've figured out a healthy way to do the blonde,
and that was the balliage. So I did it like
twice a year the last couple of years, and then
I just did my first round of like highlights, and
it has gotten a little bit like there's some breakage,

(01:47):
but it's not. I used to be platinum blonde, like
full on and would get it done like every month.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Do you feel different with a different hair color?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yes, me too, Like I feel like a different version
of myself with a different hair color.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yep, okay, so tell me the verse.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Your natural oh dark, and I just recently went back
dark dark dark.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
And I felt totally different.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
See, So tell me how you feel with your different
hair colors and why you change them.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
I feel like myself when I'm blonde, and I'm not blonde.
I'm a redhead naturally, yes, Like when I was a kid,
my hair was bright red, and then as I've gotten older,
it's it's more like auburn. But now it's like brown
with a hint of red. You can see it in
the sun. But and it's very curly. So my hair

(02:32):
has like natural like ringlets, but I don't like it.
And every time I wear my hair curly, people are like,
oh my gosh, you have the most beautiful hair. I'm like, thanks,
I hate it. So I just do this and dye
my hair blonde, and I feel like I feel prettier.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't know what's weird. I wish I was.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I wish I liked my natural because.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
You'd play with your natural color sometimes sometimes you go back. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, there's some videos of you out with
dark hair. Yeah, like two years ago, I decided to
grow all.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
My hair out, or maybe three years ago. I decided
to grow out my hair and just let it be natural,
and I went curly. I stayed curly for like six months.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
And in your Zuma Beach video, it's curly. Yes, yes, yes,
so that's natural.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
That I'm trying to remember what we did. Uh. She
actually told me to come naturally curly, and I didn't listen,
and so she put the curls in. But then as
the day went on, it naturally got curly, so it
was like really frizzy. I wish I would have just
come natural.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's just hard to know what to do in life,
isn't it? Even with hair.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
It's like we were talking about this right when you
walked in, because like, your songs are hitting me so heavy,
and so you're getting to me like your best days
and get back your fight.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I was listening to get back your fight. What you
do a cool video?

Speaker 3 (03:53):
A debor messing where you are like lip syncing back
and forth to teach other she's your friend, she's.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
I don't know her personally, but it's kind of a
crazy story. She started following me on my Instagram and
started commenting on that song every time I hit her.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, so did it hit her?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
It hit her?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Does she tell you how it hit her? Or is it?
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
She just have it. I mean no, She just was
very sweet about it, just saying how much she loves it.
And she would post multiple times whatever I would because
I posted the song over and over, you know, in
different locations, because that's what we do as artists.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
So that's a new way. So you go viral. You
actually have gone viral too, right, I guess you could
call it.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
That, yeah, because that's what you gotta do. I mean,
it's a totally different world. I was kind of briefly
telling you about myself how I was an artist before.
But it's like that was before TikTok. Instagram wasn't here.
We would care around like flip cameras and like record
ourselves and try to put them up on YouTube or something.
And now it's like, but it's like, you gotta go
viral on TikTok, on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's like you gotta put videos up all the time.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
You're making little mini music videos all the time. I know,
you know, it's like a full time job with the content.
It is because you instead of going to playing and
maybe you still people still do this, but instead of
like getting in a van and going and playing like
dive bars, it's like you get on your computer and
you make these awesome videos and you just keep pumping
them out ntil you hit kinda is that?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Am I wrong? Am I off?

Speaker 4 (05:12):
No, You're exactly right.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
That's what we do, and then you go viral this
and it takes so much time to make these videos. Yeah,
it does.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
I you know, I sat in my my marketing department's
office like less than a year ago. This was the
beginning of this year, and they're like, Sarah, we need
you to post on TikTok, like we need you to
be active on social media. And I was just like,
I started crying. I was just like, I don't want

(05:42):
to do this.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
This is not what I signed up for, you know.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
I just want to sing and write songs and perform.
And then my manager and I left the meeting is like, Sarah,
just try it for two months.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
We can prove them wrong. Just try it, you know,
and just post as.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Much as you can on uh, the social media. And
so I was like, all right, I'm gonna give it
two months and I'm just gonna post every day and
just whatever is authentic to me in the moment. I've
been doing a lot of production stuff and so trying
to learn that as a female is kind of different.
And so I'm like, all right, I'll just flip the
camera around and just put it out there and see

(06:20):
what happens. And and sure enough, people started noticing. And
then I posted this song get Back Your Fight one day,
and I think I went from like thirty thousand followers
to now it's grown one hundred and thirty thousand people
matter of.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Months, resonated with that song. Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I feel it too, because I mean the lyrics where
you tell us the chorus lyrics.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, I know, right.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
But I have to talk and out only lyrics for me, Sarah,
I'm just seeing it notes you.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Sing here is a lie.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
We'll be all right.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
I promise one day you're gonna get back your fight.
Sun's gonna shine futures. I promise one day you're going
to get back your fight. It's very simple, and then
the verses there's kind of dark.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I love the verse though, because it's like some people
give their never get their heart back from the one
who broke it or something.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
What has that first one go? It's like some people,
I think, are you sure you're on the right side.
I might be on the right I might be on
the wrong song.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Oh I think okay, I think the beach, and some
people lose their hearts the ones who broke them never
get them back in the forever.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
All your songs.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
So I'm like, oh my god, that's so true. So
I totally jump songs from get Back Your Fight to
say a beach. Yeah, but it's like, is it from
the same spot, and it's it hits so real and
I was telling you, I'm like coming out of a
hole I've been. I feel like I've been in a
dark hole for like three years, just like trying to
get out of it. And I hear your songs and you're.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Like with get back your fight.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
You're like, don't let this, don't let this break you like,
get back your fight again, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Like you can you can? You drag? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Sometimes you feel so knocked down there, like, oh my god,
am I ever gonna?

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yeah? Know, yeah, totally back up. I mean, I'm sorry
that you're going through.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Oh, it's fine stuff.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
We all are, you know, we all have these massive
battles that we face, whether it's right now or whether
we did or whether it's in the future. Like life
is just hard.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's hard, and then it's great, and then it's hard
and then it's great.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
And the waves of the ups and downs and you're like,
oh my gosh, I can't.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Take this, and then you have an amazing magical moment
and you're like like you're like flying in a high
air balloon singing a song.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, like ever' Napa Valley, Like those moments come in
it's like wha.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
But maybe that was scared to you because you hate heights,
So I do that scared me, but I did it,
but I did. It's like, yeah, so with Debora Messing
my sporadical brain coming back, she obviously connected with this
song get Back Your Fight like I did two and
I hear it and then, like your songs, it's like,
we all are through this. I can see why you
grew exponentially because we're going through it.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
What prompted you to write these songs? What were you
going through? Also? I wrote a Christmas song called Different
Kind of Christmas?

