February 26, 2024 • 55 mins
In this episode, Caroline sits down with singer-songwriter Sarahbeth Taite. They discuss Sarahbeth unexpectedly getting pregnant with her daughter and how she navigated concerns it would impact her music career as an up-and-coming-artist in an industry that prioritizes public perception. Sarahbeth talks about a demo of her song “Long Way” going viral in 2020, leading to her gaining a huge TikTok following and the pressure to continue to meet the ‘viral’ expectation of the industry. Sarahbeth shares about her time as a contestant on American Idol. Also, Caroline and Sarahbeth get into her backstory of how she landed a publishing deal at just 14-years-old on a trip to Nashville which led to her moving from Colorado to town at 17-years-old completely on her own to pursue music.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
At Carne. She's a queen and talking and song. She's
getting really not afraid to fake, so so just let
it flow.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
No one can do we quiet car line is sound
for Caroline.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Okay, I'm so excited to be here on Get Real Podcast,
Sarah Beth Tait, Hey.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm so excited to be here. I'm so glad you're here.
I brought Ruby for you. Yeah, Ruby, my dog.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Ruby's just chilling.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And you also have a cavapoo I do.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I did not know that we were bringing cavia poos today,
or I would have brought your I would have brought
her Franny Franny.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
That you know, that's like one of my favorite names, Franny.
You have to be adorable when your name is Franny.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
We actually a few times we'll like say, oh, this
is Franny and somebody's like, my sister's name is Franny
or my daughter's name is Frannie, and we're like, well,
she's basically a person, so that fits totally this. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Okay, So, Sarahbeth, I am really excited about your story because,
first off, you moved to Nashville when you were sixteen
seventeen seventeen. Did your mom come with you did you
look by yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
She dropped me off.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You looked by yourself at seventeen? Yes, Like, gosh, were
you so scared? I did?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I I was crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I was crazy. So you just had to get here
as fast as you could.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yes, you're just going hard to Nashville as soon as
it made sense.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I graduated a semester early from high school and I
drove from Colorado in my Chevy Silverado.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
By the way, follow you on TikTok, Sarah Beth Tade
on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
She is You're so adorable. I saw the truck video
where you sold your truck. That your first truck that your.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Dad bought you. You really dug deep. I love that.
I like to know somebody, Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I was sobbing when I sold that truck, like I
could not get a hold of myself. The people who
bought it from me were like, are you okay? Like
we don't have to buy it.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's like, no, I need to sell it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But you're like, my first kiss was in here, my
first dates, my first heartbreak. And then you're like, these
people don't even know all the memories are getting when
they buy this truck.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Exactly, You're really good.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
At TikTok because you like evoke my emotions. Thank you
so crying on camera.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
We'll apparently do that. Yeah, I drove that truck when
I was seventeen. The what two days it took us
to get from Colorado to Nashville. And I did have
a roommate, so I moved in with a roommate, but
I did not go to college. My sweet parents dropped
me off and let me where did you live? I
(02:46):
lived off of West End, so.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You had a play set up and everything.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, and you just made on like Facebook, Oh my
gosh where we met.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Maybe I'm just so nervous. I feel so nervous.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, I know, Oh my gosh, I like I can't
even imagine letting my daughter.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, because you got one, you got a daughter house cannot.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I'm like, wow, Okay, I have a lot of I
have a lot of letting go to do before before
we're there.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
That's a good song. Look at you writing songs all
the time. Okay, I'm Rube's hopping down, Mattie.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
She's your doctor. Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Ruby came on the podcast before with doctor Josie, which
is secret and it's not out. So we won't talk
about that, but she did great on the podcast, and
now she's grown up a couple of months since she's
born to be wild, So by rubs, yeah, I mean
just to like get dropped off that young in a
big city to chase your big dream.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
I remember. It's so funny because for the most part,
I'm like, yeah, I was so brave and like knew
what I wanted and I was so I had like
beginners like confidence, like irrational confidence, you know. But I
do remember that first night going to bed and being like,
what have I done?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It was like, wait, what I done?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I need to go back to Colorado right now, which,
you know, I got through it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The first year was like a little rough. What was
it like?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
That transition year because I remember these feelings so vividly,
and they're hard to describe when you're literally like busting
out of one mold that you've known your whole life
and stepping into a whole new mold and everything's new
and you're like having to like find your way and
like your feelings are all disrupted.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
That's I mean, that's a great way of describing it.
I And two it was so hard.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I think college.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Gives you like a built in group of it gives
you a built in community of people who are all
in the same phase of life as you. And I
had a publishing deal at the time, I was working jobs.
I didn't want to spend money on a degree that
I wasn't going to use. So I'm still proud of
that choice. But I did miss out on the friend group,
(04:57):
and so I think I felt a little bit like,
where are my people? How am I going to meet
my people? And so I kind of did a lot
of like floating in that and that was.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Hard because hard were you a floater before? I was
a little bit?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
They were, yeah, like back in your day, how'd you float?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Like in high school? You're floating.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I was in a tight group in middle school, and
then in high school, I just kind of started doing
my own thing with music. And I came to Nashville
for the first time, and I really I was just
a little, like slightly bit removed because I was so
focused on what I wanted to do. I was like,
so you're just like listen. My mind was out of
high school. I was like, I just want to get
(05:36):
this over with. Yeah, you're not worried about the PEP rally.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
You're like, how did I get to Nashville and write
my first single?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Exactly exactly. I got to get there yesterday, yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
So I just I think, yeah, it was like that
for me for a while as a teenager. So yeah,
I think I just when I got here, I think
I started feeling that, like, wait, I really need a community,
and I need I had a solid group of people
that I worked with that were a lot older than me,
that were mentors to me. And really I think that's
(06:06):
part of why my parents were comfortable dropping me off,
was my publishers at the time. And I mean everybody
that I worked with was really a strong, like role
model for me. And I worked with a lot of
women who took.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Care of me here.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That's great, that was huge, But it wasn't people my age,
you know, going through.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Exactly what I was going through.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So that was a journey.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
But I actually met my husband when I I mean
I was I'd only been here for about a year,
maybe a little over a year when I met him
at church, So that was a.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Blessing, okay, And it was a big church.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And I love the story about this So had you
had a heartbreak before, because you wrote like a heartbreak
song that went viral.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Oh yeah, I mean plenty of heartbreaks before.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But you were that old to.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Have a big heartbreak old But you know.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So how old were you? You were seventeen when you
met your husband, so you'd already know.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I was eighteen, eighteen eighteen when I met him. I
was like going on a night teen by the time
I met him.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Okay, so but you'd already had a full heartbreak before.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, Oh, I had one of the I had one
of those kind of long time boyfriends throughout high school.
So I had kind of the one on and off
forever quote unquote serious like for years. Yeah, not serious,
but it felt at the time, right, the most serious
thing you've ever experienced. Yes, And that kind of carried
over a little bit into me living in Nashville. He
(07:27):
was in Colorado, and I kind of had that going
like on and off toxic.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Thing for a little bit and.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Anyways got over that. So that's where some of those
songs come from it.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And that first song that went viral was called long Way,
Long Way, And talk to me about that one because
and then I want to talk about your husband, because
I feel like this next song that went viral was you.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Just released it last year. Yep, right on time, right
on time.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
That's about your husband and like getting married before you
thought you were already having a baby, before you were
thought you were already which I love all that, thank
you so much. But so yeah, let's talk about the
first song that went viral though, and how that happened
and what I'd like to go viral on TikTok Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It was it was.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Like surreal because this was twenty twenty. It was before
we all really even knew what TikTok was.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Okay, so you were in the beginning, Yes, we're in
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I think it was coke.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I think Covid had just I think we were like,
you know, and my husband and I were in this
tiny little condo together like obviously not married at the time,
but we were just bored with nothing else to do.
And he is always ahead of the game behind this. Yes,
oh he knows like just pop culture. He's just in
(08:44):
the no like he's adorable.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
He so he's like he's the happiest person to live,
he really is.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I feel like I was like.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
So he goes, babe, you got to get on TikTok
and I was like, I don't know what TikTok is,
and all I know that it's people dancing and I
don't dance. And he's like, no, people, there's all these
songs on TikTok and yours are better, so I think
that you should just get a TikTok and I was like,
I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So he literally coaches me.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
He's like helping me set up the account, and I
was posting I mean, cover songs and a bunch of
different stuff up until you know twenty twenty, I think
is spring or summer of twenty twenty. And he's like,
we gotta just start because we listened to all these demos.
You know this we all. I mean, there's so many
songs where you listen in your car to your own
(09:29):
demo on repeat and nobody.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Ever hears it right, and then they just die a sad,
lovely death. And there were such a great songs.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Exactly in your mind. You're like, that was a stadium.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And ra exactly and no one ever hears it exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
And it was really at the beginning of people sharing
those demos. It was really like, oh, you know, I
think I'd seen I'd seen Priscilla Block post a song
that was going crazy. I'd seen a few of these
people start getting traction from posting their demos that didn't
(10:03):
have to be all like shined up and perfect and
pretty and like.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Ready to go exactly. And so I was like, I
can do that.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
And I have all these songs that I love and
long Way I had written long Way I think maybe
two years before, and I thought, well, this is one
I love, and I just I posted a clip of
it and it just started, it started going crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And the first one you posted it went crazy. The
first one I posted that abnormal.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I mean, I don't even remember the numbers on it either,
so like it was crazy to me. Who knows if
it was, but I mean it was like one hundred
thousand likes and go.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Like one hundred thousand followers overnight, right.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yes, like overnight?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Is that what happens? I don't just like find it
and they're like, oh my god, I'm crazy about this.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
So this was a phase, I will say, I feel
like that beginning stage of TikTok where we all were
finding it and everybody was at home and you know,
didn't have anything to do. It was like people were
so excited to be finding music, and people were so
excited to be finding artists on there for the first time.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And so I think there was a moment, like a
golden moment.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yes, I do think it's different now because we're so
saturated in that market. But it was really exciting because
people were just so genuinely excited to hear something that
they loved, and I was excited that they had found it,
and so it just really kind of kept going. And
then I had to figure out how to get the
song out.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh so then there was what do you do?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I mean, it's this demo that I've had for two
years and I had to re record it, and so
I think it was I think it ended up being
about three months between the time that it kind of
started popping off to when we released it. And I
was so worried because I thought this was, you know,
one viral video and by the time I get the
song out three months from now, it's not gonna it's
(11:50):
not gonna matter, nobody's gonna care, it's not gonna hit anymore.
And every single video I posted just kept connecting, like
over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Why do you think it was connecting because you were
so honest and real and just sharing your heart. I
think there's something you're so beautiful, Like I just like
to look at your face, like when you talk, I'm
just like watching your lips.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'm like, what lick cluster are you wearing? It looks
so good.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
It's like it's like rubbing off and thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
You are a really pretty face to look at.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And then you have so much else to say and
seeing I'm like, I am, I'm engaged.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I love it. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
So you genuinely like the communication with Chicknos is so
like it was so I had been in this world
of trying to make it in the music industry where.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
You know, we're singing in a meeting for a fifty
year old man in a suit who's like giving us nothing.
