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October 23, 2023 49 mins

Movie Mike talks with Ángel Manuel Soto who is the director of DC’s Blue Beetle  He shares the piece of his personal life he specifically put into the movie, casting Xolo Maridueña as The Blue Beetle, honoring the comic book legacy and committing to the use of Spanish in the film. Mike gets into a discussion after the interview about a recent article by Study Finds about the healing power of film therapy and shares movies he has found therapeutic in difference situations. In the Movie Review, Mike and Kelsey talk about Killers of the Flower Moon. They share whether it was warranted a 3 and a half hour runtime, if it will win Best Picture and Kelsey compares the film to the book. In the Trailer Park, Mike talks about Anyone But You It which is a rom-com starring Sydney Sweeney and Glen Powell. The film is about a couple who goes an amazing first date but fizzle out soon after - but then find themselves unexpectedly reunited at a destination wedding in Australia.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's Movie Podcast. I
am your host Movie Mike, and I am fired up
about this week's episode because I am talking to director
on hell Manuel Soto about Blue Beetle. What went into
directing this movie, one of my favorite movies of the
summer and one of my favorite DC movies in a
long time. In the movie review, we'll be talking about
the three and a half hour long Killers of the

(00:22):
Flower Moon. Kelsey will hop in and review that with
me so she can give her perspective after reading the
book and watching the movie. And in the trailer park
we have the first look at a spicy R rated
rom com Anyone but You, coming out in December. Thank
you for being here, Shout out to the Monday Morning
Movie crew. And now let's talk movies. In a world
where everyone and their mother has a podcast, one man

(00:45):
stands to infiltrate the ears of listeners like never before
in a movie podcast. A man with so much movie knowledge.
He's basically like a walking IMTV with glasses. From the
Nashville Podcast Network. This is Movie Mike's Movie Podcast. I
got to get into my conversation with anhell Manuel Soto,

(01:06):
who is the director of Blue Beetle, a movie that,
if you listen to this podcast that heard my review,
was one that really resonated with me this summer because
it was a reflection of my culture and being in
my thirties. Now it's the first time I've ever seen
a superhero that looks like me. I didn't realize until
later in life how much representation was important in film,
because just growing up, I wasn't used to seeing anybody

(01:30):
on screen that reflected where I came from, my parents,
the way we spoke that I didn't even realize it
could be a thing. So I'm really excited to talk
to him because I want to know what went into
making these decisions when it comes to how Mexican do
you want to make this movie? And if you haven't
seen Blue Beetle at this point, I don't know what
you're waiting for. It's available now on digital and it's

(01:50):
coming out on four k UltraHD on October thirty first,
So you got to check out this movie, but you
don't need to have seen it to enjoy this interview.
We won't spoil anything for you, but let's get into
it now. My interview with the director of blue beetles. Hey.
Something they mentioned before we got on this interview was
the pronunciation of your name, and they got me to thinking,
did you draw a personal experience in the movie when

(02:11):
they keep calling him alone, they keep calling them Jamie,
and they're like, we we had to like that. That's
something that's way to common, I guess to avoid and
the fact that you know it is hi Met but
people call him Jamie And it happened during production. It
happen all the time. They happen some interviews and I'm like,

(02:34):
see it happens, you know, and it happened to me, Like, uh,
my wife always makes fun of me because at first
I used to lose patience, but then I'm like, you know,
it's what it is because it's Anghil, And they'll be like,
can you say that again? Anghil and Ahil? How do
you spell it? Like angel? Oh? Angel? Like it doesn't work.

(02:57):
Repeating funatics doesn't work for everybody. So I'm like, you know,
just tell me whatever you want as long as you're
being respectful. I feel on a personal level because my
real name is Mika Longhill, my dad is Uhill, And
there were a lot of moments of this movie where
I felt like just speaking to me and that was
one in particular, and even with them, you know, thinking

(03:18):
that he is supposed to be at a different location, like, hey,
you're not supposed to hear you're supposed to be helping
in the back. Oh man, that's uh, that happened to me.
I'm the writer. Much like the scare of chose Himen
in this movie to become the Blue Beatle. You chose
to be the Blue Beetle. What is that feeling like
to let an actor know you have the part, like
you're the one gonna be the blue Beetle. I think

(03:39):
Walt Hamada was the one that told me that, you know,
you're about to change a kid's life forever with this.
You know, it's not just a movie. It's like, it's
what thisc means to a lot of people. It's what
this he means to a culture in commercial cinema in Hollywood.
You know, being a leading man and being an action

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hero superhero stars, it's a level. And you know he
coming from TV and doing a job because he hasn't
done cinema, He hasn't done theatrical besides Cobra Kai. So
that jump is massive, But I knew that he could

(04:25):
handle that type of jump and that type of exposure
because I met him way before we both knew Bluebtle
was in the picture we met, I think it was
twenty nineteen or something. He had not done. I think
Cobra Kai hadn't even come out yet. He only shot

(04:46):
the first season. But what I met was a kid
that was grounded, that was vulderable, that was very close
to his family and was very true to his values.
And so when the opportunity came for me, it was
a no brainer to recommend Show to be the lead.