Speaker 4 (09:02):
I did, I did? You've done your research?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, I got hooked on you.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I know why people will want to follow you because
like I didn't really I knew knew who you were
just from like the music industry, but I hadn't like
had a chance to dig in. And then once I
started digging in, I'm like, oh, I want to like
see your content, I want to watch your videos, I
want to hear your songs.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Like You're very intriguing.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
That's really sweet.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
You're great. Your voice is great, thank you.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Your story is great in the way that you have
these deep lyrics and you put them.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
To like very catchy songs. I'm like, oh, you're really hitdten.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
It may feel so good. Yeah, well, I do have
a bit of a story. So I was married for
ten years. I were very youngried when I was twenty two,
and yeah, I married my first boyfriend basically out of
high school and really tried to make it work, you know,
and it didn't.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
And how did you know it was done? I think.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
We were so opted for a minute, you know, I
was out in LA writing and I don't I don't
really talk about much details because honestly, me and my
ex are still friends.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Great, so we way to go.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Still have a deep love for one another in respect
that is so.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Mature, And thank you big and wise of both of
y'all be able.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
To do that. Thank you. Yeah, it's just something that
I'm like, you know what, I will never be the
one to bash him, because.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
You're both two imperfect humans trying to make it work,
realizing maybe it just was better for y'all.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
To be on your way.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah, exactly and enjoy the time you had your babies.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Maybe twenty two.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
My mom got married she was twenty one, and my
dad and her made it work. But I mean, it's
like the seasons they've gone through and the growth and
like the different people they've become. It's like, if you
can stick that out, it's that's important because you change
so much.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, it is really hard.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
And that's the thing is either you change and you
grow together, or you change and you grow apart.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Exactly when you're twenty two, you don't know who you're
growing into yet exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, Like your brain's not even fully developed.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
I think as a female, your brain doesn't fully develop
until you're like I'm probably saying this wrong, but like
twenty five, twenty six, I.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Mean, yeah, mine didn't even finish until like forty and
I'm still developing.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Same, just always changing, always evolving and changing your mind
about things, you know. And but yeah, it was it
was really hard, you know. I think the biggest challenge
for me was becoming independent because I was so dependent
on this other human and attached to him for so long.

(11:33):
He was my manager, like we were intertwined and in
every aspect, in every area of our life too. You
had to start over, so I had to rat over
and just really like I think my number one emotion
leaving my marriage was fear, like it wasn't even necessarily
like a sadness. I mean there was sadness, there was grief,

(11:58):
but like for me, it was just like can I
do this by myself?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
You know?

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Like I even hated like going to sleep by myself,
like I liked sleeping with another person, and so and
so I struggled with a lot of fear and even
just like can I make a living on my own?
Like I'm not like the brightest most like not the
loudest person in the room, Like I always depended on

(12:23):
my ex to be like the life of the party,
and that I would just kind of sit back and
I'm like, can I like hold my own in a room?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
You know?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
And and so this year has been me discovering Sarah. Wow,
when did you get divorced?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
It was final May of of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
So last year, dang, you're it's fresh.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
It's pretty fresh.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
How was the first year?

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Oh? Man?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
It was discovering Sarah? Who is Sarah?

Speaker 4 (12:51):
It was hard, it was beautiful, it was challenging.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
It was weird.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
It was all thes scary, you know, even just like
dating has been weird because I had never dated really before.
I mean I had my little fleeings when I was
a teenager, but like dating in your thirties, I'm like,
how do people do this?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like do I need to get on an app?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Like?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
No, I don't think I want to do that.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
But then like I've met people and have had been
on one relationship didn't work out, and then just kind
of I'm like, what is my type? Like it's been fun.
I mean I'll admit, like it's been really fun.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's good. Yeah, I'm happy you're enjoying it. It's like
a treasure hut, Like what do I like?

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
And you probably have way more confidence not thirty, in
your thirties than you did in your twenties.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Totally.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
I used to be envious. I would see my like
single friends, and I was like, man, I wish I
was single, because like, you just know yourself so much
more when you get older versus when you're young, and
then you just choose your partner. I mean a lot
of people do that and it works out and that's great.
But I'm really thankful honestly for like a second chance
to find love and I haven't found that yet, you know,

(14:07):
but I really I fell in love with myself. Oh no,
and really threw myself into, which I don't know if
this is a good thing or a bad thing, because
people are like, oh, we see what you're doing on
social media, And like I said, with production, I'm like, okay, Sarah,
you're you're kind of in control of your own destiny now,
Like what is it that you want to do? And

(14:28):
one of the things that I wanted to do was
learn production and so not just the lyric and the
melody of a song, but like making the tracks and
the music.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
You want to make the full experience exactly. I'm like,
I want to, so you produce all of your stuff.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
I produced to get back your fight.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
And look at that one, because soul was flowing through it.
The music sounded the way you wanted it to. The
production sounded the way like exactly how you wanted it
it sound.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know, you don't have to rely on anybody totally.
How cool and independent to not have to rely on anybody.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yet I think it was just a little god wink
that He's like, see, Sarah, you can be independent, Like
you can do something.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
And what a song that you wrote produce with that
message going viral? You know, Yeah, that is a godwink.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
So I've been kind of, yeah, starting over in a way,
really shutting out a lot of voices, and I just
kind of I've been by myself a lot honestly this
past year. Is that, Like, it's been fine.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
It's fine, it's fine, really fine, fine, no problems, everything's.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
No problem, sing by myself. I've gone through all those phases. Honestly,
I'm like, I, how congrats to let yourself do that.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Some people can't bear to do it, like some people
can't bear to be by themselves. Some people can't bear
to face themselves, can't bear to be alone because it's
too much and I much to deal with.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I've had to force myself to be alone. Way to go,
is what I'm saying. Thank you. It's hard.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's hard, but you know, everybody when they go through
something like that, it's like it's like a death, you know,
And and so you have to allow yourself time to
grieve and to cry and to feel and it sucks
and it hurts. Yeah, but if you don't let it