You know, it's like there's no even if somebody loves
it one day and wants to give you this deal
or that deal or whatever. It's like there's not the
same excitement as when people just find something that they
like listening to. Really, it's all that matters.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I mean, we're all just trying to get to people listening,
people who can connecting exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yea, so it was finally a way to go, Oh,
we just skipped like all the gay all of the
unnecessary steps to just actually do what matters.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And I didn't connecting it And I don't have.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
To do this song and dance exactly, and they can
if it makes sense sometimes, but you don't have to
like go chase that down exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
And I think, you know, there's something about that song
that is empowering. I think a lot of people who
I had I wrote that song coming off of a breakup,
and I think for whatever reason, anybody who was in
that moment felt the same thing. And it just really
it just really resonated. And I was so grateful that
(13:46):
that TikTok.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Was a thing.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I mean, I know, we all it's a love hate relationship. Everybody,
do you have a love hate relationship? I feel like
you're pretty good at loving it. I'm pretty good at
loving it because I think that's why it's working so
well too, because I have a true love hate slash
more hate than love reallylationship.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But I'm like trying to.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Make myself love it. Like today actually I was watching
you all night and I was like, and Morgan my President.
I was watching both Beyond. I'm like, damn it. They
just post their life and it's so interesting and they
just talk about stuff and they share things. I'm like,
get up and post about your morning, Caroline, just do it.
Just post it, show your hamster, make some coffee, pack
of lunch.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Document it. But my god, this is so hard.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
We need to see the hamster.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Lemonade.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Do liminade. She's on my Instagram story. I'm trying, but
like to me, it's hard. But like for you, I'm like,
you're so joyful and it is adorable about it.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
It is hard to keep up with it.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I will say, it's like a full time real estate
in your brain, Like you have all these things you
have to manage. Plus there's a spot that's like social
media got to.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
General and also post about it and.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Posts like starting the second you wake up, all the
way through your whole day.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's just so much. Okay, I digress.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
It is some well I think that is my That
is my twinge of hate for it is like, oh
my gosh, we feel like we have to and I
think feeling like we have to present a certain way. Yes,
it's it's overwhelming at times, but I think I think
I just don't. I think I just don't post on
those days.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I think I've can you take a day off? Or
did they get mad at you? No, I've given myself.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Oh no, I'm not to the point where people are
mad at me for not posting, like because I have.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Some friends who are like hardcore influencers and they have
to like explain when they're leaving and they have to
let people know when they're taking a break because like
you have an agenda.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, and I see I'm not at that level, Okay,
And maybe I don't want to be, like I just
I've given myself the grace to be like, hmm, you
know today, we just get today. Is ay, get through
the day and you know, put in some dry shampoo,
eave snack and you know, just get through your life
today and don't worry about posting about it.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, you're really great at it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And honestly, like when I was watching you obsessively, I
was like, dang it, I like this, Like it's so
fun to watch you. Like I'm appreciative that you're doing
all this hard work and posting because you're adorable, and
your husband's adorable and your daughter's adorable. And I love
that you moved to Nashville when you're seventeen and you've
never had a record deal and any major deal, and
(16:13):
yet now here you are making it and having your
music being heard. You got to quit your job, And
I'm like, I like your story and I'm so glad
you're posting it.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
But it's a lot of work.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
But anyway, okay, but it resonates so people are like,
oh my gosh, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I see you.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
The song speaks to me. Your singing voice is so
pretty too.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Thank you, Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I think I just got to the point where it's
funny that you mentioned me quitting my job too, because
I moved to town. I had a publishing deal at
the time, but I only had that for the first
couple years that I lived here, and then that deal
timed out and I've had management for a while. But
(16:55):
like you said, no, no record deal, no major publishing deals. No,
I've I an independent artist this whole time.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Was that ever frustrating? Pre TikTok?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Absolutely no, it's it's frustrating. I would say, honestly, up
in the last year or so of my life, I
have fully embraced and just enjoyed the fact that I
don't I just don't need that the way that I
used to need that. I used to just always mark
success off of when can I get a record deal
(17:27):
and when can I get the next publishing deal. And
then I just realized that I don't need that's that's
not success to me anymore. And I worked a lot
of jobs going you know, going through I mean, leading
up to really having my daughter, I was working. I
(17:49):
was working babysitting jobs. I had an admin job at
a wealth management firm that I worked for like six years.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Is that hard?
Speaker 4 (17:56):
No. I loved the people that I worked with, But
I started that job a lot about investing.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
You get all this money, you're gonna know what to
do it? Yes, I did. It's all flowing in now. Yes,
I start. It's you got to quit your job. You're
making streaming money. That's legit. It is. It's very cool.
I mean, that's cool.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
It's very cool. And I had done that for so
long that it was so I mean, it's just all
these things that you.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Work so hard, and you're writing songs in the midst
of all these jobs.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yes, how did you get your first publishing deal? Where
did that come from? Was that pre moving to Nashville
to get it? When you got here?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
No, I got my first publishing deal when I spose that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Helped move you up here? Oh when you're fourteen?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, Kat Gravit No, Kat Gravit was my second publishing deal.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Who else was with her?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Kai Fleming? I love Kai, I love them both.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Hig is my favorite. She loves Abraham Hicks.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
And yes, I have gone to an Abraham Hicks convention
and it is amazing. And I've tried to Kai all
about Abraham Hicks and hold on, we got an intersection. Yes, Morgan,
that is a great question. We would like to know
more in the back, says Morgan. And the president over there,
our president. Yes, the Peanut Gallery actually the Ruby Galary.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
How's Ruby? Great reviews? And grade everyone?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Okay, how does a fourteen year old, this is a
great question get a publishing though.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I would love to know. How did they even know?
How did they find you? How did you find them?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I again with the confidence, I mean, I I was delusional.
I came to Nashville for the first time ever on
a flight with my dad and I was fourteen. It
was for my fourteenth birthday, okay, and I had looked
up NSAI.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You have big birthdays because like your twenty third birthday
and number one on all iTunes across the.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Board, birthdays must be a birthdays for.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You and music.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, so, uh, I went to an NSAI comprasce.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
It was called a song.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Posy, which is a National Songwriter Association Incorporated.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, I made that last part up. And they're incredible.
You guess it was good.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
So they're incredible and they do a lot to educate really,
I mean it was. It was a bunch of class
is taught by publishers, taught by label executives, and you
were on Music Grow going into learn about the music business.
And I thought, well, that's a really good place to
start because I really don't know anything, and.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Here's a bunch of songwriters and publishers exactly all the things.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
But I knew that I wanted to publish it. I
mean I knew I wanted a publishing deal because I
wanted to be a writer. You knew that that existed, yes,
And my parents were like what's a publishing deal? And
I'm like, well, I'm gonna go if you'll let me.
I'm going to do this, this, and this for my birthday.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And they were like, okay, looking at each other. She
seems to know what she wants to do. My parents
aren't musical at all. Did you research this online? You
just figured it out?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I was all over it, like I knew, I knew,
I thought I knew everything, and I knew like this tiny,
tiny enough that you.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Had enough confidence to do like you said, Honestly, having
that blind confidence and knowing just enough when you're that
age is probably all that you needed.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I think it's the only reason it worked. So I
was on the flight. I remember being like, I'm going
to get a publishing deal. You knew it, and it's
gonna have that insane that's insane to think. And I
was in literally the class was called get this how
to get a publishing deal? One oh one. You're just
a big old manifestor And I was sitting in there
with my little notebook and we took the notes whatever.
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It was taught by a guy named Woody Boehmer who's
a big publisher and down for a long time. And anyways,
he ended up wanting to meet with me after the
the courses were over that week, and so I went
into his office and played a few I'm sure terrible songs, but.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Could you sing like you can now? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
I'm sure it probably wasn't great.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I'm listed, Yeah, I mean your beautiful with the voice
of an angel. I think you have forgot a lot
going in your favor.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I'm just glad TikTok wasn't around when I was fourteen,
because I would not want that content following me around.
But anyways, they ended up it was Greenhills Music Group,
and they were like, we want you to, you know,
come back and be able to start co writing and
keep making trips. And so I signed my first publishing deal.
You went back and forth then, and I went back
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and forth.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
But I mean this is also why you're super detached
fro high school, because you're like, already got.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
A publish them. Gay, I am already like halfway in Nashville.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
It was I think it was a good balance. I
think my credit to my family for keeping a good
balance with that. My brother and I are really close.
He was We're just a year apart, and he was
the grade above me in high school and like he
obviously was living his normal high school life. I went
to prom and I went to football games, and my
parents were like, we're.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Not like picking up and moving this family for we
don't even know you did to Nashville for your birthday.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
You said you're gonna get a publishing deal, but geez,
we didn't know you were going to do that.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yes, they're like, what changed your whole life? Yeah, They're like,
what is a publishing deal? And what is happening?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
So we really we took trips when we could, and
my mom and I have a lot of amazing memories
from doing that together. And really I just counted down
to when I could move.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Okay, So then you came with a publishing deal or
it had it. I actually already had the cat grab it, Okay,
So you h while you were coming to town, and
then so you had another.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
So now you're on your second publishing deal, already super.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Young, living in Nashville. You got it going on.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You're going viral, and now you realize I don't need
I don't need nobody, I don't need nobody. I can
I'm gonna do this by myself. And then when the
light bulb clicks and you realize you have that freedom,
like what.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Do you do next? How do you keep it going?
You know?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
That's interesting. After after a long Way, I felt a
lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
So that's the one that went like one hundred thousand overnight, yeah,
and a million views like overnight.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yes, long Way was crazy to wake up to being viral.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
It was crazy, like the notifications were going crazy. It
was so much fun, and it was so it was
just so exciting. I had actually back then had a
few different labels calling me and a few different publishing
companies calling me, and I had a lot of exciting
things going on. But I just felt this pressure to
like keep that going. And as we all know, not
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every single song and every single video are gonna go
completely viral the minute you post them.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I mean, it just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
So it's like instead of chasing a number one, necessarily
you're chasing another viral moment.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yes, Like okay, I.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Think everybody started feeling like, well, if it's not viral,
if that song's not viral, then it's not good enough,
or that if that song is not viral, it can't
be the next.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
So it's the same thing, just in a different way
if it's not viral, like if it's not yes, okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
So it got to the point where you know, I
following that up.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Then you're trying to chase what's viral instead of doing
what you did at first.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
This is the.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Same story, just a different platform, like that old generation before.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Preaching TikTok yea.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It's the same thing that happened on radio.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Now you're just trying to like chase the viralness instead
of the authenticness.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Is why you went viral. So you get.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Lost in the game a little bit, even though you're
the boss.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It's it's interesting, really hard to go.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Okay, celebrate that moment and then move forward without beating
yourself up for the next song or the next song
that didn't do exactly what that one did, you know.
And I think I also think a lot of I
think a lot of labels are chasing that too. I
think it's really like, oh, what's popping off in this
exact moment, we better like jump on that, but just
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then also wait for that person to go viral again.
And so I think I just got to the point where,
like you said, the authenticity, I just thought, Okay, if
I really love something, I'm gonna post it. If I
feel like it's really genuine to me, and if I'm
having fun sharing it, I'm gonna share it. And I'm
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not gonna I'm not gonna let myself have the pressure
of everything being viral all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
So I really just I had to let go of that.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
And then how did you let go of everything?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
How did you let it go?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
You know?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I just I was so tired of feeling like I
was trying to live up to yourself.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, yeah, I was like, and.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
I wanted to just celebrate the fact that long Way
was what it was in that moment and it was amazing,
and I didn't want to feel like I didn't want
to let all the other moments be dampered because it
wasn't the same as that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So wisdom, right, A lot of life happens to you know.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Again, I just was back to writing songs, working two
jobs on the side of writing songs and racing around
and do I mean, I just got back into working
the way that I was before and trusting that the
next thing would come when it came, and a full surrender.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Man got to love it.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And when I I think around the time that I
fully surrendered is when I got pregnant.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
And then here comes a whole new life.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yes, because I mean life, A life sure ain't the
same whence you have a baby. And especially for you,
at how old were you when you found out?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I was twenty four?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That is so young.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh my gosh, I was such a disaster at twenty four.