(05:07):
He was already known for Cobra Kai uh, and he's
also a copy paste from him Maria's in the comic,
and he happens to have martial arts background, but his heart,
he help ground that he is, and how close his
family is to him consistently just made it clear for
me that you know, Hi, metrios Iss, you reference the

(05:31):
comic there, which because of the movie now I am
so into learning everything about Blue Beetle. I'm reading the
current run of the comic with their base. Yeah, it's
an excellent comic, but with there being so much history
in the character and so much source material, how do
you sit down and think, like, Okay, how can I
honor all of this but also create my own vision
and make the movie I want to make. Man that

(05:53):
I have to give credit? What credits to do? And
that's one of the amazing words that come from one
of Blue Beetles Biggas fan, and that's our writer, Guarded
Tone Arcossene. We knew we had to choose the greatest
hits of all the different iterations that we have seen

(06:16):
from Heimagius, not just in the comic, but also into Titans,
Young Justice and even in the Injustice two games. Like,
how can we take the things that we like the
most out of it embody them into our own version
of the inter cinematic universe, which can doesn't have to

(06:37):
like be verbat on one version or the other. We
can actually do an amalgamation of all the different things
that we love about Hymn and bring them together. And
at the same time, how can we honor all the
different things. You know, car practice part of it, but
also tep cord is part of it, but also the
richest part of it. So how can we keep this

(06:57):
essence into it? And I think is by showing love
and respect to the source material. We really wanted to
how can we protect the things that work already from
the comic and we can get into the cinematic universe
and create our own lane with the information that we have,
because that's the beauty for us. That was a beautiful

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part of it is being able to pick and choose
what resonated the most with us while also living space
for future films or sequels or whatever they want to
do that we can also take from it, which I
think that's one of the cool things that Graduation Day
has done. But Meta City was already in place, so

(07:41):
we kind of like incorporated Palmela City, who is then
Graduation Day. We have Victoria Cord who is also in
Graduation Day, and in our title sequence we have like
all the different scrubs, and then in Graduation that you
see all the other new scarts that are coming in.
So you know, it's it's an open canvas that I
think is really fun to to just think of the possibilities.

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This is the only movie that I've seen twice in
theaters this year. I went to go see it the
first time in the summer, and I loved it so
much that I wanted to take my mom to go
see it. My mom, oh nice. She does not like
superhero movies whatsoever. She grew up in Mexico, came here
as a teenager, but she loved the movie. And one
of the things that I found her grass beyond to
was the fact that you committed to using Spanish throughout

(08:24):
the entire movie. Did that feel like a bit of
a risk to you, nocause that's my life, that's our life.
I don't. I don't see it as a risk. I
don't know if the studios is that as a risk.
But when we were doing it, we had the blessing.
I wanted to have more Spanish because the truth is,
all those actors, especially like Alberto reg and a Barrasa,

(08:48):
their main language is Spanish, and when you speak from
their heart, it doesn't matter where you are, You're going
to speak from the language that you can better communicates
to me a lot, like for me, I'm here struggling
as I translate in real time, like if it was
from me, I will do this in Spanish, basically, but

(09:09):
our Spanish is already part of the dynamic. And because
we have three generations of family in the film, it
felt very authentic. This is how we talk. There's the
old lady that only speaks Spanish but understands English because
she's been here for a long time, but she refuses
to speak English. There's the parents that they have to
live in both worlds. And there's the kids that are

(09:31):
already born there as for generation, but English is their
first language, but they understand and they can speak Spanish.
So having that work organically, we just went for the organic.
We didn't want to force anything. We didn't want to
force their wrong English because it felt like that doesn't
come from the heart. It would be better in Spanish.
We didn't do the whole the way Hollywood used to

(09:51):
do it, which is like I say something in Spanish
and then I right off the bad translated in English.
For you know, the person that refuses to read subtitles.
You know there's no need for that. So yes, let's
swing it because this is how we talk. And you
who hired us for our authenticity, so let us be authentic,
and they did. I loved it. I just wanted to

(10:12):
thank you for creating a story and creating characters that
listen to the music. We listen to talk the way
we talk. Drive the cars that we drive, and the
fact that you put those to kandess the Tijuana in
a major motion picture was like I was like, that's
it for me, Like this is going to be my
favorite movie. Well again, like you know, the same way
that we consume Cypress Hill, we also consume the stuff

(10:35):
that we grew up in. Like how how untrue would
it be to only play United States Top forty in
all Latino? It doesn't make sense to me. We listen
to it, But you know what, there's other music too, man,
You know, like there's more stuff out in the world
that's fun that creates a similar emotion. You know, you

(10:55):
can have eighties music in John Hilles and we have
sorta stereo, so not use it like it's right there
for us. So for me, it was about let us
show the world who how we can be, or a
portion of everything that we can be, and maybe if
we don't conform to the expectations of society, maybe we

(11:17):
can bring something fresh. I don't know, really appreciate it.
Love the movie. Great to get to talk to you,
oh Man, thank you so much. That was a great talk.
I have a good one you too, But I was
great getting to talk to Onnhill, and there was so
much I wanted to talk to him about, but I
only had a lot of the amount of time. But man,
I could have done an hour with that guy. One
thing that I wish we could have got into and
would have had time for was talking about the emotional

(11:42):
level that Blue Beetle unexpectedly hit me on. And I
think I'm somebody who has trouble talking about their emotions,
but when it comes to the way a movie makes
me feel, I have no issue whatsoever. And I think
I even showed that in my movie reviews, which a
lot of people think, oh, it's the podcast where he