(16:24):
out now, it's gonna come out eventually, and maybe a
way that you don't want it.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
To because it's stuffed in there exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
It doesn't go anywhere. I think that's what people don't
realize is it doesn't go anywhere when you ignore it
besides deep down into yourself and it comes out, like
you're saying, sideways all sorts of ways, it's going to
really mess you up when it comes out.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Actually yeah, And I think just also the key is
just you know, doing that me by yourself, whatever you
need to do, like to heal, right, take take the time.
But then, like I love what you said earlier about
how you just share everything, You're like, I don't know.
I don't know how to not share about.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
My throw everything happening, because it comes out of me immediately.
I start crying the second someone's like, how are you,
I'm not good.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
I'm not good at all, really not doing well.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Those are my favorite type of people because I'm like, oh,
you're human.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Okay, great, we can write with those. I can't even
try to put it together. I mean I can't even
try to box it up.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Like you know, I feel like maybe I tried for
a long time to be something and then eventually it
all just fell apart.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
So now I'm like I'm not even trying, right.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
But then that's probably when you found that people were
like gravitating towards you and even your platform of like, oh,
she's the real one, she's honest.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
And I love hearing people's real stories, like I love
you your real story.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
I love hearing whatever I talk to, your real story
because then I'm like, like you said, oh, we can
work with this, Like I can actually get some tools
here and some relating and like and like in your song,
like you have a song called like not hope you
don't feel alone or something.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I don't know what which is, but not alone?

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Oh a little more or less alone?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, it's like even just sharing it, just knowing that
you're not alone. Yeah, totally so helpful and comforting.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
And then you give each other tools and tips and
actually you become better and you heal exactly.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
We need each other, We need each other's stories.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Was this album just you healing yourself?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (18:14):
I think so. Actually I wrote this album most of
it as I was going through my divorce.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
It was like in the middle of the feelings.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
It was right in the middle.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, and you captured the rawness of that m Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
So the song Zuma Beach that one. So I was
out in Los Angeles, like I said, me and my
ex were kind of like separate for a minute and
I was working on this album and then we were
on a phone call. We were up all night and
it's funny, I've never.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Shared this before, so.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
But we were up all night on the phone just
being like, all right, the decision is made, We're gonna end.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
What a moment to make the decision? Yeah, final? So final? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
So but I knew in that moment, I was like, yeah,
it's definitely over. Like we had had conversations, but in
that moment, I'm like, it's over, it's confirmed. And so,
but I had a guy, his name is Michael Fern, amazing,
one of my favorite songwriters. He was flying in from
Nashville to LA the next day to write with this
small crew of people that you know, were out there

(19:20):
with me for my album. And so, but I had
been up all night. I'm like, my eyes are just swollen.
And then I think he texted me early that morning
and was just like, hey, do you want to like
go to the beach this morning, and just kind of like,
you know, chill, have a good morning. And I'm like, actually,
there's this beach that I've been going to because I
googled while I was there, safe clean beaches in Los Angeles,

(19:44):
which is rare. It's hard to find, and the first
thing that popped up was Malibu Zuma Beach. And so
I would go out there on the weekends and just
kind of like write in my journal and pray and
like meditate and think and talk in my voice memos
my feelings and and so I'm like, actually, yes, there's
a beach that we've been I've been going to. We'd

(20:04):
love to go out there. And also when you pick
me up, I have some news. And so it was
him and my publisher and I came out with my
my sunglasses on and I was like, guys, my marriage
is over. I'm so sorry you flew all the way
out here, but I don't think I can write a
song today.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
He's like, that's okay, We're going to go to the beach.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
And let's just like, you know, talk and chill and
and so we did and it was such a beautiful moment.
And then we didn't write a song that day. But
then the next day we went in and he came
in and was just.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Like I got I got.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Don't know, that's dropping all of this gold from your
real life, and I just got it real fast.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
He was the perfect person to be there in that moment.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
He's so good at just capturing emotions.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
And you're on the beach, yeah, feeling these songs that
this has been your safe place and your refuge.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, to go such a healing place, a healing moment,
and so that was a very sacred session and we
were all crying. I was doing the vocals and I
was just wow, trying to cool, but yeah, very captured
the raw emotion.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
So the vocals on the album, are you crying trying
to make it through?

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Yes, I mean there's we definitely like it's so real.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, there's there's some cracks in the voice. We definitely
cleaned it up. But I love that because that's art
and it's purest.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yeah. I wish we had a video of it, but honestly,
it was just so it was like such a holy
moment that not even like a video or cameras or
anything would be appropriate.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
And did you feel holy? Did you feel the healing happening?

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yeah, it was almost like it was like it was
just rushing in, like you had this gaping open wound
and it's like you were just like in the hospital
and getting like, you know, the medicine and healing in
that moment.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
It's like the role I needed to do it.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, I knew I needed to do it for myself,
but also for others too, because.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
What did you know was going to happen by doing
that writing the song being so vulnerable.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
I just knew that, you know, like you said, like
being vulnerable and being honest, it just opens up kind
of everyone to be like, all right, I relate to
this girl or this moment or this story. And maybe
it's not somebody that had gone through a divorce, but
maybe it's somebody that had a loss in their life
or going through I don't know, sickness, but I think

(22:31):
everybody has this like altar that they go to in
their life. You know, they're like this little safe place.
And for me, that was that place. And so for me,
I wanted to just portray to other people that they
can go to their sacred places and they can find healing.
And obviously for me it's through like God. I'm a

(22:52):
woman of faith, I love the Lord and my Christian
and so for me, just like having that space, it
could be anywhere, but having that space. I just really
felt like his presence and his love right there. I
felt like his arms just wrapped around me in that moment.
And so I hope that other people feel that, even
if they don't even know, because in my music now,
I don't even really say Jesus through my newer music,

(23:18):
and I go into places outside of the church because
I feel called there and I look out at people
and they have tears in their eyes and they're like,
I don't know why I'm crying right now, and I'm like,
I feel like there's a special calling, you know, that
I have towards people. And not to say that I
have the answers you know, or your way is right

(23:39):
or your way is wrong and my way is right.
I'm not ever going to be that person to be
like black or white, you know. But if they come
up to me after the shows and they're like, why
is what is it that's different about you? I share like, actually,
like I God has changed my life?

Speaker 2 (23:59):
How has God changed your life? How do you know
He's changed your life? It was not just like not
just like a belief that we've been taught, how do
you know?