You are so put together, like you are so like
your brain is on so much straighter than mine.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
It took me so long.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
To get my head off a swivel, but you just
have been ground.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
My head was on a swivel that day, for sure.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I uh yeah, our girl was a surprise, and then
you were great surprise ever right on time. Yes, so
so again your husband was a surprise too, Yeah, because
you were also super young when you met this adorable precious.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I mean, y'all are like the most good looking, adorable
couple I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
He's so cute and y'all are so He like enjoys
TikTok and being fun with you. I feel like a
lot of guys are resistant to that, but he's like
singing your songs in the car. He's like giving it all.
I got, Yeah, he's got all the time. And when
y'all did your pregnancy announcement and he cried, I'm.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Like, oh my god, okay, yeah he was well again.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
We were so surprised, like you met him when you
were eighteen, yes, twenty five yep.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
And then we got married. I think I was twenty
three when we got married. And then it was right
like literally right at our one year anniversary, we found
out about Isla and we both, I mean we were
very shocked. So I found out by myself. He was
on the golf course just stilling, pregnant. Your boob's hurting. No,
I was really late, and I was like I was
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so late that I was like, I need to take
a test, but I'm not pregnant like forty, like a
couple of weeks late, like a full week, and I'm
you're always on the time.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, okay. I was like, this is.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Weird, and I went I remember buying the pregnancy test.
I was like, you know they're expensive. Yeah, oh yeah,
I bought the pregnancy test and I was at the
Walgreens checkout, thinking this is ridiculous. I'm not missing it.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Thirty dollars this test.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm spending thirty dollars just to like
make myself feel better, but I'm not pregnant.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well sure enough, did you die? Yes?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So he's on the golf course, Like, you're not not
trying to get pregnant?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Are you acting?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
We were?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, we were trying not not to get pregnant. Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, And I took the test. It was like one
o'clock on Friday afternoon. He's on the golf course. I
think I didn't even think anything of it because I
know in my mind, I know it's negative, like I'm
just doing this for a peace of mind. Yeah, and
it was very positive, like it says wait three minutes
to read.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I was like, right, brightla, she's coming it hot. Yeah ready.
So it was.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
It was the most surreal moment of my life. It
was the best day ever. But I was I was
in shock.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Did you have am and listen, I am a mom
and I love my daughter more than anything, But did
you have a moment of like the most exc slash
deep grieving of like, oh my god, everything changed in
one moment, you.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Know what's wild? So I thought again, we were not
trying to get pregnant, especially because you're so young. Yes,
well so, and I thought that I would have that feeling.
I can't tell you how excited I was, Like I truly,
I truly, just like everything instantly was just needing her
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to be okay and want like wanting her and everything
just like in a split second. And I think that's
because I've always wanted this, like mom, Yes, like I've
never this journey for me was never like, oh, well
I want this career and then if it works out
to be a mom, I'll be a mom. It was
it was I'm going to be a mom, I'm going
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to have a family, and I have no idea how
I can do both. And I was, well, I was
nervous about how those things would go together, and I
think I felt for a long time like they couldn't
go together.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I totally get that feeling.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
So that was something for me that really that's the
only reason we were trying not to be pregnant, was
because I felt like I couldn't do them both. Yeah,
I felt like I couldn't be an artist. I felt
like I couldn't be a songwriter and a singer. And
have all the things that I wanted if I.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Did that just because it's so demanding, or because you
think people wouldn't want to sign a mom the perception
because you're a mom. I know I'd get that feeling
I was doing coming up as an artist and all
these things before TikTok and all that, and I never
felt like I could have a family or even get married.
You know, don't get married, get to mess your career.
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Don't talk too much about your husband because you.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Have to look available.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, like too, and you just have to devote your
whole life to this career. And that's the only thing
you get to do is have this all demanding career,
which is awesome but like consumes your entire existence.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yes, and get this. So what really struck me was
so so I see the two pink lines and I'm
processing all of this like to me, out of the blue,
like I'm having to that's.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
What your song is about. Out of the blue, Yes, A
long way.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
No, out of the blue, stooping class.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
There's so many great songs and lyrics.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
So I throughout my pregnancy is when I really was like, Okay,
how is this going to go for me?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
How am I going to balance this?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
And I really I started realizing, like everything that we
just talked about, that feeling that we both had as
women in the industry. I'm like, if I'm a male
artist and I find out I'm a dad, it just
like it boosts me, Like everybody thinks, great, it will
like him even more because he's terrible.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
He's a dad. Look at him with his kid.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yes, And I felt like, why can't as as female
artists and as women singing songs that are supposed to
relate to people, Why can't we Like I need as
a fan and a listener to hear my story in
these songs on the radio and on these playlists, and
I'm I, as a fan, was missing hearing stories about
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this phase of life. We're all doing it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
We all are.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
We're all we're all wanting to be married.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Or we're all in it. We're all in this tornado
of this.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yes, the dating, the marriage, the kids, the not kids,
the imfertility, the struggle of raising all of them. We're
right here in the big all of us. In some
form of fashion, we're all navigating exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
And again, it's all about singing about your authentic experience.
And I really did. I had a choice to hide
my pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I got chills, like that sucks. That sucks so bad.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I felt I felt like I had a choice to
you know, not announce for a long time, not tell anybody,
not celebrate my motherhood, and who are.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
We hiding it from? Like iea that you can't be this.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Exactly Yeah, and truly it's the best thing that I've
ever done. And I thought, I just want to shout
this from the rooftops, like I just I want to
if anyone is afraid to like have all of the
things that they want just because they're worried about what
people think of them, which is exactly where I was at,
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which we all feel that way, like we need to
like nip that in the butt good.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So you're like, I'm gonna nip it.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, yeah, So, And I just felt like there was
I mean, like you said, there's just so many there
were so many songs and so many lyrics that were
just like started naturally.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Coming out of me.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
That was like I need to write about this, and
I need to say this, and we need to talk
about this, and it just really everything just came into focus.
My purpose was I just had a fuller purpose. I
knew also when you have kids, Like, the biggest thing
I've learned is like, I have so much less room
for bullshit.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
You got no extra bandwidth, Like, no, it's I got
no room for nothing. Yeah, yeah, I have whatever second
face better be adding to your life exactly.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I care a lot less about stupid thing anything.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, I care a lot less about anything. I'm like literally,
like nothing even fazes me.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
If I would have come in here and had like
throw up on my shirt, I really probably would not
have even cared.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I probably I used to be in America right now.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
No, you look great, thanks, Yeah, but I just yeah,
so I really got I really got focused, and I
really got clear.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And you know, God makes no mistakes. And you, like
you said, right on time because it was sooner than
you wanted, just like meeting your husband was sooner than
you wanted, but it here, but you knew it was
the right thing, and so you're like, well, dang it, Okay,
I guess I'm gonna do this. It's a little sooner
than I was ready, but I must be ready because
here it is. Yeah, and it's perfect timing.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
And like you said, I mean, I've I just I
fully trusted that God had me on this path that
was exactly where I was meant to be in the moment,
and I just this is where I let go of
I need a record deal and.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I needed to feel a certain way.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah, and I need it to happen on this timeline
or else I'm quote unquote not successful. And it's like,
oh my gosh, now I know, like I'm already successful.
My coming home to a husband that I love and
my beautiful, perfect angel daughter is.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Like that's success, right.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
So everything else that we do is just really for
to fulfill your purpose.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
The calling on your heart.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
You feel called since a very young age to sing
and write and put your music out there and put
your voice out there. That's a calling. So like you're
answering that calling, but you're also letting God guide it, yes,
you know. And I feel like that is like the
very hard moment of surrender where it's like, Okay, I'm
just gonna let this God, I'm just gonna let you
lead it and I'm just going to follow and I'm
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just going to try.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And also, I think.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
People need to see happy marriages, Like there is so
much sadness out there. And there are so many broken homes,
and there are so many people who are struggling to
find good, happy people to like look up to to.
You know, we all need some good examples that like
it's cool to be married, it's great to like, it's.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Cool to be a mom, it's cool to be a mom.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
It's not like this dead in like prison sentence where
you're just locked away exactly.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah, And I think I think when you're pregnant, it's like,
oh my gosh, like I'm so excited. But also everyone's
telling me my life is going to end, and it's
like this is just the beginning for me, Like this,
this is me truly. Just I can be all of
these things. I can do them at the same time.
Because also moms are great multitaskers.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm like, oh wait, I can multitask better than I
could before.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
And yes, I think, you know, not to say that
we are perfect. We don't have a perfect marriage. We
are not perfect parenty cute though, Listen, we have so
much by guy that we're working on. But like we
that's the thing. We're happy.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
I can tell we're happy. We're a big ball of
smiles all the time.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
He's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Honestly, I don't know why I'm the one who's like
has the TikTok profile, because he really, he really should
be the one.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
To have the What is he up to? What is
his career and passionate? Oh he's in sales, Okay, so
he so actually our good team.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
He knows how to well, yeah, I help you get
out there in a way that well, like you said,
he told you get on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
He really here's what his My favorite thing about him
is that he is just he's my number one fan,
so he really is just like he's.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
A big fan girl.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
And I love that he knows like really nothing about
the music industry too, because he's always like, well why
not just do this or that or how come? And
I'm like, well, I've never thought of it that way,
but I guess you're right.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And one more fun fact about you. When were you
on a mirror an idol?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Oh my gosh, right before I got pregnant.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
So what happened? This was? Yeah, this was and you
made it kind of far.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
I made it to Hollywood Week. I was well, I
got through the first round of Hollywood Week and I
got cut on the second round in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
What is that like? Being not there?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
It's it's the most stressful thing I've ever done. Really,
I was, Yeah, I was kind of a wreck. I
just was so unlike, it was so unlike anything I'd
ever did.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You have like room with a random person, like, what
do you do? We were we were pretty very nice.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
She was really cool. I was really fangirled over Katie.
But it was line ol Chie too, right, Linc Bryan
and Lake Brian. It was it was really fun. I
we did not have to room with people. That's nice
because we were on the tail end of the COVID stuff,
so we all got our own rooms, which I was
really grateful for.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
But the audition was great because.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Colby got to be there for my audition, so had
I felt like I had some support in Nash Film.
And then I went to La by myself and.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
You stood in the long line and made it through
all the people. No, you had a little fast past.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah, well they they kind of again with COVID, they
weren't doing like the big lines and stuff, so you
kind of you had to go through a ton of
audition phases, but it wasn't in person.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Oh, it was like on zoom that's maybe better. Who knows.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I mean all of it was nerve w Yeah, the
celebrity audition might be the most nervous I've ever been
into micle and say for them, Yes, I don't know
how people do this and look so cool, calm and collected.
I watch people and I'm like, anybody, really, anybody who
can be on that show? Like I got to hand
it to them, because it's it's a hard format too.
(40:45):
Like I got to Hollywood and everybody's like, oh, it's
going to be so hard, and Hollywood Week it's like
boot camp week and everything, and I had I was
not prepared. I I had no idea what to expect.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
But it's a lot like what do you do? What
does the boot camp? Like? It's like it's like.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
No sleep and like you're not eating very much, like
you're just you're forgetting to feed you You're wreaking up
at like five am, and you're it's these really long
days and yeah, one day, like my group got skipped
for lunch and I was like I'm starving, Like yeah,
I might pass out on stage, but yeah, it's these
really grueling hours and again you're out of your comfort zone.