(12:04):
talks about movies. But I always try to share a
piece of myself with you in my reviews, let you
know how the movie makes me feel. Because I can't
really talk about all the spoiler stuff, But as long
as I talk about how a movie makes me feel,
that's all fair games. So I think I do that
a lot, to the point now that I just share
my emotions more on this podcast and sometimes I do

(12:26):
in real life, so I feel like you're getting the
most authentic version of myself. Because of that, it's so
much easier for me to talk about films than it
is to talk about real life things. So I wish
I could have talked to on how more about all
the things that this movie made me feel. And just coincidentally,
this week, I saw this article and studyfindes dot org

(12:48):
talking about film therapy and how movies can improve mental
health and boost empathy. And after reading this article, I
thought to myself, if I didn't have films, one I'm
not sure I would be here, and two, I feel
like I would have even more of things like stuffed

(13:08):
up and like pent up in my body that I
could not get out because I wouldn't be able to
express them. And I realize now when I see a
character go through something that I have been through, I
am so able to identify it and pick apart every
single aspect of their mental state, the reason they made
the decisions. And I try to see a little bit
of myself in characters. And I think the movies that

(13:30):
really resonate with me are ones that I'm like. Take
Blue Beetle, for example, a lot of Heimen's life is
parallel to my life, having you know, Hispanic parents, grandparents,
but being the first one in his family to go
to college. There were so much of myself that I
saw in his character that the movie hit me on

(13:52):
an emotional level, really with the relationship with his father.
So I feel like me talking about this movie and
what his character goes through in that. The reason this
is the first movie to make me cry in probably
five six, seven years is because of that reason. And
I have no problem wanting to cry. I've been looking

(14:13):
for a movie for years to make me cry. I
did not think it was gonna be DC's Blue Beetle,
a superhero movie that would finally get it out of me.
And the more I read about this article and it
talks about how a movie can really engage with you
emotionally to the point that it feels very therapeutic, and
crying while watching this movie felt so therapeutic to me,

(14:36):
and I felt so good afterwards. And that was just
after the first time I watched the movie. After the
second time, when I went back with my mom and
I knew what was coming in the movie, I thought
to myself, there's no way this movie's gonna make me
cry again. And it did, and I realized it is
because I've been going through a lot as I'm getting older,
and I see the people around me getting older, and

(14:58):
up to this point, I really haven't. I had to
deal with a whole lot of grief in my life,
and I think it was watching this film and getting
to feel what they feel in this movie that it
just kind of was introspective to me of like I'm
gonna have to deal with things like this someday, and
maybe I wasn't completely ready for it, but man, afterwards,

(15:20):
even though the movie made me sad, it did make
me feel good. Which there have been a lot of
other films that have done this too, and I'll get
to more of those here in a bit, But I
do want to share more of this study because the
more I read into it, I thought they had me
down to a science. But the article went on to
say that talking about movie characters can feel more comfortable
than discussing issues directly, as it gives the person some

(15:43):
emotional distance from what they're going through. Oh my gosh,
you guys, that is me to a t. I come
on here and talk about a review and talk about
a character and all of the things that they felt
and wanted. That is me. That line is exactly me.
It also says that films can also help people learn
life skills from how movie characters deal with their challenges,

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And I think this relates to me a lot because
growing up, I love my parents, but they didn't really
teach me everything I needed to know in life. And
I'm talking very basic things, like my parents never had
the talk with me. The talk. To this day, thirty
two years old, I still don't know what happens with
that stuff, with the talk stuff, because they didn't really

(16:27):
know how to speak to me because they didn't have
parents who spoke to them about those types of things.
And a lot of that stuff, good or bad, I
ended up learning from movies. So whether it be the talk,
or whether it just be to how to deal with
bullies in school, or how to deal with American problems,
which my parents were both from Mexico, so they didn't

(16:49):
make it past third or fourth grade, let alone deal
with any kind of education system in America aside from
when they got their citizenship. That was their school. But
they didn't know how to help me with my homework.
They didn't know how to help me with issues with
other students or teachers or anything like that. Growing up,
I learned so much of that from movies, So I

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feel like seeing characters go through challenges that I went
through as a kid was so important to me. And
I think a lot of that was Disney movies, because
a lot of Disney movies deal with coincidentally a lot
of tragic things that from childhood. I just grasped onto
these stories and grasped onto watching all these movies because
they were my therapist, they were my teacher and in

(17:33):
some cases they were parental figures to me because there
were no rules when it came to what a movie
could teach you. So a lot of that I just
learned from watching movies and watching characters go through these things.
And I think now that is why I feel that
kids movies need to have another level to them always.

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There always needs to be that moral lesson that you
learn after watching a movie. And I think Pixar does
the best job at that of teaching kids things that
are very valuable. And there are a lot of Pixar
movies that almost feel like therapy sessions if you look
at Inside Out. That movie has to do with helping
people understand the underlying causes of depression and feeling sadness

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and realizing that it is okay to feel those sad
things because in that movie they want Riley to have
a perfect life and not feel this sadness. But you
realize after watching that movie that if you're going to
be a human in the real world, you're gonna feel sadness.
That was a great lesson to learn in a movie,
and I hope that kids who watch that now and

(18:41):
go back and watch it on Disney Plus they get
that lesson and they are able to understand that it's
okay to feel sad and even depress sometimes. I'm somebody
who deals with anxiety and depression, and that really wasn't
in a whole lot of kids movies until Inside Out
and I was already an adult. Also, movies that deal
with grief, going back to Disney and Pixar, Frozen two

(19:05):
deals with grief. Up had everybody sobbing within that first
opening scene because it talks about grief, or even movies
like Finding Nemo that talk about trauma and anxiety and
how that impacts your life, or movies like Coco that
you deal with having a family member who has dementia.