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah, And for so long it was just like a
religion for me, right, it was I went to church
my whole life. You know, my parents they raised me
in church Sunday mornings and Wednesday nights.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I was there, you were there. I was singing on
the praise team, leading the choirs, and.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
For so long it was just like going through the motions.
When I was about fifteen, I had like a crazy
encounter with God what all this stuff. I was at
a youth camp and there was some worship going on.
I really don't even fully remember what happened, but I got, like,
you gotta think I'm crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
I got like knocked out, like just blacked out.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
In the spirit, and really, like what did that feel like?

Speaker 4 (24:51):
I felt like it was just a moment where God
touched my life and showed me that he was real.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Like I felt electricity from the bottom of my toes
all the way up to like your head, and it
was just like a god supernatural. Yeah, it was something
that I couldn't explain. It was very supernatural. Did you
like fall to the ground experience? Yeah, I think you
like passed out. Yeah, it was just the power of
God was so strong in that moment.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
What did your body and your soul and everything feel
like afterwards, like a new person.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah. I felt like a new person and I've never
been the same since that moment. Really, it was just
like God, God, he showed up. Like I said, it
sounds so weird to just like fall out, but it
was just the path just to encountered its power and
his love and like you just.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Knew it was certain.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
And it's not like you have a heartache because look,
I mean you just went through a heartbreaking divorce, so
it's not like it's protected you from life, but it.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Just gave you a knowing.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, it's just this internal like peace that you know,
even when you're going through the really painful things, Yeah,
you still believe in something bigger than God.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Still feel God exactly.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
I have peace, I have like a joy and just
like a knowing that everything's going to be okay.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Even in the divorce.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean I definitely was scared of I've
had my like human moments. I always do right, right, right,
but I always fall back, you know, to Jesus and
trusted He's just yeah, and I just that's that's how
I truly feel like his hand has been all my
life more than ever this year, I feel like his
nearness and his presence and and so I'm like, and

(26:32):
even before I came here, I was like, what what
do I have to talk about?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Like?

Speaker 4 (26:37):
What did I do in my life that's so special?
Like what do I have to say to people that.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
They would get something from me?

Speaker 4 (26:43):
I truly think that about myself of like, Sarah, you're
just a normal human.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Like I'm just doing my job and writing songs somehow.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
And and then I'm like, well, I guess, you know,
there has been some cool things that I've gotten to do,
you know, in my life that people dream about doing.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
You know what, I think it's so special about you?

Speaker 3 (27:03):
What?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
And I'm glad that you said what do I have
that's so special? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:07):
I feel like a lot of people feel that way
about themselves. Yeah, you know a lot of people don't
feel their gift because it's in them, It's been in you.
It's like it's it's just a part of who you are.
Like when you look at your face and you know
what your eyes look like, and your nose look like,
your mouth looks like, you look at it, You're like,
that's just me, you know, But I look at your face,
and I see, like, what a beautiful face, and I'm

(27:28):
noticing it for the first time, you know, and it's
like different than mine or what I.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
See every day. And so it's like when you have
these gifts like you have, because I literally.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Just like went down the rabbit hole of Sarah Reeves
and your voice is so beautiful. It is like the
tone and the texture and the way you deliver it's
so beautiful, and like your range is so powerful and
it's so natural, Like it feels so just who you are,
like breathing, Like I don't feel like you're like trying
to create something, like you're just letting it all come out.

(28:02):
It's how it feels to me, like this is what
you were given and you're just expressing it. And obviously
you've worked on it and developed it, and like, you know,
you have this gift and it's you take care of it,
but it's like it's just what is a part of you.
And like the way you write these songs and the
lyrics and the way you share your vulnerability and the
way that it all comes together in a song that
like can be received from a human like myself receiving

(28:23):
it and then it hits me because like I'm going through,
I'm coming out of a hard season of my life,
just as like people who've listened to his notes, it's
like fertility and babies and loss and all sorts of stuff,
so many things, and it's like you hear something that
you created so naturally because you just expressed your life
and you have a way and a talent and a

(28:44):
gift to put it in a song form, and you
have this voice to sing it that people can love
and connect with and feel, and the way you like
in producing, the way you're creating the music. That just
putting all that together, even though that is just what
is in you. The fact that you're catching it and
you're chasing it and you're figuring out where you're drawn

(29:05):
to and your gifts and what you love, and you're
putting it all into a song form so others can
receive it. That is the gift, That is the holiness,
That is the magic thing. Because I feel that way
all the time, and it's so different than you, but
I'm always like God, I just feel like I am
such a This is not what you're saying, but this
is how I felt it. I feel like I'm such
an imposter, like what am I even doing talking with people?

(29:29):
Like who do I think I am? But then I
get in these conversations with people like you, and I'm like, well,
this is really great, you know. It's like this is
really magical. And it's like if you don't take the
time to do what you're called to do that you love,
like I love sitting on talking to you and hearing
your story and talking about your gifts. It's like, if
you didn't take the time to capture your gifts and

(29:49):
to put them all together and to share them, people
would really miss that healing moment and that moment of
just being able to like feel better and relate and
have a safe outlet.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, that's true. And so it's a fund my favor lift.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
My favorite people and artists and just people that I
look up to feel the same way. They're like, oh,
I feel like I have imposter syndrome, like what am
I doing here? And I think there is something to
that because you can tell the ones that just think
they're everything, you know, when they have the arrogance. And
I think there's something about having confidence. And I do

(30:27):
have a confidence about what I do. I know I'm
good at what I do. I will say that, but.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
But I walk in rooms.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Even to this day, and I've been doing this for
over a decade, and I feel like I don't always
belong or I feel like, man, I hope that a
song comes out today, you know, or can I actually
do this?

Speaker 3 (30:47):
You know?

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Or walking in here? What do I have to talk about?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Like, I don't know. I'm just a girl from Alabama,
you know. And I never really want to lose.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
That, honestly. I don't ever want to lose that, because
that's how I honestly feel. I'm just like, it's kind
of the even in production, people like, oh, you're killing
it in production, and I'm like, if you only saw me,
like putting these videos together and putting these tracks together.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
It takes me hours.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
You see like a minute clip of it, but it
takes me hours to come up with something, you know.
And so but we're all kind of we're all like,
in a way, faking it till we make it, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
That's kind of what I'm doing. And it's working.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
And I know that I'm not all the way faking it.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
But let's say you're not faking it.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
I'm not faking it because this is far as skill
set goes, as far as like certain like when I
say production, I feel like I'm in a way being like, Okay,
I'm putting out there.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Jumping when because you felt the calling and you're jumping
before it's fully finished, which is what you're supposed to do. Yeah,
and that's what the people who impact the world do.
You're taking a leap before you can see the full picture.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yes, And I can't think about the full picture because
then there's what is this? So it's so overwhelming?