(41:27):
You don't have your support system there, and you're going
on knowing that millions of people are gonna watch this,
and Jennie, yeah, the crowd in front of you is
relatively small, even in Hollywood, but like, I mean, you can't.
The nerves are for the cameras and the fact that
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Katy Perry is sitting in front of you, Lionel Richie like, yeah,
this is insane. Yeah, And I had just never done
anything like that. I don't. I also don't have a
big belting voice.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
You have that beautiful voice you do, though you have
a different big belting isn't the only I feel like
that used to be like you felt you had to
be a big belter, but like there's this velvet tea
thing that you have that is so good.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
And I've learned to again, I've learned to embrace and
appreciate and not try to be something I'm not. But
I felt a little bit of that pressure on the show.
I think I was just like surrounded by so many
incredible singers and I felt like why am I even here?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
And yeah, it was just I mean, it was a
lot of how do you imposter syndrome? When you're on
the American Idol stage, you just say, well, I'm here, Yeah,
just show up.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
I just showed up and did my best. And that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I really, I really.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Was okay when I got cut because I wanted to
go through, but I also knew that it wasn't the
end all.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Be all freaked out if you would have been the
American Idol like to go to the overnight saying like that,
that feels like that's.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
A huge, huge, like like maybe awesome but slash terrifying moment. Yeah,
I think I was.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
I was just as nervous about getting cut as I
was about going through. Yeah, I was like, wait, if
I go through, I have to I have to be
better the next time, or I have to you know
again live up or something. So I really put that
in God's hands and was like, you know, every round,
if I'm if I'm supposed to be on this journey
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till the end, final round, then I will be. But
if I'm not, that's okay too.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
So when you put something in God's hands, because I
feel like I do this too, like and I recently
there's always next levels, next levels, but I feel like
I have really gotten to a full surrender place with God.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
What is that like when you.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Are saying God, okay here, I am an American idol
freaked out of my mind, but like, I'm just putting
it in your hands? Like, how do you actually release
it and put it in his hands?
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Ah, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
How do you, like, say, I'm letting go of my
ego and just trusting in something bigger.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I think what I do this might sound like too simple.
I really just take account of everything that I already have.
So I really just count my blessings. I know that
sounds so trivial, but I really do just I find
such a comfort and going, oh my gosh, look at
(44:29):
all the amazing things that are right here that are
already mine. That if nothing else, like if this was it,
I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
So I started waking up every morning because Oprah said
she did this, So I figured it must work and
it over does it?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
We need to do it. I mean it overdoes it.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Then there's a pretty good chance she's tried it a
lot and it works.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
But she's like every morning. First thing I do when
I hit the ground is I say thank you, thank you,
thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
And so I walk Ruby at like six in the
morning and the sun's always just starting to rise and
it's like a pink sunset, and I'm like, thank you
that I see this pink sunset, thank you for these
birds chirping, thank you that I have this adorable flip
up dog that I love that is so cute. And
it's getting me outside at six in the morning so
I can feel the fresh air and it's you know,
just like making yourself be thankful, and it really does.
(45:21):
It always makes me have full body chills, like I'm like,
oh God, I need to remember all the great things
instead of starting off in the grind immediately thinking about
all the things that I don't have or that I
need or that I'm chasing or then aren't working out exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
That's a totally different mindset. Really has changed my life, honestly.
I just love that just.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
To I think if you've come at things with like
out of abundance and like just so grateful for life,
I think things just start coming to you because you're
not so desperate for things to happen. But I need
to start the morning. I do need to start the
morning routine because I how do people wake up before
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their kids? Like, if I was sleeping, I am asleep
until she wakes up. Like I wish that I could
get things done before this child is awake.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
But she had a bed, and what times she wake up?
Speaker 4 (46:13):
She's seven to seven? Well that's great, pretty pretty consistently.
But they sometimes she'll sleep until like eight wonderful, which
is amazing. But like, if she's sleeping until eight, I'm
sleeping till totally.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Well I used to do that until we got a
dog and then she had to wake up a six
or else she'd be on the floor so and I
sept in her poop one time. That really does not
make you thankful. That is not a thankful way to
start today.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
No, okay, I want to.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Talk to you all day.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
First off, you look like Jewel and Jessica Simpson. I've
been trying to figure it out this whole time. I'm like,
who are you reminding me of? And it's a combo
of Jessica Simpson and Jewel.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Do you get that all that?
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Ever, I don't think I've ever gotten either of those.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
I really love it.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Your side profile is more Jewel, yes, okay, it's a
little more Jessica.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
Okay, yes, I need to go like do it. Look
up a mashup of their faces.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Later and see yes, and then you could do a
mashup of their songs because y'all are all similar and beautiful.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Okay, I'm gonna wrap up because I don't want to
steal all of your day. And I'm so thankful that
you came and got a babysitter and you're ting.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
See you're multitasking. Look at you, mom.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Get us multitasking, I know. And I literally like, as
soon as I'm out of here, I'm darting to the
school with the dog so I can pick up a daughter.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
It's just I'm rushing home to mind too, so we'll
be doing the same thing.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
But it was kind of cool because we're back in
the iHeart studio and Bobby Bones kind of found you
on TikTok right, yes, and he like did a big champion.
I love that when he champions people, like when he
finds someone, he's you know they're good when he's like
found them, and he like was like, okay, Sarah Beth,
it was I'm on the show playing your song.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
It's one, It's it's one of the coolest things that's
ever happened really to me career wise, because I again
Colby and I both, I mean, we we're big Bobby
Bones fans, like we. I used to listen to the
show every morning on my way to my office admin
the wealth desk job, yep. And every morning I was
on the way at six am, I'm just like wishing
(48:01):
that I wasn't driving to.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
This job and that you were on the show.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
Yes, I've listened to people go on the show and
just like dream about the day that I would be
on the show, and then.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
A big manifestor I actually do. And you get it
sooner than you're ready for, right on time.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Right on time. Yeah, you're like, this is gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I'm gonna have this awesome husband, I'm having a great baby,
I'm gonna have a great career. I'm going a great
baby on the show. And it just all kind of
like you feel it so deeply. It just gets here
a little faster than you're ready. Listen, Thanks, you are
ready for Bobby Buds.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
I was not prepared. So he shared my TikTok video
of long Way, and I did not see it fast
enough everybody started messaging me like have you I mean,
Bobby has the greatest fans and all of his people
started messaging me like have you seen this yet? Have
you seen this yet? He just shared your video and
(48:51):
we were freaking out. It was so much fun and you.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Just had your baby too, right. Well, this was the
first time I went on the show, was with long Wi.
So this is back. You've been a multiple repeater. I
think I have ye like two times. So did you
go big Wig?
Speaker 4 (49:09):
So I was just absolutely I was like starstruck. And
then the day that I got to come in, I
was so nervous. I was like again, like so many
people listening. It was just it was so much fun though,
like this, I love everybody on the show, and it
felt so like relaxed, and it was it was just
a dream come true. It was really like a full circle.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
And then you heard your song on the radio. It's like, yeah,
all your dreams are coming isn't that the truth?
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Though?
Speaker 3 (49:34):
It's like, your dreams do come true, they just don't
always quite come true how you think they will exactly,
you know, but.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
They will kind of true.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
It's just you can't expect them to be a certain
way at this point, I'm just like God just keeps
kind of unfolding things and I'm just along for the ride.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
And I'm like, I don't know what the next thing is,
but I know that I'm just showing up.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
And both that.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Just show up, pour your heart into it, have action
steps like go where you feel called to go, do
what you feel called to do, and just kind of
let God work is magic.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know that's what I do.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
I just kind of think that's away, show up, do
the work, give everything you got, and then just trust
that God's guiding you exactly.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
That's what we're gonna do. Then we die, you know.
So it's like we might as well try to just
find some joy, Like we never know when that's gonna
happen either.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
It's like we might as well just that's you know,
we might as well.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Game of life is really something well, and.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
We might as well share happy moments and they're happy.
That's the thing is. I'm like, I'm not gonna let
you know, I'm not gonna worry about how I'm perceived.
I'm just gonna share and celebrate all the wonderful things
that are in my.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Life and crazy others to celebrate.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Yeah, I think if we can just see some good, happy,
wholesome moments, I think it just makes us all feel a.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Little bit better.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
And that's not to say it's perfect, but I think
it makes us all feel like, oh hey, like maybe
we had a hard day, but it's also overall pretty great.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, find thanks to be grateful for.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Okay. Always wrap up with leave your Light and it's basically,
what do you want people to know?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Oh my gosh, uh I want people to know?
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Wait is it about me or just about anything?
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Anything, you, your heart, whatever, just whatever you feel like,
whatever comes into your brain. Really Yeah, I guess I
just want people to know that life is good and
to look for the good.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Okay, and you have a song about that, Yes, pretty old,
pretty good living uh huh.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
It is coming out on March first, so oh my god.
If you're listening to this before or after, you maybe
can already find it or pre save it, or.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
You haven't put a single out in a minute.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
It has been well, it's been as old as my daughter.
My last single was before she was born. So it's
been about a year and a half since I released
this song.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
And that was right on time that you're released.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Exactly, and it's been it's been just the most transformative
year in my career. Just yeah, so this was the.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Best year of your life. Yeah, because you had a daughter.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Because I had a daughter, and yeah, she really, I mean,
she really makes everything better. But it also, like I said,
in my career, I just I was enjoying everything more.
Everything has just had so much more clarity to it.
The song I just I love the songs I'm writing more.
I love all the people that I work with more.
(52:30):
I just love everything is just really just kind of
come into focus. And so I recorded a full project
last year and we actually had it completely done, ready
to go, and then I wrote Pretty Good Living and
people really connected with that song.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
And so do you test all your songs that on
TikTok before you decide? That's the thing is.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
I got this project done thinking, Okay, this is it regardless,
like this is it for the songs that I am
proud of and this is the new me. And I
actually only shared Pretty Good Living because I didn't want
to share the other songs yet, and we were having
fun singing it in the car, and I thought, well,
this will be like a fun thing to post because
(53:15):
I love this song and I had no idea that
everybody was gonna love it so much. And so my
producer called me and he's like, we you realize that
we have to add this, like you realize that this
needs to happen, and I was like, I know, I know.
So we like raced into the studio after the New
year and just got this when done as quick as
we could. And now it's obviously the first single.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
So isn't that fun how that happens?
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah, another just letting go of what I thought was
going to happen and just go in with the flow.
And I'm just so excited about this because again it's
just really celebrating, you know, all of the problems that
we have and also how just sweet this stage of
life is.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
I love that, and yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
We are just we love singing it and it's just like, yeah,
it's our family like soundtrack right now.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Really, Ela, she's a jammer too. Oh she loves it.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
She I love that you serenade her with your guitar
and sing your songs. I'm like, she doesn't even know
how cool her mom is.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
Okay, she's getting to where like she now is like
less interested in listening to me, Like she's like already
she's like, Mom, She's like, can I have the guitar
and maybe break it?
Speaker 2 (54:27):
That's what I want to do.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
She's she's very active now, so it's getting harder and
harder to get her to sit still.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
But yeah, she loves the.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
Song and we just we've been singing it to her
for months now, and so anyways, my family's probably sick
of it now, and everybody else needs to just go
stream it so they get to stop listening to it
on repeat.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
I love it, Okay, so everyone check out that project.