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So not only do movies make you feel things that
are good just to feel as a human, because I
think That's where I come from sometimes, is I just
look for things that make me feel because sometimes I
feel like I have a heart of stone, So anything
that can make me feel an emotion. But also movies
that actually take on mental health issues straight on are

(19:46):
really highly needed. So I'm always on the search for
movies that make me feel, but I also love it
when movies actually take on a mental health issue. Going
back to this article, it says film brings together images, story, metaphor,
and music, all of which are shown to have therapeutic benefits.
Movies are also accessible and can offer something familiar and

(20:06):
easy to talk about as a basis of therapy conventions.
And the article goes on to talk about something called
a movie method, which stands for mindful engagement, observing responses,
voicing experience, identifying personal relevance, and exploring new possibilities, and
it says while working with a therapist is recommended if
you are experiencing mental health difficulties, anyone can use the

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movie method to connect more mindfully with the films that
you watch the first step of the movie method involves
a mindful check to consider how you're feeling and if
it is a good day for you to engage in
the movie you've chosen, which I use the movie method
a lot. Sometimes I just need something that makes me happy.
Just the other day, I rewatched Angels in the Outfield
because I needed something that made me feel nostalgic and

(20:50):
made me feel like a kid again. So I think
there is a lot of power in that. I think
there are times that I get so consumed in work
and all the things I have to do every day,
and it feels like the weight of the world is
on my shoulder. Sometimes I just need to revert to
something that makes me feel and remember a really good
time in my life where I had no worries. And
a lot of that are movies from the nineties and

(21:12):
early two thousands. So I think sometimes I have to
be in the right mental state to watch different things.
Sometimes I'm not feeling that great mentally, and to think
about sitting down and watching a drama where the character
goes through something hard too, I don't want to focus
on that at that moment. I want to watch something big, dumb,
fun where things are just exploding on the screen. So

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I think there is also something to right place, right
time when it comes to watching different types of films,
so definitely take that into consideration when you sit down
to pick a movie on your movie night. The article concludes, saying,
the next time you sit down to watch a movie,
think about how you can make the most of the experience.
Applying the therapy film methods may help you engage more
mindfully with what you're watching and may help you learn

(21:56):
new things about yourself as a result. So I encourage
you to try out this movie method because it's something
we can all do, and if you're here, it's because
you love movies like I do. And I feel like
this has been highly beneficial to me to explore movies
that I may not have wanted to watch otherwise because
I think, ah, maybe that movie's not for me. I

(22:17):
feel like I've gotten a lot more into rom coms
lately because of Kelsey that is one of her favorite genres.
But I am so open minded now about any kind
of genre movie that I watch, because one, I have
this podcast, and I feel like any movie I watch
can turn into some kind of content for this show.
But mainly because I want to be exposed to everything.

(22:39):
I want to experience and feel everything, and if I
limit myself in any way, I'm doing a disservice to
myself and a disservice to you. So I also encourage
you in not only the movies I talk about, but
other movies you see people you know sharing on social
media or seeing a promo for if it's not your
cup of tea, just by the promo that you think

(23:01):
maybe there's something in that character that I could learn
from and experience something. I say, give it a chance.
But I would also say, coming from my own personal
experience of only really using movies and film as therapy,
you really have something going on in your life, I
advise you to seek out somebody to talk to and
don't be ashamed of it. And going back to talking

(23:22):
about Blue Beetle and my Mexican parents, I think that's
another thing. It's just hard for people from my culture
to talk openly about feelings and openly about your mental
health because I think growing up, we were so focused
on just staying healthy as far as not having to
go to the hospital, not having to take some kind

(23:43):
of medication to get us through the day, that we
kind of pushed all those mental health problems to the bottom.
And I found myself digging around in VHS and DBD
stacks to try to find somebody to tell me that
it's okay to be like the characters and movies and
have emotional issues and work through those things. Because just
like while watching a movie, I want to see some

(24:05):
character development and see somebody go through and learn things.
I think I need to apply that to my own life.
We would I say about my own character development, my
own story arc. So that is all I wanted to
share with you today. Come back, Kelsey will hop in.
We'll give our review on Killers of the Flower Moon

(24:25):
whether or not it was worth the three and a
half hour runtime. After this, let's get into it now.
A spoiler free movie review of Killers of the Flower
Moon comes to us from director Martin Scorsese. The movie
is listed at three and a half hours, but we
actually found it's about three twenty. Not that it makes

(24:45):
it a whole lot better, like a whole lot easier
to take on. But I feel like going into this movie,
we kind of went into it with a little bit
of trepidation just because of that length. Right, it's very long.
It seems very long. It doesn't feel that long when
you're watching it, it doesn't, But I feel feel like
when you go into a movie. I don't want to
say dreading it because I was excited for this movie.
It's Martin Scurseasy, Leonardo DiCaprio. It's the tenth film Nero

(25:09):
he's done with de Niro, so we were both excited
going into it. You read the book, I didn't, but
I feel like a bit of it was just like,
Oh my gosh, I gotta prepare myself to take on
this mental load of this movie. But let's get into
what this movie is about. And again, I know it's
based on true events, it's based on the book, but
I don't want to give away the details that you
learn about watching this movie because I think just the