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well, and the full picture isn't ever there, you know,
it's like whatever you think it is, that's definitely not
what it's gonna be. No.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Never, it's never through these wide open doors that you think, oh,
this is gonna be the moment that's gonna change everything.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
It's always through like the random obscure corner back window.
You know, it's like a little light. Yes, that's usually,
that's usually what gets you to these moments.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
And I think you have to just keep pursuing the
next heartfelt moment that you're called to, you know exactly,
you just even if you don't know what you're doing,
it's like you didn't mean to write Zoom of Beach,
but like you just let your heart lead you and
let the vulnerability lead you, and you didn't stop it, you.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Know exactly, and you said it earlier. I appreciate you
said something about how it feels like I'm not trying
too hard, and that's been something I think that comes
with age. You know, in my thirties, I don't care
as much as I used to. Like when I was
in my twenties, I was so insecure and just cared
about what everybody thought. And the older that I get,

(33:08):
the less I care about what people think about me,
and it's so freeing and I'm just able to like
relax and be myself. You know, I used to be
so I wish I had a different personality. I wish
I was so bubbly and like, you know, just colorful
and all these things, and I'm just not. I'm pretty chill, melancholy,
like laid back. And I've learned to just embrace that

(33:31):
about myself.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
And I like that about you. Well, thank you.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
It's calling me too, thank you, thank you. I've learned
to love that about myself. But for so long, you know,
I remember going to I think I was like nineteen
or twenty and I was doing an interview like this
at a radio station and I got some feedback, Like
my manager called me the next day and was just like, yeah,

(33:54):
the radio host said that you don't have a big
enough personality and that you're not funny enough.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
And one person about how about this?

Speaker 3 (34:02):
One radio person feels like they have the authority to
decide what makes someone magical.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
I'm freaking eighteen years old, like I'm still a child.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
And also like that's just not seeing the person for
what it is, you know, for who they are, and
that just.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Wasn't who I was. But that messed me up for
so long, and I was just like, I'm not cut
out for this, Like I think crazy.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
One comment, yeah, mess you up. One comment from an
idiot can mess you up.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
But you're a manager, I.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Mean, maybe you still have the same manager. No, no, no, no,
shouldn't have even told you that, you know, like that
was a double bad move. Yeah, because nobody has the
authority to tell someone why they're great or not, because
it's it's a holy thing. Everyone's great for their own
particular God given reason, you know, and so no one
has the authority to say, your personality is not how

(34:52):
it should be because it's your personality is God given.
So when people say that kind of stuff, I'm like,
who on earth? I hate do you think you are?
I hate that you're so caught up in your own
ego that you don't even see the holiness of people
as individuals. Yeah, anyway, Sorry, I just went off on
a rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh thank you, thanks for standing up for me. Well,
I just it's just not right, because it's just not true.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Because everyone is given a whole set of personality, little
unique inklings that are just theirs, with gifts and talents
and your circumstances and your life upbringing all the things
that shaped you into who you are.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
That's what makes you the special person exactly.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
And you know you were all like big personalities and
extroverted the world of yap in Chihuahua.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Lord, can you imagine everyone would just be screaming at
each other, which they kind of are already. We need
the calm people to we need to bring it back,
we introspective ones.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
To give us some insight. Yeah exactly. But so that
messed you up for a long time, that one comment.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
It did.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah, I used to think, Man, I just if I
could just like move to another city and just become
a different person, Like I'll have like I'll be loud,
and I'll be extra and I'll be bubbly. Like I
can do this, you know, I act and put on
this character. I used to think that isn't that crazy?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Crazy? It's like, I'll just be someone else, right, I'm
going to take inventory of all the people who I
think have figured it out and are crushing it and
have the right look and the right personality and dress
this way and act this way and do this, and
I'm just gonna quickly formulate it and just become that.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I really did think that.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah. Yeah, I think a lot of us feel that way,
especially before we realize the power of ourselves, which you have.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
And I think I've only scratched the surface, you know,
because I still have my moments where I get a
little shy or I'm like, I don't know, like somebody
who stands next to me and they outshine me, and
I'm like, oh, okay, I'll go over here.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Nobody nobody outshines you. Oh no, they do, girl. But
it's okay, Okay. I just want to tell you this.
This is a hard No. Nobody outshines you.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
You are so uniquely you are so uniquely gifted. I'm
telling you, you are your own flavor. You are so
good and like your music is so real and the
way you produce it is so real, and nobody is out.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Trying to you.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
You're very cold.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
You are very much your own contribution, and I'm trying
to learn that. I think.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
I yeah, I'm getting there. For the most part. I
do love myself, I really do. But yeah, it's not easy,
especially when we live in this world of comparison.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
We'll take you right down.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Spending way too much time on social media. It really
doing this what? And But that's the crazy part is like,
you know, I post all these highlights, you know, on
my social media. I'm pretty active now your social media,
I've embraced it. I have embraced it.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I mean, you got great content.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
It's cool content too, thank you, and it's like really
intriguing and it's like real life stuff, but it's always
in cool settings.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I'm like, God, you're really doing it well.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Thank you. But you know, yes, I've done some really
cool things this year. But also so you know, sometimes
when I'm posting things. It's something I've done like two
months ago, you know, and I'm like in my pj's
laying in bed and like miserable or.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Depressed or something or like having a bad day.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
And then I'll just post that and people like, oh,
what are you doing today? What are you I'm like, Oh,
I'm just chilling in my bed, you know. So it's
so funny. We have to be careful because you know,
we have all this stuff on our phones that we
can post. And yes, I've done amazing things, but it's
not always rainbows and butterflies and highlights, you know. No, no, no,
no there.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I like Michael and I are trying to meditate. My
husband's same is Michael. We're trying to meditate now because
they say with meditation, which this makes a lot of
sense to me, Like we get on this loop in
our mind. You know, it's like a hamster whel So
you have all the things that are stressing out, all
the traumas that you're going through, all the pain that
you're experiencing, the.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Grief, whatever, the joys, the highlights, the job stuff, like
all the to do lists.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
It's like what you you know, like everything there's a
whole freaking list that we just are constantly running through
in our head.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
And everybody's list is different. So when you meditate, it
just like you stop your brain. That's why I love yoga.
You stop your brain and like you just make it
me blank.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
And so like all these thoughts that like want to
come and just like start yapping at you and like
getting you back on the to do list, getting you
back on that grind, It's like, no, you just stop
and you stop your brain for like that amount of time,
and you push those thoughts out and you literally just
clear your brain and it's like, oh my god, I
give your brain a break from having to keep that
list going. Yes, and then when you come back, after