March First, what's it called?
Speaker 4 (54:52):
March First is pretty good living and then we've got
a lot more to come after that. So hey, Sarah Beth.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Tait, you're adorable. Thank you so much for coming hang on.
This is so fun. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
I loved it.
At Carne. She's a queen and talking and song. She's
getting really not afraid to fake, so so just let
it flow.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
No one can do we quiet car line is sound
for Caroline.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Okay, I'm so excited to be here on Get Real Podcast,
Sarah Beth Tait, Hey.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm so excited to be here. I'm so glad you're here.
I brought Ruby for you. Yeah, Ruby, my dog.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Ruby's just chilling.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And you also have a cavapoo I do.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I did not know that we were bringing cavia poos today,
or I would have brought your I would have brought
her Franny Franny.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
That you know, that's like one of my favorite names, Franny.
You have to be adorable when your name is Franny.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
We actually a few times we'll like say, oh, this
is Franny and somebody's like, my sister's name is Franny
or my daughter's name is Frannie, and we're like, well,
she's basically a person, so that fits totally this. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Okay, So, Sarahbeth, I am really excited about your story because,
first off, you moved to Nashville when you were sixteen
seventeen seventeen. Did your mom come with you did you
look by yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
She dropped me off.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You looked by yourself at seventeen? Yes, Like, gosh, were
you so scared? I did?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I I was crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I was crazy. So you just had to get here
as fast as you could.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yes, you're just going hard to Nashville as soon as
it made sense.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I graduated a semester early from high school and I
drove from Colorado in my Chevy Silverado.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
By the way, follow you on TikTok, Sarah Beth Tade
on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
She is You're so adorable. I saw the truck video
where you sold your truck. That your first truck that your.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Dad bought you. You really dug deep. I love that.
I like to know somebody, Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I was sobbing when I sold that truck, like I
could not get a hold of myself. The people who
bought it from me were like, are you okay? Like
we don't have to buy it.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's like, no, I need to sell it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But you're like, my first kiss was in here, my
first dates, my first heartbreak. And then you're like, these
people don't even know all the memories are getting when
they buy this truck.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Exactly, You're really good.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
At TikTok because you like evoke my emotions. Thank you
so crying on camera.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
We'll apparently do that. Yeah, I drove that truck when
I was seventeen. The what two days it took us
to get from Colorado to Nashville. And I did have
a roommate, so I moved in with a roommate, but
I did not go to college. My sweet parents dropped
me off and let me where did you live? I
(02:46):
lived off of West End, so.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You had a play set up and everything.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, and you just made on like Facebook, Oh my
gosh where we met.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Maybe I'm just so nervous. I feel so nervous.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, I know, Oh my gosh, I like I can't
even imagine letting my daughter.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, because you got one, you got a daughter house cannot.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I'm like, wow, Okay, I have a lot of I
have a lot of letting go to do before before
we're there.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
That's a good song. Look at you writing songs all
the time. Okay, I'm Rube's hopping down, Mattie.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
She's your doctor. Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Ruby came on the podcast before with doctor Josie, which
is secret and it's not out. So we won't talk
about that, but she did great on the podcast, and
now she's grown up a couple of months since she's
born to be wild, So by rubs, yeah, I mean
just to like get dropped off that young in a
big city to chase your big dream.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
I remember. It's so funny because for the most part,
I'm like, yeah, I was so brave and like knew
what I wanted and I was so I had like
beginners like confidence, like irrational confidence, you know. But I
do remember that first night going to bed and being like,
what have I done?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It was like, wait, what I done?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I need to go back to Colorado right now, which,
you know, I got through it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The first year was like a little rough. What was
it like?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
That transition year because I remember these feelings so vividly,
and they're hard to describe when you're literally like busting
out of one mold that you've known your whole life
and stepping into a whole new mold and everything's new
and you're like having to like find your way and
like your feelings are all disrupted.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
That's I mean, that's a great way of describing it.
I And two it was so hard.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I think college.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Gives you like a built in group of it gives
you a built in community of people who are all
in the same phase of life as you. And I
had a publishing deal at the time, I was working jobs.
I didn't want to spend money on a degree that
I wasn't going to use. So I'm still proud of
that choice. But I did miss out on the friend group,
(04:57):
and so I think I felt a little bit like,
where are my people? How am I going to meet
my people? And so I kind of did a lot
of like floating in that and that was.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Hard because hard were you a floater before? I was
a little bit?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
They were, yeah, like back in your day, how'd you float?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Like in high school? You're floating.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I was in a tight group in middle school, and
then in high school, I just kind of started doing
my own thing with music. And I came to Nashville
for the first time, and I really I was just
a little, like slightly bit removed because I was so
focused on what I wanted to do. I was like,
so you're just like listen. My mind was out of
high school. I was like, I just want to get
(05:36):
this over with. Yeah, you're not worried about the PEP rally.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
You're like, how did I get to Nashville and write
my first single?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Exactly exactly. I got to get there yesterday, yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
So I just I think, yeah, it was like that
for me for a while as a teenager. So yeah,
I think I just when I got here, I think
I started feeling that, like, wait, I really need a community,
and I need I had a solid group of people
that I worked with that were a lot older than me,
that were mentors to me. And really I think that's
(06:06):
part of why my parents were comfortable dropping me off,
was my publishers at the time. And I mean everybody
that I worked with was really a strong, like role
model for me. And I worked with a lot of
women who took.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Care of me here.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That's great, that was huge, But it wasn't people my age,
you know, going through.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Exactly what I was going through.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So that was a journey.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
But I actually met my husband when I I mean
I was I'd only been here for about a year,
maybe a little over a year when I met him
at church, So that was a.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Blessing, okay, And it was a big church.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And I love the story about this So had you
had a heartbreak before, because you wrote like a heartbreak
song that went viral.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Oh yeah, I mean plenty of heartbreaks before.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But you were that old to.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Have a big heartbreak old But you know.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So how old were you? You were seventeen when you
met your husband, so you'd already know.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I was eighteen, eighteen eighteen when I met him. I
was like going on a night teen by the time
I met him.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Okay, so but you'd already had a full heartbreak before.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, Oh, I had one of the I had one
of those kind of long time boyfriends throughout high school.
So I had kind of the one on and off
forever quote unquote serious like for years. Yeah, not serious,
but it felt at the time, right, the most serious
thing you've ever experienced. Yes, And that kind of carried
over a little bit into me living in Nashville. He
(07:27):
was in Colorado, and I kind of had that going
like on and off toxic.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Thing for a little bit and.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Anyways got over that. So that's where some of those
songs come from it.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And that first song that went viral was called long Way,
Long Way, And talk to me about that one because
and then I want to talk about your husband, because
I feel like this next song that went viral was you.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Just released it last year. Yep, right on time, right
on time.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
That's about your husband and like getting married before you
thought you were already having a baby, before you were
thought you were already which I love all that, thank
you so much. But so yeah, let's talk about the
first song that went viral though, and how that happened
and what I'd like to go viral on TikTok Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It was it was.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Like surreal because this was twenty twenty. It was before
we all really even knew what TikTok was.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Okay, so you were in the beginning, Yes, we're in
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I think it was coke.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I think Covid had just I think we were like,
you know, and my husband and I were in this
tiny little condo together like obviously not married at the time,
but we were just bored with nothing else to do.
And he is always ahead of the game behind this. Yes,
oh he knows like just pop culture. He's just in
(08:44):
the no like he's adorable.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
He so he's like he's the happiest person to live,
he really is.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I feel like I was like.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
So he goes, babe, you got to get on TikTok
and I was like, I don't know what TikTok is,
and all I know that it's people dancing and I
don't dance. And he's like, no, people, there's all these
songs on TikTok and yours are better, so I think
that you should just get a TikTok and I was like,
I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So he literally coaches me.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
He's like helping me set up the account, and I
was posting I mean, cover songs and a bunch of
different stuff up until you know twenty twenty, I think
is spring or summer of twenty twenty. And he's like,
we gotta just start because we listened to all these demos.
You know this we all. I mean, there's so many
songs where you listen in your car to your own
(09:29):
demo on repeat and nobody.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Ever hears it right, and then they just die a sad,
lovely death. And there were such a great songs.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Exactly in your mind. You're like, that was a stadium.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And ra exactly and no one ever hears it exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
And it was really at the beginning of people sharing
those demos. It was really like, oh, you know, I
think I'd seen I'd seen Priscilla Block post a song
that was going crazy. I'd seen a few of these
people start getting traction from posting their demos that didn't
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have to be all like shined up and perfect and
pretty and like.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Ready to go exactly. And so I was like, I
can do that.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
And I have all these songs that I love and
long Way I had written long Way I think maybe
two years before, and I thought, well, this is one
I love, and I just I posted a clip of
it and it just started, it started going crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And the first one you posted it went crazy. The
first one I posted that abnormal.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I mean, I don't even remember the numbers on it either,
so like it was crazy to me. Who knows if
it was, but I mean it was like one hundred
thousand likes and go.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Like one hundred thousand followers overnight, right.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yes, like overnight?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Is that what happens? I don't just like find it
and they're like, oh my god, I'm crazy about this.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
So this was a phase, I will say, I feel
like that beginning stage of TikTok where we all were
finding it and everybody was at home and you know,
didn't have anything to do. It was like people were
so excited to be finding music, and people were so
excited to be finding artists on there for the first time.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And so I think there was a moment, like a
golden moment.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yes, I do think it's different now because we're so
saturated in that market. But it was really exciting because
people were just so genuinely excited to hear something that
they loved, and I was excited that they had found it,
and so it just really kind of kept going. And
then I had to figure out how to get the
song out.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh so then there was what do you do?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I mean, it's this demo that I've had for two
years and I had to re record it, and so
I think it was I think it ended up being
about three months between the time that it kind of
started popping off to when we released it. And I
was so worried because I thought this was, you know,
one viral video and by the time I get the
song out three months from now, it's not gonna it's
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not gonna matter, nobody's gonna care, it's not gonna hit anymore.
And every single video I posted just kept connecting, like
over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Why do you think it was connecting because you were
so honest and real and just sharing your heart. I
think there's something you're so beautiful, Like I just like
to look at your face, like when you talk, I'm
just like watching your lips.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'm like, what lick cluster are you wearing? It looks
so good.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
It's like it's like rubbing off and thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
You are a really pretty face to look at.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And then you have so much else to say and
seeing I'm like, I am, I'm engaged.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I love it. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
So you genuinely like the communication with Chicknos is so
like it was so I had been in this world
of trying to make it in the music industry where.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
You know, we're singing in a meeting for a fifty
year old man in a suit who's like giving us nothing.
You know, it's like there's no even if somebody loves
it one day and wants to give you this deal
or that deal or whatever. It's like there's not the
same excitement as when people just find something that they
like listening to. Really, it's all that matters.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I mean, we're all just trying to get to people listening,
people who can connecting exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yea, so it was finally a way to go, Oh,
we just skipped like all the gay all of the
unnecessary steps to just actually do what matters.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And I didn't connecting it And I don't have.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
To do this song and dance exactly, and they can
if it makes sense sometimes, but you don't have to
like go chase that down exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
And I think, you know, there's something about that song
that is empowering. I think a lot of people who
I had I wrote that song coming off of a breakup,
and I think for whatever reason, anybody who was in
that moment felt the same thing. And it just really
it just really resonated. And I was so grateful that
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that TikTok.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Was a thing.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I mean, I know, we all it's a love hate relationship. Everybody,
do you have a love hate relationship? I feel like
you're pretty good at loving it. I'm pretty good at
loving it because I think that's why it's working so
well too, because I have a true love hate slash
more hate than love reallylationship.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But I'm like trying to.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Make myself love it. Like today actually I was watching
you all night and I was like, and Morgan my President.