(25:30):
way you take on this story is very valuable to
knowing nothing. Really a whole lot going into it that
the trailer didn't give us. So that's all we'll speak
about on the plot of the movie. But it takes
place in the nineteen twenties. The members of the Osage
Native American tribe were being murdered, and the reason why
is because they were living on this land that was
essentially described as the worst land ever. But they found

(25:54):
out that there was oil on this land, so suddenly
this is a lot of oil that yeah, suddenly this
land that was so terrible was now so valuable because
there was oil on it, and all the members of
the O Sage tribe got rich, really really rich. In
the movie at the beginning, it described them as like
the highest or the web per capita, and it's incredible

(26:14):
that they just are able to now live this entirely
different lifestyle. They have all this fancy jewelry, fancy cars,
and the roles are reversed in this town in Oklahoma,
where now these people who have been stuck in this
situation where they didn't really have a whole lot of money,
whole lot of power, now they were the ones with
the most power and the most money, and a lot

(26:35):
of people living there who weren't a part of the
tribe didn't like it. They wanted that power back, they
wanted that money. They feel like they didn't earn that money.
So there was this dynamic that shifted. And where there
is money, there's gonna be corruption because you have the
character played by Robert de Niro who is trying to

(26:56):
get that money, and you have Leonardo DiCaprio's character who
plays his nephew who comes back from war and he
loves money. That's his entire character trait in this movie.
He just loves money. But then you have this family
who at the center of it all is Molly played
by Lily Gladstone, who was my favorite part of this
entire movie, Blow me Away, incredible, give her the oscar

(27:17):
now and her family has a substantial amount of money,
and the way that people in this community who are
not a part of the o Stage tribe are trying
to get their money is essentially mixing all their families together.
So what you have in this movie, it's the story
of how these group of people, led by Robert de Niro,

(27:39):
try to take their money. What ends up happening is
all these murders start going down and there's no investigation,
nothing like it's crazy. These people are dying, being like
brutally murdered, and there is just like a well, oh well,
like that's how the town responded to it. Where it's
a clear connection that it's because of their money. Essentially,

(27:59):
it is is why the FBI was created. But man,
I would say, the way to describe this movie and
its entire plot was kind of what they said in
the trailer, which is my favorite line of the entire movie,
can you find the wolves in this picture? Can you
find the wolves in this picture is essentially what this
movie is about. Where you have all these people living

(28:22):
in this community who all seem to be friends to
the Osage tribe, but behind their back, they're not their
friends whatsoever, and they just want their money. So I
think that is the overarching kind of theme of this movie.
Can you trust these people? Can you pick out the
wolves that are really just after you for your money?
And I think I really love that part of the

(28:44):
movie of discovering the story I really didn't know a
whole lot about and really becoming angry because there's so
many things that go wrong in this movie and there's
so much exploitation that I found myself getting some angry
about this where you just want something to be done.
How did you feel after reading the book and then

(29:07):
seeing the film? Okay, without giving too much a way,
we will also do a spoiler. Oh yeah, we have
so a spoiler, so we'll keep this part spoiler free.
But as far as just the the comparison in the
two without giving a whole lot away, Okay, I gave
the book four and a half stars when I reviewed
it on my good Reads, and I'll just go ahead

(29:28):
and give my film or you know, I would give
it four stars. I deduct half a start because the
movie goes off course a little from the book, and
that there's a pretty big plot line in the movie
that you're introduced to or is in the book that
unfolds slower and you don't know towards the end. The
book also goes into a lot more detail about like

(29:49):
the creation of the FBI, which I thought was really interesting,
but I get that that didn't really serve the plot
of the movie. I think the book is just it's
hands down better because it's a lot more investigative rather
than storytelling. But I thought the movie was great. I
really loved the movie. But I'm glad that I read

(30:10):
the book first, and I think you could still read
the book after seeing the movie. I think things will
unfold differently and you get a fuller picture of the story.
But yeah, the book is told in three acts as well,
the first or I guess it's called like three books.
The book one is the story of all the murders.
Book two is creation of the FBI and the investigation unfolding,

(30:32):
and then book three is David gran talking about his
research and he actually, I think this is really cool.
And if you're not watching this on video, sorry and
this won't be interesting. But he has like an entire
section in the back of like this, many pages of
all of the research that he did to write this
book and a lot of research. I thought that was

(30:54):
really interesting. I thought that the casting was really great
in this movie. Oh, the casting was phenomenal. And the
interesting casting I found was all the country artists who
were in this movie. He had Stergil Simpson, Jason Isbel
who was a lot more prominent than I was expecting.
He was essentially throughout this entire film. I would say
a second Toier character. And you had Randy Hauser with

(31:17):
this small cameo in this movie. But just to be
able to say you're in a Scorsese movie, no matter
how big or small of a part you have, I
think is pretty cool. Jesse Plemmons was phenomenal. He is
one of those actors that I wouldn't have expected years
ago when he was on brand of night Lights to
explode like he has. But he is so freaking good.

(31:37):
I mean, he has a probably a great agent getting
him great role, but he is a great actor. He isn't,
at the core of it, great actor, but I feel
like he has so many big roles in like movies
that end up being OSCAR nominated movies, which this one,
without a doubt, will for sure go on to be.
But the same guy from Game Night is also in
Killers of the Flower Moon, also having very poignant lines.