(39:34):
you've done your meditation and stopped your brain and just
gotten it silenced, maybe you don't even want to pick
your list up anymore. Maybe you have a chance to
think about it and you're like, oh, that isn't actually
serving me to think about that and to obsess about
that and distress about this.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, like I need to stop and like slow down.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yes, totally, No, that's so productive and powerful to just
stop and rest.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I've also realized the magic and the greatness for artists
and people who have these moments like they're Chris Stapleton
moment or whatever, you know, like we're finally you get
on the stage with Justin to really like in the
world for the first time, finally can see how great
it is. You know where it's been great all along,
but you need the moment to make it happen. But
it's like you, it's like you're so great, you're so authentic.

(40:19):
You're pouring your heart out. You're making this music come
from your soul, like you're sharing your story. You're helping
people heal, you're healing yourself, you're putting it out, you're
showcasing yourself over and over again.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
You're doing the work.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
We're finally it's just gonna happen like a moment, like
it already did happen, like with the you know, get
your fight back. It's like it'll just happen because the
world needs it and it's just a matter of time
before it's received because it's real.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
It's so true, but it's real. What you're doing is real. Yeah,
thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
And I have a lot of aspiring artists come up
to me and they're like, you know, how do you
go viral or how do you put yourself out there?
And you know, I've tried. I've tried social media, I've
tried posting, and it doesn't work. You know. I don't
know what I'm doing when it comes to TikTok, you know,
and I'm just like, I try to be kind, you know,

(41:15):
but in the back of my mind, I'm like, I
feel like people are just lazy. And I'm like, you
want to write songs, you want to get to the platforms,
but you don't want to put in the work, you know.
And that's the thing is, you've got to It takes
more than just one thing to put out there and oh, well,
I tried, it didn't work, you know. It actually takes
like I mean, I've been you know, on on Instagram

(41:39):
posting like I plateaued it like thirty forty thousand followers
for years, and then it just took that one song,
just one song, for it to grow over one hundred thousand,
and so I'm like, okay. And some would look at
that and be like, oh, that was an overnight success,
you know, but they don't see like the year and

(42:00):
the labor and the you know, writing the bad songs.
To get to the good song, not even the bad songs,
but the the good songs, to get to the great
songs and going through those things in life and then
somehow channeling that energy into a song and somehow like
that translating to people at the right time, and then

(42:22):
it just blowing up.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Like you can't.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Strategize that. You just have to, you know, wake up
in the morning and just be like, all right, I'm
gonna try today and we'll see what comes out. And
it's like going to the gym. You know, you're not
going to see results right away, like probably for like
six months at least for me, Like I'm not going
to see results. You know, you got to get in

(42:47):
there every single day. You got to like put in
the work. And that's what I tell people. I'm like,
and I'm still I look at my social media. I'm
like I should be way further.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Along, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
I'm looking at other people being like how do I
get over here? And then they're looking at me being
like how do I get there? Then there's people that
looking at them, being like how.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Do I get there?

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Exactly know, but I'm always looking at We're always looking
at other people being like, oh, I want to get
to that level.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Theirs is just the same thing.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
And I've realized this from doing these podcasts and just
living life. It's like, you just get to the oh
my god, the level that you're wanting to get to.
You get there by just doing the work every day
and showing up authentically and getting better and growing and
learning and putting yourself out there. And then finally, one
day it just all connects in a certain way and

(43:36):
it takes you up to another level, right, and you
can't plan for it. And that's how everybody who's on
these next levels got there, whether they know it or not,
they finally just it just all connected and they leveled up.
And it's just that's all it is, is it just
keep showing up, keep trying, keep being awesome, keep doing
your gifts, keeping chiseling it, chipping away at it, and
then one day it'll connection, you'll go to another level,

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and then it'll continue.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Like that forever.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
So you might as well stop looking around, is what
I tell myself, because it's like, get ideas, right, and
it's so important to like see inspiration and be like,
oh that's possible. Oh that gives me an idea to
do this for me or whatever. But it's like, ultimately,
it's your own race. There's no way to no one else.
There's nothing else to do but run your own race.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
You can't.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yeah, yeah, comparison will I've heard the quote comparison.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Is the thief of joy.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Yeah it is, and it's so true, Like you have
to kind of stay in your lane. Yeah, get inspiration,
get ideas. But I think people these days, they can
like they can sniff out the bs, you know, they
can like tell if you're not being authentic, and so
you have to be authentic, like what is it that
you carry that nobody else? Like what gift do you have?

(44:52):
What is it that's unique about you? What do you
have to say? What's your story? It's not mine, you know,
So don't come to me for the answers. Like I
think it's just tapping into ourselves and just be like,
all right, this is what I have to offer.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
And being willing to share it.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah. Yeah, and you don't have to share it, Like
I don't share half of what I've been through, you know,
because I'm a pretty private person. I don't like airing
out my dirty laundry, you know. But I share enough
to where people are like, oh, should have been through something,
you know, like and I'll say through my lyrics certain
things that I've that I the emotions that I feel

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from certain things that I've been through. And so I
think there's definitely like attacked and like you can be
delicate with certain things, like there's a I don't know
the word that I'm trying to find, but yeah, you
don't have to like air out everything.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
And that's what I'm learning, is I mean, like you's strategic,
but that's strategic, but like, yeah, you don't.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, you just you don't have to tell everything to everyone,
but when you do, you can be you go all
the way.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Exactly and you can just I think, like I said,
people can tell whether you're being authentic or not.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah. So I love that, Sarah. I love it.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I am inspired by you. I'm I love your songs
like you're someone I just would want to listen to.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Oh that's very sweet, and I feel like you are.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
I really feel like you are walking in your God
given gift and journey and I feel like you're figuring
out a way to keep yourself in alignment with like
your truth and your like real reason for doing this. Yeah,
And I just think that that always is it. And
I just know because you're living like this and doing
this and putting yourself out there in this way that like,