I was watching both Beyond. I'm like, damn it. They
just post their life and it's so interesting and they
just talk about stuff and they share things. I'm like,
get up and post about your morning, Caroline, just do it.
Just post it, show your hamster, make some coffee, pack
of lunch.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Document it. But my god, this is so hard.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
We need to see the hamster.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Lemonade.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Do liminade. She's on my Instagram story. I'm trying, but
like to me, it's hard. But like for you, I'm like,
you're so joyful and it is adorable about it.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
It is hard to keep up with it.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I will say, it's like a full time real estate
in your brain, Like you have all these things you
have to manage. Plus there's a spot that's like social
media got to.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
General and also post about it and.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Posts like starting the second you wake up, all the
way through your whole day.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's just so much. Okay, I digress.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
It is some well I think that is my That
is my twinge of hate for it is like, oh
my gosh, we feel like we have to and I
think feeling like we have to present a certain way. Yes,
it's it's overwhelming at times, but I think I think
I just don't. I think I just don't post on
those days.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I think I've can you take a day off? Or
did they get mad at you? No, I've given myself.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Oh no, I'm not to the point where people are
mad at me for not posting, like because I have.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Some friends who are like hardcore influencers and they have
to like explain when they're leaving and they have to
let people know when they're taking a break because like
you have an agenda.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, and I see I'm not at that level, Okay,
And maybe I don't want to be, like I just
I've given myself the grace to be like, hmm, you
know today, we just get today. Is ay, get through
the day and you know, put in some dry shampoo,
eave snack and you know, just get through your life
today and don't worry about posting about it.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, you're really great at it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And honestly, like when I was watching you obsessively, I
was like, dang it, I like this, Like it's so
fun to watch you. Like I'm appreciative that you're doing
all this hard work and posting because you're adorable, and
your husband's adorable and your daughter's adorable. And I love
that you moved to Nashville when you're seventeen and you've
never had a record deal and any major deal, and
(16:13):
yet now here you are making it and having your
music being heard. You got to quit your job, And
I'm like, I like your story and I'm so glad
you're posting it.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
But it's a lot of work.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
But anyway, okay, but it resonates so people are like,
oh my gosh, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I see you.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
The song speaks to me. Your singing voice is so
pretty too.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Thank you, Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I think I just got to the point where it's
funny that you mentioned me quitting my job too, because
I moved to town. I had a publishing deal at
the time, but I only had that for the first
couple years that I lived here, and then that deal
timed out and I've had management for a while. But
(16:55):
like you said, no, no record deal, no major publishing deals. No,
I've I an independent artist this whole time.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Was that ever frustrating? Pre TikTok?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Absolutely no, it's it's frustrating. I would say, honestly, up
in the last year or so of my life, I
have fully embraced and just enjoyed the fact that I
don't I just don't need that the way that I
used to need that. I used to just always mark
success off of when can I get a record deal
(17:27):
and when can I get the next publishing deal. And
then I just realized that I don't need that's that's
not success to me anymore. And I worked a lot
of jobs going you know, going through I mean, leading
up to really having my daughter, I was working. I
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was working babysitting jobs. I had an admin job at
a wealth management firm that I worked for like six years.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Is that hard?
Speaker 4 (17:56):
No. I loved the people that I worked with, But
I started that job a lot about investing.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
You get all this money, you're gonna know what to
do it? Yes, I did. It's all flowing in now. Yes,
I start. It's you got to quit your job. You're
making streaming money. That's legit. It is. It's very cool.
I mean, that's cool.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
It's very cool. And I had done that for so
long that it was so I mean, it's just all
these things that you.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Work so hard, and you're writing songs in the midst
of all these jobs.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yes, how did you get your first publishing deal? Where
did that come from? Was that pre moving to Nashville
to get it? When you got here?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
No, I got my first publishing deal when I spose that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Helped move you up here? Oh when you're fourteen?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, Kat Gravit No, Kat Gravit was my second publishing deal.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Who else was with her?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Kai Fleming? I love Kai, I love them both.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Hig is my favorite. She loves Abraham Hicks.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
And yes, I have gone to an Abraham Hicks convention
and it is amazing. And I've tried to Kai all
about Abraham Hicks and hold on, we got an intersection. Yes, Morgan,
that is a great question. We would like to know
more in the back, says Morgan. And the president over there,
our president. Yes, the Peanut Gallery actually the Ruby Galary.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
How's Ruby? Great reviews? And grade everyone?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Okay, how does a fourteen year old, this is a
great question get a publishing though.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I would love to know. How did they even know?
How did they find you? How did you find them?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I again with the confidence, I mean, I I was delusional.
I came to Nashville for the first time ever on
a flight with my dad and I was fourteen. It
was for my fourteenth birthday, okay, and I had looked
up NSAI.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You have big birthdays because like your twenty third birthday
and number one on all iTunes across the.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Board, birthdays must be a birthdays for.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You and music.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, so, uh, I went to an NSAI comprasce.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
It was called a song.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Posy, which is a National Songwriter Association Incorporated.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, I made that last part up. And they're incredible.
You guess it was good.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
So they're incredible and they do a lot to educate really,
I mean it was. It was a bunch of class
is taught by publishers, taught by label executives, and you
were on Music Grow going into learn about the music business.
And I thought, well, that's a really good place to
start because I really don't know anything, and.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Here's a bunch of songwriters and publishers exactly all the things.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
But I knew that I wanted to publish it. I
mean I knew I wanted a publishing deal because I
wanted to be a writer. You knew that that existed, yes,
And my parents were like what's a publishing deal? And
I'm like, well, I'm gonna go if you'll let me.
I'm going to do this, this, and this for my birthday.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And they were like, okay, looking at each other. She
seems to know what she wants to do. My parents
aren't musical at all. Did you research this online? You
just figured it out?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I was all over it, like I knew, I knew,
I thought I knew everything, and I knew like this tiny,
tiny enough that you.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Had enough confidence to do like you said, Honestly, having
that blind confidence and knowing just enough when you're that
age is probably all that you needed.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I think it's the only reason it worked. So I
was on the flight. I remember being like, I'm going
to get a publishing deal. You knew it, and it's
gonna have that insane that's insane to think. And I
was in literally the class was called get this how
to get a publishing deal? One oh one. You're just
a big old manifestor And I was sitting in there
with my little notebook and we took the notes whatever.
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It was taught by a guy named Woody Boehmer who's
a big publisher and down for a long time. And anyways,
he ended up wanting to meet with me after the
the courses were over that week, and so I went
into his office and played a few I'm sure terrible songs, but.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Could you sing like you can now? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
I'm sure it probably wasn't great.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I'm listed, Yeah, I mean your beautiful with the voice
of an angel. I think you have forgot a lot
going in your favor.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I'm just glad TikTok wasn't around when I was fourteen,
because I would not want that content following me around.
But anyways, they ended up it was Greenhills Music Group,
and they were like, we want you to, you know,
come back and be able to start co writing and
keep making trips. And so I signed my first publishing deal.
You went back and forth then, and I went back
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and forth.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
But I mean this is also why you're super detached
fro high school, because you're like, already got.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
A publish them. Gay, I am already like halfway in Nashville.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
It was I think it was a good balance. I
think my credit to my family for keeping a good
balance with that. My brother and I are really close.
He was We're just a year apart, and he was
the grade above me in high school and like he
obviously was living his normal high school life. I went
to prom and I went to football games, and my
parents were like, we're.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Not like picking up and moving this family for we
don't even know you did to Nashville for your birthday.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
You said you're gonna get a publishing deal, but geez,
we didn't know you were going to do that.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yes, they're like, what changed your whole life? Yeah, They're like,
what is a publishing deal? And what is happening?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
So we really we took trips when we could, and
my mom and I have a lot of amazing memories
from doing that together. And really I just counted down
to when I could move.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Okay, So then you came with a publishing deal or
it had it. I actually already had the cat grab it, Okay,
So you h while you were coming to town, and
then so you had another.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
So now you're on your second publishing deal, already super.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Young, living in Nashville. You got it going on.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You're going viral, and now you realize I don't need
I don't need nobody, I don't need nobody. I can
I'm gonna do this by myself. And then when the
light bulb clicks and you realize you have that freedom,
like what.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Do you do next? How do you keep it going?
You know?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
That's interesting. After after a long Way, I felt a
lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
So that's the one that went like one hundred thousand overnight, yeah,
and a million views like overnight.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yes, long Way was crazy to wake up to being viral.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
It was crazy, like the notifications were going crazy. It
was so much fun, and it was so it was
just so exciting. I had actually back then had a
few different labels calling me and a few different publishing
companies calling me, and I had a lot of exciting
things going on. But I just felt this pressure to
like keep that going. And as we all know, not
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every single song and every single video are gonna go
completely viral the minute you post them.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I mean, it just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
So it's like instead of chasing a number one, necessarily
you're chasing another viral moment.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yes, Like okay, I.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Think everybody started feeling like, well, if it's not viral,
if that song's not viral, then it's not good enough,
or that if that song is not viral, it can't
be the next.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
So it's the same thing, just in a different way
if it's not viral, like if it's not yes, okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
So it got to the point where you know, I
following that up.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Then you're trying to chase what's viral instead of doing
what you did at first.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
This is the.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Same story, just a different platform, like that old generation before.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Preaching TikTok yea.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It's the same thing that happened on radio.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Now you're just trying to like chase the viralness instead
of the authenticness.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Is why you went viral. So you get.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Lost in the game a little bit, even though you're
the boss.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It's it's interesting, really hard to go.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Okay, celebrate that moment and then move forward without beating
yourself up for the next song or the next song
that didn't do exactly what that one did, you know.
And I think I also think a lot of I
think a lot of labels are chasing that too. I
think it's really like, oh, what's popping off in this
exact moment, we better like jump on that, but just
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then also wait for that person to go viral again.
And so I think I just got to the point where,
like you said, the authenticity, I just thought, Okay, if
I really love something, I'm gonna post it. If I
feel like it's really genuine to me, and if I'm
having fun sharing it, I'm gonna share it. And I'm
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not gonna I'm not gonna let myself have the pressure
of everything being viral all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
So I really just I had to let go of that.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
And then how did you let go of everything?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
How did you let it go?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
You know?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I just I was so tired of feeling like I
was trying to live up to yourself.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, yeah, I was like, and.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
I wanted to just celebrate the fact that long Way
was what it was in that moment and it was amazing,
and I didn't want to feel like I didn't want
to let all the other moments be dampered because it
wasn't the same as that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So wisdom, right, A lot of life happens to you know.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Again, I just was back to writing songs, working two
jobs on the side of writing songs and racing around
and do I mean, I just got back into working
the way that I was before and trusting that the
next thing would come when it came, and a full surrender.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Man got to love it.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And when I I think around the time that I
fully surrendered is when I got pregnant.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
And then here comes a whole new life.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yes, because I mean life, A life sure ain't the
same whence you have a baby. And especially for you,
at how old were you when you found out?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I was twenty four?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That is so young.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh my gosh, I was such a disaster at twenty four.