(31:58):
Was one of my favorite roles that he he's done
is the coppin Game Night. How could that be profitable
for pre Dooley? Yes, I love him in that movie.
But I did think having the country artists cast in
this movie it was a nice touch because Scorsese and
his casting director always tried to have like that unique
casting of like why is this person in this movie?

(32:18):
But it's interesting? And then Jack White, Oh yeah, Jack White,
which I did. I had a theory I was like,
are any of them from Oklahoma? They are from four
different states. That theory was just gone. I think they
were just trying to find some off the wall casting,
and I think it works in most part. I will say,
like you can kind of tell how they're not really actors.

(32:39):
I felt it a little bit. I feel like I
didn't notice it that much. A little bit with Jason Isbel, No,
probably more so with Surgil Simpson. To be Jason Isbell's
character was also just supposed to be weird. He was
a weird guy, and I don't want to explain why
he's weird, but you'll watch it and you'll be like,
that's a very odd character. I would say with Surgel Simpson,
I was very aware in some of his scenes that

(33:01):
he was acting and not just being fully engulfed in
that role. But I would say this movie sucks you
in from the very beginning to the point that it
hit about the hour in fifteen mark, and it went
by so fast that I realized, like, okay, I'm not
going to be bored in this movie. I also drink
a lot of coffee, so I didn't want to doze
off in this movie because of the link. But it

(33:21):
does suck you in and about at that hour in
fifteen minute mark, I literally made a note that I
was giving this movie a five out of five because
it was just going and going and going. And the
cinematography in this movie is unmatched. I love the way
that they actually filmed it in Oklahoma, and you really
feel like you're there. I think that is a big

(33:42):
part of this movie. It just all really comes down
to how this movie was framed in the direction, but
also with things like the hair, makeup, and wardrobe, like
to take somebody like Leonardo DiCaprio and make him look
so different and really be able to elevate his character
because he's a great actor. But the movie had just
some unruly tension throughout the entire time. With every kill

(34:04):
that happens, it's just like, I won't even kills. With
every brutal murder, you just feel it. There's a few
scenes I will say that are a little graphic. The
whole thing is not graphic, but there are a few
of the murders for your Yeah, that's kind of Scorsese's
trademark of having just the really cut and dry murder
where it just comes out of nowhere. It just happens

(34:24):
and it's very matter of the fact, and it's just
pretty unsettling too. There's one in particular that I will
just say, so if you're a little like squeamish, just
like when there's a murder, maybe just like look away
for a second, close eyes that to say, I love
the movie and afterwards, after sitting in the theater for

(34:46):
almost three and a half hours, I felt differently than
that five out of five I was giving it earlier.
And I think it's because at the end of this movie,
I realized that Scorsese didn't do a whole lot different
than he's done in the past, which I think great
directors always reinvent themselves. Guy is eighty years old now,
he's not going to reinvent himself. And I think the
story that he had to tell here, and he even

(35:08):
did that thing at the very beginning of the movie.
He's like, I've been wanting to tell the story for
the whole for whatever amount of time. I'm glad you're
here in the theater. I thought he was gonna do
something a little bit different, and I thought the movie
was gonna have a little bit different of a tone.
But it almost felt like the same formula that he
did back in the day with Goodfellas, that same Rise
and Fall, focusing on a couple of actors that aren't

(35:32):
even members of the Osage tribe and telling their story
of really just another crime epic that he's told before.
I kind of wanted him to do something different. I
wanted more of the osage story, which you get and
you get in there the book. But I guess with
having to make an epic that's three and a half
hours long, he had to tell it in a way

(35:52):
and from a perspective that he could reach that run
time and also keep people engaged. Because I will say
one my one note about the book, the reason I
only gave it a four and a half instead of
a five, is that it's a very slow start, very slow,
like to the point where I was like, am I
gonna want to finish this book? And then once you
get towards the end of like part one on the
book and onto part two, it's like, Okay, I can't

(36:13):
put this down. But I will say I kind of
see why, like the creative direction went the way it
did in the movie, because you have to keep people engaged,
because if they're bored in the first thirty minutes, they're
gonna leave. We've been there before, We've bored in the
first thirty minutes of a movie where like it's not
getting any better. So from my five, I took it
down to a four point five, and then it went
down a little bit further because I did feel those
three and a half hours, even though it was entertaining,

(36:36):
and I think the fact that it was based on
a true story that kind of hurt it a little
bit for me, because if it was just a fictional story,
I would have loved it, probably would have given it
a five out of five. But I feel like he
changed the perspective a little bit and it took a
little bit away from the impactfulness, and he kind of
missed out on some other elements of the story that

(36:57):
I wish he would have drove home a little bit more.
But I will say too, you wouldn't have known that
there were elements of that story if I hadn't read
the book always that have changed your opinion. Because we
got in the car and I immediately it was like,
I think, so here's what changed, Here's what was different,
Here's what I didn't like. See. You wouldn't if you
saw this movie, you didn't read the book, you didn't
know anything. Would you have given it a five out
of five? No, because of the long run time. Okay,

(37:19):
I still wouldn't give it a five out of five.
Would have went to four point five. But after hearing
what you had to say about it, and we'll get
into in the spoiler version of this review, I think
I got to take it down to a four out
of five, and I also based it on his work.
I don't always love to do that, but if you're
thinking about Scorsese and putting it up against Goodfellas and
The Departed and Taxi Driver and all the movies he