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I mean, I believe in God too.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
It's like God's going to use you. And I think
about that this all the time about myself. I'm like, God,
you're doing some work on me, not to use me.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I'm like you were like putting me through it not
to like totally use me.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
And it's like the same as you. It's like you're
learning these lessons. You're like keeping your faith, You're feeling God,
you're trusting, You're like showing up in a dark world
as a light over and over again, and like believing
in the higher calling. It's like God is not gonna
not use all this goodness of you, Yeah, because we
need it.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
The world needs it.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
The world truth is dark and light and like I
feel like more than ever, you can just feel the
spiritual warfare and like the tension and it's like the
light has to be used.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yes, and that is you.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Yeah, thank you. I appreciate you saying that, and I
love what you're doing too, and just the platform that
you have and everything that you've been through is not
in vain at all.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Like I know it has to make sense one day, right.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Nothing is wasted, no tear is wasted, It really isn't.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I've been in that acceptance right now because and I
was telling Sarah this, like I'm not trying to get
like all into this. I've talked about miscarriage before in
the past, and like, you know, it's just I have
one beautiful, amazing daughter, Sonning, who I love so much,
and like we're so blessed that it's like when you
deal with loss, which I'm dealing with again, it's like,
oh my God. And it's just like you know, like

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you have this even with like your marriage, like you know,
you were married, you got married because you planned on
being married, and then that dream goes away. And it's
like you know, when you find out you're pregnant and
then that goes away. It's like you know, you've created
this whole other life and then it ends, and it's
just like acceptance. Acceptance is like the hardest lesson and
I think I'm just getting this one beat over my

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head these days.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Is except that God has a plan for you and
accept that.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
I had had this idea of how I thought life
would be, and then when it's not, just to trust
that God has a plan and it's not wasted.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Yeah, that's hard.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
It is very hard.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
It's really hard.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I'm really like getting it on this one because I'm like,
I have no other strategy, you know, I've been beat
down so hard with this one particular lesson of acceptance,
and I'm like, okay, God, I mean literally, I'm just
gonna trust you m that, like this pain is for
a big reason. And I'm just like, I don't know.
I can't see a future, I can't see a plan.

(49:03):
I don't know how to make sense of this, but
I just have to, like, and you know, I get
worried because then I'm like, okay, we're not gonna have
any more kids, Sondy's being an only child, and then
I go down this rabbit hole of fear like is
she gonna be statuy and I'm a sibling and yeah,
but it's like stop stop stop fine, right, stop it, yeah,
like stop all this fear I'm living. I'm creating questions
and fear and scenarios that just are out of my control.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
So just have faith and accept and I'm like, I
can't do it. I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
God.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
I need to know a plan, but I'm having to
learn that. Yeah, and trust that God has a good plan.
Exactly how do you do that? I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
That's the thing is, like I whenever I go through
stuff like that, and just what you're saying, Like, I
think in these moments, the last thing I want is
for somebody to come up to me and be like,
God has a plan. Just trust God, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
But I hat you're feeling is good to serve. Yeah,
it's like I don't want to hear that.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I know it's true.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I know he does, but he and you look back
on history and people's stories. He always redeems it and
uses it for a higher calling. But you still have
to go through it.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I girl.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Yeah, there was this girl that came up to me
when I was in the thick of my divorce and
you know, I was crying and I was just like
I don't know what to do. And she came up
and she's like, Hey, no matter what happens, everything's gonna
be okay. And I don't know why, but like that
little phrase just wrapped around my soul and I just

(50:40):
never let go of that. And it was something that
I also say to other people that are going, I
know that's It's kind of the same thing as saying
like God has a plan, you know, it's everything's gonna
but for some reason, like that simple phrase, like it's
all gonna be okay, no matter what happens, Like it's
been true. Yeah, I look back and I'm like, yeah,
I'm fine, Like I'm let's off breath of my lungs,

(51:02):
like I'm fine, Like I'm here doing the thing, you know, Like, yeah,
it sucks and it's hard, but like life has been okay.
You know, it's actually been more than okay. And so
I hang on to that phrase and and also just
like being okay to sit in the pain, you know,
and just letting it out and grieving. It's like we

(51:24):
have to, like I said earlier, we have to do that,
otherwise it'll just like stay in there and so be sad.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, everybody has broken dreams. That's what I've realized too.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
It's like for so long I was able to like
keep pushing this boulder up the hill, and like I
think things would not go high want of them to go.
But I was able to like nagle it back on
track somehow or like it wasn't like too huge of
a of a crash that like it was a total car,
you know, I was.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Able to keep kind of swerving it and getting it back.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
And then finally it's just like with like losses, with
like the baby journey, I'm just like, oh my god,
I can't force this the way I want it, you know,
And it's and then you see other people who like
are getting what you wanted, and you're so happy for them,
but you're like, what's wrong with me?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Like why is this not happy?

Speaker 3 (52:12):
It's probably how you look around other artists, like why
do I not have this particular set of circumstances they have?
But it's also like because this is my journey, because
this is what I'm supposed to be doing, because this
is my lessons. Is they have their own lessons. They
have their own boulders that are crashing, they have their
own total cars.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
It's like exactly, you have a divorce that you're having
to go through. I have this loss that I'm going through.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
We probably maybe we won't ever have the same heartaches,
but it's like everybody has their own stuff, and maybe
they do overlap, but it's also like there's no point
in like looking at one person and thinking like, oh
my god, that person is like rocking it because they
are behind the scenes dealing with some major heart heartbreaking
things too, you know exactly.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
I think, you know, just the thing that I fall
back on to is is gratitude and just to not
to ignore the negative things that are happening, but to
really wake up in the morning and just like think
about all of the things in my life that I
should be grateful for, you know, Like I have a
good family, I'm able to like live in an amazing

(53:16):
place and pay my rent every month and not worry
about that.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
With your passion, yeah, I do what I love for
your job, like, yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Yeah, Like I may not have, you know, And I
fear the things that you're saying, like, oh, you know,
my daughter may not have a sibling. I'm like, I
may never find a husband, I may never have a child, right,
Like that's a scary thought. And I go down that
rabbit hole and I'm like, wow, that's I don't want
to think about that, you know, But I am thinking
about like, okay, but my life is full and it's good,