You are so put together, like you are so like
your brain is on so much straighter than mine.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
It took me so long.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
To get my head off a swivel, but you just
have been ground.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
My head was on a swivel that day, for sure.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I uh yeah, our girl was a surprise, and then
you were great surprise ever right on time. Yes, so
so again your husband was a surprise too, Yeah, because
you were also super young when you met this adorable precious.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I mean, y'all are like the most good looking, adorable
couple I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
He's so cute and y'all are so He like enjoys
TikTok and being fun with you. I feel like a
lot of guys are resistant to that, but he's like
singing your songs in the car. He's like giving it all.
I got, Yeah, he's got all the time. And when
y'all did your pregnancy announcement and he cried, I'm.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Like, oh my god, okay, yeah he was well again.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
We were so surprised, like you met him when you
were eighteen, yes, twenty five yep.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
And then we got married. I think I was twenty
three when we got married. And then it was right
like literally right at our one year anniversary, we found
out about Isla and we both, I mean we were
very shocked. So I found out by myself. He was
on the golf course just stilling, pregnant. Your boob's hurting. No,
I was really late, and I was like I was
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so late that I was like, I need to take
a test, but I'm not pregnant like forty, like a
couple of weeks late, like a full week, and I'm
you're always on the time.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, okay. I was like, this is.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Weird, and I went I remember buying the pregnancy test.
I was like, you know they're expensive. Yeah, oh yeah,
I bought the pregnancy test and I was at the
Walgreens checkout, thinking this is ridiculous. I'm not missing it.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Thirty dollars this test.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm spending thirty dollars just to like
make myself feel better, but I'm not pregnant.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well sure enough, did you die? Yes?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So he's on the golf course, Like, you're not not
trying to get pregnant?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Are you acting?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
We were?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, we were trying not not to get pregnant. Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, And I took the test. It was like one
o'clock on Friday afternoon. He's on the golf course. I
think I didn't even think anything of it because I
know in my mind, I know it's negative, like I'm
just doing this for a peace of mind. Yeah, and
it was very positive, like it says wait three minutes
to read.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I was like, right, brightla, she's coming it hot. Yeah ready.
So it was.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
It was the most surreal moment of my life. It
was the best day ever. But I was I was
in shock.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Did you have am and listen, I am a mom
and I love my daughter more than anything, But did
you have a moment of like the most exc slash
deep grieving of like, oh my god, everything changed in
one moment, you.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Know what's wild? So I thought again, we were not
trying to get pregnant, especially because you're so young. Yes,
well so, and I thought that I would have that feeling.
I can't tell you how excited I was, Like I truly,
I truly, just like everything instantly was just needing her
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to be okay and want like wanting her and everything
just like in a split second. And I think that's
because I've always wanted this, like mom, Yes, like I've
never this journey for me was never like, oh, well
I want this career and then if it works out
to be a mom, I'll be a mom. It was
it was I'm going to be a mom, I'm going
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to have a family, and I have no idea how
I can do both. And I was, well, I was
nervous about how those things would go together, and I
think I felt for a long time like they couldn't
go together.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I totally get that feeling.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
So that was something for me that really that's the
only reason we were trying not to be pregnant, was
because I felt like I couldn't do them both. Yeah,
I felt like I couldn't be an artist. I felt
like I couldn't be a songwriter and a singer. And
have all the things that I wanted if I.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Did that just because it's so demanding, or because you
think people wouldn't want to sign a mom the perception
because you're a mom. I know I'd get that feeling
I was doing coming up as an artist and all
these things before TikTok and all that, and I never
felt like I could have a family or even get married.
You know, don't get married, get to mess your career.
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Don't talk too much about your husband because you.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Have to look available.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, like too, and you just have to devote your
whole life to this career. And that's the only thing
you get to do is have this all demanding career,
which is awesome but like consumes your entire existence.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yes, and get this. So what really struck me was
so so I see the two pink lines and I'm
processing all of this like to me, out of the blue,
like I'm having to that's.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
What your song is about. Out of the blue, Yes, A
long way.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
No, out of the blue, stooping class.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
There's so many great songs and lyrics.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
So I throughout my pregnancy is when I really was like, Okay,
how is this going to go for me?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
How am I going to balance this?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
And I really I started realizing, like everything that we
just talked about, that feeling that we both had as
women in the industry. I'm like, if I'm a male
artist and I find out I'm a dad, it just
like it boosts me, Like everybody thinks, great, it will
like him even more because he's terrible.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
He's a dad. Look at him with his kid.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yes, And I felt like, why can't as as female
artists and as women singing songs that are supposed to
relate to people, Why can't we Like I need as
a fan and a listener to hear my story in
these songs on the radio and on these playlists, and
I'm I, as a fan, was missing hearing stories about
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this phase of life. We're all doing it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
We all are.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
We're all we're all wanting to be married.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Or we're all in it. We're all in this tornado
of this.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yes, the dating, the marriage, the kids, the not kids,
the imfertility, the struggle of raising all of them. We're
right here in the big all of us. In some
form of fashion, we're all navigating exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
And again, it's all about singing about your authentic experience.
And I really did. I had a choice to hide
my pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I got chills, like that sucks. That sucks so bad.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I felt I felt like I had a choice to
you know, not announce for a long time, not tell anybody,
not celebrate my motherhood, and who are.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
We hiding it from? Like iea that you can't be this.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Exactly Yeah, and truly it's the best thing that I've
ever done. And I thought, I just want to shout
this from the rooftops, like I just I want to
if anyone is afraid to like have all of the
things that they want just because they're worried about what
people think of them, which is exactly where I was at,
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which we all feel that way, like we need to
like nip that in the butt good.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So you're like, I'm gonna nip it.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, yeah, So, And I just felt like there was
I mean, like you said, there's just so many there
were so many songs and so many lyrics that were
just like started naturally.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Coming out of me.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
That was like I need to write about this, and
I need to say this, and we need to talk
about this, and it just really everything just came into focus.
My purpose was I just had a fuller purpose. I
knew also when you have kids, Like, the biggest thing
I've learned is like, I have so much less room
for bullshit.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
You got no extra bandwidth, Like, no, it's I got
no room for nothing. Yeah, yeah, I have whatever second
face better be adding to your life exactly.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I care a lot less about stupid thing anything.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, I care a lot less about anything. I'm like literally,
like nothing even fazes me.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
If I would have come in here and had like
throw up on my shirt, I really probably would not
have even cared.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I probably I used to be in America right now.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
No, you look great, thanks, Yeah, but I just yeah,
so I really got I really got focused, and I
really got clear.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And you know, God makes no mistakes. And you, like
you said, right on time because it was sooner than
you wanted, just like meeting your husband was sooner than
you wanted, but it here, but you knew it was
the right thing, and so you're like, well, dang it, Okay,
I guess I'm gonna do this. It's a little sooner
than I was ready, but I must be ready because
here it is. Yeah, and it's perfect timing.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
And like you said, I mean, I've I just I
fully trusted that God had me on this path that
was exactly where I was meant to be in the moment,
and I just this is where I let go of
I need a record deal and.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I needed to feel a certain way.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah, and I need it to happen on this timeline
or else I'm quote unquote not successful. And it's like,
oh my gosh, now I know, like I'm already successful.
My coming home to a husband that I love and
my beautiful, perfect angel daughter is.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Like that's success, right.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
So everything else that we do is just really for
to fulfill your purpose.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
The calling on your heart.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
You feel called since a very young age to sing
and write and put your music out there and put
your voice out there. That's a calling. So like you're
answering that calling, but you're also letting God guide it, yes,
you know. And I feel like that is like the
very hard moment of surrender where it's like, Okay, I'm
just gonna let this God, I'm just gonna let you
lead it and I'm just going to follow and I'm
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just going to try.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And also, I think.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
People need to see happy marriages, Like there is so
much sadness out there. And there are so many broken homes,
and there are so many people who are struggling to
find good, happy people to like look up to to.
You know, we all need some good examples that like
it's cool to be married, it's great to like, it's.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Cool to be a mom, it's cool to be a mom.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
It's not like this dead in like prison sentence where
you're just locked away exactly.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah, And I think I think when you're pregnant, it's like,
oh my gosh, like I'm so excited. But also everyone's
telling me my life is going to end, and it's
like this is just the beginning for me, Like this,
this is me truly. Just I can be all of
these things. I can do them at the same time.
Because also moms are great multitaskers.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm like, oh wait, I can multitask better than I
could before.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
And yes, I think, you know, not to say that
we are perfect. We don't have a perfect marriage. We
are not perfect parenty cute though, Listen, we have so
much by guy that we're working on. But like we
that's the thing. We're happy.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
I can tell we're happy. We're a big ball of
smiles all the time.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
He's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Honestly, I don't know why I'm the one who's like
has the TikTok profile, because he really, he really should
be the one.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
To have the What is he up to? What is
his career and passionate? Oh he's in sales, Okay, so
he so actually our good team.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
He knows how to well, yeah, I help you get
out there in a way that well, like you said,
he told you get on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
He really here's what his My favorite thing about him
is that he is just he's my number one fan,
so he really is just like he's.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
A big fan girl.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
And I love that he knows like really nothing about
the music industry too, because he's always like, well why
not just do this or that or how come? And
I'm like, well, I've never thought of it that way,
but I guess you're right.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And one more fun fact about you. When were you
on a mirror an idol?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Oh my gosh, right before I got pregnant.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
So what happened? This was? Yeah, this was and you
made it kind of far.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
I made it to Hollywood Week. I was well, I
got through the first round of Hollywood Week and I
got cut on the second round in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
What is that like? Being not there?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
It's it's the most stressful thing I've ever done. Really,
I was, Yeah, I was kind of a wreck. I
just was so unlike, it was so unlike anything I'd
ever did.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You have like room with a random person, like, what
do you do? We were we were pretty very nice.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
She was really cool. I was really fangirled over Katie.
But it was line ol Chie too, right, Linc Bryan
and Lake Brian. It was it was really fun. I
we did not have to room with people. That's nice
because we were on the tail end of the COVID stuff,
so we all got our own rooms, which I was
really grateful for.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
But the audition was great because.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Colby got to be there for my audition, so had
I felt like I had some support in Nash Film.
And then I went to La by myself and.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
You stood in the long line and made it through
all the people. No, you had a little fast past.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah, well they they kind of again with COVID, they
weren't doing like the big lines and stuff, so you
kind of you had to go through a ton of
audition phases, but it wasn't in person.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Oh, it was like on zoom that's maybe better. Who knows.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I mean all of it was nerve w Yeah, the
celebrity audition might be the most nervous I've ever been
into micle and say for them, Yes, I don't know
how people do this and look so cool, calm and collected.
I watch people and I'm like, anybody, really, anybody who
can be on that show? Like I got to hand
it to them, because it's it's a hard format too.
(40:45):
Like I got to Hollywood and everybody's like, oh, it's
going to be so hard, and Hollywood Week it's like
boot camp week and everything, and I had I was
not prepared. I I had no idea what to expect.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
But it's a lot like what do you do? What
does the boot camp? Like? It's like it's like.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
No sleep and like you're not eating very much, like
you're just you're forgetting to feed you You're wreaking up
at like five am, and you're it's these really long
days and yeah, one day, like my group got skipped
for lunch and I was like I'm starving, Like yeah,
I might pass out on stage, but yeah, it's these
really grueling hours and again you're out of your comfort zone.
(41:27):
You don't have your support system there, and you're going
on knowing that millions of people are gonna watch this,
and Jennie, yeah, the crowd in front of you is
relatively small, even in Hollywood, but like, I mean, you can't.