(37:41):
has done that have really cemented him as one of
the greatest directors of all time, I wouldn't even put
it in the top five Scorsese films, so I couldn't
give it a five out of five when Goodfellas will
still be my favorite movie of his of all time.
Right below that is Wolf of Wall Street. So it
was close to getting there, but at three and a
half hours, just really hurt my butt at the end

(38:02):
of it. And I also think that hurts him in
the long run too, because it made about twenty three
million dollars opening weekend, which is decent, but I feel
like having that long run time is going to keep
a lot of people away from even watching it in
the first place. And even the fact that it's coming
out on Apple in probably forty five days or so,

(38:24):
I still think starting a movie that's three and a
half Hours is going to keep a lot of people
away from it too. But Oppenheimer's three hours, Yeah, and
that didn't feel the hurt at the box office. I
don't feel like I feel like there's a big jump
in something being three hours and three and a half. Mentally,
I heard myself about one hunder three point five. Yeah,
I still think it's a factor here. At the end

(38:46):
of the day, it's still a really good movie and
one I highly encourage you to see for yourself and
make your own judgment. It's not a bad movie by
any means. No, there's nothing wrong with it. I just
think when you look at all the aspects of it,
there's some things I would have liked to have been
done differently agreed, and we'll talk about that in the spoiler.
We'll do that because I have so much I want

(39:08):
to say, but I can't, so to recap. You give
it a four. I also give it a four. And
I think Leonardo DiCaprio will probably pick up a Best
Actor nomination. I don't think he'll win, even though he
was really good. I don't think de Niro deserves one
in this case. The only person I think deserves a nomination,
and deserves to win is Lily Gladstone. Give her the Oscar.

(39:29):
Give her the Oscar. I would also like to see
Jesse Plemons get nominated, just because his role and his
character was really good, and also that the fact that
he just keeps putting up really good movies and really
doing well with being kind of one of the quiet
elite members of Hollywood. I was gonna say, quiet power couple,
Jesse Plemons and Kirsten Dunst. That is a good one,

(39:50):
a very quiet power couple. But come back later this
week and we'll give you our full spoiler version and
talk about all the juicy details. But that is our
Killers of the flower Moon review. It's time to head
down to Movie Mikes trailer, Paul, this is one of
the spiciest movie trailers I've seen in a long time.

(40:11):
You have two of the most attractive people in Hollywood
right now, Sydney Sweeney and Glenn Powell, and you are
rated rom com called anyone but You. And the premise
of this movie is they go on one day, they
hit it off, and then they realize they hate each other,
but then decide to go on a destination wedding to Australia.

(40:31):
Together and convince everybody that they are a couple and
happily in love. So by the looks of this trailer
and the breakdown of the plot, it seems pretty cliche,
which rom comms tend to be. But really, you don't
go into a rom com wanting the most elaborate plot.
You don't need it to push the boundaries of cinema.

(40:54):
You go into a rom com for great chemistry. And
after watching this trailer, I realize they have impeccable chemistry together,
so much so that during the time they were making
this movie, there were a lot of you know, cheating
allegation rumors, which Glenn Powell is now no longer with
the girlfriend he had while making this movie. She afterwards

(41:18):
made a very cryptic Instagram post unfollowed him and Sidney Sweeney,
and Sidney Sweeney has been engaged its entire time and
is still engaged. But still, you put out a movie
like this, we get the first look of it at
the trailer, you're obviously going to have dating rumors, but
maybe they're just really good at their job. And after
seeing what has happened after watching this trailer, I think

(41:41):
they are just really good at their job. Because I
think separately they are really great actors, and you put
them together and they have a lot of chemistry. They
can't hold that back. That's what they're trying to do.
They're trying to sell tickets to this movie, and they
sell it with their chemistry. So before I get into
more thoughts about Anyone but You, which is coming out
this December, here's just a little bit of the trailer.
Let's just tell everyone together what it could be kind

(42:04):
of fun. There's no way we can convince anyone we
actually like each other. Trust me. We're at a wedding
a million miles away from home. Who knows what can
So they play this couple who were arch nemesis in
college and then years after graduation, they get together for
this wedding. They pretend to be a couple for their
own personal reasons, but through this pretending they end up

(42:27):
falling in love. And just by watching this trailer, just
by reading the plot, I can spoil this movie for you.
It's gonna have all those same tropes and cliches that
you can expect in a rom com like this. But
I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, because, like
I was saying, you go into a movie like this
wanting to see chemistry, and even though a movie is predictable,
it doesn't have to keep you from enjoying it. It

(42:48):
also comes to us from director Will Gluck, who also
directed rom coms and comedies like Easy A and Friends
with Benefits, So I think you have some backing there
having a good director. At the center of this trailer,
There's a dance sequence, there's a helicopter landing, there's a
lot of sustained eye contact between our two actors here,
and even have Sidney Sweeney punging Glenn Powell in the junk.