(53:49):
you know. And and I look at you and I
walk even like driving up here, I'm like, wow, look
at this amazing house and oh she's got a husband
that's doing his thing in there, and cute room with
her daughter set up, and like I'm just like wow,
I'm looking at you being like, that's that's the coal,
you know, and so and I'm not putting you.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I'm saying, don't be totally.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
No, it's what you were going back to earlier. It's
like the chain of effect. And I'm looking over here
and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I can't believe that this is gonna maybe be my reality,
you know. And it's like it's a great reality.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
And I know it's a great reality, but it's like
you hang on to that moment of sadness, in that
moment of loss, in that moment of what you didn't have,
don't have, it might not ever get.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Yeah. So I think it's just like, Okay, yes, I'm
gonna grieve this, but I'm also gonna choose to be
grateful with what I have, right no, and know that
there are people in this world that are suffering, right,
really suffering exactly, and and I just have to be like,
all right, perspective, Yeah, let me step back for a

(54:55):
minute and put my life into perspective. Oh wow, life
is beautiful. You know, it's really amazing. So okay, I'm
gonna be grateful for that, and not that I can't
want these other things, and not that I can't be
sad about things that I lose or even you know,
like in your case, yes, it's awful. And I do

(55:16):
believe that God is going to give you another child.
I really do believe that. But even if he doesn't,
even if he doesn't, life is good. Yeah, And I
just believe that with my whole heart that if we
just embrace that reality and the gratitude and the things
that we do have, then you know, our hearts will

(55:36):
be full of joy no matter what happens.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
And it's like you said in the song Zuma, which
I love this line. It's like, oh, I have to
say it perfectly. It says some people lose their heart
to the one who broke them. And I'm like, yeah,
let's just talk about that for one minu and we'll
wrap up. But it's just like, you have this choice
in your life and it's like you said earlier, you
have to agree that you have to feel, that you
have to feel emotions.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
But like you have this choice where it's like I'm going.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
To forever say stuck in this heartbreaking, awful feeling that
wrecked me from this situation or human or whatever happened
the circumstance. This was so painful and so hard for me,
and it rocked me so deeply that I'm not ever
going to get out of this place.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I'm going to stay here.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I'm going to I'm so destroyed that I'm going to
just stay here because I'm not ever going to find
the energy to get out of it. And this one
moment that is very big and very painful, but it's
not my whole life, but it's this one really big
tidal wave moment that hit me. I'm going to let
my house stay flattened forever. I'm not going to rebuild it.
I'm going to just die right here.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
And it's like you have that choice, and I get it.
And some people have tragedies and traumas that are so
big that like you literally don't have the strength, you
don't feel like to get out of it.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
But it's like that's why I love your songs.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
And it's like you can die in that spot and
some people can let it just stay there and nobody's
going to you. Everybody's gonna understand because it sucks. But
then you also have this moment that's why I love
your music to like don't let the fight song like
your last fight, You're.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Gonna get back.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
You're gonna get back your fight.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
You also have this moment where after you like get
through your grieving and your pain, where it's like, Okay,
that happened, that was awful, but like I still am alive.
Like you're saying going back to the gratitude part of
life instead of the pain that took you down and
crushed you. It's like, yeah, I know that feeling and
it's awful and I could live there forever, but like
there's also these other feelings that I have to choose

(57:36):
from that are so good, and I'm going to choose those, yeah,
because I'm still here and I'm gonna do the best
I can, and so I'm gonna keep moving forward, you know.
And it's like you have that choice, and that's why
I love your music, because you're saying that in your songs.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Yeah, well you can choose to let it, as Kelly
Clarkson would say, and it either kills you or makes
you stronger, and so or what doesn't kill you makes
you stronger, it does and that is so true. And
you can channel all of that heartache and use it
for good. And people think about all the people that

(58:09):
you're impacting with your story, like more than you know,
more than you realize, more than you can count now
and in the future. So it's such a beautiful thing.
And I'm proud of you.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I know we just met, but I'm proud of you
for doing this well. Thank you, Sarah.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
And I'm proud of you because your music hits me
where my life hits me. It's like you're putting words
to how I feel inside. And it's like when I
heard that, uh you know what I keep saying with
the get back up, You're your fight.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Get back a fight.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
I hear that song and I'm like, and that's why
never messing. It hits you up, because for whatever reason,
it hit her too. It's like when you are at
the losing end of a fight, which like I am
right now, you know, and a lot of us feel.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
It's like, oh, Okay, I can do this.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Yeah, I can do this.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
I can do this, and then you hear that song,
You're like, Okay, thank you for those words, thank you
for that music, Like thank you for.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Telling me this because I need that.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
You know. It's like we all need each other's gifts
and contributions to help us heal and keep going.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
That's so true.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
So I just appreciate you, Sarah.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
I think you're amazing and I love your voice, I
love your songs, I love what you're doing. I think
your content is amazing. So whatever, putting yourself out there
and doing the hard work, like you said, in action,
it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Yeah, thank you. I always wrap opp tunity here, I
was wrap up.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Thank you for would leave your light. And it's super
open ended. We've had a very heartful conversation, so the
whole thing is light. But what do you want people
to know.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Just in general? Yeah, that's a great question. I know
it's so simple, but I just want people to know
that they're not alone, because like everything that we've been
talking about, you know, you pass somebody on the sidewalk,
the street or at the grocery store or wherever, like,

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they all have something that they're battling. They all have
something that they're going through, and probably nine out of
ten of them thinks that they're alone and what they're facing,
and they're not. There's nothing new under the sun, and
so yeah, you're not alone. That's what I would say
to people. And God's got you. Whether you believe it

(01:00:20):
or not, it's fine. God's got you. He does have
a plan. And yeah, everything's gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Andrese, I was wrapped around my soul. I'm gonna keep
saying it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Everything's gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I love that, Sarah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
I also just want to add to what you said
because I agree completely that there's my little light that
I feel like if you are at the bottom of
like you're saying, at the bottom of your tidal wave,
like you have been wrecked. Just now echoing you, all
the people that you respect and love the most, who

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you look up to, have also been wrecked.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
They just got back up. They figured out how to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Get their fight back, exactly, and that's the only difference, exactly.
And nobody's more special than you because everybody hates the
freaking mat they really do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
The greatest people, the greatest influencers, have gone through the
hardest battles.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
They just got back up. They found their fight again
and that's it, and that's the only difference. Yep, so
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Everyone listen to Sarah's music Best Days. That's your album.
It's out, It's out, I mean music platform. All the
songs are so inspiring. I appreciate you. This is so fun.
You're awesome. You're such a fan, such a fan. Bye bye.