The nerves are for the cameras and the fact that
(41:47):
Katy Perry is sitting in front of you, Lionel Richie like, yeah,
this is insane. Yeah, And I had just never done
anything like that. I don't. I also don't have a
big belting voice.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
You have that beautiful voice you do, though you have
a different big belting isn't the only I feel like
that used to be like you felt you had to
be a big belter, but like there's this velvet tea
thing that you have that is so good.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
And I've learned to again, I've learned to embrace and
appreciate and not try to be something I'm not. But
I felt a little bit of that pressure on the show.
I think I was just like surrounded by so many
incredible singers and I felt like why am I even here?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
And yeah, it was just I mean, it was a
lot of how do you imposter syndrome? When you're on
the American Idol stage, you just say, well, I'm here, Yeah,
just show up.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
I just showed up and did my best. And that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I really, I really.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Was okay when I got cut because I wanted to
go through, but I also knew that it wasn't the
end all.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Be all freaked out if you would have been the
American Idol like to go to the overnight saying like that,
that feels like that's.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
A huge, huge, like like maybe awesome but slash terrifying moment. Yeah,
I think I was.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
I was just as nervous about getting cut as I
was about going through. Yeah, I was like, wait, if
I go through, I have to I have to be
better the next time, or I have to you know
again live up or something. So I really put that
in God's hands and was like, you know, every round,
if I'm if I'm supposed to be on this journey
(43:34):
till the end, final round, then I will be. But
if I'm not, that's okay too.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
So when you put something in God's hands, because I
feel like I do this too, like and I recently
there's always next levels, next levels, but I feel like
I have really gotten to a full surrender place with God.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
What is that like when you.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Are saying God, okay here, I am an American idol
freaked out of my mind, but like, I'm just putting
it in your hands? Like, how do you actually release
it and put it in his hands?
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Ah, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
How do you, like, say, I'm letting go of my
ego and just trusting in something bigger.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I think what I do this might sound like too simple.
I really just take account of everything that I already have.
So I really just count my blessings. I know that
sounds so trivial, but I really do just I find
such a comfort and going, oh my gosh, look at
(44:29):
all the amazing things that are right here that are
already mine. That if nothing else, like if this was it,
I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
So I started waking up every morning because Oprah said
she did this, So I figured it must work and
it over does it?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
We need to do it. I mean it overdoes it.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Then there's a pretty good chance she's tried it a
lot and it works.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
But she's like every morning. First thing I do when
I hit the ground is I say thank you, thank you,
thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
And so I walk Ruby at like six in the
morning and the sun's always just starting to rise and
it's like a pink sunset, and I'm like, thank you
that I see this pink sunset, thank you for these
birds chirping, thank you that I have this adorable flip
up dog that I love that is so cute. And
it's getting me outside at six in the morning so
I can feel the fresh air and it's you know,
just like making yourself be thankful, and it really does.
(45:21):
It always makes me have full body chills, like I'm like,
oh God, I need to remember all the great things
instead of starting off in the grind immediately thinking about
all the things that I don't have or that I
need or that I'm chasing or then aren't working out exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
That's a totally different mindset. Really has changed my life, honestly.
I just love that just.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
To I think if you've come at things with like
out of abundance and like just so grateful for life,
I think things just start coming to you because you're
not so desperate for things to happen. But I need
to start the morning. I do need to start the
morning routine because I how do people wake up before
(46:00):
their kids? Like, if I was sleeping, I am asleep
until she wakes up. Like I wish that I could
get things done before this child is awake.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
But she had a bed, and what times she wake up?
Speaker 4 (46:13):
She's seven to seven? Well that's great, pretty pretty consistently.
But they sometimes she'll sleep until like eight wonderful, which
is amazing. But like, if she's sleeping until eight, I'm
sleeping till totally.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Well I used to do that until we got a
dog and then she had to wake up a six
or else she'd be on the floor so and I
sept in her poop one time. That really does not
make you thankful. That is not a thankful way to
start today.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
No, okay, I want to.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Talk to you all day.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
First off, you look like Jewel and Jessica Simpson. I've
been trying to figure it out this whole time. I'm like,
who are you reminding me of? And it's a combo
of Jessica Simpson and Jewel.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Do you get that all that?
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Ever, I don't think I've ever gotten either of those.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
I really love it.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Your side profile is more Jewel, yes, okay, it's a
little more Jessica.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
Okay, yes, I need to go like do it. Look
up a mashup of their faces.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Later and see yes, and then you could do a
mashup of their songs because y'all are all similar and beautiful.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Okay, I'm gonna wrap up because I don't want to
steal all of your day. And I'm so thankful that
you came and got a babysitter and you're ting.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
See you're multitasking. Look at you, mom.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Get us multitasking, I know. And I literally like, as
soon as I'm out of here, I'm darting to the
school with the dog so I can pick up a daughter.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
It's just I'm rushing home to mind too, so we'll
be doing the same thing.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
But it was kind of cool because we're back in
the iHeart studio and Bobby Bones kind of found you
on TikTok right, yes, and he like did a big champion.
I love that when he champions people, like when he
finds someone, he's you know they're good when he's like
found them, and he like was like, okay, Sarah Beth,
it was I'm on the show playing your song.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
It's one, It's it's one of the coolest things that's
ever happened really to me career wise, because I again
Colby and I both, I mean, we we're big Bobby
Bones fans, like we. I used to listen to the
show every morning on my way to my office admin
the wealth desk job, yep. And every morning I was
on the way at six am, I'm just like wishing
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that I wasn't driving to.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
This job and that you were on the show.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
Yes, I've listened to people go on the show and
just like dream about the day that I would be
on the show, and then.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
A big manifestor I actually do. And you get it
sooner than you're ready for, right on time.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Right on time. Yeah, you're like, this is gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I'm gonna have this awesome husband, I'm having a great baby,
I'm gonna have a great career. I'm going a great
baby on the show. And it just all kind of
like you feel it so deeply. It just gets here
a little faster than you're ready. Listen, Thanks, you are
ready for Bobby Buds.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
I was not prepared. So he shared my TikTok video
of long Way, and I did not see it fast
enough everybody started messaging me like have you I mean,
Bobby has the greatest fans and all of his people
started messaging me like have you seen this yet? Have
you seen this yet? He just shared your video and
(48:51):
we were freaking out. It was so much fun and you.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Just had your baby too, right. Well, this was the
first time I went on the show, was with long Wi.
So this is back. You've been a multiple repeater. I
think I have ye like two times. So did you
go big Wig?
Speaker 4 (49:09):
So I was just absolutely I was like starstruck. And
then the day that I got to come in, I
was so nervous. I was like again, like so many
people listening. It was just it was so much fun though,
like this, I love everybody on the show, and it
felt so like relaxed, and it was it was just
a dream come true. It was really like a full circle.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
And then you heard your song on the radio. It's like, yeah,
all your dreams are coming isn't that the truth?
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Though?
Speaker 3 (49:34):
It's like, your dreams do come true, they just don't
always quite come true how you think they will exactly,
you know, but.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
They will kind of true.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
It's just you can't expect them to be a certain
way at this point, I'm just like God just keeps
kind of unfolding things and I'm just along for the ride.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
And I'm like, I don't know what the next thing is,
but I know that I'm just showing up.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
And both that.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Just show up, pour your heart into it, have action
steps like go where you feel called to go, do
what you feel called to do, and just kind of
let God work is magic.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know that's what I do.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
I just kind of think that's away, show up, do
the work, give everything you got, and then just trust
that God's guiding you exactly.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
That's what we're gonna do. Then we die, you know.
So it's like we might as well try to just
find some joy, Like we never know when that's gonna
happen either.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
It's like we might as well just that's you know,
we might as well.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Game of life is really something well, and.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
We might as well share happy moments and they're happy.
That's the thing is. I'm like, I'm not gonna let
you know, I'm not gonna worry about how I'm perceived.
I'm just gonna share and celebrate all the wonderful things
that are in my.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Life and crazy others to celebrate.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Yeah, I think if we can just see some good, happy,
wholesome moments, I think it just makes us all feel a.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Little bit better.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
And that's not to say it's perfect, but I think
it makes us all feel like, oh hey, like maybe
we had a hard day, but it's also overall pretty great.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, find thanks to be grateful for.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Okay. Always wrap up with leave your Light and it's basically,
what do you want people to know?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Oh my gosh, uh I want people to know?
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Wait is it about me or just about anything?
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Anything, you, your heart, whatever, just whatever you feel like,
whatever comes into your brain. Really Yeah, I guess I
just want people to know that life is good and
to look for the good.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Okay, and you have a song about that, Yes, pretty old,
pretty good living uh huh.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
It is coming out on March first, so oh my god.
If you're listening to this before or after, you maybe
can already find it or pre save it, or.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
You haven't put a single out in a minute.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
It has been well, it's been as old as my daughter.
My last single was before she was born. So it's
been about a year and a half since I released
this song.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
And that was right on time that you're released.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Exactly, and it's been it's been just the most transformative
year in my career. Just yeah, so this was the.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Best year of your life. Yeah, because you had a daughter.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Because I had a daughter, and yeah, she really, I mean,
she really makes everything better. But it also, like I said,
in my career, I just I was enjoying everything more.
Everything has just had so much more clarity to it.
The song I just I love the songs I'm writing more.
I love all the people that I work with more.
(52:30):
I just love everything is just really just kind of
come into focus. And so I recorded a full project
last year and we actually had it completely done, ready
to go, and then I wrote Pretty Good Living and
people really connected with that song.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
And so do you test all your songs that on
TikTok before you decide? That's the thing is.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
I got this project done thinking, Okay, this is it regardless,
like this is it for the songs that I am
proud of and this is the new me. And I
actually only shared Pretty Good Living because I didn't want
to share the other songs yet, and we were having
fun singing it in the car, and I thought, well,
this will be like a fun thing to post because
(53:15):
I love this song and I had no idea that
everybody was gonna love it so much. And so my
producer called me and he's like, we you realize that
we have to add this, like you realize that this
needs to happen, and I was like, I know, I know.
So we like raced into the studio after the New
year and just got this when done as quick as
we could. And now it's obviously the first single.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
So isn't that fun how that happens?
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah, another just letting go of what I thought was
going to happen and just go in with the flow.
And I'm just so excited about this because again it's
just really celebrating, you know, all of the problems that
we have and also how just sweet this stage of
life is.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
I love that, and yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
We are just we love singing it and it's just like, yeah,
it's our family like soundtrack right now.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Really, Ela, she's a jammer too. Oh she loves it.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
She I love that you serenade her with your guitar
and sing your songs. I'm like, she doesn't even know
how cool her mom is.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
Okay, she's getting to where like she now is like
less interested in listening to me, Like she's like already
she's like, Mom, She's like, can I have the guitar
and maybe break it?
Speaker 2 (54:27):
That's what I want to do.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
She's she's very active now, so it's getting harder and
harder to get her to sit still.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
But yeah, she loves the.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
Song and we just we've been singing it to her
for months now, and so anyways, my family's probably sick
of it now, and everybody else needs to just go
stream it so they get to stop listening to it
on repeat.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
I love it, Okay, so everyone check out that project.
March First, what's it called?
Speaker 4 (54:52):
March First is pretty good living and then we've got
a lot more to come after that. So hey, Sarah Beth.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Tait, you're adorable. Thank you so much for coming hang on.
This is so fun. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
I loved it.
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