(43:09):
So I feel like the trailer is a little bit
misleaning because everything I read about this movie is very
much rom com, But for some reason, I get kind
of a mysterious thriller. Even just hearing the music there
in that clip, it seems like there's some kind of
interesting motive that each of their characters has. So I'm
curious to find the reasons for each of them for

(43:30):
maintaining and putting on this fake relationship. What are they
getting out of it? The movie is being compared to
a modern adaptation of William Shakespeare as much Ado about Nothing,
so in the movie, Glenn Powell's character is supposed to
be a jerk, so it makes for kind of an
odd pairing to have her with Sidney Sweeney's character. So yeah,
even the fact that it's adapted from William Shakespeare just

(43:50):
shows me that this formula has probably been done one
hundred times in film. We've seen it when two characters
seem like they are so wrong for each other or
they're putting on some kind of fake act, that they
end up falling for each other, and it will probably
leave us all with that warm feeling at the end
going out on a high note. So really, my only
concern after watching this trailer and seeing the poster for

(44:12):
it is that I hope they don't just rely on
the looks of both of our actors here to get
us to go or watch this movie, which just by
seeing that, seeing the spiciness of the trailer, I think
it is enough. But it has potential to be a
great rom com because of the level of both of
our stars here. But the spiciness alone I think will
sell tickets, because that is kind of what you have

(44:33):
to do to make people want to go see a
rom com. Right now, you either have to sell it
in the trailer like they do for this movie, or
you have to have two really big A list bankable
stars plastered all over the trailer and plastered on the
movie poster to get people interested in this. And rom
coms have had a tough run at the box office
because of that reason, and because of the fact that

(44:55):
Netflix has been pretty consistent with theirs, and when you
go pay to see something in the thea, you almost
want to see something a little bit more elaborate than
a rom com. And it feels so accessible to watch
a movie like this at home that oftentimes I feel
like people just wait for a movie like this, because really,
when I think of the last great rom com I've
seen in theaters, it has to be Ticket to Paradise

(45:16):
with Julia Roberts and George Clooney, And that is because
you realize while watching that movie how much charisma both
of those actors have and how much they suck you in,
and the reason that they have been selling tickets for
the amount of time that they have in bost of
their careers. And the other ones that come to mind
have been Netflix movies. Earlier this year, Love at First
Sight was a movie that Kelsey and I just kind
of randomly watched on Netflix and turned out to be

(45:38):
pretty good about these two people who just meet on
a flight randomly. They try to get each other's information,
and it's kind of this whole misconnection that plays out
The entire movie is them trying to reconnect and find
each other, which I thought was a pretty interesting premise. Again,
nothing completely novel here, but I thought that was really
well done, and the fact that it's so easily accessible
on Netflix makes a movie like that work. Before that

(46:00):
was last year We Look Both Ways, which is about
a girl who is about he graduate college, and then
the movie splits into two different realities of one her
getting pregnant and having a kid, and the other of
her going through with her dream to move out to
la and the two storylines play out right next to
each other the entire time to see the differences on
if she took one way or she took the other

(46:22):
way in life. So, going back to our movie here,
anyone but you, I think it's going to have to
have that kind of hook to get people interested and
want to go see a movie. The timing is also
interesting because this movie is coming out on December twenty second.
So I almost feel like it's kind of counter programming
here because you have some major movies that always come
out in December. This year we have Wonka, Aquaman, two, Ironclaw, Ferrari,

(46:44):
So it might be one of those movies for if
you're not interested in any of those films, you end
up going to watch this one around the holidays where
we're all trying to find things to do with our family.
So I think that is the factor it has going
for it, and the fact that you have two really
hot stars right now. So where would I put it
on an excitement level. I'm right in the middle on

(47:09):
this one. I'm a two point five out of five
because I could go either way of if I have
time to go see this one in theaters and I've
seen all the other December releases, I'll go check this
one out. But I would feel fine and comfortable and
think I don't really miss anything from not seeing this
movie on the big screen and just waiting for it
to stream at home. But eventually I will see this
movie and it will probably be pretty all right. But

(47:32):
that is coming from somebody who is just a recent
adapter of the rom com. So again, that movie is
called Anyone but You comes out on December twenty second
head that for is this week's edition of movie Line
is framer bar. Oh yeah, and that's gonna do it
for another episode here of the podcast. But before I go,
I gotta give my listener shout out of the week
and I gotta tell you the secret emoji because we

(47:54):
had to interview this week. So first our listener shout
out of the week is to f Austin on YouTube
who commented on the Dumb Money trailer from last week. Again,
if you don't follow me on YouTube, you can check
out full movie reviews there, so if you've listened to it,
or maybe you've missed the review in the past, you
can see it and hear it there. And your comment
was in response to me trying to remember whether it

(48:16):
was millions or billions that they were set to win
in Dumb Money, and you wrote billions is correct. The
short sellers of GameStop stock, who were betting on the
complete collapse of the company lost many billions. Literally basically
a road group of investors got the tables turned on them.
So thank you F. Austin for that clarification, which I understand.
Wall Street maybe just a little bit more in the

(48:39):
idea of short selling and the idea of the squeeze.
After watching Dumb Money, that Kelsey and I went back
and watched The Big Short So now I am ready
to take on Wall Street everybody. So thank you for
that comment. Now let's get to the secret emoji, which
I do every time I have an interview on the podcast,
I give you the secret emoji, so you can go
comment on Instagram or on TikTok and you can find
all those links in the episode notes of this podcast.

(49:00):
Comment with the Beatle emoji. This week, because we talked
to the Blue Beetle director, I'll go through all those
comments to pick next week's listeners shout out, so the
Beatle emoji hit it up in the comments. Thank you
for listening. I hope you have a great rest of
your week, and until next time, go out and watch
good movies and I will talk to you later.
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